Given the publication date, season 4 either hadn't started yet or had just come out. That scene was somewhere around season 6/7. This video is virtually all pre-SCDP (except for the Lane Pryce clip), but otherwise it could've run with scenes like Peggy having Dawn stay over, or Dawn and Shirley talking about being the only black people in a white industry.
There was the whole plot about Peggy and her boyfriend moving into the Black neighborhood and the boyfriend not wanting to file a police report about who stabbed him.
Shontel Horne Didn’t peggy stab him? I thought the black people robbed him? I could be recalling it wrong, but Abe was so annoying. When Peggy said I can’t do a lot of the things black people cant do, he was so dismissive.
i love that mad men is one of few shows who show the glamour of past times without glossing over the racism, misoginy, homophobia and classism of those times
pete was in the only character whom was more open with race.... given his rich family background....he wasnt much of bigot like sterling or bert which shows the mindset of the generation.
He was definitely more well meaning and open minded about race compared to other characters but he was still a bit ignorant. There was the episode where he got obsessed with the "negro market" and offended the elevator man by assuming his tv buying habits were different than white people's, and defended himself by saying " i'm no bigot!".
Bert and Sterling I thought came from southern wealthy families. You know, the types of families that owned slaves and made black sharecroppers into peasants after the Civil War. Pete, on the other hand, came from a family that was WASPY as hell--straight from New England Congregationalist stock. Congregationalists, even the rich ones, were fierce abolitionists before the Civil War. So Pete of course would be more open-minded on race as a result.
Burt was an orientalist, wasn't he? Pete wasn't in the wrong wanting to understand the negro market, you get to know someone by exploring differences _especially_ if you take it as assumed that you have a lot in common. He had attention, curiosity, drive, and caused offense. Nothing in that is unexpected. Ignorance is the necessary state before knowledge. He isn't a bigot, he just asked someone for information they didn't have. Is Don also to blame for taking that jewish girl on a date and asking her for insight so he could sell Israeli tourism, despite her protestations that she was "just American" and therefore had no insight into Israeli culture? (She ended up giving him a lot of insight she didn't knew she had, and admitted it. We don't always know what exactly it is that people from other groups don't know about us.) You HAVE to figure out how to do what's needed. You're going to ruffle some feathers and make mistakes. People are different, and sometimes they don't want to admit that (with good reason, even). But you have to ask. Forming information silos where no one in one group understands the other isn't the way to a better relationship or a better world for our children.
Like all people; Don was born into his financial circumstances which dictate your lifestyle. Unlike people of color (Asian’s immigrants could not become citizens/blacks could not vote); Don was able to access opportunities (employment in army/education/fostering) to improve his life. While he has (non-expressed) empathy; Don is not an ally. He can ignore these lifes since it does not directly affect him. In these actions Don embodies America’s ‘best’ reaction on race at any given point in history. At ‘best’ it’s neglected; at worst Native Americans are held at gunpoint to travel without enough food, dying on the way and survivors are dictated their new life circumstances/styles.
@@faysuxxss What are you educating people on? There's no difference between the terms blacks and black black people, you're just finding racism in mundane shit so you can jump down other peoples throats because you like the feeling you get of pretending you have some moral high ground to stand on, then you justify it by saying you're just educating people on how not to be racist even though they didn't say anything racist in the first place. I guarantee you've said "whites" or "Asians" or "blacks" because their basic descriptions of people that literally everyone uses. At best you're a hypocrite who has absolutely zero high ground to occupy so why don't you just shut the fuck up.
Don was already annoyed with Roger for marrying his secretary and acting like he was the one who told him he should do it. The blackface, however, was the icing on the cake.
Price's dad wasn't pissed because he dated a black chick, but because he was getting his rocks off in the US while having a wife and children waiting in the UK. Should have included the whole scene.
I think is a little bit of both, He hates that her son cheats on his wife, but is a more hurtful when is with a black women. Even if someone doesn't care in to show dislike in people of other races doesn't mean that isn't racist. Price is not very handsome or manly in my opinion, that girl was too hot for him. She probably date him because black girls likes to chase white acceptance, dating white men put them higher in the social hierarchy. Paul at least if he'll lost weight and keep the beard would be handsome
It was deeper than that. 1st class people don't like the pervasion of their lives "tainting" their good name. The British don't like whoring around of any behavior with any colored person in public that word gets around.
I could understand how "The Consumer has no color" might be interpreted as offensive but if I were living in that time as a person of color I'd just be happy that a white man wasn't trying to trample over me with the arm of the law or some extremely insensitive comments. I think the "wish that was true" comment might be an attempt at stating that advertising still targets race, and that the world we live in is not equal in income and number, and therefore white privileged still exists in advertising. People of color are still thinly veiled props for another consumer base at times. I hate that fact.
I don't remember that one but one that stands out for me was a Commercial for Coca Cola with Coke Adds Life in Brooklyn where they sang it A Capella. Then in Essence Magazine there was an African American Boy at around Thirteen carrying Xmas Groceries on his Wagon with His Mom, where's Dad. That never would happen with White Advertisers. Or remember the McDonald's Commercial in 1983 shortly after Motown 25 where they had a Temptations Style Singing Group where they had 1960's Album then cut to the 1980's and there was an Extended Version.
@Will H Just because some bloodlines run thick with hatred and prejudice doesn't mean they all do, even circa 1960. Keep your bigoted rhetoric to yourself though because we all know exactly why and where it's coming from.
Darth Malgus He’s right though, it was a different time and it wasn’t offensive indeed if I recall correctly Al Jolson was praised and applauded by the black community when the Jazz Singer came out because the blackface was a sign of support and mutual understanding. Al Jolson supported Civil Rights Movement and was very very anti racist. Back in the day it was a form of entertainment, let’s keep in mind times changed so does morality and definition of good/bad.
I don't know. He doesn't to me. However, I wouldn't have taken that hit. I would have done something about that. I would hate to hit my parent. But, his dad really hit Lane hard. I wished Lane would have gotten up and done something besides lie there.
The scene where bert goes to joan to ask her to move Dawn out of the reception of the company and doesn't want to sound racist and excuses it as "mantaining a certain image" for the company
Thats literally what it was. Bert Cooper is anything but racist, he’s a ruthless businessman. Only thing he cares about is attaining power and indulging in foreign cultures. Weren’t you paying attention?
2:27 I don’t know if it was done intentionally, but I love the subtle touch of Roger’s blackface paint staining the face of Jane. It shows us that something is wrong and dirty behind the amiable facade. Reminds me of the cigarette put out in the strudel in Inglorious Basterds.
@@lagartijamuerta For sure, but I think that's changing in most places. I've lived in San Antonio my whole life and, though I know Texas isn't the "deep" south, I feel like very, very few actual racists exist down here. In the small towns there's a good amount of "good 'ol boys" who wouldn't consider themselves racist, but if they see a white woman with a black man they definitely don't like it. My granddad was kind of that way. He was the police chief in a small Texas town for 40 years, his two best friends were army buddies who were Mexican and black. He definitely didn't treat anyone any differently because of their race, (honestly the only people he hated were Japanese people because they killed so many of his friends, much like how Roger feels) but he didn't want my mom marrying a non-white person.
@@Sageboy13 I feel like once the boomers are gone, that will change. If you don't mind me asking, where do you live? Are you in the deep south or are you in like Texas or Kentucky or somewhere that's not the deep south, but is still the south. Cause I've lived in San Antonio my entire life (except for in college, I went to Texas Tech) and if you're racist here, you're gonna get your ass beat since most of the city is latino.
Max Hyde I’m from North Carolina and based on the interactions I have with older people here I’d say they’re not really racist but they wouldn’t scream BLM either like the guy said above, older people here have always treated me with respect for the most part so that’s why I feel like I have a different perspective, I feel like a lot of people who are not from here would possibly get offended by certain types of comments or questions that I hear sometimes but most of the time it’s really just that people don’t know any better or are just less educated on the subject which is why I’m really big on open dialogue, I think if people spent less time yelling at each other and just sat and talked about their differences/opinions stuff would get resolved a lot quicker but I also keep in mind that not all black people have same experiences so idk but American history is a big mess And unfortunately this is apart of our history but I stay optimistic for better days
This user shares some of the demonstrations of 1960's race relations from the 'earlier' seasons of Mad Men. They're all very telling, but I think one of the absolute best depictions was when Pete cornered Hollis in the elevator and practically interrogated him to find out marketing research for Black people and television purchases. A more subtle one was when Peggy invites Dawn to stay the night at her apartment to avoid the riots; the two of them have a genuine moment of connection, but then Peggy takes her purse to the bedroom with her. That was a great show how societal prejudice can (unintentionally) effect even the most well-intentioned people. I hate to say it, but possibly the worst depiction was the reaction to the assassination of Dr. King. Please don't misinterpret my meaning, MLK's death was one of nation's greatest tragedies, but how does it effect our cast on this show? I totally buy Abe, Ginsberg, Peggy, Megan, Joan, and (maybe) Pete, but (pretty much) all the rest? What do all of these New York, Madison Avenue men and women feel for this man, for the Civil Rights Movement? Yes, there is basic human empathy and shock, but for the educated, privileged people of SCPD, Civil Rights was something happening far away in the South. The performance by the diner workers, I believer, but the deep, visceral reaction displayed by the others at the award show came off as disingenuous or dishonest.
To be fair to Peggy Roger had just paid her under the table to do a job so she had several thousand dollars in her purse. She probably would have done what she did no matter the color of her guest.
No Peggy left the purse. Peggy looked at the purse as did Dawn, about the same time. They both had an awkward moment--Then Peggy deposed of the beer bottles. No, once again, Peggy DID not take the purse. She left it on the coffee table.
No, Peggy doesn't. She leaves her purse. Rewind and see, if you have Netflix. Remember, when she started to bed, she and Dawn both glanced at the purse. Peggy, DID NOT take the purse. She picked up the beer bottles. Did I miss something? Unless she came back during the night.
yeah paul is well meaning but confused...but that was accurate for the younger generation working in advertising in the 60's. Many really were becoming convinced that you could change the world with messages in ads. Hence "I'd like to buy the world a Coke and live in harmony" and ads like that. The copywriters may have believed what they were saying, but they didn't understand that the root of the problem is in the corporations themselves and not the thoughts of consumers (particularly if your attempt to mind-control people, positively or not, is always tied to a message to buy something!).
No scenes of Drapper’s maid/nor of 1st black employee of Agency/no mention of Asian family in Pete’s office/1st meeting of Menken account & finding a Jewish man 2 sit in on meeting? U could have done a better job; they was a lot of material, and more than one race.
@@witchplease9695 I do, all the time. Turn it to any liberal spun media channel and all you’ll see is how evil whites are because of slavery, which every single race was doing at the time, and have done throughout history. How I’m supposed to be so ashamed of the color I was born. Know what? I’m proud of my color and all of the insane things we’ve discovered and accomplished. Lmao. White privilege is hilarious and a myth. When black students with C+ averages from Compton stop getting into Ivy League schools over white and Asian students that run multiple clubs in highschool with 4.0 GPA’s because the government pays them to take the black student in, we’ll see about how I feel about white privilege. And that’s just one example. If I wanted to sit here for the next 24 hours and give examples on how hilarious that concept is, I could. But nothing would make you see reason.
@@witchplease9695 white women esp older ones eg the karens see themselves mocked and disrespected all the time or worse simply iignored.Yes it must be hard for you but do you only want to see tv that shows empowered people of colour enjoying capitalism and being bastards to others?.Do you not want to understand history however uncomfortable it is?How do you think jews feel about watching Schindlers List? Or is i because white people, probabl jewish, produced it and there are mainly white actors? They were portraying a time.Also colour blind casting in this would have been really tricky, but yes they might have dealt with race more.
I don’t think Don or Pete were against Roger’s minstrel performance because it was racially insensitive. I think they just thought that Roger’s over the top performance looked ridiculous for a man in his position in front of a large group of people. At least that’s how I interpreted it.
I think it's a bit of both. Don and Pete both hate the past for different reasons. Pete sees an embarrassing old man who can't adapt to the 60s. Roger is an obstacle to Pete's yuppie ambitions, but Pete just has to stand there and grimace. It foreshadows incidents like Roger trying to tank the meeting with Honda because he can't get over WW2 Don sees a painful reminder of the pre-war and his life as Dick Whitman. But he knows that his friendship with Roger (and Roger's clownish alcoholism) is how he was able to succeed as Don Draper.
Pete actually had a lot of scenes where he condemns racism. I think for him it is clear racial discomfort. Don yeah, I think it was him just annoyed by it
That old man. Why Lane allowed his father to abuse him like that. Lane wasn't happy in his marriage, and that was obvious. I wanted to knock the old man out, myself.
Actually that last scene was his father being upset over Lane cheating on his wife and leaving things open ended with their situation. He tells him he will properly end the marriage and arrange things and live with his new girlfriend or get back with his wife and be faithful. As he said, "put your house in order. either here or there, but you won't live in between"
What about that great scene that shows Dawn and the only other black employee of SCDP calling each other by their own respective names, no doubt because white people on staff mix them up all the time??
I just watched the blackface episode and I'm glad that a disclaimer was put before the episode. People back in those days were very inconsiderate towards other racial groups and women. It truly was a white man's world back in the 50s.
The last one doesn’t show the whole scene and is out of context, Lane’s father hit home because he had a family back in London and was neglecting them while in America. He should not have been with another woman because he had a wife and kids. So his father hitting him over the head and saying to get his family affairs in order is not racist. At least that’s how I remember it.
He brought his wife over to America and they quarrelled and separated. They were back together by the next season. And racist or not, hitting your son over the head with a cane, stepping on his hand when he's reaching for his glasses and making him say 'Yes sir', no matter how old the son is, is never ok or justifiable.
No matter how you look at it, the old man had no business hitting her grown son. No matter the circumstance, Period. No need for violence. Lane is his own person. The old man was very much out-of-line.
@@skylite5329 Layne's father was born in the 1800s. The accepted norms were very different for older generations. I assure you he never wore skinny-jeans.
I loved the pilot episode. That opening scene was so good it got me hooked on the series. Already watching the Season 2 Finale Don's in California and Betty is sad.
@@Glimax What is hilarious about horrendous racist caricatures? Roger's blackface number drags on for a bit more than is shown here, and there's a reason for it as well as Don's disgust. Don later reprimands Roger for making a fool of himself publicly. If you think the scene was meant to be funny, you probably just don't understand the show. Do you also think the office scenes depicting blatant sexism and harassment were meant to be light-hearted, "boys will be boys" fun?
Consumers are not a colour, but those who are coloured are consumers too. For instance roger sterling requires a diffrent brand of coloured foundation than say.. african americans.
Hold up.... When did lane fall in love with that girl, because I kind of remember it but I also remember how lane tried to kill himself with the car his wife got him
This was before when their marriage was on the rocks and his wife and son were back in London. in this scene, after hitting him, the dad tells him to "get his house in order"
i love when they get the very old secretary, and she says about the civil right movements that "if i wanted to see two negroes fighting eachother i would throw a dollar out the window" LOL
slide4180 black people did that in the old days so they wouldn’t be discriminated against when bieng delt woth in a way in which only theyre name is visible
Lol; loved it! Perfect device! Sheila (down 2 her name!) Has conformed to the culture (in manner/appearance; and yet their is no room for her. All while seeking betterment (protesting in another state/recruiting a white allied so they’re less likely to be killed); luv her!! Wish that character was seen again!!
@@BlackStar-uh5xv That's a dialect not disparate from southern whites. Aave or African-american vernacular english is a dialect developed during slavery. It is also not unique in a slave lineage sense; Jamaicans, Haitians, and Cajuns in Louisiana all have their creole english dialects. There is nothing wrong with aave if there isn't any contention in the way whites in the deep south speak english.
Yeah Lane was that kind of guy who would constantly pushed over, but instead of changing *that* he'd take it as an excuse to do neglect his obligations.
I had a black person talk to me at a bar once. They are all that way. Too chatty while I'm trying to smoke my Lucky's. I asked the Starbucks gal to remove him but she wouldn't. Also made me put out my cigarette and told me they weren't licensed for liquor and public drunkenness was not allowed. The world has gone to hell.
@@hyong-qc3ss It was a great joke how time has changed, and you missed it :D Btw, I see that youtube is putting this video in recommended not only in my account today :)
i dont think they did. or they just handled it from the main character point of view (white folks). except for the first season with don and the jewish woman he wanted to run away with. i suspect that probably comes from the writer exp. than anything else
@@claudeapollon4723 They dealt with it with few words that casted a strong image. So many instances that went quick and unnoticed if you weren't paying attention.
@monokehm---I concur but what I am addressing is the specific milieu of the time frame for Mad Man. The last lynching in the North was in Indiana in 1938. It lasted in the South into the 1960's as I am sure you well no. By the way, Malcolm X's father was killed by a lynch mob in East Lansing, MI so you are correct. He was thrown under a trolley car line-ghastly.
Please don’t let people ban this show. It was set in another time; it’s historically accurate. It’s like banning 12 Years a Slave for the insensitive treatment of black people.
@@roguepixel4753 The producers of Mad Men almost took the scene with Roger in blackface out. In the end, they left it in with a lengthy explanation at the beginning of the episode about their rationale for leaving it it. They opted not to self sensor... but the fact that they came close is concerning to many.
The one thing that rang false is his depiction of Kinsey as being a poser. Anyone going down to the south in the 60s to do voter registration had huge balls. It's also depressing that Weiner uses Kinsey as a representation of his fellow Jews like Michael Schwerner and Andrew Goodman.
no Paul was the corporate manifestation of poser. No real personality, lived to "impress" others. typical precursor to millennial. Classic hypocritical marxist hippie.
Old and far too late, but I remember the scene pretty clearly. Though I don't remember what episode, as I don't pay attention to that. Googling comes up with Season 4 Episode 10, though.
Joe Cash I live in reality. Reality says that blacks were already becoming Democrats 30-plus years before the Civil Rights Act as they moved to the North.
One doesn’t. If one can, it is beating up an old helpless man; if one cannot, it is just opening oneself to a worse beating. In Angel, Wesley Wyndam-Pryce may shoot his father for ragging Winifred, but he wouldn’t engage in fisticuffs over it.
These folks were so "Offensive" and even today I deal with that. Also the best part about The Episode at Paul's Apartment is that I heard Northern Soul ffor the very first time. It was some of the best unknown Soul Music that came out of Philadelphia in the 1960's that was overlooked by Motown, Atlantic, and Stax. It gained cult status in England where Kids from Council Houses (aka Low Income Projects) would dance to it at Dance Halls on Saturday Night.
Julie Erin Don wasn’t evil, narcissistic, philandering, prone to anger and misogynistic yes. But he actively tried to do right by people and never took enjoyment in other’s suffering. He clearly had a conscious which is why he went on a downward spiral, he felt bad
You know what? It took me a while to understand that they were dating those two girls because they were black, and that THAT was racist. Now I understand.
I wonder how John Slattery handled this moment on set. I mean, was he just casually walking around at the craft table like that? Was it like a “Quick, let’s get this done fast so we can move on” kind of thing? Or was it more like, “OK, that was good, John. Can we try it again with a little more, let’s say, ‘feeling’?”. And don’t tell me you’re totally cool with that, it’s just the times nonsense. That was intended to make you uncomfortable. To make you see how completely out of touch that social circle is.
I'm cool with racism, it's always there and always will be, the more the laws and social pressure to make it like it doesn't exist all the more reason that it will be there, just more covert and will make people more tightly-knit within their own race - i'm all for it, you stay with your own :)
> Don’s ahead of the curve with race He's the protagonist so of course they gave him modern sensibilities. There's nothing admirable about that, it's just a cop out on the part of the show's writers.
more than likely draper would not in that era have been offended by seeing a white man singing in black face though no doubt he is definitely not racist. He would have been more bored by the off key singing!
+Ernest Kovach I'm not trying to turn this into a thing,but I'm just trying to give you something to consider...do you believe ALL white people saw blackface as entertainment?Just as Muhammad Ali had detractors within the black community during that era,I find it just as plausible that some whites had a problem with black face.
Ernest Kovach Don wasn't offended. He was disappointed that Roger was making a fool of himself singing and parading with his young wife. I highly doubt the fact that blackface would offend a man who grew up in 1920s Pennsylvania
***** That was narrow minded of me to say that. I apologise for that. But I should state that what I meant was that Don isn't a racist. And even if he didn't find blackface distasteful, it wouldn't classify him as a racist. Blackface was common in that era. It was as common as smoking cigarettes.
It's so beautiful how they capture the sexism and racism of the time. Everyone is so complicit with everything because they obviously have been living under these ideas for their whole life. These problems are so big but you can tell that they're just in the far distant background of everything going on.
John Slattery played Roger Sterling doing blackface before he played Howard Stark. RDJ did not do blackface, the Australian actor he played in Tropic Thunder did. It is _supposed_ to be complicated, like Shakespearean plays with women playing men, since “women” were required to be played by boys. Thus, boys playing women playing men was a good source of humor.
U missed when they didn't want a black woman on the front desk
Given the publication date, season 4 either hadn't started yet or had just come out. That scene was somewhere around season 6/7. This video is virtually all pre-SCDP (except for the Lane Pryce clip), but otherwise it could've run with scenes like Peggy having Dawn stay over, or Dawn and Shirley talking about being the only black people in a white industry.
Juden Arier denying work based on skin color is your definition of better times?
@@juanvaladez5703 I think that was the joke. But I don't know
Yes, it was the boss, Bertram Cooper, who didn't want her on the front desk.
victor velasco no he wasn’t joking, read above comments. He was straight foreword.
one of the many things i appreciate about the show is its honesty
There was the whole plot about Peggy and her boyfriend moving into the Black neighborhood and the boyfriend not wanting to file a police report about who stabbed him.
Yeah i remember that , he would be sjw or another antifa now days
Shontel Horne Didn’t peggy stab him? I thought the black people robbed him? I could be recalling it wrong, but Abe was so annoying. When Peggy said I can’t do a lot of the things black people cant do, he was so dismissive.
@@anneb889 those were 2 separate occasions lol
That's racist how?
@@kamiljay2697 Ye that guy was a full blown SJW Marxist ass. He hated her the whole time because she worked in advertising.
i love that mad men is one of few shows who show the glamour of past times without glossing over the racism, misoginy, homophobia and classism of those times
They showed a decade in history as it was.
you forgot the scene where Roger insults the Japanese Honda clients
That's more of a war thing. At least that's what it seems to me though.
Except he reacts the same way in season 1 to chinese people.
Does he really insult them? I never saw it that way, and I certainly still don't.
Solenicus roger was a ww2 vet
@@CGoody5642 are you Japanese?
pete was in the only character whom was more open with race.... given his rich family background....he wasnt much of bigot like sterling or bert which shows the mindset of the generation.
He was definitely more well meaning and open minded about race compared to other characters but he was still a bit ignorant. There was the episode where he got obsessed with the "negro market" and offended the elevator man by assuming his tv buying habits were different than white people's, and defended himself by saying " i'm no bigot!".
Bert and Sterling I thought came from southern wealthy families. You know, the types of families that owned slaves and made black sharecroppers into peasants after the Civil War. Pete, on the other hand, came from a family that was WASPY as hell--straight from New England Congregationalist stock. Congregationalists, even the rich ones, were fierce abolitionists before the Civil War. So Pete of course would be more open-minded on race as a result.
Burt was an orientalist, wasn't he? Pete wasn't in the wrong wanting to understand the negro market, you get to know someone by exploring differences _especially_ if you take it as assumed that you have a lot in common. He had attention, curiosity, drive, and caused offense. Nothing in that is unexpected. Ignorance is the necessary state before knowledge. He isn't a bigot, he just asked someone for information they didn't have. Is Don also to blame for taking that jewish girl on a date and asking her for insight so he could sell Israeli tourism, despite her protestations that she was "just American" and therefore had no insight into Israeli culture? (She ended up giving him a lot of insight she didn't knew she had, and admitted it. We don't always know what exactly it is that people from other groups don't know about us.)
You HAVE to figure out how to do what's needed. You're going to ruffle some feathers and make mistakes. People are different, and sometimes they don't want to admit that (with good reason, even). But you have to ask. Forming information silos where no one in one group understands the other isn't the way to a better relationship or a better world for our children.
I still don't get why people keep calling Bert racist. He moved Dawn because customers can be/are racist, not him. It's the 1960s for god's sake.
TheVideo Commenter did you watch the show?
Don grew up around blacks. That's why he considers the whole thing not tasteless, but strange and stupid.
Gaze Bo He was also upset that Roger left his wife for his secretary. Which is exactly what he would do afterwards.
Thibhan Kajendiran Don didn't leave his wife, she left him.
Don was disgusted with Roger's blackface.
@@thibhan98 Don didn't leave his wife. He cheated and lied until she left him.
Not quite, I don't think AAs were prominent in his hometown during his childhood years.
Don grew up being told he was inferior simply because of who his mother was. Of course he would be sympathetic towards blacks.
Like all people; Don was born into his financial circumstances which dictate your lifestyle. Unlike people of color (Asian’s immigrants could not become citizens/blacks could not vote); Don was able to access opportunities (employment in army/education/fostering) to improve his life. While he has (non-expressed) empathy; Don is not an ally. He can ignore these lifes since it does not directly affect him. In these actions Don embodies America’s ‘best’ reaction on race at any given point in history. At ‘best’ it’s neglected; at worst Native Americans are held at gunpoint to travel without enough food, dying on the way and survivors are dictated their new life circumstances/styles.
It’s Black People not blacks wth
Fay stfu idgaf and I’m black how on earth is it rude. It’s like saying Asians instead of Asian people. No one finds that offensive.
@@faysuxxss What are you educating people on? There's no difference between the terms blacks and black black people, you're just finding racism in mundane shit so you can jump down other peoples throats because you like the feeling you get of pretending you have some moral high ground to stand on, then you justify it by saying you're just educating people on how not to be racist even though they didn't say anything racist in the first place. I guarantee you've said "whites" or "Asians" or "blacks" because their basic descriptions of people that literally everyone uses. At best you're a hypocrite who has absolutely zero high ground to occupy so why don't you just shut the fuck up.
@@peacekeeperbabe i think i threw up
The pimp cane was strong in that last clip
Are you implying Dad smacked Lane for trying to steal one of his girls?
Haha it also seemed awfully easy to dodge lol
That old man would of been dead once I got up and it would of been done with that cane.
Pimping ain't easy
@@hanklesacks pig.
Don was already annoyed with Roger for marrying his secretary and acting like he was the one who told him he should do it. The blackface, however, was the icing on the cake.
1:51 I forgot that Justin Trudeau was in this show.
@Juden Arier Cuz he wore blackface. He's a fraud
Juden Arier Yeah he became a soy boy by taking Brain Force from Alex Jones.
I thought it was Jimmy Kimmel
@Juden Arier someone gets hard triggered by leftists...what kind of sad, insecure bastard sincerely uses the phrase "soyboy"?
@@ryanduray1 its anyone with a leftist opinions, because these guys are uncomfortable with different opinions.
Tbh when I saw Roger in blackface I just laughed because I really wasn’t surprised given his character
We’re folks outraged or something?
What’s funny about black face ? They should have made that episode a talking point …
@@i.i1215 there’s a lot funny about blackface tbh
@@imma5269Only to a racist with a dumb sense of humor
@@i.i1215 white people find it funny. Then cry about the movie white chicks
Price's dad wasn't pissed because he dated a black chick, but because he was getting his rocks off in the US while having a wife and children waiting in the UK.
Should have included the whole scene.
I think is a little bit of both, He hates that her son cheats on his wife, but is a more hurtful when is with a black women. Even if someone doesn't care in to show dislike in people of other races doesn't mean that isn't racist.
Price is not very handsome or manly in my opinion, that girl was too hot for him. She probably date him because black girls likes to chase white acceptance, dating white men put them higher in the social hierarchy. Paul at least if he'll lost weight and keep the beard would be handsome
@@XxLordDarthVaderxX Hint ; nobody gives a shit about racism. It doesn't matter.
It was deeper than that. 1st class people don't like the pervasion of their lives "tainting" their good name. The British don't like whoring around of any behavior with any colored person in public that word gets around.
@@alainportant6412 Amen
@@blacjackdaniels200
nobody is racist !
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"The Consumer has no color" - Great business tip
I wish that was true.
Superman Why wouldn't it be?
I could understand how "The Consumer has no color" might be interpreted as offensive but if I were living in that time as a person of color I'd just be happy that a white man wasn't trying to trample over me with the arm of the law or some extremely insensitive comments.
I think the "wish that was true" comment might be an attempt at stating that advertising still targets race, and that the world we live in is not equal in income and number, and therefore white privileged still exists in advertising. People of color are still thinly veiled props for another consumer base at times. I hate that fact.
+Clarence “Breeze” Brown Amen, did you ever look at The Cigarette Ads and how different they look in a Magazine like Cosmopolitan and then Essence.
I don't remember that one but one that stands out for me was a Commercial for Coca Cola with Coke Adds Life in Brooklyn where they sang it A Capella. Then in Essence Magazine there was an African American Boy at around Thirteen carrying Xmas Groceries on his Wagon with His Mom, where's Dad. That never would happen with White Advertisers. Or remember the McDonald's Commercial in 1983 shortly after Motown 25 where they had a Temptations Style Singing Group where they had 1960's Album then cut to the 1980's and there was an Extended Version.
Draper thought black face was tasteless & sorta lame. lol
It was wonderful!
Will H not everyone in the 60s was a racist who enjoyed blackface you know...
@Will H Just because some bloodlines run thick with hatred and prejudice doesn't mean they all do, even circa 1960. Keep your bigoted rhetoric to yourself though because we all know exactly why and where it's coming from.
Darth Malgus He’s right though, it was a different time and it wasn’t offensive indeed if I recall correctly Al Jolson was praised and applauded by the black community when the Jazz Singer came out because the blackface was a sign of support and mutual understanding.
Al Jolson supported Civil Rights Movement and was very very anti racist.
Back in the day it was a form of entertainment, let’s keep in mind times changed so does morality and definition of good/bad.
Also when Betty tells her help the civil right protesters
were going overboard
Danny C she was 1950s Karen as it gets
Betty needs to learn to read the room.
Why tf does Lane look older than his dad lol
I don't know. He doesn't to me. However, I wouldn't have taken that hit. I would have done something about that. I would hate to hit my parent. But, his dad really hit Lane hard. I wished Lane would have gotten up and done something besides lie there.
He doesnt. Are you blind or acting stupid on purpose?
He's just that ugly :[
@@playablecharacter3871 He's not that bad in real life, it's just in this show and Chernobyl. He looks way better when he has a beard.
STRESS 😂😂😂
June 2020 this thing gets recommended I know why
But then March 2024 hmmm
The scene where bert goes to joan to ask her to move Dawn out of the reception of the company and doesn't want to sound racist and excuses it as "mantaining a certain image" for the company
Thats literally what it was. Bert Cooper is anything but racist, he’s a ruthless businessman. Only thing he cares about is attaining power and indulging in foreign cultures. Weren’t you paying attention?
2:27 I don’t know if it was done intentionally, but I love the subtle touch of Roger’s blackface paint staining the face of Jane. It shows us that something is wrong and dirty behind the amiable facade. Reminds me of the cigarette put out in the strudel in Inglorious Basterds.
I think the viewer understands that something is wrong and dirty because roger is wearing fucking black face.
I think most people were and still are like Don. Basically just don't care about race, but aren't gonna rock the boat.
I get that feeling too, for whatever it's worth. Most people aren't outright hateful, but they won't necessarily be supportive.
odaxelagnia As a black guy from the south I completely feel this, I think it’s what most ppl don’t get tbh
@@lagartijamuerta For sure, but I think that's changing in most places. I've lived in San Antonio my whole life and, though I know Texas isn't the "deep" south, I feel like very, very few actual racists exist down here. In the small towns there's a good amount of "good 'ol boys" who wouldn't consider themselves racist, but if they see a white woman with a black man they definitely don't like it. My granddad was kind of that way. He was the police chief in a small Texas town for 40 years, his two best friends were army buddies who were Mexican and black. He definitely didn't treat anyone any differently because of their race, (honestly the only people he hated were Japanese people because they killed so many of his friends, much like how Roger feels) but he didn't want my mom marrying a non-white person.
@@Sageboy13 I feel like once the boomers are gone, that will change. If you don't mind me asking, where do you live? Are you in the deep south or are you in like Texas or Kentucky or somewhere that's not the deep south, but is still the south. Cause I've lived in San Antonio my entire life (except for in college, I went to Texas Tech) and if you're racist here, you're gonna get your ass beat since most of the city is latino.
Max Hyde I’m from North Carolina and based on the interactions I have with older people here I’d say they’re not really racist but they wouldn’t scream BLM either like the guy said above, older people here have always treated me with respect for the most part so that’s why I feel like I have a different perspective, I feel like a lot of people who are not from here would possibly get offended by certain types of comments or questions that I hear sometimes but most of the time it’s really just that people don’t know any better or are just less educated on the subject which is why I’m really big on open dialogue, I think if people spent less time yelling at each other and just sat and talked about their differences/opinions stuff would get resolved a lot quicker but I also keep in mind that not all black people have same experiences so idk but American history is a big mess And unfortunately this is apart of our history but I stay optimistic for better days
This user shares some of the demonstrations of 1960's race relations from the 'earlier' seasons of Mad Men.
They're all very telling, but I think one of the absolute best depictions was when Pete cornered Hollis in the elevator and practically interrogated him to find out marketing research for Black people and television purchases. A more subtle one was when Peggy invites Dawn to stay the night at her apartment to avoid the riots; the two of them have a genuine moment of connection, but then Peggy takes her purse to the bedroom with her. That was a great show how societal prejudice can (unintentionally) effect even the most well-intentioned people.
I hate to say it, but possibly the worst depiction was the reaction to the assassination of Dr. King. Please don't misinterpret my meaning, MLK's death was one of nation's greatest tragedies, but how does it effect our cast on this show? I totally buy Abe, Ginsberg, Peggy, Megan, Joan, and (maybe) Pete, but (pretty much) all the rest? What do all of these New York, Madison Avenue men and women feel for this man, for the Civil Rights Movement?
Yes, there is basic human empathy and shock, but for the educated, privileged people of SCPD, Civil Rights was something happening far away in the South. The performance by the diner workers, I believer, but the deep, visceral reaction displayed by the others at the award show came off as disingenuous or dishonest.
To be fair to Peggy Roger had just paid her under the table to do a job so she had several thousand dollars in her purse. She probably would have done what she did no matter the color of her guest.
True enough. Unless it were Don.
No Peggy left the purse. Peggy looked at the purse as did Dawn, about the same time. They both had an awkward moment--Then Peggy deposed of the beer bottles. No, once again, Peggy DID not take the purse. She left it on the coffee table.
No, Peggy doesn't. She leaves her purse. Rewind and see, if you have Netflix. Remember, when she started to bed, she and Dawn both glanced at the purse. Peggy, DID NOT take the purse. She picked up the beer bottles. Did I miss something? Unless she came back during the night.
@@GauravSingh-nq9cj Pete was a WASP. Old money, straight to The Mayflower. Class of 56, Dartmouth. Ken went to Columbia.
Don looks so young in the first season.
That’s what juggling women heavy scotch use & a carton a week does to a man
Me: I promise I won't say anything offensive tonight
Me after 3 drinks: 1:49
"consumer has no color" is like the most... wholesome? take on capitalism?
yeah paul is well meaning but confused...but that was accurate for the younger generation working in advertising in the 60's. Many really were becoming convinced that you could change the world with messages in ads. Hence "I'd like to buy the world a Coke and live in harmony" and ads like that. The copywriters may have believed what they were saying, but they didn't understand that the root of the problem is in the corporations themselves and not the thoughts of consumers (particularly if your attempt to mind-control people, positively or not, is always tied to a message to buy something!).
No scenes of Drapper’s maid/nor of 1st black employee of Agency/no mention of Asian family in Pete’s office/1st meeting of Menken account & finding a Jewish man 2 sit in on meeting? U could have done a better job; they was a lot of material, and more than one race.
Instead of telling someone they could've done a better job, YOU do it. You have a lot of f---king nerve.
@@tonyktown 💯
It was already cringy seeing how they treated women during that time but that blackface episode was beyond disturbing.
Beyond disturbing? Don’t be such a drama queen.
@@thebadaidsit is disturbing for any Black person. Wonder how you’d feel seeing your race mocked and disrespect on tv…
@@witchplease9695 I do, all the time. Turn it to any liberal spun media channel and all you’ll see is how evil whites are because of slavery, which every single race was doing at the time, and have done throughout history. How I’m supposed to be so ashamed of the color I was born. Know what? I’m proud of my color and all of the insane things we’ve discovered and accomplished. Lmao. White privilege is hilarious and a myth. When black students with C+ averages from Compton stop getting into Ivy League schools over white and Asian students that run multiple clubs in highschool with 4.0 GPA’s because the government pays them to take the black student in, we’ll see about how I feel about white privilege. And that’s just one example. If I wanted to sit here for the next 24 hours and give examples on how hilarious that concept is, I could. But nothing would make you see reason.
@@witchplease9695 white women esp older ones eg the karens see themselves mocked and disrespected all the time or worse simply iignored.Yes it must be hard for you but do you only want to see tv that shows empowered people of colour enjoying capitalism and being bastards to others?.Do you not want to understand history however uncomfortable it is?How do you think jews feel about watching Schindlers List? Or is i because white people, probabl jewish, produced it and there are mainly white actors? They were portraying a time.Also colour blind casting in this would have been really tricky, but yes they might have dealt with race more.
I don’t think Don or Pete were against Roger’s minstrel performance because it was racially insensitive. I think they just thought that Roger’s over the top performance looked ridiculous for a man in his position in front of a large group of people. At least that’s how I interpreted it.
I think it's a bit of both. Don and Pete both hate the past for different reasons.
Pete sees an embarrassing old man who can't adapt to the 60s. Roger is an obstacle to Pete's yuppie ambitions, but Pete just has to stand there and grimace. It foreshadows incidents like Roger trying to tank the meeting with Honda because he can't get over WW2
Don sees a painful reminder of the pre-war and his life as Dick Whitman. But he knows that his friendship with Roger (and Roger's clownish alcoholism) is how he was able to succeed as Don Draper.
A little bit of both. With the latter in the lead, but the former giving at the lens of just how bad Roger’s performance was..
Pete actually had a lot of scenes where he condemns racism. I think for him it is clear racial discomfort. Don yeah, I think it was him just annoyed by it
poor Lane
Jetisonne he took it like a champ
That old man. Why Lane allowed his father to abuse him like that. Lane wasn't happy in his marriage, and that was obvious. I wanted to knock the old man out, myself.
@@skylite5329 the old man would have you weeping on the floor as he leaned onto your hand.
Steven O'Brien British culture. People elder than you are god
Actually that last scene was his father being upset over Lane cheating on his wife and leaving things open ended with their situation. He tells him he will properly end the marriage and arrange things and live with his new girlfriend or get back with his wife and be faithful. As he said, "put your house in order. either here or there, but you won't live in between"
Kinsey dated a black woman just to virtue signal and Pryce was in LUST not LOVE… Let’s just keep it honest…🙄
What about that great scene that shows Dawn and the only other black employee of SCDP calling each other by their own respective names, no doubt because white people on staff mix them up all the time??
Goddamn, Lane did NOT deserve that cane whack there at the end that was... not expected.
The cane struck him so hard, he woke up in Singapore, believing he was Michael P. Fay.
I just watched the blackface episode and I'm glad that a disclaimer was put before the episode. People back in those days were very inconsiderate towards other racial groups and women. It truly was a white man's world back in the 50s.
I believe the Governor of Virginia did it in the 80's and is doing fine, thank you.
@@johnwonder8720 Not to mention Jimmy Kimmel's recent black face scandal, but when your a democrat all is forgiven.
It WAS a great world with white men in charge
The last one doesn’t show the whole scene and is out of context, Lane’s father hit home because he had a family back in London and was neglecting them while in America. He should not have been with another woman because he had a wife and kids. So his father hitting him over the head and saying to get his family affairs in order is not racist. At least that’s how I remember it.
He brought his wife over to America and they quarrelled and separated. They were back together by the next season. And racist or not, hitting your son over the head with a cane, stepping on his hand when he's reaching for his glasses and making him say 'Yes sir', no matter how old the son is, is never ok or justifiable.
@@agenttheater5 Meh, that's pretty light for abandoning your family.
No matter how you look at it, the old man had no business hitting her grown son. No matter the circumstance, Period. No need for violence. Lane is his own person. The old man was very much out-of-line.
@@skylite5329 Layne's father was born in the 1800s. The accepted norms were very different for older generations. I assure you he never wore skinny-jeans.
@@skylite5329 geeeeeez. It's just a TV show
1:56 he predicted RuPaul's unbelievable
I loved the pilot episode. That opening scene was so good it got me hooked on the series.
Already watching the Season 2 Finale Don's in California and Betty is sad.
Don didn't seem to pleased with Roger singing black face. One up for Don. I like Don when he does the right thing.
he just wanted to get another drink
Don was sick and bored to death of being at that party..
@@Glimax He was also sick of Roger's black face. Stop trying to distract from the issue here.
@@5445jedi how come? That was hilarious. But Don was just really bored.
@@Glimax What is hilarious about horrendous racist caricatures? Roger's blackface number drags on for a bit more than is shown here, and there's a reason for it as well as Don's disgust. Don later reprimands Roger for making a fool of himself publicly. If you think the scene was meant to be funny, you probably just don't understand the show. Do you also think the office scenes depicting blatant sexism and harassment were meant to be light-hearted, "boys will be boys" fun?
Nothing with Dawn?!?! Peggy taking her purse into her room was some shit.
This is VERY selective.
Tbf that was a ton of money for Peggy that she got from Roger earlier. She probably would have taken the purse with her even if Dawn was white.
Consumers are not a colour, but those who are coloured are consumers too. For instance roger sterling requires a diffrent brand of coloured foundation than say.. african americans.
Roger Sterling needs another coronary, but I bet he wouldn't go down without letting himself and others have a good time.
Say what you want about Don as a character but you can tell he was disgusted by racism
Hold up.... When did lane fall in love with that girl, because I kind of remember it but I also remember how lane tried to kill himself with the car his wife got him
This was before when their marriage was on the rocks and his wife and son were back in London. in this scene, after hitting him, the dad tells him to "get his house in order"
3:02 so this is what Teddy Roosevelt meant by carry a big stick.
Lol
No
i love when they get the very old secretary, and she says about the civil right movements that "if i wanted to see two negroes fighting eachother i would throw a dollar out the window" LOL
Watching this now in 2020 after all these protests, man this show really pulled no punches from the start 😳
Yup, but It's based in 1960. It should show the climate of that time. Hopefully imbeciles don't try to "cancel" it.
@@TBT_17 Netflix already pulled it..
@@jeremymendoza1465 of course they did
Roger in blackface was FUCKED UP! Even Pete and Don told him so!
"Sheila White"? Really? Of all names?
slide4180 black people did that in the old days so they wouldn’t be discriminated against when bieng delt woth in a way in which only theyre name is visible
@@roycethompson3161 compared to today
Lol; loved it! Perfect device! Sheila (down 2 her name!) Has conformed to the culture (in manner/appearance; and yet their is no room for her. All while seeking betterment (protesting in another state/recruiting a white allied so they’re less likely to be killed); luv her!! Wish that character was seen again!!
Notice how black folks back then spoke more proper
no rap culture back then...
Notice how you don't know anything about black people.
@@mochilover7053 so they always spoke in broken English? Like saying axe instead of ask lol
@@BlackStar-uh5xv That's a dialect not disparate from southern whites. Aave or African-american vernacular english is a dialect developed during slavery. It is also not unique in a slave lineage sense; Jamaicans, Haitians, and Cajuns in Louisiana all have their creole english dialects. There is nothing wrong with aave if there isn't any contention in the way whites in the deep south speak english.
@@mochilover7053 is axe instead of ask is ok? And when they be speaking like this it be ok
I thought this video would be about Don Draper talking about car racing
I somehow missed the episode in which Paul is on the bus rider thing... I wish I had seen it.
Yeah Lane was that kind of guy who would constantly pushed over, but instead of changing *that* he'd take it as an excuse to do neglect his obligations.
Tremendous amount of clips relating to race are missed in this!!!!
I had a black person talk to me at a bar once. They are all that way. Too chatty while I'm trying to smoke my Lucky's. I asked the Starbucks gal to remove him but she wouldn't. Also made me put out my cigarette and told me they weren't licensed for liquor and public drunkenness was not allowed. The world has gone to hell.
great to see your white privilege dying
@@hyong-qc3ss It was a great joke how time has changed, and you missed it :D Btw, I see that youtube is putting this video in recommended not only in my account today :)
@@hyong-qc3ss triggered SJW
Tell me about it...
@@kamilbanaszczyk3792 he wasn't joking...
One of theese days rogers actor will be cancelled for this
Few t.v. shows handled race like Mad Men. I think The Shield and The Wire are on the same level.
i dont think they did. or they just handled it from the main character point of view (white folks). except for the first season with don and the jewish woman he wanted to run away with. i suspect that probably comes from the writer exp. than anything else
@@claudeapollon4723 They dealt with it with few words that casted a strong image. So many instances that went quick and unnoticed if you weren't paying attention.
@@JK-gu3tl u right. now that im thinking about it. they did have a lot of moments dealing with race. but not extensively.
I just want to thank the OP for keeping comments open. Also ten years? Time flies.
@monokehm---I concur but what I am addressing is the specific milieu of the time frame for Mad Man. The last lynching in the North was in Indiana in 1938. It lasted in the South into the 1960's as I am sure you well no. By the way, Malcolm X's father was killed by a lynch mob in East Lansing, MI so you are correct. He was thrown under a trolley car line-ghastly.
3:03
That is a mean swing especially for an old man. Politics and parenting aside, epic smash :)
That was really funny.
Makes you understand where he gets it from when he whipped Pete's ass in the board room
Please don’t let people ban this show. It was set in another time; it’s historically accurate. It’s like banning 12 Years a Slave for the insensitive treatment of black people.
No one's banning it. What are you on?
@@roguepixel4753 The producers of Mad Men almost took the scene with Roger in blackface out. In the end, they left it in with a lengthy explanation at the beginning of the episode about their rationale for leaving it it.
They opted not to self sensor... but the fact that they came close is concerning to many.
I feel bad for Lane, I really love Jared Harris
In the marketplace, the only color we care about is green
The one thing that rang false is his depiction of Kinsey as being a poser. Anyone going down to the south in the 60s to do voter registration had huge balls. It's also depressing that Weiner uses Kinsey as a representation of his fellow Jews like Michael Schwerner and Andrew Goodman.
no Paul was the corporate manifestation of poser. No real personality, lived to "impress" others. typical precursor to millennial. Classic hypocritical marxist hippie.
I'm from the south. Sad to say that our country is being divided again. T___p has divided this country. Everyone here is for t___p. NOT ME!!
@@scottclaudet how can a corporatist being a Marxist. You sound like a McCarthyism moron.
How did I forget Roger ‘black facing’ Jesus’!
Burt Coopers front desk suggestion should be here. But that scene was executed well.
Love how uncomfortable Don Pete and Kenny looked during Roger's minstrel performance.
What about that time Pete’s dad said advertising ‘isn’t a job for a white man’?
3:00 The Captain shall have you drawn and quartered!!!!
what episode is the last scene from ? I believe I have watched all the episodes throughout the years, but I don't recall the cane scene....
Old and far too late, but I remember the scene pretty clearly. Though I don't remember what episode, as I don't pay attention to that. Googling comes up with Season 4 Episode 10, though.
love the exaggerated lunge with the pimp cane. absolutely gangster form.
They missed the episode later where the guy gets stabbed on the subway and the policeman assumes perps were either “Colored or Puerto Rican”
Exactly my point. Someone who can call a stripper an "entertainer", also can call this girl a "waitress".
I didn't know that the Virginia Democrat governor was in Mad Men.
And then all the racists switched to republican and never looked back : )
Joe Cash too bad your history is wrong.
@@tpsu129 if u want to be in denial go ahead. Democrats have lost the white vote ever since civil rights passed
Joe Cash I live in reality. Reality says that blacks were already becoming Democrats 30-plus years before the Civil Rights Act as they moved to the North.
@@idklol4197 I am pretty sure the racist Burn loot murder crowd are not republican
Considering Layne was so quick to put up his fists against Pete, I am surprised he didn't bitch slap his father.
That kind of abuse goes beyond physical.
One doesn’t. If one can, it is beating up an old helpless man; if one cannot, it is just opening oneself to a worse beating. In Angel, Wesley Wyndam-Pryce may shoot his father for ragging Winifred, but he wouldn’t engage in fisticuffs over it.
@@Egilhelmson his father is not helpless ffs
1:50 - Is that Justin Trudeau?
Anything about Mad Men, I watch.
These folks were so "Offensive" and even today I deal with that. Also the best part about The Episode at Paul's Apartment is that I heard Northern Soul ffor the very first time. It was some of the best unknown Soul Music that came out of Philadelphia in the 1960's that was overlooked by Motown, Atlantic, and Stax. It gained cult status in England where Kids from Council Houses (aka Low Income Projects) would dance to it at Dance Halls on Saturday Night.
Northern England, esp Wigan.
What about Carla? With Betty and also her father.
One thing I noticed. Pete Campbell can have 1000 flaws but he is not a racist.
No wonder Lane knows how to box.
Though he might have been an evil man, you have to give Don props for not being a racist.
Julie Erin Don wasn’t evil, narcissistic, philandering, prone to anger and misogynistic yes. But he actively tried to do right by people and never took enjoyment in other’s suffering. He clearly had a conscious which is why he went on a downward spiral, he felt bad
Love it when Joan calls out Paul for his woke posturing
whole lot of that going on right now
His black girlfriend is so hot and beautiful.
Which one, Sheila or the Playboy Bunny? I prefer Sheila, she was FOINE (that's "fine" but in a stupid accent lol)
Sheila, but the playboy bunny is pretty as well!
You know what? It took me a while to understand that they were dating those two girls because they were black, and that THAT was racist. Now I understand.
Robert Pryce wouldn't have been pissed. UK had interracial relations since the 30's
Of course Betty doesn't mind the blackface.
I wonder how John Slattery handled this moment on set. I mean, was he just casually walking around at the craft table like that? Was it like a “Quick, let’s get this done fast so we can move on” kind of thing? Or was it more like, “OK, that was good, John. Can we try it again with a little more, let’s say, ‘feeling’?”.
And don’t tell me you’re totally cool with that, it’s just the times nonsense. That was intended to make you uncomfortable. To make you see how completely out of touch that social circle is.
I'm cool with racism, it's always there and always will be, the more the laws and social pressure to make it like it doesn't exist all the more reason that it will be there, just more covert and will make people more tightly-knit within their own race - i'm all for it, you stay with your own :)
@@adolfdassler7857 you pick your own first name?
@@wiseassokaythen my dad, Christoph, named me, why?
Roger Sterling should have a gotten a spin off minstrel show.
The cuts are too short for proper context..
Are we gonna pretend he didn’t kill it, just because his character was in blackface?
Nah he was off key
Well, the actor playing Sterling did his job amazingly well. That job was making 2009 TV viewers feel sick to their stomachs.
Don’s ahead of the curve with race.
But he did nothing to help Sal after finding out he was gay.
Open minded but self centered
> Don’s ahead of the curve with race
He's the protagonist so of course they gave him modern sensibilities. There's nothing admirable about that, it's just a cop out on the part of the show's writers.
@@ChrisStavros True dat.
Lucky strike was essentially all of their business... Of course he threw him under the bus. But I know what you mean about him not putting up a fight.
@@ChrisStavros
But they DID make him homophobic, I think that shows he DOESN'T have modern sensibilities.
How did this get suggested during this time in June 2020??
more than likely draper would not in that era have been offended by seeing a white man singing in black face though no doubt he is definitely not racist. He would have been more bored by the off key singing!
+Ernest Kovach I'm not trying to turn this into a thing,but I'm just trying to give you something to consider...do you believe ALL white people saw blackface as entertainment?Just as Muhammad Ali had detractors within the black community during that era,I find it just as plausible that some whites had a problem with black face.
+tabbypappy yep actually whites were also very progressive many of them didn't like black face and others didn't see black face as a harmful joke
Ernest Kovach Don wasn't offended. He was disappointed that Roger was making a fool of himself singing and parading with his young wife. I highly doubt the fact that blackface would offend a man who grew up in 1920s Pennsylvania
Thibhan Kajendiran but you're assuming all whites who grew up in pennsylvania during don's era all thought alike
***** That was narrow minded of me to say that. I apologise for that. But I should state that what I meant was that Don isn't a racist. And even if he didn't find blackface distasteful, it wouldn't classify him as a racist. Blackface was common in that era. It was as common as smoking cigarettes.
1:53 OMG YOU CUTTED IT XD
It's so beautiful how they capture the sexism and racism of the time. Everyone is so complicit with everything because they obviously have been living under these ideas for their whole life. These problems are so big but you can tell that they're just in the far distant background of everything going on.
You know it’s fiction, right?
@@bnap3221 historical fiction, if you watched the show you'd understand how much they try connecting to how real life played out
Both Tony and Howard Stark did blackface. Interesting isn't it?
John Slattery played Roger Sterling doing blackface before he played Howard Stark.
RDJ did not do blackface, the Australian actor he played in Tropic Thunder did.
It is _supposed_ to be complicated, like Shakespearean plays with women playing men, since “women” were required to be played by boys. Thus, boys playing women playing men was a good source of humor.
And dam that last scene ! I never saw it before ??? What episode was it ?
That was a weird thing in the 1960’s. I didn’t get it. It wasn’t done to ridicule, or offend. Years later those pictures would show up.
It probably already has a name that I don't know of, but the cut in the middle of the last scene somehow makes it hilarious!
did this dude just justify capitalism with marxism lmao
so much wokeness
He was actually trying to relate to them
Karl Marx did. If all that matters is power, and money as a proxy for power, then that system that produces wealth the most is best.
@@Egilhelmson pretty sure marx thought the value of labor mattered but ok
3:02
Well, I didn’t see that coming. Neither did he