Why EFAP Doesn't Discuss Politics | EFAP Highlight
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- Опубликовано: 16 сен 2024
- EFAP explains to Adam and Sitch why they avoid politics when discussing media.
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This reminds me, you need to add Organized Chaos getting disappointed at MauLer not getting mad at America Chavez having two moms. He was so disappointed that he couldn't find out MauLer's politics and dismiss his criticisms on that basis, easily one of the funniest moments of the whole past year of EFAP
Organized Chaos is such a scumbag. How that dude has an audience I will never know.
"Oh so he doesn't have anything to say about America having two moms? Okay..."
@@lennynull-funf-zehn5416 The cherry on top is how one of his own chat members calls him out on it, absolutely priceless
America has two moms and isnt ready to sacrifice herself for the whole multiverse, what did disney mean by that
It evokes the same reaction to JaredGenesis' reaction to Rags's" sexual preference: "Oh my god hes a Queer.."
They avoid discussing politics, yet still get accusations of being right wing. Even though they made fun of No Bullshit and Synthetic Man. You really can't win with these people.
Alt-right leftist podcast is my favorite descriptor
I mean at this point in time I think it's kind of pointless to describe one's political affiliation as right/left wing anyway... people have certain issues that they feel about in certain ways... to say "that's a right/left wing talking point therefore I must be that and the other side is evil" is the mindset that leads to lines like "If you like this (GOW: Ragnarok) you're not right wing" and "If you're (Eric July) libertarian then you have to support trans rights"
If you do not immediately, definitively, loudly, publicly, repeatedly and constantly denounce "bad people", you are right wing.
And when they criticizes the right wingers they are called woke
It's almost disturbing
Synthetic man is not right wing lol hes a cave dwelling manlett
I am so grateful MauLer doesn't go into politics in any of his stuff. It's so exhausting to bring the team sports into everything.
He does though. Like when he took swings at E;R
@@loserinasuit7880when did mauler swing at e;r
When was that?@@loserinasuit7880
@@loserinasuit7880 still waiting on a citation for that
Wolf, please add their reaction to Obi-Wan hiding Princess Leia under his trenchcoat. That is comedy gold.
*"Politics are distasteful... To me."*
-Jigsaw Baggins
Jigbo Baggsaw
Jilbo Basket
Three criteria: Blatancy, hostility, and meta commentary.
Blatancy: How heavy handed are they? E.g. Is there a massive title card stating "She is the HERo we need!"
Hostility: How aggressively are people put down to lift others up? E.g. She-Hulk needing to attack or put down Bruce to demonstrate her competency or ability.
Meta commentary: What are cast and crew saying and is it actually representative of the material? E.g. A show has elements which are suspect and then this is confirmed in interview to have had underlying identity politic reasons for the changes made.
Hyper-Blatant is a great phrase to describe a lot of the 'politics' in modern media
Your points are some of the major reasons that turned people incredibly hostile to GoW Ragnarok to this day. Even if nothing within the game was changed, if the people involved had kept their fucking mouths shut and not started antagonizing consumers online, I bet it would've been a lot easier to discuss the story and overall gameplay. Also, if there had been some effort in making Angroboda more a part of the world, instead of being relatively token (ironic), like say, for example, having her and her family be another instance of realm hoppers, like Kratos and Mimir.
This is why, until proven otherwise, I could never consider Arcane to fit any definition of "woke". Maybe the showrunners have gone out to virtue signal and be hostile towards shark-jumping dipshits, but otherwise, everything in their show is informed by the story, characters and world.
We need a supercut of everytime Rags gets drunk on stream
I would just love to have a highlight of that main incident everyone cites. That was so good. Poor Metal's stream.
@@professormallard4348Rags got drunk during a Forge/Mootal stream ? Poor German lol
They were playing one of those jackbox games and rags got very drunk
He put off taking a piss for 20 minutes just to express love and appreciation for everyone there
Best quote, in reference to how he met mauler, "I'm so glad that movie was so terrible that we got to be friends"
@@theabsolutetrashman3708 oh yeah, it was years ago now but I think he still has it on his archive. It's a great stream of a bunch of friendos getting drunk and playing games. My favorite part is when Rag's said Jay was his rock and anchored him in the river of life.
Need me a Rags’ Biden Moment Compilation
Thank you Wolf, for keeping me updated on Efap outside of the main channel you are and always have been a legend 🐺 🥛
Where is he though? He's the spoony of efap
Is wolf running this channel I thought he just completely left youtube
@@thunderlighting2006 mauler confirmed wolf is in charge of the channel idk if wolf is gonna be vocal about it tho, im just glad he’s still here
@@obscuramask7435he decided to stay away from being a public figure on the internet. Iirc it's because people were harassing his family and irl job because of his, very mild mind you, takes online.
@@stlsheepgames4231wolf streams every now and again.
I don't blame people for wanting to know which way an influencer leans, but it's kinda shit that 50% of askers usually wanna dismiss or totally agree with a person based on Politics.
It's interesting to see what viewpoints led to a particular video, but not worth the risk of being maligned by a particular base.
Honestly, I hope I never know their politics. It ruins the magic of EFAP if we were to know.
You see it on Reddit all the time. I followed so and so for years, then he /she made a slightly right leaning video and I don't want any of that stuff so i unsubscribed. Usually mentioned in topics like GaG, EFAP, AZ, Nerdrotic, Melonie Mac etc.
@@ljvwright I find it really funny how on the west people think Nerdrotic and others are "far right". Like, men, they are so milktoast people. If they know what we in eastern europe talk about.
“Milktoast”
Kek. It’s milquetoast
@@MysteriousStranger50 It is? I never saw it written so I assumeed it is mean is something so bland as when you eat a toast with milk. (I am not native so I am assumed it) But thanks for the information.
I appreciate having these highlights from non-EFAP streams featuring the guys. This was really interesting to listen to and I probably wouldn't have even known any of it got said if it wasn't posted here. I guess that just means the channel is serving its purpose perfectly. Politics do be cringe and it's a shame that "woke" has become such a vague and widely used term that no-one really understands anymore.
I feel like a lot of what people call "woke" these days is just simply progressive.
It becomes woke when it's obviously preaching to the audience about real world issues.
To that extend I think something can also be conservative and woke, something I expect the Daily Wire Snow White to be.
@@lennynull-funf-zehn5416 thats basically how its used
@@lennynull-funf-zehn5416 The word 'woke' came from very left-leaning, pro-identity politics zoomers on Twitter who genuinely thought they were enlightened in some way, and who used the term unironically to describe themselves, before it got turned against them. I don't see how the word can be used to describe something heavily conservative or right-leaning.
@@funkyfranx well considering that you have something called the red-pill movement, which refers to the red pill from the movie Matrix, which literally wakes you up from a fake dream world... that's just a different kind of "woke" the meaning still applies.
Obviously everyone who knows has their own theories of what is woke and what is progressive (or normal). Drinker has a good video, and I think I agree with him.
I recommend the Efap channel to my cousin and her friends. And the first thing they asked, is "Which way does he lean?".
Then i thought , okay, i guess hes not for you if thats the forst thing you care about.
The answer to that should always be, "Why do you care?"
I like to answer that question with, "well I dunno, I haven't pulled his pants down in a while, but I'll let you know if he calls me back."
It's really retarded that people use politics as parts of their personality
@@professormallard4348?
She just wants to measure him for a long suit
Thank you for this.
Lack of focus on politics is exactly why MauLer has my longest RUclips membership - I should probably get on Patreon at this point. Anyway, I ended my membership of several RUclips channels around the summer of 2020 because I was not interested in the rants about politics - especially about American politics - because I went to those creators for an escape, not for more of the same nonsense for which I decided to stop watching broadcast/cable TV. EFAP was and continues to be one of the few oases in the desert.
Fucking despise their mockery of Elden Ring.
I definitely agree. I sort of like The Critical Drinker, but i dont need a reminder about identity politics and other bullshit every single time a disney film is released and he talks about it. Mauler has the exact right amount of politics in his videos. He only comments on it when necessary, but it is never a big focus and normally he is not talking about whether the politics are correct but just how it impacts the film in question.
Rings of power is absolutely almost clearly Woke or at least extremely feminist. They replaced achievements of like 5 men with Galadriel. Pushed her into the story she was not supposed to be in.
A point of contrast there would be the LOTR films replacing Glorfindel with Arwin as the person who rescued Frodo from the Nazgûl in Fellowship; substituting a character for one that happens to check boxes isn’t necessarily woke on its own. That’s not to defend Rings of Power by any stretch, and it’s woke in many more ways than just that one aspect, it’s just to say that there can be other reasons for doing that such as streamlining the story for an adaptation, as with that change in LOTR.
“Absolutely almost clearly” is an excellent non commitment statement.
Just wanted to say, GREAT job choosing and editing these highlights
“Politics is Distasteful!…To me.”
-Bilbonious Fapperton
"Hello Politics, let's play a game"
Rags’s remembering so much of Rings of Power makes me hope he’s got a video cooking on it.
If not it's really funny that it's mentally damaged him
@@thunderlighting2006Well Lotr is one of the top 3 best trilogies if not the best, and Rags loves the series so much that bastardisation of that beloved trilogy by tying characters he knows from the original trilogy to the below par, unfitting and character assassinated craptards really upsets him, as it should. Fuck Amazon.
I can't blame people for jumping the gun with calling woke nowadays. Alot of people have been catfished too many times
Even though its outside EFAP (technically) its great that you posted this, provides a broader context as to where the EFAP crew stands on certain topics. Good job. Politics is GHEY.
I definitely have adopted the same attitude when it comes to politics especially when I begin to realize that no matter what party you support or not support they don't give a crap about you in any shape or form so instead I will do the best I can for myself and the people around me and treat people with respect until they don't respect me
I will say: Politics isn't cringe by any means. It's very important to be involved with the goings-on of your civilization, even (and perhaps especially) in regards to media because it influences people; however, sometimes I have no interest in watching political things. Sometimes, I just want to get away from all of that and enjoy myself, and that's why I love EFAP so much.
Politics has very much become the epicenter of American pop culture.
It was interesting at first but has become mentally exhausting and infuriating, at least it has for me.
I think it’s cringe in the capacity that, if it’s all that matters in terms of the product, then it doesn’t matter which “side” you fall on, it’s equally bad. For instance, I _suppose_ I fall more on the right than on the left? But that doesn’t mean I think a film’s good because it pwns the lefties. I was equally annoyed in Kingsman, for example, when Obummer’s head a’sploded as I was when MODOK showed up with Donald Trump’s face.
I read comics and books and watch films to get away from this crap, not to be reminded of it. “The personal is political” is one of the most aggravating concepts I’ve ever come across.
@@Adorni - I agree. It’s a valid gripe. Entertainment is no longer interested in escapism. I was disgusted with at what Amazon did with Rings of Power. Luckily there were a bunch of RUclips channels that felt the same way. I was able to still enjoy LOTR while simultaneously laughing the trash fire that was ROP. Escapism achieved.
Regardless, fu€k Amazon for what they did.
Politics insofar as internet debate absolutely is cringe.
Exactly. The reason people consume media is to escape from reality. The idea that real world politics needs to be represented in media is so absolutely insane and egotistical and is done merely because people are insecure of themselves and who should never be writers, actors, etc. Like, yeah I know elections are coming, wars are happening, a bunch of ugly shit happening but I don't want to be reminded of it constantly. I just want to see Luke fight stormtroopers, Indy going into ruins for artifacts, people uniting to destroy an ancient evil by traveling to a volcano etc. But we can't have that, because a bunch of idiots who have no back one want to control narratives and shit and who can't write to save their life are the ones making critical decisions in our media. I hate this era we're in. Is it any wonder Razorfist calls it the Iron Age, an era where independent media can and will rise over the ashes of the golden and silver ages of corporate media.
I’m not sure I understand the comments on why Rings of Power wasn’t woke. Not only was the show taking major liberties with Tolkiens work, the marketing affirmed the creators didn’t care about upholding his vision. Have we already forgotten that absurd video of supposed fans of Tolkien reacting to the trailer? (Fans meaning obscure RUclipsrs whose channels focused on franchises other than Tolkien)
Cause woke is not defined correctly so by definition it is not woke.
They took our jerbs!
Yep definitely taken by woke ideology. Goddamn Hollywoke.
@@nqobilengema2165 But one can define it. If others have a weak definition, this doesn’t mean wokeism doesn’t exist.
@@callumager537 lol i never said woke doesnt exist, i am saying theyy misusing the word and incorrectly applying it
None of this makes it woke. It makes it shit
This is fantastic! Had no idea this happened. Thanks for sharing and glad i subbed! May i recommend bringing up this new awesome channel at the beginning of EFAP and not at the very end of a 7 hour stream :P
actually good advice lol
when did they mention this channel? it just pop up in my recommendations.
@@MrLeseras at the very end of am EFAP or two ago. Not the boogie one, the one or two before that.
Mauler, get your marketing together bruh!!!
I can never tell if Adam is just extremely sarcastic, or a midwit.
Both
I don't know why I thought an EFAP highlights channel would have short videos 😂 ❤
What you talking about this is a short..... to me -Bilsaw Sawington
I believe that if you put a drop of wine in shit, it's still shit, but if you drop a piece of shit in wine, I would absolutely refuse to drink it.
It feels like nowadays they're introducing small fragments of shit gradually and people consume it like it's pure wine, unknowingly or not.
Funny how this has aged.
Now the ugly characters in games are more blatant aren't they?
We all agree the de-beautification is a thing now.
I really enjoy watching everyone in this corner of the internet, but the fact that EFAP truly focuses on the writing compared to politics is why this is my favorite podcast.
Every time Adam and the EFAP crew are forced to interact it makes me so happy how much smarter my lovely EFAPers are. Sitch is alright, but Adam tries to cover up his lack of eloquence by being funny (and he’s not funny). I guess that’s why it’s called The Sitch and Adam Show.
Hello Mr. Wolf. Thank you for your work here. I specifically like these clips from outside of EFAP because I don't have time to follow much of anything beyond EFAP and occasional Open Bar and Real BBC.
I like these longer cuts, makes the workday go by faster
Efap crew completely reasonable as ever.
Sitch and Adam unfortunately are completely disingenuous hacks, I used to watch them very regularly.
Look at their interactions with Dave the Distributist and Academic Agents re-upload of his demolition of their response to his video.
Dave would actually be a brilliant person to get on to Efap if he would come on.
That's the problem with these political types, alwas wanna make their opposing side bad andd their side good
Well they're treating national policy as a sport, so you'd expect that kind of thing.@@nqobilengema2165
'Politics' have tainted everything at this point. I hope Mauler keeps staying as far away from that shit as possible. I just wanna hear about movies
Great video Wolf and this channel was a great idea. I dont know if this is something you'd have planned but a batwoman highlight supercut would be goated!
birdselope has a couple already
Woah! A non-EFAP clip! Expanding the official channel lore. Nice.
I'm sure it's more work, but I'd like to see more EFAP crew on other channels highlights. As time permits. When there's nothing else going on.
Based and Jeb pilled
I love how "EFAP highlights" is an hour long
Mind if I suggest add a blurb at the end promoting the podcast like S&A does with their own clips
I wish Fringy would answer questions that he’s asked instead of trying to redirect questions to make a point he wants to make just to “not be polítical” which is why it seems political
weird they don't mention the poster changes and bathroom woke stuff in dead space remake and focused on the hot lady. or the sweet baby stuff on ragnarok
Because if they did anything other than strawman the criticism they'd have to realize they're wrong.
Good stuff, brothers. We don't need specific biases affecting your critiques. You always stay objective, politics would only muddy that.
41:11 to touch on the Mario movie I thought it was incredibly blatant when the toads asked peach who Mario was and she replies “he’s… not important!” He literally is the reason this movie was able to be made and a gaming icon that defined platformers as we know them. Just something that really rubbed me the wrong way
Their lack of willingness to express outright politics and judge something based solely off of its artistic and compositional merit is why I respect MauLer, Fringy, and Rags so much. Seriously, it's such a breath of fresh air, even in the spheres they're a part of, for them to take a step back and analyze something purely off of how good a thing is or not. Media can adhere to my own worldview or criticize it all it wants, but if it's bland, boring, or completely disorganized and poorly executed then I could not care less about it. MauLer and EFAP are the best discoveries I've made on this site and I hope they continue like they have been for a long time to come. God knows the world needs it.
Did Dead Space need a remake when the original still plays perfectly fine?
I can be more forgiving with re4 remake because that was on previous generation and changed the gameplay more.
I guess there was money to be made with brand recognition, i just wish the game companies remade games that haven't aged gracefully.
Like Resident Evil Code veronica: The good edition.
The original plays fine on everything but PC. The port on Steam is a mess.
I will say the remake is on another level of beautiful. Music, audio, etc.
I am not sure if its needed but with the way Dead Space 3 was received I see why EA didn't want a sequel.
I am excited to see if they remake 2 and then have a completely different take on a third.
Edit: I agree that I wish Code Veronica was remade. It is a critical piece of the main storyline imo. Much better than remaking 5.
@@Jman92854I don't get why they needed to strawman the criticism of the remake when there could be other examples to use.
Hey Wolf! Great work on these. If it hasn't been suggested, would love to see the convo between the hosts and Tonald from EFAP 100(Part 2 I think). Really wholesome memory from the show. Thanks, you massive.
When you talk about strong women written as characters, literally every woman we see in Atlantis can hold her own and has a full personality each in their own
This "dead space remake isn't woke" argument never really sat right with me.
The original had male and female bathrooms, them being made shared sex was not done because of 'efficiency on a spaceship', it was done because of trans nonsense.
That's the problem with 'woke' it's subversive crap that gets snuck in.
Now we can say it's not hyperwoke and complaining and muh hetronormative cis white men constantly, but denying the stuff that is there at all is ....icky.
to play devils advocate it could just be an oversight they altered to suit the 'futuristic' space-age' setting. To be honest though I have incredible mountains of doubt there wasn't a discussion/meeting about the bathrooms.
@@wwyd4akb If its something they altered to fit the setting then its by definition, not an oversight, its intentional.
@@Wolf-zp5iw , I didn't mean to imply they accidentallied the bathroom...
I mean they may genuinely and without ideological consideration, thought it was more likely the world of deadspace would have unisex washrooms.
I disbelieve that being the case but it is a possibility.
@@wwyd4akb Winning the lottery and getting struck by lightning 51 times on the same day is also a possibility, that's coincidentally about the same level of chance I would put on 'modern gaming company' not being complete ideologues.
You believe it's possible but not likely, I agree, the only part we disagree on is how unlikely it actually is.
The change that stuck out the most to me was reading a text log and one of the characters using they/them pronouns.
Speaking of Dead Space, why was so much of the in-game art changed to swap white dudes to black or Asian men and women? If it's such an inconsequential change, why did the devs bother to change it?
Or change the story. Or add trans crap. Make Hammond a baby faced moron. There's plenty of examples but the gotta have their strawman.
I would recommend clarifying terms, because a lot of people would easily define “Woke” as being a set of ideology, usually pro-social by intention, that directly results in a worse work.
However, I don’t think that’s fair. That may be how it’s more frequently used, but you could absolutely have creative decisions influenced by “woke” ideology, and the creative work is still great.
I think it was Drinker or Mauler who said, someone in the writing room for Arcane, for example, could have wanted a gay couple as a part of the leads simply because they wanted representation. If the idea stopped there, then you’d be left with nothing but a pro-social intention and no characters, but they didn’t. They wrote characters, and really good ones at that.
I’d admit that so much of the recent media we’ve been looking at has been terrible, and has also had so called “woke” ideology. But these two are separate elements to writing that I feel have been conflated, in no small part to pretty obnoxious statements from the creatives involved.
As well as that, you have examples where this kind of approach absolutely ruins the story. The example that is so stark is Dr Strange and Wandavision. That decision to have Steven not appear just because he was a guy is very cut and dry.
There’s an entirely different discussion about what ideology is being implemented and whether or not you have a problem with that, irrespective of the quality of the work. If you are against a certain perspective being pushed, I don’t think you’re going to appreciate the quality of the work in spite of that.
Given how annoying this conversation can get, EFAP is the best for just calling a spade a spade. If a director says something broadly prejudice in relation to their film like the Dr Strange quote, EFAP will cringe at it, because they have the pretty agreeable perspective that prejudice comments in general are cringe especially if it hurts the story. However, EFAP ain’t gonna see a gay character and say something is woke, or jump to conclusions about an actress being used to reprise a role while being a bit older.
The Spider-man 2 topic was fun and I would like to hear more from Fringy on that because I don’t think the story is good, and some of the quotes regarding the direction of the game seem a little suspicious. However, there are reasonable explanations for the creative decisions that don’t involve “wokeness”. Whether that’s the case or not, some of the gameplay in that game is horrendously underdeveloped and it seems to be the result of a director just ignoring pretty good faith criticism of the first game and misplacing dev time.
EFAP is always as best faith as they can be looking at this stuff, and that’s why I hold their criticism in high regard.
I said it once and I will say it as many imes as needed to get a point across, Nicole age is CRUCIAL in Aizek's motivation and guilt trip. Hm being older guy that advised his girlfirend to take a position on Ishimura that led to her endangerement - is heavy weight that constantly pushes him down into depression and feeling of guilt throughout the game. Her suddenly becoming twice his age totally obiterates that psychological dynamic. Now Nicole is a strong independant woman that influence others to do as she says, which, unfortinatly, detracts from tragedy of her death. Also, there's a bit about her medical position - once again, her being young medic that gets overwhelmed by the horrors that surround her is leagues better motivation for her eventual suicide than an older eperienced medic going through the same journey. All in all, they wrecked Nicole and fans are justified in being outraged.
As someone who hasn't played either Dead Space and is just an onlooker, I would say this seems like a sound argument. For the sake of this discussion, I'll take it as true. However, I don't think that's what the EFAP crew are saying the argument was. Your argument seems to be "she is too old," while the one EFAP is pushing against is "she's too ugly." I'd say your comment is the best version of the argument. In which case, I can agree with both sides here, because they aren't advocating for the same thing. At least, that's my takeaway from this without knowing anything other than what is presented here
@@raze2798The game is such a good remake that my beef is why change anything? I'd rather see characters upscaled but with the same features.
I personally find both Nicole's attractive but its jarring to a fan of the old game when every character looks recast. Nicole is still white and blonde but beyond that she does look significantly older.
This post pointed out something I didn't realize. I wasn't as sad about her ending herself. It seemed logical, cold and a choice she made so she wouldn't have to die horribly.
In the first game Nicole comes across as an overwhelmed young adult. She's far more vulnerable. When other characters threaten her I felt she was in danger.
Her ending was tragic. She was a cornered girl, not a woman without any other options.
Again though, I like faithful adaptations like the Halo 2 or Fable anniversary editions.
I even dislike when they do stuff like make changing how Dante looked in the DMC remake.
@@AzayBae That's completely fair and I agree 100% about remakes. I've added the Dead Space remake to my list because it seems like a lot of fun, but I'm also considering playing the original as well. Like I said, I can see why her age is a crucial part of the character, but that doesn't sound like what most people are complaining about. But tbf, I'm not familiar with the discourse, so I can't say for certain
@@raze2798 If you haven't bought one yet I'd recommend getting the remake then watching a video on the differences. If I am not misremembering there are new side missions in the remake that show more of the lore introduced in the sequels/books.
I think the sound design for the game is next level. The ambience of the ship is haunting but also addictive.
@@AzayBae I've got one more question: is it scarier than Soma? I got stuck at the Curie because I legit couldn't pass the monster there. I'm a bit of a baby when it comes to horror lol
The thing I appreciate most about EFAP, and MauLer especially, is that I can always count on a fresh perspective with insight behind it instead of the everyday typical political talking points, which gets old really fast.
Same when Falcon and the winter soldier had a major part of the show be about how Sam is a black man who can't get a loan even tho he was a major hero after endgame I started to realize "ok these writers only care about political commentary then making good story telling" I was done with alot of youtubers praising that show
Poor Fringo, can't get a thought out without being interrupted.
this increased my respect for mauler even more
Unfortunately the pro Dead Space argument just lapses into the, "This stuff doesn't matter. You're basically an incel for pointing this out." type of argument. No one who defends these games can make a case other than to ignore it. "You're stupid for pointing that out, it doesn't matter just ignore it." The fact is cultural shifts have pushed developers to uglify their characters over the last 10+ years. Now you might think this is a good thing, a bad thing, or have no opinion, but when people point out that this is happening, a deluge of, "Well it doesn't matter, what about the graphics." isn't really interesting or helpful for a public discussion. The people who complain about this trend have even more of a point when it's a remake that had a previously attractive character made less attractive in the remake version. If Dead Space (2023) was released in a vacuum evaluating the hotness of the main characters would be different than what actually happened; the fact that it's a remake that had the character likenesses changed to appeal to cultural norms that are held by an incredibly small minority of the population. I think it's more than fair to point this out what is being done in a lot of these modern titles and in the case of a remake, it's conceivable that someone could ding some fraction of the points off the final score for something like this, as it isn't faithful to the original and isn't a change that meaningfully improves the game in any way. I really anticipated the EFAP guys would have a more mature and nuanced point about a subject like this other than "Lol incel."
When did they say “lol incel”? seems like you didn’t listen to anything that they said.
@@The90sDoggo Throughout the clip they mocked people for criticizing her appearance. Dumb ass. Did you really think this comment was an own? Like you can prove your lying just by jumping to almost any random point lmao.
@@The90sDoggo Multiple times in the video.
@@DukeBluedevil70 Show me the exact timestamp were they said that, because i watched the video too and i dont recall anything like that.
@@The90sDoggo You weren’t paying attention cause they do it like 5 times. I’m not holding your hand though.
Need to a clip from EFAP 17 with when wolf says he firmly believes Ackbar is still alive and Rags starts to sing Ocean man its at 2.17.45
I'd love to see the EFAP reaction to the Star Wars Adventures episode of Leia. It's a deep cut, but it was one of my favorite reactions.
Their criticism of the backlash is extremely disingenuous. They're doing exactly what they laugh at when people strawman them. It's plain hypocricy.
The fact that Rags mentioned Akeema from Titan A.E. really brought me back, that movie was one of my favorites from childhood!
"What's the point of women in fiction otherwise?"
What's even the point of modern women in real life?
EFAP is very political and religious, just not in the traditional sense.
Thank you to Longman, Rags and Fringy for not talking politics. Politics Ruins Everything! Keep it long
I applaud the EFAP guys for trying to just talk about movies. There are a small number of books/movies which exist to explore a "what if" political scenario, but they are rare. In most works you don't notice the politics unless its very heavy handed, and if you do you either agree or disagree, but that's it.
32:34 - _TITAN: A.E. MENTIONED_
They touch upon politics.
They hold political opinions & beliefs.
However, They do not cover politics.
I do find that Rags is a bit too lax with the intrusion of politics and what would be considered wokeness in video games, so long as it doesn't affect him too much. A great example is BG3 and Starfield's pronouns system, which is objectively something that spawned because of wokeness. Yet, any time it was criticized, Rags would always shut people down and tell them it doesn't matter. These conversations happened regularly in his Discord server, which I was a part of for some time. For an issue that doesn't matter all that much, he sure does seem to care a lot that people don't like the pronouns being intruded into the game.
Probably because it comes up all the time and he's tired of hearing about something he doesn't otherwise care about.
being progressive isn't "woke" it's when it's being overly preachy that it turns into woke. pronouns aren't woke, which is why he doesn't care.
Because Rags is a libshit just like Mauler. Just like Fringy.
EFAP are libcucks who are just smart enough to know when to shut the fuck up about their politics most of the time, which makes them by far the best of their tribe and the only reason I even watched them for as long as I have.
Every Frame A Politics
38:00 Archane is not woke at all, because the female characters aren't flawless overpowered girl bosses, that do not grow and have not arc.
On the contrary, I would say, that Archane is a good example, that you can write a story with a female lead without being Woke at all.
I'd still say it pushes the idea that the characters (specifically the female ones) are not responsible for the terrible actions they take, but are rather the product of the society they're in. Also, Piltover giving Vaun its independence because they recognize they've been terrible is silly. Like, they can't make a genuine, honest effort to make things better? Or they're afraid they'll screw up again, so they just give up and say, "Fine, you're on your own as you wanted." That's not gonna fix anything.
@@Traven158 Pretty much every character is considered a product of their environment in Arcane, not just the women. Also Piltover did that with Zaun because Zaun didn't want help from Piltover, they wanted their independence and were powerful enough to fight for it
I love Efap, but I have a seething hatred for their dismissal of players actual concerns about Dead Space.
If the remake wants to make these changes from an already established game, it is the players right to notice and form opinions on them. I don't care if they are small changes, they are clearly noticeable, and people noticed them. Plus the change to "Fuck this Ship" is a more clear example of "Woke" infiltration. It made the game worse, because it immediately ruins the immersion, even for a brief moment. A cardinal sin for a horror game, especially as good as the remake is.
I agree. Even if the guys don't want to comment on these matters, I think it's more productive to alleviate fears and dissuade people from those positions, rather than just be combatitive about it.
With DSR, they should've brought up how Nicole's model is much more in line with how she's depicted in DS2. As for something that's not as eggregious, the infamous 'graffiti' is, just like your example, taking away from the experience. Nobody in that position would waste time scribbling "capitalism" instead of "greed", unless it was done by a politico/ideologue (and if there was elements within the story, even in the form of tapelogs, that would inform that, it would be much more acceptable).
I remember the main complaint about Dead Space was they changed the bathrooms
Adam is arrogant and snooty to the point its hard to listen to him love the sound of his own voice
Rags infinitely disappoints me with his taste in women.
Politics are for politicians, and I ain't one.
You might not be in to politics, but politics is sure in to you.
@@tzuyd Politics are also inside me, I can feel them.
And? It's not like you having political views is going to affect anything.@@tzuyd
@@lokenontherange *woosh*
You're going to get screwed regardless. The idea that having a more nuanced opinion on why you're being screwed is some kind of advantage is retarded.@@tzuyd
Hearing that Mauler's icon gives off Nazi vibes makes me want a Hellboy edit with Mauler as the weird gas mask assassin guy
39:45 I remember I accidentally went to a 3d showing of one of the movies I can't even remember which one maybe Civil War and one of the only things that was 3d consistently in every shot was Scar Jo's brapper.
I never understood the claims made by Organized Chaos, Pillar of Garbage, or the YMS/Sardonicast fanbase that EFAP is this crazy, ultra far-right, “reactionary” podcast. They have people on there from all different political perspectives, from Destiny, to the Critical Drinker, to Nerdrotic, to The Right Opinion, and to Jay Exci. Not to mention, while EFAP may criticize forced woke messaging in movies and make fun of left-wing people like Hasan Piker, Quinton Reviews, and Moviebob, they also criticize people on the right like No Bullshit, Synthetic Man, and sort of Ben Shapiro for his bad movie reviews.
Gotta love how Fringy dodged the question about diversity hiring, when it's so painfully obvious that it's ruined so many games/movies. His answer was "safe" and shows his lack of intellectual honesty.
This whole segment is just a bad take on the EFAP side.
@@franzosisch5965 unfortunately
The guys in the stream chat who's going nuts about bathrooms in the Dead Space Remake is the ultimate embodiment of why I'm glad EFAP doesn't cater to culture war bullshit. It's so much more meaningful and gratifying to actually analyze how media falters and falls apart rather than screeching about "woke" and dismissing it out of hand.
Rags: "We cover Madea"
Me: ... EFAP Movies of all Madea movies?
I mean I never thought nicole was uglier in remake. I always said the actress was too old to portray late 30's character. No matter how good she looks for her age she aint foolin anyone as 39 year old.
This is a really great video!
Woke is... when bad ... but woke and good.?. Good but not woke
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Adam is horrendously cringe
No offense to your long format but having the topics broken down into pieces like this makes it so much easier to consume. Keep up the great work.
Some actually well-written female characters are pretty much most female characters from A Song of Ice and Fire and most of Brandon Sanderson's books (Vin from Mistborn Era 1, Navani from Stormlight Archives, and Steris from Mistborn Era 2)
Ehhh. GRR Martin's characters are pretty shallow. He's good at drama but his character's are just a mix of pretty simple stereoptypes.
Thanks Wolf, appriciate the effort! 👍
Great discussion. Many good points were made and now I've got stuff to think about.
Honestly I can't blame people for having such a hair trigger when it comes to noticing "woke" stuff. 2015-2021 was a hefty period for shoehorning in heavy handed, mainly left wing politics into media. Even more of a reason to keep a level head when consuming media and think for yourself.
Great talk!
I love that there isnt politics on efap.
My biggest problem with someone like nerdrotic is his political commentary he sneaks in.
I care about their takes on media(including gary) not their political opinion on socialism or communism.
Wholeheartedly agree. I appreciate that any politics involved in EFAP are purely a byproduct of discussing something related to filmmaking.
I can’t watch channels like Nerdrotic or Shadiversity’s “Knights Watch” because they obsess over the politics to the point of being cringy and in many cases, preachy.
@@The-Yellow-Man Indeed. When folks get super preachy about the preachiness of a piece of media, I just want to yell at the screen "LOOK IN THE MIRROR!"
I don't understand this obsession with having to make EVERYTHING political. Why?? If you want a Big Mac, you don't go to a four star restaurant. You go to McDonald's. If you want politics, go to a political channel. There's probably thousands of them. Leave this one as is.
Rags is a shiba inu right?
He is a Shibe, no idea where he got the German shepard thing from, hell i don't even know what about Mauler avatar has "nazi vibes" either, it's just a guy in a suit wearing a gasmask.
I just wonder if people who talk about woke things think that something can be woke and good. Everyone points out wokeness when the social politics damage the writing, but isn’t wokeness about the presence of the ideology?
If it’s just the ideology, Arcane could definitely be considered woke and good. While it doesn’t tackle racism/sexism, it certainly has major themes about the harm of classism, which aligns with the same part of the political spectrum, if not directly a part of wokeness.
I just don’t like to talk about wokeness in stories, only the writing. If the wokeness caused the writing to be bad, I understand, but I don’t care to bring it up
Personally I'm very tired of the woke vs non woke debate. But like, I thought that the entire point of the term was to call out shit that had preachy progressive politics shoved in that only like, twitards and californian hollywood show-writers care about. We shouldn't need to debate whether something is 'woke' or not, it being preachy, on the nose, eye-rolling, jarring, badly written, and cringey is the entire meaning of the term. At least, that was the way that I always used it. It'd be like debating whether something is 'ostentatious' or not - if it's not immediately obvious that it's woke, then it's not woke.
Arcane isn't woke because there's gay women in it. Arcane would be woke if they stopped to make Vi say, 'opposing gay marriage is bad, guys'. Arcane wouldn't be woke if they, idk, added a subplot in season two about getting gay marriage legalized in their country, AS LONG AS the scenes make sense with the characters' stated motivations and all that. 'It's woke but it's good' is a nonsense statement to me, it's like saying 'it was preachy and badly written but it's good'.
@@lokiswager I thought the term woke originated as people who supported the progressive messages, and then was taken by people annoyed by it. Like the reverse of what happened with the n-word, where it used to be hatefully used by oppressors, and is now an endearing term used by the oppressed
Wokeness and good quality are on different sliders.... Spectrum? You can have a non woke show that is also bad. Many value wokeness over everything else, so will offer positive judgements for an otherwise low quality product. At the same time , arcane is both good and woke.
For me it kind of like religion in that when put into the media the more preachy and heavy handed it was the worst the media become I guess you can compare it to the spice when you put it in just right most peoples will like the foods but if you push too much in then it taste bad for the most peoples and only good for peoples who obsessed with eating spice .
Az and Nerdrotic said, as part of a Real BBC discussion recently, that they consider things "woke" when the agenda/politics/message takes precedence over the storytelling to the story's detriment.
That definition excludes media that simply has things like main female characters, ethnic diversity, or gay people in it as automatically "woke," because their claim is that those things already existed for decades without overshadowing or hindering storytelling, so that is the difference. Under that definition, Arcane wouldn't be woke. It might be considered "liberal" or "progressive" by some, but that doesn't have to affect the quality of the story.
This reminds of Carl Marks..
to be fair, they (and especially Rag's) are extremely against communism and that is indeed a political stance. I disliked a few EFAPs that I watched, due to that, despite them being otherwise good.
@@dimas3829 what do you like about communism?
@@martoncsepregi7099 it's uplifting nature, free medicare and education, good treatment of workers (Workers Unions are the first step for the communism) and peasants, focus on socials well-being of majority of population instead of exploiting it and others, decolonisation that it started worldwide, etc.
@@dimas3829 Where has that been achieved in practice? Can you name examples?
@@dimas3829Are you sure it's communism you like and not the concept of a mixed economy where there's still capitalism but also socialist aspects?
I have no care about where they individually sit on the political “scale”, their sexualities, personal biases, etc. I do find it funny though, just because of how critical they can be of other creators and artists personal choices and being self realized purveyors of common sense in a vast array of subjects, yet I can smell the fear when near of stepping foot on the cultural “battleground”, so to speak. This is neither good nor bad to me, to be clear. In fact I believe both choices are double edged swords. I don’t want them to discuss politics, but I don’t personally believe people should run from subjects either.
Is asking people a semi serious question and then constantly interrupting to tell unbearably unfunny sarcastic jokes just that guys thing or what? Like you don’t have to be completely serious but my god.
Funny how fans noticing they changed the model for Hammond doesn't get conflated for wanting to bang that character by Rags but Nicole does. Fence sitter alert.
What does Nicole being old and ugly ADD to Dead Space Remake that wasn't there in the original?
I agree that toning down the attractiveness of women or any character from previous iterations is woke. That is a conscious choice to bend to cancel pigs who want that to happen. If the sfory needs them to be a certain look, the story needs to justify that.
I can accept the idea that Dead Space has a few odd decisions but isn't necessarily "woke" but Spiderman 2 1000% is. That game in many ways is one giant Virtue Signal
Making Mary Jane playable again when people hated her missions, giving her a tazer, claiming that makes her stronger exponentially than both Spidermen without any actual explanation, and having her take out a criminal syndicate full of elite warriors because girl power even though she's supposed to be just a reporter (a writer that looks like the writer and nothing like the actress they supposedly based her on) . Having a section where you play as a deaf girl spraying trans graffiti just cause, random meaningless missions where you help a gay guy hook up and that's literally the whole mission. Random giant BLM and pride flags in the game (except i the middle eastern version obvs) Peter getting unceremoniously shoved out the door and retiring in his early 20s to fight climate change or some bs and saying that Miles is "the real spiderman" or whatever and constantly apologizing for atuff that literally isn't his fault. Randomly making Black cat a Lesbian and making that a big deal for like five seconds. Etc
There's definitely performative wokeness in movies, and I think we can thank asexual zoomers for attraction being removed from media. But when people claim it's woke that Peach can do the obstacle course and Mario can't, because she's a leader who's grown up in Mushroom Kingdom and Mario is just a plumber in Brooklyn, is just bs. You're just looking for wokeness now.
People saying mario was woke is were i drew the line with it, thats “a movie with just a woman in it so bad” it felt like
You guys are goofing on the uglification of female characters, but it is an annoying phenomenon. If it was just "this is just how this character looks" no one would care. That is not the case tho. It's agenda driven changes/decisions being made.
The complaint isn't "I want all women in games to be hot". The complaint is "I don't want weirdo activists making women in games uglier for their delusional mission of influencing beauty standards or for any other agenda (actively not appealing to the male gaze, etc)."