Would you use this super rig over any substrate one rig for all lake beds size fish etc sounds a bit on dimensional a 14 inch rig in a pva set up sounds a bit long to me and I've been caring 50 years. It may be you put loads more time in than your average carper ie married kids mortgage etc
I have had success over last couple of years with 16 to 18" hook lengths, big baits, long hairs, on a running lead set up. Use the lightest led I can get away with... usually 1oz. Get great hookholds and fish ofter don't bolt off at high speed, which is good for fishing near weed. Another great video... thanks.
Thanks for that Simon. Really interesting video. I've always fished with 6 to 8inch rigs but I'm going to try longer rigs now as I fish in a lake with mainly 20 & 30lb fish
Some good general guidelines for leadclips and inlines, but helicopters essentialy remove the need for adjusting length for lead pluggage. For anyone struggling with the carp overthinking plague id suggest a heli with semi stiff rig at Simons "medium" rig length. Adjust the top bead depending on how soft the bottom is or silt depth and this will do the job for most UK fish. Have a play from there.
Good tip that mate and I did touch upon helicopter set ups in the video but I feel its a whole other subject for another video as a helicopter isn't really a fix all situations lead set up. On hard spots at short to medium range with no weed present an inline offers much better hooking potential but yes on softer lake bed a helicopter is king 👌
The heli as I described will still present over hard spots with bead tucked right now. Is it optimal, probably not, I just wanted to give someone the option for something that'll generally work anywhere and take away too much thinking. I'm currently trying to work out fishing leadclips in silt which is a challenge in itself
Hi Simon, just revisiting this video as I’m tying up rigs specifically for margin fishing. Do you have a go to starting length for this, I’ll be using a mesh stick and bottom bait. The bait around it will be fairly tight….. my initia thoughts are to fish short soft hooklinks but the confusion now is, the bottom is soft (maybe not as soft in edge) but fish generally 30-50lb any guidance v welcome
Hi mate, I would start around 7 inches and yes a supple braid would be good. I would normally go shorter for margin situations as the fish tend to feed slowly without moving too much but you've got a softer bottom and large average size of fish so 7 inches is about right. The lead shouldn't sink in too much as you're only lowering it in the edge rather than casting but it's worth checking it's sitting right if the water is clear enough to see the bottom 👍
Been a carp angler for over 40 years I've seen everything but the best rig ever designed is the slip D rig invented by Martin Clark. I found 12-15 inches the best. I haven't used another rig since trying it and never will. I've rinsed every lake I've used it on
It's a good rig except the fact the D can spin round and allow the bait to tangle with the hook point. This is only really a problem if small fish are present and messing with your bait. It happened to me a couple of times which is why I much prefer a coated D so it is more rigid and zero chance of tangles 👍
Great video Simon, but I've found that since I've shortened my rig on mainly a helicopter set up to 4 to 5 inches with a longer hair my catch rate has gone up , thats wgats working for me on my cyndicate at the mo
Kind of highlights the sub message of this video, in that you have to find what works for yourself and the venue. I'd never consider long hairs with short rigs for example but clearly you've cracked something. Well done
Alot don't realise carp have have their mouths at different positions on their head some strains the mouth is more in a barbel position ,carp anglers don't realise and adapt their rigs to the strain of carp in the lake .
That's a very good point mate it's definitely worth looking at pictures of the fish you're targeting to assess how they will feed and adjust rigs accordingly 👌
I tried too much to find a video on rig lengths...never find it....finally found this video....thank you very much sir
Glad it helped you mate 😊
For years I've never gone above 6". This has certainly given me food for thought, thanks 👍👍
Hope it helps you catch a few extra fish mate I'm sure it will 😉
Would you use this super rig over any substrate one rig for all lake beds size fish etc sounds a bit on dimensional a 14 inch rig in a pva set up sounds a bit long to me and I've been caring 50 years.
It may be you put loads more time in than your average carper ie married kids mortgage etc
I have had success over last couple of years with 16 to 18" hook lengths, big baits, long hairs, on a running lead set up. Use the lightest led I can get away with... usually 1oz. Get great hookholds and fish ofter don't bolt off at high speed, which is good for fishing near weed. Another great video... thanks.
Certainly food for thought there mate thanks 🙌
Your descriptions of bites sounds like just the trouble I'm having, I'm gonna lengthen my rigs to see if that helps. 👍✌️
Let me know how it's goes mate 😊
@@SimonDewCarpFishing will do 👍✌️
@@tobytaylor2154how it went down? Just wondering
Thanks for that Simon. Really interesting video. I've always fished with 6 to 8inch rigs but I'm going to try longer rigs now as I fish in a lake with mainly 20 & 30lb fish
Hope it works for you mate! 😉
Some good general guidelines for leadclips and inlines, but helicopters essentialy remove the need for adjusting length for lead pluggage. For anyone struggling with the carp overthinking plague id suggest a heli with semi stiff rig at Simons "medium" rig length. Adjust the top bead depending on how soft the bottom is or silt depth and this will do the job for most UK fish. Have a play from there.
Good tip that mate and I did touch upon helicopter set ups in the video but I feel its a whole other subject for another video as a helicopter isn't really a fix all situations lead set up. On hard spots at short to medium range with no weed present an inline offers much better hooking potential but yes on softer lake bed a helicopter is king 👌
The heli as I described will still present over hard spots with bead tucked right now. Is it optimal, probably not, I just wanted to give someone the option for something that'll generally work anywhere and take away too much thinking. I'm currently trying to work out fishing leadclips in silt which is a challenge in itself
Couldn’t tell u the last time I’ve had a hook pull, keep it simple and my biggest two tips are sharp hooks and heavy bait
Great advice there thanks 😊
Very informative Simon, nice one mate 👍🏻🎣
Cheers mate more to come 😉
Eye opener for me. Thanks Simon for this video. 👍
My pleasure!
Very helpful,once again.😊👍🏻
Glad it helps mate 😊
Good info i fish in silt and i use 8 inch to 10 inch hook lengths ,, another well explained video thank you .
Thanks for your comment mate more coming soon 👌
Thanks, Si. A very good over view👌👌
Welcome mate hope it helps you catch a few extra fish 😉
Thanks Bro, very interesting video. You have given me a lot to think about and I have learnt a lot from this video. Thank you my friend 👍
Glad it was helpful mate 👍
Brilliant video , very informative 😊🎣
Thanks mate really appreciate it and I hope it helps you catch a few extra fish 😉
Thank you, great video
Glad you liked it!
Thanks your information very wise
You're welcome thanks for watching 😊
interestin video Simon🐟🎣
Glad you enjoyed it 😊
Hi simon great video mate....i was just wondering what size hooks do u usually use on them longer rigs?
Hi Glenn I generally use a size 5 for most of my fishing these days 👌
Hi Simon, just revisiting this video as I’m tying up rigs specifically for margin fishing. Do you have a go to starting length for this, I’ll be using a mesh stick and bottom bait. The bait around it will be fairly tight….. my initia thoughts are to fish short soft hooklinks but the confusion now is, the bottom is soft (maybe not as soft in edge) but fish generally 30-50lb any guidance v welcome
Hi mate, I would start around 7 inches and yes a supple braid would be good. I would normally go shorter for margin situations as the fish tend to feed slowly without moving too much but you've got a softer bottom and large average size of fish so 7 inches is about right. The lead shouldn't sink in too much as you're only lowering it in the edge rather than casting but it's worth checking it's sitting right if the water is clear enough to see the bottom 👍
Been a carp angler for over 40 years I've seen everything but the best rig ever designed is the slip D rig invented by Martin Clark. I found 12-15 inches the best. I haven't used another rig since trying it and never will. I've rinsed every lake I've used it on
It's a good rig except the fact the D can spin round and allow the bait to tangle with the hook point. This is only really a problem if small fish are present and messing with your bait. It happened to me a couple of times which is why I much prefer a coated D so it is more rigid and zero chance of tangles 👍
@SimonDewCarpFishing I use a kicker and dissolving foam never once happened to me also I always use a curve shank hook
@@CarpNowandThen: Wow…..I guess you must be famous having rinsed all them lakes. Can you get a hat to fit that head of yours.😂😂😂
@slobguts famous enough to get mentioned in a couple of books lol.
@@CarpNowandThenthink you just got your self hooked there mate lol
Great video Simon, but I've found that since I've shortened my rig on mainly a helicopter set up to 4 to 5 inches with a longer hair my catch rate has gone up , thats wgats working for me on my cyndicate at the mo
Kind of highlights the sub message of this video, in that you have to find what works for yourself and the venue. I'd never consider long hairs with short rigs for example but clearly you've cracked something. Well done
Glad you've found what works for you and that is key! It's always down to adapting to the venue and spots/baiting situation you fish 👌
Alot don't realise carp have have their mouths at different positions on their head some strains the mouth is more in a barbel position ,carp anglers don't realise and adapt their rigs to the strain of carp in the lake .
That's a very good point mate it's definitely worth looking at pictures of the fish you're targeting to assess how they will feed and adjust rigs accordingly 👌
Learn as you go, be a bit different, Ive blitzed places with 2 ft rigs and unusual bait arrangements
Absolutely agree mate trying something different can make it seem easy at times 😉