Hes got a lot of weird decisions that i wholly disagree with. Namely bad juju being bad because "we get supers back fast already". Yeah...so...? Running it with an armor exotic that gives you super regen makes it so disgustingly good its not even funny. It also is pretty good at ad clear. Like same with hard light. Piercing bullets is super good with how much enemy spam there is in seasonal events. Even crimson can be good in pve. Just because its not the best endgame weapon doesnt mean its bad...
@@everythingsalright1121 Some of the weapons he put in lower tiers are among (or just flat out are) the best weapons of their archetype, like Outbreak is one of, if not the, best pulse rifles in the game.
The 2 big things I disagree with are malfeasance and quicksilver, both of those exotic are starting to make a case for exotic primaries. Plus quicksilver is practically 3 weapons in 1 and it’s insane
I've been running Quicksilver for a while now, mostly a solo player, and it's a hell of a gun. The grenades DELETE tougher enemies, and they're super easy to get too
I lowkey hate using quicksilver, gun is great, I wish there was a different way to swap to nades, I hold my reload button for a half a second too long and suddenly I lost my primary lol. Skill issue but its the truth 😂
Yes, but you also have to remember that double special is the meta this season, I use the navigator in my strand build 100% of the time personally I can see why it’s better, of course quicksilver has the built in grenade launcher but navigator (being a trace rifle, trace rifles got a massive buff this season and also it’s incredibly easy to get) and also that new exotic helm that buffs trace rifles (which isn’t that hard to get either just do legend lost sectors) it’s easy to see why so many more people use it and why it is indeed better Edit* forgot to mention artifact mods making strand even more cracked this season synerging with the navigator better than quicksilver
@@lawrencewang3327 the boosts are exactly my point, you make it out like picking up a couple collectibles or doing it on master (especially with the constant bugs/glitches happening) is that hard, what I am hearing is a massive skill issue if you can’t do that my friend
Crimson with lucky pants builds a crazy amount of damages in no time, heals you, and reloads itself to use the full 10s buff. It's very specific, but definitly a strong choice for some niche usecases.
Conditional Finality is without a doubt one of the best exotics! Freeze and Ignition at the same time?! CRACKLE AND KABOOM! Just put on armor that looks like DoomGuy and use Strand for Grapple... RIP AND TEAR!
Sky burners shouldn’t be in why tier but in C tier. It instrinsically does extra damage to cabal and shoots through their shields, plus scorch etc. Don’t underestimate it
I'd say Parasite/Grand overture could be higher simply due to how valuable they are to Farming Atrax in DSC and in situations where you simply need a thing to not exist ASAP. aside from that, solid solid list imo. Travelers Chosen *IF* you need abilities up after a class swap is nice, but thats so rare its not worth it usually
Skyburners is cable for solar builds and Verglas Curve is quite good for stasis builds. Both should be at least c in my opinion since they both have their uses
Crimson is great in mid content for the infinite ammo and healing. Edit: Polaris with the catalyst is amazing for ad clear and this season it weakens and gives armor charges from a distance too. Very good.
Skyburners and Monte are super slept on. Aztecross has a video that explains Skyburners utility but the way it invalidates the shield mechanics in Proving Grounds GM is the only purpose it needs to have
Verglass curve in why tier? I see this bow used more than many of those C-tier weapons. The gun does its job right to make crystals consistently; it at least deserves a C-tier.
Agree. And most of why it may be underwhelming is just how behind Stasis is trailing the other classes. With a Stasis buff to put it in par with 3.0, I think it'd be a lot more usable
I agree with a lot of this, but there are some super questionable things in the why tier. I mean , have you used heartshadow or devils ruin? Salvations grip and chaperone also have done interesting damage rotations
I feel in a month when the double special bug is fixed/nerfed this list will look very, very different. That said, its criminal that Quicksilver is so low. Its a solid auto rifle with nano trace rockets which are buffed this season and a FREE grenade launcher that doesn't require special ammo and creates tangles...
I didn't think the quicksilver had the rockets buffed? Pretty sure the nano tracer rocket buff from the seasonal artifact is only for the neomuna legendary weapons. I'm sure quicksilver storm fires micro rockets, which are different to the nano tracer ones...I could be wrong, I just thought this to be the case
I was under the impression the artifact buffed them but only because it says it in the description. So if anyone can solidly clarify that it would be appreciated. After reading your reply I'm inclined to go with your explanation
Devil's Ruin is a heavy weapon disguised as a primary, and with holster mods, it gets full damage off of one ammo regen. Probably one of the best dps backup weapons.
@@justenbeashel hard to say. Polaris isn’t “truly” intrinsic unstop as it’s not really the weapon that’s stunning the champion it’s an ignition cause by the perk. Because I know that if you have a champion mod on a weapon with voltshot, the voltshot will cease to stun overload champions and only prioritize the champion mod.
You have no idea how much I wish Symmetry was good. It feels absolutely phenomenal as a 260 scout rifle (which Wicked Implement really should have been) and the altfire is still decent for basic ad clear, but with the existence of Quicksilver Storm, Polaris Lance, etc, it is so far gone. Giving the altfire access to Arc 3.0 verbs would make it so much better. Maybe at 10 stacks, the altfire will blind targets, and at 20 stacks (which requires the catalyst), the altfire will additionally jolt for further ad clear.
if u know what ur doing while making builds u would be mindblown about the fact that solid 40% of all exo weapons are S+. Tommys matchbook for example is an insane combo with phoenix protocol, healing grenade and ember of empyrian. basically infinite wells and constant healing. My favorite Solar Warlock PvE Build for endgame and gms
100% agree. I recently stopped caring much about raids and metas and just started to have just fun and build craft and test them out in all type of content and doing so made me realise how much some exotics are underappreciated for what can be achieve with them...but then ig he's taking "userfriendliness" into account. Also, the vid is from last season and many of those weapons feel a lot more powerful and useful. Take Polaris Lance for instance...Its currently one of the best exos when soloing GMs due to the artifact favoring solar.
I'm sorry Above, I have to disagree with the two tailed fox placement. I recently got the catalyst and the absolute work it does to stun champs is enough to make it A tier, if not S. I was super not looking forward to using it, but after a handful of GMs and a vow, I can say it truely does it all and IS worth the exotic slot. Edit: Also discounted entirely the stunning capabilities of Salvations Grip smh. I know the system is relatively new, but you can't shit on one guy for saying anarchy is not deserved of S tier (an excellent compliment to double slugs, especially in a FT with a tractor) saying it's not like before and succumb to the exact same glaring issue.
Off topic here but yall need to look at the interation between heat rises, ember of searing, dawn chorus and a pugilist weapon(specifically the bxr with incandescent/pugilist) you pretty much have infinite melees
He threw the new exotic scout in the bottom Y tier when it’s the only LONG range weapon that can slow & freeze all champs & targets.. it has potential but only if you wanna sit back & do activities long range
@@AboveDestiny Yes, however even in those builds there are times where you'll find yourself caught out and need to wait for a cooldown to start the loop again. Alot of people like to use perks like Pugilist and Demolitionist for those reasons, however Monte Carlo's exotic perk goes beyond that because it doesn't require a kill to procc melee regen, can sometimes fully refund a melee charge upon a kill and also straight up has a better version of Swashbuckler built in. If you're not already running something like gjallarhorn, divinity or tractor cannon, I would fully recommend this exotic in any melee based build. I use it on solar hunter and void titan personally
@@freed2519The main "melee" builds in the game (solar titan, arc hunter) all benefit from *not* using Monte, and instead using tractor. Maybe when Monte gets a catalyst, it'll be great, but as it stands it's mediocre. (This is coming from someone who used to run Monte in GMs)
@@freed2519idk why you’re using it on solar hunter bc you can literally just dodge and get a melee back and void titans don’t have substantial melee abilities unless you’re doing peregrine shenanigans
had me till verglas curve in the "why" tier. you might want to specify that the "when" is important. meaning a lower level player will have a different need and a different experience of these weapons, yes? it all really depends on your level how you VALUE the weapons, yes? just a thought.
Tbh i think that exotic primaries are way better in end game content this season then yall give them credit for. All of the best heavy and special weapons are legendary. Which frees up your exotic slot for weapons that have better utility. The only time i run exotic heavy is when we do raid clears and im on div or gal. And then everyone else is on legendary linear or rokets.
I’m sorry for this essay, but Leviathan’s breath is S+, I think it’s the best general-use endgame exotic weapon. This is coming from someone that does day-1 guilded conqueror and duo raids. Each arrow does same damage as a base rocket, yet with archer’s tempo it shoots at almost 50 RPM. No weapon in this game can match the DPS of Levi’s breath without a dedicated damage scenario like Wolfpack rocket rotations, or acrius. That means that this weapon is the highest DPS weapon that you can take with you anywhere in the game. It has strong ease of use and ammo economy, making it a powerhouse in GMs, raids, and dungeons. Each normal scav brick gives 5-6 arrows, making it one of the highest damage-per-brick weapons in the game. It’s not tied to any exotic armor or mods. It kills GM champions in 2 shots with void overcharge and a debuff or surge. The bonuses that push it over-the-top are that it’s unstop and it’s prone to damage-glitching at high FPS. At 160+ FPS you can stun and kill Unstoppable champs in a single shot in Master raids. This weapon is not punishing if you miss crits. You still do about 80% damage if you miss crit. For light blade, we ran div-cenotaph, and 2 Levi’s. The part with the huge ogres, we spent 1-2 arrows each and just killed everything in 45 seconds, from safety. In boss room, we would div a champ/lucent, then instakill them with 1 Levi shot each, and we would gain ammo from this. Then we just used heavy on boss because we’d be full. Using auto to break barriers is no problem when you instakill them every time. Unlike wishender this weapon is god tier everywhere.
Outbreak is definitely S or top A. Specially if you run out of ammo in a raid situation. Also its amazing in GMs Whisper is actually really good now. At least B tier for now Stasis exotic bow should be at least be c or low b. It has potential in Stasis builds
Can't wait to see a remake of the list with the bus and stuff recently because devil's ruin is amazing and probably an s Plus here if I say so myself even though it doesn't have a catalyst because the laser can one shot people with full Shields and with using their super from my testing during trials and crucible and it just does massive critical damage because just one focused laser beam
I would like to recommend you to look at Tommy's on lorely titan and I'm pretty sure montes is amazing in melee builds btw I hate to ask but do you think sunshot will b good in pve after buff
I think polaris should be at least an A tier since it can put out some insane single target dps, potential champion stuns and explodes stuff everywhere. not to mention when we get AB scout its a versatile weapon for GMs
Yeah we had it pretty high, but I could definitely see it being higher on the list. Definitely a beast now after the auto buff at the start of the season.
Rat King in F tier should be considered a hate crime and I will not stand for this slander. Even without rat pack triggered or even building into the perks it’s at least high B tier, if you’re actually building into it rat king is S tier. If you have a single stack of rat pack it’s the best exotic primary and if you get the fabled 5 stacks of rat pack it’s flat out THE best weapon. People forget outside of rat pack it’s still an amazing gun, turns out built in devour, invis on kill, and hitting like a truck makes a really good weapon that makes you straight up immortal while there’s any red bars
If you want to know why it does so well on oryx, it's because he has a 1.5x crit multiplier. All precision weapons do more against orxy, so it's less whisper than you think, it's being lifted more by the crit buff
This seems pretty fair for the utility or power granted by slotting it. Some of the exotic primaries people love may be really good at killing red bars and even majors, but so is everything so it's not as valuable or impactful as something like witherhoard, div, or gjally. And the primaries that do make it into S teir have to be truly busted.
Bro, Tommy’s plus actium is so fun. Having a few ignitions per mag is insane. Plus easy restoration with bonk makes it much more viable. Just saying. Rest of the vid was mostly spot on lol
It's fun, but is it effective outside of at level content, hardly, take away anti barrier from the season and you're left with a mid tier weapon. Something can be and still be mediocre, sweet business is a prime example
Today I saw an over powered crimson lucky pants build that destroys everything and violates every boss and champion in one bullet and also you heal 40% hp per kill and get back your magazine after a precision kill and with a 4000% damage buff from all the buffs you have one I think it’s at least b tier
How dare you sir, Cerberus is and has always been the meta All kidding aside, it doesn't do anything epic but it's quite good. Crimson is also fantastic for both casual and even harder content, especially in a Lucky Pants build. The heals from Crimson actually can help on Hunter!
Talking about Destiny exotics. . . Can we talk about Whisper of the Worm real quick? I have no clue why Whisper is still in the power slot, hell I've no idea why it's still an exotic, especially considering Crota's End is back. For anyone who doesn't know, Whisper started it's life back in destiny 1 as The Black Hammer, a legendary sniper dropped from the Crota's End raid. It dropped with the (at the time) new perk, White Nail. Back then White Nail refunded ammo to the magazine without drawing from reserves, allowing you to shoot without loosing any ammo as long as you could land 3 headshots in a row over and over again. Bungie eventually sunset Black Hammer and replaced it in a later DLC with the exotic Black Spindle, the exact same gun, but now exotic. Fast forwarding to Destiny 2, Bungie moved all secondary weapons to the heavy/power slot, and are forcing players to use double primary weapons. With this in mind, Black Hammer/Black Spindle is added back into the game as Whisper of the Worm, now in the power slot. However, back then Whisper was one of the best DPS methods in the game, with most raid bosses standing still almost all the time. Bungie nerfs Whisper, taking white nail and turning it into the exact same thing as tripe-tap, completely removing the entire point it was turned into an exotic in the first place. Now we fast forward even further, and now secondary weapons are no longer stuck in the power slot. This leaves Whisper of the Worm as an exotic sniper rifle doing secondary weapon dmg in the power slot with an exotic perk that just boils down to triple tap. Why is it an exotic and why is it in the power slot?
I think it would be cool if they gave hardlight the elemental perks depending on what element it’s set on. Incandescent if it’s on solar, destable on void and voltshot on arc
I feel we need a redo now double special is all but dead. Also id argue Lament has been used in more damage strats than Xeno and would put Lament in S tier. Its a hard carry for solo flawless Duality and same with the first 2 encounters of Ghosts. Also Final Warning should be up in A tbh that thing is busted.
I think overall the rating is pretty good (im glad that quicksilver storm is in A and not in S cause I feel like people kinda overhype it and the other options in kinetic slot such as witherhoard, osteo etc. are way better). Altho I think some weapons dont deserve to be in "WHY" tier (= dont deserve to be on same tier as stuff like mida, manticore and other garbage, maybe separate tier?). Lorentz in full void build is both fun and solid option, it is still a linear fusion and with perk up + surges the dmg is actually pretty good (and its not that hard to proc the perk). Travelers chosen dmg is not bad, it can synergy with any build because of osmosis and can even further amplify ability spam which is the "current" meta in Destiny. Skyburner with Dawn chorus and schorch/ignition build is actually kinda fun way to deal with unstop champs and while niche, its solid pick for Proving grounds. Also I feel like many people (in chat) havent tried Revision Zero after the buffs - the dmg is actually pretty good (after all, Graviton was buffed to be on par with Revision and everyone is going "crazy" about Graviton yet neglect to mention Revision) and solid anti barr choice for people who get tired of using Wishender in any gm/activity with barr champs
Osteo is more overrated then quicksilver, with quicksilver the amount of damage you can do even in gms is honestly ridiculous and being able to one shot yellow bars that would usually take a full 50 bullets with just one rocket for just a primary weapon and getting the rockets are super easy and allows for more loadout freedom, with Osteo it’s a noob friendly weapon that’s it in a sandbox where ability uptime is so high having a build that relies on a primary for all your ad clearing is just kinda stupid. Osteo was meta in gms for two seconds cause the vorpal bug and that strand warlock build so overused and is garbage. And the point of quicksilver isn’t your usual primary use cases.
Graviton is drooled on because it has vorpal turnabout AND cosmology. Rev has vorpal and fTtC for pve? I didn't even do it's catalyst cause i hated the slogfest mission.
Oooh...if I only might show you, what can do titan exotic glaive with helm of saint-14...but it's very niche, I admit it. Although it's way more usable then people think. B or C tier can fit it well. Apparently if I would make an argument for weapons that I think you are wrong about, I need to write a god damn wall of text right here😅
@@AboveDestiny probably I am one of 5 people that have ever used this combo. And one of less that went solo flawless throwgh a couple of dungeons with it and made fun of GMs with it😁 By the way there's unstoppable sticks this season)
One day I’ve grinded spire 12 hours non stop. After 4 hours my first lfg m8 got it. We then did it on master so he gets the catalyst and I get better chances. After that both m8s left. I’ve found 2 new ones. We’ve grinded another 4 hours until the first one got his hierarchy. So we did it on master so he gets the catalyst with a deal so if one of us gets hierarchy in that run well do it again on master if another one of us gets it. Of course my other mate got it that run. So we did it again and also said if I get it we’ll do it again, after like 5 hours you can’t leave your tm8 hanging. So we did it again on master. And of cours I didn’t get it… so we said Ggs and I went lfg again. After 11 hours I finally got it. But my tm8s didn’t want to do it Master so it took me like30 minutes or so to find someone for master. So we did it again on master. I then went 30 min or so Farmington the catalyst. After roughly 12 hours, 3 am or so with catalyst unlocked i… was just done. But I had to test it…. I tested it in normal strike… holy f that thing sucks… so I tested it in nf… I went to bed and just regretted every decision of my life for an hour till I stopped crying and finally fell asleep…
Why is eyes of tomorrow so low? it destroys ads and gives free ammo on 4 or more kills and once buffed it does incredible single target damage. It's one of the best heavies in hoard modes. It's better than two tailed fox for sure.
Grav Lance is not deserving of the hype it's been receiving lately. Veles-x can do what it does if you have volatile rounds, which are very easy to come by, as well as give you an overshield.
Certain why tier exotics I'd have to hard disagree with ngl. All of them are playstyle dependant, though other exotics got higher ratings due to that as well, so why couldn't they? My rating increases and reasons why are: Hawkmoon is an incredible Primary in PVE, since it's single target dps can easily hang with most special weapions with the only requirement being to land crits. It isn't as Versatile as Outbreak and the likes though, so I'd argue mid C at least. Devil's Ruin is actually increadibly strong with its mini 1k laser beam + it offers anti champion capabilities, I'd suggest you use it, this thing can melt majors even in GMs, as if they were made out of butter, imo an easy B tier. Tommy's Matchbook, please at least use it with either a good titan or Warlock build focused around ignitions and the Restoration buff, this thing absolutely melts like crazy and effectively has intrinisc unstoppable with its ignitions as well, so I'd say easy top of B. Polaris Lance is in a similar situation, though you don't have to worry about restoration with it. Never reload, constant explosions that deal scorch and eventually ignite, all from a safe distance, sign me up. This thing is an absolute monster in mid to lower high end content and should not be underestimated, easy high C or even lower B tier. And last but not least, I'd argue that Traveler's Chosen is at least worth a lower C tier, as it can be crazy effective on certain ability spammy builds where cooldowns might not be as favorable as you'd want them to be.
Winterbite, final warning and malfeasance shouldn't be anything less then A tier, also cryosthesia is also pretty good, id put in B, just my opinion tho
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The fact that you put Outbreak down in the same tier as Ace of Spades, Anarchy, and Tarrabah tells me everything I need to know.
He also put crim in why soo that’s more than enough
@@lucasflewelling8607 I'm starting to think this guy has some coldass takes. What's next, Stasis Warlock is in B tier?
Hes got a lot of weird decisions that i wholly disagree with. Namely bad juju being bad because "we get supers back fast already". Yeah...so...? Running it with an armor exotic that gives you super regen makes it so disgustingly good its not even funny. It also is pretty good at ad clear. Like same with hard light. Piercing bullets is super good with how much enemy spam there is in seasonal events. Even crimson can be good in pve. Just because its not the best endgame weapon doesnt mean its bad...
@@everythingsalright1121 Some of the weapons he put in lower tiers are among (or just flat out are) the best weapons of their archetype, like Outbreak is one of, if not the, best pulse rifles in the game.
The 2 big things I disagree with are malfeasance and quicksilver, both of those exotic are starting to make a case for exotic primaries. Plus quicksilver is practically 3 weapons in 1 and it’s insane
malf on hunter is broken. lucky pants plus volatile void build would go crazy
Fast forward to now and Mal is busted as all hell and Quicksilver still busted now double special has gone
I've been running Quicksilver for a while now, mostly a solo player, and it's a hell of a gun. The grenades DELETE tougher enemies, and they're super easy to get too
I lowkey hate using quicksilver, gun is great, I wish there was a different way to swap to nades, I hold my reload button for a half a second too long and suddenly I lost my primary lol. Skill issue but its the truth 😂
@@feircywhy not just tap reload
If you’re putting the navigator that high. Quicksilver needs to be at S then
I could definitely agree with this. A lot of people saying so as well.
Yes, but you also have to remember that double special is the meta this season, I use the navigator in my strand build 100% of the time personally I can see why it’s better, of course quicksilver has the built in grenade launcher but navigator (being a trace rifle, trace rifles got a massive buff this season and also it’s incredibly easy to get) and also that new exotic helm that buffs trace rifles (which isn’t that hard to get either just do legend lost sectors) it’s easy to see why so many more people use it and why it is indeed better
Edit* forgot to mention artifact mods making strand even more cracked this season synerging with the navigator better than quicksilver
@@Oogway876you say navigator is easy to get? How aside from rng and boosts?!
@@lawrencewang3327 the boosts are exactly my point, you make it out like picking up a couple collectibles or doing it on master (especially with the constant bugs/glitches happening) is that hard, what I am hearing is a massive skill issue if you can’t do that my friend
@@Oogway876 word. Massive skill issue it is, then. Thanks for the insight!
Crimson with lucky pants builds a crazy amount of damages in no time, heals you, and reloads itself to use the full 10s buff. It's very specific, but definitly a strong choice for some niche usecases.
Great for solo runs of stuff. Less reliance on teammates
Conditional Finality is without a doubt one of the best exotics! Freeze and Ignition at the same time?! CRACKLE AND KABOOM!
Just put on armor that looks like DoomGuy and use Strand for Grapple... RIP AND TEAR!
Dude it's so much fun!
@@AboveDestiny Put the Cowboy hat on and you got your YEEHAW build ;)
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Bagel goes crazy on the uploads after the DO
Sky burners shouldn’t be in why tier but in C tier. It instrinsically does extra damage to cabal and shoots through their shields, plus scorch etc. Don’t underestimate it
10 shots to cause an ignition is nice.
it’s useful in that one gm i can’t remember the name of lol
@@FAUXCUSpdproving grounds
@@chrisbarnesbarnes8332 yes that one, thank you lol
very niche, I do find some use in lightfall legendary campaign
I'd say Parasite/Grand overture could be higher simply due to how valuable they are to Farming Atrax in DSC and in situations where you simply need a thing to not exist ASAP.
aside from that, solid solid list imo. Travelers Chosen *IF* you need abilities up after a class swap is nice, but thats so rare its not worth it usually
Thanks dude! It's REALLY tough to grade everything for the entire game and for all skill levels. All guns have their niche for sure!
Skyburners is cable for solar builds and Verglas Curve is quite good for stasis builds. Both should be at least c in my opinion since they both have their uses
Verglas just feels wonky to use
@@nichol6038 yeah a little, basically just have to get used to it’s play style
Crimson is great in mid content for the infinite ammo and healing.
Edit: Polaris with the catalyst is amazing for ad clear and this season it weakens and gives armor charges from a distance too. Very good.
I agree with this
Skyburners and Monte are super slept on. Aztecross has a video that explains Skyburners utility but the way it invalidates the shield mechanics in Proving Grounds GM is the only purpose it needs to have
Facts
While great for proving grounds, if that nightfall doesn't show up for 2-3 seasons the gun is just useless compared to the other options.
@@lemmingskmt it has a small niche on consistent scorch builds but yea that would remove it’s only endgame viability
Verglass curve in why tier? I see this bow used more than many of those C-tier weapons. The gun does its job right to make crystals consistently; it at least deserves a C-tier.
Agree. And most of why it may be underwhelming is just how behind Stasis is trailing the other classes. With a Stasis buff to put it in par with 3.0, I think it'd be a lot more usable
I agree with a lot of this, but there are some super questionable things in the why tier. I mean , have you used heartshadow or devils ruin? Salvations grip and chaperone also have done interesting damage rotations
I feel in a month when the double special bug is fixed/nerfed this list will look very, very different. That said, its criminal that Quicksilver is so low. Its a solid auto rifle with nano trace rockets which are buffed this season and a FREE grenade launcher that doesn't require special ammo and creates tangles...
I didn't think the quicksilver had the rockets buffed? Pretty sure the nano tracer rocket buff from the seasonal artifact is only for the neomuna legendary weapons. I'm sure quicksilver storm fires micro rockets, which are different to the nano tracer ones...I could be wrong, I just thought this to be the case
I was under the impression the artifact buffed them but only because it says it in the description. So if anyone can solidly clarify that it would be appreciated. After reading your reply I'm inclined to go with your explanation
Wavsplitter in C? Gyrfalcon hunter builds kinda lets it shred. Definitely think it's better than ace, plus suppression gives it intrinsic overload.
The reason you'd use colony is when you convince your team to use swords for damage and then put it on without telling anybody.
LOL
That still works?
What does that do?
@@colewilliams3621 try it
it might not actually do anything
@@Au-Li- it did last season
Skyburners is amazing. What are you thinking? One of the only free scorch sources for many solar builds.
Devil's Ruin is a heavy weapon disguised as a primary, and with holster mods, it gets full damage off of one ammo regen. Probably one of the best dps backup weapons.
Quicksilver being lower than at least an S tier in the current meta is criminal tbh
I’d rate Polaris higher. Polaris has intrinsic unstop now since it causes ignitions with the perfect 5th
Would this then make Polaris, as of this season... capable of stunning both overload AND unstoppable champions?
@@justenbeashel hard to say. Polaris isn’t “truly” intrinsic unstop as it’s not really the weapon that’s stunning the champion it’s an ignition cause by the perk. Because I know that if you have a champion mod on a weapon with voltshot, the voltshot will cease to stun overload champions and only prioritize the champion mod.
You have no idea how much I wish Symmetry was good. It feels absolutely phenomenal as a 260 scout rifle (which Wicked Implement really should have been) and the altfire is still decent for basic ad clear, but with the existence of Quicksilver Storm, Polaris Lance, etc, it is so far gone. Giving the altfire access to Arc 3.0 verbs would make it so much better.
Maybe at 10 stacks, the altfire will blind targets, and at 20 stacks (which requires the catalyst), the altfire will additionally jolt for further ad clear.
The gun is so mediocre I didn't even bother doing its catalyst today when i was at shuro finishing some leftovers 😂.
if u know what ur doing while making builds u would be mindblown about the fact that solid 40% of all exo weapons are S+. Tommys matchbook for example is an insane combo with phoenix protocol, healing grenade and ember of empyrian. basically infinite wells and constant healing. My favorite Solar Warlock PvE Build for endgame and gms
100% agree. I recently stopped caring much about raids and metas and just started to have just fun and build craft and test them out in all type of content and doing so made me realise how much some exotics are underappreciated for what can be achieve with them...but then ig he's taking "userfriendliness" into account. Also, the vid is from last season and many of those weapons feel a lot more powerful and useful. Take Polaris Lance for instance...Its currently one of the best exos when soloing GMs due to the artifact favoring solar.
i used acrius to beat calus on legend solo, i will forever have that gun as S+ tier in my heart
I'm sorry Above, I have to disagree with the two tailed fox placement. I recently got the catalyst and the absolute work it does to stun champs is enough to make it A tier, if not S. I was super not looking forward to using it, but after a handful of GMs and a vow, I can say it truely does it all and IS worth the exotic slot. Edit: Also discounted entirely the stunning capabilities of Salvations Grip smh. I know the system is relatively new, but you can't shit on one guy for saying anarchy is not deserved of S tier (an excellent compliment to double slugs, especially in a FT with a tractor) saying it's not like before and succumb to the exact same glaring issue.
If you know how to use sunshot it could be ranked higher
“Wether we wanted it or not, we’ve stepped into a war with our cabal hairs”
Off topic here but yall need to look at the interation between heat rises, ember of searing, dawn chorus and a pugilist weapon(specifically the bxr with incandescent/pugilist) you pretty much have infinite melees
Seems dope!
Ruinous effigy is slept on Lowkey it’s so fun and basically makes you invincible
He threw the new exotic scout in the bottom Y tier when it’s the only LONG range weapon that can slow & freeze all champs & targets.. it has potential but only if you wanna sit back & do activities long range
True but wish ender also exists
I don't see anyone talking about it but Monte Carlo is INCREDIBLE with melee builds
But you dont need it with 3.0 if you know how to make builds. Complete waste of an exotic slot
This is true, its just that with 3.0 builds you can cycle abilities so quickly anyway that you dont really need it
@@AboveDestiny Yes, however even in those builds there are times where you'll find yourself caught out and need to wait for a cooldown to start the loop again. Alot of people like to use perks like Pugilist and Demolitionist for those reasons, however Monte Carlo's exotic perk goes beyond that because it doesn't require a kill to procc melee regen, can sometimes fully refund a melee charge upon a kill and also straight up has a better version of Swashbuckler built in.
If you're not already running something like gjallarhorn, divinity or tractor cannon, I would fully recommend this exotic in any melee based build. I use it on solar hunter and void titan personally
@@freed2519The main "melee" builds in the game (solar titan, arc hunter) all benefit from *not* using Monte, and instead using tractor.
Maybe when Monte gets a catalyst, it'll be great, but as it stands it's mediocre. (This is coming from someone who used to run Monte in GMs)
@@freed2519idk why you’re using it on solar hunter bc you can literally just dodge and get a melee back and void titans don’t have substantial melee abilities unless you’re doing peregrine shenanigans
had me till verglas curve in the "why" tier. you might want to specify that the "when" is important. meaning a lower level player will have a different need and a different experience of these weapons, yes? it all really depends on your level how you VALUE the weapons, yes? just a thought.
Outbreak high A low S for me its absolutely shreads and is incredible for champs when pulses have it
I would fight gor verglas being at worst a B tier exotic. It is super useful with stasis warlock and it is my go to primary since it dropped
Tbh i think that exotic primaries are way better in end game content this season then yall give them credit for. All of the best heavy and special weapons are legendary. Which frees up your exotic slot for weapons that have better utility. The only time i run exotic heavy is when we do raid clears and im on div or gal. And then everyone else is on legendary linear or rokets.
W!best kind of videos on d2 teir lists are so entertaining.
Glad you enjoy them!
Sky burners + Crimson being Why tier makes me realize this is not someone playing the game for fun but instead trying to chase the Meta.
Yea those guns are objectively awful and this list is sorting objectively best to worst
*watches a PvE tier list
*Gets mad when bad guns are ranked as bad guns
This isn't a fun list this is a usability list.
So i just started playing destiny again should I keep using my Gjallarhorn
I’m sorry for this essay, but Leviathan’s breath is S+, I think it’s the best general-use endgame exotic weapon. This is coming from someone that does day-1 guilded conqueror and duo raids.
Each arrow does same damage as a base rocket, yet with archer’s tempo it shoots at almost 50 RPM. No weapon in this game can match the DPS of Levi’s breath without a dedicated damage scenario like Wolfpack rocket rotations, or acrius. That means that this weapon is the highest DPS weapon that you can take with you anywhere in the game.
It has strong ease of use and ammo economy, making it a powerhouse in GMs, raids, and dungeons. Each normal scav brick gives 5-6 arrows, making it one of the highest damage-per-brick weapons in the game. It’s not tied to any exotic armor or mods. It kills GM champions in 2 shots with void overcharge and a debuff or surge.
The bonuses that push it over-the-top are that it’s unstop and it’s prone to damage-glitching at high FPS. At 160+ FPS you can stun and kill Unstoppable champs in a single shot in Master raids.
This weapon is not punishing if you miss crits. You still do about 80% damage if you miss crit.
For light blade, we ran div-cenotaph, and 2 Levi’s. The part with the huge ogres, we spent 1-2 arrows each and just killed everything in 45 seconds, from safety. In boss room, we would div a champ/lucent, then instakill them with 1 Levi shot each, and we would gain ammo from this. Then we just used heavy on boss because we’d be full. Using auto to break barriers is no problem when you instakill them every time. Unlike wishender this weapon is god tier everywhere.
Worth stopping by just to hear the Mario 2 theme in the background
Outbreak is definitely S or top A. Specially if you run out of ammo in a raid situation.
Also its amazing in GMs
Whisper is actually really good now. At least B tier for now
Stasis exotic bow should be at least be c or low b. It has potential in Stasis builds
I really like Thorn a lot and have been having so much fun poisoning everything just like Osteo Striga.
Can't wait to see a remake of the list with the bus and stuff recently because devil's ruin is amazing and probably an s Plus here if I say so myself even though it doesn't have a catalyst because the laser can one shot people with full Shields and with using their super from my testing during trials and crucible and it just does massive critical damage because just one focused laser beam
I would like to recommend you to look at Tommy's on lorely titan and I'm pretty sure montes is amazing in melee builds btw I hate to ask but do you think sunshot will b good in pve after buff
After 1 year later I can confirm sun shot is meta
Know what does significantly better dps than witherhoard linear? Anarchy sniper.
Exactly.
I knew this was a bad list from where he placed wardcliff and outbreak. 😮💨
Coldheart with the new Geomags buff next season might be wild.
I think polaris should be at least an A tier since it can put out some insane single target dps, potential champion stuns and explodes stuff everywhere. not to mention when we get AB scout its a versatile weapon for GMs
You did crimson so dirty, it deserves at least C. Yes it’s niche, but with lucky pants builds it SHREADS in mid-high end content
Quicksilver easily S useable in any content melt’s yellow bars in GM
It's arguably better than striga in all honesty
@@chucksneedlee absolutely agree
Yeah we had it pretty high, but I could definitely see it being higher on the list. Definitely a beast now after the auto buff at the start of the season.
The new salvation grip and Vergil bow make a good build with any stasis crystal build
Rat King in F tier should be considered a hate crime and I will not stand for this slander. Even without rat pack triggered or even building into the perks it’s at least high B tier, if you’re actually building into it rat king is S tier. If you have a single stack of rat pack it’s the best exotic primary and if you get the fabled 5 stacks of rat pack it’s flat out THE best weapon.
People forget outside of rat pack it’s still an amazing gun, turns out built in devour, invis on kill, and hitting like a truck makes a really good weapon that makes you straight up immortal while there’s any red bars
Collective being that low is outrageous
Whisper is my Go-to on Oryx right now. With recent sniper buffs it cooks
If you want to know why it does so well on oryx, it's because he has a 1.5x crit multiplier. All precision weapons do more against orxy, so it's less whisper than you think, it's being lifted more by the crit buff
Crimson in why? Like literally WHY??? Self healing, auto loading, insane with lucky pants
This seems pretty fair for the utility or power granted by slotting it. Some of the exotic primaries people love may be really good at killing red bars and even majors, but so is everything so it's not as valuable or impactful as something like witherhoard, div, or gjally. And the primaries that do make it into S teir have to be truly busted.
Bro, Tommy’s plus actium is so fun. Having a few ignitions per mag is insane. Plus easy restoration with bonk makes it much more viable. Just saying.
Rest of the vid was mostly spot on lol
It's fun, but is it effective outside of at level content, hardly, take away anti barrier from the season and you're left with a mid tier weapon. Something can be and still be mediocre, sweet business is a prime example
From all The weapon tier lists, this is one of them. Ho, ly
Today I saw an over powered crimson lucky pants build that destroys everything and violates every boss and champion in one bullet and also you heal 40% hp per kill and get back your magazine after a precision kill and with a 4000% damage buff from all the buffs you have one I think it’s at least b tier
Heart shadow plus gryfalcons feels great, even in GMs
Let’s gooo, tier list video
My man Freebie 🙌
Anarchy still in the best dps build in the game. Has to be s tier
Why the heck is titan glaive bottom though it has a op use in stasis build aka behemoth
Ngl having wavesplitter in c tier but cold heart in a is lowkey kinda crazy
Great vid
Thank you!
Monte should go in B, it’s really helpful with melee builds
Why is travelers chosen in why tier? It’s like Monte Carlo but for all abilities instead of just melee
Final Warning has the highest unconditional primary weapon dps. It should atleast be high C tier
I'll admit that is one I leaned on chat for. I've used it a couple times and wasn't my personal cup of tea, but I can see it for sure.
Putting Outbreak at B should be considered a federal offense
Bro karnsties armlets and monte calos catalyst go hard trust me
How dare you sir, Cerberus is and has always been the meta
All kidding aside, it doesn't do anything epic but it's quite good.
Crimson is also fantastic for both casual and even harder content, especially in a Lucky Pants build. The heals from Crimson actually can help on Hunter!
They confirmed very recently this season the double special heavy ammo drops was a bug
Honestly I'm happy primaries are some of the most fun weapons in the game and double special only worked in low level content most of the time
Talking about Destiny exotics. . . Can we talk about Whisper of the Worm real quick? I have no clue why Whisper is still in the power slot, hell I've no idea why it's still an exotic, especially considering Crota's End is back. For anyone who doesn't know, Whisper started it's life back in destiny 1 as The Black Hammer, a legendary sniper dropped from the Crota's End raid. It dropped with the (at the time) new perk, White Nail. Back then White Nail refunded ammo to the magazine without drawing from reserves, allowing you to shoot without loosing any ammo as long as you could land 3 headshots in a row over and over again. Bungie eventually sunset Black Hammer and replaced it in a later DLC with the exotic Black Spindle, the exact same gun, but now exotic. Fast forwarding to Destiny 2, Bungie moved all secondary weapons to the heavy/power slot, and are forcing players to use double primary weapons. With this in mind, Black Hammer/Black Spindle is added back into the game as Whisper of the Worm, now in the power slot. However, back then Whisper was one of the best DPS methods in the game, with most raid bosses standing still almost all the time. Bungie nerfs Whisper, taking white nail and turning it into the exact same thing as tripe-tap, completely removing the entire point it was turned into an exotic in the first place. Now we fast forward even further, and now secondary weapons are no longer stuck in the power slot. This leaves Whisper of the Worm as an exotic sniper rifle doing secondary weapon dmg in the power slot with an exotic perk that just boils down to triple tap. Why is it an exotic and why is it in the power slot?
i have to agree with nearly everything, even after season 22 came out with all the changes, theres like 1 or 2 things that id disagree with
I think it would be cool if they gave hardlight the elemental perks depending on what element it’s set on. Incandescent if it’s on solar, destable on void and voltshot on arc
1:49 they’re about to nerf double special aren’t they?
Yeah it's bugged rn
I feel we need a redo now double special is all but dead. Also id argue Lament has been used in more damage strats than Xeno and would put Lament in S tier. Its a hard carry for solo flawless Duality and same with the first 2 encounters of Ghosts. Also Final Warning should be up in A tbh that thing is busted.
Verglas curve is fs not a "why" weapon it's dope af but there are better choices
I refuse to believe fighting lion is better than 1k, bad juju, and monte
*BRO IS COOKING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING* 🔥🔥🔥
WATER VAPOR 😎
is Gjallarhorn good without the calatyst?
Not nearly as good without cartty but its mostly for buffing other people's rockets
Not really unless you wanna be doing like no dps, you should go get catalyst
As a Monte Carlo fan I’m sad it got put into c but I suppose this is an endgame tier list.
this really emphasizes how few options there are
Yeah unfortunately the META is pretty defined by like 10-20 weapons max.
The Trace Rifle hate 😩😩
While, I agree it took a lot longer then expected to make it's probably one of the most accurate categorizing of Exotics in Destiny 2
Thank you brother!
Trash takes for trash players.
Surely you forgot about the behemoth dps with thee titan bublee... riiiightt?
Any link where we can do our own tierlist on the exotics?
Here you go!
tiermaker.com/create/destiny-2-exotic-weaponsshadowkeep-6777?presentationMode=true
@@AboveDestiny Thanks man, keep up the amazing work!
I think overall the rating is pretty good (im glad that quicksilver storm is in A and not in S cause I feel like people kinda overhype it and the other options in kinetic slot such as witherhoard, osteo etc. are way better).
Altho I think some weapons dont deserve to be in "WHY" tier (= dont deserve to be on same tier as stuff like mida, manticore and other garbage, maybe separate tier?).
Lorentz in full void build is both fun and solid option, it is still a linear fusion and with perk up + surges the dmg is actually pretty good (and its not that hard to proc the perk).
Travelers chosen dmg is not bad, it can synergy with any build because of osmosis and can even further amplify ability spam which is the "current" meta in Destiny.
Skyburner with Dawn chorus and schorch/ignition build is actually kinda fun way to deal with unstop champs and while niche, its solid pick for Proving grounds.
Also I feel like many people (in chat) havent tried Revision Zero after the buffs - the dmg is actually pretty good (after all, Graviton was buffed to be on par with Revision and everyone is going "crazy" about Graviton yet neglect to mention Revision) and solid anti barr choice for people who get tired of using Wishender in any gm/activity with barr champs
Osteo is more overrated then quicksilver, with quicksilver the amount of damage you can do even in gms is honestly ridiculous and being able to one shot yellow bars that would usually take a full 50 bullets with just one rocket for just a primary weapon and getting the rockets are super easy and allows for more loadout freedom, with Osteo it’s a noob friendly weapon that’s it in a sandbox where ability uptime is so high having a build that relies on a primary for all your ad clearing is just kinda stupid. Osteo was meta in gms for two seconds cause the vorpal bug and that strand warlock build so overused and is garbage. And the point of quicksilver isn’t your usual primary use cases.
And revision zero is an awful weapon so much better guns specially quicksilver.
Graviton is drooled on because it has vorpal turnabout AND cosmology.
Rev has vorpal and fTtC for pve? I didn't even do it's catalyst cause i hated the slogfest mission.
Man, i still dont know what to get in that S+ tier lmaoo. Im a hunter main pretty much
Hard light but some respect great nightfall weapon i use it also you can make it a volatile monster, or you can give it the arc lightning strikes
Aswell ass switch thru solar arc void
Oooh...if I only might show you, what can do titan exotic glaive with helm of saint-14...but it's very niche, I admit it. Although it's way more usable then people think. B or C tier can fit it well.
Apparently if I would make an argument for weapons that I think you are wrong about, I need to write a god damn wall of text right here😅
Honestly haha fair enough. You can definitely do some fun stuff with them, but def niche!
@@AboveDestiny probably I am one of 5 people that have ever used this combo. And one of less that went solo flawless throwgh a couple of dungeons with it and made fun of GMs with it😁
By the way there's unstoppable sticks this season)
Bro putting outbreak at mid b tier is insane to me
Tbh quicksilver would be an easy s+
One day I’ve grinded spire 12 hours non stop. After 4 hours my first lfg m8 got it. We then did it on master so he gets the catalyst and I get better chances. After that both m8s left. I’ve found 2 new ones. We’ve grinded another 4 hours until the first one got his hierarchy. So we did it on master so he gets the catalyst with a deal so if one of us gets hierarchy in that run well do it again on master if another one of us gets it. Of course my other mate got it that run. So we did it again and also said if I get it we’ll do it again, after like 5 hours you can’t leave your tm8 hanging. So we did it again on master. And of cours I didn’t get it… so we said Ggs and I went lfg again. After 11 hours I finally got it. But my tm8s didn’t want to do it Master so it took me like30 minutes or so to find someone for master. So we did it again on master. I then went 30 min or so Farmington the catalyst. After roughly 12 hours, 3 am or so with catalyst unlocked i… was just done. But I had to test it….
I tested it in normal strike… holy f that thing sucks… so I tested it in nf…
I went to bed and just regretted every decision of my life for an hour till I stopped crying and finally fell asleep…
Monarque should be between conditional finality and wishender. Other than that it’s a decent list
Whisper does fine dmg, beats out linears on oryx, so it at least has a use (also how dare you out tlord higher than b)
Why is eyes of tomorrow so low? it destroys ads and gives free ammo on 4 or more kills and once buffed it does incredible single target damage. It's one of the best heavies in hoard modes. It's better than two tailed fox for sure.
Grav Lance is not deserving of the hype it's been receiving lately. Veles-x can do what it does if you have volatile rounds, which are very easy to come by, as well as give you an overshield.
Veles feels like utter shit.
It's the only 4 burst i never liked and i was addicted to Blast furnace and recently with Disparcity.
Certain why tier exotics I'd have to hard disagree with ngl.
All of them are playstyle dependant, though other exotics got higher ratings due to that as well, so why couldn't they?
My rating increases and reasons why are:
Hawkmoon is an incredible Primary in PVE, since it's single target dps can easily hang with most special weapions with the only requirement being to land crits. It isn't as Versatile as Outbreak and the likes though, so I'd argue mid C at least.
Devil's Ruin is actually increadibly strong with its mini 1k laser beam + it offers anti champion capabilities, I'd suggest you use it, this thing can melt majors even in GMs, as if they were made out of butter, imo an easy B tier.
Tommy's Matchbook, please at least use it with either a good titan or Warlock build focused around ignitions and the Restoration buff, this thing absolutely melts like crazy and effectively has intrinisc unstoppable with its ignitions as well, so I'd say easy top of B.
Polaris Lance is in a similar situation, though you don't have to worry about restoration with it. Never reload, constant explosions that deal scorch and eventually ignite, all from a safe distance, sign me up. This thing is an absolute monster in mid to lower high end content and should not be underestimated, easy high C or even lower B tier.
And last but not least, I'd argue that Traveler's Chosen is at least worth a lower C tier, as it can be crazy effective on certain ability spammy builds where cooldowns might not be as favorable as you'd want them to be.
Winterbite, final warning and malfeasance shouldn't be anything less then A tier, also cryosthesia is also pretty good, id put in B, just my opinion tho
Smoking crack putting Tommy’s matchbook, Worldline, QSS that low