Lutheran Rosary
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- Rosary beads can be a helpful tool for regulating your devotional life and memorization of Luther's Small Catechism.
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The Rosary also has some connection with Eastern Orthodoxy's prayer ropes which are older than the rosary.
Absolutely beautiful Rosary beads , I embrace my daily Holy rosary everyday , this is fantastic sharing video , more blessings for you to come as my brother in Christ ,
You are Peter and upon this rock I will build my church
His wonderful confession, the rock.
"But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be anathema. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be anathema." (Galatians 1:8-9)
In Christ
@@noahm44he became the rock because of his confession.
Also there is a rosary used by Saint Seraphim of Sarov.
I love Lutheranism.
I heard that Father Martin Luther prayed the rosary.
@@jupiterinaries6150 Correct. He prayed the pre-Tridentine Hail, Mary (Ave), which is the first half spoken of in this video.
The Hail Mary prayer is from Scripture and is a snapshot of the Incarnation of Jesus. The Rosary is a meditation on Scripture, and whenever I get distracted from the scripture story the “Hail Mary ”brings me back to the moment of the incarnation. Praying the first Part of the Hail Mary, the direct quote from Luke, works well for that as well. I stress the value of the Hail Mary as it keeps us focused on the Incarnation of Christ and makes it a very Incarnational prayer.
Question, as you were going along, telling how to do your Lutheran rosary and you mentioned "Recite the invocation"... Was is this invocation you were referring to, please? Thanks! 😀
Invocation is when the Triune God we worship is addressed (invoked). It typically goes like this: "In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit."
@@cypresslutheranparish1827 Ah yes, I know that.... I just didn't recognize it as an invocation. Thank you for me know this is what is what is called! "Peace be with you" ☮✝💜
I keep my prayers in a high school notebook. I don't think the Lord minds that I sometimes have to read my prayers to Him. They are genuine and from my heart. The Bible does not say anywhre that we pray to Mary. Just to God.I pray that God leads you out of the ELCA, back to the ALC or even the ELKD (the German Lutheran Church.) If I can't think of what to pray, I pray the Lords Prayer. God knows my mind and knows what I am asking, even if I don't.
Re: ALC, that it would return. I grew up in the ALC and it was nothing like the ELCA. The LCMS and WELS preach and teach the Bible and the Bible only. They dont preach anything NOT in it, and believe the Bible is totally accurate.
Thank you for sharing your comment. For the sake of clarity, we are a member of the LCC (Lutheran Church-Canada), which is a Canadian branch of the LCMS. We have no connections to the ELCA, and we adhere to the full authority of Scripture.
The bible you have was written by Catholics for Catholics, for 350 years before the bibke came into the form we have today in 380ad by Catholic councils.
Those same council members who recognized the HS inspiration of the NT writings chose 27 books out of all the alleged manuscripts claiming to have inspiration of apostolic authorship..
Does Lutheranism encourage monasticism? How do Lutherans view the Eucharist? Do they view it as the actual body and blood or is it more symbolic?
Thank you for your questions! About monasticism...
Most of the leaders of the Lutheran Reformation had left the monastic life. The Lutheran Confessions are critical of monasticism inasmuch as people take vows in order to merit forgiveness from God and enter a state of perfection. (Augsburg Confession XXVII 61) We reject the opinion of Thomas Aquinas that those who take monastic vows are a second Baptism. (Summa Theologica, II, 2, q. 189, a. 3 ad 3) We encourage obedience to the Ten Commandments in every vocation (Small and Large Catechism I), which the polemics of the Lutheran Confessions often set in conflict with perpetual vows of poverty, celibacy, and obedience to superiors. Lutherans view these "evangelical counsels" as unfounded in Holy Scripture.
That said, the Lutheran Confessions allow for the possibility of monasteries being restored to their original purpose - namely, training for godly service (Smalcald Articles III III 1). Martin Chemnitz wrote an address in his Enchiridion to "the very learned abbots and heads of monasteries... of the glorious duchy of Brunswick," which shows that the Lutheran Church preserved monasteries for at least a generation.
There is one active Lutheran monastery in North America by the name of Saint Augustine's House in Michigan. staugustines.house/ It is affiliated with the ELCA.
About the Eucharist...
The Lutheran Confessions continually assert that the body and blood of Christ are "truly and substantially present" in the and with the bread and wine. (Augsburg Confession X 1) The body and blood of Christ are received in the mouth whether one is a believer or not. (Epitome of the Formula of Concord VII 2) Unworthy reception results in condemnation (1 Corinthians 11:27, 29). Meanwhile, those who are worthy and prepared - namely, those who believe in the words of Christ, "this is my body... this is my blood, given and shed for you for the forgiveness of sins" receive exactly what these words say. (Small Catechism VI 10)
We reject symbolic interpretation of Jesus' words: "This is my body... this is my blood." We also reject the opinion of John Calvin that Jesus' body is as far away from any celebration of the Eucharist as heaven is from earth (Short Treatise, 19) At the Marburg Colloquy of 1529, Martin Luther and Ulrich Zwingli could not agree on the "mode" of Jesus' presence in the Eucharist.
We do not entertain the Roman Catholic Church's teaching of "transubstantiation," that the bread and wine are annihilated and replaced with Jesus' body and blood. (Smalcald Articles VI 5) The Lutheran Confessions allow that some change in the bread and wine occurs, but the bread and wine retain their substance. (1 Corinthians 10:16; 11:28) The Eucharist is simultaneously the bread and wine and the body and blood of Jesus.
@@cypresslutheranparish1827I know I am late to reply but thank you for taking the time to write to my questions. As for the rosary I picked up a 2003 Lenten style and a 2005 Longworth style rosaries. I look forward to reciting them with meditations on not only what I learned as a Roman Catholic but what I will learn studying Luther’s Small and Long Catechisms. 🙏
Thanks mate loved this video
thank you God bless!
See the RUclips video by The Joy of the Faith entitled "Carlo Acutis Eucharistic Miracles."
Why?
@@cypresslutheranparish1827 to learn.
Where does the lutheran faith gain its authority? Where the holy orders first offered to catholics yielded to lutherans at some-point?
Thank you for your question. This is an issue (holy orders/apostolic succession in the Lutheran tradition) I plan to address in the near future.
For the time being, I would direct you to an excellent video by Dr. Jordan B. Cooper (The AALC): ruclips.net/video/JJ8jy5X7KBg/видео.html
In brief: The first Lutheran teachers were validly ordained clergymen. Luther was a priest in the Augustinian Order, and Professor at Wittenberg University; Johannes Bugenhagen was a Dominican priest; and others like them had calls. They received their authority to teach and administer the Sacraments from the recognized churchly authorities.
It is our belief that they never lost this authority to teach and ordain, which was vested in them by the pre-Reformation church.
In this way the succession of ministers is maintained. Albeit, in the German territories during the Reformation, ordination was performed through the laying-on-of-hands by Luther and his priestly colleagues (presbyterial, rather than episcopal, ordination). This kind of "presbyterial succession" of holy orders is shown to have been acceptable during the early Church and even the later Middle Ages. The Lutheran Confessions cite St. Jerome to the effect that episcopal ordination is a custom of the church but not necessary by divine order.
Still today, it is customary for pastors in the Lutheran Church-Canada to be ordained by a "bishop" of sorts (Regional Pastor, we call them in LCC) In addition, we ask that at least three neighbouring clergy ratify his ordination, in line with Canon IV of the Council of Nicaea I (325).
Both the Lutheran and Roman Catholic churches received holy orders from the pre-Reformation church. I wouldn't say that either "yielded" authority to the other on that point. However, from the view of our Lutheran confession of faith, the RCC has departed from the Apostolic doctrine on certain points. Our authority is the Word of God as codified in the canonical Scriptures (Old and New Testaments) and guarded by the ministerium of the Church.
Not sure if this answers your question, but hope it helps to give a bit of context.
@@cypresslutheranparish1827 it answers it. but the uncertianty of those assertions seems rather broad. highly assuming even. for instance if luther is so heavyly dependent on his church having holy orders handed to them by the catholic authority. then it would seem hopefull that they should war or even continue on protesting the church that they by there own admission deem as necessary. conversly similarly ordained bishops and priests who were also ordained in the catholic church but maintained rightfully arriered to there duties should not then be concidered unrightious or unfit by this same rational. also, i'd like to mention that the validly ordained figures saw it as reasonable to EXCOMMUNICATE luther. a charge that could carry heavy implications not only in this life but also in the next. i say that to say either way following a man who is as hereticle as martin is is wrong and bad for his followers, uninformed as they are i would hope they would take it upon themselves to notice the diffrence. WALK TOWARDS THE LIGHT, CATHOLIC CHURCH AHEAD.
@@jasonvillegas3776 Thanks one again; I see you have well grasped the arguments.
Your central point is logical. However, you carry in some assumptions yourself (all stemming from Martin Luther being heretical), but that is in line with your Roman Catholic beliefs and I do not fault you. I had made the opposing claim that the medieval Roman Catholic hierarchy had departed from Apostolic teaching.
This is not the place to debate either claim and, in a similar spirit of concern you show to me, commend you to further honest investigation of the truth of the matter.
Suffice it to say that we Lutherans find the excommunication of Luther and company an unlawful abuse of the authority, in much the same way you find Luther's subsequent priestly acts of preaching and ordaining an abuse of authority.
I also must make the point clearer that the central authority is the Rule of Faith, namely, Scripture and the Creeds. Even teachers with valid orders such as Arius or Nestorius needed to be subject to this Rule. It bears remembering that the Nestorians and Monophysites rallied their own excommunications against the (unified) Catholic church, but we can both agree on what that amounts to. Therefore the question, again, lies with which church body adheres more closely to the deposit of faith.
I take pleasure in replying to your initial question (valid orders) because it can often serve as a barrier - "No valid orders, no discussion" is how it usually goes. I appreciate the opportunity for our viewers to hear from both sides and keep you in prayer.
@@cypresslutheranparish1827 actually it was a pleasure speaking to you as well, i guess we will have to agree to disagree. i must admit its not often i feel i have a constructive conversation. so for that i thank you and will definatly shoot up a prayer for you also. thanx for the well wishes and i wish you the best. hope to meet others like you in the future. goodluck, and takecare.
I just got into using a rosary I was looking for a Lutheran rosary but wasn't able to find one around my price range so I ended up by a roman Catholic rosary instead but I been studying how to use it as a Lutheran I got most of the things down the way that makes me feel closer to God but I'm having trouble remembering each of the mysteries do have any advice or a video that touches on/teaches the mysteries?
Actually even in Roman Catholic Church, the way to remember mystery is by read the written form of mysteries while reciting the rosary, and the correct way to remember the mistery is by reading the Bible verse that is the based on mystery before reciting Lord Prayer and 10 Hail Mary. So, even in Roman Catholic Church reading the Bible story about the mysteries is the most important part than repeating Hail Mary 10 times. So, I think as Lutheran you should use read the bible when praying the rosary, for 10 Hail Mary you can replace it to any prayer that don't contradict your theology.
Probably you can replace 10 Hail Mary(s) with Bible verse that related to mysteries for example after reading the Bible about Angel Gabriel meet Virgin Mary, you can recite "Be it done unto me according to thy word" 10x as replacement of 10 Hail Mary(s), and then ended it with Glory be.
And for first 3 Hail Mary(s) after creed and Lord prayer, I think you can substitute it with Tri-sagion (Holy God, Holy Mighty One, Holy Immortal One have mercy on us 3x).
After reciting all mysteries, you can close it with Pre-Trent Hail Mary or Magnificant, and possibly for sorrowful mystery you can use Stabat Mater Dolorosa for closing prayer/song.
Oh I tend to replace hail Mary with the Jesus prayer but I just have trouble with the whole luminous sorrowful and such and which scripture goes with what and which order they go in, but everything thing else I was able to get down.
@@SouthernRebels94 @@SouthernRebels94 You can try Scriptural Rosary (Psalm) from presentation ministry.
They replace 150 Hail Mary(s) with 150 verses from Psalm.
First three Hail Mary(s) can be replaced with Tri-sagion, and at the end of prayer you can pray Pre-Trent Hail Mary.
But of course only for joyful, sorrowful, and glorious mistery because it try to link rosary and 150 chapters of Psalm.
I recommend you to sing every psalm verse that they use for rosary like a psalter.
@SouthernRebels94 If you have access to the LSB (Lutheran Service Book), there is a Litany prayer which incorporates the mysteries of the life of Christ.
Can you please explain more deeply about praying with Mary?
Who said yes to God almighty Mary, jesus was sinnless and so is Mary, the rosary gives great glory to jesus
Mary, like us, was a sinner under Adam. Only Christ was man without sin. The teaching of the immaculate conception of Mary are false and not neccessary for Jesus to become man without Sin.
@@basketbasket1225 was jesus sinnless
@@basketbasket1225 hello my friend I would defiantly do more research on Mary she is full of grace(sinless) and will be called blessed by all generations
The Bible says it not me 😊
@@joanofarc708 Mary wasn't sinless the scriptures makes it clear Mary sacrifice a few doves for each sin she had committed to call Mary sinless would be calling God a liar since the scriptures are the words of God you are insulting God's words by falsely calling Mary sinless when we know by scripture she was not a sinless woman.
Nice
Why the agression to Mary from so many people, why NOT pray to her??? She's THE MOTHER of GOD
Not praying to someone is not aggression.
The Ecumenical Council of Ephesus (431) approved the title "Theotokos"/"Mother of God." None of the documents from that council mention prayers to Mary. She never once asked for our prayers. Prayers to Mary originated in a heretical monastic sect in the mid-3rd century AD.
the problem with the rosary is it becomes a man made thing. this takes prayer and makes it something its not. this makes it a "this is how much you HAVE TO pray a certain prayer" as opposed to calling upon our Father for our needs
I must disagree. This Rosary is based on the explanations Martin Luther provided in the Small Catechism. His intention was that it would be learned by rote, and repetition is the key to learning. The value of routine and repetition is something that we have sadly lost understanding of and must recover.
We Lutherans worship with fixed liturgical prayers and Scripture verses week after week. It is not a matter of doing it enough times, but rather, taking in Scripture and godly prayers at set intervals for ease of learning. The more we internalize God's revealed will for us, the more our prayers will be directed to Him with a view of our needs. These are not opposed to each other as you seem to assume.
Thank goodness I left the Lutheran Church. Praying to Mary is not Scriptural.
Lutherans do not pray to the saints, we pray with them.
@@Forever-tn7pe Nice try, boobiekins
He said Lutherans pray WITH Mary not TO her. I'm not sure what that means.
@@tatie7604 No, Lutherans remember Mary for the amazing example she set for us. We say Hail Mary remembering that Mary was blessed because she obeyed the Lord.
@@brendonpremkumar8207 Do you say the last part: Holy Mary, Mother of God...
What a bunch of nonsense Christ said don’t be repetitious in prayer