Sorry, perpetual student. There is NO “vs.” between these two firearms. It’s like comparing a ‘59 Les Paul to a ‘24 Epiphone. You can play them, if you’re good, make them both sound good. If you’re a noob, the ‘59 will make you want to play even more and even get better. A Glock is mass produced. The Stacatto, er uh, the STI, is literally hand crafted. No, I don’t own one but a rich friend has two! (lucky me!😁) They WILL make you a better shooter… even when you pick up your own Glock.
@@PirateDave01 more like a BMW to a toyota. One will run great but is a picky and needs to be babied. The glock is a toyota put it away wet and run it again tomorrow.
@@PirateDave01 Define better. Which I think is Bob's point. They both have advantages and disadvantages. I've shot everything, well not every single thing, but a shitton of different pistols and always end up back at glock... I don't want to be a glock guy, but the benefits of the glock just outway the benefits of the Staccato... for me. The lower bore axis coupled with the grip angle that puts your hands in a stronger straighter line just win... for me... That said, if you don't have a rock solid trigger control or you struggle with hand strength you will shoot more accurately with a Staccato... notice I didn't say "better". "Better", to me, is a balance of different categories, including accuracy, splits/recoil control, weight, reliability. So for me, Glock offers the best balance of those categories. I do like the guitar analogy a lot, but I'd argue it's like comparing a strat with an LP than a 59 vs an Epi.
@@PirateDave01 No they won't. At least not relative to things that matter like self defense or USPSA. As a matter of fact, for the reasons Vogel mentioned, I prefer Glocks as well. I originally shot heavy metal framed pistols with great triggers, but I prefer the gunhandling characteristics of a Glock, even if the trigger is a bit worse, it makes no difference for the scoring needed for USPSA, or for hitting vitals.
I have been to enough matches to know there is a point to where it doesn’t really matter about what gun is in your hand, if you can skin that smoke wagon and smoke it, you will smoke it. . I’m not talking a hi point or something silly. Just like what is presented here. It’s about the ability of the shooter. Also you have no idea how many times I have practiced to re create your Mozambique video from years ago. It’s ridiculously fast now. Glad I found your channel.
I prefer my SV!! Brandon and company run a great factory in Texas. I had the privilege of being in the factory and seeing those custom guns being CNC'd.
exactly!... I think way too many people get wrapped up in how a pistol feels in their hand when not shooting it when they should be focusing on how it feels in your hand the moment after the shot breaks.
@@hawkgeoff Agreed. Jerry Miculek has stated himself multiple times that too many people get wrapped around how a gun "feels", and that if it "feels right" it's usually wrong.
I find it important to be good at both. I equate it to being a great golfer. A great golfer will work on technique with all of their clubs in order to master technique with a specific club. In.motor learning, this is called cross education.
Yup I have found after shooting and carrying pretty much everything.. that weight and size don’t even matter that much.. it’s more the bore axis that makes a gun shoot flat. For example shoot a Glock 20 10mm and then a 10mm 1911.. it’ll piss you off how much better the Glock handles in shooting it quicker.
On the topic... after training with you and a few seasons on competition I'm going back to canik/glock from my 2011 .... they shoot nicer...beautiful actually but the balance with reliability is what you can't sacrifice in major match. Well put Boss 👏
If you want a gun that’s uber reliable but affordable, Glock all day. If you want quality at a premium price, Staccato’s your answer. Apples and oranges IMHO.
Paying this price tag for me and not being a competition shooter I just can’t justify it. I own a Beretta and 2 glocks. I completely agree on trigger control. I’m sort of an @sshole but there’s so many different things I can spend this amount on in the gun world.
@@user-te3qq1rb7u For starters, all Glock 34s that aren't Gen5's come from the factory with that "window cut" on the Glock. Bob Prefers the Gen3s for a couple of reasons, they are not ported, it's just a cut. It's to reduce weight, so that it weighs basically what a G17 does. The main reason to have a G34 isn't for "all that weight upfront", it's for the sight radius if you prefer irons or compete in iron sighted divisions. Bob Vogel competes in USPSA Limited and Production divisions, and doesn't use ported barrels.
@@user-te3qq1rb7u Because I can't respond to two people at the same time, so I responded to the last message. I was answering his question, and also telling you how you're wrong on the porting.
Only if you're a boomer. I'm a millennial who grew up with Glocks, so I feel like I have to train around the grip angle of the "normal" angled pistols. What does this prove? That it's all about familiarization. Anyone can shoot a Glock or vice versa.
Im going to say something to piss you all off. Most men unless they do hard work with their hands, that requires strength and dexterity. Think playing the piano. Don't like shooting striker fired pistols because they have weak and untrained hands and fingers. When the adrenaline flows, you want a little higher pound trigger pull. For everyone's safety. Now if you train daily and you have ice for blood, then you can shoot anything and be accurate and safe. Youre the exception. Thats why i prefer striker fired, double/single action, or a 5 lb single action. I also like safeties. Which is why I'll never own a glock again. No i didn't have a negligent discharge. I just been around a lotta unsafe people and i feel safer when they have a manual safety on their pistol. They shoot themselves, that's on them. Plus if you have a good safety you can ride it (1911) and if you're trying to make as light and easy to pull as a 1911, well you're being safe still. Mechanical things fail. I like reduncy in safety. Have a good day y'all
You completely invalidated your argument twice in your paragraph. A Glock has better internal mechanical safeties than a 1911. Also on one hand you pretend to be a manly man who has tough hands which is why a Glocks 5lb trigger pull is "too light" for you, but then in that same breath proceed to say that 1911s have nicer triggers (and they do, they're lighter than Glock triggers) so does that mean you got extea feminine hands.
@@paddypibblet846 you misread what I wrote. I didn't say Glock has too lite a trigger pull. I said under 5lbs when adrenaline and life threatening danger happens is too light. Especially in civilian self defense. I also didn't rag on the internal trigger safety of a Glock. But many people shoot themselves, shoot others ( think children and dumb people) when they pick up a loaded weapon, they shoot others and even themselves. And cops on duty that lose their guns momentarily, the safety gives them time to get the gun back and save their lives. This has all been well documented. You shouldn't be so angry about my concerns over people getting shot unnecessarily. Including my own humbleness in acknowledging that even the best trained and conscientious people can have accidents and be distracted etc. A good safety is an easily mastered skill. If you can't master that under pressure, how are you going to master trigger control when lives are on the line. Safety first. Have a good day.
@@markreynolds6715 I agree with you that a good safety can be mastered easily, however, I haven't found a single mass-produced gun in the market with a good safety. I am poor, so nicely built 2011s are out of my price range. I've shot USPs, Berettas, P30s, P320s, CZs, and plenty of firearms with manual safeties, and none of them felt good. The exception was a Wilson Combat double stack 1911 a buddy lent me, where the safety felt JUST right. So, until I can move out of commiefornia, and save up for a boutique pistol, it's going to continue to be Glocks for me, and millions of people are in a similar situation to mine. You will just have to be careful, holster safely, and be even less lax with one's gun safety. I too felt uneasy carrying Glocks at first, since I came from pistols with safeties, but a good holster and professionalism (not messing around with the pistol when you don't have to) have netted me comfort with a striker fired with no safety. That, and I don't lighten the trigger pull on my AIWB CCW Glocks, they remain stock.
@@UrbanDefenseSystems I haven't tried a Wilson, but I've heard that about their safeties before being excellent. Too bad everyone doesn't try to outdo them. Yeah they're out of my budget too. But with how they delete the grip safety, I think they're the best looking 1911/2011 on the market.
I left the video as soon as he stated the obvious… “the avg person is gonna shoot a stacato better than a glock” Glock are almost at the bottom of the barrel now a days maybe not 10 years ago but there are so many guns now days better then glocks!!
Because the triggers on the glock sucks and the handle ergonomics are wrong the Tupperware of hand guns. Buy a hipoint and be done with it. The sti or 1911 is a superior weapon all day long.
Carried Glocks for many years always disliked them. New position, new duty weapon, Staccato P DPO. Zero comparison whatsoever. The Staccato is far more accurate, much, much faster shooting, better ergo and incredibly reliable. There is a reason so many tactical units and agencies have switched to the Staccato one of which is every round sent must be accounted for. Glocks are $500 Toyota’s you get what you pay for and most rationalize running one because it’s what they can afford and that’s ok. I also would point out that for just a little more than the Glock the FN 509T is also superior and price wise I’d argue best bang for the buck.
As someone who used to shoot both, I settled on the Glock. The heavy framed metal pistols just don't give you enough of an advantage in shootability to forego the ease of maintenance/cleaning/spare parts/durability that a Glock affords. Also, what do you mean by "most tactical units", do you mean LEO's and small city SWAT who can't shoot at a C class level, so they have to try to make up for it with a heavier, NOT drop safe pistol, with a 2lb trigger? Staccatos were all the rage a few years ago, and they're starting to fall out of favor with actual shooters. As they are seeing just how finnicky they are. Note, I said ACTUAL shooters. People who put thousands upon thousands of rounds through them on a monthly basis. However, if you can get one running fine, by either sending it over and over to a gunsmith, or learning how to work on it yourself, you'll have a fine competition pistol that's for sure.
@ Having put thousands of rounds through the Staccato P DPO in many challenging environments my personal experience is zero issues. Now if you are talking Staccato race guns or any paper shooter race gun that’s a different issue and a far different use and purpose than what I’m talking about. The Staccato P is not a race gun but a purpose built duty weapon. The ”shooters” you’re talking about put holes in paper that never, ever, return fire that’s it, that’s all, ever. Those in service are not engaging paper. As for “LEO’S and small city SWAT” I can tell you definitively the USMS SOG is not the average “LEO or small city SWAT who can’t shoot at a class C level” and the Staccato P is the standard issue.
@@rons4625 Sorry bro, you won't convince people with circumstantial evidence. Also, Staccatto doesn't make race guns anymore, but they originally did, and all they did, was rebrand and remarket their crappy race guns people didn't want to buy anymore to tactical larpers. Your staccato wont make you a better shooter, that's a fact.
Pure wisdom. Protect this dude at all cost, he is an athlete, no gimmicks just pure technic and performance.
Please save me money, please save me money.
Sorry, perpetual student. There is NO “vs.” between these two firearms.
It’s like comparing a ‘59 Les Paul to a ‘24 Epiphone.
You can play them, if you’re good, make them both sound good.
If you’re a noob, the ‘59 will make you want to play even more and even get better.
A Glock is mass produced.
The Stacatto, er uh, the STI, is literally hand crafted.
No, I don’t own one but a rich friend has two! (lucky me!😁)
They WILL make you a better shooter… even when you pick up your own Glock.
@@PirateDave01 more like a BMW to a toyota. One will run great but is a picky and needs to be babied. The glock is a toyota put it away wet and run it again tomorrow.
@@PirateDave01 Define better. Which I think is Bob's point. They both have advantages and disadvantages. I've shot everything, well not every single thing, but a shitton of different pistols and always end up back at glock... I don't want to be a glock guy, but the benefits of the glock just outway the benefits of the Staccato... for me. The lower bore axis coupled with the grip angle that puts your hands in a stronger straighter line just win... for me... That said, if you don't have a rock solid trigger control or you struggle with hand strength you will shoot more accurately with a Staccato... notice I didn't say "better". "Better", to me, is a balance of different categories, including accuracy, splits/recoil control, weight, reliability. So for me, Glock offers the best balance of those categories. I do like the guitar analogy a lot, but I'd argue it's like comparing a strat with an LP than a 59 vs an Epi.
@@PirateDave01 No they won't. At least not relative to things that matter like self defense or USPSA. As a matter of fact, for the reasons Vogel mentioned, I prefer Glocks as well. I originally shot heavy metal framed pistols with great triggers, but I prefer the gunhandling characteristics of a Glock, even if the trigger is a bit worse, it makes no difference for the scoring needed for USPSA, or for hitting vitals.
I have been to enough matches to know there is a point to where it doesn’t really matter about what gun is in your hand, if you can skin that smoke wagon and smoke it, you will smoke it. . I’m not talking a hi point or something silly. Just like what is presented here. It’s about the ability of the shooter. Also you have no idea how many times I have practiced to re create your Mozambique video from years ago. It’s ridiculously fast now. Glad I found your channel.
I prefer my SV!! Brandon and company run a great factory in Texas.
I had the privilege of being in the factory and seeing those custom guns being CNC'd.
Glock always be Benchmark.
Thank you for sharing your insight.
Getting jealous of Ben’s videos, haha
Love the content !
Worth a lot dude right on i feel same way .
We love you man!
Good call, Glocks aren’t the most comfortable off the bat but once you get used to them they’re great
exactly!... I think way too many people get wrapped up in how a pistol feels in their hand when not shooting it when they should be focusing on how it feels in your hand the moment after the shot breaks.
@@hawkgeoff Agreed. Jerry Miculek has stated himself multiple times that too many people get wrapped around how a gun "feels", and that if it "feels right" it's usually wrong.
Great stuff thanks
When this guy speaks and says something, I’m gonna listen,
Thanks for this!
It saddens me that Miami Tier one was cancelled two years in a row. I was looking forward to your teachings.
I find it important to be good at both. I equate it to being a great golfer. A great golfer will work on technique with all of their clubs in order to master technique with a specific club. In.motor learning, this is called cross education.
Totally agree
How so though? Let's say you only shoot and carry Glocks, why would one NEED to be good with a $3,500 to $5,000 dollar gun they're not interested in?
People like what they like and that’s a good thing.
I dig it!
You the champ 🏆 💪 🙌
PREACH IT BROTHER!
Yup I have found after shooting and carrying pretty much everything.. that weight and size don’t even matter that much.. it’s more the bore axis that makes a gun shoot flat. For example shoot a Glock 20 10mm and then a 10mm 1911.. it’ll piss you off how much better the Glock handles in shooting it quicker.
I’m trying to be trained my Bob! Let’s make a video 🫡
Good vídeo My friend
I just don’t see the whole craze for the Staccoto. I put some money together to go buy one and ended up walking out with something totally different.
On the topic... after training with you and a few seasons on competition I'm going back to canik/glock from my 2011 .... they shoot nicer...beautiful actually but the balance with reliability is what you can't sacrifice in major match. Well put Boss 👏
Whether you prepare truck or race car? both have different purpose.
Duuuuuddde!!!! Great Tshirt❤
Can you throw the cz platform into this comparison? Shadow2 vs staccato vs 1911. Cheers yo
I love my Glocks, If you can’t shoot the Glock you probably can’t shoot
Stop the search for a better tool and be a better craftsman
If you want a gun that’s uber reliable but affordable, Glock all day.
If you want quality at a premium price, Staccato’s your answer.
Apples and oranges IMHO.
Paying this price tag for me and not being a competition shooter I just can’t justify it. I own a Beretta and 2 glocks. I completely agree on trigger control. I’m sort of an @sshole but there’s so many different things I can spend this amount on in the gun world.
Good points.
Why the window cutout on the glock? I thought the benefit of the G34 was all that weight up front?
Prob a ported barrel. Advantage of the 34 is long sight radius if shooting irons in production, otherwise there’s really no point over a 17/ 47.
@@user-te3qq1rb7u For starters, all Glock 34s that aren't Gen5's come from the factory with that "window cut" on the Glock. Bob Prefers the Gen3s for a couple of reasons, they are not ported, it's just a cut. It's to reduce weight, so that it weighs basically what a G17 does. The main reason to have a G34 isn't for "all that weight upfront", it's for the sight radius if you prefer irons or compete in iron sighted divisions. Bob Vogel competes in USPSA Limited and Production divisions, and doesn't use ported barrels.
@@UrbanDefenseSystems I’m not sure why you’re responding to me. Besides the porting you literally repeated what I just said lol.
@@user-te3qq1rb7u Because I can't respond to two people at the same time, so I responded to the last message. I was answering his question, and also telling you how you're wrong on the porting.
Rolex vs Seiko. Isn't fair!
I prefer Jericho 941
grip angle tho......grip angle. You have to train around it.
Only if you're a boomer. I'm a millennial who grew up with Glocks, so I feel like I have to train around the grip angle of the "normal" angled pistols. What does this prove? That it's all about familiarization. Anyone can shoot a Glock or vice versa.
I think trigger is secondary to weight.
Hyundai vs Porsche. Two different products for two different people.
Yeah my little Accent has 270,000 on it still runs great, don't worry about the odd chip or ding.
What I actually took away from this. You are using a dot now?!?! Hahaha
Im going to say something to piss you all off. Most men unless they do hard work with their hands, that requires strength and dexterity. Think playing the piano. Don't like shooting striker fired pistols because they have weak and untrained hands and fingers. When the adrenaline flows, you want a little higher pound trigger pull. For everyone's safety. Now if you train daily and you have ice for blood, then you can shoot anything and be accurate and safe. Youre the exception. Thats why i prefer striker fired, double/single action, or a 5 lb single action. I also like safeties. Which is why I'll never own a glock again. No i didn't have a negligent discharge. I just been around a lotta unsafe people and i feel safer when they have a manual safety on their pistol. They shoot themselves, that's on them. Plus if you have a good safety you can ride it (1911) and if you're trying to make as light and easy to pull as a 1911, well you're being safe still. Mechanical things fail. I like reduncy in safety. Have a good day y'all
You completely invalidated your argument twice in your paragraph. A Glock has better internal mechanical safeties than a 1911. Also on one hand you pretend to be a manly man who has tough hands which is why a Glocks 5lb trigger pull is "too light" for you, but then in that same breath proceed to say that 1911s have nicer triggers (and they do, they're lighter than Glock triggers) so does that mean you got extea feminine hands.
@@paddypibblet846 you misread what I wrote. I didn't say Glock has too lite a trigger pull. I said under 5lbs when adrenaline and life threatening danger happens is too light. Especially in civilian self defense. I also didn't rag on the internal trigger safety of a Glock. But many people shoot themselves, shoot others ( think children and dumb people) when they pick up a loaded weapon, they shoot others and even themselves. And cops on duty that lose their guns momentarily, the safety gives them time to get the gun back and save their lives. This has all been well documented.
You shouldn't be so angry about my concerns over people getting shot unnecessarily. Including my own humbleness in acknowledging that even the best trained and conscientious people can have accidents and be distracted etc. A good safety is an easily mastered skill. If you can't master that under pressure, how are you going to master trigger control when lives are on the line. Safety first. Have a good day.
That was a nice fuddlore tale. Thank you for sharing.
@@markreynolds6715 I agree with you that a good safety can be mastered easily, however, I haven't found a single mass-produced gun in the market with a good safety. I am poor, so nicely built 2011s are out of my price range. I've shot USPs, Berettas, P30s, P320s, CZs, and plenty of firearms with manual safeties, and none of them felt good. The exception was a Wilson Combat double stack 1911 a buddy lent me, where the safety felt JUST right. So, until I can move out of commiefornia, and save up for a boutique pistol, it's going to continue to be Glocks for me, and millions of people are in a similar situation to mine. You will just have to be careful, holster safely, and be even less lax with one's gun safety. I too felt uneasy carrying Glocks at first, since I came from pistols with safeties, but a good holster and professionalism (not messing around with the pistol when you don't have to) have netted me comfort with a striker fired with no safety. That, and I don't lighten the trigger pull on my AIWB CCW Glocks, they remain stock.
@@UrbanDefenseSystems
I haven't tried a Wilson, but I've heard that about their safeties before being excellent. Too bad everyone doesn't try to outdo them. Yeah they're out of my budget too. But with how they delete the grip safety, I think they're the best looking 1911/2011 on the market.
Came here for answers, left here with another Glock!
I would bet a happy meal that STI is a prize table gun he won. I’m guessing 2006-2009?
Glad there is a current video on this topic. However, I noticed a red dot on your Glock. Did your opinion change on red dot vs irons?
Regardless of his thoughts, his job requires him to understand and teach red dots.
Prob just the gun he grabbed. He has had Glocks with dots for a long time he just doesn’t shoot them as much
Stoeger says the same. Glock is just too hard to dethrone. Keep trying gun industry…
Glocks have their place ... A cheap used 250$ gun, the other is for clowns with money to burn.
Having money to burn makes you a clown? Are you sure it's not the other way around?
@@paddypibblet846He’s mad that he’s poor
I left the video as soon as he stated the obvious… “the avg person is gonna shoot a stacato better than a glock”
Glock are almost at the bottom of the barrel now a days maybe not 10 years ago but there are so many guns now days better then glocks!!
I came here to see some Glock haters in the comments but to my surprise there aren’t any.
I'm your man. They are outdated relics.
Why? There is no comparison..
who has truly asked you about this comparison?
Because the triggers on the glock sucks and the handle ergonomics are wrong the Tupperware of hand guns. Buy a hipoint and be done with it. The sti or 1911 is a superior weapon all day long.
Waaaaaa
Buying a Staccato won't make you Rob Vogel.
That's not what the sales rep told me.
😢
Carried Glocks for many years always disliked them. New position, new duty weapon, Staccato P DPO. Zero comparison whatsoever. The Staccato is far more accurate, much, much faster shooting, better ergo and incredibly reliable. There is a reason so many tactical units and agencies have switched to the Staccato one of which is every round sent must be accounted for. Glocks are $500 Toyota’s you get what you pay for and most rationalize running one because it’s what they can afford and that’s ok. I also would point out that for just a little more than the Glock the FN 509T is also superior and price wise I’d argue best bang for the buck.
As someone who used to shoot both, I settled on the Glock. The heavy framed metal pistols just don't give you enough of an advantage in shootability to forego the ease of maintenance/cleaning/spare parts/durability that a Glock affords. Also, what do you mean by "most tactical units", do you mean LEO's and small city SWAT who can't shoot at a C class level, so they have to try to make up for it with a heavier, NOT drop safe pistol, with a 2lb trigger? Staccatos were all the rage a few years ago, and they're starting to fall out of favor with actual shooters. As they are seeing just how finnicky they are. Note, I said ACTUAL shooters. People who put thousands upon thousands of rounds through them on a monthly basis. However, if you can get one running fine, by either sending it over and over to a gunsmith, or learning how to work on it yourself, you'll have a fine competition pistol that's for sure.
@ Having put thousands of rounds through the Staccato P DPO in many challenging environments my personal experience is zero issues. Now if you are talking Staccato race guns or any paper shooter race gun that’s a different issue and a far different use and purpose than what I’m talking about. The Staccato P is not a race gun but a purpose built duty weapon. The ”shooters” you’re talking about put holes in paper that never, ever, return fire that’s it, that’s all, ever. Those in service are not engaging paper. As for “LEO’S and small city SWAT” I can tell you definitively the USMS SOG is not the average “LEO or small city SWAT who can’t shoot at a class C level” and the Staccato P is the standard issue.
@@rons4625 Sorry bro, you won't convince people with circumstantial evidence. Also, Staccatto doesn't make race guns anymore, but they originally did, and all they did, was rebrand and remarket their crappy race guns people didn't want to buy anymore to tactical larpers. Your staccato wont make you a better shooter, that's a fact.