I know you’re a professional driver but remember other drivers are not like you I was a truck driver for 15 years driving on ice or snow you have to adjust speed according to conditions but that’s just me because my family it’s waiting for me God blessed you bro!
Great video! You are amazing really very daring! I have a question.... How do you descend a long mountain similar to the one in your video 6 to 8 percent with a "tanker trailer, set a doubles" carrying crude oil 100,000 pounds? You put out your chains on but my understanding is you NEVER apply your j-brakes. How do you descend nice and easy? You cannot use control breaking because of the liquid surge can affect the handling if your combination vehicle. So, I would really appreciate any suggestions you can provide, thank you so much!!
Nice Driving skills Michael, way to go ,be safe though, don't tempt it too much! Nonetheless, you do say that you have quite a few years of mountain driving and it shows!! Take care, Peace!!
I must confess, after watching this video, that it's one of the spectacular snow road journey that I have not witnessed earlier. Much appreciated for all your time, efforts and money in capturing this wonderful and excellent scenic view. May God bless you with all happiness, prosperity, good health and longevity!!! Best regards, Nassa
Thank you so much for letting me ride shot gun with you. I have enjoyed everything you have talked about. You are a awesome driver, you sure know your stuff on keeping the truck on the road. Thank You so much. Stay safe.
Love the rumble, growl and snarl of the truck diesel in this video. Much better than your previous videos. I drove in the snow in Colorado for 15 years in my younger days. You can get going but stopping and controlling speed is what its all about. I worry more about who is around me in the snow like you do.
cool video man, but, i live in canada, drive in snow 7 months a year, been 30 years and sometimes I still get freaked out in certain really nasty stuff. Im not a truck driver but people SHOULD be scared if they have no experience, especially if they are from nice sunny texas and they see a semi barrelling down on them in the rear view mirror. The only thing that helps you in those conditions is experience not some special courage you have, NOT lack of fear. Please don't tell people - don't be scared, just relax and do it...its a problem if you make it a problem- comon man...you said you were driving there/that road for 17 years, come drive an unknown road in those conditions up here, you will be taking it realllllll easy and sweating it also. Cool video though.
Rafal Luszcz. thanks for the pos.. I have not driven this road for 17 years.. just 8 -9 months of winter for that long stricktly in the mountains.. I was just encouraging people to relax because they undoughtably will be terrified and super slow as a natural response.. I am just saying to do the best you can to stay calm as possible.. that all.. but thanks for the input
I had drivers hired on my trucks in Alaska, one thing that pissed me off was hearing the old line; "the shoulder sucked me into the ditch"! My answer? Shoulders are Set Points, They Do Not Move! Trucks Move, where ever the WHEELS ARE POINTED!!🤐🤐
pretty cool videos. wish i had the oppurtunity to experience some wimter weather like that!! we never get snow like that. keep posting more videos!!! love them
I like the way you break to desired speed before the curve. I don't believe you mention it -- you do it naturally without thinking. That's one way to survive a winter drive here in Colorado. I love driving 145 from Delores up to Lizard Head, but in the glorious summertime. Stay safe out there friend.
Wath kind of tires are you using, ill guess its winter tires,sure not the normal "summer" tires used on other trucks. You would do great on norwegian winterroads.
My ex was a truck driver for over 30 years even he made mistakes. And I rode with him for several months at a time and he was an amazing driver. But I have seen many truckers who keep going and don't pull over even though they're tired. Especially living in Texas having to drive on the country roads were there oil rigs are and their fracking most of those guys are on substance to keep them going with a lot of dangerous driving. So I'm glad you follow the rules but I can tell you not all truck drivers do.
There is several factors in this winter driving that he's doing. 1 he lives in that part of the country and has been driving in that kind of weather for 20 years. 2 more than likely he has been down this way many many times. 3 it depends on your weight the more weight the better. And one must remember when you're in this neck of the woods they get a dry snow not a wet snow. The speed limit signs from what I could see were for summer or winter. When it says 60 miles an hour one must go by road conditions. The four-wheeler may have hit a slick spot and scooted off the road that does not make him an idiot. For newcomers learning to drive in this kind of weather it pays to be very cautious it takes couple years to really get it pat down and sometimes being a little scared maybe a good idea. Try to always keep one side have your tractor and trailer on dry portion of road our we're you can see it has already been traveled on. I'm not taking away from his experience he is doing a good job but like I said it takes time be cautious. Me myself I drove for over 40 years I hope this has helped any newcomers good luck 😂
I wouldn't feel comfortable at that speed in that truck - do you have chains on? Just trying to understand how you feel comfortable at that speed on that road.
I drive the highway through hell four times a year and two of those times end up being in the winter coming and going and I passed semis doing 50 km an hour I've passed semis doing 40 on these roads
We want to thank you for having us SHOTGUN... awesome dude, keep posting your videos please... we love traveling with you... my little brother says thank you and please be very careful... God bless you.
I love trucking In cold weather and bad rainstorms! Thanks for sharing. Do you have any truck videos of being in the sleeper during a storm. That always reminded me of camping bad weather.
Well I never thought of it but that's a really good question.. I think one of the trickiest ones is Douglas pass which I do have filmed.. one of the most dangerous one was Wolf Creek Pass.. Westside.. westbound after they bladed it. started to jackknife but was able to recover.. then there was a time between Kenosha pass and Fairplay CO.. I was hauling an empty trailer and there was super strong winds with snow blowing across the highway cars being blown off and I made it through with no incident that was absolutely amazing but that was a definite white-knuckle..
@@ridingshotgun1251 Thank you for answering back, I use to drive, did it for 16 years had to give it up, I love your videos, almost feels as if I am there
8 am Sunday Sept 19, 2021 Getting myself ready for RIDING SHOTGUN 2021-22 winter videos. Meanwhile back at the ranch still late summer here in Western Colorado. SEE YA
Did he crash? No? Did he endanger anyone? Not that i could see. Is he still alive? YES. Has he been doing this for over 20 years? Yes! Is he driving too fast for the conditions? NO, he's moderating his speed based on the conditions unlike most other drivers who keep the same speed at all times and makes hard love with the brake pedal as soon as their vehicle steps out of line. Leave the mountains, you are not suited for them.
Lots of bragging and boasting going on here by "Mister Truck Driver". Going way too fast on that. Hit a frost heave at that speed and it's over the guardrail and into the canyon. If he was an independent driving his own rig, he wouldn't put the hammer down under those conditions. If he's driving for an outfit, and the owners see this video, he's probably out of a job.
My trailer costs 300.000.00 so I’m going to be as safe as possible and if that means stopping that’s what I’m going to do. There is a thing called driving to fast for conditions. Your day will come thinking your all that. I do carry chains but I don’t chain up. I’ve been driving for 30yrs. So stay safe truck drivers.
Don't know what part of the country you operate in but if you drive in Colorado in winter, when the chain law is in effect due to the current conditions on whatever road you're wanting to travel, mostly the mountain passes YOU WILL CHAIN UP, or you'll get yourself a nice big fine, if you're caught trying to proceed without them, or you'll sit and wait for conditions to improve, or you'll try to find a way to turn around and try to find an alternate route with better conditions. There are times when the Highway Patrol will set up at the foot of a pass during a bad storm, and stop all traffic and they MAY require ALL vehicles, including 4 wheel drive cars and pickups to chain up before proceeding. You get used to it. It's just the way life is in those mountains.
i drive 4 wheeler in the snow. new york state upstate. drove in ice storms white outs etc. i use clutch and ease it back in slowly. break easy, never tailgate. never drive fast on snow. don't drive at night in country. i am 66 years old.
Same age as me Billy. Since retiring I've adopted sum new personal rules. Try 2 time my drive to arrive well before dark. Were it not oh dark hundred right now 0533 I'd head 4 a favorite breakfast joint. Plus they NOT open at 0425. I awoke ur video is playing. Jan28 *Loved small town places since I was younger. Wallace/Bonners Ferry ID Red Lodge MT. Charlies Produce just went by. Cant find Mister T's phone #. RATS*
Only if you don't know what you are doing. Ego can also be a good thing, means you don't put yourself in a bad situation out of fear. Everything is good in moderation.
Yes sir you said at the end of the video you are professional driver...well you are and you should be the leader ...probably you will be a trainer for snow driving.......
damn I watch a lot of your videos in this one u sound either like you're on something or youre just plain crazy!!. I'm a new otr driver ( only experience is small tanker trucks) but I don't play when it comes to weather or downgrades. I don't want to be responsible for taking anyone's life by my wrong move or even worse theirs!!
Looks like your just playing the video faster to make it look like your going faster than you really are and also doing a voice over after having recorded it
Hey Stefan.. I wish I was that good at editing.. but alas... I am not. sorry to disappoint you but this is the real deal. IF you look at my other videos you will see I do not play by the rules..
Watching some vintage Mountain Mike the diesel Maniac Madman back when he was still using the F-bomb dropping them f-bombs Mikey's carpet bombing Iraq LOL more like carpet bombing. JOOTUBE
Reason for this way of driving irresponsibly is due to not owning the truck, right like who gives a shit. But if it was truly your truck, it would be like driving Miss Daisy
Yeah because surviving isn't important... Also, not owning the truck is ever more reason to be careful as you would be fired for reckless endangerment of THEIR truck and then ditching it. If it's your truck then you only pay for repairs. If it's not your truck you pay with your job and a bad rep.
I don't know I'm watching the video think he's going too fast what's your Rush I'm listening to him the weather makes the road dangerous they can be iced up under the snow all you have to do is hit a patch of ice and you gone over that mountain that you flying down who the speed limit 60 if I can see clear I can do 60 C watch me do 60 Keep On Truckin baby but I think you a fool
I know you’re a professional driver but remember other drivers are not like you I was a truck driver for 15 years driving on ice or snow you have to adjust speed according to conditions but that’s just me because my family it’s waiting for me God blessed you bro!
Probably the best driver on utube, don't care for the foul language,kids may be watching.
Great video! You are amazing really very daring! I have a question.... How do you descend a long mountain similar to the one in your video 6 to 8 percent with a "tanker trailer, set a doubles" carrying crude oil 100,000 pounds? You put out your chains on but my understanding is you NEVER apply your j-brakes. How do you descend nice and easy? You cannot use control breaking because of the liquid surge can affect the handling if your combination vehicle. So, I would really appreciate any suggestions you can provide, thank you so much!!
Nice Driving skills Michael, way to go ,be safe though, don't tempt it too much! Nonetheless, you do say that you have quite a few years of mountain driving and it shows!! Take care, Peace!!
Wow!! Never seen your camera in your lap before. It's the first time I've ever seen a 6yr. old video of yours. Fascinating!!!
As my dear old pops use to say" you got balls as big church bells " the way you drive brother.
Great driving skills! Great advise. Thank you for sharing
slow and steady wins the race :)
you need to drive with them ice road truckers.you gots the skills to do it.as always be safe stay warm and God Bless!!!!
I must confess, after watching this video, that it's one of the spectacular snow road journey that I have not witnessed earlier. Much appreciated for all your time, efforts and money in capturing this wonderful and excellent scenic view. May God bless you with all happiness, prosperity, good health and longevity!!! Best regards, Nassa
J aimes se travail
Comment arrivé au Canada et travailler
Mike...you loved the t=bomb when you started out. Nice adjustment.
Thank you so much for letting me ride shot gun with you. I have enjoyed everything you have talked about. You are a awesome driver, you sure know your stuff on keeping the truck on the road. Thank You so much. Stay safe.
I drove truck for 30 years and i have seen a lot of idiot drivers trucks and 4 wheelers. thank you for your commitment to serving the American people.
Nice ride. So beautiful. It's nice to be the passenger and enjoy this beautiful view. Thanks for sharing.
This a cool ride. Thank you for sharing. Yes, I would be the person driving really slow gripping the wheel. I don't know how to drive in the snow. lol
Love the rumble, growl and snarl of the truck diesel in this video. Much better than your previous videos. I drove in the snow in Colorado for 15 years in my younger days. You can get going but stopping and controlling speed is what its all about. I worry more about who is around me in the snow like you do.
Absolutely Anant.. it's the other drivers that scare me not the weather the snow the hills nothing..
Too fast, don't care how confident or experienced you are. Gave you a thumbs up for the Keurig, I had one on my truck too and it sure was a comfort!
cool video man, but, i live in canada, drive in snow 7 months a year, been 30 years and sometimes I still get freaked out in certain really nasty stuff. Im not a truck driver but people SHOULD be scared if they have no experience, especially if they are from nice sunny texas and they see a semi barrelling down on them in the rear view mirror. The only thing that helps you in those conditions is experience not some special courage you have, NOT lack of fear. Please don't tell people - don't be scared, just relax and do it...its a problem if you make it a problem- comon man...you said you were driving there/that road for 17 years, come drive an unknown road in those conditions up here, you will be taking it realllllll easy and sweating it also. Cool video though.
Rafal Luszcz. thanks for the pos.. I have not driven this road for 17 years.. just 8 -9 months of winter for that long stricktly in the mountains.. I was just encouraging people to relax because they undoughtably will be terrified and super slow as a natural response.. I am just saying to do the best you can to stay calm as possible.. that all.. but thanks for the input
@@ridingshotgun1251 dont let the BRBR rattle you man they drive in dirt only.
Ur the only trucker out there. Your good, dude.
“A man cannot be comfortable without his own approval.” Mark Twain
Love that. ☮️
I had drivers hired on my trucks in Alaska, one thing that pissed me off was hearing the old line; "the shoulder sucked me into the ditch"! My answer? Shoulders are Set Points, They Do Not Move! Trucks Move, where ever the WHEELS ARE POINTED!!🤐🤐
I love how you sound more like truckers I know in these older videos haha
15:20
I think he dropped most of the profanity because of "community guidelines" on youtube/google.
pretty cool videos. wish i had the oppurtunity to experience some wimter weather like that!! we never get snow like that. keep posting more videos!!! love them
I like the way you break to desired speed before the curve. I don't believe you mention it -- you do it naturally without thinking. That's one way to survive a winter drive here in Colorado. I love driving 145 from Delores up to Lizard Head, but in the glorious summertime. Stay safe out there friend.
Wath kind of tires are you using, ill guess its winter tires,sure not the normal "summer" tires used on other trucks. You would do great on norwegian winterroads.
My ex was a truck driver for over 30 years even he made mistakes. And I rode with him for several months at a time and he was an amazing driver. But I have seen many truckers who keep going and don't pull over even though they're tired. Especially living in Texas having to drive on the country roads were there oil rigs are and their fracking most of those guys are on substance to keep them going with a lot of dangerous driving. So I'm glad you follow the rules but I can tell you not all truck drivers do.
There is several factors in this winter driving that he's doing. 1 he lives in that part of the country and has been driving in that kind of weather for 20 years. 2 more than likely he has been down this way many many times. 3 it depends on your weight the more weight the better. And one must remember when you're in this neck of the woods they get a dry snow not a wet snow. The speed limit signs from what I could see were for summer or winter. When it says 60 miles an hour one must go by road conditions. The four-wheeler may have hit a slick spot and scooted off the road that does not make him an idiot. For newcomers learning to drive in this kind of weather it pays to be very cautious it takes couple years to really get it pat down and sometimes being a little scared maybe a good idea. Try to always keep one side have your tractor and trailer on dry portion of road our we're you can see it has already been traveled on. I'm not taking away from his experience he is doing a good job but like I said it takes time be cautious. Me myself I drove for over 40 years I hope this has helped any newcomers good luck 😂
Gary Sicemore ..it’s ALL ABOUT RESPECT. Respect the conditions and drive ‘ conservatively’, not just only HOW you feel...
Good driving stay safe...
I'm class A driver being through this...but I will say you are soo professional that your pairs won't compete snow driving like you do ...
I love this video, have it playing in the background right now without sound. Great job please keep up.
It's not the going fast, it's the stopping that kills you.
Thanks for the ride along. What cam r u using?
I wouldn't feel comfortable at that speed in that truck - do you have chains on? Just trying to understand how you feel comfortable at that speed on that road.
Yeaa..Co favourite spot as i do..You also moving fast on slick road..😏😏
i love winter, so your video is so amazing too me because the snow
I drive the highway through hell four times a year and two of those times end up being in the winter coming and going and I passed semis doing 50 km an hour I've passed semis doing 40 on these roads
We want to thank you for having us SHOTGUN... awesome dude, keep posting your videos please... we love traveling with you... my little brother says thank you and please be very careful... God bless you.
There are more planes in the ocean, than submarines in the sky!
The air gets pretty thin at 13,000 feet, doesn't it?
I love trucking In cold weather and bad rainstorms! Thanks for sharing. Do you have any truck videos of being in the sleeper during a storm. That always reminded me of camping bad weather.
That snow build up would not stop your 30 ton truck. The force you generate upon impact would push right through that barrier. Slow the hell down.
What a great video. Thanks
what is the worst road you have ever driven?
Well I never thought of it but that's a really good question.. I think one of the trickiest ones is Douglas pass which I do have filmed.. one of the most dangerous one was Wolf Creek Pass.. Westside.. westbound after they bladed it. started to jackknife but was able to recover.. then there was a time between Kenosha pass and Fairplay CO.. I was hauling an empty trailer and there was super strong winds with snow blowing across the highway cars being blown off and I made it through with no incident that was absolutely amazing but that was a definite white-knuckle..
@@ridingshotgun1251 Thank you for answering back, I use to drive, did it for 16 years had to give it up, I love your videos, almost feels as if I am there
I am petrified driving in the snow, torrential downpours and on scary roads at night. All the reasons I don’t drive during those times.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
8 am Sunday Sept 19, 2021 Getting myself ready for RIDING SHOTGUN 2021-22 winter videos. Meanwhile back at the ranch still late summer here in Western Colorado. SEE YA
U got chains on there, bro?
OMG this guy sure does love himself, foul mouth too.
What do you think about a new driver starting in the winter otr
Russell The Rawman Start slow and take your time.
he seems quite proud of himself.dont matter how good you are on the road of the road in the blink of an eye and some talk a lot when their nervous.
Beautiful.
Looks slick, be careful.
Love the snow
This guy is driving bit too fast if you ask me
@Anthony Frank back to school
your -> you're
Oh and the Liquide I carry is 300 degrees below zero cold. So imagine what that would do for the highway?
I live in the mountains, you are driving way too fast for the conditions!!!!
Did he crash? No?
Did he endanger anyone? Not that i could see.
Is he still alive? YES.
Has he been doing this for over 20 years? Yes!
Is he driving too fast for the conditions? NO, he's moderating his speed based on the conditions unlike most other drivers who keep the same speed at all times and makes hard love with the brake pedal as soon as their vehicle steps out of line.
Leave the mountains, you are not suited for them.
He is running too fast
I bought a hand press k cup from Amazon for off the grid occasions when I need coffee.
Lots of bragging and boasting going on here by "Mister Truck Driver".
Going way too fast on that. Hit a frost heave at that speed and it's over the guardrail and into the canyon.
If he was an independent driving his own rig, he wouldn't put the hammer down under those conditions.
If he's driving for an outfit, and the owners see this video, he's probably out of a job.
Leon Allan Davis
I drive this hwy all the time.. there are no frost heaves where I'm driving on this hwy.. don't speculate.
My trailer costs 300.000.00 so I’m going to be as safe as possible and if that means stopping that’s what I’m going to do. There is a thing called driving to fast for conditions. Your day will come thinking your all that. I do carry chains but I don’t chain up. I’ve been driving for 30yrs. So stay safe truck drivers.
Don't know what part of the country you operate in but if you drive in Colorado in winter, when the chain law is in effect due to the current conditions on whatever road you're wanting to travel, mostly the mountain passes YOU WILL CHAIN UP, or you'll get yourself a nice big fine, if you're caught trying to proceed without them, or you'll sit and wait for conditions to improve, or you'll try to find a way to turn around and try to find an alternate route with better conditions. There are times when the Highway Patrol will set up at the foot of a pass during a bad storm, and stop all traffic and they MAY require ALL vehicles, including 4 wheel drive cars and pickups to chain up before proceeding. You get used to it. It's just the way life is in those mountains.
beautiful places
3:09 Your speed in the snow is too fast! How is your speed in normal weather lol
I won't ask you to pull over due to weather and road conditions but I am bailing here. Something upset you this trip. I ll be praying for you.
How fast are you going
i drive 4 wheeler in the snow. new york state upstate. drove in ice storms white outs etc. i use clutch and ease it back in slowly. break easy, never tailgate. never drive fast on snow. don't drive at night in country. i am 66 years old.
Same age as me Billy. Since retiring I've adopted sum new personal rules. Try 2 time my drive to arrive well before dark. Were it not oh dark hundred right now 0533 I'd head 4 a favorite breakfast joint. Plus they NOT open at 0425. I awoke ur video is playing. Jan28 *Loved small town places since I was younger. Wallace/Bonners Ferry ID Red Lodge MT. Charlies Produce just went by. Cant find Mister T's phone #. RATS*
Well sir then I must say u are one hell of a driver lol
it's fake because he is fast forwarding it
Awesome snowy ride not to happy about your language but ??? I can go ride some wbere else.
Looks like their cheap with the sand, n salt dwn there.
quit critizing people who do not drive in that stuff everyday.
And your Volvo make it smoother
Ego's going to kill someone....
Only if you don't know what you are doing. Ego can also be a good thing, means you don't put yourself in a bad situation out of fear.
Everything is good in moderation.
Winter Wonderland is slogan for Michigan
PROFESSIONAL OR NOT YOU CAN STILL HAVE AN ACCIDENT!!!!! REMEMBER THAT!!!!
You're too loud
Go. Go. Go ..... 😎👏🏾🇺🇸👏🏾👏🏾
Please stop using the f word. I am a NZ female and I like watching your programs as a travelogue. I know I will never be able to tour your country.
I'd luv to meet you and maybe get a photo of its alright
weirdo
@@blast4me754 Sez you Mister Explosive BM. *So when you change your shorts do you pullem off or PEEL THEM/SCRAPE EM OFF???*
I love your videos but this is the first one with gutter talk...ruins a good video
Agreed this is the only one I down voted for the way he talked.
what happened to your language???? I enjoyed your other videos because you weren't using trucker gutter language! :(
some drivers now gas with one foot and brake with the other, bad I think
this is an old video,,,the difference in your camera is noticeable,,,its bouncing all over and you seem to be going fast,,,making me car sick lol....
Lol 23 degrees is not even close to hot, or warm! That be COLD!
That exhaust is full
no ego there
Yes sir you said at the end of the video you are professional driver...well you are and you should be the leader ...probably you will be a trainer for snow driving.......
i drove loveland pass before eisenhower tunnels came on line 1973
Loveland pass is required for any truck hauling hazmat. Just drove over it this week. Wouldn't really want to do it in bad conditions though.
damn I watch a lot of your videos in this one u sound either like you're on something or youre just plain crazy!!. I'm a new otr driver ( only experience is small tanker trucks) but I don't play when it comes to weather or downgrades. I don't want to be responsible for taking anyone's life by my wrong move or even worse theirs!!
You need to teach other truckers how to drive in the snow!
balls of steel
COMPLAIN COMPLAIN COMPLAIN!!!!!
Yes, that is all you seem to do. STFU
Nice
Slow Down the video speed
kobe arama i did.. it was slowed to actual speed ty very much..
Looks like your just playing the video faster to make it look like your going faster than you really are and also doing a voice over after having recorded it
Hey Stefan.. I wish I was that good at editing.. but alas... I am not. sorry to disappoint you but this is the real deal. IF you look at my other videos you will see I do not play by the rules..
Hell yea this shit is fake .
Violent Rooster please..
Lol
this guy is dangerous,
need to stuo and get a cup of cence
I SURE HOPE OTHER PEOPLE ARE WATCHING THIS GUY HE IS NOT A SAFE DRIVER!!!!!
10:54 damn
Baddd carrrmaaa dude.... You can sure drive though just knock on some wood now and then for those kid's of yours
Watching some vintage Mountain Mike the diesel Maniac Madman back when he was still using the F-bomb dropping them f-bombs Mikey's carpet bombing Iraq LOL more like carpet bombing. JOOTUBE
thars why truckers wreck so much truckers drive to fast
youre a experienced driver but when you brag about it you are a bore
Reason for this way of driving irresponsibly is due to not owning the truck, right like who gives a shit. But if it was truly your truck, it would be like driving Miss Daisy
Yeah because surviving isn't important...
Also, not owning the truck is ever more reason to be careful as you would be fired for reckless endangerment of THEIR truck and then ditching it.
If it's your truck then you only pay for repairs. If it's not your truck you pay with your job and a bad rep.
I don't know I'm watching the video think he's going too fast what's your Rush I'm listening to him the weather makes the road dangerous they can be iced up under the snow all you have to do is hit a patch of ice and you gone over that mountain that you flying down who the speed limit 60 if I can see clear I can do 60 C watch me do 60 Keep On Truckin baby but I think you a fool
Too fast.... one case of understeer and you're down the cliff. Hit some at that speed and you're going to take them with you.