I think people are paying a premium specifically for a very small, but capable, NAS like that. I live in NYC and know many people with fairly high incomes ($200k+) who live in either small 1BR apartments, or in a slightly larger apartment that they share with roommates. You wouldn’t think so but theres definitely a market made up of people for whom money isn’t really an issue, but at the same time, space, power consumption, & noise still are.
@@Rushil69420 I just put giant hard drives in the old pc case ive been dragging around since I was 16. This is my fourth build in the same case and it has 6 drive bays. I boot off an m.2 nvme and have 6 12TB sas drives on an hba. I have been using linux on the desktop for the last decade so I just use zfs naitively. I agree with OP, stuff like this is kinda cringe. But if you live in (((nyc))), sure. oy vey
@@jollygoodfellow3957 NVME speed is completely useless for most home NAS systems. That's the issue with these low cost small NVME NAS systems. Unless you have 10+gigabit networking in your home or business all that speed is wasted because you are saturating your network speed far before you saturate the NVME bandwidth. It's like having a 300MPH capable car. It's really cool, but you'll never see that speed in usage unless you find a roadway capable of it as well.
I wonder what the user interface software looks like. For instance if you plug a tv into the hdmi port how do you get it to stream to that port. It must have an html control page accessible over LAN?
@HaloAceGamerTV That's the speed limit of the network interface, yes. Most of these NVME units are not designed with bleeding edge NVME sticks in mind, if for no other reason than almost no consumer network can keep up with that anyway, and most networks that can are servicing hardware in a totally different class than a 600 dollar QNAP.
10gbe is still expensive unfortunately. Even 2.5gbe is still not standard yet. I believe the day we see 10gbe ports coming standard with PC motherboards, then it will become mainstream and drop in price
Interesting. It would have been nice if you has put the model designation, i.e. TBS-464, in the description. As you rightly say, IMHO, with NVMe it should have 10gbe.
YT shorts has almost no space so we mention it right away. But fair point. 10GbE would be awesome but expensive and can get difficult to cool in a constrained space.
@@StorageReview No risk of overheating your Nvme's over 2.5gbe, so that's good. I didn't see a lot of cooling for the drives. I'd grab some beefy heatsinks.
@@StorageReview After shopping around a little bit today, I'm starting to think the solution I'm looking for is a small computer something like this, and a 5 Bay USB enclosure, not so mini but a lot easier to fit under a piano in the corner of my room, I just don't know how much I can trust a USB enclosure long-term tho. I wish there was more information out there about people running setups like that with truenas.
I agree. 6-12 m.2s are still small. Could be layered and still only be 1inch deep. Low power consumption, quiet and super fast. With 2tb drives coming down in price recently I'm surprised not to see more. Asus flashstor is the only one I can see.
Wow. Around the size of a router but is a NAS and presumably runs their full "QuTS hero" software? I'm impressed, but probably because I tend to think more about ones that are either all HDD or have a mix of HDD and SSD.
That cpu only has 8 gen3 pci-e lanes and some of them are already being used for the nics. It must be using a pci-e bridge like the asus ones. Read/write performance is pretty poor but i guess it wasn't built for speed
Why would no one buy it? These small NAS have a long history of success where small and nearly silent works well. Or you’re just upset we were sent it for review? Dunno but we don’t pay for anything we review for the most part and can still find a way to be honest.
You'll find that it's slow as molasses from what you expect and you won't find a proper method to truly make it perform like a NAS device, but sure try it if you want the challenge of a bleeding edge device.
Not for $600.
Seems like a pretty cool little unit! Could definitely use a network upgrade, but I can understand stopping at 2.5gb for more than a few reasons.
Cost and thermals are two. But yeah, faster would have been better.
Nice. Cool little design. I just hope they step up their security game.
Agree about QNAP's issues with security, but I don't know what they could do to convince me or others that they were taking security seriously.
Seems progress is happening.
So this is actually a mini pc with extra steps. But still good for nas if you got an 10GBPS ethernet
You really want to buy a NAS that small costing over 600 dollars?
I think people are paying a premium specifically for a very small, but capable, NAS like that.
I live in NYC and know many people with fairly high incomes ($200k+) who live in either small 1BR apartments, or in a slightly larger apartment that they share with roommates.
You wouldn’t think so but theres definitely a market made up of people for whom money isn’t really an issue, but at the same time, space, power consumption, & noise still are.
@@Rushil69420 I just put giant hard drives in the old pc case ive been dragging around since I was 16. This is my fourth build in the same case and it has 6 drive bays. I boot off an m.2 nvme and have 6 12TB sas drives on an hba. I have been using linux on the desktop for the last decade so I just use zfs naitively. I agree with OP, stuff like this is kinda cringe.
But if you live in (((nyc))), sure. oy vey
It's because of the NVME speed.
@@jollygoodfellow3957 NVME speed is completely useless for most home NAS systems.
That's the issue with these low cost small NVME NAS systems. Unless you have 10+gigabit networking in your home or business all that speed is wasted because you are saturating your network speed far before you saturate the NVME bandwidth.
It's like having a 300MPH capable car. It's really cool, but you'll never see that speed in usage unless you find a roadway capable of it as well.
I wonder what the user interface software looks like. For instance if you plug a tv into the hdmi port how do you get it to stream to that port. It must have an html control page accessible over LAN?
Hopefully synology comes out with their own version of the fireflashtor. Nvme ssds quiet.... but expensive I know
Nvme but max 250MB/s(500MB/s aggregation). What sense does it make? Why not just 4x sata SSD at that point?
Size I guess. You gonna fit 4 2.5 sdd in that small case?
@HaloAceGamerTV That's the speed limit of the network interface, yes.
Most of these NVME units are not designed with bleeding edge NVME sticks in mind, if for no other reason than almost no consumer network can keep up with that anyway, and most networks that can are servicing hardware in a totally different class than a 600 dollar QNAP.
10gbe is still expensive unfortunately.
Even 2.5gbe is still not standard yet. I believe the day we see 10gbe ports coming standard with PC motherboards, then it will become mainstream and drop in price
For nvme I would expect 25gbe or more
sfp+ is cheap though. These crummy big tech companies keep feeding consumers garbage.
When is synology going to catch up including 2.5gb Ethernet as standard.
Interesting.
It would have been nice if you has put the model designation, i.e. TBS-464, in the description.
As you rightly say, IMHO, with NVMe it should have 10gbe.
YT shorts has almost no space so we mention it right away. But fair point. 10GbE would be awesome but expensive and can get difficult to cool in a constrained space.
@@StorageReview No risk of overheating your Nvme's over 2.5gbe, so that's good. I didn't see a lot of cooling for the drives. I'd grab some beefy heatsinks.
@@StorageReview Sorry I did not know that YT shorts have a space limitation; my bad.
@@ahothabeth no problem. They only give 100 chars. Kinda lame.
@@technologyanimals video two coming. They send thermal pads and four decent heatsinks in the kit.
“This hot little NAS 🥵
Quick tip: apply a very strong de-esser to your audio, please!
I wish this came with 3 to 5 hard drive bays.
Then it’s not so mini any longer.
@@StorageReview I know right, anyway, I figured I'd just give your channel some more engagement lol.
@@xsterawesome probably not good to send Kevin off on this mission. Lol
@@StorageReview After shopping around a little bit today, I'm starting to think the solution I'm looking for is a small computer something like this, and a 5 Bay USB enclosure, not so mini but a lot easier to fit under a piano in the corner of my room, I just don't know how much I can trust a USB enclosure long-term tho.
I wish there was more information out there about people running setups like that with truenas.
I agree. 6-12 m.2s are still small. Could be layered and still only be 1inch deep. Low power consumption, quiet and super fast. With 2tb drives coming down in price recently I'm surprised not to see more. Asus flashstor is the only one I can see.
ssds and flash media are still currently 3x the cost if you should need a data recovery....factor that into your budget.
Wow. Around the size of a router but is a NAS and presumably runs their full "QuTS hero" software? I'm impressed, but probably because I tend to think more about ones that are either all HDD or have a mix of HDD and SSD.
Can I use it in video surveillance system?
Sure.
@@StorageReview thx
Did they improve their security?
This is probably better than most chromebooks
More power for sure.
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Very affordable?
4x4GB nvme?
4x8GB nvme?
That cpu only has 8 gen3 pci-e lanes and some of them are already being used for the nics. It must be using a pci-e bridge like the asus ones. Read/write performance is pretty poor but i guess it wasn't built for speed
Does celeron processer is enough for it....?!
For storage it is. Now if you want to run VMs on it with multiple tenants, then probably not.
Unfortunately no 10Gbe and worst the QNAP OS. To avoid absolutely
Is the a thunderbolt 3 or 4 version,
Neither. www.storagereview.com/review/qnap-tbs-464-mini-all-flash-nas-review
i just use a raspberrypi4 with a 1.5Ghz 4core cpu with 4GB of ram with a 32GB usb stick for a NAS
Just a single 32? Bump that up to four 256 GB
Link?
Who is this for?
Does Synology make small Nas like this or even smaller? For nvme SSDs .
They don’t have one like this.
even if they do, only their SSDs will be supported
What do the HDMI ports do?
Connect to TV and use it as a home theater pc.
nothing you would ever buy but when given to you for free you will talk positive about it I know how this works
Why would no one buy it? These small NAS have a long history of success where small and nearly silent works well. Or you’re just upset we were sent it for review? Dunno but we don’t pay for anything we review for the most part and can still find a way to be honest.
Sir SSD installation in local area network
How much does it consume per month in € or $ ?
What’s the purpose for 2 HDMI ports on a NAS ?
Two displays 😂😂😂
What does dual HDMI do?
dual displays.
Kinda disappointing they only put a Celeron n5xxx in it
This versus asustor?
we stopped covering Asustor if that gives you an idea ;)
Intel celeron doesn’t equal built good lol
These aren't selling so theyre trying to get em off to turn a profit and add 10-25gb ports on the next gen😂
Hot is right
2.5gbit. What a waste. That’s a no go right there.
You lost me at not having 10-gig ports
Very costly, and it runs on a Celeron, and you act as if it's the greatest thing on earth... too funny.
So my drives are capable of doing 40gbps but can't access it because it has ports upto 5gbps only?
Dumb...
Everything just looks like an overpriced consumer router these days.
You'll find that it's slow as molasses from what you expect and you won't find a proper method to truly make it perform like a NAS device, but sure try it if you want the challenge of a bleeding edge device.
Nvme with no 10Gbe = useless crap.
Expensive crap
Sounds a little mid...
Find us a better one. We love these boxes.
Celeron 🤢