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  • Опубликовано: 9 фев 2014
  • Evidence Facebook's revenue is based on fake likes.
    My first vid on the problem with Facebook: bit.ly/1dXudqY
    I know first-hand that Facebook's advertising model is deeply flawed. When I paid to promote my page I gained 80,000 followers in developing countries who didn't care about Veritasium (but I wasn't aware of this at the time). They drove my reach and engagement numbers down, basically rendering the page useless. I am not the only one who has experienced this. Rory Cellan-Jones had the same luck with Virtual Bagel: www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-...
    The US Department of State spent $630,000 to acquire 2 million page likes and then realized only 2% were engaged. wapo.st/1glcyZo
    I thought I would demonstrate that the same thing is still happening now by creating Virtual Cat ( / myvirtualcat . I was surprised to discover something worse - false likes are coming from everywhere, including Canada, the US, the UK, and Australia. So even those carefully targeting their campaigns are likely being duped into spending real money on fake followers. Then when they try to reach their followers they have to pay again.
    And it's possible to be a victim of fake likes without even advertising. Pages that end up on Facebook's "International Suggested Pages" are also easy targets for click-farms seeking to diversify their likes. tnw.co/NsflrC
    Thanks to Henry, Grey, and Nessy for feedback on earlier drafts of this video.

Комментарии • 10 тыс.

  • @veritasium
    @veritasium  10 лет назад +10563

    PLEASE NOTE: I will now return to science videos. I posted this video here because when I observe a blatant disregard for the truth I have to do something. I hope to prevent people from having the same experience I did.

    • @pewnit
      @pewnit 9 лет назад +2

      ***** lol, i do not see the id part on fb

    • @NoobTube4148
      @NoobTube4148 9 лет назад +9

      I have a suspicion that those countries you mentioned are very likely to have machines that are part of botnets - due to illegal copies of windows and not using proper anti-virus software.

    • @gnsdfkjgnsfkjgsfioh
      @gnsdfkjgnsfkjgsfioh 9 лет назад +30

      Veritasium i genuinely like this video and Veritasium :P

    • @poonamvhemlani
      @poonamvhemlani 9 лет назад +1

      Veritasium President Barack Obama ruclips.net/video/Xf3ljwuwqg8/видео.html

    • @Vathorst2
      @Vathorst2 9 лет назад +3

      *****
      Cool, was mine in there?
      I dont use facebook.

  • @YusuphWickama
    @YusuphWickama 4 года назад +2241

    It's 2019 and facebook still does this. I just tested this this week

    • @jazzperbeats
      @jazzperbeats 4 года назад +13

      I wonder if they also do it for other ads.

    • @EagleTheGames
      @EagleTheGames 4 года назад +41

      2020 now and it's still the same

    • @2028end
      @2028end 4 года назад +15

      yup, I'm beginning to see Facebook advertising is just one big scam!

    • @xKyriakoZ
      @xKyriakoZ 4 года назад +1

      2020

    • @bubbuddy986
      @bubbuddy986 4 года назад

      Yusuph Wickama hi

  • @sabeenshahid2024
    @sabeenshahid2024 3 года назад +666

    This definitely aged well.

    • @aracoixo3288
      @aracoixo3288 2 года назад +22

      🍷

    • @profile1157
      @profile1157 2 года назад +4

      @@aracoixo3288 like wine

    • @oliveiraoliveira6035
      @oliveiraoliveira6035 2 года назад +7

      brasil aqui. definitivamente o veritasium é o melhor canal de ciencia desde dos primordios do youtube. saudaçoes aos fans, ao derek e a todos que sobreviveram ate aqui em 2021. longa vida o canal! FORA BOLSONARO!

    • @profile1157
      @profile1157 2 года назад +3

      @@oliveiraoliveira6035 blah blah blah

    • @lonesome3958
      @lonesome3958 2 года назад +1

      Even better now

  • @samudrajs5409
    @samudrajs5409 2 года назад +95

    It's 2021. Facebook hasn't still fixed it. I run a FaceBook based science group and a page. Frustated for the same reason. Huge follower base, little to no engagement.

    • @LevelofClarity
      @LevelofClarity 2 года назад +3

      I’m with you. Same problem. The only way to generate any significant amount of engagement is by paying large sums of money. It’s messed up.

    • @danarzechula3769
      @danarzechula3769 2 года назад +1

      Thank the government. Why do you think zuckie went to the white house?0

    • @LevelofClarity
      @LevelofClarity 2 года назад

      @Daniel Duran You could definitely create a new account, start from scratch, and only advertise to a very specific demo, which would likely alleviate the majority of the issue. The problem for a business like ours is that we've had this page for the last 12 years and starting a new page would be pretty rough. However, if you had another brand or something you probably could go this route.

    • @juliecostello42
      @juliecostello42 2 года назад

      I've been pointing this out for about 6 years now, good to see an insider who is willing to display the analytical data behind the promotional frauds and data collection being resold to companies to generate revenue and ruin lives in the name of capitalism or consumerism or both.

    • @SimBir08
      @SimBir08 2 года назад

      @Daniel Duran You could make your own website, most ISP's provide webspace. Even the most basic of websites will give you what facebook offers. Just add a link to your facebook page and once you have enough interest in your site you can drop facebook altogether.

  • @AsapSCIENCE
    @AsapSCIENCE 10 лет назад +1298

    Really fantastic video, Derek! It's frustrating to know how little FB cares about its users.

    • @Saffreuge
      @Saffreuge 7 лет назад +5

      three years in, and G+ is full of crickets

    • @deebmonkey23
      @deebmonkey23 7 лет назад +11

      Yeah I was wrong.

    • @hommiez2018
      @hommiez2018 5 лет назад +1

      Stephen Spinney are you still there?

    • @denitajohnson8245
      @denitajohnson8245 5 лет назад +1

      Learn something new about Facebook everyday!

    • @AdrieKooijman
      @AdrieKooijman 3 года назад +1

      It's shocking how little users care.

  • @DeyvsonMoutinhoCaliman
    @DeyvsonMoutinhoCaliman 5 лет назад +727

    Mind blowing. When someone says something is a "fraud" I don't expect much, but in this case it was a legit demonstration.

  • @mihirkagalkar8349
    @mihirkagalkar8349 3 года назад +250

    well looks like mr zuckey never fails to disappoint me every time

    • @magics902
      @magics902 2 года назад +10

      The saddest thing is this is from 2014. And yet this is exactly how it works in 2021 still.

    • @williamhuang8309
      @williamhuang8309 2 года назад +8

      Mr Suckey

    • @ThomasJr
      @ThomasJr 2 года назад +1

      Who, Dorkberg?

    • @ThomasJr
      @ThomasJr 2 года назад

      Mark Zuccsucks

    • @pyotrtchaikovsky9097
      @pyotrtchaikovsky9097 2 года назад

      🤣🤣🤣

  • @MorteJachwe
    @MorteJachwe 2 года назад +156

    I am austrian and right now I am very proud of my folks :D

    • @nostalji75
      @nostalji75 2 года назад

      As someone who sees nationality very critically I have to admit and agree with a villain: "Fun isn’t something one considers when balancing the universe, but this does put a smile on my face."

    • @goldemordx3599
      @goldemordx3599 2 года назад +5

      Fellow Austrian here... I'm very late to the party but still... yey 👍🏽 go us 😅🇦🇹

    • @000blackmage000
      @000blackmage000 2 года назад +4

      Send kangroos bro.

    • @MorteJachwe
      @MorteJachwe 2 года назад +4

      @@000blackmage000 Schwarzenegger, not crocodile dundee ;)

    • @niklashitzinger2285
      @niklashitzinger2285 Год назад

      wir han einfach schlauer

  • @purpleperplexer
    @purpleperplexer 5 лет назад +396

    "US State Department paid $630,000 to acquire 2M fans." The bureaucracy is at it again.

    • @andrewrichmond85
      @andrewrichmond85 5 лет назад +18

      I might genuinely like the State Department if they could get my passport to me in a timely manner! I hate to hear they wasted that much money.

    • @janosk8392
      @janosk8392 4 года назад +5

      Can you verify that statement?

    • @jpmorgan187
      @jpmorgan187 4 года назад +8

      Disgusting use of tax dollars. Tip of the iceberg though.

    • @vaisnow
      @vaisnow 4 года назад +2

      Tax money in action, people

    • @ixlnxs
      @ixlnxs 4 года назад +6

      The world's biggest running joke is how the USA always accuses all the other developed countries of being "socialist" and "inefficient" while wildly outspending the rest of the globe, but with very little to show for it other than the worst public health care, the worst public transport, and the worst public education of all developed countries.

  • @madhuvottery7478
    @madhuvottery7478 4 года назад +1937

    The dislikes are from Facebook.
    I'm a real fan of Veritasium from India, by the way.

    • @ViratKohli-jj3wj
      @ViratKohli-jj3wj 4 года назад +38

      कैसे हो भाई

    • @ViratKohli-jj3wj
      @ViratKohli-jj3wj 4 года назад +35

      या बहन

    • @interlucid
      @interlucid 4 года назад +34

      but Facebook doesn't believe in dislikes!

    • @unrealpigzgaming8014
      @unrealpigzgaming8014 3 года назад +39

      @@interlucid what about dis-i-likes?

    • @ronnierouse1146
      @ronnierouse1146 3 года назад +6

      Facebook should be destroyed. Anything that's good about it a clone-site would accomplish better, without the bottomless greed.

  • @shwetaanand9539
    @shwetaanand9539 3 года назад +31

    Hi, Love and greetings from India. I watch your RUclips posts and eagerly wait for the next. Seriously I go through your uploads repeatedly if the topic is difficult. I am 48 by now and your posts reminds me of my school days. I thank you for your excellent and explanatory videos.

  • @LIONGOD
    @LIONGOD 2 года назад +1

    this still holds up 8 years later, and not just for Facebook

  • @raihanulIslamrana
    @raihanulIslamrana 7 лет назад +6485

    I am from Dhaka, Bangladesh . But i am a real fan of Veritasium

    • @oitagged
      @oitagged 7 лет назад +122

      same here :v however, from chittagong :p although i never knew there was a facebook page o.O :D

    • @xXx0dNgRs0xXx
      @xXx0dNgRs0xXx 7 лет назад +93

      u have internet there ? lol

    • @xXx0dNgRs0xXx
      @xXx0dNgRs0xXx 7 лет назад +7

      Raihan Rana
      based on reciprocity

    • @crazysikhguy2369
      @crazysikhguy2369 7 лет назад +131

      I'm Indian and I am legitimately interested in the page

    • @glenn2687
      @glenn2687 7 лет назад +58

      i'm from the philippines but i am genuinely interested in science content.

  • @abdulmuktadir4447
    @abdulmuktadir4447 6 лет назад +2361

    here's a real like from Dhaka, Bangladesh.

  • @stevenwilliams1915
    @stevenwilliams1915 2 года назад +26

    Kudos to you Derek! You always live up to your channel's name. Hats off for standing up to Goliath!

  • @eransasson20
    @eransasson20 2 года назад +1

    Well done !! Pedagogy about how social networks thrive is more than needed.

  • @TheAdriyaman
    @TheAdriyaman 8 лет назад +306

    I work at a click farm.

    • @MertyShangoOfficial
      @MertyShangoOfficial 8 лет назад +20

      dope

    • @aikslf
      @aikslf 8 лет назад +85

      I plant mouse seeds.

    • @DirpyTurtle
      @DirpyTurtle 8 лет назад +24

      +ɐᴉdoʇoʞsooʞ can I buy a steel series seed?

    • @aikslf
      @aikslf 8 лет назад +35

      Dirpy Turtle No. When the mice grow, they auto-click on whatever you tell them to.

    • @RGlynix
      @RGlynix 7 лет назад

      best farm

  • @nonelost1
    @nonelost1 9 лет назад +89

    4:11 Next up, engagement farms!

    • @Suldok
      @Suldok 9 лет назад

      Marshall Curtis lol

    • @ScienceMarc
      @ScienceMarc 8 лет назад

      That would technically solve the problem

    • @KungFuChess
      @KungFuChess 8 лет назад +6

      +Marshall Curtis those already exist in Las Vegas

    • @Snyper20
      @Snyper20 8 лет назад

      +AndreT Cool, I'll get to work as soon as I deposit your check for the first 40 hours ;)
      Just send it to me now and I'll get back to you within a few business days.

    • @AkshayShukla.
      @AkshayShukla. Год назад

      They exist currently. On RUclips and Instagram. I have seen bulks of copy paste comments on posts, who say
      "I love this man, he is so hardworking" on every video.

  • @SluggishRain
    @SluggishRain 3 года назад +5

    “Here’s Egypt”
    *BOUNG*

  • @Alt3Tab
    @Alt3Tab 3 года назад +2

    meanwhile, its 2020 and the ***show continues. Found this channel while on a knowledge rampage and this really nice. keep up the good work.

  • @nightvisiongoggles
    @nightvisiongoggles 5 лет назад +515

    You know what draws real Facebook engagements?
    1: Directed anger towards a common enemy or becoming the enemy
    2: Echo chambers for fans of popular things and people with an interspersion of controversy so they react hastily

    • @warpspeed8305
      @warpspeed8305 4 года назад +18

      So posting this video on facebook

    • @alice_in_wonderland42
      @alice_in_wonderland42 3 года назад +4

      Controversy generates clicks, ask Quora they know it better.

    • @shifa-8423
      @shifa-8423 3 года назад

    • @cinegraphics
      @cinegraphics 2 года назад

      So, posts about Lewis Hamilton :)

    • @chertfoot1500
      @chertfoot1500 2 года назад

      @@alice_in_wonderland42 Quora kicked me off for having a fake name. Soon after, they started recruiting me to be a Big Quora Dude or whatever they call it, saying I could be making money with them.

  • @lukesamconnorvideos
    @lukesamconnorvideos 8 лет назад +170

    what if we just all stopped using facebook because it's terrible

    • @ZER0--
      @ZER0-- 8 лет назад +1

      +Honest Tech Reviews Then it would fail.

    • @lukesamconnorvideos
      @lukesamconnorvideos 8 лет назад +23

      Paul L that's the point

    • @karlandersson4350
      @karlandersson4350 8 лет назад +5

      +Honest Tech Reviews But where would i go to spy on my friends hot friends with big boobs then?

    • @NikolayVityazev
      @NikolayVityazev 8 лет назад +1

      +Honest Tech Reviews I stopped to use facebook seven years ago. But haven't deleted account, just in case.

    • @amisfitpuivk
      @amisfitpuivk 8 лет назад +1

      done. But there's always more kids going to college and signing up, so it probably won't work

  • @ernestjones635
    @ernestjones635 3 года назад +11

    Amusingly, the ad at the very end of the video begins "Do you want to grow your Facebook page?"

  • @nahkampfsocke315
    @nahkampfsocke315 2 года назад +3

    I am Austrian! Proud to see that your page gets so much attention in our country🙏🏼

  • @geetarwanabe
    @geetarwanabe 8 лет назад +348

    I deleted my Facebook account recently. It's just full of spam on your wall nowadays and I can't be bothered with it any more.
    Note also facebook only paying £4300odd in tax last year which is actually less than I pay in tax and yet my salary isn't anywhere near as high as Facebooks revenue. The whole company is Fraudulent.

    • @Murph1989sean
      @Murph1989sean 8 лет назад +6

      +geetarwanabe Not trying to start anything but your comment brings up an interesting question:
      How much in taxes should a US based internet company pay the UK? Or any other country for that matter? Likewise, how much money should a UK website pay the US Gov in taxes for its use.

    • @ianjackson9852
      @ianjackson9852 8 лет назад

      +Sean Murphy I think he means the total value, not in that currency to the country where that currency is established (Facebook pays less than 4300 pounds worth, in dollars, to the US government.)

    • @geetarwanabe
      @geetarwanabe 8 лет назад +26

      Ian Jackson Not quite, Ian. Facebook paid approx £4300 (British pounds) to the UK government last year.
      Sean Murphy I'd say if you have a base of operations within any border and/or operate a business where financial exchanges occur and you make money from said country then you should pay the commercial tax set by that country, at least on the monies accrued within said country. Facebook had revenues within the UK of over £100 million but paid only £4200 in UK tax because they technically operated at a loss. They operated at a loss because they offered a £28million bonus scheme for their 300odd staff inside the UK by giving them shares. The capital of the company was still the same but on the books they were operating at a loss. Or, in other words, they were fraudulent in their business acumen to trick their way into paying less corporate tax and maximising the companies profits.

    • @ianjackson9852
      @ianjackson9852 8 лет назад +1

      geetarwanabe I don't know much about taxes; I thought that Facebook paid taxes only to the country it is based in (US). Thanks for explaining that money was made in the UK and that they only paid 4300 pounds to the UK, not the US (as I assumed).

    • @dieselscience
      @dieselscience 8 лет назад +5

      +geetarwanabe I'm not trying to one-up you but I deleted my FB almost three years ago. I began to realize if I am not paying to advertise a product or being paid for product advertisements I *am* the advertised product and I am not being compensated. I don't do pro bono work for billion dollar multinational corporations like FB.

  • @TampaTec
    @TampaTec 6 лет назад +210

    fakebook is a wart on the internet's ass that we can't get rid of.

    • @jater10
      @jater10 6 лет назад +5

      No business is secure in the market forever. See what's going on with Sears these days. Facebook is big, so was MySpace before it.

    • @thomaswanado8744
      @thomaswanado8744 6 лет назад +6

      Facebook will eventually go down the toilet where it belongs.

  • @null8026
    @null8026 Год назад +3

    It's not just Facebook doing this, but also Google (and I'm pretty sure everyone else). A year ago I spent 100$ to promote videos on my channel. 50$ on one particular video and the rest on the others. I've got 3000 views on one video and 4000 on the others. Despite targeting the audience that I know would like my videos, people didn't watch it for more than 30 seconds, less than a percent of all people that watched my videos were engaged, and the most importantly most of the traffic came from Vietnam and India. 100$ are just wasted.

  • @Mark-ef7pi
    @Mark-ef7pi Год назад +1

    While this video is dated, it's absolutely priceless for small business owners.

  • @AlexAlexanderLIVE
    @AlexAlexanderLIVE 7 лет назад +190

    So nice to finally hear someone talking about this, Im in the same boat spent 100$ of dollars on ads to build up my page but the reach and engagement is now stone dead...

    • @AlexAlexanderLIVE
      @AlexAlexanderLIVE 7 лет назад +8

      Hahaha well i actually have a V-neck t shirt under there but its a cropped shot...

    • @dropj3
      @dropj3 7 лет назад +8

      Alex Alexander like your reaction :).. always nice to see when someone has a sense of humor

    • @mycelium9629
      @mycelium9629 6 лет назад +2

      70th like!

    • @nazzbuzztutorials9256
      @nazzbuzztutorials9256 6 лет назад +2

      TODAY IS 2018.. AND I ONLY RECEIVE BOT LIKES

    • @cymond
      @cymond 2 года назад

      @@nazzbuzztutorials9256 I AM NOT A BOT ::beep boop::

  • @shieldgenerator7
    @shieldgenerator7 7 лет назад +621

    This makes me even happier that I'm not on Facebook

    • @petriheil8543
      @petriheil8543 7 лет назад +14

      I mistrusted facebook from their very beginnings (even though it
      originally had a community oriented aura)but especially since they went
      on the stockmarket. Individuals are not users, they are simply
      apromising market segment with a value.
      Facebook has no community spirit, no matter how grand Mr. Zuckerbergs pretentions or donations.
      I am glad I don`t use any of FB or WhatsApp services, I am glad I have only few friends (on whom I can count).

    • @JonatasAdoM
      @JonatasAdoM 7 лет назад +7

      Whatsapp is a mean of communication like other programs, PEOPLE turn it into a social network thing.
      About Facebook after Google's Orkut I became aware of the reality and just refused to use facebook.
      Guess I was right.

    • @silentios7336
      @silentios7336 7 лет назад +7

      My Mother always told me that you can not trust a jew.

    • @fahadsaleem3742
      @fahadsaleem3742 7 лет назад

      What do you use then?

    • @shieldgenerator7
      @shieldgenerator7 7 лет назад

      Fahad Saleem
      email

  • @wilso26
    @wilso26 3 года назад +14

    Man I really love your videos, they are an inspiration for me. Love the part "And that's not my just opinion" It says it in the bio "That I created" too funny

  • @dixit6605
    @dixit6605 3 года назад +6

    Here is a genuine subscriber from *INDIA* 🙌 .
    Facebook is widely used here by mostly illiterate people, Instagram is also trending from last 2 years. I deleted my Instragram account last year to focus more on good content provided by you and others like you.

  • @mowu8459
    @mowu8459 7 лет назад +317

    WHY IS THERE A -5 ON THE ENGAGEMENT CHART
    THEY ENGAGE SO LITTLE THEY ANTIENGAGE

    • @Djorgal
      @Djorgal 7 лет назад +86

      What? Of course they did. They made a lot of changes in order to make sure it isn't cross compatible with any free alternative. Isn't that improvement?

    • @martinnimcevic8197
      @martinnimcevic8197 6 лет назад +2

      excel is free if you have a VPN

    • @Sacchidanand
      @Sacchidanand 6 лет назад +4

      Martin Nimcevic, what? VPN? 😅

    • @borekworek69
      @borekworek69 6 лет назад +3

      ? Virtual Private Network??

    • @itsokbyharsaaj8020
      @itsokbyharsaaj8020 5 лет назад +5

      lol they engagen't

  • @8siandude72
    @8siandude72 8 лет назад +567

    I actually went to Virtual Cat to like the page lol.

    • @flubs2298
      @flubs2298 8 лет назад +52

      You're ruining the experiment!

    • @aexon9707
      @aexon9707 8 лет назад +46

      +Pie Empire the experiment is kinda over.

    • @flubs2298
      @flubs2298 8 лет назад +4

      Aexon Not really, he can go back to it for more data at any time.

    • @aexon9707
      @aexon9707 8 лет назад +55

      Pie Empire by publishing the video he knows people will go like it.

    • @manictiger
      @manictiger 7 лет назад +66

      11,630 likes
      We could say...
      The cat is out of the bag.

  • @abhishektiwari8514
    @abhishektiwari8514 3 года назад +75

    A little late, but here's a genuine like from India. 😬
    Ironically the youtube ad before this video started was titled "facebook page growth" 😆

  • @farhanshariftasin9305
    @farhanshariftasin9305 2 года назад +2

    Watchin it from Dhaka,Bangladesh
    & Nothing has changed till now👽

  • @SuperSaf
    @SuperSaf 10 лет назад +36

    Always been wary of Facebook advertising, this video confirmed my suspicions!

  • @wimbet
    @wimbet 10 лет назад +32

    Pretty much every social network has a problem with fake engagements, but this video shows how bad it can be on Facebook.

    • @RuslanGolenkovPhotography
      @RuslanGolenkovPhotography 10 лет назад +2

      And i wondered why i have so many likes from Middle East and i never targeted my adverts to that region.

  • @pmishraofficial
    @pmishraofficial 3 года назад +11

    2021 and this hasn't changed yet!

  • @SafirAksel
    @SafirAksel 2 года назад +2

    Hey, I'm from Indonesia and I genuinely love this channel.

  • @GoRideLP
    @GoRideLP 6 лет назад +507

    facebook should call it Li(k)es

  • @umenjaplooona
    @umenjaplooona 9 лет назад +1200

    Im from austria and i feel honoured, i love your videos;)

    • @veritasium
      @veritasium  9 лет назад +113

      I am the one who is honoured! Thanks for your support!

    • @RiaRadioFMHD773
      @RiaRadioFMHD773 9 лет назад +9

      Veritasium And I thought their "privacy policy" was shadey. The root of much evil is not money BUT the adoration of it. This abnormal affection for profit has the potential to cause some corporations to do what many will think of as immoral and unethical. Money can also be a voice for consumers. If we actively restrict our purchases to companies with merit, those without it will receive the message LOUD and clear.

    • @NineSun001
      @NineSun001 9 лет назад +7

      Veritasium
      Yes, got also mentioned (Germany) :)
      Which countries are the two dots between Germany and Austria?
      But the Austria dot is nice. So If a facebook site ever gets likes from Austria they've made it :)

    • @KVKBaraniPrasath
      @KVKBaraniPrasath 9 лет назад +1

      manas tiwari I know that feeling my fellow Indian :P

    • @FirebladeXXL
      @FirebladeXXL 9 лет назад +4

      Nico Sänger not necessarily. who sais austrians like every stuff the same. maybe they just like science and truth :D

  • @WoWdreamWoW
    @WoWdreamWoW 3 года назад

    Thanks... This explains a lot about our Facebook business ad dichotomy...

  • @mohdrazif777
    @mohdrazif777 3 года назад +6

    6 years ago. I thought it was just like few days ago he uploaded this. Damn.

  • @v.567
    @v.567 6 лет назад +240

    Why am I watching this? I don't even use facebook

    • @macaroon_nuggets8008
      @macaroon_nuggets8008 4 года назад +8

      Good

    • @loc878
      @loc878 4 года назад +1

      Same here

    • @ordenax
      @ordenax 4 года назад +1

      Good to know. To tell ( save) your friends.

    • @wb6wsn
      @wb6wsn 4 года назад +7

      You don't use FB; FB uses you.

    • @AK06ApeX
      @AK06ApeX 4 года назад +4

      Deactivated fB 7 years ago. Best decision ever made!

  • @92billly
    @92billly 6 лет назад +204

    So i come to realize face book was a complete waste of my time. It adds no valve at all. I thought I deleted my account ages ago but turned out it was only disabled. If you really want to delete the account it's hidden in some random section on the web site (I had to, Google how to permanently delete it).
    Face book is a unhealthy addiction and only cares how it can make money out of its users

    • @sujanaryal833
      @sujanaryal833 5 лет назад +10

      Apparently even that won’t delete it permanently and can still be reactivated

    • @ankurghosh2387
      @ankurghosh2387 4 года назад

      Or apparently your data isn't deleted at all. Might have been sold...

    • @bulldozer8950
      @bulldozer8950 4 года назад

      Can you link to how to delete it? I wasn’t able to find any way to delete it

    • @ViratKohli-jj3wj
      @ViratKohli-jj3wj 4 года назад +1

      @@bulldozer8950 there is no Way to delete facebook :(

    • @theatom7264
      @theatom7264 4 года назад

      It used to be a good way of keeping in touch with friends & family & a way to get news from various interests but now its mostly just a cesspit of ads & spambots. Been with Facebook for over 10 years but now I’m close to closing my account & quitting it all together. I’m only really using it to back up & save mobile game data on some games I play on my phone.

  • @kingdollop-head743
    @kingdollop-head743 Год назад

    Thanks for spreading this information! I’ve been tempted to buy ads on Instagram for my small business, but now I know I won’t

  • @aryanparekh9314
    @aryanparekh9314 3 года назад +1

    "Congressman, I don't know the answer to that..."

  • @RobertJones
    @RobertJones 10 лет назад +29

    I've been telling my clients for YEARS not to pay any attention to the number of "likes" on their pages but to focus instead on genuine engagement as the metric for success. Instead I've had lots of clients become disenchanted with the slow process and instead pay for the types of ads Derek talks about in this video, only to see their engagement go down afterwards and the ROI looks terrible and then they fire me as their consultant.
    I'm glad Derek went through and really laid out the better argument so I can point people to this video each time a client of mine wants to "speed things up." Social media is a long-haul game, when you try to get around the long trek you lose.

    • @RobertJones
      @RobertJones 10 лет назад

      Tagging some folks I think should watch this: HaldeCraft ***** ***** Nikki Baulisch

    • @MichaelADiMuccio
      @MichaelADiMuccio 10 лет назад

      The future of social media and business is with a start up called tictalking. Here corporations are able to leverage social media, directing users back to their own websites and more importantly collect the analytics to provide better content.

  • @genevievering7999
    @genevievering7999 6 лет назад +873

    This video is from 2014. Has FB changed it's practices or are they still the same?

    • @manuelsoares4343
      @manuelsoares4343 6 лет назад +125

      Genevieve Ring nope

    • @muhammedibrahim9452
      @muhammedibrahim9452 6 лет назад +333

      Even worse. They fucked up.

    • @nazzbuzztutorials9256
      @nazzbuzztutorials9256 6 лет назад +93

      HELLL NO.... TODAY IS 2018 AND FACEBOOK STILL IS GIVING PEOPLE BOT LIKE! ONLY 1% OF IT IS REAL HUMAN VISITOR

    • @Mak_0007
      @Mak_0007 6 лет назад +96

      No. I deleted my Facebook account because of this. Its useless garbage and a waste of time.

    • @raiyan3348
      @raiyan3348 6 лет назад +4

      nope, and the same

  • @donmahmud1326
    @donmahmud1326 2 года назад +1

    Respect and Real Like From Dhaka, Bangladesh living in the USA. Love what you doing. Dude my brother you got the balls to pick fight with the Giant of the internet. I am throwing in my full support for you and your cause......RESPECT

  • @SuaveToday
    @SuaveToday 2 года назад

    Congrats on 10 million subs dude, you deserve every one

  • @electricdreamer
    @electricdreamer 8 лет назад +829

    I left facebook a long time ago. It's completely useless.

    • @Notjobincome
      @Notjobincome 8 лет назад +3

      Not really, you will have to optimize your ad like testing different pages, ages, countries. It took me $600 to test certain pages, ages, and countries. Now My ROI is about $10 back for every $1 spent for a conversion. You will need a chunk of money first to test different things before you find the right targeted page. Its not useless, people give up because they spent over $100 and see no results, the key is to keep testing.

    • @Bulbophile
      @Bulbophile 7 лет назад

      and yet their stock price is soaring, even now

    • @FrankZen
      @FrankZen 7 лет назад +5

      +Bulbophile see 2000s dot.com bubble....

    • @commentcontrol7187
      @commentcontrol7187 7 лет назад +1

      not as bad though

    • @Cooltaha
      @Cooltaha 7 лет назад +5

      its pretty shitty

  • @careercode
    @careercode 5 лет назад +268

    FB ads are still same in 2018. I wasted money on Facebook Ads and I made a video on that today exposing Facebook ads

  • @davidmadhatter9606
    @davidmadhatter9606 2 года назад +1

    I am not a youtube robot (or am I?) but I must emphasise how much I enjoy your work. Thanks for offering us so much knowledge in fun interesting videos. Great entertainment that tickles my brain...

  • @robinhooper7702
    @robinhooper7702 3 года назад

    Love your cannel. You are an revolutionary thinker and you awaken minds. Thanks

  • @HouseholdHacker
    @HouseholdHacker 10 лет назад +27

    Excellent video! Ask anyone who has ever tried to garner more attention on Facebook, this video hits the nail on the head.

    • @EugeneMillerErm
      @EugeneMillerErm 10 лет назад

      Loved it

    • @CroatianMinecrafter
      @CroatianMinecrafter 10 лет назад +1

      I would say that generally "advertising" a social page does not make much sence since it is designed to be in touch eather to people close to you, or people who share same interest.
      Just a "Like" is worthless, it doesen't even mean that somebody likes your content anymore.

  • @jimmyintn980
    @jimmyintn980 6 лет назад +423

    Sure wish I would have found this before spending $100's. I'm giving away a $200 gift certificate to my webstore and paid to boost the ad. I've gotten thousands of views and hundreds of likes and NONE of them have signed up to the giveaway. I wish someone would start a class-action suit against Facebook. How is this not fraud???? It's been 4 years since this video was made and it's STILL happening.

    • @TG-fh7mc
      @TG-fh7mc 4 года назад +20

      Someone start it? You are someone yourself, aren't you?

    • @hubbcap18
      @hubbcap18 4 года назад +4

      @@Mathijs303 we've reached 2020 with no end in....sight

    • @Maussiegamer
      @Maussiegamer 4 года назад +1

      can I still join giveaway?

  • @sadlyitsmeee
    @sadlyitsmeee 2 года назад +4

    I'm from Dhaka, Bangladesh.
    And this is actually funny to see my country getting mentioned so many times (More precisely my city).
    lol.

  • @luzdanielleaniban7363
    @luzdanielleaniban7363 2 года назад

    Real fan here from the Philippines. Discovered your channel, thanks to my curious questions in YT search bar 🤣

  • @FlygisTheFlygis
    @FlygisTheFlygis 7 лет назад +29

    It's not people just sitting and clicking things all day. It's bots that log into accounts, navigate the website, execute an action, log out and repeat.

  • @kolvis6626
    @kolvis6626 6 лет назад +329

    I don't use Facebook, I don't like Facebook, and I will never use Facebook.

    • @meta04
      @meta04 5 лет назад +3

      it's like they have hostility to privacy as their main core value. "if you don't agree to the new Privacy Policy, you can't continue to use Facebook" despite GDPR explicitly saying no to that

    • @MikhaelAhava
      @MikhaelAhava 5 лет назад

      Lucky you.

    • @Ag89q43G0HyA
      @Ag89q43G0HyA 5 лет назад +3

      you have an active account on facebook, actually more than 2

    • @nob2243
      @nob2243 5 лет назад +4

      @HIGHWAY TO HEAVEN Facebook itself is spying on us more actively, and collects more data, than FBI ever could. That's why they know they just can't compete :D

    • @makrumakru5300
      @makrumakru5300 5 лет назад

      @@x_x5009 ban face buk mesenger yuser dataa server save after leek not gud unstal after instal alll data mobail no dilate

  • @muzammilather4669
    @muzammilather4669 2 года назад

    Just look at how times have changed

  • @dr.devendrasharma6367
    @dr.devendrasharma6367 2 года назад

    Very well tested and explained. Thanks Mate...

  • @WonderWhy
    @WonderWhy 10 лет назад +22

    Now time to share this video on Facebook...

  • @horrido666
    @horrido666 8 лет назад +81

    Facebook is the new AOL, only slower to die.

    • @theRPGmaster
      @theRPGmaster 8 лет назад +3

      Attack On Lel?

    • @Str1000ac
      @Str1000ac 8 лет назад

      +Dan S or MySpace

    • @Lampeaoo
      @Lampeaoo 8 лет назад +1

      +Dan S Amulet of loss?

    • @amisfitpuivk
      @amisfitpuivk 8 лет назад

      Someone needs to build a house out of old AoL floppy discs. Time to google

  • @Swim_Jonse
    @Swim_Jonse 3 года назад

    I really enjoyed this video and this question is unrelated but I have to ask, now that I've heard it several separate times, what is the song playing at the end of this video?
    The one that samples the Firefight drums from Halo: Reach. Those drums are also in KH2. That one. What's up with this loop.

  • @itsanoynomous3253
    @itsanoynomous3253 3 года назад +3

    4:38 meetup from parallel universe

  • @ishrakmohammad2949
    @ishrakmohammad2949 7 лет назад +232

    lol
    I'm your real fan from
    Dhaka, Bangladesh

    • @abdelkarim8381
      @abdelkarim8381 5 лет назад +7

      Well this is awkward! lmao

    • @r1zwxn
      @r1zwxn 5 лет назад +2

      Same 🤣

    • @sunny-hn9ug
      @sunny-hn9ug 5 лет назад +1

      same bro...

    • @humanbeing499
      @humanbeing499 5 лет назад +1

      PLEASE REPORT MISSWILDFIRE page ON FACEBOOK!!! HELPPPP
      I knew the facebook page and their website seemed a bit fishy but all my friends decided to order anyway and the total amount spent by them was probably over 1k or 2k dollars. I just feel so bad for them because when they initially contacted the website and the facebook page no one replied but the payments looked very safe and verified so they trusted it and ordered anyway and now they haven't received their products for over a month, no one has contacted them, no one has replied to any of their emails or messages yet, no tracking number, no confirmation, NOTHING. Also I've noticed they've been constantly deleting any comments on their facebook page that looks bad for them. If they have time to delete bad facebook comments then why not have the time to reply to at least one of us!!

  • @JulienNeel
    @JulienNeel 10 лет назад +19

    Thank you for making this video. I've enjoyed all your previous science-related content, but this is really excellent.
    I fell for paid so-called "boosted" Facebook posts, since I was barely reaching 10% to 15% of my fans (I noticed the same problem with RUclips too...), and the results were barely noticeable. I hope this video goes viral and the right people see this.
    Thanks!

  • @TriageII
    @TriageII 2 года назад +1

    I know this is an old video, but there is actually another reason why click farms click other ads. Some companies pay for that, so that the ads from their competitors go nowhere. I only know that because I had a friend who engaged with that to promote his local store, it can lead to a legitimate business being spammed with bots and click farms even though they never did.

  • @JohannFrederick
    @JohannFrederick 4 года назад +2

    i deleted my fb account 2 years ago, never looked back since

  • @HybridLibrarian
    @HybridLibrarian 10 лет назад +50

    Thanks for sharing this Derek, that was very interesting. I've always been very suspicious of these promotion systems, this video has definitely convinced me never to use such tricks. Basically only allows you to buy a cardboard decor of playmobil figures for your page, pointless.

    • @LabGecko
      @LabGecko 2 года назад +1

      Worse than pointless - it will make the algorithm _not_ recommend you to people who would actually engage.

  • @ashishjog
    @ashishjog 7 лет назад +180

    Virtual Cat has now over 12K likes...

    • @David-ud9ju
      @David-ud9ju 5 лет назад +32

      Presumably that's from people who have seen this video though.

    • @vlogsofanundergrad2034
      @vlogsofanundergrad2034 5 лет назад +6

      @@David-ud9ju no what the hell, why would anyone who watched this video like that page, it goes completely against the message.

    • @fitrianhidayat
      @fitrianhidayat 5 лет назад +19

      @@vlogsofanundergrad2034 for trolling

    • @russell2449
      @russell2449 5 лет назад +1

      Now less than 12K, I liked that page and am number 11,876, WOOT!!! ;?D

    • @gustre
      @gustre 5 лет назад +2

      @@vlogsofanundergrad2034 i did and i dont know why i did so. i even paused the video to do it. and now i will continue watching the vid

  • @DannyBPlays
    @DannyBPlays 2 года назад

    RUclips is guilty of the same thing, I've experienced. A few years ago I got some google ad credit and used it to promote a YT video of mine. It got my video about 3,000 views, but there were MAYBE 3 comments and very few likes. And I had targeted people who were fans of similar channels and videos so I knew it should be reaching legitimate people

  • @ishanpujari2171
    @ishanpujari2171 3 года назад +2

    We want an update on how Virtual cat is doing!

  • @yafi2475
    @yafi2475 8 лет назад +260

    I am from Dhaka, Bangladesh. And I am feeling ashamed

    • @TonyStark-ze4ph
      @TonyStark-ze4ph 8 лет назад +1

      Me too

    • @Ciprian-Amarandei
      @Ciprian-Amarandei 7 лет назад +3

      2 of my ex "clients" where from Bangladesh , Dhaka and both failed to pay for the services I've done for them. I cannot be in more agreement your statement.

    • @abhishekshankar1136
      @abhishekshankar1136 6 лет назад +13

      dude theres is nothing to feel ashamed about... its how stuff works

    • @abhishekshankar1136
      @abhishekshankar1136 6 лет назад +20

      infact i have seen a real click farm... so basically these guys purchase a very small room enough for 500 phones.. and they attach it onto wall and they are all connected to a central computer... so when such a guy at the computer gets a request he just programs all the phones to like that Facebook page from multiple accounts in the 500 phones that he bought.... so say he gets a request for 4000 likes he will just repeat the process 8 times over to reach 4000 likes... thats how he makes his living... its quiet profitable... plus there is a tie up with the guy and the phone distributor... so say he purchases 500 phones he will just give a portion of his share to the phone distributor everytime someone buys his like service.... thats how he pays off for the 500 phones(low quality).... eventually he will buy more and expand his business

    • @sonicfoxxmusic4281
      @sonicfoxxmusic4281 6 лет назад +1

      See the comment above of Sonic Foxx Music.....
      I DID NOT write it on there....and when i tried to write this message in the "reply" ....it wouldn't allow me to....that is fraudulent activity.
      Welcome to the criminal internet.

  • @alltime10s
    @alltime10s 10 лет назад +117

    Great video Derek! :D

  • @overcraft1441
    @overcraft1441 2 года назад +1

    It’s 2021 and Facebook still does this. I just tested it this week.

  • @SaeedJassani
    @SaeedJassani 3 года назад +2

    Has anyone checked if this is the case with Twitter as well?

  • @II_superluminal_II
    @II_superluminal_II 4 года назад +37

    This is exactly what amazon is facing with Prime shipping, worked at first and now its mostly up to shady third party last mile shipping companies that are taking hold of the mailing marking in the locality of USPS.

  • @Tomnedreb
    @Tomnedreb 8 лет назад +429

    Facebook sucks big time, end of discussion!

    • @cgg3169
      @cgg3169 6 лет назад +3

      Tomnedreb I agree why do gets addicted to it!!??

    • @TheAnantaSesa
      @TheAnantaSesa 6 лет назад +1

      Stop undermining OP's statement. the discussion is over. And you have the gaul to ask questions.

    • @TheAnantaSesa
      @TheAnantaSesa 6 лет назад

      Lol

    • @igornowicki29
      @igornowicki29 6 лет назад

      heroin too, but you won't end addiction just by saying that

    • @arbozaliyan
      @arbozaliyan 6 лет назад

      #Tomnedreb That depends on how you use facebook; I used to use to organize students back in college and I used to use it to connect all my kin. Orginizing students was a great success, I banned everyone who trolled around but when it came to the my kin, well you can't stop your grandma from trolling or posting. It was a disaster. Everyday there was like thousands of posts. There were like 200 people in that page but it was too caotic. I think you need to be more selective when forming any kind of social structure on any social portal.

  • @SqueamishNerd
    @SqueamishNerd Год назад +1

    This video made me realise that I needed to konmari my Facebook page likes, and can you imagine what I found out? 20 pages that had been removed, some of which I probably put my like on in high school (half a lifetime ago) and were things I would have NEVER pressed like on today, and they can't be removed from my like tab on my profile. The thing is that I konmaried my Facebook page likes just a few years ago, and back then these pages were hidden. Now I have to live with people seeing these things?

  • @chrissachith
    @chrissachith Год назад

    I’m from Sri Lanka, and I love your channel. With a dream of following astronautical engineering, your channel help me build more curiosity,
    People here don’t really know channels like this

  • @karlliebknecht4889
    @karlliebknecht4889 7 лет назад +25

    Not long ago we've promoted one of our publications in Spanish and ended up with a few hundred page likes from well known Spanish speaking countries such as Ghana, Benin, Guinea-Conakry and Togo.
    The comments posted by our new fans were unsurprisingly generic, off-topic and written in a Spanish dialect unknown to us, with close resemblances to West African broken English.

    • @sunshsophprd.0565
      @sunshsophprd.0565 Год назад

      kudos for you...excellent comment ...😆😆😆😆😆😆

  • @eveRide
    @eveRide 8 лет назад +65

    Awesome video. Facebook won't stop, though, because it's the "Like industrial complex", which is why they're motivated to continue freebooting, as well.

  • @kelvinnueveanimeguitar1983
    @kelvinnueveanimeguitar1983 3 года назад +1

    Now most likes come from invites which makes it even less engagement you're just asked to like something and just forget about it

  • @jean_mollycutpurse_winchester
    @jean_mollycutpurse_winchester 2 года назад

    2022 Nothing has changed.

  • @VulcanOnWheels
    @VulcanOnWheels 5 лет назад +36

    I get an error message every time I try to share this video on Facebook. I'll try it again after I've found another video I want to share.

  • @paris9332
    @paris9332 8 лет назад +209

    One like from India. Genuine one..

  • @nacheems8047
    @nacheems8047 3 года назад

    Watching this 6 years later from Bangladesh

  • @MohammadHefny_HefnySco
    @MohammadHefny_HefnySco Год назад +1

    I am from Egypt and one of your true real big fan.

  • @voscra
    @voscra 9 лет назад +176

    Hey, I live in Dhaka, and I legitmately like your page. D:

    • @voscra
      @voscra 9 лет назад +27

      Dhaka just has a lot of people, 111 MILLION PEOPLE, so obviously most of those likes could be legit!! but clickfarms are a industry here, but there are REAL People who like pages, like me.

    • @voscra
      @voscra 9 лет назад +12

      I am not a bot

    • @Ruminations09
      @Ruminations09 9 лет назад +46

      Hashtag
      #imdifferent

    • @shoalinscrap
      @shoalinscrap 9 лет назад +23

      I legitimately liked your comment

    • @Christian-wk9vx
      @Christian-wk9vx 9 лет назад

      Hashtag #Hashtag

  • @AlltimeConspiracies
    @AlltimeConspiracies 10 лет назад +82

    Fantastic video! A clear conspiracy.

  • @I_feel_inspired
    @I_feel_inspired 2 года назад

    For some months ago I had notice that I was subscried to many odd pages which I personally never been on or heard about it. I have unsubscried from all of them and then reviewed my RUclips settings to make sure this wont happen again. Now I only have 2 subscriptions which one of them is your channel. The things that many of us ignore are the settings we have on the account but I learned that lesson since then. (Y)

  • @priyanka6275
    @priyanka6275 3 года назад +1

    Such videos reinstate ny faith in youTube.. Thanks for such great piece of informaruon 👍

  • @tmaxnun2
    @tmaxnun2 7 лет назад +125

    Good work, I would think something like this should be illegal.

    • @PragmaticAntithesis
      @PragmaticAntithesis 7 лет назад +4

      But then people like me, who will occasionally go on liking sprees, would be falsely convicted. It shouldn't be illegal to ban internet behaviors like random like-spamming because that's a violation of freedom of speech.

    • @Craydy
      @Craydy 7 лет назад +10

      Your argument, that it would be "violation of freedom of speech." Is totally irrelevant. If they include a term in their conditions, that you are not allowed to go on a like-spamming spree or something like this, that they could totally ban you. No Problem with that.

    • @PragmaticAntithesis
      @PragmaticAntithesis 7 лет назад +7

      Craydy
      Yes, but he's saying "illegal", not "against the guidelines". If facebook had a guideline for that, then it would be completely valid for you to say that. However, it is a crime against humanity is a government forced facebook to add that to the guidelines (which is what "illegal" implies). Sorry if that was a bit confusing...

    • @JonatasAdoM
      @JonatasAdoM 7 лет назад +29

      Welcome to the internet.
      My father who's learning how to use a smartphone just discovered click bait videos and it infuriated him when I told him the truth.

    • @rafaelsanchezmorcillo687
      @rafaelsanchezmorcillo687 6 лет назад

      +JonatasAdoM xxx extenso

  • @QuaziJack
    @QuaziJack 7 лет назад +65

    When click farms hear this, they might evolve into comment farms. fun.

    • @18brandon92
      @18brandon92 6 лет назад +2

      Darryl S lmaoooo we’d all be fucked

    • @FirstLast-fr4hb
      @FirstLast-fr4hb 6 лет назад +1

      The sea of spam would be the death of face book. No one would be able to communicate

    • @e.priest8937
      @e.priest8937 5 лет назад

      That is inevitable. That's what AI is for

  • @oceanmermaid7581
    @oceanmermaid7581 3 года назад +2

    It's the same for joining groups, I have some friends on Facebook that join all the groups, they join my faculty group despite that they study elsewhere, join my study year group and they're not in my class, join university residence groups and they don't even live in one, and never like or comment anything there then whenever you comment something, fb shows it to them, It seriously gets me mad, it's like they're only there to spy

  • @rmcgraw7943
    @rmcgraw7943 Год назад

    Good quantitative analysis