For those of you asking about the Clone Wars series!!! Meg and I have already started it and have our first few unedited reactions posted on our Patreon (link in video description)! We're watching the series in chronological story arcs, so we're jumping around a bit, and we are LOVING it so far. I have also started diving into the comics and EU novels (I am currently going through the post-RoTS Marvel Vader series along with "Master & Apprecntice"). The edited reactions will of course end up here once I finish them, but rest assured, the Clone Wars journey has already begun. We want ALL THE STAR WARS. Thanks again for giving us the opportunity to share these stories with you. Even though I have seen these movies before, experiencing them with Meg and with all of you has truly been something special. Star Wars came along when we needed it most, and we are so grateful to have received such a warm welcome to this galaxy far far away :) Lots of love, The Mage Family (Meg, Caleb, Yuna, & Bumi)
Fun fact: when Dooku was at Anakin's mercy, he was supposed to say "protect me, Chancellor!" but Christopher Lee cringed at that line so he decided not to say anything at all and let his character die with somewhat more dignity.
Fun fact: in portuguese "Dooku" can be roughly translated to "from the ass" or even "I do anal" Star Wars is full of names with double meanings for us Brazilians
I think the reason why Anakin killing Dooku was so much worse than Obi Wan killing Maul is that Dooku was unarmed and defenseless. Anakin had already won the fight and they could have taken Dooku prisoner instead of killing him. Whereas Obi Wan was losing the fight with Maul before he got the jump on him and sliced him in half. Maul was still very much a threat, while Dooku was not.
Right, and Maul had already just killed Qui-Gon, who was a far more experienced Jedi than his Padawan. Kenobi was fighting for his life in that duel, and he barely won. Palatine was also speaking the truth when he said that Anakin wanted revenge on Dooku for what he did to him in Episode II. That is the reason why he sliced off his hands. Obi-Wan didn't kill Maul out of hatred. He did it because he had no choice.
I think it's a little unfair on Obi Wan in the scene where he tells Anakin of the councils double agent request : "Why are you asking this of me?" "...The council is asking you." He replies this way to show his own distaste of the request, Obi Wan doesn't want to have put Anakin in that position but the council does and unfortunately at this point Obi feels he has to keep his trust in the council 😢
@@ImDerpyDuckif u really think about it from the Jedis point of view you realize anakin was never supposed to have that relationship with the chancellor or anyone so he could carry out missions against anyone, obi wan being in the middle about everything is one of the things that made anakin turn because qui gon fully didn’t agree with the council and he would’ve validated anakins feelings instead of confusing them like obi wan who seemed like he was making it seem like it was ok to do sometimes as long as you can control it because he didn’t stop anakin even tho he knew (“tell padme I said hi”)
Another aspect to Yoda’s philosophy: he’s like 800 years old, so when he says ‘learn to not get attached to anyone, because everybody is gonna die eventually’ he’s lived through that experience over and over and over again, he’s outlived everyone he ever met.
Which makes him an infuriating failure as a master when it comes to basic emotions lol. Saying to someone so obviously in emotional turmoil and grief "well learn to not grieve get over it dude" is helplessly bad
@@Dagenspear Well that only makes him more unlikeable. Because his species lives 900 years. Most don't live 100 years. Because HE got used to it in the course of his super long life he comes with the stance that everyone should be able to learn to just shrug it off.
@@frname7665 Anakin would've gotten better advice if he admitted WHO was the one he kept thinking was going to die. Yoda is working on barely any actual information.
Yoda's advice is actually pretty good even for a human, when you take it as it intended - an old monk saying to accept the natural order and the idea that everyone will die one day. But Anakin takes it quite differently
Hayden really doesn’t get the respect he deserves especially during the scene when Anakin learns that Padme is pregnant the way he portrays how conflicted his emotions are in those few seconds is very accurate to what the majority of guys feel when they are told or find out
Because frankly he wasn't all that great. To be honest though, it's not really on him. This is all still George Lucas' writing and direction still. He thinks it's all on the page, and just tells the actors: "Do this." I do feel bad that Hayden got a brunt of the criticism back then (because the movies were centred around his character who, lets face it, wasn't really likeable), but I'm definitely happy that he's been embraced by the fandom in recent years, and has finally gotten a chance to reprise the character under better writing and direction.
I agree completely. It was like watching a big brother turn when I saw episode 3 as a kid. The emotion is felt through it all. Most star wars guys that don't respect him are partially blinded through nostalgia of the old films. When I go back and rewatch the movies, episodes 2 and 3 feel so much more intense, and anakin is a major part of that.
Watching Ep3 as an adult, versus watching it as a child, is insane. After processing trauma related to long-term narcissistic manipulation, there is so much that Ep3 got right that I didn’t understand until more recently - the absolute depth and reality of Anakin’s “irrationality,” “all-or-nothing,” seemingly-immediate hard-swap to unthinkable acts under Palpatine’s influence, like killing younglings… It’s all sooooo real. And it’s a testament to great writing and acting through both Anakin and Palpatine. The Skywalker Story is a tragedy of Shakespearean proportions: Anakin’s naive but genuine and powerful love, misunderstood by the Jedi, manipulated by Palpatine, groomed past critical points-of-no-return, until the only remaining option was to commit to a lifetime of slavery under the same manipulator. What prevents it being a total tragedy is the final redemption (why Anakin truly was the one to bring balance) of overthrowing the emperor at the cost of his own life. Far from just being a “space western.” And Hayden’s performance, as an adult viewer and trauma/abuse-survivor, is absolutely gut-wrenchingly spot-on.
The other specific tie-in that hit (as I’m still listening to your post-film commentary) is the suuuuuper-good question of “after Anakin inadvertently helps Palpatine kill Windu while trying to de-escalate, why does he double-down and go straight evil?” If you watch back through again now, knowing where the road goes, you’ll see Palpatine SOOOOOO expertly setting the stage as abusers do: “the Jedi don’t trust you, I’m the only one you can trust, they don’t understand you, they’d judge you, etc.” Abusers know that their actions occasionally do result in their victims feeling shame and regret, which could actually help them turn to others for help. Since that’s the last thing an abuser wants, they’ll preemptively guilt their victims into believing others wouldn’t help them. That way, Anakin feels like even by accident, he’d now be a total enemy of the Jedi - so he has no choice but to stick with Palpatine and hold onto the faint remaining hope “if I can use this to save Padme, maybe it can still be worth it.” It’s absolutely disgusting - because it’s absolutely accurate to real-life grooming/abuse/manipulation.
[Sorry, didn’t realize how soapbox-y this topic was going to get me 😂] All of this is why at the end of the day Anakin is just a little abused orphan, even in all of his Darth Vader darkness. Enslaved by the Hutts, then used by the Jedi and manipulated by Palpatine. He almost never had choices he made on his own without manipulation. Anakin’s choices, when he was ever allowed to truly make them, were to love: love total strangers in need, love his mother, love Padme, love Luke. And that love was the one thing most used against him by both Jedi and Sith.
Yep, they talk about force consumption and stuff, but it's all very very human. The confliction between love and hate, willing to destroy the world for someone you love, innocent and naive minds being corrupted, it's very real.
“You loved her. You will always love her. You could never will her death. Never. But you remember. You remember all of it. You remember the dragon that you brought Vader forward from your heart to slay. The cold venom in Vaders blood. The furnace of Vaders fury and the black hatred of seizing her throat to silence her lying mouth. And there is one blazing moment in which you finally understand that there was no dragon. That there was no Vader. That there was only you. Only Anakin Skywalker. That it was all you. Is you. Only you. You did it. You killed her. You killed her because finally, when you could have saved her. When you could have gone away with her. When you could have been thinking about her. You were thinking about yourself. It is in this blazing moment that you finally understand the trap of the dark side. The final cruelty of the Sith. Because now yourself is all you’ll ever have. This is how it feels to be Anakin Skywalker… Forever”. RotS novelization by Matthew Stover Y’all don’t understand how much you guys are helping me relive my childhood you guys are great!
The novelization and seeing Obi-Wans perspective on seeing the video of the younglings was the puzzle piece that finally clicked for me for why the Jedi do not take older apprentices. it is simply too dangerous. The Force DOES influence emotions.
@@Adanu191Yeah I wish people would understand how the Force can effect Force users more. Anakin on the dark side here was practically a drug induced haze. Like how drugs and alcohol can make someone angry and irrational and do horrible things to people they wouldn't normally... the dark side does the same thing. Emotions for Jedi is just like alcohol, some Jedi can handle it better, some can't.
@@scottb3034 It's a damn good book, tho. And reportedly, Lucas really liked it. I like to think of it as a second (third? fourth?) draft of the story. A number of scenes make more sense, in the book.
The scene of the republic happily surrendering to become an empire is such a good one By the end of his manipulations, it makes perfect sense that people would believe the Jedi were taking over, considering that in just over a decade they went from reclusive monks to generals of a massive, nameless army, horribly mutilating a popular world popular leader while attempting to extrajudicially arrest him
The Clone Wars touches on this a bit more, but Palpatine was also constantly putting the blame on the Jedi and getting the public's opinion against them.
@@TehIdiotOne This is why I constantly say that the ONLY way the Jedi would have survived the Clone Wars is if they refused being conscripted as officers for the military. Left Coruscant entirely and went somewhere remote, and they could have pressured the galaxy into considering them a neutral organization for the war. They might have even managed to get both sides talking to them for peace talks eventually.
@@Adanu191 Given that Palpatine controlled both sides, the Jedi managing peace talks was unlikely. I imagine Palps would have "won" the Clone Wars without the help of the Jedi, becoming the hero of the Republic; and then, falsifying evidence that the Jedi were helping the Separatists, painting them as the "true villains". Thus, leading a purge of the Jedi after the war was concluded. There really was no way the Order was making it out alive, by this point.
@@smartalec2001 I disagree with this assessment. People believing the worst of the Jedi was in large part due to the clone army and Palpatine having direct control of PR for the war effort, blaming them for mistakes and whatnot. Palpatine, while VERY good at what he does, cannot directly enslave the galaxy. He tried that, it's called the Empire, and there was a galactic rebellion when he did. Without direct supervision of the Jedi, he would have a lot less control over their narrative because people would be able to directly ask the Council and not have to go through the Republic to ask questions. I honestly think they would have had a solid chance of surviving if they made themselves valuable to everyone around them and gained a good reputation.
Fun fact: when Hayden came in to play Anakin in Episode II, Ewan took him under his wing a bit (it was Hayden's first big role), so they did really develop the kind of friendship Anakin and Obi-Wan have. They still are good friends to this day.
Anakin wasn't possessed or compelled to commit the atrocities he did, more like he was manipulated into a mindset where he believed he was doing the right thing. Windu forced Anakin to essentially make a choice between his wife and the jedi, and he chose his wife by saving palpatines life. After crossing that line, there would be no turning back, so Anakin committed to the path he chose so he could at least save the person he loved. What comes after is a series of desperate, selfish, and arrogant decisions where his new plan is to serve the emperor until he could guarantee his family's safety and one day become powerful enough to overthrow the emperor for his own selfish aspirations. This is something that the emperor wanted because it would carry on the legacy of the sith and his replacement would be even more powerful and corrupt than he was. When Anakin was left mutilated and crippled by obi wan, all that potential for a perfect heir was destroyed and palpatine was so disgusted and furious with his loss that he decided that Anakin was now unworthy to surpass him, choosing instead to enslave him in a cybernetic prison and keep him forever subservient and replaceable while the emperor continued rule the galaxy indefinitely.
@@patrickcromwell7554no, it was Windu. Palpatine was feigning weakness and defeat, sure. but like Anakin before with Dooku, Windu had a choice. and he chose to kill a “defenseless” foe who could have and should have been taken prisoner and put on trial. Palpatine knew that the Jedi had fallen so far off course by that point that Windu’s decision was obvious to him, he just wanted to have Anakin see it for himself Windu killing Palpatine would not only erase all hope of saving Padme’s life, but it showed that the Jedi truly had lost their way as Palpatine had been whispering in his ear the whole time
i feel like not a lot of people realize Palpatine’s immense disappointment in Vader at the end of the movie. so glad you picked up on it. if you’ve seen the Clone Wars style animation of RoTS put out a couple months back, they have Palpatine give a subtle look away as Vader walks up to him on the bridge of the Star Destroyer. loved that add
True with real life. A lot of the horrors of wars were from people thinking they were doing the right thing killing innocent civilians or committing genocide. Which is what’s scary.
@@patrickcromwell7554 I'll put it this way: When I said that windu forced Anakin to make a choice, all I meant was that Anakin was required to take action to stop him from killing palpatine, who Anakin mistakenly believed he needed to save padme. In that moment, mace and palpatine represented the light side and the dark competing for the chosen one's loyalty. Palpatine forced Anakin in a position where he needed to make a choice to begin with, and windu forced him to take action for fear of the consequences if he didn't. I can see how people say that palpatine made Anakin cross the line, I simply believe that both sides contributed to his downfall, so either could be correct. At the end of the day, the person I blame most for Anakins downfall is Anakin himself.
@@patrickcromwell7554You’re not wrong but… what had the Jedi done for Anakin to still trust them? Trust works both ways, and that man was still met with distrust despite all of his heroics in The Clone Wars. The best manipulations require a kernel of truth, and the Jedi gave Palpatine the kernels of truth he needed to control Anakin.
Lol at yourself, yanmeister! Hayden was PERFECT as Anakin! As former actors, we can confirm that his mastery of subtlety is absolutely mesmerizing. He deserves NONE of the hate! - Caleb
You can argue whether or not Hayden pulls off the James Earl Jones cadence, but you have to acknowledge he absolutely nails the David Prowse physicality.
@@yanmeister501st It wasn't Hayden, he has so much talent. It was the shitty script and writing, there were no opportunities for him to display it. Look at his performance in Ahsoka, he was the best part of the entire show
An awesome thing to know for the duel between Anakin and Obi-Wan: George Lucas had planned to speed up the duel sequence but Hayden Christensen and Ewan McGregor practiced so much and so many times this duel that what we have is the actual speed. No CGI, no camera tricks, no speed up in post production, not even stunts, THEY are moving that fast. I remember seeing this movie for the first time in 2005 as a kid with my father. We were blown away. I cried more for this than Bambi'sm other or Mufasa. I don't care if it has its flaws, to this day it's one my favorite movies and by far the best Star Wars with Empire Strikes Back.
They had to be told to slow down because they were moving TOO fast for it to be believable. They practiced this so much that it was so quick and ingrained in their muscle memory.
@@chazo1367 I thought that was the Obi-Wan V. Maul fight after Qui-Gon gets Qui-GONE? Could very well be both but I feel like I remember that being from The Phantom Menace
I love the behind the scenes when, in one practice, Hayden suddenly drops the Lightsaber and you hear Ewan "Ouhhhhh, fingers?" Its like "I didnt mean to hit you, but i know where i hit you ;)
I'm glad someone called Palpatine a groomer. Too many people accuse Padme of being a groomer when she hadn't even seen Anakin grow up. It was Palpatine who saw Anakin grow up.
I mean, there's only a five year difference between Anakin and Padme, and they fell in love when Anakin was 19 and Padme was 24, so I really don't see why some people have a problem with the ages in their relationship.
@@CloneCommanderCrater1102it’s usually just the fact she knew him when he was young and she was older and in a position of power in the galaxy. It’s not great logic from people but whatever
@awesomness36 so they are not allowed to fall in love? This logic is sick to me... if an adult knows a kid.... then many years later they reunite and fall in love people call that grooming.... I call it their buisness
The big difference between Obi-Wan cutting Maul in half and Anakin beheading Dooku is that Dooku was disarmed (literally). The Jedi code doesnt prohibit killing someone in combat, but executing someone you've clearly beaten is different.
He had for all intents and purposes surrendered. It's kind of how in real life, you're "allowed" to kill in warfare, but if the enemy combatant has surrendered you'll commit a warcrime.
@@TehIdiotOne Yeah, exactly. Though to be honest, both sides of any conflict in Star Wars, even the Jedi, are more or less constantly committing war crimes by our standards here on Earth, to the point where there are montages/compilations of all of the war crimes in The Clone Wars and Rebels you can find here on RUclips.
"His fate will be the same as ours." Obi-Wan Kenobi. Dies on a Death Star. Sheev Palpatine: Dies on a Death Star. Anakin Skywalker: Dies on a Death Star. Treachery is the way of the Sith. The novel talks about Dooku watching his own mentor coldly order his death, realizing that he was being played the whole time.
Palpatine didn’t compel Anakin, it’s all Anakin’s choices. He was manipulated, yes, but not through mysticism. Just misdirection and playing on Anakin’s faults. His fear of loss, his doubt in the Jedi, his anger, his thirst for renown.
@@genghisgalahad8465 Except that the dreams came true. Which makes them premonitions rather than dreams. A few jedi such as Yoda are able to perceive the future. Anakin didn't train this ability so he couldn't see that his actions would be the cause of Padme's death.
@@atomictacco the idea, notion, or suspicion is that Palpatine/Sidious sent those possible future dreams TO Anakin, for Anakin to play it out, which he tragically would. He did intend for those dreams to come true, and since dreams don't always come true. The possibility was enacted in its showing. No foretelling no matter how accurate or systemic is ever foolproof, I don't think..
@atomictacco Yoda could not perceive the future clearly, clearly. He was no oracle. He might've gotten a sense of it, but he was no foreteller. It's not a skill he could learn pat and level up in as a Jedi.
For the part about the Sith eyes, he didnt have it when he killed the jedi at the temple bc he was reluctant when doing it. Those were the only friends he ever knew. With the Separtists, he enjoyed it. They caused so many issues for him and Padme for over a decade of his life.
There were roughly 10.000 Jedi before order 66, after it happened less than 100 remained. Also the Reason R2 never stays with the ship is because the last person to say that to him never came back.
@@scottb3034 The son of the chosen was little meaning of betting on? The galaxy is huge, as far as Obi-Wan and Yoda knew, they were the only ones that made it. We have also seen several of these 100 survivors being chased down and killed by inqs... It doesnt dilute the severity of Order 66 at all.
Fun fact, not only did they not clean up Vader's burns, they didn't even use anesthesia during his surgery. Why? Palpatine's orders. He wanted to punish Vader for losing to Obi-Wan, and also because the pain would push him further to the dark side.
I just imagine that the constant searing pain and regret keep Vader just off step enough for Palpatine to remain in control. The Emp knows what happens when Sith lords do not completely control their apprentices.
@dylpickle0927 Except the suit was subpar. Many of its components were considered outdated by the time Anakin was burned. So while the pain gave him power, the suit still held him back.
53:46 Long story short, no: The Sith Lords originally numbered in the thousands. Darth Bane saw that the Sith were continually defeated again and again by the Jedi for thousands of years and concluded that the only way to destroy the Jedi was through secrecy and manipulation. Bane tricked the other Dark Lords of the Sith into committing suicide (they detonated a Sith bomb in an attempt to kill as many Jedi as possible), and then rebuilt the Sith under the Rule of Two. Darth Sidious is the culmination of almost 1,000 years of the Grand Plan: the Sith plan to kill every Jedi and turn the Galactic Republic into a Sith Empire.
The Sith's greatest enemy is usually themselves, the betrayal and corruption inherent of becoming a Sith leads to infighting 9/10 times in Sith History, only once in Galactic History did the Jedi and Republic truly unjustly massacre the Sith. At the end of the Great Hyperspace war 5000 years prior to the events of the films the Republic went door to door on Sith worlds and killed every sith they could find. To point out it was the Republic that did this, the Jedi just didn't stop them.
Ewan is scottish, not irish Edit: i love how they made grievous and anakin never meet in clone wars to keep that line intact, about Grievous being shorter than anakin expected Edit 2: grievous wasnt a human, but he did have an organic body
@@johnnymoreno5065No lie, I would love to see a series about Grievous. How scary and cunning he was as a human, then his ultimate transformation into a creepy bug-like cyborg.
@Progger11 Grievous, originally known as Qymaen Jai Sheelal, was a Kaleesh from the planet Kalee, he wasn't a human. But I do agree that a movie about his life would be really cool.
There is no compulsion that Anakin is following. Only fear. Palpatine played on all the fear and anger and emotion that he's never been able to let go, and used that to subtly maneuver him to wear he should be; on the council but not a master, a strong warrior and combatant but not going to take down grievous, even when windu had a saber to palpatine. His desperation and fear pushed him forward, and having been responsible for disarming windu, allowing him to die at the hands of a sith lord, he fell to the dark side as his only recourse. There is no disassociation either; Anakin and Vader are the same person, and Anakin is fully aware of what he is doing.
You are the only reactor that I'm aware of who noticed that they didn't really bother treating Vader's wounds before the armor was put on. No anesthetic was used when the artificial limbs were attached to his nerve endings. His burns were hardly treated, only to remove what was left of his clothes fused to his skin to prevent infection. His burnt flesh would chafe inside the suit and the limbs and the sharp metal edges within the suit would poke, prod and drag on his skin. Sidious had Vader's suite made intentionally to be agonizing. The only time Vader could find some semblance of peace was to remove his armor and bathe in bacta, his body would he scrubbed of necrotic flesh from the burns. He would meditate and think of Padme. The pain, a constant reminder. Which is why Vader is known to be so ruthless and cruel.
To clarify: Grievous is not a droid, he used to be an alien warlord but slowly became a cyborg in his quest to hunt down the jedi he hated so much. His cough is meant to create a parallel with Vader's breathing, you know as they are both jedi killing cyborgs
To clarify... it was not a slow process... he was betrayed and almost killed by the enemy of his people, and then they Robocopped him without consent into a full conversion cyborg, adding insult to injury as his cyborg body replicated the aliens he was fighting against, and the betrayal was blamed on the Jedi.
@@johannesbowers7467 Nope that's the legends backstory, and even then you got it wrong In canon, and stated in 2008 clone wars before the Disney buy out, after the Yam'Rii war and training under Dooku began Grievous slowly augmented himself to stand a fair chance against the jedi, as he himself states "Improvements! I chose them! I submit to no one!" Personally I like that backstory better, it gives Grievous character autonomy and it's more original than that cheap copy of Vader's story you were talking about
@@aitipsea3909 if your're gonna reference 2008 CW, then at least credit Greivous's cough to the torso damage inflicted by Mace Windu on the day of the Chancellor's kidnapping. Everything Legends remains fully on the table and available unless and until specifically and explicitly rewritten or overwritten.... and even then, they are already running into contradictions within Mouse Canon.
@@johannesbowers7467 Non canon either, we see Grievous cough in 2008 way before the kidnapping of Palpatine You see 2003 was made only to promote ROTS and to sell toys, literally, so George wanted to expand the war. At first they tried to keep things consistent by taking inspiration on the character designs but slowly they pretty much decided to completely retcon 03. This is why, for example, in the R2 arc and the first episode of the Malevolence arc Grievous doesn't cough to keep continuity, but on literally every other episode forward he does when they made the switch
Anakin's choices are based around a combination of manipulation and imagined slights mixed with his fears. Yoda said it in the first film. It was his fear of loss that drove his actions forward. He killed Windu in that one moment because in that moment the man threatened to take away the one chance he thought could save his wife. Anakin was willing to destroy everything he swore to defend, kill anyone: Man, woman or child as long as it meant he could save the life of his wife and children. He attacks her in anger in the heat of the moment without thinking of the consequences. I always get shades of MacBeth in his story.
Did Obi-wan know about Anakin and Padme? "I am not blind, Padme. Though I have tried to be, for Anakin's sake. And for yours. Anakin has loved you since the day you met, in that horrible junk shop on Tatooine. He's never even tried to hide it, though we do not speak of it. We... pretend that I don't know. And i was happy to, because it made him happy. You made him happy, when nothing else ever truly could."
14:18 There's a HUGE difference between Obi-Wan cutting Maul in half, and Anakin beheading Dooku: Obi-Wan killed Maul in combat, while Maul was still very much armed and dangerous. Anakin executed Dooku, *after* Dooku had been disarmed (literally) and at Anakin's mercy. To illustrate: a cop shooting a bank robber in the action is justified. A cop shooting a bank robber in the head, once he is handcuffed and on the ground, is not.
"How isn't cutting in half a guy in the middle of a fight while he's trying to kill me the exact same as beheading a defeated kneeling opponent with no hands?" is certainly a question.
Well darth maul was still capable of killing him (and was in a more advantegous position), while Dooku was incapacitated of fighting. Im not saying Dooku was to be spared Im still open to justifying him being killed on the spot, but its absolutely not the same
Anakin's fall reminds me of a quote from my favorite Star Wars book - I, Jedi. It's a great book from the Legends (Old EU) about the main character finding their identity, and in this passage another Jedi says this: "People start telling themselves they're amassing power for this goal or that, and they convince themselves that it's a good thing. Then when they get enough they find that circumstances have changed. They find they need more power or they need to wield this power in ways they didn't expect before. An opponent who won't listen to reason becomes a bug to be squashed instead of a friend who just needs to be convinced. Power comes to poison those who hoard it." I always loved this line as it ties to Anakin's fall so perfectly.
The end of the beginning. You’ll probably watch all the other Star Wars content, but I for one cannot wait for Rogue One and Andor. On a storytelling aspect, it’s the best that Star Wars has ever been.
@@yeeykk1818 They probably will. My biggest fear is that they don’t watch any other Star Wars stuff until they finish the Clone Wars. That would last like three years with the rate they release specific content.
I wish the movie had shown the full Palpatine speech. If you're curious, here it is. "Citizens of the civilized galaxy! Senators! On this day we mark a transition. For a thousand years, the Republic stood as the crowning achievement of civilized beings. But there were those who would set us against one another, and we took up arms to defend our way of life against the Separatists. In so doing, we never suspected that the greatest threat came from within. The Jedi, and some within our own Senate, had conspired to create the shadow of Separatism using one of their own as the enemy's leader. They had hoped to grind the Republic into ruin. But the hatred in their hearts could not be hidden forever. At last, there came a day when our enemies showed their true natures. The Jedi hoped to unleash their destructive power against the Republic by assassinating the head of government and usurping control of the clone army. But the aims of would-be tyrants were valiantly opposed by those without elitist, dangerous powers. The war is over. The Separatists have been eliminated and the Jedi rebellion has been foiled. The remaining Jedi will be hunted down and defeated. Any collaborators will suffer the same fate. Those who protect the enemy are the enemy! Now is the time! Now we will strike back! Now we will destroy the destroyers! These are trying times, but we have passed the test. The attempt on my life has left me scarred and deformed, but I assure you, my resolve has never been stronger! The Clone War was our final test. It was the last gasp of the forces of darkness! Now we have left that darkness behind us forever, and a new day has begun! It is morning in the Republic! Never again will we be divided! Never again will sector turn against sector, planet turn against planet, sibling turn against sibling. We are one nation, indivisible! To ensure that we will always stand together, that we will always speak with a single voice and act with a single hand, the Republic must change. We must evolve. We must grow. In order to ensure the security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganized into the first Galactic Empire for a safe and secure society! We are an Empire that will continue to be ruled by this august body! We are an Empire that will never return to the political maneuvering and corruption that have wounded us so deeply. We are an Empire that will be directed by a single sovereign, chosen for life! We are an Empire ruled by the majority! An Empire ruled by a new Constitution! An Empire of laws, not of politicians! An Empire devoted to the preservation of a just society. We are an Empire that will stand for ten thousand years! By bringing the entire galaxy under one law, one language, and the enlightened guidance of one individual, the corruption that plagued the Republic in its later years will never take root. Regional governors will eliminate the bureaucracy that allowed the Separatist movement to grow unchecked. A strong and growing military will ensure the rule of law. Under the Empire's New Order, our most cherished beliefs will be safeguarded. We will defend our ideals by force of arms. We will give no ground to our enemies and will stand together against attacks from within or without. Let the enemies of the Empire take heed: those who challenge Imperial resolve will be crushed. We have taken on a task that will be difficult, but the people of the Empire are ready for the challenge. Because of our efforts, the galaxy has traded war for peace and anarchy for stability. Trillions of beings now look forward to a secure future. The Empire will grow as more planets feel the call, from the Rim to the wilds of unknown space. Imperial citizens must do their part. Join our grand star fleet. Become the eyes of the Empire by reporting suspected insurrectionists. Travel to the corners of the galaxy to spread the principles of the New Order to barbarians. Build monuments and technical wonders that will speak of our glory for generations to come. The Grand Army has tackled the dangerous work of fighting our enemies on the front lines. Many have died in their devotion to the Empire. Imperial citizens would do well to remember their example. The New Order of peace has triumphed over the shadowy secrecy of the Jedi. The direction of our course is clear. I will lead the Empire to glories beyond imagining. We have been tested, but we have emerged stronger. We move forward as one people: the Imperial citizens of the first Galactic Empire. We will prevail. Ten thousand years of peace begins today."
@@MegMageReacts It's from an earlier draft. Back when the movie was supposed to be 3 and a half hours long. Never made it into filming because apparently it was too long. But I think it adds more context to why the senate willingly sacrificed liberty for order. Although the novelization does go into detail about how the battle of Coruscant seen at the beginning was organized by Palpatine specifically to create a 9/11-like event that he could use to manipulate the senate.
Man, I wish they took some of the extended/changed dialogue from the novel. Anakin mentally breaking down in front of Mace and begging to talk to Obi-wan while telling him about Palps being a Sith was haunting.
"Peace is a lie." First line of the Sith Code. It is literally the basest, most essential line that acts as foundation for the philosophies, belief systems, and methods that all latter incarnations of the Sith built upon. From the Jen'Jedaii and Crimson Sith whom forged empires that shook the galaxy for thousands of years to the Religious Cult of Two whose grand plan was seemingly for the Republic and the Jedi Order to die of old age.
That sequence where it cross cuts between Padme giving birth while dying and Vader being born (where Anakin dies) might just be the most well edited sequence in the franchise.
Palpatine always looked disfigured, its explained in the lore how he was using Sith alchemy to hide his dark side corruption that had marked his face and body, when he was exposed to his own force lightning the ''spell'' was broken.
I think what you are talking about is the Legends comic Sithisis, but it doesn't outright say he was always disfigured. It's more leaning into Palpatine's execution of Buried Presence, an ability that allows the user to exist outside the Force undetected (different from Yoda and Obi-Wan cutting themselves off from the Force after order 66). That same comic goes on to say that his disfigurement in RotS is caused by the force lightening tearing away the seemingly innocent façade and allowing the physical manifestation of his truly evil nature to take hold. Both are fascinating theories and I hope we get more Palpatine and Sith related media for the decade leading up to Phantom Menace.
Hayden has the best facial emotes....he really does show all the emotional ranges on his face and doesn't have to say a word. You see them and believe them and know exactly what his character is thinking
It’s never really portrayed properly how horrible the clone wars were. But here everything comes full circle. Everything that Yoda said in episode one came true, “Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering.” That’s what we see happen to Anakin in the prequels and what transforms him from Anakin Skywalker to Darth Vader. The fear of losing his mother and Padme turns to hate towards the Jedi and then to the suffering of having to live with the consequences of destroying everything he loved. But as we see even when he becomes Darth Vader, Anakin is the chosen one. He destroys the Sith, himself and the emperor because he is redeemed by his son.
@@GallantSectorYou should go to watch Clone Wars or Star Wars Tribute Chosen one by Hero Fans Productions or Tribute Darth Vader by Ilia TS. May the force be with you and may you lead the force. ✋️
@@MegMageReactsYou should go to watch Clone Wars or Star Wars Tribute Chosen one by Hero Fans Productions or Tribute Darth Vader by Ilia TS. May the force be with you and may you lead the force. ✋️
I'm so glad you guys felt every scene with Yoda. He's just such an embodiment of goodness and light in the universe that merely watching his cane drop to the floor is a powerful moment. Seeing him reel and clutch his heart from the deaths of all the Jedi is just gut-wrenching every time I watch it. The music helps sell it perfectly too (I sincerely believe this is John Williams' finest composition for any movie, and certainly the best among the Star Wars films). Then there's the fight with the Emperor, which is for me just as impactful as the battle between brothers coinciding with it. It's the ultimate forces of Light and Dark clashing, as Yoda desperately tries to defend the last gasp of the dead Republic as it all comes crashing down around him, with Sidious exulting and reveling in his dominion and ultimate victory. For my money it also has the best use of the Duel of the Fates score, even over the original usage of it in The Phantom Menace.
Anakin slaughtering the Separatist leaders makes a lot of sense frankly. He was never fond of the greedy war-profiteers of the Separatists, so killing them would've been one of the few of his violent acts in the new Empire that would have actually brought him some semblance of satisfaction. Gunray specifically wanted to have Padme assassinated in the previous movie, and several of them, Gunray included, were present during the execution in the arena, as well as aiding the Separatists in numerous atrocities through their financial backing and lending of supplies. They were also the only remaining powerful members of the opposition. Once Dooku and Grievous were dead, Gunray and the other squabbling cowards were all that was left.
The way Palpatine’s full emperor voice coming out when he says good Anakin good which really reminds me of ROTJ with Luke and then when he tells Anakin he did well, he’s gone back to his Chancellor voice. Such good acting on Ian’s part
14:20 There's a big difference, Obi-wan cut Maul in half in an active battle to defeat him while Anakin had Dooku defeated then proceeded to execute him.
One interesting point is that before Anakin kills Dooku, Palpatine says "He's too dangerous to be left alive", then before Mace attempts to kill Palpatine, Mace says "He has control over the courts and the Senate, He's Too Dangerous To Be Left Alive". No difference between the most physically capable Jedi (other than, perhaps, Yoda) and a Sith Lord. This makes his line to Obi-Wan hit so much harder - "from my point of view, the Jedi are evil" - in that moment, he isn't wrong. Anakin regretted killing Dooku, and didn't want Mace to live with that same conflict, so, seeing a defeated Palpatine who Anakin believed posed no threat, and knowing his own ability to live with a lost hand, literally disarms Mace, so that no one died by the hand of another. Anakin actually learns from this in Return of the Jedi, when Luke moves to strike down Palpatine in anger and darkness, Vader *deflects* the attack, leaving Luke armed. Even as Vader, he is both calculating and caring, and in the end, that allows him to finally fulfill the prophecy of the Chosen One, and bring balance to the Force.
You are literally the first reactor I've ever watched who switched back and forth from laughing at Palpatine being over the top in his one-liners, to screaming at Mace Windu getting zapped. I have to admit that was so hilarious!
I think the tragedy of Anakin Skywalker was that, ultimately, he needed a father to lead him, not a brother. Qui Gon was supposed to be that for him. Instead, Palpatine took on that role and led Anakin to the darkside.
The braid and ponytail is a symbol of Jedi Rank in the order. In the previous film Anakin was still a padawan (trainee) so he had the padawan braid and short hair, whereas in this film he is a fully fledged Jedi Knight so no longer needs to braid and keep his hair short. He also wore darker clothing than the other Jedi to show his independence (and also a bit of foreshadowing from George) Also, Greivous is coughing because old boy Mace Windu literally crushed his chest with the force in the Clone Wars animation.
If you watch a bit more of the extended canon, you'll see how much Vader disassociates. To the point that he refers to Anakin as another person entirely.
Anakin killed the seperatists because the fact that Palpatine actually was their co-conspirator must nit be discovered. He's ordered to tie up the loose ends.
Qui Gonn spirit taught Obi Wan to become a force ghost, (at the end of the movie Yoda said to Obi that someone returned from the netherworld of the force). In all those years in solitude in Tatooine Obi Wan learnt it. That´s why he told Vader in episode IV: "if you strike me down, I´ll become more powerful that you can possibly imagine".
Excellent work you two, your emotions are so moving living through it decades from my youth. I'm a original fan got took to see star wars as a 5 year old with my big brother. I was hooked back in 1977 it was everywhere. You can't explain it to people now how it was back then it was massive. Every end film cliff hanger and endless questions was with us for years till the next one. As a kid I lived and breathed star wars throughout my childhood. All the kids at school was into it films Figures etc. I was so ground breaking you couldn't explain it to someone who never lived through that time. First day at school for being good my late mum bought me a figure and iconically it was my favourite of all charectors. My mum had no knowledge of the star wars universe only that I loved it. It was chewbacca and I treasure that figure not only as my fave character but sentimental reasons it was fate from my mother's choice for me.
It’s always awesome hearing from og fans. Thank you for the kind words and for sharing your own personal experience! We’re glad you stumbled across our video 😊 - Caleb
Watched all your reactions and seen how involved you both got in them. Can't see a rogue 1 or a solo one though. I'm not a Disney star wars fan as they have damaged the franchise in many ways. The best ones was George's films as he put his whole heart and soul into them. The vision he had for them was unbelievable. I Won't mention why as I don't want to spoil them for when you react to them. But maybe then you may understand why the OG fans dislike the new ones.
There's a channel that has edited scenes from A New Hope with Revenge. It shows the older Obi- Wan telling Luke that he's Obi- Wan.Telling Luke about his father. It's fantastically done. Alec Guinness probably knew something about the back story. His reactions while he remembers. ...just great acting!
here here !! I actually prefer when Caleb is there & we can see your thoughts bouncing off each other 🥰 keep on doin what yr doin guys... ignore the nay-sayer trolls ☮
@1:02:35 alright homies, about the Sith. 1,000 years ago, the Sith were legion, casting aside the Darth title so they can all be "equal". Darth Bane was an Apprentice at this time, but he felt that the Sith were flawed in their ways. He discovers a holocron from Darth Revan, who explains to him that the Dark Side is weak when spread amongst many. There must be one conduit, a dominant being who commands the full power of the Dark Side. And one Apprentice, who must either become more powerful than their master to succeed them, or die trying. Bane destroyed the Sith Legions, and went into hiding after creating the Rule of Two. Leaving only himself and his Apprentice, Darth Zannah, alive. He sees a vision of Palpatine fulfilling the Rule of Two's grand plan, and understands that this won't happen in his lifetime. So he begins a legacy for the Sith of secrecy and cunning, going undetected by the Jedi up until now, Revenge of the Sith.
So the thing with Anakin falling as quickly as he does has to do with two things, I think: 1) Circumstance and Manipulation: Palpatin knows how to play him. Anakin is FULLY aware of every bit of manipulation that Palpatin has enacted to play him, to play both sides of this war, everything. But Anakin is also completely out of other options at this point. So he compromises, rationalizes, or just straight up lies to himself to accept that whatever happens must now happen. To him, there simply is no other option, there is no way out, there is no alternative. At the same time he feeds himself on an ever-diminishing hope: saving Padme, and, as he states himself, overthrowing the Emperor once he has the chance. He just pushes ever onward, mostly out of desperation, blinding himself and becoming ever easier to direct. 2) The nature of the Dark Side. It's like an addiction. Use it once, and it will tempt you further. Fully submit to it once, and the desire for more will overtake you. But unlike drugs, the Dark Side doesn't really have a lethal dose, it just keeps pushing you further and further. And you can thrive on that, as Palpatin does. But you also become dependent on it. Palpatin doesn't just look like a twisted old man, he literally is one. If he stops using the Dark Side to sustain himself, he would essentially die instantly due to immediate organ failure. It's a feedback loop that catches you and traps you, essentially. Palpatin willingly submits to it, Anakin is forced into it, but once he's there, it is his only option. So basically, Palpatin orchestrates a situation where Anakin becomes increasingly stressed, unstable and dependent on him, and once he does something he can't come back from (killing Mace, in this case) his instability and the nature of the Dark Side will do the rest. Losing Padme is the final nail in the coffin. Without her he only has the power he now wields. So his mind is twisted further, to where that power is now all that matters, a defense mechanism because he has nothing else left. Anakin in the expanded canon of the franchise HATES himself. Because he knows how much he failed. He knows all his sins. Darth Vader becomes a second persona for him, a distinct other character who even claims that he himself killed Anakin, because Anakin was weak. I think it's actually one of the greatest, most complex characters ever created. You do have to kinda consume decades worth of media to get all the info though, with all the story retcons that have happened over the years. Anyways, kinda stumbled on this reaction today and wanted to give my two cents on that whole discussion. Kinda turned into a mini rant though. Cheers!
I just love that people are loving Hayden's acting in these films. The man has a natural talent with his facial expressions, not just being able to verbalize his lines. It was never the actor, it was the script. I'm glad you guys see that.
There are certain movies, no matter what happens to you, that just remain with you and always bring you to a special place, regardless of their quality. For me, “Revenge of the Sith” is one of those movies. I actually first saw this movie during my last day of high school. It was my first period, which was a computer science course. Everyone in my class were seniors and we were ready to graduate the following week, so instead of doing any kind of work, one of my peers brought a bootleg copy of RotS for all of us to watch. It was on a laptop, and everyone huddled close to see it. And let me tell you, it was a glorious sight to behold, even though we only saw the first half hour of the movie. Me and everyone else in class were just amazed by it, and when I finally saw it in theaters that evening, it was even more amazing. This is a movie I will never hate, and since it came out during a very special time of my life, it will always bring back great memories of my final days of childhood and passage into adulthood. It also helps that RotS is a great movie! 😊
There is so much allegory and symbolism in Star Wars relating to events in our history. The rise of Palpatine to emperor is basically the rise of Hitler and Nazi Germany (there's a reason the Empire's soldiers are called Stormtroopera and why Vader's helmet is the shape it is). Also, the fall of the Jedi Order shares many similarities with the fall of the Knights Templar on Friday the 13th of October, 1307.
We hear Qui-Gon's first message back through the Force along with Yoda in the meditation room in Episode 2. As Anakin wiped out the sandpeople of that village, Qui-Gon tried to yell out to him, "Anakin! Anakin! NO!" Also, in Episode 3, Anakin's last words before the mask seals up on his suit was, "Help me, Padme." It can be heard in this video too. I don't think the prophecy was specific on when or how. Anakin did bring balance at the end of 6 though. It was just Vader, Sidious, and Luke as a balanced Force user who controls his emotions without ignoring them or leaning into them. He tossed Sidious and got his life support zapped. All that was left was one balanced Force user. No Jedi Order, no Sith. Qui-Gon's my favorite. He's calm, he's wise, he's a teacher (even after death), and he wasn't afraid to learn and act, even against the Council's wishes as Yoda mentions to Obi-wan. He's all about what feels right, not what someone told him was right.
And that’s why he’s one of my favorite Jedi characters other than Luke, and Obi Wan from the Original trilogy. It was only after the fall of the Jedi orde and the Republic that Obi Wan became a lot more like Qui Gon.
Vader says "She was alive I felt it" which to me says that he definitely remembered choking Padme but presumably only did it enough to knock her out and keep her from interfering. I think that also compounds on the idea that Sidious killed Padme to keep Vader alive; when the helmet is lowered you can hear his heart beat stop until the breathing kicks in, there's a very distinct few seconds where his heart is stopped, the following shot is Padme's death, the implication being that she wasn't losing the will to live, but actively having her life force sapped away by Sidious to keep Vader from dying. Which then compounds on Plagueis' ability to "keep the one's he cared about from dying" because Plagueis taught everything he knew to Sidious and while it never says as much; given it's a Sith ability it makes sense that to keep someone from dying you'd have to take that life from something else that was was alive.
I have to admit, I'm honestly not that big a fan of the theory of Sidious using the force to sap Padme's life to heal Vader. I always figured because that would mean Sidious would've found out about the twins, and how they could be a potential threat to him and Vader eventually. That being said though, it does still sound better than Padme just dying of heartbreak, which I know is actually a thing, but that does still sound a bit lame.
Mistakes were made, limbs were lost, hearts were broken and orders of stalwart peacekeepers were betrayed. You can see why things are so dire come A New Hope.
Darth Plagueis the wise and Palpatine "created" life, and that´s why Shmi Skywalker was pregnant with no man. When Palpatine... Darth Plagueis apprentice... had all over control... he murdered his master Plagueis in his sleep.
53:57 Believe it or not, but much of the Sith's downfall was their own doing. Before the Rule of Two, there was a VAST Sith empire. It killed itself, literally. The Sith kept slaughtering each other for power.
When Obi-wan is unconscious in the beginning, and Palpatine tells Anakin to leave hime behind, Anakin says "His fate will be the same as ours". All three characters die upon the Death Star.
Caleb, you always bring great stuff to these reactions! Seeing you and Mage together is always a treat. Quick note on Jedi killing enemies: It is not against the code to kill enemies. Big difference between the deaths of Maul and Dooku. Maul was actively hostile and about to murder Obi-Wan. Dooku had been disarmed (literally 😂) and was now a defenseless prisoner. I think of it more is that Jedi are the absolute opposite of "results at any cost". If there is even a shred of possibility that an enemy can be negotiated with, captured, disarmed, and/or reasoned with, a Jedi is supposed to take that route. It speaks to the brilliance of Palpatine's plan. Because he forced the Jedi into a position where they felt they had to take up the role of generals and pit themselves against the ideals of their own code. Even as late as Episode II, Mace is still saying "we are Keepers of the Peace, not soldiers". This inevitably weakens their connection to the Force over years of war, leaving them perfectly vulnerable. Last note: You guys will LOVE Clone Wars. Essential Star Wars!
Great reaction Meg. Hands down my favorite Star Wars movie. The true Tragedy of Darth Vader and it hurts because of how PREVENTABLE it was. One of my favorite scenes is when Anakin is crying on Mustafar, because it shows his regret and remorse for what he's doing. The fight with Anakin vs Obi-Wan is nothing short of heartbreaking. Plus seeing Hayden's lightsaber move is always cool to see. Also if you get the chance there's a RUclipsr named Concordia Jedi made a series on his own original character set during the Prequels. I think you'd enjoy it.
It was wild to watch your reaction to this. As a lifelong Star Wars fan I saw this first as a teenager. Watching it alongside you highlighted the devastation of this film in a way I never quite felt before. Thank you for sharing your experience with us!
Peace is a lie, there is only PASSION. Through passion, we gain STRENGTH. Through strength, we gain POWER. Through power, we gain VICTORY. Through victory, our chains are BROKEN. The Force shall set us free. The Sith code.
when you guys go back and watch it again. at 34.44 knowing what you know now, is truly so sad. the last time you ever see obiwan and aninkin as freinds. also btw you brought up , if qui gon jin had lived and been master well, that is why in the phantom menace, the title of the song was called the duel of fates. if qui gon had lived, he would have prevented anikin from going to the dark side. and by losing and dying. we wound up where we wound up
There's a popular fan theory that Palpatine used Sith alchemy to siphon Padme's life force to save Vader's. If you listen carefully, there's a heartbeat sound when both Padme and Vader are on operating tables. It stops, then restarts when Vader takes his 1st breath in the mask. You can also almost make out Anakin's last words before the mask is attached as "Padme, help me!"
@@anathardayaldara broken heart in medical terms is called Arrhythmia, when the heartbeat slows or fails to beat effectively. Severe stress can cause this to occur even though genetics or bad lifestyle are the majority of causes. Finding out your boyfriend betrays everything you stand for, strangled you while pregnant, and going through birth all within a few hours would probably cause severe stress lol
@@sebganske1992 The word "popular" in this context means that it widely accepted. Your opinion about the quality of the theory doesn't have any influence on the number of fans that either accept or like it.
@StarkRG Widely mocked, sure. It's only accepted by the fringe of the community that can't accept that George wrote the poetry of her dying of a broken heart
I was seven when my uncle and I went to watch this. He liked Obi-Wan and I liked Anakin. We cheered as things looked like they were looking up. After Mace Windu’s death, I remember the entire theater went silent. Couldn’t tell if anyone was breathing Then Order 66 was initiated Some people started crying, I was one of them, as the Jedi were cut down, confused as to why this was happening to the heroes. Aren’t they supposed to win? Why were the Sith winning? Then things got worse as Anakin went further in the Dark Side, all the way to choking Padme. The tears did stop at the duel however. It was the best battle I’ve ever seen Then we reached the lava flow, and quite a few people were sobbing as Anakin burned. By the time the movie ended, everyone was quiet as we all walked out Even now, after all these years, it’s hard for me to see the end without feeling depressed
As for Anakin's seemingly swift turn, it was just that all of his previous experiences with his loved ones and the council had been leading up to this one, fateful decision in the chancellor's office. It was the Chosen One's first opportunity to fulfill his destiny and destroy the Sith. But he makes the, undeniably semi-rational, choice of saving Palpatine from an apparently hypocritical, code-breaking Windu's blade, and it's unfortunately the wrong decision and a one-way-ticket to the dark side of the force. Because you can't assist in the murder of a Jedi master to learn unnatural, death-defying dark side powers from a Sith Lord to control the fate of your forbidden wife and still be a Jedi. At that point you need to commit to the side you've chosen. You have no other choice. And that means amassing dark side power by committing atrocities to gain the falsely promised abilities that could possibly save Padmé. But the dark side is treacherous. Like a drug. It'll get you drunk with anger, hatred, jealousy and lust for power. And that's when you get lost in the sauce and choke out the woman you wanted to save in the first place, single-handedly causing the death you so desperately wanted to prevent. All in all, the choice was about as Sith as it gets. Mainly because of how selfish it was. Yeah it was out of love, but out of _selfish_ love. Anakin can't live without Padmé, so he decides that he will gain ultimate control over her fate, even when she told him that she doesn't want that and that she'll be alright on her own. Ironically, Padmé followed Yoda's advice about accepting things as they come much better than Anakin. Same thing with Shmi. She told Anakin to happily seize the opportunity that was given to him, to live his own life and to not look back. He obsessively looked back. With her dying words, she told him that she was complete and at peace. He declared a vengeful war on the Tuskens. He loved the women in his life immensely, no question, but he also consistently went against their will. He lived for selfish love. And it wasn't until his children, the literal embodiments of his and Padmé's love, inspired him with selfless acts that he learned a different kind of love. They made him learn to die for selfless love. Sacrificing himself to save his son, kill the Emperor, destroy the Sith, bring balance to the force and fulfill his destiny. And had he been selfless before, listened to Shmi, Padmé and Yoda and not selfishly clung to Palpatine and his false promises, that could've already happened many, many years and countless deaths earlier. But the circumstances just weren't in his favor. Qui-Gon's death, the flaws of the Jedi council and their code, the disconnect between him seeing Kenobi as a father while the latter saw him as a brother, the devilishly planned out manipulation by the Sith, all of that enabled the wrong choice he made. At the same time, it was still ultimately _his choice alone_ that doomed him and the galaxy. And it was _his choice alone_ that eventually saved his soul, and the day. That's what makes it powerful. After all, he really _is_ the Chosen One. It's a brilliantly written tragedy by one of the greatest, and simultaneously most baselessly shunned artists of our time. "George can retcon whatever he wants. He can do whatever he wants. He's a genius." ❤ If only more people had shared that sentiment, then the series would be in a much better place. But the audience likes to feel smarter than the artist and that leads to art getting dumber. Lucas's work was phenomenal, and its rejection was downright philistine. Now, for the remainder, I'd say the only truly worthwhile thing left is The Clone Wars. The non-canon 2003 miniseries (just Clone Wars) is phenomenal and honestly aligns with the tone and characterizations of the films much better than its successor from 2008, but that latter one is the canon version and also the last Star Wars piece that Lucas was involved with, while answering many questions, including possible ones about Qui-Gon, so I'd say both are more than worth checking out. Then there's also non-canon but fascinating books from before Disney, most notably "Darth Plagueis" and "Kenobi", if you want to experience some fascinating outside interpretations of certain characters and events. The only Disney content that gets it even remotely right is Rogue One and Andor, so maybe consider these too. Lastly, I can only say that it was an absolute pleasure to watch people who actually _get_ these movies react so passionately to them. That's the kind of people Lucas made them for, besides, you know, himself. May the force be with you!
fun fact: while anakin/vader is being operated on, you can hear his heart beat in that scene and just as his mask is being put on, you slightly see and hear him ask padme for help
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For those of you asking about the Clone Wars series!!!
Meg and I have already started it and have our first few unedited reactions posted on our Patreon (link in video description)! We're watching the series in chronological story arcs, so we're jumping around a bit, and we are LOVING it so far. I have also started diving into the comics and EU novels (I am currently going through the post-RoTS Marvel Vader series along with "Master & Apprecntice"). The edited reactions will of course end up here once I finish them, but rest assured, the Clone Wars journey has already begun. We want ALL THE STAR WARS.
Thanks again for giving us the opportunity to share these stories with you. Even though I have seen these movies before, experiencing them with Meg and with all of you has truly been something special. Star Wars came along when we needed it most, and we are so grateful to have received such a warm welcome to this galaxy far far away :)
Lots of love,
The Mage Family (Meg, Caleb, Yuna, & Bumi)
Amazing.
There's two Clone Wars shows that I can fit together, both the 2008 CG series and 2003 2D series.
Definitely get her to play Knights of the Old Republic 1 & 2 ASAP, that's an excellent idea.
@LaserDiscWarrior3043 I can fit it into the 2003 show.
Excellent, welcome to Clone Wars
Fun fact: when Dooku was at Anakin's mercy, he was supposed to say "protect me, Chancellor!" but Christopher Lee cringed at that line so he decided not to say anything at all and let his character die with somewhat more dignity.
Dying with silent dignity and not even outing the man who set him up...Lee really understood Dooku
To quote mark hamil
" Who talks like this George"😂
@@thegamingcook785To quote him, even!
Fun fact: in portuguese "Dooku" can be roughly translated to "from the ass" or even "I do anal" Star Wars is full of names with double meanings for us Brazilians
I agree, that line fucking sucks and would have blown the Sidious case wide open
Padme's last words:
"There is good in him... I know there is still...
Anakin's last words:
"... You were right..."
😭😭😭
Still doesn't change the fact that he did do terrible things as darth vader
@@aaronatkinson177nobody is beyond redemption, and it's never too late to be a good person
I guess you are right I'm sorry 😞 😔
@@86leewisPalpatine was beyond redemption lol
I think the reason why Anakin killing Dooku was so much worse than Obi Wan killing Maul is that Dooku was unarmed and defenseless. Anakin had already won the fight and they could have taken Dooku prisoner instead of killing him. Whereas Obi Wan was losing the fight with Maul before he got the jump on him and sliced him in half. Maul was still very much a threat, while Dooku was not.
Right, and Maul had already just killed Qui-Gon, who was a far more experienced Jedi than his Padawan. Kenobi was fighting for his life in that duel, and he barely won. Palatine was also speaking the truth when he said that Anakin wanted revenge on Dooku for what he did to him in Episode II. That is the reason why he sliced off his hands. Obi-Wan didn't kill Maul out of hatred. He did it because he had no choice.
I was about to say the same exact thing.
I think it's a little unfair on Obi Wan in the scene where he tells Anakin of the councils double agent request :
"Why are you asking this of me?"
"...The council is asking you."
He replies this way to show his own distaste of the request, Obi Wan doesn't want to have put Anakin in that position but the council does and unfortunately at this point Obi feels he has to keep his trust in the council 😢
Defenseless?
I'm sorry but no. Count Dooku is a Master level force user capable of wielding force lightning.
@@ImDerpyDuckif u really think about it from the Jedis point of view you realize anakin was never supposed to have that relationship with the chancellor or anyone so he could carry out missions against anyone, obi wan being in the middle about everything is one of the things that made anakin turn because qui gon fully didn’t agree with the council and he would’ve validated anakins feelings instead of confusing them like obi wan who seemed like he was making it seem like it was ok to do sometimes as long as you can control it because he didn’t stop anakin even tho he knew (“tell padme I said hi”)
Another aspect to Yoda’s philosophy: he’s like 800 years old, so when he says ‘learn to not get attached to anyone, because everybody is gonna die eventually’ he’s lived through that experience over and over and over again, he’s outlived everyone he ever met.
Which makes him an infuriating failure as a master when it comes to basic emotions lol. Saying to someone so obviously in emotional turmoil and grief "well learn to not grieve get over it dude" is helplessly bad
@@Dagenspear Well that only makes him more unlikeable. Because his species lives 900 years. Most don't live 100 years. Because HE got used to it in the course of his super long life he comes with the stance that everyone should be able to learn to just shrug it off.
@@frname7665 Anakin would've gotten better advice if he admitted WHO was the one he kept thinking was going to die. Yoda is working on barely any actual information.
@@chazo1367 Irrelevant, the advice is just bad
Yoda's advice is actually pretty good even for a human, when you take it as it intended - an old monk saying to accept the natural order and the idea that everyone will die one day.
But Anakin takes it quite differently
Hayden really doesn’t get the respect he deserves especially during the scene when Anakin learns that Padme is pregnant the way he portrays how conflicted his emotions are in those few seconds is very accurate to what the majority of guys feel when they are told or find out
Because frankly he wasn't all that great. To be honest though, it's not really on him. This is all still George Lucas' writing and direction still. He thinks it's all on the page, and just tells the actors: "Do this." I do feel bad that Hayden got a brunt of the criticism back then (because the movies were centred around his character who, lets face it, wasn't really likeable), but I'm definitely happy that he's been embraced by the fandom in recent years, and has finally gotten a chance to reprise the character under better writing and direction.
I agree completely. It was like watching a big brother turn when I saw episode 3 as a kid. The emotion is felt through it all. Most star wars guys that don't respect him are partially blinded through nostalgia of the old films. When I go back and rewatch the movies, episodes 2 and 3 feel so much more intense, and anakin is a major part of that.
@@movieswithmatticus5469yeahhh no one is going to follow your page with that bullshit
The man knows how to act with just his eyes. Not many other actors can do that.
@@thedefinitionisthis You really just did exactly what the comment is complaining about lmao
Watching Ep3 as an adult, versus watching it as a child, is insane. After processing trauma related to long-term narcissistic manipulation, there is so much that Ep3 got right that I didn’t understand until more recently - the absolute depth and reality of Anakin’s “irrationality,” “all-or-nothing,” seemingly-immediate hard-swap to unthinkable acts under Palpatine’s influence, like killing younglings… It’s all sooooo real. And it’s a testament to great writing and acting through both Anakin and Palpatine. The Skywalker Story is a tragedy of Shakespearean proportions: Anakin’s naive but genuine and powerful love, misunderstood by the Jedi, manipulated by Palpatine, groomed past critical points-of-no-return, until the only remaining option was to commit to a lifetime of slavery under the same manipulator. What prevents it being a total tragedy is the final redemption (why Anakin truly was the one to bring balance) of overthrowing the emperor at the cost of his own life.
Far from just being a “space western.” And Hayden’s performance, as an adult viewer and trauma/abuse-survivor, is absolutely gut-wrenchingly spot-on.
The other specific tie-in that hit (as I’m still listening to your post-film commentary) is the suuuuuper-good question of “after Anakin inadvertently helps Palpatine kill Windu while trying to de-escalate, why does he double-down and go straight evil?”
If you watch back through again now, knowing where the road goes, you’ll see Palpatine SOOOOOO expertly setting the stage as abusers do: “the Jedi don’t trust you, I’m the only one you can trust, they don’t understand you, they’d judge you, etc.” Abusers know that their actions occasionally do result in their victims feeling shame and regret, which could actually help them turn to others for help. Since that’s the last thing an abuser wants, they’ll preemptively guilt their victims into believing others wouldn’t help them. That way, Anakin feels like even by accident, he’d now be a total enemy of the Jedi - so he has no choice but to stick with Palpatine and hold onto the faint remaining hope “if I can use this to save Padme, maybe it can still be worth it.” It’s absolutely disgusting - because it’s absolutely accurate to real-life grooming/abuse/manipulation.
[Sorry, didn’t realize how soapbox-y this topic was going to get me 😂]
All of this is why at the end of the day Anakin is just a little abused orphan, even in all of his Darth Vader darkness.
Enslaved by the Hutts, then used by the Jedi and manipulated by Palpatine. He almost never had choices he made on his own without manipulation. Anakin’s choices, when he was ever allowed to truly make them, were to love: love total strangers in need, love his mother, love Padme, love Luke. And that love was the one thing most used against him by both Jedi and Sith.
Yep, they talk about force consumption and stuff, but it's all very very human. The confliction between love and hate, willing to destroy the world for someone you love, innocent and naive minds being corrupted, it's very real.
“You loved her. You will always love her. You could never will her death. Never. But you remember. You remember all of it. You remember the dragon that you brought Vader forward from your heart to slay. The cold venom in Vaders blood. The furnace of Vaders fury and the black hatred of seizing her throat to silence her lying mouth. And there is one blazing moment in which you finally understand that there was no dragon. That there was no Vader. That there was only you. Only Anakin Skywalker. That it was all you. Is you. Only you. You did it. You killed her. You killed her because finally, when you could have saved her. When you could have gone away with her. When you could have been thinking about her. You were thinking about yourself. It is in this blazing moment that you finally understand the trap of the dark side. The final cruelty of the Sith. Because now yourself is all you’ll ever have. This is how it feels to be Anakin Skywalker… Forever”.
RotS novelization by Matthew Stover
Y’all don’t understand how much you guys are helping me relive my childhood you guys are great!
Best novelization ever.
The novelization and seeing Obi-Wans perspective on seeing the video of the younglings was the puzzle piece that finally clicked for me for why the Jedi do not take older apprentices. it is simply too dangerous. The Force DOES influence emotions.
@@Adanu191Yeah I wish people would understand how the Force can effect Force users more. Anakin on the dark side here was practically a drug induced haze. Like how drugs and alcohol can make someone angry and irrational and do horrible things to people they wouldn't normally... the dark side does the same thing. Emotions for Jedi is just like alcohol, some Jedi can handle it better, some can't.
ouch, that is heavy.
@@scottb3034 It's a damn good book, tho. And reportedly, Lucas really liked it.
I like to think of it as a second (third? fourth?) draft of the story. A number of scenes make more sense, in the book.
@14:02 When Anakin states, "his fate will be the same as ours," was a prediction of them all dying on the Death Star together
Two different Death Stars
The scene of the republic happily surrendering to become an empire is such a good one
By the end of his manipulations, it makes perfect sense that people would believe the Jedi were taking over, considering that in just over a decade they went from reclusive monks to generals of a massive, nameless army, horribly mutilating a popular world popular leader while attempting to extrajudicially arrest him
The Clone Wars touches on this a bit more, but Palpatine was also constantly putting the blame on the Jedi and getting the public's opinion against them.
@@TehIdiotOne This is why I constantly say that the ONLY way the Jedi would have survived the Clone Wars is if they refused being conscripted as officers for the military. Left Coruscant entirely and went somewhere remote, and they could have pressured the galaxy into considering them a neutral organization for the war. They might have even managed to get both sides talking to them for peace talks eventually.
@@Adanu191I like this “What If…?” Star Wars edition. I can see Mace and the other council members supporting this initiative.
@@Adanu191 Given that Palpatine controlled both sides, the Jedi managing peace talks was unlikely.
I imagine Palps would have "won" the Clone Wars without the help of the Jedi, becoming the hero of the Republic; and then, falsifying evidence that the Jedi were helping the Separatists, painting them as the "true villains". Thus, leading a purge of the Jedi after the war was concluded.
There really was no way the Order was making it out alive, by this point.
@@smartalec2001 I disagree with this assessment. People believing the worst of the Jedi was in large part due to the clone army and Palpatine having direct control of PR for the war effort, blaming them for mistakes and whatnot.
Palpatine, while VERY good at what he does, cannot directly enslave the galaxy. He tried that, it's called the Empire, and there was a galactic rebellion when he did. Without direct supervision of the Jedi, he would have a lot less control over their narrative because people would be able to directly ask the Council and not have to go through the Republic to ask questions.
I honestly think they would have had a solid chance of surviving if they made themselves valuable to everyone around them and gained a good reputation.
Fun fact: when Hayden came in to play Anakin in Episode II, Ewan took him under his wing a bit (it was Hayden's first big role), so they did really develop the kind of friendship Anakin and Obi-Wan have. They still are good friends to this day.
Anakin wasn't possessed or compelled to commit the atrocities he did, more like he was manipulated into a mindset where he believed he was doing the right thing.
Windu forced Anakin to essentially make a choice between his wife and the jedi, and he chose his wife by saving palpatines life. After crossing that line, there would be no turning back, so Anakin committed to the path he chose so he could at least save the person he loved.
What comes after is a series of desperate, selfish, and arrogant decisions where his new plan is to serve the emperor until he could guarantee his family's safety and one day become powerful enough to overthrow the emperor for his own selfish aspirations. This is something that the emperor wanted because it would carry on the legacy of the sith and his replacement would be even more powerful and corrupt than he was.
When Anakin was left mutilated and crippled by obi wan, all that potential for a perfect heir was destroyed and palpatine was so disgusted and furious with his loss that he decided that Anakin was now unworthy to surpass him, choosing instead to enslave him in a cybernetic prison and keep him forever subservient and replaceable while the emperor continued rule the galaxy indefinitely.
@@patrickcromwell7554no, it was Windu. Palpatine was feigning weakness and defeat, sure. but like Anakin before with Dooku, Windu had a choice. and he chose to kill a “defenseless” foe who could have and should have been taken prisoner and put on trial. Palpatine knew that the Jedi had fallen so far off course by that point that Windu’s decision was obvious to him, he just wanted to have Anakin see it for himself
Windu killing Palpatine would not only erase all hope of saving Padme’s life, but it showed that the Jedi truly had lost their way as Palpatine had been whispering in his ear the whole time
i feel like not a lot of people realize Palpatine’s immense disappointment in Vader at the end of the movie. so glad you picked up on it. if you’ve seen the Clone Wars style animation of RoTS put out a couple months back, they have Palpatine give a subtle look away as Vader walks up to him on the bridge of the Star Destroyer. loved that add
True with real life. A lot of the horrors of wars were from people thinking they were doing the right thing killing innocent civilians or committing genocide. Which is what’s scary.
@@patrickcromwell7554 I'll put it this way: When I said that windu forced Anakin to make a choice, all I meant was that Anakin was required to take action to stop him from killing palpatine, who Anakin mistakenly believed he needed to save padme. In that moment, mace and palpatine represented the light side and the dark competing for the chosen one's loyalty. Palpatine forced Anakin in a position where he needed to make a choice to begin with, and windu forced him to take action for fear of the consequences if he didn't.
I can see how people say that palpatine made Anakin cross the line, I simply believe that both sides contributed to his downfall, so either could be correct. At the end of the day, the person I blame most for Anakins downfall is Anakin himself.
@@patrickcromwell7554You’re not wrong but… what had the Jedi done for Anakin to still trust them? Trust works both ways, and that man was still met with distrust despite all of his heroics in The Clone Wars.
The best manipulations require a kernel of truth, and the Jedi gave Palpatine the kernels of truth he needed to control Anakin.
emperor voice: "i have waited a loooong time for this moment...." Cackles maniacally. episode 3 tears are the best tears.
Only R2 still remembers, C3PO is only one who got his mind wiped. R2 is an Astromech Droid, not a Protocol Droid.
Also given the story and R2 being the only one to witness or hear about it all he's the one actually telling the whole story
also heard that R2 showed Luke most of what he witnessed in rots, including Pamde & Anakin’s final meeting
Hayden is such a good actor that when I watch the original trilogy and see Vader, I see Anakin.
And he wasn't even born yet.
Crazy.
Lol what? Hayden was terrible as Anakin
Lol at yourself, yanmeister!
Hayden was PERFECT as Anakin! As former actors, we can confirm that his mastery of subtlety is absolutely mesmerizing. He deserves NONE of the hate!
- Caleb
You can argue whether or not Hayden pulls off the James Earl Jones cadence, but you have to acknowledge he absolutely nails the David Prowse physicality.
@@yanmeister501st It wasn't Hayden, he has so much talent. It was the shitty script and writing, there were no opportunities for him to display it. Look at his performance in Ahsoka, he was the best part of the entire show
I see David Prowse (the physical actor for Vader in the OT) as an older Hayden, especially since they look so much alike.
An awesome thing to know for the duel between Anakin and Obi-Wan: George Lucas had planned to speed up the duel sequence but Hayden Christensen and Ewan McGregor practiced so much and so many times this duel that what we have is the actual speed. No CGI, no camera tricks, no speed up in post production, not even stunts, THEY are moving that fast.
I remember seeing this movie for the first time in 2005 as a kid with my father. We were blown away. I cried more for this than Bambi'sm other or Mufasa. I don't care if it has its flaws, to this day it's one my favorite movies and by far the best Star Wars with Empire Strikes Back.
And the lightsabers prop were vert light weight.
@@rodrigoferreramenezes5274 Well I imagine a literal laser blade is not exactly heavy
They had to be told to slow down because they were moving TOO fast for it to be believable. They practiced this so much that it was so quick and ingrained in their muscle memory.
@@chazo1367 I thought that was the Obi-Wan V. Maul fight after Qui-Gon gets Qui-GONE? Could very well be both but I feel like I remember that being from The Phantom Menace
I love the behind the scenes when, in one practice, Hayden suddenly drops the Lightsaber and you hear Ewan "Ouhhhhh, fingers?"
Its like "I didnt mean to hit you, but i know where i hit you ;)
I'm glad someone called Palpatine a groomer. Too many people accuse Padme of being a groomer when she hadn't even seen Anakin grow up. It was Palpatine who saw Anakin grow up.
I mean, there's only a five year difference between Anakin and Padme, and they fell in love when Anakin was 19 and Padme was 24, so I really don't see why some people have a problem with the ages in their relationship.
@@CloneCommanderCrater1102it’s usually just the fact she knew him when he was young and she was older and in a position of power in the galaxy. It’s not great logic from people but whatever
@awesomness36 so they are not allowed to fall in love? This logic is sick to me... if an adult knows a kid.... then many years later they reunite and fall in love people call that grooming.... I call it their buisness
@@robogreek3157 I’m not saying I agree with the perspective, I’m just presenting one people often have
Yeah I was happy when she called him that. Finally, someone used the word correctly on the right Star Wars character
The big difference between Obi-Wan cutting Maul in half and Anakin beheading Dooku is that Dooku was disarmed (literally). The Jedi code doesnt prohibit killing someone in combat, but executing someone you've clearly beaten is different.
He had for all intents and purposes surrendered. It's kind of how in real life, you're "allowed" to kill in warfare, but if the enemy combatant has surrendered you'll commit a warcrime.
@@TehIdiotOne Yeah, exactly. Though to be honest, both sides of any conflict in Star Wars, even the Jedi, are more or less constantly committing war crimes by our standards here on Earth, to the point where there are montages/compilations of all of the war crimes in The Clone Wars and Rebels you can find here on RUclips.
"His fate will be the same as ours."
Obi-Wan Kenobi. Dies on a Death Star.
Sheev Palpatine: Dies on a Death Star.
Anakin Skywalker: Dies on a Death Star.
Treachery is the way of the Sith. The novel talks about Dooku watching his own mentor coldly order his death, realizing that he was being played the whole time.
Plus, Anakin killed both of them lol.
@@SpFlash1523 Anakin actually killed all three of them, since the action Anakin took to kill Palpatine also led to his own death.
Palpatine didn’t compel Anakin, it’s all Anakin’s choices. He was manipulated, yes, but not through mysticism. Just misdirection and playing on Anakin’s faults. His fear of loss, his doubt in the Jedi, his anger, his thirst for renown.
There is a thought that he sent those dreams as a Sith to Anakin...
@@genghisgalahad8465 Except that the dreams came true. Which makes them premonitions rather than dreams. A few jedi such as Yoda are able to perceive the future. Anakin didn't train this ability so he couldn't see that his actions would be the cause of Padme's death.
@@atomictacco the idea, notion, or suspicion is that Palpatine/Sidious sent those possible future dreams TO Anakin, for Anakin to play it out, which he tragically would. He did intend for those dreams to come true, and since dreams don't always come true. The possibility was enacted in its showing. No foretelling no matter how accurate or systemic is ever foolproof, I don't think..
@atomictacco Yoda could not perceive the future clearly, clearly. He was no oracle. He might've gotten a sense of it, but he was no foreteller. It's not a skill he could learn pat and level up in as a Jedi.
@@genghisgalahad8465 That’s not compulsion though, that’s manipulation.
For the part about the Sith eyes, he didnt have it when he killed the jedi at the temple bc he was reluctant when doing it. Those were the only friends he ever knew.
With the Separtists, he enjoyed it. They caused so many issues for him and Padme for over a decade of his life.
There were roughly 10.000 Jedi before order 66, after it happened less than 100 remained. Also the Reason R2 never stays with the ship is because the last person to say that to him never came back.
@@scottb3034even if they find 100 more Jedi that would still mean Order 66 was 98% successful. There’s room for more survivors.
@@scottb3034 The son of the chosen was little meaning of betting on?
The galaxy is huge, as far as Obi-Wan and Yoda knew, they were the only ones that made it.
We have also seen several of these 100 survivors being chased down and killed by inqs... It doesnt dilute the severity of Order 66 at all.
Many Jedi died on Geonosis
Glad to see more people appreciate and understand how good of an actor Hayden is, and how perfect, and meant for the role he was.
The Sith eyes are a representation of a Force User who has completely embraced the Dark Side. A symbol of absolute devotion to anger and passion.
If you listen, when Senator Organa says to wipe 3PO’s mind, R2 laughs at him lol
It's funny because they retconned that in the new sequel trilogy. R2 has everything saved hehe
@ardenaudreyarji R2 isn't a protocol Droid, so they wouldn't have mind wiped him. He keeps his memory.
When you watch Ep VI first, Ep III hits hard.
When you watch Ep III first, then Ep VI hits hard.
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P-P-P-P-P-P-POWER!!!!!!
Fun fact, not only did they not clean up Vader's burns, they didn't even use anesthesia during his surgery.
Why? Palpatine's orders. He wanted to punish Vader for losing to Obi-Wan, and also because the pain would push him further to the dark side.
I don't think it was so much punishment as it was harnessing the pain to make him stronger
@@dylpickle0927 PAIN IS FAILURE LEAVING THE BODY lol that the sith way
I just imagine that the constant searing pain and regret keep Vader just off step enough for Palpatine to remain in control. The Emp knows what happens when Sith lords do not completely control their apprentices.
how do you know this
@dylpickle0927 Except the suit was subpar. Many of its components were considered outdated by the time Anakin was burned. So while the pain gave him power, the suit still held him back.
53:46 Long story short, no: The Sith Lords originally numbered in the thousands. Darth Bane saw that the Sith were continually defeated again and again by the Jedi for thousands of years and concluded that the only way to destroy the Jedi was through secrecy and manipulation. Bane tricked the other Dark Lords of the Sith into committing suicide (they detonated a Sith bomb in an attempt to kill as many Jedi as possible), and then rebuilt the Sith under the Rule of Two. Darth Sidious is the culmination of almost 1,000 years of the Grand Plan: the Sith plan to kill every Jedi and turn the Galactic Republic into a Sith Empire.
The Sith's greatest enemy is usually themselves, the betrayal and corruption inherent of becoming a Sith leads to infighting 9/10 times in Sith History, only once in Galactic History did the Jedi and Republic truly unjustly massacre the Sith. At the end of the Great Hyperspace war 5000 years prior to the events of the films the Republic went door to door on Sith worlds and killed every sith they could find. To point out it was the Republic that did this, the Jedi just didn't stop them.
Ewan is scottish, not irish
Edit: i love how they made grievous and anakin never meet in clone wars to keep that line intact, about Grievous being shorter than anakin expected
Edit 2: grievous wasnt a human, but he did have an organic body
And yet, they didn't worry about consistency with Anakin's line to Dooku about "the last time we met."
No Grievous was an actual human warrior from Planet Kalessh. He wanted to be like that later on. It explains in the novel I think
@@johnnymoreno5065No lie, I would love to see a series about Grievous. How scary and cunning he was as a human, then his ultimate transformation into a creepy bug-like cyborg.
@@johnnymoreno5065pretty sure he's like a lizard alien, not a human
@Progger11 Grievous, originally known as Qymaen Jai Sheelal, was a Kaleesh from the planet Kalee, he wasn't a human. But I do agree that a movie about his life would be really cool.
There is no compulsion that Anakin is following. Only fear. Palpatine played on all the fear and anger and emotion that he's never been able to let go, and used that to subtly maneuver him to wear he should be; on the council but not a master, a strong warrior and combatant but not going to take down grievous, even when windu had a saber to palpatine. His desperation and fear pushed him forward, and having been responsible for disarming windu, allowing him to die at the hands of a sith lord, he fell to the dark side as his only recourse.
There is no disassociation either; Anakin and Vader are the same person, and Anakin is fully aware of what he is doing.
You are the only reactor that I'm aware of who noticed that they didn't really bother treating Vader's wounds before the armor was put on. No anesthetic was used when the artificial limbs were attached to his nerve endings. His burns were hardly treated, only to remove what was left of his clothes fused to his skin to prevent infection. His burnt flesh would chafe inside the suit and the limbs and the sharp metal edges within the suit would poke, prod and drag on his skin.
Sidious had Vader's suite made intentionally to be agonizing. The only time Vader could find some semblance of peace was to remove his armor and bathe in bacta, his body would he scrubbed of necrotic flesh from the burns. He would meditate and think of Padme. The pain, a constant reminder. Which is why Vader is known to be so ruthless and cruel.
To clarify: Grievous is not a droid, he used to be an alien warlord but slowly became a cyborg in his quest to hunt down the jedi he hated so much. His cough is meant to create a parallel with Vader's breathing, you know as they are both jedi killing cyborgs
To clarify... it was not a slow process... he was betrayed and almost killed by the enemy of his people, and then they Robocopped him without consent into a full conversion cyborg, adding insult to injury as his cyborg body replicated the aliens he was fighting against, and the betrayal was blamed on the Jedi.
@@johannesbowers7467 Nope that's the legends backstory, and even then you got it wrong
In canon, and stated in 2008 clone wars before the Disney buy out, after the Yam'Rii war and training under Dooku began Grievous slowly augmented himself to stand a fair chance against the jedi, as he himself states "Improvements! I chose them! I submit to no one!"
Personally I like that backstory better, it gives Grievous character autonomy and it's more original than that cheap copy of Vader's story you were talking about
@@aitipsea3909 if your're gonna reference 2008 CW, then at least credit Greivous's cough to the torso damage inflicted by Mace Windu on the day of the Chancellor's kidnapping.
Everything Legends remains fully on the table and available unless and until specifically and explicitly rewritten or overwritten.... and even then, they are already running into contradictions within Mouse Canon.
@@johannesbowers7467 Non canon either, we see Grievous cough in 2008 way before the kidnapping of Palpatine
You see 2003 was made only to promote ROTS and to sell toys, literally, so George wanted to expand the war. At first they tried to keep things consistent by taking inspiration on the character designs but slowly they pretty much decided to completely retcon 03. This is why, for example, in the R2 arc and the first episode of the Malevolence arc Grievous doesn't cough to keep continuity, but on literally every other episode forward he does when they made the switch
@@aitipsea3909lol disney canon is garbage
Anakin's choices are based around a combination of manipulation and imagined slights mixed with his fears. Yoda said it in the first film. It was his fear of loss that drove his actions forward. He killed Windu in that one moment because in that moment the man threatened to take away the one chance he thought could save his wife. Anakin was willing to destroy everything he swore to defend, kill anyone: Man, woman or child as long as it meant he could save the life of his wife and children. He attacks her in anger in the heat of the moment without thinking of the consequences. I always get shades of MacBeth in his story.
That "your breaking my heart" gives me goosebumps every time. Shes so good.
Did Obi-wan know about Anakin and Padme?
"I am not blind, Padme. Though I have tried to be, for Anakin's sake. And for yours. Anakin has loved you since the day you met, in that horrible junk shop on Tatooine. He's never even tried to hide it, though we do not speak of it. We... pretend that I don't know. And i was happy to, because it made him happy. You made him happy, when nothing else ever truly could."
14:18 There's a HUGE difference between Obi-Wan cutting Maul in half, and Anakin beheading Dooku: Obi-Wan killed Maul in combat, while Maul was still very much armed and dangerous. Anakin executed Dooku, *after* Dooku had been disarmed (literally) and at Anakin's mercy. To illustrate: a cop shooting a bank robber in the action is justified. A cop shooting a bank robber in the head, once he is handcuffed and on the ground, is not.
"How isn't cutting in half a guy in the middle of a fight while he's trying to kill me the exact same as beheading a defeated kneeling opponent with no hands?" is certainly a question.
Well darth maul was still capable of killing him (and was in a more advantegous position), while Dooku was incapacitated of fighting. Im not saying Dooku was to be spared Im still open to justifying him being killed on the spot, but its absolutely not the same
@@zatharigo7815 Whoosh.
@@jmhaces pew!
Anakin's fall reminds me of a quote from my favorite Star Wars book - I, Jedi. It's a great book from the Legends (Old EU) about the main character finding their identity, and in this passage another Jedi says this:
"People start telling themselves they're amassing power for this goal or that, and they convince themselves that it's a good thing. Then when they get enough they find that circumstances have changed. They find they need more power or they need to wield this power in ways they didn't expect before. An opponent who won't listen to reason becomes a bug to be squashed instead of a friend who just needs to be convinced. Power comes to poison those who hoard it."
I always loved this line as it ties to Anakin's fall so perfectly.
The end of the beginning. You’ll probably watch all the other Star Wars content, but I for one cannot wait for Rogue One and Andor.
On a storytelling aspect, it’s the best that Star Wars has ever been.
Rogue One and Andor are indeed fantastic, its just such a bloody shame that the Ahsoka and Obi Wan shows were nowhere near as good.
i kinda hope that they see the clone wars show, it gives some more context and lore to the prequels, besides it is a really damn good series
I hope they watch 2003 Clone Wars at some point.
@@yeeykk1818 They probably will. My biggest fear is that they don’t watch any other Star Wars stuff until they finish the Clone Wars. That would last like three years with the rate they release specific content.
I wish the movie had shown the full Palpatine speech. If you're curious, here it is.
"Citizens of the civilized galaxy! Senators! On this day we mark a transition. For a thousand years, the Republic stood as the crowning achievement of civilized beings. But there were those who would set us against one another, and we took up arms to defend our way of life against the Separatists. In so doing, we never suspected that the greatest threat came from within.
The Jedi, and some within our own Senate, had conspired to create the shadow of Separatism using one of their own as the enemy's leader. They had hoped to grind the Republic into ruin. But the hatred in their hearts could not be hidden forever. At last, there came a day when our enemies showed their true natures.
The Jedi hoped to unleash their destructive power against the Republic by assassinating the head of government and usurping control of the clone army. But the aims of would-be tyrants were valiantly opposed by those without elitist, dangerous powers. The war is over. The Separatists have been eliminated and the Jedi rebellion has been foiled.
The remaining Jedi will be hunted down and defeated. Any collaborators will suffer the same fate. Those who protect the enemy are the enemy! Now is the time! Now we will strike back! Now we will destroy the destroyers! These are trying times, but we have passed the test. The attempt on my life has left me scarred and deformed, but I assure you, my resolve has never been stronger! The Clone War was our final test. It was the last gasp of the forces of darkness! Now we have left that darkness behind us forever, and a new day has begun! It is morning in the Republic!
Never again will we be divided! Never again will sector turn against sector, planet turn against planet, sibling turn against sibling. We are one nation, indivisible! To ensure that we will always stand together, that we will always speak with a single voice and act with a single hand, the Republic must change. We must evolve. We must grow. In order to ensure the security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganized into the first Galactic Empire for a safe and secure society!
We are an Empire that will continue to be ruled by this august body! We are an Empire that will never return to the political maneuvering and corruption that have wounded us so deeply. We are an Empire that will be directed by a single sovereign, chosen for life! We are an Empire ruled by the majority! An Empire ruled by a new Constitution! An Empire of laws, not of politicians! An Empire devoted to the preservation of a just society. We are an Empire that will stand for ten thousand years!
By bringing the entire galaxy under one law, one language, and the enlightened guidance of one individual, the corruption that plagued the Republic in its later years will never take root. Regional governors will eliminate the bureaucracy that allowed the Separatist movement to grow unchecked. A strong and growing military will ensure the rule of law.
Under the Empire's New Order, our most cherished beliefs will be safeguarded. We will defend our ideals by force of arms. We will give no ground to our enemies and will stand together against attacks from within or without. Let the enemies of the Empire take heed: those who challenge Imperial resolve will be crushed. We have taken on a task that will be difficult, but the people of the Empire are ready for the challenge. Because of our efforts, the galaxy has traded war for peace and anarchy for stability. Trillions of beings now look forward to a secure future.
The Empire will grow as more planets feel the call, from the Rim to the wilds of unknown space. Imperial citizens must do their part. Join our grand star fleet. Become the eyes of the Empire by reporting suspected insurrectionists. Travel to the corners of the galaxy to spread the principles of the New Order to barbarians. Build monuments and technical wonders that will speak of our glory for generations to come.
The Grand Army has tackled the dangerous work of fighting our enemies on the front lines. Many have died in their devotion to the Empire. Imperial citizens would do well to remember their example. The New Order of peace has triumphed over the shadowy secrecy of the Jedi. The direction of our course is clear. I will lead the Empire to glories beyond imagining. We have been tested, but we have emerged stronger. We move forward as one people: the Imperial citizens of the first Galactic Empire. We will prevail. Ten thousand years of peace begins today."
Is this from the novel, or a deleted scene? We might do a book talk video where we react to certain pages & passages.
@@MegMageReacts It's from an earlier draft. Back when the movie was supposed to be 3 and a half hours long. Never made it into filming because apparently it was too long. But I think it adds more context to why the senate willingly sacrificed liberty for order. Although the novelization does go into detail about how the battle of Coruscant seen at the beginning was organized by Palpatine specifically to create a 9/11-like event that he could use to manipulate the senate.
Man, I wish they took some of the extended/changed dialogue from the novel.
Anakin mentally breaking down in front of Mace and begging to talk to Obi-wan while telling him about Palps being a Sith was haunting.
Aka the most Charasmatic speech ever
"Peace is a lie." First line of the Sith Code. It is literally the basest, most essential line that acts as foundation for the philosophies, belief systems, and methods that all latter incarnations of the Sith built upon. From the Jen'Jedaii and Crimson Sith whom forged empires that shook the galaxy for thousands of years to the Religious Cult of Two whose grand plan was seemingly for the Republic and the Jedi Order to die of old age.
That sequence where it cross cuts between Padme giving birth while dying and Vader being born (where Anakin dies) might just be the most well edited sequence in the franchise.
Palpatine always looked disfigured, its explained in the lore how he was using Sith alchemy to hide his dark side corruption that had marked his face and body, when he was exposed to his own force lightning the ''spell'' was broken.
I think what you are talking about is the Legends comic Sithisis, but it doesn't outright say he was always disfigured. It's more leaning into Palpatine's execution of Buried Presence, an ability that allows the user to exist outside the Force undetected (different from Yoda and Obi-Wan cutting themselves off from the Force after order 66). That same comic goes on to say that his disfigurement in RotS is caused by the force lightening tearing away the seemingly innocent façade and allowing the physical manifestation of his truly evil nature to take hold.
Both are fascinating theories and I hope we get more Palpatine and Sith related media for the decade leading up to Phantom Menace.
Hayden has the best facial emotes....he really does show all the emotional ranges on his face and doesn't have to say a word. You see them and believe them and know exactly what his character is thinking
My friend on discord began calling General Grievous "Commander Covid" because of his coughing and i can't stop calling him that 😂
"I don't know. Anakin doesn't talk to me anymore." -R2D2
It’s never really portrayed properly how horrible the clone wars were. But here everything comes full circle. Everything that Yoda said in episode one came true, “Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering.” That’s what we see happen to Anakin in the prequels and what transforms him from Anakin Skywalker to Darth Vader. The fear of losing his mother and Padme turns to hate towards the Jedi and then to the suffering of having to live with the consequences of destroying everything he loved. But as we see even when he becomes Darth Vader, Anakin is the chosen one. He destroys the Sith, himself and the emperor because he is redeemed by his son.
Your husband looks like someone I would love to have as a buddy. He sounds great!
Dude seems so down to earth and chill.
Y’all are so nice, thank you 🥹 I would love to have you as pals too, I’m sure
- Caleb
@@GallantSectorYou should go to watch Clone Wars or Star Wars Tribute Chosen one by Hero Fans Productions or Tribute Darth Vader by Ilia TS.
May the force be with you and may you lead the force. ✋️
@@MegMageReactsYou should go to watch Clone Wars or Star Wars Tribute Chosen one by Hero Fans Productions or Tribute Darth Vader by Ilia TS.
May the force be with you and may you lead the force. ✋️
I agree. Both of them really
I'm so glad you guys felt every scene with Yoda. He's just such an embodiment of goodness and light in the universe that merely watching his cane drop to the floor is a powerful moment. Seeing him reel and clutch his heart from the deaths of all the Jedi is just gut-wrenching every time I watch it. The music helps sell it perfectly too (I sincerely believe this is John Williams' finest composition for any movie, and certainly the best among the Star Wars films). Then there's the fight with the Emperor, which is for me just as impactful as the battle between brothers coinciding with it. It's the ultimate forces of Light and Dark clashing, as Yoda desperately tries to defend the last gasp of the dead Republic as it all comes crashing down around him, with Sidious exulting and reveling in his dominion and ultimate victory. For my money it also has the best use of the Duel of the Fates score, even over the original usage of it in The Phantom Menace.
Anakin slaughtering the Separatist leaders makes a lot of sense frankly. He was never fond of the greedy war-profiteers of the Separatists, so killing them would've been one of the few of his violent acts in the new Empire that would have actually brought him some semblance of satisfaction. Gunray specifically wanted to have Padme assassinated in the previous movie, and several of them, Gunray included, were present during the execution in the arena, as well as aiding the Separatists in numerous atrocities through their financial backing and lending of supplies. They were also the only remaining powerful members of the opposition. Once Dooku and Grievous were dead, Gunray and the other squabbling cowards were all that was left.
It's really sad how Anakin didn't have Qui-Gon to guide him. Instead, had Palpatine to misguide him.
The way Palpatine’s full emperor voice coming out when he says good Anakin good which really reminds me of ROTJ with Luke and then when he tells Anakin he did well, he’s gone back to his Chancellor voice. Such good acting on Ian’s part
14:20 There's a big difference, Obi-wan cut Maul in half in an active battle to defeat him while Anakin had Dooku defeated then proceeded to execute him.
Yeah, Dooku had surrendered
One interesting point is that before Anakin kills Dooku, Palpatine says "He's too dangerous to be left alive", then before Mace attempts to kill Palpatine, Mace says "He has control over the courts and the Senate, He's Too Dangerous To Be Left Alive". No difference between the most physically capable Jedi (other than, perhaps, Yoda) and a Sith Lord. This makes his line to Obi-Wan hit so much harder - "from my point of view, the Jedi are evil" - in that moment, he isn't wrong.
Anakin regretted killing Dooku, and didn't want Mace to live with that same conflict, so, seeing a defeated Palpatine who Anakin believed posed no threat, and knowing his own ability to live with a lost hand, literally disarms Mace, so that no one died by the hand of another. Anakin actually learns from this in Return of the Jedi, when Luke moves to strike down Palpatine in anger and darkness, Vader *deflects* the attack, leaving Luke armed. Even as Vader, he is both calculating and caring, and in the end, that allows him to finally fulfill the prophecy of the Chosen One, and bring balance to the Force.
You are literally the first reactor I've ever watched who switched back and forth from laughing at Palpatine being over the top in his one-liners, to screaming at Mace Windu getting zapped. I have to admit that was so hilarious!
I think the tragedy of Anakin Skywalker was that, ultimately, he needed a father to lead him, not a brother. Qui Gon was supposed to be that for him. Instead, Palpatine took on that role and led Anakin to the darkside.
The braid and ponytail is a symbol of Jedi Rank in the order. In the previous film Anakin was still a padawan (trainee) so he had the padawan braid and short hair, whereas in this film he is a fully fledged Jedi Knight so no longer needs to braid and keep his hair short. He also wore darker clothing than the other Jedi to show his independence (and also a bit of foreshadowing from George)
Also, Greivous is coughing because old boy Mace Windu literally crushed his chest with the force in the Clone Wars animation.
If you watch a bit more of the extended canon, you'll see how much Vader disassociates. To the point that he refers to Anakin as another person entirely.
The story of the Prequels is of how a religion hands the Messiah over to the Devil.
Anakin killed the seperatists because the fact that Palpatine actually was their co-conspirator must nit be discovered. He's ordered to tie up the loose ends.
Let me tell you, I was a teenager when this came out and when I saw Hayden shirtless I almost fainted lol 🥰
Anakin fall to the dark side was very gradual. Happens over years but you see it happen in a split second
Qui Gonn spirit taught Obi Wan to become a force ghost, (at the end of the movie Yoda said to Obi that someone returned from the netherworld of the force). In all those years in solitude in Tatooine Obi Wan learnt it. That´s why he told Vader in episode IV: "if you strike me down, I´ll become more powerful that you can possibly imagine".
Excellent work you two, your emotions are so moving living through it decades from my youth. I'm a original fan got took to see star wars as a 5 year old with my big brother. I was hooked back in 1977 it was everywhere. You can't explain it to people now how it was back then it was massive. Every end film cliff hanger and endless questions was with us for years till the next one. As a kid I lived and breathed star wars throughout my childhood. All the kids at school was into it films Figures etc. I was so ground breaking you couldn't explain it to someone who never lived through that time. First day at school for being good my late mum bought me a figure and iconically it was my favourite of all charectors. My mum had no knowledge of the star wars universe only that I loved it. It was chewbacca and I treasure that figure not only as my fave character but sentimental reasons it was fate from my mother's choice for me.
It’s always awesome hearing from og fans. Thank you for the kind words and for sharing your own personal experience! We’re glad you stumbled across our video 😊
- Caleb
Watched all your reactions and seen how involved you both got in them. Can't see a rogue 1 or a solo one though. I'm not a Disney star wars fan as they have damaged the franchise in many ways. The best ones was George's films as he put his whole heart and soul into them. The vision he had for them was unbelievable. I Won't mention why as I don't want to spoil them for when you react to them. But maybe then you may understand why the OG fans dislike the new ones.
Palpatine: You're no match for him. He can only be defeated by dorks.
Obi-wan: Chancellor Palpatine, being dorks is our speciality.
There's a channel that has edited scenes from A New Hope with Revenge.
It shows the older Obi- Wan telling Luke that he's Obi- Wan.Telling Luke about his father.
It's fantastically done. Alec Guinness probably knew something about the back story.
His reactions while he remembers. ...just great acting!
My wife & I love it when you & Caleb are together for a reaction. Shame on those folks. Don’t let them bring you down. We love ya both.
here here !! I actually prefer when Caleb is there & we can see your thoughts bouncing off each other 🥰 keep on doin what yr doin guys... ignore the nay-sayer trolls ☮
@1:02:35 alright homies, about the Sith. 1,000 years ago, the Sith were legion, casting aside the Darth title so they can all be "equal". Darth Bane was an Apprentice at this time, but he felt that the Sith were flawed in their ways. He discovers a holocron from Darth Revan, who explains to him that the Dark Side is weak when spread amongst many. There must be one conduit, a dominant being who commands the full power of the Dark Side. And one Apprentice, who must either become more powerful than their master to succeed them, or die trying. Bane destroyed the Sith Legions, and went into hiding after creating the Rule of Two. Leaving only himself and his Apprentice, Darth Zannah, alive. He sees a vision of Palpatine fulfilling the Rule of Two's grand plan, and understands that this won't happen in his lifetime. So he begins a legacy for the Sith of secrecy and cunning, going undetected by the Jedi up until now, Revenge of the Sith.
So the thing with Anakin falling as quickly as he does has to do with two things, I think:
1) Circumstance and Manipulation: Palpatin knows how to play him. Anakin is FULLY aware of every bit of manipulation that Palpatin has enacted to play him, to play both sides of this war, everything. But Anakin is also completely out of other options at this point. So he compromises, rationalizes, or just straight up lies to himself to accept that whatever happens must now happen. To him, there simply is no other option, there is no way out, there is no alternative. At the same time he feeds himself on an ever-diminishing hope: saving Padme, and, as he states himself, overthrowing the Emperor once he has the chance. He just pushes ever onward, mostly out of desperation, blinding himself and becoming ever easier to direct.
2) The nature of the Dark Side. It's like an addiction. Use it once, and it will tempt you further. Fully submit to it once, and the desire for more will overtake you. But unlike drugs, the Dark Side doesn't really have a lethal dose, it just keeps pushing you further and further. And you can thrive on that, as Palpatin does. But you also become dependent on it. Palpatin doesn't just look like a twisted old man, he literally is one. If he stops using the Dark Side to sustain himself, he would essentially die instantly due to immediate organ failure. It's a feedback loop that catches you and traps you, essentially. Palpatin willingly submits to it, Anakin is forced into it, but once he's there, it is his only option.
So basically, Palpatin orchestrates a situation where Anakin becomes increasingly stressed, unstable and dependent on him, and once he does something he can't come back from (killing Mace, in this case) his instability and the nature of the Dark Side will do the rest. Losing Padme is the final nail in the coffin. Without her he only has the power he now wields. So his mind is twisted further, to where that power is now all that matters, a defense mechanism because he has nothing else left.
Anakin in the expanded canon of the franchise HATES himself. Because he knows how much he failed. He knows all his sins. Darth Vader becomes a second persona for him, a distinct other character who even claims that he himself killed Anakin, because Anakin was weak. I think it's actually one of the greatest, most complex characters ever created. You do have to kinda consume decades worth of media to get all the info though, with all the story retcons that have happened over the years.
Anyways, kinda stumbled on this reaction today and wanted to give my two cents on that whole discussion. Kinda turned into a mini rant though. Cheers!
You hit the nail right on the head.
I just love that people are loving Hayden's acting in these films. The man has a natural talent with his facial expressions, not just being able to verbalize his lines. It was never the actor, it was the script. I'm glad you guys see that.
Hayden is incredible! We love him!
There are certain movies, no matter what happens to you, that just remain with you and always bring you to a special place, regardless of their quality. For me, “Revenge of the Sith” is one of those movies.
I actually first saw this movie during my last day of high school. It was my first period, which was a computer science course. Everyone in my class were seniors and we were ready to graduate the following week, so instead of doing any kind of work, one of my peers brought a bootleg copy of RotS for all of us to watch. It was on a laptop, and everyone huddled close to see it. And let me tell you, it was a glorious sight to behold, even though we only saw the first half hour of the movie. Me and everyone else in class were just amazed by it, and when I finally saw it in theaters that evening, it was even more amazing.
This is a movie I will never hate, and since it came out during a very special time of my life, it will always bring back great memories of my final days of childhood and passage into adulthood. It also helps that RotS is a great movie! 😊
There is so much allegory and symbolism in Star Wars relating to events in our history. The rise of Palpatine to emperor is basically the rise of Hitler and Nazi Germany (there's a reason the Empire's soldiers are called Stormtroopera and why Vader's helmet is the shape it is). Also, the fall of the Jedi Order shares many similarities with the fall of the Knights Templar on Friday the 13th of October, 1307.
I am so GLAD that you pointed out how Palpatine was no different as a US President as he was based on Richard Nixon and the Watergate scandal.
Dude this movie is amazing and the ending is the best. I have always liked the dark side more than the light side.
We hear Qui-Gon's first message back through the Force along with Yoda in the meditation room in Episode 2. As Anakin wiped out the sandpeople of that village, Qui-Gon tried to yell out to him, "Anakin! Anakin! NO!"
Also, in Episode 3, Anakin's last words before the mask seals up on his suit was, "Help me, Padme." It can be heard in this video too.
I don't think the prophecy was specific on when or how. Anakin did bring balance at the end of 6 though. It was just Vader, Sidious, and Luke as a balanced Force user who controls his emotions without ignoring them or leaning into them. He tossed Sidious and got his life support zapped. All that was left was one balanced Force user. No Jedi Order, no Sith.
Qui-Gon's my favorite. He's calm, he's wise, he's a teacher (even after death), and he wasn't afraid to learn and act, even against the Council's wishes as Yoda mentions to Obi-wan. He's all about what feels right, not what someone told him was right.
And that’s why he’s one of my favorite Jedi characters other than Luke, and Obi Wan from the Original trilogy. It was only after the fall of the Jedi orde and the Republic that Obi Wan became a lot more like Qui Gon.
Vader says "She was alive I felt it" which to me says that he definitely remembered choking Padme but presumably only did it enough to knock her out and keep her from interfering. I think that also compounds on the idea that Sidious killed Padme to keep Vader alive; when the helmet is lowered you can hear his heart beat stop until the breathing kicks in, there's a very distinct few seconds where his heart is stopped, the following shot is Padme's death, the implication being that she wasn't losing the will to live, but actively having her life force sapped away by Sidious to keep Vader from dying. Which then compounds on Plagueis' ability to "keep the one's he cared about from dying" because Plagueis taught everything he knew to Sidious and while it never says as much; given it's a Sith ability it makes sense that to keep someone from dying you'd have to take that life from something else that was was alive.
That's a good theory. And Force Drain is a thing, this would simply be a variant of it.
I have to admit, I'm honestly not that big a fan of the theory of Sidious using the force to sap Padme's life to heal Vader. I always figured because that would mean Sidious would've found out about the twins, and how they could be a potential threat to him and Vader eventually.
That being said though, it does still sound better than Padme just dying of heartbreak, which I know is actually a thing, but that does still sound a bit lame.
Mistakes were made, limbs were lost, hearts were broken and orders of stalwart peacekeepers were betrayed. You can see why things are so dire come A New Hope.
Darth Plagueis the wise and Palpatine "created" life, and that´s why Shmi Skywalker was pregnant with no man. When Palpatine... Darth Plagueis apprentice... had all over control... he murdered his master Plagueis in his sleep.
“His fate will be the same as ours” - all 3 die by Anakin’s hand in a Death Star
49:30 He actually always did look like that.
He was using a dark side force ability to conceal his true appearance, that whole thing was just a show.
Ewan McGregor is Scottish not Irish
53:57
Believe it or not, but much of the Sith's downfall was their own doing. Before the Rule of Two, there was a VAST Sith empire. It killed itself, literally. The Sith kept slaughtering each other for power.
When Obi-wan is unconscious in the beginning, and Palpatine tells Anakin to leave hime behind, Anakin says "His fate will be the same as ours". All three characters die upon the Death Star.
Caleb, you always bring great stuff to these reactions! Seeing you and Mage together is always a treat.
Quick note on Jedi killing enemies: It is not against the code to kill enemies. Big difference between the deaths of Maul and Dooku. Maul was actively hostile and about to murder Obi-Wan. Dooku had been disarmed (literally 😂) and was now a defenseless prisoner. I think of it more is that Jedi are the absolute opposite of "results at any cost". If there is even a shred of possibility that an enemy can be negotiated with, captured, disarmed, and/or reasoned with, a Jedi is supposed to take that route.
It speaks to the brilliance of Palpatine's plan. Because he forced the Jedi into a position where they felt they had to take up the role of generals and pit themselves against the ideals of their own code. Even as late as Episode II, Mace is still saying "we are Keepers of the Peace, not soldiers". This inevitably weakens their connection to the Force over years of war, leaving them perfectly vulnerable.
Last note: You guys will LOVE Clone Wars. Essential Star Wars!
Great reaction Meg.
Hands down my favorite Star Wars movie. The true Tragedy of Darth Vader and it hurts because of how PREVENTABLE it was.
One of my favorite scenes is when Anakin is crying on Mustafar, because it shows his regret and remorse for what he's doing. The fight with Anakin vs Obi-Wan is nothing short of heartbreaking.
Plus seeing Hayden's lightsaber move is always cool to see.
Also if you get the chance there's a RUclipsr named Concordia Jedi made a series on his own original character set during the Prequels. I think you'd enjoy it.
You're absolutely right, names have power which is probably part of the reason why the sith rename their apprentice
R2D2 remembers everything, his mind wasn't wiped.
It was wild to watch your reaction to this. As a lifelong Star Wars fan I saw this first as a teenager. Watching it alongside you highlighted the devastation of this film in a way I never quite felt before. Thank you for sharing your experience with us!
Peace is a lie, there is only
PASSION.
Through passion, we gain STRENGTH.
Through strength, we gain
POWER.
Through power, we gain VICTORY.
Through victory, our chains are
BROKEN.
The Force shall set us free.
The Sith code.
when you guys go back and watch it again. at 34.44 knowing what you know now, is truly so sad. the last time you ever see obiwan and aninkin as freinds.
also btw you brought up , if qui gon jin had lived and been master
well, that is why in the phantom menace, the title of the song was called the duel of fates.
if qui gon had lived, he would have prevented anikin from going to the dark side. and by losing and dying. we wound up where we wound up
20:14 Honestly, this scene sold Hayden Christensen for me as Anakin Skywalker. The guy can show so much with his facial expressions alone. ACTING! 🎭
The prequel makes luke's moment even more impactfull when he says that he won't leave his father before vader's death.
There's a popular fan theory that Palpatine used Sith alchemy to siphon Padme's life force to save Vader's. If you listen carefully, there's a heartbeat sound when both Padme and Vader are on operating tables. It stops, then restarts when Vader takes his 1st breath in the mask. You can also almost make out Anakin's last words before the mask is attached as "Padme, help me!"
Pretty sure old palpy was the source of Anakin's visions as well.
@@anathardayaldara broken heart in medical terms is called Arrhythmia, when the heartbeat slows or fails to beat effectively.
Severe stress can cause this to occur even though genetics or bad lifestyle are the majority of causes.
Finding out your boyfriend betrays everything you stand for, strangled you while pregnant, and going through birth all within a few hours would probably cause severe stress lol
@@sebganske1992 The word "popular" in this context means that it widely accepted. Your opinion about the quality of the theory doesn't have any influence on the number of fans that either accept or like it.
@StarkRG Widely mocked, sure. It's only accepted by the fringe of the community that can't accept that George wrote the poetry of her dying of a broken heart
@@sebganske1992 Its a good theory that makes 10x more sense than "Am too sad, so I shall just die from the sad"
Such a high-standard masterpiece movie, in my opinion. Even so popular back where I am from, China!.
I am really happy that you guys enjoyed it!. :)
I have a feeling she's gonna love Andor... like any sane person.
Andor really is the best Star Wars that's ever been.
Calm down, now. People who don't like the same things you like aren't therefore "insane." 😂
✋️ Stop right there lol
I was seven when my uncle and I went to watch this. He liked Obi-Wan and I liked Anakin. We cheered as things looked like they were looking up. After Mace Windu’s death, I remember the entire theater went silent. Couldn’t tell if anyone was breathing
Then Order 66 was initiated
Some people started crying, I was one of them, as the Jedi were cut down, confused as to why this was happening to the heroes. Aren’t they supposed to win? Why were the Sith winning?
Then things got worse as Anakin went further in the Dark Side, all the way to choking Padme. The tears did stop at the duel however. It was the best battle I’ve ever seen
Then we reached the lava flow, and quite a few people were sobbing as Anakin burned. By the time the movie ended, everyone was quiet as we all walked out
Even now, after all these years, it’s hard for me to see the end without feeling depressed
As for Anakin's seemingly swift turn, it was just that all of his previous experiences with his loved ones and the council had been leading up to this one, fateful decision in the chancellor's office.
It was the Chosen One's first opportunity to fulfill his destiny and destroy the Sith.
But he makes the, undeniably semi-rational, choice of saving Palpatine from an apparently hypocritical, code-breaking Windu's blade, and it's unfortunately the wrong decision and a one-way-ticket to the dark side of the force.
Because you can't assist in the murder of a Jedi master to learn unnatural, death-defying dark side powers from a Sith Lord to control the fate of your forbidden wife and still be a Jedi.
At that point you need to commit to the side you've chosen. You have no other choice. And that means amassing dark side power by committing atrocities to gain the falsely promised abilities that could possibly save Padmé.
But the dark side is treacherous. Like a drug. It'll get you drunk with anger, hatred, jealousy and lust for power. And that's when you get lost in the sauce and choke out the woman you wanted to save in the first place, single-handedly causing the death you so desperately wanted to prevent.
All in all, the choice was about as Sith as it gets. Mainly because of how selfish it was.
Yeah it was out of love, but out of _selfish_ love.
Anakin can't live without Padmé, so he decides that he will gain ultimate control over her fate, even when she told him that she doesn't want that and that she'll be alright on her own.
Ironically, Padmé followed Yoda's advice about accepting things as they come much better than Anakin.
Same thing with Shmi.
She told Anakin to happily seize the opportunity that was given to him, to live his own life and to not look back.
He obsessively looked back.
With her dying words, she told him that she was complete and at peace.
He declared a vengeful war on the Tuskens.
He loved the women in his life immensely, no question, but he also consistently went against their will.
He lived for selfish love.
And it wasn't until his children, the literal embodiments of his and Padmé's love, inspired him with selfless acts that he learned a different kind of love.
They made him learn to die for selfless love.
Sacrificing himself to save his son, kill the Emperor, destroy the Sith, bring balance to the force and fulfill his destiny.
And had he been selfless before, listened to Shmi, Padmé and Yoda and not selfishly clung to Palpatine and his false promises, that could've already happened many, many years and countless deaths earlier.
But the circumstances just weren't in his favor.
Qui-Gon's death, the flaws of the Jedi council and their code, the disconnect between him seeing Kenobi as a father while the latter saw him as a brother, the devilishly planned out manipulation by the Sith, all of that enabled the wrong choice he made.
At the same time, it was still ultimately _his choice alone_ that doomed him and the galaxy.
And it was _his choice alone_ that eventually saved his soul, and the day.
That's what makes it powerful.
After all, he really _is_ the Chosen One.
It's a brilliantly written tragedy by one of the greatest, and simultaneously most baselessly shunned artists of our time.
"George can retcon whatever he wants. He can do whatever he wants. He's a genius." ❤
If only more people had shared that sentiment, then the series would be in a much better place.
But the audience likes to feel smarter than the artist and that leads to art getting dumber.
Lucas's work was phenomenal, and its rejection was downright philistine.
Now, for the remainder, I'd say the only truly worthwhile thing left is The Clone Wars.
The non-canon 2003 miniseries (just Clone Wars) is phenomenal and honestly aligns with the tone and characterizations of the films much better than its successor from 2008, but that latter one is the canon version and also the last Star Wars piece that Lucas was involved with, while answering many questions, including possible ones about Qui-Gon, so I'd say both are more than worth checking out.
Then there's also non-canon but fascinating books from before Disney, most notably "Darth Plagueis" and "Kenobi", if you want to experience some fascinating outside interpretations of certain characters and events.
The only Disney content that gets it even remotely right is Rogue One and Andor, so maybe consider these too.
Lastly, I can only say that it was an absolute pleasure to watch people who actually _get_ these movies react so passionately to them.
That's the kind of people Lucas made them for, besides, you know, himself.
May the force be with you!
Great comment, you got it!
fun fact: while anakin/vader is being operated on, you can hear his heart beat in that scene and just as his mask is being put on, you slightly see and hear him ask padme for help
I know the Sith are evil, but Palpatine is just spine-chillingly evil
I love how delighted, confused, and astonished Meg was when Palpatine was giving his "O" face while electrocuting Mace Windu!