Is the stone creature not just referring to Jon Connington? His sigil is a griffin, and he has greyscale which turns flesh into stone. Thus, he is a stoney flying creature. Spewing shadowfire could simply mean supporting the blackfyres, which JonCon does, unknowingly.
I always thought the fire foreshadowed him setting kingslanding ablaze in an event similar to Daenerys snapping in season 8. It would make sense for Jon Connington, who is losing his mind due to his illness, and also has an associated trauma from the Battle of the Bells and it has been suggested that he could simply have burned down Stoney Sept. Still believe this is going to happen, but the symbolism of shadowfire = blackfyre fits even better.
It's not a bad theory, but the pantomime dragon already seems to represent fAegon and his faction. JonCon is part of this farce (even though he doesn't know), so why would the Blackfyres appear twice in the same vision (the slayer of lies), if it is the same lie? These are supposed to show three different lies Dany will expose
My original thought was that the beast was referring to Euron, since the smoking tower reminded me of Melisandre’s vision where she said that hardest blow would land at a tower by the sea. You’ve convinced me that it was Jon though since my previous thoughts didn’t line up too well. Awesome video!
Jon is who I now think it is. But he is just one of many possibilities I presented in the video. I would encourage everyone to keep an open mind because this is a difficult mystery to attempt to solve and I'm not 100% positive its Jon. Part of me wonders if Martin gave us enough clues to figure out what the stone beast is...
@@KevinPendragonIt could be we don't know have the clues yet as we couldn't have put together Aeron Damphair was the guy on the prow of the ship before the forsaken. I think all of the things seen are threats to dany in some way as the cloth dragon is likely Aegon and Stannis is also someone who claims the throne is his. Damphair being sacrificed represents Euron etc.
Griffins do not breathe fire, but dying and desperate JonCon, regretting that he wasn't more Tywin-like, can be the one triggered by bells ringing and set King's Landing ablaze. The bells would be his trigger, after the Battle of the Bells and he really wants to put young Griff on the throne. And if he doesn't directly contribute to the fire, he could start an epidemic in KL that needs to be eradicated with a big fire.
Holdin out for the skagos theory lets goooo! I can see cannibalism being similar to blood magic in prolonging dragons’ lifespans who are after all creatures of fire and blood. Love the idea of Cannibal being this dormant creature in the Skagos mines responsible for the fires, whom they bring sacrifices to satiate, hence the rumors. And as for what could rouse him- dragonbinder. Probably not true but I want it to be lol, and it would bring a lot of intrigue to Rickon’s otherwise shaggydog story. Additionally, even if Cannibal did die. It’s possibly that he could be within range of the Other’s powers of necromancy… so there’s that.
@@bennett420316 a volcano being a great stone beast would be a clever way for Martin to bring about The Long Night. Nothing magical, just nature being a monster.
@@Lily_of_the_ForestI mean, I would argue that activating a vulcanic eruption of that magnitude on command to initiate the Long Night is still pretty magical tbf
The Great Stone Beast is a stone sphinx coming to life at Oldtown. Melisandre has hinted repeatedly that through blood sacrifice stone can be brought to life, and Sam is at Oldtown trying to determine the meaning of a phrase repeated by a senile Maester Aemon "the sphinx is the riddle not the riddler." Aemon relates this phrase to TPTWP somehow. What's more, it's important to consider that the House of the Undying is from Dany's perspective and Dany knows what dragons look like, but she at no point recognizes a sphinx.
The more I think about it. I believe a great power will emerge from the black stone tower in Oldtown I'm interested in Marwyn's Lost Books that Rodrik Harlaw is reading in his own tower about the visions of Daenys Targaryen
Part of me wants there to be a big reveal at the Highertower/Oldtown. But the other part of me thinks it's a little too late for new major powers to be introduced.
Bran ruling from High Tower (since King’s Landing would be destroyed) would make sense. Bran is told he will love the darkness, so that could explain the shadow fire. And Bran would use his powers to trick people into doing what he wants, a liar.
Well, perhaps. But that's still the Hightowers seat. They'd probably just make another palace for the ruling family tbh, the Hightower is literally the Citadel of House Hightower's power and seat.
@@thalmoragent9344 well that still could be it a lot of people assume that a lot of noble families are going to be alive, what if its just a few, less than castles and keeps in westeros to the point that someone like bran can choose that one and even if every surviving noble choose one there will be still a few that new houses will be born ,what if the reach only surviving houses are minor ones
Great video! You clearly put a lot of thought into this one. Only thing I heard I disagree with is your interpretation of the man smiling sadly being Aeron, pretty sure it's Victarion. Aeron's tied to the mast, he's not standing and in Victarion's chapter he is standing, smiling at the bow of his ship and he's just as doomed as Aeron...
If not taken literally what if Jon Snow is the stone beast or stone dragon as if when someone dies they become cold and rigor mortis? So that would be Awakening your Stone beast or stone Dragon when he's brought back to life? What y'all think?
In defense of the cannibal theory. Dragons seem to be one of those species that thrive in the wild and wither away in captivity. Drogon grew sluggish but if he was living in the wild he may have lived longer. So it is not crazy to think that cannibal is still alive and thriving from living a wild life. He probably would have to exercise, hunt, fly, and over all stay more active than the captive dragons. For all we know cannibal could be in the prime of his life.
Here's my theory with the possible return of Cannibal- cannibal is.... A cannibal. It ate/eats other dragons. Dragons are known to be somewhat magical, so if cannibal is eating other dragons, perhaps it has absorbed some of that magic which has allowed it to survive for so long. Maybe it just eats it's young and prolongs it's own life even further, or maybe it accumulated enough absorbed magic to survive the extra 70 years (judging by Balereon's age when it died). Based on the theory that bran is fed Jojen 'paste' (the paste that tastes bloody, implying it's made out of Jojen, who is missing when bran eats the paste), which causes his powers to awaken, we could assume that consuming the flesh of another magical being imbues the eater with that being's own magic. That's my justification to the theory that cannibal will return (plus it would be sick as fuck)
is there a chance the cannibal would be a very different kind of dragon than we think? balerion is the best indication we have for the longevity of dragons, but when you only have one sample all you can do is speculate, and it seems like a determining factor for longevity is the dragon riders themselves, maybe balerion began fading when he was claimed by a weak ruler. it seems like most dragons either die with their riders or fade over time without one. what i’m thinking is, the cannibal could be a much more ancient dragon than we think, if he was the dragon of an ancient dragonrider of asshai, maybe even azor ahai himself, and he could be in a dormant state, looking pretty much like a giant statue on skagos, as azor ahai’s consciousness is in the weirwood network, in a kind of half-death, half-connection with the world. it could explain his intermittent presence in the world and animosity to other dragons, and would be a pretty amazing reveal as the consciousness of azor ahai reemerges as ice/fire wight jon or a possessed euron to awaken and claim him
The Fool's Fate books have a stone dragon created magically to rival real dragons, so the concept isnt unheard of. They are even created similarly to how Melisandre would create her stone dragons, with human sacrifice.
Robin Hobb and GRRM are friends, the idea might not be far off. Dead weirwoods turn to stone given a long enough time. The Black gate is some sort of magically animated weirwood creation. What if you make a stone dragon by carving it from weirwood and animating with blood sacrifice.
@@Walkth15way It also has the Sauron thing going with Leyton and his "mad maid" daughter Mallora at the top cooking up spells and who knows what else. Im pretty sure they have a glass candle too.
@@williamhermann6635 I'd put money on that, especially because it is said you can see the wall from the high tower. The real question is whether it is lit
To be fair Cannibal is sometimes thought to be a different species than the Targaryen dragons as it is said that dragons were in westeros before Aegons Conquest. Different species might live longer
I have not heard the Cannibal being a different species. I have heard theories the Cannibal is of a different bloodline than the rest of the dragons on Dragonstone. This might be worth making a video on
@@KevinPendragon Yea that is what I meant they say Cannibal was around before the Targaryens arrived and while everyone associates Dragons with Valyria there were said to be dragons in Westeros before the Targaryens arrived and of course Dragons around Asshai etc. Then there is Ice and sea dragon stories. The point is we shouldn't use the Targaryen Dragons to compare to Cannibal since there doesn't seem to be a connection. The only dragon known to have died of old age was Balerion and I don't think that means all dragons would die around the same age as him. Cannibal was likely the oldest dragon in Westeros but he was likely smaller than Vhagar despite being Older so there does appear to be differences.
@@rickyhunt4075But you forget that therr is NO RECORD of the Cannibal whatsoever until the Dance. And the rumors about the Cannibal were started by smallfolk. As well as the Cannibal despite his diet of eggs and dragons, nested near other bigger dragons and never tried to eat Vermithor for example. I think the history books would have some record of a dragon as big or near the size of Balerion or Vhagar.
@@Ashbrash1998 I never said Cannibal was bigger and it was recorded by the Maesters. The Smallfolk btw have been proven right a few times in the story.
This author really has a lot of us going insane now. He has decided to lay down all this backdrop first before continuing with the next book. I'm really glad he has this success, it was overdue. But at least he made it.
The shadow fire is what gets me. I usually agree with the fandom about most of the common well known theories but a greyscale pandemic in Westeros is just insane. I have never, for a single second, thought that would happen. The greyscale is just to give Jon Connington a dire sense of urgency, nothing more, there will not be a greyscale plague in Westeros, that would be a ridiculous crysis to solve on top of a billion things we already have. I am not saying this because I think it would be a bad plot decision, I do think it would be bad but, for example, Tyrion being a Targaryen is something I hate with a passion but that unfortunately seems to be a given due to all the signs.
Hey I just found your channel and will be binging your videos. I have heard a lot of theories about the stone beast but nothing seems to fit at all at least at this point. Do you think it could be related to the dragon bran sees rising out of Winterfell? Bran while in summer sees a shadow breathing flame rising from winterfell this could also be relating to Jon or that there was a dragon sleeping in winterfell as some think I would like to hear your thoughts on a possible correlation? Great vid btw
Thank you for stopping by the channel. I did not consider if the stone beast could be the possible dragon Summer saw. I have to check the text again to see if that serpent shape rose from a smoking tower or if a tower was visible nearby
I can't help thinking that bit was meant to be allegorical: Jon "Snow" Targaryan is theoretically a "dragon" sleeping at and arising from Winterfell, after all, in the round-about language of riddles and prophecies. Much like the Stone Dragon from Dany's dream sounds like it's running on the round-about language of riddles and prophecies more than it is a literal prediction of an actual stone dragon appearing. That said, the imagination is certainly fired by the picture of a literal stone dragon sleeping beneath Winterfell, to be raised up to fight for Jon and Dany against the Others... it's quite an irresistible idea!
Hey brother, fantastic video! I just thought about the greyscale and those ending in fire, what if the grey plague will run rampant and the only way to stop it is to use dragonfire to burn away parts of some population,,,thus ending in fire? Take care brother, Solo - Sweden
Holy fuck bro! Your blew my mind highlighting Undead vs Mels Shadow demons. I'm reading The Legend of Drizzt and you can tell GRRM is a big fanboy from all the references like Daemons or the sword Blackfyre. But I'm up to the Neverwinter Saga where Neverwinter is fending off attack from both Necromancers and Shadow Devils who are both at war with each other. Another epic faction in this Song if Mel boosts her numbers, I always wondered where the shadow babies go, like never says they go away after their job is done. Dope when you seen the secret figuring GRRM commissioned which looks like a Ice version of Mel
I think that's a good catch about Stannis and stone dragons - I wouldn't have caught that on my own, but now that it's been pointed out, this is hardly the first time that Stannis has been linked to stone. In this setting, there certainly doesn't seem to be any one "right way" to do elemental magic - certainly we're pretty well aware of Fire and Ice, but the Children of the Forest and the Crannogmen seem skilled in "Green magic" with green dreams and great magical trees and such to work with... the Crannogmen also seem skilled in Water magic along with the Ironborn and others around the world, with hints of influences from or over strange aquatic monsters and Ironborn reborn as "Water Wights"... Melisandre seems to deal somewhat in Fire magic, but more precisely in the interplay between light and shadow, conjuring a shadow assassin to slay Stannis' enemies and deceiving those who look upon her will illusions of light to conceal her true age... Blood Magic makes its appearance over and over again. So why not Stone magic? What might "Stone Wights", for example, look like? Well, we probably don't need to think very hard about that, we already have some hints of that in the Stone Men, victims of the "Greyscale" disease, led by a Stone King. It's not hard, in light of those ice dragons and the TV show's icy Dragon Wight, to imagine a stone dragon, and Stannis imagines exactly that. Is it silly to suppose this is something of a "Stone Dream" for Stannis, his equivalent to Melisandra's visions from the fire, or Jojen's "Green Dreams", or whatever weird visions under the sea that Patchface utters to a deaf audience? And why wouldn't Stannis, an explicitly stone-cold and hard man for his supporters to love, be so intimately linked to "Stone Magic" in that way? Not only is Stannis a seemingly perfect embodiment of the element of stone in every way, but his very home is a cold, hard rock of a castle (a place literally called "Dragonstone", built/carved in stone to resemble great stone dragons), and even his daughter, Shireen, has been kissed by the Greyscale, a disease that should have turned her completely to stone, but yet she lives, with very little explanation for how that is possible when all the efforts of the Maesters and healers and magicians that Stannis and his wife could find to try to help seemed impotent to stop it. If ANYONE in the stories so far is capable of rousing a Stone Dragon - perhaps one turned to stone via Greyscale after exposure to the stuff in the land of the Stone Men near doomed Valyria, than surely it is Stannis the stone-hearted! But, I'm not so sure there's a literal stone dragon to be raised by Stannis - Dany's vision seems to be symbolic, allegorical, crafted in the veiled language of dreams, riddles, and prophecies... we might well imagine the Drum Tower of Dragonstone to be the birthplace of a "great stone beast" in the form of Stannis, breathing shadowy death upon the world thanks to Mellisandra's sinister powers!
The first part is about young Giff, the mummer's dragon (Varys and Illyrio Mopatis), and the stone beast is 100% Jonh Connington grayscale outbreak. The shandoew fire is less clear. The stone tower could be storm's end. If they take Kings Landings, then maybe the bells and wildfire make sense with his mental health might push him to try and correct the battle of the bells. Slayer of Lies is revealing Aegon is a Blackfire. Like bride of Fire after talking about Jon Snow. Just my option but no one can know until winds!
We dont know how old dragons get. Balerion died but maybe also due to the wounds he got when he got back from Valyria and we dont know what maybe lived within him at that point. Remember the princess fate who went with him... And Balerion was Daenys dragon - so i reckon that he would be more than 300 years old.
The show is not accurate to the books concerning the ice dragon. They took Danys dragon and turned it to ice when they could’ve just had the WW’s find and ice dragon. Martin wrote about ice dragons in a short story as well so no reason they couldn’t have just given the WW’s one in the show. They already ride ice spiders and giants and giant polar bears
My guess is that it would have been too convenient to give the Night King a dragon. Having him kill one of Dany's and steal it from her makes for a more dramatic storyline (even if it doesn't work that well)
Id love a plot element where the character actually mishears the prophecy. Like if "Breathing shadowfire" was actually "Breeding shadowfire" and she just heard the accent wrong.
I think the beast is a reference to Euron Grayjoy. He currently does the Seastone chair. If I'm not mistaken, the Seastone chair was the same from the Gray King mythology and is made from Nagga's bones. However, my argument does hinge on the theory that Nagga's bones are actually petrified weirwoods. I'm not here to debate anyone, but feel free to correct me if anything was incorrect or share your thoughts on general.
The foreshadowing about th stone beats could be about Stannis. He's on Dragon Stone where there are literally gargoyles statues and dragon statues made of stone. He doesn't make his moves until he leaves Dragon stone and he has a red woman who's from Ashai which is known as the shadows lands that could be the shadow fire part. Stannis also has blue eyes unlike Jon who has Grey eyes....the prophecy or visions fit Stannis more than Jon to be honest
The thing is, not a single one of the characters is connected with multiple visions. That is, Jon is already connected with the vision of blue rose on the wall, therefore the stone beast vision cannot be something that is related to Jon. Think it this way, no more than one vision for any character or any events. That said, I think the stone beast vision can be of Euron and the tower might be Hightower, because Euron can't be matched up with any other visions of Dany.
Probably get this a lot, but how do you contextualize the parallels and rhymes in the books? How much weight do you give them in predicting? Nice summary of the stone beast. There are a couple other options, honestly far less likely. Part of the triplet you mentioned recently shook out something I think might be interesting. "..a rose...filled the air with sweetness." Mentioned in relation to the translation of a ship as the "stinking steward" I noticed something interesting. Jon is a Steward on the Wall. If that rose is symbolic of Jon then we have a perfumed rose that's also a steward. Thought?
theres actually evidence the cannibal may not be a Valarian dragon but rather from a line of native westeroes dragons or a line from vishai and GRRM did say that native westeroes dragons aged and grew slower then valarian dragons meaning cannibal could still be alive as GRRM stated the native westeroes dragons could live for 1000+ years so if he is infact a different species of non valarian dragon then the 200-220 year age limit for valarian dragons would not apply to him.
Balerion likely died due to becoming weakened by the same red worm parasites that Princess Aerea became infested with, not old age. I daresay Cannibal could very much still be alive.
I assumed it referred to Jon since he was born in northern dorne, making him a stoney dormishmen and since hes likely Targaryen, hes a stone dragon. Very literal I know 😂
Melisandre knows there is power in blood. And that is common. But there is more power in King's blood.... So....how powerful would her magic be if she used Dragon blood? With Danaerys heading to the wall, it would put the Dragons close to Melisandre. And she might engineer an opportunity to get a sample of that. Cast a shadow dragon of some sort.
The great stone beast is a lie that Daenerys must slay. The Great Stone Beast will probably be Azor Ahai, but it will be revealed that he is not a hero but for the contrary the villain to be defeated. And it will be related to the Stone Kings in Winterfell. Now, If you read closely the Grey King from the Iron Islands was said to be the killer of a weirwood. Then the King of the First Men was said to be turned into a Grey cadaver-like after he killed his brother who was a Green Men. Then the epidemic of greyscale was a curse done by Garin after the valyrians burned with his blood magic dragons all his people and destroyed all his beautiful cities that were protected by nature Green magic. What I am trying to say is that, everytime that something or someone is turned into grey/ stone is due to the profanation of Green magic by Blood magic done through human sacrifices. What makes me think that the Starks also practiced blood magic, what Bran saw in his last chapter was the ritual done to achieve something, that something was probably related to the creation of those Stone Kings. Guys, GRRM is totally fooling us. Those damn Kings are not there to protect anyone, they probably are the freaking enemy.😂😂
I think GRRM put a lot into the House of the Undying to firstly hide a massive clue about who is the offspring of R+l "Drink from the cup of ice, dri k from the cup of fire, Mother of Dragons", i mean come on GRRM. The blue flower in the wall isnt about this at all. Jons next chapter he learns about Bale the Bard and begins to sympathize with the wildlings and his relationship with Yigrette starts and it will eventually lead to his stabbing. Some of these visions will not come to pass, some will, and some already have, basically its GRRMs gardening style of writting.
I think Jon con and hia Greyscale is the great "Stoke beast taking winged shadow flame" [or something along those.line Hes still got fucked up ovwr Rhaegar and the commwt thta Tywin.wud of burneid the village at the battle of bells to get at BOBBBY B aftergis injuiraat the Battle at Ashford.
Plis Daxos didnt just want 1 dragon ge wanted all of tem as wa sthe custom..i Ofmarriage in Quarth .they voth gt half of each other belongings and TREASUREZ😊
Jon is not legitimate Dany won't go mad These are facts & dany's end is during whether she will survive or no is during fighting the others Jon won't be a threat he won't have a claim He will find out he's a targaryen bastard
Okay no she is the monster she is the dragon her vision was showing her what would happen to her if she went down the wrong path she chose the dragons which will inevitably into her death when she could have walked away from it and she could have survived and she could have lived a happy life she chose the dragon and became the beast
@@KevinPendragon the premonition the dragon dream that she had when she was in the tower showed her two separate paths her first path was to happiness her premonition showed her inside the throne room filled with Ash that was her warning the same warning that aegon the conqueror head he knew he was going to die but he chose to do the right thing and to prepare westeros for the coming darkness he knew he was going to die he knew his sisters were going to die he knew he was going to suffer but he chose to do the right thing Daenerys chose the wrong thing
I want to like this video because it’s a cool topic and you’ve done amazing research. But I really don’t like your cadence it sounds like every few words are their own sentence
I think Jon con and hia Greyscale is the great "Stoke beast taking winged shadow flame" [or something along those.line Hes still got fucked up ovwr Rhaegar and the commwt thta Tywin.wud of burneid the village at the battle of bells to get at BOBBBY B aftergis injuiraat the Battle at Ashford.
GO! BLUE EYES WHITE DRAGON! ATTACK AEGON'S LEGITIMACY DIRECTLY!
They last time I was this early, the Asshai’i were bringing Firewyrms home and doing crazy magic on them.
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Is the stone creature not just referring to Jon Connington? His sigil is a griffin, and he has greyscale which turns flesh into stone. Thus, he is a stoney flying creature. Spewing shadowfire could simply mean supporting the blackfyres, which JonCon does, unknowingly.
I always thought the fire foreshadowed him setting kingslanding ablaze in an event similar to Daenerys snapping in season 8. It would make sense for Jon Connington, who is losing his mind due to his illness, and also has an associated trauma from the Battle of the Bells and it has been suggested that he could simply have burned down Stoney Sept.
Still believe this is going to happen, but the symbolism of shadowfire = blackfyre fits even better.
It's not a bad theory, but the pantomime dragon already seems to represent fAegon and his faction. JonCon is part of this farce (even though he doesn't know), so why would the Blackfyres appear twice in the same vision (the slayer of lies), if it is the same lie? These are supposed to show three different lies Dany will expose
Could be,could not be. We don't even know if grrm had Jon con created in 98.
Think you nailed it
@@olofacosta3192could be that he created Jon Con to fit the description of the Stony creature.
My original thought was that the beast was referring to Euron, since the smoking tower reminded me of Melisandre’s vision where she said that hardest blow would land at a tower by the sea. You’ve convinced me that it was Jon though since my previous thoughts didn’t line up too well. Awesome video!
Jon is who I now think it is. But he is just one of many possibilities I presented in the video. I would encourage everyone to keep an open mind because this is a difficult mystery to attempt to solve and I'm not 100% positive its Jon. Part of me wonders if Martin gave us enough clues to figure out what the stone beast is...
@@KevinPendragonIt could be we don't know have the clues yet as we couldn't have put together Aeron Damphair was the guy on the prow of the ship before the forsaken. I think all of the things seen are threats to dany in some way as the cloth dragon is likely Aegon and Stannis is also someone who claims the throne is his. Damphair being sacrificed represents Euron etc.
Griffins do not breathe fire, but dying and desperate JonCon, regretting that he wasn't more Tywin-like, can be the one triggered by bells ringing and set King's Landing ablaze. The bells would be his trigger, after the Battle of the Bells and he really wants to put young Griff on the throne. And if he doesn't directly contribute to the fire, he could start an epidemic in KL that needs to be eradicated with a big fire.
Holdin out for the skagos theory lets goooo! I can see cannibalism being similar to blood magic in prolonging dragons’ lifespans who are after all creatures of fire and blood. Love the idea of Cannibal being this dormant creature in the Skagos mines responsible for the fires, whom they bring sacrifices to satiate, hence the rumors. And as for what could rouse him- dragonbinder. Probably not true but I want it to be lol, and it would bring a lot of intrigue to Rickon’s otherwise shaggydog story.
Additionally, even if Cannibal did die. It’s possibly that he could be within range of the Other’s powers of necromancy… so there’s that.
Dragonstone sits on top of a volcano. Davos describes the dungeons as warm...the volcano is active. The stone beast is just a volcano.
A volcanic eruption will cause lots of ash and block the sun aka The Long Night?
@@Lily_of_the_Forest The island is too small to influence the entire real
@@bennett420316 a volcano being a great stone beast would be a clever way for Martin to bring about The Long Night. Nothing magical, just nature being a monster.
@@Lily_of_the_ForestI mean, I would argue that activating a vulcanic eruption of that magnitude on command to initiate the Long Night is still pretty magical tbf
@@Lily_of_the_Forest fire and ice are inherently magic. The Long Summer was due to magic currents. A volcano erupting would have magic connotations
The Great Stone Beast is a stone sphinx coming to life at Oldtown. Melisandre has hinted repeatedly that through blood sacrifice stone can be brought to life, and Sam is at Oldtown trying to determine the meaning of a phrase repeated by a senile Maester Aemon "the sphinx is the riddle not the riddler." Aemon relates this phrase to TPTWP somehow. What's more, it's important to consider that the House of the Undying is from Dany's perspective and Dany knows what dragons look like, but she at no point recognizes a sphinx.
Do you have plans on making more asoiaf content? 🙏🏾
@@KevinPendragon when the sun rises in the west and sets in the east.
But actually I do, I just keep putting it off lol
Do you think Euron's plan involves the sphinx?
Shadowfire is a reference to Blackfyre ;)
A stone dragon won't come to life...Dragon stone will come to life. A volcano will erupt with a sacrifice.
and the ash will cause the Long Night
The more I think about it. I believe a great power will emerge from the black stone tower in Oldtown
I'm interested in Marwyn's Lost Books that Rodrik Harlaw is reading in his own tower about the visions of Daenys Targaryen
Part of me wants there to be a big reveal at the Highertower/Oldtown. But the other part of me thinks it's a little too late for new major powers to be introduced.
Layton Hightower and his daughter have been in the tower reading books on magic this whole time too
Everytime he laid eyes on Rhaegar his pink mast turned into a stone beast
Undead stone dragon = resurrected Jon Snow
Shade of the Evening reminds me of the Spice Melange from Dune, just not to that great an extent but similar
It's funny you mention this. I just recorded a video where I talk about the comparison. Martin was def inspired by the spice mélange
Bran ruling from High Tower (since King’s Landing would be destroyed) would make sense. Bran is told he will love the darkness, so that could explain the shadow fire. And Bran would use his powers to trick people into doing what he wants, a liar.
Well, perhaps. But that's still the Hightowers seat. They'd probably just make another palace for the ruling family tbh, the Hightower is literally the Citadel of House Hightower's power and seat.
@@thalmoragent9344 well that still could be it a lot of people assume that a lot of noble families are going to be alive, what if its just a few, less than castles and keeps in westeros to the point that someone like bran can choose that one and even if every surviving noble choose one there will be still a few that new houses will be born ,what if the reach only surviving houses are minor ones
Great video! You clearly put a lot of thought into this one. Only thing I heard I disagree with is your interpretation of the man smiling sadly being Aeron, pretty sure it's Victarion. Aeron's tied to the mast, he's not standing and in Victarion's chapter he is standing, smiling at the bow of his ship and he's just as doomed as Aeron...
If not taken literally what if Jon Snow is the stone beast or stone dragon as if when someone dies they become cold and rigor mortis? So that would be Awakening your Stone beast or stone Dragon when he's brought back to life? What y'all think?
I think it's Jon Con. I think we jump to dragon because of the wings but the grayscale causing madness and fire and blood makes sense
In defense of the cannibal theory. Dragons seem to be one of those species that thrive in the wild and wither away in captivity. Drogon grew sluggish but if he was living in the wild he may have lived longer. So it is not crazy to think that cannibal is still alive and thriving from living a wild life. He probably would have to exercise, hunt, fly, and over all stay more active than the captive dragons. For all we know cannibal could be in the prime of his life.
Here's my theory with the possible return of Cannibal- cannibal is.... A cannibal. It ate/eats other dragons. Dragons are known to be somewhat magical, so if cannibal is eating other dragons, perhaps it has absorbed some of that magic which has allowed it to survive for so long. Maybe it just eats it's young and prolongs it's own life even further, or maybe it accumulated enough absorbed magic to survive the extra 70 years (judging by Balereon's age when it died).
Based on the theory that bran is fed Jojen 'paste' (the paste that tastes bloody, implying it's made out of Jojen, who is missing when bran eats the paste), which causes his powers to awaken, we could assume that consuming the flesh of another magical being imbues the eater with that being's own magic. That's my justification to the theory that cannibal will return (plus it would be sick as fuck)
is there a chance the cannibal would be a very different kind of dragon than we think? balerion is the best indication we have for the longevity of dragons, but when you only have one sample all you can do is speculate, and it seems like a determining factor for longevity is the dragon riders themselves, maybe balerion began fading when he was claimed by a weak ruler. it seems like most dragons either die with their riders or fade over time without one. what i’m thinking is, the cannibal could be a much more ancient dragon than we think, if he was the dragon of an ancient dragonrider of asshai, maybe even azor ahai himself, and he could be in a dormant state, looking pretty much like a giant statue on skagos, as azor ahai’s consciousness is in the weirwood network, in a kind of half-death, half-connection with the world. it could explain his intermittent presence in the world and animosity to other dragons, and would be a pretty amazing reveal as the consciousness of azor ahai reemerges as ice/fire wight jon or a possessed euron to awaken and claim him
The Fool's Fate books have a stone dragon created magically to rival real dragons, so the concept isnt unheard of. They are even created similarly to how Melisandre would create her stone dragons, with human sacrifice.
Robin Hobb and GRRM are friends, the idea might not be far off. Dead weirwoods turn to stone given a long enough time. The Black gate is some sort of magically animated weirwood creation. What if you make a stone dragon by carving it from weirwood and animating with blood sacrifice.
@@Walkth15wayOr built a giant stone building like The Hightower
@@williamhermann6635 Unhinged, I love it. The high tower is already a symbolic weirwood
@@Walkth15way It also has the Sauron thing going with Leyton and his "mad maid" daughter Mallora at the top cooking up spells and who knows what else. Im pretty sure they have a glass candle too.
@@williamhermann6635 I'd put money on that, especially because it is said you can see the wall from the high tower. The real question is whether it is lit
To be fair Cannibal is sometimes thought to be a different species than the Targaryen dragons as it is said that dragons were in westeros before Aegons Conquest. Different species might live longer
I have not heard the Cannibal being a different species. I have heard theories the Cannibal is of a different bloodline than the rest of the dragons on Dragonstone. This might be worth making a video on
@@KevinPendragon Yea that is what I meant they say Cannibal was around before the Targaryens arrived and while everyone associates Dragons with Valyria there were said to be dragons in Westeros before the Targaryens arrived and of course Dragons around Asshai etc. Then there is Ice and sea dragon stories. The point is we shouldn't use the Targaryen Dragons to compare to Cannibal since there doesn't seem to be a connection. The only dragon known to have died of old age was Balerion and I don't think that means all dragons would die around the same age as him. Cannibal was likely the oldest dragon in Westeros but he was likely smaller than Vhagar despite being Older so there does appear to be differences.
@@rickyhunt4075But you forget that therr is NO RECORD of the Cannibal whatsoever until the Dance. And the rumors about the Cannibal were started by smallfolk. As well as the Cannibal despite his diet of eggs and dragons, nested near other bigger dragons and never tried to eat Vermithor for example. I think the history books would have some record of a dragon as big or near the size of Balerion or Vhagar.
@@Ashbrash1998 I never said Cannibal was bigger and it was recorded by the Maesters. The Smallfolk btw have been proven right a few times in the story.
Balerion died old yes, but he was also severely wounded and never recovered from his jaunt home .
11:27 that was Salladhor Saan who said that, not Davos.
Yes. You're right.
This author really has a lot of us going insane now. He has decided to lay down all this backdrop first before continuing with the next book. I'm really glad he has this success, it was overdue. But at least he made it.
There’s a lot still out there in Daeny’s visions, and who knows how it will all play out at this point, especially without the Winds of Winter
We will have to talk more about her other visions sometime in the future
@@KevinPendragonyes that would be great
The shadow fire is what gets me. I usually agree with the fandom about most of the common well known theories but a greyscale pandemic in Westeros is just insane. I have never, for a single second, thought that would happen. The greyscale is just to give Jon Connington a dire sense of urgency, nothing more, there will not be a greyscale plague in Westeros, that would be a ridiculous crysis to solve on top of a billion things we already have. I am not saying this because I think it would be a bad plot decision, I do think it would be bad but, for example, Tyrion being a Targaryen is something I hate with a passion but that unfortunately seems to be a given due to all the signs.
Hey I just found your channel and will be binging your videos. I have heard a lot of theories about the stone beast but nothing seems to fit at all at least at this point. Do you think it could be related to the dragon bran sees rising out of Winterfell? Bran while in summer sees a shadow breathing flame rising from winterfell this could also be relating to Jon or that there was a dragon sleeping in winterfell as some think I would like to hear your thoughts on a possible correlation? Great vid btw
Thank you for stopping by the channel. I did not consider if the stone beast could be the possible dragon Summer saw. I have to check the text again to see if that serpent shape rose from a smoking tower or if a tower was visible nearby
@@KevinPendragon I have often thought there was a connection but I could be wrong of course
I can't help thinking that bit was meant to be allegorical: Jon "Snow" Targaryan is theoretically a "dragon" sleeping at and arising from Winterfell, after all, in the round-about language of riddles and prophecies. Much like the Stone Dragon from Dany's dream sounds like it's running on the round-about language of riddles and prophecies more than it is a literal prediction of an actual stone dragon appearing.
That said, the imagination is certainly fired by the picture of a literal stone dragon sleeping beneath Winterfell, to be raised up to fight for Jon and Dany against the Others... it's quite an irresistible idea!
Hey brother, fantastic video!
I just thought about the greyscale and those ending in fire, what if the grey plague will run rampant and the only way to stop it is to use dragonfire to burn away parts of some population,,,thus ending in fire?
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Jon is the winged wolf
Wings from Targ
Wolf from Stark
Jon is the stone beast
Resurrected, for sure
Maybe stone from Shireen
It’s all about Jon
Holy fuck bro! Your blew my mind highlighting Undead vs Mels Shadow demons. I'm reading The Legend of Drizzt and you can tell GRRM is a big fanboy from all the references like Daemons or the sword Blackfyre. But I'm up to the Neverwinter Saga where Neverwinter is fending off attack from both Necromancers and Shadow Devils who are both at war with each other. Another epic faction in this Song if Mel boosts her numbers, I always wondered where the shadow babies go, like never says they go away after their job is done. Dope when you seen the secret figuring GRRM commissioned which looks like a Ice version of Mel
I forgot to include the Ice Melisandre figure in the video! Damn. She's literally the corpse queen
@@KevinPendragon Tricksy bish!! I love her
Could Cannibal be an undead dragon? Maybe The Others will use a Wight Dragon to burn down the wall?
I think that's a good catch about Stannis and stone dragons - I wouldn't have caught that on my own, but now that it's been pointed out, this is hardly the first time that Stannis has been linked to stone.
In this setting, there certainly doesn't seem to be any one "right way" to do elemental magic - certainly we're pretty well aware of Fire and Ice, but the Children of the Forest and the Crannogmen seem skilled in "Green magic" with green dreams and great magical trees and such to work with... the Crannogmen also seem skilled in Water magic along with the Ironborn and others around the world, with hints of influences from or over strange aquatic monsters and Ironborn reborn as "Water Wights"... Melisandre seems to deal somewhat in Fire magic, but more precisely in the interplay between light and shadow, conjuring a shadow assassin to slay Stannis' enemies and deceiving those who look upon her will illusions of light to conceal her true age... Blood Magic makes its appearance over and over again.
So why not Stone magic? What might "Stone Wights", for example, look like? Well, we probably don't need to think very hard about that, we already have some hints of that in the Stone Men, victims of the "Greyscale" disease, led by a Stone King. It's not hard, in light of those ice dragons and the TV show's icy Dragon Wight, to imagine a stone dragon, and Stannis imagines exactly that. Is it silly to suppose this is something of a "Stone Dream" for Stannis, his equivalent to Melisandra's visions from the fire, or Jojen's "Green Dreams", or whatever weird visions under the sea that Patchface utters to a deaf audience?
And why wouldn't Stannis, an explicitly stone-cold and hard man for his supporters to love, be so intimately linked to "Stone Magic" in that way? Not only is Stannis a seemingly perfect embodiment of the element of stone in every way, but his very home is a cold, hard rock of a castle (a place literally called "Dragonstone", built/carved in stone to resemble great stone dragons), and even his daughter, Shireen, has been kissed by the Greyscale, a disease that should have turned her completely to stone, but yet she lives, with very little explanation for how that is possible when all the efforts of the Maesters and healers and magicians that Stannis and his wife could find to try to help seemed impotent to stop it.
If ANYONE in the stories so far is capable of rousing a Stone Dragon - perhaps one turned to stone via Greyscale after exposure to the stuff in the land of the Stone Men near doomed Valyria, than surely it is Stannis the stone-hearted!
But, I'm not so sure there's a literal stone dragon to be raised by Stannis - Dany's vision seems to be symbolic, allegorical, crafted in the veiled language of dreams, riddles, and prophecies... we might well imagine the Drum Tower of Dragonstone to be the birthplace of a "great stone beast" in the form of Stannis, breathing shadowy death upon the world thanks to Mellisandra's sinister powers!
The first part is about young Giff, the mummer's dragon (Varys and Illyrio Mopatis), and the stone beast is 100% Jonh Connington grayscale outbreak. The shandoew fire is less clear. The stone tower could be storm's end. If they take Kings Landings, then maybe the bells and wildfire make sense with his mental health might push him to try and correct the battle of the bells.
Slayer of Lies is revealing Aegon is a Blackfire. Like bride of Fire after talking about Jon Snow.
Just my option but no one can know until winds!
We dont know how old dragons get. Balerion died but maybe also due to the wounds he got when he got back from Valyria and we dont know what maybe lived within him at that point. Remember the princess fate who went with him... And Balerion was Daenys dragon - so i reckon that he would be more than 300 years old.
The show is not accurate to the books concerning the ice dragon. They took Danys dragon and turned it to ice when they could’ve just had the WW’s find and ice dragon. Martin wrote about ice dragons in a short story as well so no reason they couldn’t have just given the WW’s one in the show. They already ride ice spiders and giants and giant polar bears
My guess is that it would have been too convenient to give the Night King a dragon. Having him kill one of Dany's and steal it from her makes for a more dramatic storyline (even if it doesn't work that well)
Amazing quality bro please keep it up
Thank you!
The wolves in the crypt in Ned's chapter are described as having GREAT STONE HEADS.
Id love a plot element where the character actually mishears the prophecy. Like if "Breathing shadowfire" was actually "Breeding shadowfire" and she just heard the accent wrong.
I think the beast is a reference to Euron Grayjoy. He currently does the Seastone chair. If I'm not mistaken, the Seastone chair was the same from the Gray King mythology and is made from Nagga's bones. However, my argument does hinge on the theory that Nagga's bones are actually petrified weirwoods. I'm not here to debate anyone, but feel free to correct me if anything was incorrect or share your thoughts on general.
The foreshadowing about th stone beats could be about Stannis. He's on Dragon Stone where there are literally gargoyles statues and dragon statues made of stone. He doesn't make his moves until he leaves Dragon stone and he has a red woman who's from Ashai which is known as the shadows lands that could be the shadow fire part. Stannis also has blue eyes unlike Jon who has Grey eyes....the prophecy or visions fit Stannis more than Jon to be honest
The thing is, not a single one of the characters is connected with multiple visions. That is, Jon is already connected with the vision of blue rose on the wall, therefore the stone beast vision cannot be something that is related to Jon.
Think it this way, no more than one vision for any character or any events.
That said, I think the stone beast vision can be of Euron and the tower might be Hightower, because Euron can't be matched up with any other visions of Dany.
Probably get this a lot, but how do you contextualize the parallels and rhymes in the books? How much weight do you give them in predicting?
Nice summary of the stone beast. There are a couple other options, honestly far less likely.
Part of the triplet you mentioned recently shook out something I think might be interesting. "..a rose...filled the air with sweetness." Mentioned in relation to the translation of a ship as the "stinking steward" I noticed something interesting. Jon is a Steward on the Wall. If that rose is symbolic of Jon then we have a perfumed rose that's also a steward. Thought?
theres actually evidence the cannibal may not be a Valarian dragon but rather from a line of native westeroes dragons or a line from vishai and GRRM did say that native westeroes dragons aged and grew slower then valarian dragons meaning cannibal could still be alive as GRRM stated the native westeroes dragons could live for 1000+ years so if he is infact a different species of non valarian dragon then the 200-220 year age limit for valarian dragons would not apply to him.
I don't remember Alduin being in ASOIAF😊
In Danny's undying visions they are all in 3's , treason, Fire's ,Mount ect an end in love does this mean anything important by ending in love
Love is the death of duty, the death of honor. It's a major theme. Love makes people do terrible things some times.
@@KevinPendragon to quote from Dune, "the most terrible things are done out of kindness"
Balerion likely died due to becoming weakened by the same red worm parasites that Princess Aerea became infested with, not old age. I daresay Cannibal could very much still be alive.
Ragnar seems to be the most important character within this book series
I also think the stone beast could have something to do with Gargoyles. No concrete reason. ;) just to a hunch.
I assumed it referred to Jon since he was born in northern dorne, making him a stoney dormishmen and since hes likely Targaryen, hes a stone dragon. Very literal I know 😂
Hot pie is the stone beast
🤔 the great stone pie
One other possibility is that the "Great Stone Beast"is in fact Sir Robert Stone AKA The Mountain that Rides
Euron throwing rocks with catapults
At who?
@@KevinPendragonthe beast in Oldtown. Isn't he about to attack the city? Or could it be Sam playing with the candles.
Melisandre knows there is power in blood. And that is common. But there is more power in King's blood....
So....how powerful would her magic be if she used Dragon blood?
With Danaerys heading to the wall, it would put the Dragons close to Melisandre. And she might engineer an opportunity to get a sample of that. Cast a shadow dragon of some sort.
that background music is doing something with me after watching a video and just feels wrong that the music also stops
eek...Ice Dragons.
Would be a bad turning to have Ice Dragons after Martin says there's no such thing in interviews.
Sheeren with greyscale wake jon from death
Isn't Drogon's fire blackish? Like a shadow...a shadow fire. It could be him
At 6:41 that Jon passage didn't happen in any Ned chapters in the 1st book lol you tripping
The great stone beast is a lie that Daenerys must slay.
The Great Stone Beast will probably be Azor Ahai, but it will be revealed that he is not a hero but for the contrary the villain to be defeated. And it will be related to the Stone Kings in Winterfell. Now,
If you read closely the Grey King from the Iron Islands was said to be the killer of a weirwood. Then the King of the First Men was said to be turned into a Grey cadaver-like after he killed his brother who was a Green Men. Then the epidemic of greyscale was a curse done by Garin after the valyrians burned with his blood magic dragons all his people and destroyed all his beautiful cities that were protected by nature Green magic.
What I am trying to say is that, everytime that something or someone is turned into grey/ stone is due to the profanation of Green magic by Blood magic done through human sacrifices. What makes me think that the Starks also practiced blood magic, what Bran saw in his last chapter was the ritual done to achieve something, that something was probably related to the creation of those Stone Kings.
Guys, GRRM is totally fooling us. Those damn Kings are not there to protect anyone, they probably are the freaking enemy.😂😂
Nah, I don't believe she will go mad like in the show, as her whole arc is about giving up on Westerosi queenship
"... Dany has embraced her heritage as a Targaryen and embraced the Targaryen words. So they're (she and Tyrion) both coming home." - George RR Martin
The cannibal might be in stone hibernation
I think GRRM put a lot into the House of the Undying to firstly hide a massive clue about who is the offspring of R+l "Drink from the cup of ice, dri k from the cup of fire, Mother of Dragons", i mean come on GRRM. The blue flower in the wall isnt about this at all. Jons next chapter he learns about Bale the Bard and begins to sympathize with the wildlings and his relationship with Yigrette starts and it will eventually lead to his stabbing. Some of these visions will not come to pass, some will, and some already have, basically its GRRMs gardening style of writting.
Stone is the surname of bastards born in Dorne, and the hybrid offspring of dragons and direwolves would certainly be a beast..
Who can say how long a cannibal dragon may live? Who can say whether it lives in caves on that island, only sneaking out to feed on moonless nights?
Tip: you should not say "end quote". it breaks your story really bad.
Pretty sure it's a valyrian Chimera
I did think Drogon
I think Jon con and hia Greyscale is the great "Stoke beast taking winged shadow flame" [or something along those.line Hes still got fucked up ovwr Rhaegar and the commwt thta Tywin.wud of burneid the village at the battle of bells to get at BOBBBY B aftergis injuiraat the Battle at Ashford.
Euron was also in a sex dream of dany. She saw a one eyed man with blue stained lips
Stone beast in burning tower= shireen burning at eastwatch realeasing greyscale plauge
Plis Daxos didnt just want 1 dragon ge wanted all of tem as wa sthe custom..i
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Jon is not legitimate
Dany won't go mad
These are facts & dany's end is during whether she will survive or no is during fighting the others
Jon won't be a threat he won't have a claim
He will find out he's a targaryen bastard
Okay no she is the monster she is the dragon her vision was showing her what would happen to her if she went down the wrong path she chose the dragons which will inevitably into her death when she could have walked away from it and she could have survived and she could have lived a happy life she chose the dragon and became the beast
That's an interesting interpretation. I do believe Daenerys has a dark future ahead of her
@@KevinPendragon the premonition the dragon dream that she had when she was in the tower showed her two separate paths her first path was to happiness her premonition showed her inside the throne room filled with Ash that was her warning the same warning that aegon the conqueror head he knew he was going to die but he chose to do the right thing and to prepare westeros for the coming darkness he knew he was going to die he knew his sisters were going to die he knew he was going to suffer but he chose to do the right thing Daenerys chose the wrong thing
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I want to like this video because it’s a cool topic and you’ve done amazing research. But I really don’t like your cadence it sounds like every few words are their own sentence
Once I got complaints I spoke too fast. Now a complaint I'm speaking too slow. Can't please everyone. Thanks for watching !
Jon Con and the Lax Cleanliness standards casually going to cause a Gray Scale Plague that will put the Pale Mare to shame
I think Jon con and hia Greyscale is the great "Stoke beast taking winged shadow flame" [or something along those.line Hes still got fucked up ovwr Rhaegar and the commwt thta Tywin.wud of burneid the village at the battle of bells to get at BOBBBY B aftergis injuiraat the Battle at Ashford.