A brave and important video to put out Alister, not guaranteed to be popular but so true. People’s selfishness & entitlement are beyond belief sometimes and it’s vital to redress the balance & support a like-minded caring community. Thank you.
An excellent job in handling what is probably the most important aspect of nature photography, head and shoulders above composition, gear, lighting and post-processing! As nature photographers, our images can help protect sensitive areas and species. By showing high ethical standards in the field, we can add even more positive impact to our images. Conversely, bad, self-entitled behavior can greatly subtract from the good work our images can do by giving all photographers a bad reputation. Also, thanks so much for highlighting Nature First. Never had heard of them...now I'm joining!
Yes. I've started every talk to camera clubs with 10 minutes on this subject for years now and been a member of Nature First since day 1. We have to raise the profile still further as the message is not only failing to get through, things are getting worse.
How bizarre. I only signed up to Nature first earlier today and here you are promoting it 😊 It sounds like a fabulous organisation. I agree with and applaud everything you have said in this video. Too many shy away from the topic. I too challenged a professional photographer in a bluebell wood last year and was told where to go. They totally ignored the dozens of signs asking people to stick to the paths. I reported them to the National Trust ranger who dealt with the matter. It left a bad taste in the mouth but I like to think I did the right thing 🤔 Anyway, excellent video Alister 👍
Thank you for saying something to the offending person. I am a middle aged women and have, in the past, said something to offending persons but have been met with aggression and I felt physically threatened by these people and so I don't say anything any more. I just don't understand people who feel that rules are not meant for them; that they are an exception. Anyway, thanks for being brave to say something.
Thank you, Alister. We are a community of photographers and when one of us acts badly it reflects badly on all of us. Moreover, we must be careful not to destroy the beauty that we are trying to capture. So, this is an important discussion to have and an important aspect of photography to think about.
Alister, thank you so much. You express yourself very well and your voice is listened to by so many of us, as you are both thoughtful and humble in the way you communicate. This is a message that we all need to hear on a regular basis. We can easily forget that we are all ambassadors for our natural world, whether we want to be or not. Our actions influence others and can have a significant impact, even if we are not aware of it. Your comments help us all to be more aware. Thank you as well for mentioning Nature First. Our passion at NF is not to grow an organisation, but to see these types of values embedded in our nature photography community. You are a great spokesperson for this. Thank you! I hope one day we can meet in person.
Thanks Alister! You know, we've come to expect this kind of behavior from social media influencers, but when workshop leaders do it, well, it's like cutting off their nose to spite their face. I mean, in a purely selfish way, it makes no sense to risk future access by going against the rules. Not to mention all the damage it does to the environment, etc. And then to argue back to you after confronting him, that takes some nerve. Thanks for always advocating for the greater good, nature, the environment, and Nature First. 😊
Well said. Yes it is a balance... you want to go to special places, but that impacts them. Light feet and respect go a long way. Loving nature (Nature First) is a good guide to behaving in a way that ensures your grandkids can enjoy the same places
Well said Alister. I am mainly a wildlife photographer and it is just as bad if not worse and there is no end to the rudeness and disrespect towards the animals and fellow photographers.
Well said, Alister. Leave only your footprints behind and be mindful of what you tread upon. The number of people I see abusing nature is appalling! And they‘re probably the first to cry foul when climate change is called into question.
Very well said, Alister! I totally agree. Everyone needs to be as careful as possible out in the field. Otherwise there is nothing left to photograph in a few years.
Very important, we should not be destructive of what we see and find when photographing in the field. Trails, fences, etc. are there for a reason and we should respect their purpose.
Thank you Alister for making this video. The points you make are so important. The UK has a wealth of precious, fragile, and very accessible landscapes...many of which are the subject of intense photographic interest. Let's not love them all to death.
@@Alister_Benn Thanks, I found myself unable to forget that discussion last evening. Not good... I want photography to be a "flow activity" without a lot of deep thought that takes me into the weeds. Nevertheless, I really enjoy the forum especially the interaction with the members. I appreciate all that you do not only in the forum but your contributions to the medium.
@@esanford we all agree it’s about being happy and having a chilled time. Some members do like to go down rabbit holes, but mostly it’s all good natured.
@@Alister_Benn Yes, and it is good to be passionate about it. Passion is contagious. I shared it also with the NF ambassador group and they will share it too.
As others have said this can be a very delicate subject. I have had an unfortunate experience where pointing out an irresponsible act has had unexpected reactions. I was photographing a woodland SSSI where notices at the entrance asked people to keep to the footpaths. Prohibited conservation areas were clearly marked by log barriers placed along the sides of paths. I saw a person who must have stepped over the barriers wandering aimlessly. I shouted asking them not to trample on the plants and pointed out the logs. Their reaction was one of extreme anger. They had recently had a bereavement and were visiting for solace and contemplation. My feelings were not helped by the fact that the previous week I had seen a photographer complete with assistant, lights and models trampling the same area. I've often photographed there, researched the ecological history and know there is a bye-law prohibiting commercial photography.
Yeah, things like that are tough, and there will always be some circumstances that while they do not wholly defend the actions, but they at least go some way to explain it. I get that there is a very real risk of confronting people doing harm to the landscape, as some of them may well have no filter to cause physical harm. It's a tough one for sure.
If people only could stick to the golden rule “treat others as you would like to be treated” ! This rule includes nature and animals, and if we all thought like that the world would be a clean, not destroyed, beautiful place. Sometimes when I see someone throwing away something I pick it up and catch up to them with a big smile on my face and say: excuse me, you dropped this! Then I put the garbage in their hands. Only once have I experienced a person getting rude, the other ones are so “chocked” by my behaviour (I think they think that I’m crazy) that the only reaction they have is to take the garbage and walk away! 😅😂 Very good of you to make this video! Hopefully it will make people think twice, it is after all their earth too and if they want to have something to photograph in the future they need to start being more careful. 💚
Well said Alister. The barriers, pathways, ropes etc have been put in place for a reason and people need to respect that. I get so riled up when I see or hear about people who totally disregard the rules. They are the reason the barriers are in place. Thank you for making this video.
Thanks for the thoughtful commentary on our impact on the environment when out and about committing landscape photography. Iceland is suffering from the same effects that other iconic locations have suffered and quite likely needs some time to recover. I hope to leave my environment footprint as softly as possible with the mantra of “do no harm” considering always, what might be left for my children and theirs. I sincerely hope that Iceland can survive the onslaught….
I think the Icelandic government would be the first to admit they made mistakes as the masses descended. There have been actions taken, but there are still great holes in their mass tourism planning. Scotland is no better, with place like the Isle of Skye just suffocating under the tsunami of visitors. It's hard to watch to be honest.
Always my thoughts about landscape work, especially in an area that’s not got a lot of previous coverage. It’s a precarious balance between capturing something special and being responsible for introducing that scene to the public
Excellent talk and one that I don't see often. Unfortunately, people who "don't care" about nature rarely watch this kind of video or read articles that are similar. That makes it up to "us" to teach others. To many of them it's get the shot first and who cares about other things. I've actually had to miss taking a few shots of Trillium flowers because I refused to step on any of the others. So I definitely know what you're talking about.
Thought provoking as always and a great reminder, thank you. To answer your question: yes, it may be seen as hypocritical - but with a conscience; you recognise the potential damage that can be caused by publishing your work and take steps to mitigate it through education. That’s a great compromise as it’s impossible to know where to stop and draw the line.
Thank you for that. I know I am not alone among my peers which is why so few of us now openly name locations we make images and videos in. A shame, but a necessary reality
Well said Alister, this is a delicate subject and you handled it so well, I have over the years seen a decline of respect for the natural world by people just wanting that selfie! and yes witnessed fellow photographers acting in a manner that raises the eyebrows to say the least, all we can do is try to educate and you have done a wonderful job in this weeks video, many thanks (:
We must all leave this planet in better shape than when we got here. It is free to be mindful of our impact with our feet, our voices and our opinions. Respect places, people and wildlife.
Well done for calling the other photographers out. Many wouldn't have done that. Sadly it's all to common these days. I live not too far from a nationally important site of native Bluebells. They are fenced off with signs everywhere telling people to stay to the clearly marked paths. I saw a wedding photographer there telling the bride and groom to sit amongst the flowers saying it wouldn't cause the bluebells any harm and they'd recover. It took a National Trust warden to throw him off the site before he got the message.
Thanks so much for your support. Some people are just completely clueless! So called professional lining their own pockets at the expense of the natural world 🙄
Such an important topic. This is one of the issues that puts me in two minds about sharing my work on social media. The only time I use specific location tags now is if it's a honeypot location that is already known.
Trolls lack respect for themselves, others and their surroundings so dont worry about them! What is important is attempting to leave it how it was or better before you entered the area. Sharing photos helps many of us appreciate what we still have left!
Great video and thoughts. Now that Iceland has been overrun with tourists and photographers , what are your feelings about some of the bigger YT photographers moving on from there and leading workshops in Greenland and Antarctica (two of the more pristine places left on Earth), now that those places are becoming more accessible?
Allister.. You are SPOT ON... I've been leading workshops not for about 30 years( yes before the internet and social media). You know as well as I that there were many (some well known names) other leaders that set a terrible example. It is just as important (as you state so succinctly) for us to teach responsibility as well as photography. Thank you for this video.... EVERYONE--TAKE NOTE---ALLISTER IS SO RIGHT!
Thanks buddy... Yeah, I know some very famous photographers who have dreadful attitudes and lead their participants into destructive and unethical scenarios.
Hello Alister. I agree with you on the point of having respect for our surroundings. We do indeed need to take care of these wonderful places if we want them to remain as they are. In recent times, there have been incredible growths in people wishing to be outdoors and that brings with it some negative aspects. Unfortunately, there will always be people with no respect for the land or others' enjoyment of it. Thank you for your attitude and for attempting to help others to see. In the end, I guess that's all we can do.......our best.
This is a really important topic and thanks for speaking up about it. Unfortunately, I've had similar reactions when I've asked hikers to not go traipsing through alpine flower meadows. Like Leave No Trace for hikers - which I think is gradually becoming more widely known - the Nature First principles are a great way to minimize the impact of visiting sensitive areas. I'm also keenly aware setting a good example for those who may not yet know these principles. I take a lot of alpine flower photos and I will stay on the trail to get them as much as I can, especially if there are other people around. I have a lot of experience of hiking in areas with no trails so I am probably much less likely to leave my mark than someone with less experience who sees me and thinks it's okay to follow. But I'd rather not give people that idea in the first place if I can help it!
Thank you Alister. I know you have spoken out on behalf of the vast majority of photographers. I often wonder in these circumstances whether it's about more education or more "policing". The actions of these people seems to me to be environmental DUI where you're likely to do major damage. Thank you again for voicing this very important issue.
Well-presented Alister, I have been practising this philosophy taught to me by my parents and grandfather since very early days of my childhood about 73 years ago.
Sir, could not agree with you more. As an amateur photographer I always try to keep to the designated paths and routes provided in areas that are sensitive. Of course there is also plenty of wilderness where we are free to roam at will, but we should always be asking ourselves if possibly we are doing any harm. The ethics of photography also applies to how we view and treat other people who happen to be in the same area and maybe wander into our shot. Some photographers become almost apoplectic if someone gets in the way of ‘their’ shot, as if they own the view and the landscape they are in. We should be patient till they move or relocate ourselves. We are only one person out of many who is appreciating a scene and because we have a camera with us it does not give us priority over others.
Maybe a video about how to take great landscape photos while respecting the fences and boardwalks etc. Perhaps strategies on how to best take a photo over a fence or through a fence or from a distance or when there are many, many other people around? I've never seen a RUclips video covering that topic.
I was watching your video and on the same day this photo showed up on IG where the Sycamore Gap tree had been felled by some idiot(s) and this makes your video even more important to hear and see. I just cannot understand why people do such a stupid and ludicrous thing. I live in Germany and I can very well relate to how arrogant those Germans were, when you explained to them that boundaries are there so that people like those Germans or others don't just ignore them. After all I'm sure they would not like you or anyone else walking through their own garden.
This has needed saying for so long well done Alistair. Sadly there will allways be a percentage of "entitled" arseholes who can give any activity a bad name. If I see any one trashing nature I will have a word whether its welcome or not. Personally I dont reveal my locations to anyone else and certainly not to the Industry magazines who have a lot to do with so called hotspots being trashed.
Alister, this is so bang on. Though I am not a convert of the CO2 Climate catastrophe fear (for many reasons), I have been blessed with living in the foothills of the Canadian Rockies since the very early 1970's and cherish it completely. I have been a very active participant in being able to hike, bike, climb and Nordic ski throughout this wonderful landscape since I was a teenager. As I have aged though I am less active but I do continue to enjoy many hikes throughout the year...some for photographic opportunities and many for mental health re-balancing. I must say that as our local areas here in the Western area of Alberta get far more active with tourists, the amount of garbage and off trail trampling has increased significantly. I was taught at an early age to 'take out more than you bring in'....picking up other less considerate/knowledgeable individuals' trash in addition to what we would bring in. This is a rule that I have lived by completely and everytime that I have the benefit to take in our glorious local environment. There unfortunately, has been a very very significant rise regarding the amount of trash left on my local hiking trails as of late such as take-out coffee cups, protein bar wrappers one use water bottles etc. The commonality of taking pets with you while hiking lately has also left me seeing numerous (dozens on some hikes) of excrement bags filled and tied to a bush on the side of the path. I take out what I can but am now finding that on some trails I am unable take out all that I come across. I feel that this issue is likely more of an educational one that could definitely be helped by better teaching of trail edicate, why you need to stay on the path (rather than short-cutting those switchbacks) etc. Your video today, it's message and your commentary are very relevant to protect the beauty that we can all enjoy. Thank you for this!
Wonderful words Alister. Over the years I have seen destruction of the area I live in & it is so sad that humans want to be in nature but can't handle nature & change it to suit them, no thought for the earth & it's plants, animals & insect that are way more important then any human. It is disgusting that a photographer can make $ at the same time as destroying the environment they are making money from. Greed will destroy our environments.
Alister, i agree that as landscape /nature photographers we need to set an example to preserve the places we photograph. It is sad to see so many tourists visiting a place and taking no care or keeping to the boundaries set by caretakers. For example, in New Zealand - South Island there is a beautiful place where the Scottish settlers built a Church on the banks of lake Tekapo. This location and view is spectacularly beautiful, unfortunately the local community have had to erect a fence around the Church. This as done because of the high volume of visitors from the Asian region were chipping pieces of stone from the beautifully built Church!! It saddens me that this had to be done due to the blatant lack of respect of this stunning place. I have been there 5 times and never tire of experiencing what is there. It is a shame that there is now a barrier to protect the Church. I’m Australian & similar actions have had to be taken to protect & preserve places that many want to visit. Thanks for starting this conversation. Cheers👍
As always, you hit it and hit it well. In the States, we use the word “steward.” (Although the word is used more often than the practice) We need to be stewards, not extractors. Bravo!!! Bill
Thanks so much for bringing more attention to this topic, Alistair! One more question everyone should ask themselves in my humble opinion: does it always have to be iceland, faroes etc? Maybe there is a bit of "paying for easy to take photos" involved? Hope this didnt sound too harsh :) Anyways, keep up the great work!
Thanks for that. Beautiful places are popular for a reason, and I have seen plenty of people make "bad" photos from Iceland! But, at the end of the day, when a fence is in place to limit where you stand, it should be respected, otherwise the fences just get bigger and any hope of photography will go. (as many places do now, just build a giant wall to block the view!)
I see this behaviour all the time : "this sign or fence is not for me - what damage could i possibly do" The utter stupidity! This video is absolutely true and necessary! And on the matter of flying - well, I do not like flying and I am quite hesitant to do so just for fun. You have to decide for yourself...
I hate seeing people damage the environment. The classic being the path of trampled bluebells to the single white bluebell, or to a log for a phone snapshot of the children amongst the flowers. Even dogs can damage them. The following year you can clearly see those paths in the stunted bluebells. I’m over 50 now and have never taken a holiday outside of England or Wales. It’s a challenge seeing all of those lovely places in RUclips videos, thinking they would be lovely to see in person, but each person that goes causes more damage through flying and impact on the environment. Maybe after 50 years I’m owed a few trips 🙂.
Thanks for that. Yes, it is a real problem (up here in Scotland too) - I never name locations and try to not even hint at them in order to stop that type of thing. Even on workshops I will say to people not to geotag, or name locations on social media. Some are not so thoughtful though and even may ebooks of locations with co-ordinates!
Well the 'laptop' section of my camera bag is primarily populated with trash bags and I did join the nature first alliance when it was first created (although I felt compelled to leave the FB group(s) for personal reasons) but I'm way to introverted and spectrum to ever confront someone directly.
Unfortunately what may be coming is the limitation on the number of tourists being allowed to visit certain areas and countries all together. We have just returned from Bali which is considering putting limits on their tourism. You can see the effects in all the popular tourist areas. Phi Phi Island in Thailand put a complete ban on tourists for two years to allow their bay to recover. Patagonia has severely limited photographers access in certain areas. I pray this never happens to Iceland or the Faroe Islands. Excellent job in covering this subject, thank you.
Well said, unfortunately now a days a lot of dont care if anything is on the way they want to photograph. The cut leaves so the pict is clean, etc....I have seen photographers on you tube that they cross the gate so the xan rake a better photograph like you say the world is changing.....
Thank you for bringing up this subject. Those of us who really enjoy all nature are naturally mindful. Unfortunately, too many others are not. I would be willing to bet, those who are careless or do not care, are the same people you would not find in the outdoors if they did not have their camera. I distance myself from other birdwatchers here in the U.S. because of their poor ethics. Whenever the subject is brought up, they are attacked by these disrespectful people. I too, am a serious birder, but do landscape photography; not bird photography. I wish not to impact or change the behavior just for photos. I don’t see this by landscape photographers so much because I don’t go to the iconic locations. Melissa Groo is a professional wildlife photographer, has excellent photos, but also a very good ambassador for ethics. I will check nature First organization which I have not heard of.
As a fellow mad birder I actually stopped photographing birds as well. Bird photographers and birders are not a great mix!! Thanks for your comment, I appreciate it.
It is not taught anymore, the common sense that is. When I and others had to climb a farmers gate to a field, we were taught to climb at the supported hinged end and not the opening end as that would only strain the gate lower into the mud. Yes the simple things are the most important Nice video, I hope it resonates
it's right to remember us about our responsibilities. Sometimes it's obvious but sometimes I don't know where are the limits. When I walk thru a forest I'm always aware about where I put my feet but is it right to be there? I don't know.
Our behaviours very much come down to our values, and in which order we prioritize those values. If two values we wish to maintain come into conflict, we have an ethical dilemma when we are forced to choose one value over another. If someone values making the photograph more that they value conservation, getting the photo becomes the most important thing to that individual. (You didn't mention those "naturalists" who hike out with less stuff than they hiked in with because they littered and left their garbage behind on the ground. That could be a whole other video....)
We are all hypocrites. We learn to lie before we can walk or talk. It's the only survival instinct we have, hypocrisy. Passing this non-issue, yes, we must draw attention, with education and civility, because deep down we all know that we have also made mistakes, we have also been dazzled, we have also distracted ourselves from the true reason that led us to nature, give and receive affection .
We must all follow the principles of nature first… no photography is worth compromising the landscape for… its not our right to do… i joined nature first and have made a page on my web site dedicated to the principles of it… its nothing new either… it’s essentially the countyside code i learned in Scouts 35 years ago… i have had a similar experience as you did with the germans in kinclaven woods with people letting their dogs run through the bluebells or people sitting in them and just got verbal abuse back telling me i was a tree hugging twat… I tend to find the photographers who do it are the trophy hunter types rather than those trying to create personal expressions.
I've given up trying to police the general public, they have no clue, but if you call yourself a nature photographer, or a landscape photographer I'll call anyone out. They should be named and shamed.
I think things have really went downhill in the last 5 years, especially over and since the lockdown, people just seem to be so selfish and nasty. The places I have been Photographing for decades have nearly become no go areas because of some peoples behaviour. I have had arguments with so called Photography workshop leaders where they have the paticipants in a line with their tripods all taking the same photo and not moving for ages.
Thanks for that and I agree. I like small groups in my workshops so we have minimal impact. We also never "line up to get THE shot." Such a weird mentality!
Yes you are a hypocrite but I think you know that? I am. At least you are thinking and trying. I travelled the world as a photographer and now feel shame for my actions. One of the great things about photography is that you can share your world so others can enjoy without travelling. If we all take care of our own back yard the world will be a lot more pleasant. Nice vid.
Down here on Dartmoor its not Photographers its people abusing the national park, there's 2 main types, The ones that genuinely thinks ok to destroy decades of growth by drawing patterns in the moss and trample right through areas such as Witmans wood to such a point The National Park are now talking about fencing it off. Then there's the Party animal, both families and groups that think it's ok to camp wherever and not follow the Wld camping rules, light fires, defacate and leave rubbish everywhere. This is why the landowners are trying to ban wid camping not because of the genuine hill walkers crossing the moor!! You are not allowed to fly a drone on Dartmoor anymore because of idiots chasing the livestock trying to get some good footage. Think its best I say rant over!!
Germans… they have destruction in their genes…😅 But seriously: you‘re absolutely right, Alister, with your plea to act like a role model when you‘re out in the landscape. B.t.w. have you heard of the possibility to support the Scottish tourist board by becoming a laird of Glencoe? What do you think of it? It is advertised here in Germany and I wonder if this is serious and helps to protect the Sottish environment. Kind regards, Martin
The essence of the video is very commendable. But the very mention of the location is damaging in its own right. I know this location intimately, have never disclosed the location of all that I have photographed and had published from it. It is not only locations, field craft is an unknown subject to most photographers. Photography has become about massive long telephoto lenses with converters, get the animal/bird portrait whatever the cost or impact to species, ground/landscape conditions, habitat and those species which are irrelevant to the intended subject.
Since you mention Iceland. Being careful about where you step and respectful of the importance of nature is always a good and important point to make. But truth be told, mass tourism has for quite some time been a problem here in Iceland. Especially along the south coast, which has now been more or less taken over by tourists. Being an amateur landscape photographer myself I have no interest in exploring the south coast since it is nothing but tourists and their cars. Imagine the pollution from all those tourist cars! It is not just the natural things themselves, like the moss, that are endangered in situations like in southern Iceland now (and Venice and Dubrovnic and what have you), it is also a cultural danger. Reykjavik is, according to recent statistcs, one of the most "over-touristed" cities in Europe. Ooof. And downtown Reykjavik is now more like a different speech-community where Icelandic has yielded almost completely to English. Sorry for the rant.
PS: thank you for telling the German group to stick to the same rules we ALL should follow for future visitors 👏
I cannot agree more nature is fragile and is impacted by humans all the time. And we must protect it.
Yes, tread lightly, with respect and gratitude for what you're experiencing. Thank you.
A brave and important video to put out Alister, not guaranteed to be popular but so true. People’s selfishness & entitlement are beyond belief sometimes and it’s vital to redress the balance & support a like-minded caring community. Thank you.
An excellent job in handling what is probably the most important aspect of nature photography, head and shoulders above composition, gear, lighting and post-processing! As nature photographers, our images can help protect sensitive areas and species. By showing high ethical standards in the field, we can add even more positive impact to our images. Conversely, bad, self-entitled behavior can greatly subtract from the good work our images can do by giving all photographers a bad reputation. Also, thanks so much for highlighting Nature First. Never had heard of them...now I'm joining!
Thanks so much for your support, I really appreciate it.
Yes. I've started every talk to camera clubs with 10 minutes on this subject for years now and been a member of Nature First since day 1. We have to raise the profile still further as the message is not only failing to get through, things are getting worse.
Thanks mate - that's a good idea.
How bizarre. I only signed up to Nature first earlier today and here you are promoting it 😊 It sounds like a fabulous organisation. I agree with and applaud everything you have said in this video. Too many shy away from the topic.
I too challenged a professional photographer in a bluebell wood last year and was told where to go. They totally ignored the dozens of signs asking people to stick to the paths. I reported them to the National Trust ranger who dealt with the matter. It left a bad taste in the mouth but I like to think I did the right thing 🤔
Anyway, excellent video Alister 👍
Nice, perfect timing.
Thank you for saying something to the offending person. I am a middle aged women and have, in the past, said something to offending persons but have been met with aggression and I felt physically threatened by these people and so I don't say anything any more. I just don't understand people who feel that rules are not meant for them; that they are an exception. Anyway, thanks for being brave to say something.
You are spot on with your comments Alister.
Yes! Totally agree. Well said.
We have one life on this one planet, let's look after it
Thank you, Alister. We are a community of photographers and when one of us acts badly it reflects badly on all of us. Moreover, we must be careful not to destroy the beauty that we are trying to capture. So, this is an important discussion to have and an important aspect of photography to think about.
Alister, thank you so much. You express yourself very well and your voice is listened to by so many of us, as you are both thoughtful and humble in the way you communicate. This is a message that we all need to hear on a regular basis. We can easily forget that we are all ambassadors for our natural world, whether we want to be or not. Our actions influence others and can have a significant impact, even if we are not aware of it. Your comments help us all to be more aware.
Thank you as well for mentioning Nature First. Our passion at NF is not to grow an organisation, but to see these types of values embedded in our nature photography community. You are a great spokesperson for this. Thank you! I hope one day we can meet in person.
Cheers man, You know I support your work 100%. Happy to add my voice to the education message.
Thanks Alister! You know, we've come to expect this kind of behavior from social media influencers, but when workshop leaders do it, well, it's like cutting off their nose to spite their face. I mean, in a purely selfish way, it makes no sense to risk future access by going against the rules. Not to mention all the damage it does to the environment, etc. And then to argue back to you after confronting him, that takes some nerve.
Thanks for always advocating for the greater good, nature, the environment, and Nature First. 😊
Cheers Barb, from what I have heard things are even worse in the iconic spots in the US.
@@Alister_Benn Some places, it sure is.
Well said. Yes it is a balance... you want to go to special places, but that impacts them. Light feet and respect go a long way. Loving nature (Nature First) is a good guide to behaving in a way that ensures your grandkids can enjoy the same places
Well said Alister. I am mainly a wildlife photographer and it is just as bad if not worse and there is no end to the rudeness and disrespect towards the animals and fellow photographers.
Well said, Alister. Leave only your footprints behind and be mindful of what you tread upon. The number of people I see abusing nature is appalling! And they‘re probably the first to cry foul when climate change is called into question.
Agreed, the loudest voice from people with the least to say., Thanks for your comment.
Very well said, Alister! I totally agree. Everyone needs to be as careful as possible out in the field. Otherwise there is nothing left to photograph in a few years.
Very important, we should not be destructive of what we see and find when photographing in the field. Trails, fences, etc. are there for a reason and we should respect their purpose.
100% and thanks for your comment.
Well said :)
The best way to do your photography is in a way that there are none or at least close to no traces that you have ever been there :)
Thank you Alister for making this video. The points you make are so important. The UK has a wealth of precious, fragile, and very accessible landscapes...many of which are the subject of intense photographic interest. Let's not love them all to death.
Well-stated.... An excellent reminder of our collective responsibilities.....
Thanks man, appreciate you. Great contribution last night ❤️
@@Alister_Benn Thanks, I found myself unable to forget that discussion last evening. Not good... I want photography to be a "flow activity" without a lot of deep thought that takes me into the weeds. Nevertheless, I really enjoy the forum especially the interaction with the members. I appreciate all that you do not only in the forum but your contributions to the medium.
@@esanford we all agree it’s about being happy and having a chilled time. Some members do like to go down rabbit holes, but mostly it’s all good natured.
Thanks for your passion, Alister! ❤ Having been there, I think this behaviour is disgusting. This needs to be shared everywhere.
You're welcome and I feel something is good is coming out from that morning when I was so wound up by such inconsiderate behaviour from that group.
@@Alister_Benn Yes, and it is good to be passionate about it. Passion is contagious. I shared it also with the NF ambassador group and they will share it too.
As others have said this can be a very delicate subject. I have had an unfortunate experience where pointing out an irresponsible act has had unexpected reactions. I was photographing a woodland SSSI where notices at the entrance asked people to keep to the footpaths. Prohibited conservation areas were clearly marked by log barriers placed along the sides of paths. I saw a person who must have stepped over the barriers wandering aimlessly. I shouted asking them not to trample on the plants and pointed out the logs. Their reaction was one of extreme anger. They had recently had a bereavement and were visiting for solace and contemplation. My feelings were not helped by the fact that the previous week I had seen a photographer complete with assistant, lights and models trampling the same area. I've often photographed there, researched the ecological history and know there is a bye-law prohibiting commercial photography.
Yeah, things like that are tough, and there will always be some circumstances that while they do not wholly defend the actions, but they at least go some way to explain it. I get that there is a very real risk of confronting people doing harm to the landscape, as some of them may well have no filter to cause physical harm. It's a tough one for sure.
If people only could stick to the golden rule “treat others as you would like to be treated” ! This rule includes nature and animals, and if we all thought like that the world would be a clean, not destroyed, beautiful place. Sometimes when I see someone throwing away something I pick it up and catch up to them with a big smile on my face and say: excuse me, you dropped this! Then I put the garbage in their hands. Only once have I experienced a person getting rude, the other ones are so “chocked” by my behaviour (I think they think that I’m crazy) that the only reaction they have is to take the garbage and walk away! 😅😂 Very good of you to make this video! Hopefully it will make people think twice, it is after all their earth too and if they want to have something to photograph in the future they need to start being more careful. 💚
Agree!!!
Leave only footprints (on the foot path), take only photographs!!!
Well said Alister. The barriers, pathways, ropes etc have been put in place for a reason and people need to respect that. I get so riled up when I see or hear about people who totally disregard the rules. They are the reason the barriers are in place. Thank you for making this video.
You're welcome. I will continue to call people out when necessary.
Thank you! Definitely a very important topic. Hoping eventually we get through to the masses who feel entitled.
wonderful thoughts about a wonderful, vulnerable nature
Thank you so much, appreciate that
So true, you spoke out ofmy heart!!! Thanks for reminding!
So glad!
Thanks for the thoughtful commentary on our impact on the environment when out and about committing landscape photography. Iceland is suffering from the same effects that other iconic locations have suffered and quite likely needs some time to recover. I hope to leave my environment footprint as softly as possible with the mantra of “do no harm” considering always, what might be left for my children and theirs. I sincerely hope that Iceland can survive the onslaught….
I think the Icelandic government would be the first to admit they made mistakes as the masses descended. There have been actions taken, but there are still great holes in their mass tourism planning. Scotland is no better, with place like the Isle of Skye just suffocating under the tsunami of visitors. It's hard to watch to be honest.
Always my thoughts about landscape work, especially in an area that’s not got a lot of previous coverage. It’s a precarious balance between capturing something special and being responsible for introducing that scene to the public
Great video with very important info that the public needs to be aware of. Thank you for making this video.
My pleasure!
Well said, Alister
Thanks, I appreciate that
Excellent talk and one that I don't see often. Unfortunately, people who "don't care" about nature rarely watch this kind of video or read articles that are similar. That makes it up to "us" to teach others.
To many of them it's get the shot first and who cares about other things. I've actually had to miss taking a few shots of Trillium flowers because I refused to step on any of the others. So I definitely know what you're talking about.
True, in many ways I will always be preaching to the converted.
Pretty much sums it up. In the U.S. we have a huge problem with photographers and others using and abusing the environment. Hopefully this will help.
Thought provoking as always and a great reminder, thank you.
To answer your question: yes, it may be seen as hypocritical - but with a conscience; you recognise the potential damage that can be caused by publishing your work and take steps to mitigate it through education. That’s a great compromise as it’s impossible to know where to stop and draw the line.
Thank you for that. I know I am not alone among my peers which is why so few of us now openly name locations we make images and videos in. A shame, but a necessary reality
What you are saying reminds me of „A church not made by hands“ by the Waterboys from the early 80s when they were still great.
I think they’re still great. Saw Mike Scott and the band a few years back now. Still sounding great.
Thanks Alister. Definitely struck a chord with me…..Hadn’t heard of Nature First before but have signed up now….
Wonderful!
Well said Alister, this is a delicate subject and you handled it so well, I have over the years seen a decline of respect for the natural world by people just wanting that selfie! and yes witnessed fellow photographers acting in a manner that raises the eyebrows to say the least, all we can do is try to educate and you have done a wonderful job in this weeks video, many thanks (:
Don't get me on the subject of selfies, I hate them
We must all leave this planet in better shape than when we got here. It is free to be mindful of our impact with our feet, our voices and our opinions. Respect places, people and wildlife.
Well done for calling the other photographers out. Many wouldn't have done that.
Sadly it's all to common these days. I live not too far from a nationally important site of native Bluebells. They are fenced off with signs everywhere telling people to stay to the clearly marked paths. I saw a wedding photographer there telling the bride and groom to sit amongst the flowers saying it wouldn't cause the bluebells any harm and they'd recover. It took a National Trust warden to throw him off the site before he got the message.
Thanks so much for your support. Some people are just completely clueless! So called professional lining their own pockets at the expense of the natural world 🙄
Such an important topic. This is one of the issues that puts me in two minds about sharing my work on social media. The only time I use specific location tags now is if it's a honeypot location that is already known.
Trolls lack respect for themselves, others and their surroundings so dont worry about them! What is important is attempting to leave it how it was or better before you entered the area. Sharing photos helps many of us appreciate what we still have left!
Great video and thoughts. Now that Iceland has been overrun with tourists and photographers , what are your feelings about some of the bigger YT photographers moving on from there and leading workshops in Greenland and Antarctica (two of the more pristine places left on Earth), now that those places are becoming more accessible?
Allister.. You are SPOT ON... I've been leading workshops not for about 30 years( yes before the internet and social media). You know as well as I that there were many (some well known names) other leaders that set a terrible example. It is just as important (as you state so succinctly) for us to teach responsibility as well as photography. Thank you for this video.... EVERYONE--TAKE NOTE---ALLISTER IS SO RIGHT!
Thanks buddy... Yeah, I know some very famous photographers who have dreadful attitudes and lead their participants into destructive and unethical scenarios.
Hello Alister. I agree with you on the point of having respect for our surroundings. We do indeed need to take care of these wonderful places if we want them to remain as they are. In recent times, there have been incredible growths in people wishing to be outdoors and that brings with it some negative aspects. Unfortunately, there will always be people with no respect for the land or others' enjoyment of it. Thank you for your attitude and for attempting to help others to see. In the end, I guess that's all we can do.......our best.
Yeah, it saddens me most when it is so-called professionals leading photography tours.
This is a really important topic and thanks for speaking up about it. Unfortunately, I've had similar reactions when I've asked hikers to not go traipsing through alpine flower meadows.
Like Leave No Trace for hikers - which I think is gradually becoming more widely known - the Nature First principles are a great way to minimize the impact of visiting sensitive areas. I'm also keenly aware setting a good example for those who may not yet know these principles. I take a lot of alpine flower photos and I will stay on the trail to get them as much as I can, especially if there are other people around. I have a lot of experience of hiking in areas with no trails so I am probably much less likely to leave my mark than someone with less experience who sees me and thinks it's okay to follow. But I'd rather not give people that idea in the first place if I can help it!
Thank you Alister. I know you have spoken out on behalf of the vast majority of photographers. I often wonder in these circumstances whether it's about more education or more "policing". The actions of these people seems to me to be environmental DUI where you're likely to do major damage. Thank you again for voicing this very important issue.
Thanks man, you're welcome. I do have some small degree of influence and I fully intend to use it. Thanks always for your support.
Well-presented Alister, I have been practising this philosophy taught to me by my parents and grandfather since very early days of my childhood about 73 years ago.
Exactly, I leaned this moral behaviour when I was a child from my parents! It's not rocket science, just basic respect.
Great topic. Photographing the landscape feels like paying tribute to it. Destroying something you want to celebrate is a bit contradictory.
Exactly! My thoughts exactly
Sir, could not agree with you more. As an amateur photographer I always try to keep to the designated paths and routes provided in areas that are sensitive. Of course there is also plenty of wilderness where we are free to roam at will, but we should always be asking ourselves if possibly we are doing any harm. The ethics of photography also applies to how we view and treat other people who happen to be in the same area and maybe wander into our shot. Some photographers become almost apoplectic if someone gets in the way of ‘their’ shot, as if they own the view and the landscape they are in. We should be patient till they move or relocate ourselves. We are only one person out of many who is appreciating a scene and because we have a camera with us it does not give us priority over others.
Couldn't agree more Alister!
A brave and rare message
In a world where you can be anything, be kind and respectful.
'Here, here' thanks for this...always a subject to my ❤ , a must watch video for everybody walking in nature 😊 Cheers x
Maybe a video about how to take great landscape photos while respecting the fences and boardwalks etc. Perhaps strategies on how to best take a photo over a fence or through a fence or from a distance or when there are many, many other people around? I've never seen a RUclips video covering that topic.
thank you for sharing this important message - hopefully a wake up call for a few out there!
I was watching your video and on the same day this photo showed up on IG where the Sycamore Gap tree had been felled by some idiot(s) and this makes your video even more important to hear and see. I just cannot understand why people do such a stupid and ludicrous thing. I live in Germany and I can very well relate to how arrogant those Germans were, when you explained to them that boundaries are there so that people like those Germans or others don't just ignore them. After all I'm sure they would not like you or anyone else walking through their own garden.
This has needed saying for so long well done Alistair. Sadly there will allways be a percentage of "entitled" arseholes who can give any activity a bad name. If I see any one trashing nature I will have a word whether its welcome or not. Personally I dont reveal my locations to anyone else and certainly not to the Industry magazines who have a lot to do with so called hotspots being trashed.
Alister, this is so bang on. Though I am not a convert of the CO2 Climate catastrophe fear (for many reasons), I have been blessed with living in the foothills of the Canadian Rockies since the very early 1970's and cherish it completely. I have been a very active participant in being able to hike, bike, climb and Nordic ski throughout this wonderful landscape since I was a teenager. As I have aged though I am less active but I do continue to enjoy many hikes throughout the year...some for photographic opportunities and many for mental health re-balancing. I must say that as our local areas here in the Western area of Alberta get far more active with tourists, the amount of garbage and off trail trampling has increased significantly. I was taught at an early age to 'take out more than you bring in'....picking up other less considerate/knowledgeable individuals' trash in addition to what we would bring in. This is a rule that I have lived by completely and everytime that I have the benefit to take in our glorious local environment. There unfortunately, has been a very very significant rise regarding the amount of trash left on my local hiking trails as of late such as take-out coffee cups, protein bar wrappers one use water bottles etc. The commonality of taking pets with you while hiking lately has also left me seeing numerous (dozens on some hikes) of excrement bags filled and tied to a bush on the side of the path. I take out what I can but am now finding that on some trails I am unable take out all that I come across. I feel that this issue is likely more of an educational one that could definitely be helped by better teaching of trail edicate, why you need to stay on the path (rather than short-cutting those switchbacks) etc. Your video today, it's message and your commentary are very relevant to protect the beauty that we can all enjoy. Thank you for this!
Climate Change is real.
Thanks for this. Very helpful food for thought.
Wonderful words Alister. Over the years I have seen destruction of the area I live in & it is so sad that humans want to be in nature but can't handle nature & change it to suit them, no thought for the earth & it's plants, animals & insect that are way more important then any human.
It is disgusting that a photographer can make $ at the same time as destroying the environment they are making money from. Greed will destroy our environments.
Any "pro" photographer seen doing harm to nature should be called out. PERIOD. Thanks so much for your comment.
@@Alister_Benn agree
Alister, i agree that as landscape /nature photographers we need to set an example to preserve the places we photograph. It is sad to see so many tourists visiting a place and taking no care or keeping to the boundaries set by caretakers. For example, in New Zealand - South Island there is a beautiful place where the Scottish settlers built a Church on the banks of lake Tekapo. This location and view is spectacularly beautiful, unfortunately the local community have had to erect a fence around the Church. This as done because of the high volume of visitors from the Asian region were chipping pieces of stone from the beautifully built Church!! It saddens me that this had to be done due to the blatant lack of respect of this stunning place.
I have been there 5 times and never tire of experiencing what is there. It is a shame that there is now a barrier to protect the Church.
I’m Australian & similar actions have had to be taken to protect & preserve places that many want to visit. Thanks for starting this conversation. Cheers👍
Unbelievable!! It was like that idiot last year who was arrested for carving his name into the walls of the Colosseum in Rome!!
A very deep thank you. This is important!
Many thanks, I appreciate the great feedback
As always, you hit it and hit it well. In the States, we use the word “steward.” (Although the word is used more often than the practice) We need to be stewards, not extractors. Bravo!!! Bill
Wonderful sentiment, well expressed. Thanks! I myself stick to trails when in the woods.
Thanks man, sometimes I just need to rant and use what little influence I have to make a positive statement ❤️
My mantra: tread lightly, leave no trace, take only memories
Thanks so much for bringing more attention to this topic, Alistair!
One more question everyone should ask themselves in my humble opinion: does it always have to be iceland, faroes etc? Maybe there is a bit of "paying for easy to take photos" involved? Hope this didnt sound too harsh :)
Anyways, keep up the great work!
Thanks for that. Beautiful places are popular for a reason, and I have seen plenty of people make "bad" photos from Iceland! But, at the end of the day, when a fence is in place to limit where you stand, it should be respected, otherwise the fences just get bigger and any hope of photography will go. (as many places do now, just build a giant wall to block the view!)
Well said Alister!
Thanks, I appreciate that
Well said!
I see this behaviour all the time : "this sign or fence is not for me - what damage could i possibly do"
The utter stupidity!
This video is absolutely true and necessary!
And on the matter of flying - well, I do not like flying and I am quite hesitant to do so just for fun. You have to decide for yourself...
I fly very occasionally now, I do carbon offset though.
I hate seeing people damage the environment. The classic being the path of trampled bluebells to the single white bluebell, or to a log for a phone snapshot of the children amongst the flowers. Even dogs can damage them. The following year you can clearly see those paths in the stunted bluebells.
I’m over 50 now and have never taken a holiday outside of England or Wales. It’s a challenge seeing all of those lovely places in RUclips videos, thinking they would be lovely to see in person, but each person that goes causes more damage through flying and impact on the environment. Maybe after 50 years I’m owed a few trips 🙂.
Thanks for that. Yes, it is a real problem (up here in Scotland too) - I never name locations and try to not even hint at them in order to stop that type of thing. Even on workshops I will say to people not to geotag, or name locations on social media. Some are not so thoughtful though and even may ebooks of locations with co-ordinates!
Well the 'laptop' section of my camera bag is primarily populated with trash bags and I did join the nature first alliance when it was first created (although I felt compelled to leave the FB group(s) for personal reasons) but I'm way to introverted and spectrum to ever confront someone directly.
Well said. Alister👍
cheers buddy, thanks
Good points.
Thanks for that 🙏
Unfortunately what may be coming is the limitation on the number of tourists being allowed to visit certain areas and countries all together. We have just returned from Bali which is considering putting limits on their tourism. You can see the effects in all the popular tourist areas. Phi Phi Island in Thailand put a complete ban on tourists for two years to allow their bay to recover. Patagonia has severely limited photographers access in certain areas. I pray this never happens to Iceland or the Faroe Islands.
Excellent job in covering this subject, thank you.
Well said, unfortunately now a days a lot of dont care if anything is on the way they want to photograph. The cut leaves so the pict is clean, etc....I have seen photographers on you tube that they cross the gate so the xan rake a better photograph like you say the world is changing.....
Thank you for bringing up this subject. Those of us who really enjoy all nature are naturally mindful. Unfortunately, too many others are not. I would be willing to bet, those who are careless or do not care, are the same people you would not find in the outdoors if they did not have their camera. I distance myself from other birdwatchers here in the U.S. because of their poor ethics. Whenever the subject is brought up, they are attacked by these disrespectful people. I too, am a serious birder, but do landscape photography; not bird photography. I wish not to impact or change the behavior just for photos. I don’t see this by landscape photographers so much because I don’t go to the iconic locations. Melissa Groo is a professional wildlife photographer, has excellent photos, but also a very good ambassador for ethics. I will check nature First organization which I have not heard of.
As a fellow mad birder I actually stopped photographing birds as well. Bird photographers and birders are not a great mix!! Thanks for your comment, I appreciate it.
Thank you.
It is not taught anymore, the common sense that is.
When I and others had to climb a farmers gate to a field, we were taught to climb at the supported hinged end and not the opening end as that would only strain the gate lower into the mud.
Yes the simple things are the most important
Nice video, I hope it resonates
I appreciate that, thank you.
In light of the wanton destruction of the Sycamore Gap tree, I don’t think it is ever too much to discuss how people should behave in nature!
Well said sir
it's right to remember us about our responsibilities. Sometimes it's obvious but sometimes I don't know where are the limits. When I walk thru a forest I'm always aware about where I put my feet but is it right to be there? I don't know.
I trust your sensitivity to know where the line is
Our behaviours very much come down to our values, and in which order we prioritize those values. If two values we wish to maintain come into conflict, we have an ethical dilemma when we are forced to choose one value over another. If someone values making the photograph more that they value conservation, getting the photo becomes the most important thing to that individual. (You didn't mention those "naturalists" who hike out with less stuff than they hiked in with because they littered and left their garbage behind on the ground. That could be a whole other video....)
Oh man, don't get me started on littering!! Thanks for your sensitivity and great feedback.
We are all hypocrites. We learn to lie before we can walk or talk. It's the only survival instinct we have, hypocrisy. Passing this non-issue, yes, we must draw attention, with education and civility, because deep down we all know that we have also made mistakes, we have also been dazzled, we have also distracted ourselves from the true reason that led us to nature, give and receive affection .
Nothing annoys me more than going to a national park here in the US and see people go off the tracks and climbing the fences.
We must all follow the principles of nature first… no photography is worth compromising the landscape for… its not our right to do… i joined nature first and have made a page on my web site dedicated to the principles of it… its nothing new either… it’s essentially the countyside code i learned in Scouts 35 years ago… i have had a similar experience as you did with the germans in kinclaven woods with people letting their dogs run through the bluebells or people sitting in them and just got verbal abuse back telling me i was a tree hugging twat… I tend to find the photographers who do it are the trophy hunter types rather than those trying to create personal expressions.
I've given up trying to police the general public, they have no clue, but if you call yourself a nature photographer, or a landscape photographer I'll call anyone out. They should be named and shamed.
I think things have really went downhill in the last 5 years, especially over and since the lockdown, people just seem to be so selfish and nasty.
The places I have been Photographing for decades have nearly become no go areas because of some peoples behaviour.
I have had arguments with so called Photography workshop leaders where they have the paticipants in a line with their tripods all taking the same photo and not moving for ages.
Thanks for that and I agree. I like small groups in my workshops so we have minimal impact. We also never "line up to get THE shot." Such a weird mentality!
Yes you are a hypocrite but I think you know that? I am. At least you are thinking and trying. I travelled the world as a photographer and now feel shame for my actions. One of the great things about photography is that you can share your world so others can enjoy without travelling. If we all take care of our own back yard the world will be a lot more pleasant. Nice vid.
Down here on Dartmoor its not Photographers its people abusing the national park, there's 2 main types, The ones that genuinely thinks ok to destroy decades of growth by drawing patterns in the moss and trample right through areas such as Witmans wood to such a point The National Park are now talking about fencing it off. Then there's the Party animal, both families and groups that think it's ok to camp wherever and not follow the Wld camping rules, light fires, defacate and leave rubbish everywhere. This is why the landowners are trying to ban wid camping not because of the genuine hill walkers crossing the moor!! You are not allowed to fly a drone on Dartmoor anymore because of idiots chasing the livestock trying to get some good footage. Think its best I say rant over!!
I believe it was David Attenborough who said Humans are the cancer on Planet Earth. We need every single person with a moral compass to speak up.
Germans… they have destruction in their genes…😅 But seriously: you‘re absolutely right, Alister, with your plea to act like a role model when you‘re out in the landscape. B.t.w. have you heard of the possibility to support the Scottish tourist board by becoming a laird of Glencoe? What do you think of it? It is advertised here in Germany and I wonder if this is serious and helps to protect the Sottish environment. Kind regards, Martin
The essence of the video is very commendable. But the very mention of the location is damaging in its own right. I know this location intimately, have never disclosed the location of all that I have photographed and had published from it. It is not only locations, field craft is an unknown subject to most photographers. Photography has become about massive long telephoto lenses with converters, get the animal/bird portrait whatever the cost or impact to species, ground/landscape conditions, habitat and those species which are irrelevant to the intended subject.
Since you mention Iceland. Being careful about where you step and respectful of the importance of nature is always a good and important point to make. But truth be told, mass tourism has for quite some time been a problem here in Iceland. Especially along the south coast, which has now been more or less taken over by tourists. Being an amateur landscape photographer myself I have no interest in exploring the south coast since it is nothing but tourists and their cars. Imagine the pollution from all those tourist cars! It is not just the natural things themselves, like the moss, that are endangered in situations like in southern Iceland now (and Venice and Dubrovnic and what have you), it is also a cultural danger. Reykjavik is, according to recent statistcs, one of the most "over-touristed" cities in Europe. Ooof. And downtown Reykjavik is now more like a different speech-community where Icelandic has yielded almost completely to English. Sorry for the rant.
I know man! It’s an issue, and it’s all over these days. Education helps, but it is a small drop in the ocean
Us Germans are a friendly bunch, aren’t we?
What you describe is not surprising but still despicable