CZ P-09 vs XDm 5.25
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- Опубликовано: 13 окт 2024
- Some shooting and comparison between two nice full-size 9mm shooters! Capacity for both is 19 + 1.
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I have had the P09 for close to 2 years now, around 5000 rounds through it and it works like a charm every time. The accuracy and shootability is just amazing and i like shooting it more than my glock.
To me the design is an evolution of the 1911, all in a good way, everything
I've had mine for about the same time period. Had nothing but fun with this gun. However I recently got a box of the g2 RIP ammo. Everytime I've tried to chamber these shells the slide doesn't close all the way, and will get stuck when I try to pull the slide back. I've never had any other trouble out of any ammunition before or since.
Did you have to replace your firing pin retaining pin prior to the 5000 rounds?
Don't dry fire CZ Firearms without a dummy around inside it eats up that roll pin that holds the firing pin and it fails.
@@JSTAR585 Using snap caps for training/ dryfire is just common sense.
Considering the $250 price difference, the CZ blows the Springfield out of the water!
The CZ has a captured slide, thus a lower recoil axis. It also has a much better trigger. The XDM is a good gun and the CZ is a great gun.
One of my favorite things about hickok's videos is when he takes a step you can hear all the brass clinking together on the ground.
I just bought a P-09 today, I'm absolutely in love with it
mooseyreaper ---I'm absolutely jealous !!!!!!!!
mooseyreaper I'm torn between p09 and 75sp01 what to do?
Emil Niec I say get the SP-01, I absolutely love my P-09, but the SP-01 would shoot a bit softer with the mass. my P-09 with a 22 round mag shoots fast and supremely smooth
Cool thanks for the advice
mooseyreaper CZ or sig 226?
Mr. Hickok, My first pistol ever was a CZ P09 after this review.
me too brother !! just bought one!! the 40 version , but i saw on cz webpage the .40 version was discontinued the last year that's a mess!!! but 9mm is still on production!!
@@jonathanuma me too brothers ! extremely satisfied ! saluti from Italy !
Me too. Proper end of the world defense system
My first one is the P09.... Love it
I just recently switched from an XD to a P-07 for my carry weapon. Good comparison Hickok!
I have the CZ P-09, but would love to have either. Just cleaned the P-09 tonight after 200 rounds. Love it! Thank you for all you have done for the gun community in large, and new shooter's in learning of the gun or guns they have and own. To me and I'm sure to a great many of others, you are a mint and a great teacher of firearms! God bless!
I bought a XDM 4.5 9MM three weeks ago. I tried and tried to like the way it shoots.... It SUCKS! So I came across this review, like what I saw went and bought the CZ P09 the same day. I LOVE THIS PISTOL! IT'S VERY! Well balanced and 10 times better than the XDM! And at a BETTER price than the XDM!
been looking at p-09 vids all night, I think after this vid I must own one!
I bought a P-09 about a year ago. One of the best decisions I have ever made. Bite the bullet and get a tritium front sight and a tactical rear sight. Worth every penny.
+Alex Terajewicz - do you have a manufacturer or part number in mind?
I own the CZ and out of the hundreds of pistols I have owned it is among one of my all-time favorites. Excellent feel, reliability ,and accuracy.. I have owned xd's in the past but do not anymore..
The CZ looks a heck of a lot better
shoots better too, plus no grip safety
I have both and the CZ is hands down the better shooter! I was very disappointed with the XDMs trigger! If that’s a competition trigger than a high point is the most dependable firearm on earth lol!
Love my cz the xdm trigger is uncomfortable to the finger tip
I guess like the car "enthusiasts" that like Ford or Chevy I would say this is a lot like that! I am a diehard CZ owner after never having owned a firearm I picked up a 85B and WOW!!!!!! Now I have a P-01, Tactical Sport, and soon to be P-09. Love em all.
Just bought the cz p09 in flat dark earth, and its awesome shooter and looking. Absouletely love it.
Me too, I havent shot it yet but I already love it. I like the fact it comes with tritium sights too. I have owned 2x SP-01's and I think the P-09 is an evolution of that in a way, thats just me.
***** the color is different than any flat dark earth Ive seen. I cant find accessories that match the same color.
I believe it is known as urban grey, which is a mix of fde and grey
I love my CZ P-O9. Shoots smooth with little recoil
Champ34 34 -do you wish you had gotten the .40 cal?
No because I have a Glock 23 .40 cal. already but I probably would have if i didn't already have one. Love the long distance accuracy on the CZ and the high capacity mag
Champ34 34 just picked one up!
John Lyle Cool man! You won't regret it
how does recoil compare to the 75 SP-01?
I own a XDM 5.25 in 9mm. That pistol is amazing. It has a smooth trigger, amazing sights and a natural point of aim and balance. Not to mention no malfunctions after about 1,500 rounds of a dozen different ammo manufacturers. Great pistol.
I love CZ. I think they are a poor mans Sig out of the box because they are equal out of the box at a much lower price point. Send a CZ to CZ Custom or Cajun Gunworks then it becomes a pistol at the same price as a stock Sig but far superior in every way. I like Sigs but the high bore axis is just ridiculous. CZ are known as the #1 wonder 9 in the world and next to a 1911 they are the most cloned pistols for a reason. They simply are the best ;)
sig ? the army is having all kinds of problems with the sig, cz all the way !!!!
@@pat4145 I think that's the army's fault for not fairly testing a gun that wasn't out for that long.
BTW have you seen that DAO P09 that CZ was considering entering into the MHS?
Just bought a cz Po9. Love this pistol glad I bought it great shooter!! 19+1 wow!!!!!
I just bought my XDM 5.25 and im in love with it. Shoots so smooth. Very accurate right out the box. Couldn't be more happy with it. Plus I found it for less then 700 here in AZ
Yeah, it's the price we pay for having a large audience. I block and delete stuff all the time, but it's hard to see every example of where somebody is promoting something or somebody.
hickok45 since I'm not legally allowed to own a gun yet, due to age. I own a CZ P-09 Airsoft full size replica, and it's made of the same stuff, the only difference is internals, and of course, caliber. And the texture/overall feel is very comfortable, and it's by far the most reliable, and durable replica weapon I own, and I plan on purchasing a real one when I'm old enough.
P.S: great video, I've watched, and enjoyed your content for a while now.
hickok45 /
I know this is a older video but your reviews really help with picking out new guns
19 + 1 in the chamber, and a 5'5 long barrel, perfect duty gun
Honestly Hickok, you're the best. Whenever I have any question regarding a gun, you're the one I go to first. I love watching all of your videos. I feel as though you ought to write a book with the gargantuan amount of knowledge you possess regarding weapons.
I've shot both. I ended up with the CZ P-09. . . . mostly because I prefer the style of trigger on the CZ. It is a fantastic gun. Glad to have it.
Greatly prefer the longer dust cover and pic rail and lack of crud injection port over the barrel of the CZ. I own a P-07, the compact version of the 09. It is stellar. Insane value for the money.
It is not the weight that makes all CZ pistol have very little recoil. It is the low slide that lets you get a higher grip of the gun and also the design with the slide inside the frame that allows most of the energy to dissipate down the frame. This helps reduces the muzzle flip and lets you be ready for a second shot in less time. That's why it is used so much in competitions. I have tested the CZ against heavier guns and there is no comparison, the CZ feels like a lower caliber.
my eye started twitching when hickok did not bring up the design of the slide.
exactly !!!
I just bought my CZ P09 $499 it's pure quality and feels great in the hand.Thanks for the show 45
I love my XDm... each time I venture out to another for a while and then take out the XDm, I'm reminded why I love it.
Been watching you for over a year now. You have taught me a lot. Love your videos sir! Keep up the good work. The camera man does a great job too!
I'm a huge fan of the whole XDM product line. Great quality firearms with an even better look, not to mention Springfield Armory has one of the last truly skilled armories that can do mostly any upgrade or addition.
"...that turkey over there needs a bullet..." classic, Hickok - beautifully classic.
YOU ARE MY HERO. I hope to have a range like yours one day!
Yea, his range is sick
I went shooting for my 1st time 2 weeks ago, and I gotta say Hickok is super impressive! True marksman
Hes been shooting for a LONG time, so he's had plenty of practice. It's been 8 years since your comment, how's your journey been? You still enjoying the sport?
cz all the way. not a fan of striker fired guns.
+TheEagleCorpse i feel the same exact way. but although i tried an SR9 and the striker fire wasn't that bad i kinda liked it but that being said i would rather a hammer
F N fnp9 but looking at a CZ p10c in 9mm
I'm glad I found your video. I was at the gunshop yesterday debating between the two. Now that you've provided me with more insight, it's time to go try them out and let the pistols do the talking. Either way, goodbye PX4 and hello something new! Lol
Thanks for the video, I went with the CZ. I always consult to see if it’s passed the “Hickok” approval before I buy any gun. Keep the videos coming 👍🏼👍🏼 NC love
I like some of Springfields pistols but a CZ PO7 or 9 would be chosen over any other 600$ handgun. Other than perhaps the Beretta M9 ,SIG p226, and costing less than 500$ it's an easy choice.
So awesome CZ for life!!!!
I just purchased a p-07 the other day, p-09 was just a little big for me. Already love it after one day at the range
Damn right 'life is good'. I gotta admit I freaked out when your account was temporarily suspended, im still trying to work through all your outstanding videos. The worlds shooting community would be poorer without you hickok45.
Been looking at the P-09 for awhile and hadn't really paid much attention to the XDm which I can clearly see now I should after personally owning a XD40 and have nothing but pleased with its performance. I really like CZ and nearly everything Manf. by the Co. is top notch so by choosing the P-09 I figured it'd be a safe bet. Like yourself I'm not a fan of Double Action and 100% Striker/Center fire. Although It never really persuaded me to not include it into my decision. Seeing your review and owning a SA already and very close to replacing my SR9c with a XD9s I may just keep it in the family and be a proud Papa of Springfield's. The cost of either may be a deciding factor for most if unable to purchase on sale or perhaps find a used one. For myself working for a retailer PT has it's perks when buying a firearm. Great video and as always a pleasure to be a local fan and follower. Thx Wil
Own a few CZ's and love them. I have shot the XDM and plan on getting one. They are both fantastic guns for sure.
The XDm's are amazing firearms! I, like him prefer them over most pistols... I do love my CZs but nothing is more accurate besides my custom 1911s but they also cost thousands... Another great review and rock on Springfield!
The XDs always look like they should have an orange tipped muzzle. It's like they went to Toys R Us to get ideas for their polymer. LOVE my P09
Nice video. Shows off features of both guns. I got the CZ P09. Went to range and my better half said she had to have one! So, we have his and hers.
I always do after work here in the UK never miss a vid!! keep up the good work Mr Hickok your a true inspiration. My dream is to get to a rang in the US one day.
The difference in the recoil is due to the high bore axis in the XDm. Measure the difference, it's quite a bit of difference in these 2 guns. I purchased a new XDm and sold it for this reason, it is the winner in the muzzle flip contest over any other 9mm I have ever owned.
Thanks Hickok45 for the great commentary and review! Both are great firearms and I would love to pick one of these up.. I just can't bring myself to break away from adding onto by Glock collection. lol.
Handled both firearms.....the CZ has a lower bore axis.....hence recoil.....purchased the CZ......
There's nothing better than the sound of gunfire.
Not a big fan of the XD guns BUT I do own a CZ 85B and P01 and these fit my hand absoulutely perfect and they shoot so true it is amazing!!!!! I am getting the P09 next even though Colorado is trying to keep me from getting magazines over 15. NOT GONNA HAPPEN!
I know it has been 4 years but here in the Colo Springs, my LGS usually sells with the full mag. Other times they are disassembled when you are buying. My P09 has the 18 round mag
nothing more relaxing than a glass of wine, warm slippers and Hickock45 to wind down after a long day.
I totally enjoy just watching you shoot ! Great video and commentary ! You rock !
The XDM is fully pre-cocked (single action trigger) without a manual safety. Not something I'd use outside of range fun. I do like that adjustable rear sight though. Just got a CZ P-09 for house gun duty. It is replacing a striker fired pistol.
Bought my 14 year old daughter a CZ-P07 and she loves it. It has a really nice trigger and is a great "bang for your buck" if you'll excuse the pun. Great video.
Ben Brandon wanna get my mom a pink p07, nice what color did you get her
Personally I prefer double-single action over striker fire mechanism, in my opinion single action triggers are much much nicer. Thanks for the video :)
That rare moment where Hickok completely loses his train of thought at around the seven minute mark. Good recovery.
Well The CZ has 2 trigger systems included. Decocker AND a manual safety that takes a minute to change. You can get the P-09 with night sights now for $500, or far less than the SA, and with a way better trigger pull if carried Cocked & Locked. And +1 to CZ for NO STUPID GRIP SAFETY. The recoil difference you noticed can be a little from the weight difference, but the bore axis of the CZ is so much lower, and therefore so much better than the SA that it is most likely the majority of why it shoots so much better. SA slide sits on top of the rails; CZ slide rides IN its rails. Oh, and the paint comes off the SA rear sights with very little daily carry. And the craptastic striker trigger pull. I sold my last XDm a year ago, but got another P-09 that is suppressor ready. So for me, BIG win for CZ here. And this from a guy who carries mostly Glocks for EDC.
I love my 5.25 and carrying it on duty. I have shot a couple thousand rounds out of it and have never has an issue. I bought it because of your first video on it. I also own a cz p01 compact that I bought over ten years ago and have never had an issue with it. Both are excellent firearms but I have yet to feel better ergonomics than the cz excluding their polymer models. Thanks for the great vids!!!
I'll never get tired of seeing the bullet when the camera is zoomed in.
I really like the CZ P-09,,nice!!!
Got to shoot A CZ PO9 this weekend. Was really impressed with overall performance & accuracy. Double single action! Don’t care for polymer, but this one is on my bucket list 🇸🇴💥🐺
720p is so good for seeing the oil on the guns and the pollen and bud on the 'cooking' scales.
My dept. carried the USP for a few years, then went to the glock for the past 18-19 years. Ive always preferred the sa/da hammer fired pistol. Bought a P-09 recently and am really happy with it. My only complaint is the de-cocker feels a little weird but is definitely not a deal breaker. Very accurate right out of the box. Great pistol!
I converted my P-09 to SA only with the conversion kit that is delivered with the gun. Decocker is now the safety and the first shot a crisp SA.
@hickok45 The othe reason why there less perceived recoil from the CZ is due to the low bore axis which puts the recoil more in line with your arm. I enjoy everything you do on your channel, thank you!
coming from my main firearm being my bolt action.22 holding 7 and sometimes my shotgun, having 19+1 is like saying I could have a car that reaches 75mph without rattling apart. exciting but it feels years away until I can get my hands on one. great video as always
Very nice videos hickok 45 , you have a fan from Croatia. I own a HS 2000 9mm, bought it in 1999 and its beutiful, reliabl and very acurate shooter.
Also the XDm flips more with the higher bore axis but it recovers lightening fast and doesn't push nearly as hard as guns with lower bore like Glock, M&P. Once you get used to the XDm it flattens way out. A key thing many people skip. The XDm shoots MUCH more accurate using grip tape or a grip treatment of some kind. The greasy plastic grip is a huge issue with the stock gun out of the box, IMO. Compare the XDm chamber to a case gauge, you'll be impressed.
This man serious shoots better with a handgun than some people can with a rifle or carbine. Keep at it Hickok45. The young-in's need someone to watch and learn from lol. And keep us all in our place.
When there are rounds in the magazine the follower depresses. The follower has a lip on it that holds the slide lock up by putting pressure on it when there is an empty mag. When inserting a "fresh" mag with force the magazine will push the lock up, and with no lip to hold it up it goes down dropping the slide.
Every day we have Hickok45 video is a good day!
XDm + Powder River Precision's competition trigger = awesome pistol
your awesome man, love your videos! you should seriously try a CZ p01 or a CZ sp01 sometime. they are awesome handguns for sure.
I was in the market for a beretta px4 storm sub compact, having owned a full size about 10 years ago. then at gun shop, glanced over and saw a shadow, man that thing just looked awesome! the p09 is probably closest to a shadow you can get, and right there and then bought it, threaded version, so 21 rounds, I'm very happy with my choice! awesome weapon
Hickok it would appear you have people spamming your comment section with inappropriate things, my sincerest condolences. More to the point, another great video as always!
Yeah... " cooking scale"
Millionaire101 lol. he cooks Meth then weighs it lol
🍃👱♂️
I caught that 😂😂
They cut out the XD slide to lighten it, specifically to reduce felt recoil. Many similarly designed competition guns are set up this way for the same reason. We've all seen the standard Glock/Zev 34/35 setups, along with heavy magwells and mag plates out on the range. This configuration reduces reciprocating mass, and lowers the center of gravity to control recoil (and make sure the mag drops, of course).
The slide cutouts on pistols of this design are there to diminish reciprocating mass. Less mass in motion should in turn allow lighter spring weights and less recoil disturbance from the slide and barrel action. The drawback on these non-fixed barrel setups is that they flip the barrel mass upward as the slide assembly cycles.
Following the same principle of physics, a heavier slide ...more reciprocating mass on the CZ would not necessarily favor less felt recoil unless there were a way to reduce upward leverage as the assembly cycles above the hand (primary fulcrum) and the (lighter, in this case) barrel rocks upward on the lug.
If I were looking for reasons as to why the CZ is more controllable, I would look to the combined differences in bore axis, guide rail support and location and the total reciprocating mass of the slide assembly (along with spring travel and weights). While the CZ slide may be heavier, it is also fully supported out to the end of the full length rail/dust cover. This setup distributes mass displacement more evenly across a greater bearing surface, and the entire assembly sits lower/closer to the hand. The barrel itself is slightly shorter and lighter than the XD, further reducing the amount of upward thrust generated by its mass.
The XD uses a short dust cover and partial forward rails that sit way back by the lug; much closer to the primary fulcrum, which is the shooter's hand. This arrangement concentrates most of the reciprocating energy and upward thrust to a single location, much closer to (and somewhat higher than) the hand. If you were to distribute five 50lb cement bags across a board (lever) resting one end on a wall (fulcrum) and lifting the other, which would require less lifting force?
A: Five bags distributed evenly from the fulcrum point out to the lifter
B: All five bags stacked very close to the fulcrum
Hopefully everyone got "B" and can see why the XD's upward thrust might be somewhat more difficult to control with equal force (though the XD energy would be slightly higher with the longer barrel) being exerted at the end of the barrel. If you want to use weight to stabilize a gun of this type, you typically want it at a lower center of mass, combined with favorable center balance ....and as little reciprocating mass as is practical.
Of course, there are always "it depends" factors and tradeoffs that mechanical models and testing are employed to prove out ....aka engineering, but a heavier CZ slide is not likely the simple answer ...if anyone gives two cents. ;-)
Tuning a competition gun can be tricky, I've found just the opposite of what you stated, lighter slides typically need heavier springs to operate reliably. Lighter slide with a lighter spring means less lock time which can lead to short stroking and feeding issues. The trick is finding the balance between slide weight / spring tension and hammer weight and hammer spring tension and combining them to run well with your ammunition load to get the combination of speed and reliability, which usually means a lot of trial and error and changing of springs. Lightening a slide has very little to do with felt recoil and more for cycling speed and reducing shooter fatigue. Just my own experiences.
The bore is also lower on the CZ, and the CZ is a bit narrower. The CZ also is a proper DA/SA with decocker. Personally, I prefer the CS SP01 Phantom gen2.
I watched the XDm videos that were posted and decided if Hickok45 kept the 5.25 9mm, I'd buy that one myself. I'm not at all disappointed. It's an excellent firearm, shoots fast and easy, right out of the box. I love my XDm!
I love seeing the bullet flying and impacting the steel when the camera is zoomed in. Hickok I don't know where you live man, but I would really like for you to try out and review my custom AR. I'm in Michigan. Let me know if you're interested.
Awesome videos man. Keep em' coming.
I love the Springfields, and I own several. However, the CZ has a great trigger great shooter and is a whopping $500! If you get the Cajun Gun Works trigger work done to it the pistol goes beyond exceptional.
Katrina Anon what's the price on the Cajun makeover??
Arco Cola ordered one. I put sights on it and bought the prograde . With sights about 900.00. Total
Arco Cola Depends on which one you get. I THINK the defensive makeover is around $300. Competition makeovers are more and depends on which trigger you select and other options.
He really seems to be more accurate with the XDM 5.25 than anything he has shot in other videos as of late. I love the new found push to get competition guns mainstreamed for IDPA and USPSA divisions. Sad that IDPA won't allow the 5.25 in the SSP division. Quicker target acquisition with my 5.25 than my Glock 34 or M&P core.
"I'm gonna lay it down hot" - he then proceeds with a jazz solo on the steel!
You need to do a video on the CZ 97b! I want that gun so bad but want to hear your thoughts on it!
I know exactly what the 97b is. Which is why I said I want it.
Nice trigger guard for gloves and I like the beaver tail. Really want to get one.
So THAT'S how hickok affords all his guns! That's no cooking scale! ;)
Another reason, I believe, for the CZ handling recoil better is the well-known low bore axis of the CZ platform. I do believe the P-09 is basically a Polymer version of the CZ-75, so it should enjoy that same wonderful low bore-axis of the CZ-75.
And I love me a good De-Cocker :) DA/SA/De-cocker configs are, IMHO, the best overall balance between safety and weapon-ready status.
Meanwhile, as of 2024, CZ states that the P-09 was discontinued 2023.
I just bought the P-09 Suppressor ready threaded 5.15" barrel, tall night sights, 2 - 21 round magazines, black. Found online# 499.99 clams.
Winner winner CZ dinner👍
I don't think Hickock has ever stated the distance out to the gong, or it's diameter ❓❓❓
Good comparison.
Hickoks muscle memory at this point has to be better than a machine! I hope Ill be half as good a shot with a pistol as he is!
Love the cz i got to shoot one today and needless to say i want one. Great trigger and alot of surface area for your hands! Really gives you a good grip
De-cocker, single and double action makes CZ more comfortable to me since I am primarily a revolver shooter.
You are the MAN Hickok!! You make it look soooo easy, lol..... Because of you I am a Glock fan, thanks. My first baby was my Sig P226 but now is my G17 3rd gen.
Thanks for the video. I like the decocker and the DA/SA of the CZ but the ergonomics of the XDm feels better.
"Let's see if I can hit anything in double-action." Ding. Ding. Ding. Ding. Ding. Haha gotta love it!
I absolutely love your setup you have Hickok
I had the Xdm 9 and the P09 9. I got the xdm first and was in love because it was accurate, reliable, and fun to shoot. Once I got my P09 it was all over for my xdm cause I rarely picked it up after that. The P09 is awesome. Accurate, reliable, and even more fun to shoot. The Omega trigger is so smooth and is so much better than the xdm's trigger. It feels awesome in your hands. My only complaint is that it doesn't have a safety decocker like my FNX 45.
The XDM 5.25 does a great job hiding it's length vs the 4.5" barrel of the P 09.
man, i love this channel. just bought the CZ
Great review as usual! Could the P09 recoil a bit less because the slide is set in the frame like all CZ pistols? My CZ 75 does kick a bit less than my G19, just a thought. Keep up the great work, you and Big John are the best!
The CZ has less recoil because of the internal rail system. The slide rides lower on the frame which transfers less energy to the frame and shooter. The higher the slide rides the more "leverage" it has, so more energy is transferred through to the shooter. If that makes sense?🤔
The biggest difference is the trigger. Cz s trigger is crisp with a SHORT reset. Xdm is somewhat spongey , with a ever so slightly longer reset.