Thanks for showing our "Cristiano Ronaldo" of sword montante. I'm student of longsword and rapier here in Lisboa, Portugal. Best regards to our collegues overseas.
It would be fantastic to see you practice spar with a partner in full practice armor while using and incorporating these stances and styles freely and spontaniously. To see you fluintly preform your skills with someone else doing the same, blade to blade. Not trying to fight, just clashing blades through these breath taking maneuvers. You are so very good and it is amazing to see. what a great gift.
I think Montante is the only Jedi-style that works ;) Looks very cool and effectiv. Did you ever try it with protection in a real sparring against multiple opponents?
Corellon666 Montante is against multiple opponents but needs a perfect feet position , that was the cause of montante´s disappearance at XVI. montante was late only use by MASTERS (TEACHERS)
@@bodyno3158 how bout the nylon versions? These tend to wobble at speed and bleed some energy. Agree that any feder type version, 51hrc is pretty nasty. Perhaps steel helmets with padding on the inside?
While they have their own system I cant help but think that one could effectively use a shorter quarterstaff (6' for instance) using these rules. Even though a staff doesn't have an edge the way that the system retains momentum makes it seem like it would still be devastating, your thoughts on the matter?
Jools Grommers That's honestly always been irritating. Since the body is said to be profiled, I tried doing it like a gathering step to one side or forwards, then a gathering step to the other foot for the next cut, before stepping normally. Didn't feel right. Since the body is profiled though, the stance is even, where either direction could be considered forward. Since he says the left foot is forward while profiled in the beginning, the opposite foot would be the right, so he may be wording it that way to confirm the direction you're facing and moving.
It's twice the weight of most normal longswords - my spadone is five pounds and most montante fit this bill too. You'll need the longsword basics to begin to understand how to use it, and it helps to diversify your repertoire so you can see analogous stances in other disciplines you can use as a sort of backboard to get yourself into spadone/montante. For example, you see a lot of these rules basically starting off with what's essentially an ochs. A lot who already know Bolognese will start off with guardia di croce. Both are similar enough to suit your purposes well for montante. Just be prepared to move a lot differently. A feder is easy to start and stop. With bigger, two-handed swords like the montante, you need momentum on your side. Notice how the sword never really stops moving - the continued momentum and weight of the weapon are the keys to utilizing it.
I hope I don't sound offensive, but how well do those rules fare when you hit a real Target? Can you just go on with it by letting the blade glance off, or do you have to change to another, better suitable Rule?
From the source: "And be warned, that no fencer should perform this or that rule, but instead take from each of them whatever they may find more useful to defeat their opponents, prudently chaining one after another rule, in such a way that neither should haste hamper the memory one should have [of the rules], nor should lassitude take from the energy with which they must be performed." Figueyredo. Memorial da prattica do montante
The rules are drills for training. In practice you'd use the movements as you saw fit. It was an incredibly demanding style for fighting multiple opponents. Just learning the rules wouldn't make you a master.
On rule 5, is it wrong to extend with your shoulders? It just looked like your arms went forward. Idk though. I'm looking into learning technique with the montante. Love the vids.
Is there any translated manual written by Carrancista(Jerónimo Sánchez de Carranza etc.)? I already have some books(Thibault etc.) about Destreza. I really want to know what and how Carransistas had taught their apprentices.
Hello! I apologize for not asking for your permission in advance to reference this video but a year ago I made a small animation based on your rule 3. I did give you credit for the reference and here's a link to the animation if you're interested: twitter.com/PurpleLumijee/status/1116559058998185987?s=20 If you would like me to take this post down, please let me know. Thanks for your video!
Not all two-handed swords has rings, but I would argue that most of them had. At that time it was pretty much customary to have some kind of complex hilt protecting the hands, if not rings then wires over the crossguard and such. There are exceptions of course.
Footwork and balance is key and this guy is really good at it.
I must say, the footwork and movement you demonstrated was absolutely beautiful.
You are an artist, sir.
The blade is your brush, war your canvas.
Paint the battlefield in streaks of crimson glory.
Well put
Thanks for showing our "Cristiano Ronaldo" of sword montante. I'm student of longsword and rapier here in Lisboa, Portugal. Best regards to our collegues overseas.
How are historical great sword techniques so much cooler than anything in fantasy?
Great Footwork, and a fluent presentation!! Thanks!
ive never seen someone so fast with a montante, im impressed. never though someone could get this fast with a greatsword
it looks more like light weight for that size, prob around 2.5kg
@@drios9000 Most montantes are quite "light" for their size. It's always deceptive how quick someone can get with them.
Great Swords.
Are so.
Freaking.
Cool.
You.
Are.
A.
Bad Ass.
They are pretty great, yes
It would be fantastic to see you practice spar with a partner in full practice armor while using and incorporating these stances and styles freely and spontaniously. To see you fluintly preform your skills with someone else doing the same, blade to blade. Not trying to fight, just clashing blades through these breath taking maneuvers. You are so very good and it is amazing to see. what a great gift.
Looked pretty damned impressive to me, I wouldn't get near you!!
Slick, snooth, and dangerous. 🙏🙏
Masterful skills man!
Very fluid and controled movements.
Awesome! first time i've seen them at full speed *o*
⚔️🗡🗝👍🏻
Bravo. Thank you
I think Montante is the only Jedi-style that works ;)
Looks very cool and effectiv. Did you ever try it with protection in a real sparring against multiple opponents?
Corellon666 Montante is against multiple opponents but needs a perfect feet position , that was the cause of montante´s disappearance at XVI. montante was late only use by MASTERS (TEACHERS)
No one wanna sparr against great sword, at full speed, no protection gear can take one hit from great sword safely.
@@bodyno3158 how bout the nylon versions? These tend to wobble at speed and bleed some energy. Agree that any feder type version, 51hrc is pretty nasty. Perhaps steel helmets with padding on the inside?
@@AC_Films its really about the kind of mass you are flinging nylon or otherwise, safest for training full speed would be some kind of light stick.
@@bodyno3158Jogo do Pau style Just aiming for blade contact sparring would be quite fun with the Montante.
While they have their own system I cant help but think that one could effectively use a shorter quarterstaff (6' for instance) using these rules. Even though a staff doesn't have an edge the way that the system retains momentum makes it seem like it would still be devastating, your thoughts on the matter?
+Jared Lambert Jogo do Pau and montante systems are very closely related.
+Ian Ho I just looked up some videos for it and it does look a lot like it, that's awesome thanks!
Glaives would be perfect for that. Makes me think of Oberyn Martell from Game Of Thrones haha
Any ideas why in 9C he talks about the "opposite foot" when he tells us to step with the right foot for a tahlo most of the time?
Jools Grommers That's honestly always been irritating. Since the body is said to be profiled, I tried doing it like a gathering step to one side or forwards, then a gathering step to the other foot for the next cut, before stepping normally. Didn't feel right. Since the body is profiled though, the stance is even, where either direction could be considered forward. Since he says the left foot is forward while profiled in the beginning, the opposite foot would be the right, so he may be wording it that way to confirm the direction you're facing and moving.
Guy is super coordinated with thst thing. How close is it to a longsword, fellas? All my experience is in sabre and rapier
It's twice the weight of most normal longswords - my spadone is five pounds and most montante fit this bill too. You'll need the longsword basics to begin to understand how to use it, and it helps to diversify your repertoire so you can see analogous stances in other disciplines you can use as a sort of backboard to get yourself into spadone/montante. For example, you see a lot of these rules basically starting off with what's essentially an ochs. A lot who already know Bolognese will start off with guardia di croce. Both are similar enough to suit your purposes well for montante.
Just be prepared to move a lot differently. A feder is easy to start and stop. With bigger, two-handed swords like the montante, you need momentum on your side. Notice how the sword never really stops moving - the continued momentum and weight of the weapon are the keys to utilizing it.
X2 plat back speed..
Your welcone.
Any info on your Montante of choice for these drills?
I hope I don't sound offensive, but how well do those rules fare when you hit a real Target? Can you just go on with it by letting the blade glance off, or do you have to change to another, better suitable Rule?
I just bought One myself, but seldomly see people actually sparr with there in the Net
From the source:
"And be warned, that no fencer
should perform this or that rule, but instead take from each of them
whatever they may find more useful to defeat their opponents, prudently
chaining one after another rule, in such a way that neither should haste
hamper the memory one should have [of the rules], nor should lassitude
take from the energy with which they must be performed."
Figueyredo. Memorial da prattica do montante
The rules are drills for training. In practice you'd use the movements as you saw fit. It was an incredibly demanding style for fighting multiple opponents. Just learning the rules wouldn't make you a master.
On rule 5, is it wrong to extend with your shoulders? It just looked like your arms went forward. Idk though. I'm looking into learning technique with the montante. Love the vids.
Wow
Is there any translated manual written by Carrancista(Jerónimo Sánchez de Carranza etc.)? I already have some books(Thibault etc.) about Destreza. I really want to know what and how Carransistas had taught their apprentices.
Rule 17: Composed
Become a Medieval blender.
COOL
Which Montante is that?
Arms & Armor custom made montante trainer.
Hello! I apologize for not asking for your permission in advance to reference this video but a year ago I made a small animation based on your rule 3. I did give you credit for the reference and here's a link to the animation if you're interested: twitter.com/PurpleLumijee/status/1116559058998185987?s=20
If you would like me to take this post down, please let me know. Thanks for your video!
I forgot I also posted it on reddit but I'd rather not link my account (can PM you that link if you want).
Did montantes traditionally have ringhilts? I bought a Blackfencer montante over a month ago and it has a ringhilt but your sword model doesn't.
Not all two-handed swords has rings, but I would argue that most of them had. At that time it was pretty much customary to have some kind of complex hilt protecting the hands, if not rings then wires over the crossguard and such. There are exceptions of course.
absolutely beautiful. would love to see - Skalla "spinning isn´t viable" Grim - getting completely destroyed with this technique. :)
Skalla is a joke. You'll be wiser not watching his videos.
Except Skallagrim himself used this video as an example of how to properly use a longsword. This isn't simply spinning.
Are you absolutely sure you've read the manuscript correctly? Because those do not completely match the descriptions of the rules I've read.
wow so specific much info