ILS to Minimums
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2024
- Coming back to Biggin Hill from Liverpool, in the aftermath of Storm Callum, was quite an experience.
This short video shows the landing, to minimums - cloudbase 300 ft, rain, mist and a tail wind - the worst weather I've flown in so far.
Minimums - my legal minimum is 200 ft but we all have personal minimums below which we don't like to go and this occasion (300 ft) pushed mine.
Turbulance - the prime navigation instrument is the HSI which shows the ILS needles - that stayed fairly constant in these gusty stormy conditions but the sensitive VSI went crazy (as it would).
If you like ILS videos, take a look at the last few minutes of this one:-
• Airways Flight to the ...
It's very rewarding to have the runway environment at minimums. I miss those times. Nice job sir. Thanks for the video.
Well done. Thanks too for sharing the close shots of your instrument panel.
Thank you David ~ a very encouraging video for me to get my IFR rating. I'm tired of saying "I wish I could go"
Thanks for the comment.
The full IR (or even the restricted version) is a very reassuring thing to have.
You suddenly become confident that you can deal with most weather but, if wise, will still avoid the worst of it.
When you get to the stage where ‘going on instruments’ feels completely natural, you’ve won.
@@davidhorobin1060 +1, it's just another way of flying
Instrument is the most important rating to get. It’s the one that can get you out of trouble.
It's a damn good thing I wasn't piloting that plane, I would have tried to land it in the white box reflection in the window.
You too, huh? 😂👌
Me too...lol
Great job, you were thought the three rules. 1) fly the airplane 2) fly the airplane 3) fly the airplane.
Bravo sir.
Very cool, calm and collected, impressive! Thx for sharing!! 🤙 🙏
and for the heart Sir i have subscribed to your channel! and If i may point out, that was an extremely cloudy day there! wow, but you were as calm an collected as ive ever seen! my instructor drilled it into my head “trust uour instruments!” for a reason! good day sir!
I was keeping a close eye on the horizon level indicator, maintaining spacial awareness must be a b*tch in those conditions, kudos to the pilot 👌
(I'm no pilot, just a big aviation fan with a whole hour under my belt, lol)
Nothing looks so good as approach lightings at minimums
Lovely smooth landing. A perfect example of ILS in action.
I remember returning to my home airport after an extensive IFR training flight that IFR all the way. Fcst WX back home was 5000 and 5. It was 400 and a half. Shot the ILS for an extra credit apch. Interesting day.
Pilot flying airplane as cool as a cucumber as I'm sitting here at home holding my breath.
One of the worst non accident approaches i have ever seen shared to the public, please learn from these mistakes as an lesson. To the pilot i would beg to go get some IFR instruction, this was a dangerous approach, please take this an opportunity to learn. At the very least have an IFR instructor go over this with you.
Show! Commandant, congratulations.
It’s a perfect autopilot ILS. JUST HOPE ITS NEVER MEL’d
@@FlatOutMatt I just saw Matt flying by me at a high of speed out of control everybody.
I thought you were going to hit that big white shed way too many times! Excellent flying, I'd not like to have been out in that weather.
If I`m 1/2 the pilot you are sir i would be a Happy Man !
Great Vid
Robert
Nowra NSW Australia
VFR PPL
Many thanks
That is some nice flying!!
Thank you.
Cool, calm, collected. ILS landings are an act of faith.
The hell they are, it's mathematically proven. If you're flying the approach on faith you need to go around and ideally go to another airfield 😂
@@ThePlayerOfGames or church, if that's your bag.🙄
Very cool video. Thanks!
Wow, there were some serious downdrafts there. Good piloting!
Yes, he flew the throttle nicely. The rest was done by the autopilot until the runway was in sight. Don't take me wrong, he still seemed to be in the game closely monitoring everything and ready to take over and go around if needed. Just that the "good piloting" comment sounded a bit off. Although in all fairness, good use of your tools (including autopilot) is good piloting.
Well done! Done that approach a few times in my falcon from the USA, plus learnt to fly there year ago with the Met Police flying club! Great airport!!
Very calm and collected.
Very impressive calm and collected landing in awful conditions. I’ve flown in some marginal VFR with but I remain firmly staying away from that kind of cloud - want to see where I’m flying
IFR is better than marginal VFR.
synthetic vision !
Wow, that was some minimum minimums. I've only piloted VFR, but would love to have the comfort that training would afford, in case of inadvertent VFR into IMC. Thanks for posting this. Hello from North Carolina
Thanks for the kind comment.
An IFR rating is worth nothing without frequent recurrent training or flying in actual conditions.
@@heybooitsme6016 or a lot of time spent on the simulator.
Nicely done.
Wonderful Weather for flying!!! 😅 Flown confidently!!! 😎👍
Autopilot is a pilot's best friend. Did most of the work for this guy.
Very true!
Good flying.
You Sir are a very fine IFR pilot! very nicely done Sir!
Thank you.
Well done!
Respect...!
It looked like he blew through the DH without runway contact. Like that never happens. Lol. Nice facial expression though. A cool and steady hand. Not even a hint of sweat.
Looks like he sees the lights at 1:27. Can legally continue descend down to 100 ft above TDZE until runway or red lights are visible.
Cool face helps a lot though, that's for sure.
Couldn't find that exact chart, but another lists minimum as 209 AGL and he put on screen 300 on the screen when the lights appeared. Chart says 726(206) and just before he switches it to outside view you can see the altimeter showing 800 feet and see the approach lights!
He had the PAPIs at 300 feet so it was comfortably legal because that means he had at least 1800m vis.
Butter.
Very cool landing good job 👍👍👍👍
Thanks for the video, glad to see some good hand flying and not an AP slaved to the GPS! Well below my personal minimums, nice flying.
Impeccable. ❤️
I hate it when you are flying through thick clouds and you see a few mountain goats zip by.
I can’t claim to have experienced this too often.
What a clash between the panel equipment.
Great windows. Has to be a Robin.
Yes, the VSI goes crazy in the stormy conditions but the crucial one to watch is the HSI which stays steady on the ILS.
@@davidhorobin1060 No, what I meant is that you have the basic mechanical six-pack and then an MFD.
@@shreddder999 Ah yes, a contrast of ancient and modern.
Wow, good one David! Well flown and nicely edited. Was that a trip back from somewhere or circuits for IFR practice?
I was on my way back from Liverpool, where I'd been for three days for a conference.
It was solid IFR all the way at FL90 - never saw a thing from climb out to the runway lights at Biggin.
(I might do a video of that but, sadly, the audio didn't record properly)
Damn good piloting
Nicely done. Definitely at minimums. ILS to minimums is more difficult in my opinion in smaller planes without an HSI and coupled approach. Especially single pilot. I miss the challenge though.
Awesome job! Almost have my instrument rating.
Well done and best of luck
Beautifully done - and with a bit of crosswind too? I remember a few "flying in the eggshell" approaches. There's something about the Real Thing that no amount of hood training or sims can really copy.
В "автомате" до ВПР 👍😁
I would like to see this with the newest glass panel technology. Good job BTW
I would like to be able to afford the latest glass panel technology!
Autopilots sure take the stress out of single pilot IMC flying.
Yes they do - couldn’t manage without one.
@@davidhorobin1060 ... Yet, one can't relay in them, one need to prepare for the worse and always ready to take over should the AP fail or not do what you expected it to do, which is sometime fault of the pilot for misconfiguring it or not understanding fully how it works. But if the AP is not doing what you expected, it doesn't matter at that time who's fault it is, you kill it, take over, make the plane do what you want it to do. There is a semi-joke that says that the last words of an Airbus pilot before crashing are always "what is it doing now". And there was an American Airlines training called "children of the magenta line" where the instructor said "if you are in that situation, don't ask "what is it doing now", click click, clack clack (meaning autopilot and autothrottle off), take full manual control, enforce the flight path that you need, and then, when everything is back in control and safe and you have time for analysis, ask "why was it doing that".
Nicely done 😃
its so great my fellow....sorry mine english.....like me landing...
Impressed the guy is a magician.
Perfect weather for Sherlock Holmes to make an appearance. I'm sure he would turn to Watson and exclaim "That man is an excellent pilot!"
A little high on the glide path at 300ft, but nicely done. Better high than low.
This video proves one reason I'm not a pilot (even if I had instrument training, & training down pat) - no observation, until right on top of landing strip
Good work capn
All these people crashing while flying on instruments and there you go perfect landed.
At least you have had a visual contact at the end.....it is more complicated if there are trees in front of you and not runway.
That was great! I might have to get you to come up with me in those conditions :)
Fun fun fun
More like ‘stress, stress, stress!’
Shot 6 the other day never saw the lights at 200 feet.
Sorry mate, but, why did you land without landing lights????
Gosh - you're right - must have slipped my mind in the stress of the situation.
Not a pilot, but nice landing. Seems the exit off the runway was harder to find than the runway itself. Ha!
IFR flying is staying way ahead of your aircraft and brief your approach to landing and you did a great professional flight and that’s what It takes
Did you use to fly helicopters offshore. There's a few of someone maybe you who flew for chc back in around 2014
I wish!
I’d love to fly helicopters anywhere!
(See my heli video)
Nice!
You are God
Errr, actually no but thank you anyway (!)
Weird, sometimes the VSI and the Altimeter don't quite agree perfectly. I.e. the VSI will be pointing (moving) in the decent range but the Altimeter won't be moving at all. Then it will jump in chunks. Perhaps I'm just used to the perfectly digital world of Xplane?
Yes indeed.
The VSI was leaping about rather a lot when on autopilot (you can hear the beeps when I turn it off with the red button).
Not sure why this was but conditions were very stormy so that probably had something to do with it.
They do that. Both are static air pressure instruments and both tell history (what you were just doing a second ago) but the VSI is kind of sped up in a way in it’s design. Sudden air change in the static air can make the VSI move a lot but the plane hasn’t actually moved yet so the altimeter hasn’t reacted.
Very nice. What type of aircraft is that?
Robin DR500 (see my other videos)
@@davidhorobin1060 Thank you. Nice looking airplane. I'll have to look that one up.
Hey Dave Can you Fly Plane and land it Surely be serious ...... Nice landing how many hours of Flying time do you have??
I thought the title was ils to minmus
Are you trying to find the ones that haven't paid their "tele" licence?
I only have about 100 instrument, but I’m not as calm as you.
Why didn't you show us how nervous you were on short final?
Because I’m British!
😳
Yikes! ✈
Monomoteur full ifr en dr400. Chacun choisit son destin.
Nice video, nice conditions 🙂 was it 4 whites when it became visual? 😉
Yes, I think I was slightly high
Thinking about those ww2 pilots looking around.....
IIMA" What was your alternate? Best Regards
Southend where the cloud base is always about 200 ft higher.
@@davidhorobin1060 Ah ok, IANAP. Just curious. Best Wishes!
Ну и зачем тут нужна ILS?
Тут и глазами всё нормально видно.
Походу мужик всю жизнь отлетал. Для него такая посадка пустяк. А я бы в штаны наложил даже понимая что приборы показывают все.
That is frightening! I would need to change my pants if I was in that cockpit. To me, that's almost as frightening as the thought of being blind. Much respect to pilots.
Something is not right with your autopilot. How do you end up half a scale high and left of centre? You should have that checked.
Thanks for the comment but can’t see the problem you mention - bearing in mind the stormy conditions, the needles did quite well really.
You’re looking at his standby ( #2) VOR receiver head which probably wasn’t tuned to any frequency. He was using the HSI as his primary nav source.
Defeenatly not to ATP standards.
Ah well, ‘any landing you walk away from is a good one’
Minimums? I could see the Approach Lights at 300 ft.
Yes, there are legal minimums and personal minimums - 300 ft in poor vis is pushing mine!
I hope for your sake you can find a good field to land in after breaking throgh at 300 if the engine fails at any point.
Mmm If the (single) engine fails in these conditions, you're toast.
@@davidhorobin1060 My point exactly, CAA examiners recommendation is "no less than 1500' cloudbase" , most glide approaches start at 1000'.
@@turbov7611 Yes but that's for tests, which assumes that the candidate might not be competent.
If one were to restrict oneself to a 1,500 ft coudbase for approaches, what's the point of all that IFR training? Might as well go VFR everywhere.
@@davidhorobin1060 The recommendation is there for a potential engine failure, no matter how competent you are, unless you have a synthetic terrain display (,if even then) you will not be able to make a safe forced landing following an engine failure with a 300' cloud base. There is a reason why most commercial traffic is done on multi engined aircraft under IFR. What's the point of having a safety culture, might aswell let everyone learn from their own mistakes?
@@turbov7611 it's about getting something done at the same time mitigating risks. When was the last time you heard anything having an engine out on approach..imc or vmc.. Almost never. The more likely risks are fuel exhaustion, weather or pilot error. Regardless even if the weather was at minimums and had an engine out at 500agl.. It would be very survivable. At higher altitudes it would be based on the surrounding area topology.. But remember once on approach you're flying straight wings level and stable.. Just maintain best glide.. Tighten the seatbelts... Unless you're landing in lukla... You'll survive.
This is when pilots earn their money.
What money? (!)
Squeaky bum time 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12 o'clock high, medium, low
That did not look like a fun time.
Stressful - “Come on son, get this right or you’re dead”
1:20 Video says 400ft, altimeter says 850ft. ???
Yes, the altimeters are set to QNH (height above sea level) - Biggin Hill is 600 ft above sea level, so at 400 ft above the runway you are 1,000 ft on the QNH.
With the altimeter reading 850 you are 250 ft above the ground.
@@davidhorobin1060 Another 'odd' aviation idea. QFE would be much more useful - when approaching landing airfield AFTER a field local obstacle height (pressure)...
so, in UK over 4500ft, use 1013 - as a general flying activity - then when reducing altitude for airfield approach, use pressure at the top of the local peak and finally airfield pressure below 1,000 ft. Then the altimeter would show ground clearance and you'd actually have a real idea of how high above ground you are !
What cruise altitude were you at between Liv and Biggin ?
@@millomweb What a great idea - they need you on the international committees!
IFR approaches are always done on QNH.
@@millomweb research conducted by ICAO has shown CFIT accidents are more common when using QFE.
I could do that with my eyes closed. 😂
If your Min was 200, you were not close to min????? you must not of flown night cargo much! lol
Ha! Night Cargo - now there's an idea
but as a PPL I doub't they'd let me!
Ok, partial panel. You've lost your ASI and your horizon, now continue the approach.
No problem
You’ve got GPS ground speed and a turn coordinator.
Carry on.
No thanks; i'll stick to driving my car on my little Caribbean island.
Very wise!
Well done!
Well done!
Well done!
Well done!