What's inside a CFL, schematic, waveforms, failures

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  • Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
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    Today, let's take a look what's inside a Compact Fluorescent Lamp (CFL). I also reverse engineer the schematic and explain how does it work, I talk about possible failures and how to fix them, and I show some waveforms on my oscilloscope.

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  • @jaa93997
    @jaa93997 3 года назад +35

    Cat: reviews schematic for accuracy.
    Diodegonewild: pets cat.
    The force is well balanced here.

    • @KrotowX
      @KrotowX 3 года назад +2

      There are also dog autotransformer controller at 10:45.

  • @ryujinkondoragon
    @ryujinkondoragon 3 года назад +52

    This guy is the most didactic to teach that I have seen on RUclips Genius!

  • @SamSpiri
    @SamSpiri 4 года назад +34

    Thanks for revealing the black magic behind the schematic

    • @johncoops6897
      @johncoops6897 3 года назад +5

      The word "black" is important. These tubes are actually "dark suckers", and the electronics is used to start and run the sucking operation. You can see the darkened end of the spiral tube where the lamp has sucked up too much darkness and the filament has failed. If you look carefully, you will see that fluorescent tubes always start off pure white, but after many years of sucking darkness they become blackened. Sometimes you will find one that kept running long enough to get completely full of darkness, but usually the support electronics fail before they get 100% full.

    • @windshield11
      @windshield11 3 года назад

      @@johncoops6897 fax no printer

  • @johncoops6897
    @johncoops6897 3 года назад +5

    As a lighting engineer, I am amazed at how well this was explained. Many people will miss the fine details like the spluttering of the electrodes, etc. Excellent explanation of these now archaic devices.

  • @gordonwedman3179
    @gordonwedman3179 3 года назад +16

    The dog looks worried. " Master is playing with electricity again. Hope he fills my feed dish first in case something goes wrong!"

  • @Georgy-fg3bg
    @Georgy-fg3bg 3 года назад +48

    Excellent and comprehensive explanation as always. You're the best teacher I've ever seen. If you explain anything, the crash test dummy will understand it, and so will my cat. Bravo!

  • @TheEPROM9
    @TheEPROM9 3 года назад +6

    Nice detailed breakdown of how they work.

  • @jkobain
    @jkobain 3 года назад +4

    Missed you a lot, Danyk. Thank you for another video!

  • @anthonyvharris
    @anthonyvharris 3 года назад +3

    I always learn something new from you. Sniffing the inductors with a single turn is just too good. I will remember that.

  • @iamdarkyoshi
    @iamdarkyoshi 3 года назад +2

    Quite clever location of the electrolytic cap, in the base as far from the hot lamp as possible

  • @melkiorwiseman5234
    @melkiorwiseman5234 3 года назад +1

    Fun Fact: CFLs generally have two inductor cores (a cylindrical one and a toroidial one) which can be re-wound to use in a simple "Joule Thief" circuit. In fact, there is plenty of wire on the cylindrical inductor for you to re-wind both of them with lots of wire left over.
    You know those cheap LED strings which use 2x 1.5V AA cells? I've re-wired a few of those and packed the Joule Thief circuit into the space taken by one AA cell so the whole string runs off of the remaining AA cell. You get around the same life, but for half the cost.

  • @soulmate07748
    @soulmate07748 Год назад

    Excellent explanation of functions of all components. Best I've seen. Thank you.

  • @egesiege1979
    @egesiege1979 3 года назад +51

    Testing cfl with two screwdrivers off the live socket? :) are you trying to beat electroboom guy? ;)

    • @seanman6541
      @seanman6541 3 года назад +19

      Electroboom would have "accidentally" crossed the screwdrivers resulting in a huge shower of sparks.

  • @surendrathapa9441
    @surendrathapa9441 3 года назад +2

    Diodegonewild is best video channel. Thank yous so much , i learn more infromation from this channel

  • @bitterlemonboy
    @bitterlemonboy 3 года назад +2

    It is always a good day when DGW uploads

  • @pauldery7875
    @pauldery7875 Год назад

    You are so smart, I love watching your videos, so educational.

  • @humanseagull2744
    @humanseagull2744 3 года назад

    They look remarkably similar to a couple in my kitchen, you've saved me the job of doing my own autopsy on them

  • @thomasabraham5276
    @thomasabraham5276 3 года назад +1

    Very good explanations.Keep it up.

  • @saarike
    @saarike 3 года назад +2

    Excellent and interesting information about those circuits! Thank you.

  • @hashemel-salti7492
    @hashemel-salti7492 3 года назад +1

    Thanks Mr. DGW for this long awaited video about CFLs.
    As always including schematic and details of operation to your videos makes them invaluable.
    A small remark: I think the component in 22:07 is a diac not a diode.

    • @hashemel-salti7492
      @hashemel-salti7492 3 года назад

      Sorry, I was mistakenly heard it as "diode" but repeating that part clarify that you said "diac".

  • @Delali
    @Delali 3 года назад +5

    Gosh that screw driver hack got me laughing. I do that sometimes too. Hahaha

  • @hugoegon8148
    @hugoegon8148 3 года назад +4

    9:00 Wow, as a child I had the same metal tea box to collect something in it. TIME WARP. 🙃

    • @tiborbogi7457
      @tiborbogi7457 3 года назад +2

      Even a tea boxes was better last century. :-)

  • @ultrongaming1177
    @ultrongaming1177 3 года назад +1

    Pls make video on what's inside chargers i love to watch 😍😍
    And love you from India ☺️☺️

  • @gamiwv
    @gamiwv 3 года назад

    Excellent analysis

  • @ranjithalumullithody
    @ranjithalumullithody 3 года назад +3

    Please do a video on induction cooker.

  • @contemporiser
    @contemporiser 3 года назад +1

    That would be awesome if you could elaborate on how circuits could be manipulated by changing values of components, in order to achieve different output.

  • @kd5byb
    @kd5byb 8 месяцев назад

    Let's test them using a dodgy way... I bust out laughing! That was AWESOME.

  • @tejonBiker
    @tejonBiker 3 года назад +1

    Wonderful vídeo, I never get how this lamps works, the schematics looks super weird for me, thanks for sharing

  • @knorkeize
    @knorkeize 11 месяцев назад

    17:00 this actually is not a classic forward switcher, but an LC resonant switcher. The capacitor is not a middle point but part of the LC resonance and periodically charged and discharged over the half bridge (hence the 160V on average).

  • @7276556536
    @7276556536 3 года назад

    Complete informative video.i also like to UV light driver thanks

  • @TheJavaSync
    @TheJavaSync 3 года назад +1

    2:03 - nice tips & trick

  • @Miata822
    @Miata822 4 года назад +4

    Perhaps using a resistor between the wires to the blown heater rather than shorting them would provide a more durable repair.

    • @omyk22
      @omyk22 3 года назад +3

      I used 10ohm and repaired 3 lamps: first one lasted 1 month, second blow up after 5 minutes and last one didn't last 1 minute. So if tube is worn out it is always temporary repair.

    • @eDoc2020
      @eDoc2020 3 года назад +1

      @Rocky Robinson Where I live entire CFLs with ballast were cheaper than bare tubes due to energy efficiency incentive programs so replacing the tube would almost never make sense. Although I did have one unit which failed right away in the startup circuit. I took the good tube from that and paired it with the ballast from one with a burnt out tube.

  • @lordred7462
    @lordred7462 3 года назад

    I open mine broken osram cfl and reuse bulb part, on mine electronic failed. Reuse bulb part and make it preheat, put some magnetic ballast and old neon starter. still works fine in my homemade lamp.

  • @db1236
    @db1236 3 года назад +1

    More smps repairs please

  • @gkcnalaka
    @gkcnalaka 3 года назад +7

    Don't short heater pins.... use 4.7 ohoms 1/2w resistor .... it will run last long

    • @raffaellobottoni871
      @raffaellobottoni871 3 года назад +3

      Better put 8 Ohm so you balance inrush current as before!

  • @KrotowX
    @KrotowX 3 года назад +1

    You should add more dog autotransformer controller in your videos too. Or perhaps both pets.

  • @creativekristan8386
    @creativekristan8386 3 года назад +4

    I love your vids

  • @T2D.SteveArcs
    @T2D.SteveArcs Год назад

    Great video as always Dany, one observation, If the heaters/filaments are in series it may have been better to bypass the open one with a resistor so the good one doesn't see twice the normal voltage/current 🤔 its very similar to the " electronic transformer " circuit

  • @TheSpotify95
    @TheSpotify95 3 года назад

    Nice teardown :) I don't like CFLs though to be honest, because LEDs are way better in terms of lifespan, switching on/off cycles, and energy efficiency. Incandescent and halogen bulbs (whilst you can still get them on eBay) are also nice for use with dimmer switches, or for a traditional light (or in cupboards/areas where rapid switching of the bulbs means that CFLs and LEDs make no sense).

  • @gacherumburu9958
    @gacherumburu9958 3 года назад

    Thanks for the info..👍👌

  • @janno288
    @janno288 Год назад +1

    Hey, I have a question.
    Is it possible to add a PTC thermister on a instant-on CFL (at the place one is in a pre-heat CFL)?

  • @saalkz.a.9715
    @saalkz.a.9715 2 года назад

    "...and this is my dog." 😅
    🐶😒 "Oi, cut it out hooman! You're embarrassing me..."

  • @ancestralsecrets2489
    @ancestralsecrets2489 3 года назад +2

    Stylish way... 23:58 lowerrrr

  • @anoimo9013
    @anoimo9013 2 года назад

    are the voltages directly on the tube measurables?. Amazing video theres a lot of tricks

  • @nevilleborg5031
    @nevilleborg5031 3 года назад

    "bruuute forceee" ... Nice bigclive reference there...

  • @jdcompany2019
    @jdcompany2019 3 года назад

    11:48 Best WELL ever!

  • @RespawnRestricted
    @RespawnRestricted 3 года назад

    Just gave me an idea how to make a CFL test tool for older TVs

  • @kemalkurt5257
    @kemalkurt5257 3 года назад +2

    I think this lamps same as you open them few years ago when one of them making pink light due to no mercury inside of tube.

    • @kemalkurt5257
      @kemalkurt5257 3 года назад

      @oH well,lord! it could be because i remember exact same lamps and they were working that time

  • @RixtronixLAB
    @RixtronixLAB 2 года назад

    Nice info, can we replace the flourescent tube only, one element is open, thanks :)

  • @altfurr7276
    @altfurr7276 3 года назад +1

    can you replace the broken heater with equivalent resistor? Or maybe with inductor?

  • @Zebra_Paw
    @Zebra_Paw 3 года назад +1

    Never bypass a dead heater with a short! You have to add a resistor!

  • @vhm14u2c
    @vhm14u2c 3 года назад

    Thanks for sharing!

  • @vidasvv
    @vidasvv 3 года назад

    TNX 4 ANOTHER GREAT VIDEO !!!

  • @cameron20020
    @cameron20020 3 года назад

    i think the uv, visible light and heat from the tube broke down the plastic and made it offgas/turn brown. These things would have been more reliable with better thermal management

  • @electricbase1930
    @electricbase1930 3 года назад +1

    - The interface inductor...
    - My caaat...
    🤣🤣🤣

  • @Ka9radio_Mobile9
    @Ka9radio_Mobile9 3 года назад

    Need to train the cat to get some beer for the frig so next time he visits you will have some thing cool to drink! Lol Great video, Thanks! :-D

  • @bitelaserkhalif
    @bitelaserkhalif 3 года назад

    Never knew if there's any sealed ccfl, usually saw the one with exposed spirals

    • @hendranhw60
      @hendranhw60 3 года назад

      bad design, the heat from tube must broke the circuits

  • @EsotericArctos
    @EsotericArctos 3 года назад

    I wonder if the old tube repair would last longer if you put an 8Ohm resistor in place instead of shorting the old heater. It may make the other heater last longer.

  • @lordred7462
    @lordred7462 3 года назад

    electronic ballasts are better than old magnetic type with starters because when tube goes to end of life on electronic ballasts just shuts off but on magnetics start to flicker because ballast can't hold arc inside the tube and the starter try to start it and the cyclus repeats over and over until starter burn out. After that lamps just glows orange on cathodes and uses electricity doing nothing. If the fixture is in some commercial panel or in warehouse it can use electricity for years doing nothing, just glowing orange on ends.

  • @michalcz123
    @michalcz123 11 месяцев назад

    Kde jsi je sehnal (v té době)? Taky sháním podobné GU10.

  • @heemagauss8691
    @heemagauss8691 Год назад

    Downloaded

  • @janzahradnik8089
    @janzahradnik8089 2 года назад

    When the diac failed it doesnt start up?

  • @adamsucksatyt
    @adamsucksatyt 3 года назад

    Why does the CFL look familiar?

  • @FlowVirm
    @FlowVirm 3 года назад

    now i finally see the voltage output 1.6 kv

  • @phorzer32
    @phorzer32 3 года назад

    Please blow up the first one by shorting the inrush resistor! :D

  • @ancestralsecrets2489
    @ancestralsecrets2489 3 года назад +2

    Best english

  • @maneelectrotech2274
    @maneelectrotech2274 3 года назад

    I'm your subscriber from India.
    Your all videos are nice and very very informative.
    Please reverse engineering schematic of diesel Generator Automatic Voltage Regulator (AVR) please please 🙏🙏😊😊

  • @phorzer32
    @phorzer32 3 года назад

    Can you explain how your power-meter works?

  • @Larsema1
    @Larsema1 3 года назад

    Everytime he says "dodgy" my mousehand automaticly clicks the thumb :D

  • @Killerspieler0815
    @Killerspieler0815 3 года назад

    do the cat & dog come along ?

  • @Debraj1978
    @Debraj1978 3 года назад

    10:45 = Cat turned into dog, that is why, it is so shy.

  • @electronic7979
    @electronic7979 3 года назад +1

    👏👏👏

  • @iceberg789
    @iceberg789 3 года назад

    hi, how are you are measuring the ac power with that dmm ? can you please teach us ? :)

  • @jondough76
    @jondough76 3 года назад +1

    Bloody hell!

  • @godfreypoon5148
    @godfreypoon5148 Год назад

    It looks like you drew your schematics using AutoCAT.

  • @esunayg
    @esunayg 3 года назад

    the interference cat 14:00

  • @elecrticityelectronics8591
    @elecrticityelectronics8591 3 года назад

    How much exactly is the voltage across th neon tube... (across the 1,6 kv capacitor)?

    • @DiodeGoneWild
      @DiodeGoneWild  3 года назад +1

      I'd guess barely 100V when running, but several times higher during startup.

  • @c.schandra2134
    @c.schandra2134 3 года назад

    Hey does it is possible to use the electonic blast within the CFL or Tubelight as SMPS without feedback

    • @DiodeGoneWild
      @DiodeGoneWild  3 года назад +2

      It's definitely possible, but it may not be practical. In most cases it's better to use a power supply with a feedback. The CFL inverter maybe could be used as an electronic halogen transformer.

  • @valtersouzaribeiroribeiro9534
    @valtersouzaribeiroribeiro9534 3 года назад

    Good

  • @عليحمدان-د7ط
    @عليحمدان-د7ط 2 года назад

    ارجوك .................اين الترجمه المصاحبه للفيديو

  • @flyingfox8072
    @flyingfox8072 3 года назад

    How on earth you draw /trace the schematic?. Is there a simple method to do it?

    • @tiborbogi7457
      @tiborbogi7457 3 года назад

      No. But if you know how these circuits are usually built, or you have schematic of similar device and you try do it often you can learn it. It help make photos of each side.

  • @chongshenchang9367
    @chongshenchang9367 3 года назад

    Sir, how can we measure amps, watts, current etc with the help of a multimeter. Please reply.

    • @DiodeGoneWild
      @DiodeGoneWild  3 года назад +3

      danyk.cz/wmetr_en.html
      The shunt resistor is changed from 0.4 ohm to 4 ohm (additional 3.6 ohm) for the x0.1 range.

    • @tiborbogi7457
      @tiborbogi7457 3 года назад

      @@DiodeGoneWild Thank you for correcting me. That circuit is more complex, then I thought.

  • @ridenmanadam9363
    @ridenmanadam9363 3 года назад

    do you seen videos from amperak ?

  • @iamrap9
    @iamrap9 3 года назад +2

    Even more salt !!!

  • @JessicaFEREM
    @JessicaFEREM 3 года назад

    only DGW would shove screwdrivers into a power socket to test a lightbulb lmao
    never change

  • @Delali
    @Delali 3 года назад

    This video is 25 minutes long. Four minutes after being published someone says they’ve learned a lot and watched the whole thing. Am just here crunching numbers ....hihihi

    • @DiodeGoneWild
      @DiodeGoneWild  3 года назад +3

      My patrons can see my videos a day or two before they are published :).

  • @AgentOffice
    @AgentOffice 3 года назад +1

    I like 🐈

  • @marcse7en
    @marcse7en 3 года назад

    More like DialectGoneWild? 😂😂😂

  • @celsoneves2368
    @celsoneves2368 3 года назад

    l liked the vídeo!.

  • @asmahoseini4393
    @asmahoseini4393 2 года назад

    این چرا اینجوری حرف میزنه why is taking like that

  • @aspirin4709
    @aspirin4709 Год назад

    Crowd killer 2.0

  • @ababdjdj801
    @ababdjdj801 3 года назад

    S'il te plait, une traduction.

  • @thyristor419
    @thyristor419 3 года назад

    13:48👉🏻fullbriDge RectiFIeeeeRRR 😃😃😃😂😂😂

  • @vampy625
    @vampy625 3 года назад

    Where's the cat?

  • @1marcelfilms
    @1marcelfilms 8 месяцев назад

    What a horrible inefficient design. I wonder what the lumens per watt is for those, compared to a halogen lamp with a proper placed reflector.

  • @tobitechboy1461
    @tobitechboy1461 3 года назад

    Well that’s bin a wäääääil

  • @Comrade_YG
    @Comrade_YG 3 года назад +2

    HiiiiIII How are youuuuuUU ?

  • @poiiihy
    @poiiihy 3 года назад

    glyue 😆

  • @ledhunters
    @ledhunters 3 года назад +1

    All of your schematics are incomplete because you never explain characteristics of element called "cat". :D

  • @anindyamitra5091
    @anindyamitra5091 3 года назад +28

    11:05 "dog location" to the "cat location"😂, I like it!

    • @rkan2
      @rkan2 3 года назад +2

      when did he get a dog :O

    • @anindyamitra5091
      @anindyamitra5091 3 года назад +2

      @@rkan2 He had a dog already, the dog was featured in some of the previous videos as well.