Here's what most people aren't understanding, first and foremost if NASCAR was to discriminate or retaliate to either FRM or 23X1 for the suite, that is absolutely illegal to do on any level and would hold far worse consequences than the suite itself. And this stand against Corp NASCAR is decades past due. And good luck and kudos to FRM and 23X1.
Seems like a perfect time for another group to start a new racing series. The fans prefer short track racing, and there are hundreds of those tracks available to rent.
And NASCAR puts on terrible racing with the gen 7 on short tracks, a true big league alternative with good short track racing would be so much more entertaining.
What's up with every week most drivers have a different sponsor on the car. Martin used to be Valvoline Earnhardt was Goodwrench Rusty was Miller lite Kyle Petty was mellow yellow and so on
If all the cup drivers choose to race xfinity series also, I think the fans would rather watch the cup drivers all race in xfininty because the cars are faster and have. Enter racing.
Nike and Jordan against NASCAR who do you think is gonna win really Hamlin Lena credit probably ain’t 200,000 he’s a joke this is about Jordan against NASCAR
I like the stage racing but let's not have a caution between stages ,teams count on this to make big changes to their cars have pit stops under green .
Lets look back at what happened with AFL/ NFL, ABA/NBA, AL and NL, Formula 1/ Indy car? THey had a rough time when they formed, but with rich owners, were able to force the more established sports league's hand, a divorce and new racing league will kill NASCAR and the France family, remember, they tout their huge new TV contract, but they are on second rate cable and streaming stations, and rarely on over the air channels, which is looking like they are heading for the same future I've seen happen to boxing, horse racing and MLB in my 65 yrs. All were big time sports in the 50s and 60s and are now niche sports on "pay per view", baseball and NHL recently learned how small their TV audience was as people "cut the cord" and they've lost the forced revenue they were able to blackmail cable aand satellite systems to pay them for 3 decades with "packages" . There are plenty of independent tracks out there that would love to get races with Kyle Busch, Jimmy Johnson, Chase ELliott, Stenhouse, Danika, even Truax lured to them to race with more money than they are getting from NASCAR, on weekend races and others.
Nascar is not forcing anyone to race a car on a track that they lease to hold a race. Showing up to a race is voluntary. I pulling for Nascar on this issue.
Idk anything about this so I’m not gonna say who’s right and wrong. But why does it not surprised me Denny Hams is in the middle of some drama? 😂 I thank all the NASCAR teams for putting on a helluva show every week for us fans. Hope this gets resolved and both teams can move on. Lots of hard working men and women at both I’m sure.
Government will force NASCAR to sell the tracks. This will allow for new race series.. however, profits will go down for all, salaries will go down for all
Idk if they have a case but I hope so. I hate the grip NASCAR has on racing. Possibility of any competing series is slim to none because if NASCAR doesn't already own the track outright, they have the track ownership by the neck, and without new venues there'll be no competing series.
All their ridiculous rules seems to run a screen for there biases and chances for self enrichment. I would like to see this business bought by a true race car enthusiasts! That believe that teams can build a car using their natural god given talents . If you can build a faster car and have a better driver you don’t need a chastity belt or a throttle collar
Bottom Line.... Another example of Government getting involved in private enterprise... Who forces the teams to spend all that cash on a team, then complain about making money
@@rodneyharouff5739 Privately owned companies that dominate a market can be subject to legal action if their practices harm competition. Monopolization itself isn’t illegal, but it becomes a legal issue when a company uses its dominance to engage in anti-competitive behavior.
Judge will say no one is making you participate. You are free to go elsewhere. With that said, I don't agree with charters, stage racing, etc. Nascar needs to go back to their roots of what got them where they started.
Agrees but if Hamlin and Wallace could drive, this wouldn't be an issue......change isn't bad but it needs to be done for the right reasons. Hamlin is mad because he hasn't won a championship.
The next gen NASCAR cars are hot garbage. Too many drivers getting injured. I'm done with them. Go back to the old car. Xfinity series racing is so much better.
The drivers need to remember how they have multi-million dollar estates, jets, yachts etc. I don’t feel sorry for them, the hell with the teams that feel under compensated.
Personal injury attorneys will flock to the remainder of cup races to sue NASCAR if an accident occurs. Dale Sr would be shaking his head about Denny acting like a little b****.
Bull. NASCAR basically made this crappy new car to placate new teams like 23XI and then they just turn around and sue because they don't like the way it's going. I hate to say it but NASCAR was better before Michael Jordan got involved in this sport. Go back to owning crappy NBA teams and stay out of my sport.
That's a pretty ignorant comment and shoes your level of knowledge. So you probably think it's fair to the team's, sponsors, fans and that were robbed of potential finishes and earning cause the couldn't drive this shit car back to the pits on flat tires and were relegated to dnf's?
This sports been dying for the past 15 years and in large part that’s due to the France family and their shitty decisions they’re implemented, whether it be the car, the stupid stage breaks in races, the shitty playoff system, and much more. And all those decisions were made by nascar with no input from the teams. I believe the people that make this sport what it is (the teams, drivers, ETC) should have a say in how this sport is run, and should receive a bigger slice of the pie, because without them there is no nascar.
Jordan ain't crap in my book. This is nascar not bowling. Jordan and denny are just greedy as heck. No room for either of them greedy bastards in nascar. I hope the lose and I hope they leave never to return. They can go buy themselves a bowling team. Something they know.
Also the way your praising Jordan you can haul your butt on down the road with them. This is what happens when you let spoiled greedy people into your club. They start wanting to change everything to benefit themselves. I pray the judge throws the lawsuit out. Especially since everone else played ball and signed the contract. Piss on 2311
@@joelriemersma730 hes trying to make more money for himself. Why doesnt he leave the series then? Nascar already chose Mexico over Richmond, they are done
@@lesscobrandon6803The only reason NASCAR still exists is because these team owners have been willing to operate at a loss out of a “love for the sport”. Let’s see if your opinion changes when Hendrick, Penske, or Gibbs finally decide that they’ve had enough
A employer can not retaliate if a employee sues them if they still work there , In a way Nascar is a employer but then maybe not if you gotta pay to pay to play, I'm sure there is a lawthat protects 23 racing from retaliation. Nascar went to shit more about the money then fans or drivers
The former Bull has the balls of one!
Here's what most people aren't understanding, first and foremost if NASCAR was to discriminate or retaliate to either FRM or 23X1 for the suite, that is absolutely illegal to do on any level and would hold far worse consequences than the suite itself. And this stand against Corp NASCAR is decades past due. And good luck and kudos to FRM and 23X1.
Did you mention that NASCAR said if you sign this you can’t sue NASCAR?
I think the biggest mistake that the RTA made was not to make itself a union. We wouldn't have these issues if the RTA had the balls to unionize.
unions destroy businesses. Just look at General Motors. Went bankrupt. Took a taxpayer bailout to keep them in business.
Time for a change with Nascar's "good ol boy" attitude and the gov or judge hopefully changes something.
I hope that the rest of the teams go on board with Jordan . It will force Nascar hands .
They all signed the contract, which has a clause in there that they can not sue Nascar for anti trust issues. I wish more teams would have held out.
If I were nascar, I would shut down every track before I would give them a dime.
MJ and FRM ARE HISTORY.
Why did Nascar say in the contract if you sign this you can’t sue us pet Herman ?
Seems like a perfect time for another group to start a new racing series. The fans prefer short track racing, and there are hundreds of those tracks available to rent.
And NASCAR puts on terrible racing with the gen 7 on short tracks, a true big league alternative with good short track racing would be so much more entertaining.
What's up with every week most drivers have a different sponsor on the car. Martin used to be Valvoline Earnhardt was Goodwrench Rusty was Miller lite Kyle Petty was mellow yellow and so on
Some sponsors are there all year.Others are not.That's why you see different sponsorship on the cars sometimes.
like you said MJ is bigger than nascar. suit filed in NC. take the points and the goat
Michael Jordan is not gonna lose against the drug addict like Like drug addict, France Tom has passed them all by including Hendrick and Childress
nascar will retaliate without a doubt nascar thinks it's their way or the highway
If all the cup drivers choose to race xfinity series also, I think the fans would rather watch the cup drivers all race in xfininty because the cars are faster and have. Enter racing.
Nike and Jordan against NASCAR who do you think is gonna win really Hamlin Lena credit probably ain’t 200,000 he’s a joke this is about Jordan against NASCAR
I agree Xfinity is still real NASCAR
These teams will have a hard time passing inspections....glad someone is finally calling Nascars bluff....👍🏁
The drivers once tried to form a union and the France family stomped them out.
There goes the championship lol if there was to be one
Racing at any level takes $$ No one in racing is in it to make $$ its for the trophy...Nascar is a rich mans hobby
I like the stage racing but let's not have a caution between stages ,teams count on this to make big changes to their cars have pit stops under green .
They can always start their own Stock Car Association.
Lets look back at what happened with AFL/ NFL, ABA/NBA, AL and NL, Formula 1/ Indy car? THey had a rough time when they formed, but with rich owners, were able to force the more established sports league's hand, a divorce and new racing league will kill NASCAR and the France family, remember, they tout their huge new TV contract, but they are on second rate cable and streaming stations, and rarely on over the air channels, which is looking like they are heading for the same future I've seen happen to boxing, horse racing and MLB in my 65 yrs. All were big time sports in the 50s and 60s and are now niche sports on "pay per view", baseball and NHL recently learned how small their TV audience was as people "cut the cord" and they've lost the forced revenue they were able to blackmail cable aand satellite systems to pay them for 3 decades with "packages" . There are plenty of independent tracks out there that would love to get races with Kyle Busch, Jimmy Johnson, Chase ELliott, Stenhouse, Danika, even Truax lured to them to race with more money than they are getting from NASCAR, on weekend races and others.
Nascar is not forcing anyone to race a car on a track that they lease to hold a race. Showing up to a race is voluntary. I pulling for Nascar on this issue.
Idk anything about this so I’m not gonna say who’s right and wrong. But why does it not surprised me Denny Hams is in the middle of some drama? 😂 I thank all the NASCAR teams for putting on a helluva show every week for us fans. Hope this gets resolved and both teams can move on. Lots of hard working men and women at both I’m sure.
this'll have an interesting outcome i'm sure
Government will force NASCAR to sell the tracks. This will allow for new race series.. however, profits will go down for all, salaries will go down for all
maybe somebody needs to start a rival racin' organization.
What do they hope to gain from this? I'm not being a smartass, I just haven't really been following this.
Money and having a voice
Well when these guys form there own "NASCAR" I guess they can run on the beach, there will be no tracks for them !!
Going to make a miss of Nascar
Idk if they have a case but I hope so. I hate the grip NASCAR has on racing. Possibility of any competing series is slim to none because if NASCAR doesn't already own the track outright, they have the track ownership by the neck, and without new venues there'll be no competing series.
All their ridiculous rules seems to run a screen for there biases and chances for self enrichment.
I would like to see this business bought by a true race car enthusiasts!
That believe that teams can build a car using their natural god given talents .
If you can build a faster car and have a better driver you don’t need a chastity belt or a throttle collar
Bottom Line.... Another example of Government getting involved in private enterprise... Who forces the teams to spend all that cash on a team, then complain about making money
SHR will be next. Don’t underestimate Smoke.
Why would he do that? He's already announced that he is out of Nascar.
They are out, no need. They disbanded because the owners are preoccupied with other stuff like F1 and NHRA.
I've thought that before. They're not done 😂
Thanks for the update! Great live Charlie!
is nascar a private or public corp.? or how exactly is it classified business wise?
they are a private corp.
@@jjmckay6man1 thanks! i reckon they can make the rules since it's private & if ya don't like it, leave. i guess.
@@rodneyharouff5739 Privately owned companies that dominate a market can be subject to legal action if their practices harm competition. Monopolization itself isn’t illegal, but it becomes a legal issue when a company uses its dominance to engage in anti-competitive behavior.
Michael Jordan made Nike what it is today. He could do the same for NASCAR.
Michael Jordan suing anyone and calling them a bully is about as rich as it gets.
34:59 I just did...
Good talk
2024 the year of reckoning! 3 months left, buckle up!
Charlie, how was things in Peoria
My home town😮
Holy moley!
Judge will say no one is making you participate. You are free to go elsewhere. With that said, I don't agree with charters, stage racing, etc. Nascar needs to go back to their roots of what got them where they started.
Agrees but if Hamlin and Wallace could drive, this wouldn't be an issue......change isn't bad but it needs to be done for the right reasons.
Hamlin is mad because he hasn't won a championship.
Can you at least adjust the video title to say who's speaking for these? that it's you, or Mast, or Kenny, please?
I wish Jordan would just start a rival series
Same, shame that NASCAR bought ARCA, ARCA with SMI tracks plus Rockingham would be a popular series.
The next gen NASCAR cars are hot garbage. Too many drivers getting injured. I'm done with them. Go back to the old car. Xfinity series racing is so much better.
I like the stages. Reminds me of Saturday night at the bull ring. We got 2 heat races (stage 1 & 2) and the feature.
whose charlie marlow lol
Why are these dudes so preoccupied with dennys pants? Sounds like they have a crush.
About time!
He is pathetic
The drivers need to remember how they have multi-million dollar estates, jets, yachts etc. I don’t feel sorry for them, the hell with the teams that feel under compensated.
Personal injury attorneys will flock to the remainder of cup races to sue NASCAR if an accident occurs. Dale Sr would be shaking his head about Denny acting like a little b****.
I too like stage racing.
One of the few things they have gotten right in the past 15 years.
NASCAR and its owners conspired to keep Bubba Wallace out of the playoffs!
Bull. NASCAR basically made this crappy new car to placate new teams like 23XI and then they just turn around and sue because they don't like the way it's going. I hate to say it but NASCAR was better before Michael Jordan got involved in this sport. Go back to owning crappy NBA teams and stay out of my sport.
That's a pretty ignorant comment and shoes your level of knowledge. So you probably think it's fair to the team's, sponsors, fans and that were robbed of potential finishes and earning cause the couldn't drive this shit car back to the pits on flat tires and were relegated to dnf's?
@@therealfazethree860 austin dillon is the only one i seen robbed this year, aint watched since!!!
This sports been dying for the past 15 years and in large part that’s due to the France family and their shitty decisions they’re implemented, whether it be the car, the stupid stage breaks in races, the shitty playoff system, and much more. And all those decisions were made by nascar with no input from the teams. I believe the people that make this sport what it is (the teams, drivers, ETC) should have a say in how this sport is run, and should receive a bigger slice of the pie, because without them there is no nascar.
You’re the problem
This isn't your sport, Tim.
Jordan ain't crap in my book. This is nascar not bowling. Jordan and denny are just greedy as heck. No room for either of them greedy bastards in nascar. I hope the lose and I hope they leave never to return. They can go buy themselves a bowling team. Something they know.
Also the way your praising Jordan you can haul your butt on down the road with them. This is what happens when you let spoiled greedy people into your club. They start wanting to change everything to benefit themselves. I pray the judge throws the lawsuit out. Especially since everone else played ball and signed the contract. Piss on 2311
Don't mess with MTJ. He could buy NASCAR.
Denny is such a bad guy
Why, because he’s trying to change a system that is radically unfair to race teams?
@@joelriemersma730 hes trying to make more money for himself. Why doesnt he leave the series then? Nascar already chose Mexico over Richmond, they are done
@@lesscobrandon6803The only reason NASCAR still exists is because these team owners have been willing to operate at a loss out of a “love for the sport”. Let’s see if your opinion changes when Hendrick, Penske, or Gibbs finally decide that they’ve had enough
f Toyota
A employer can not retaliate if a employee sues them if they still work there , In a way Nascar is a employer but then maybe not if you gotta pay to pay to play, I'm sure there is a lawthat protects 23 racing from retaliation. Nascar went to shit more about the money then fans or drivers
NASCAR is not the employer