DH-112 Venom Cartridge Start and Flyover
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- Опубликовано: 17 июл 2018
- The World Heritage Air Museum's de Havilland DH-112 Venom, the only one flying in the US, starts with a bang using the cartridge starter system! The aircraft departed for a short test flight before returning to the WHAM hangar at Oakland County International Airport in Michigan. This aircraft will join WHAM's Vampire and Gloster Meteor at EAA AirVenture 2018 in Oshkosh.
This aircraft and pilot Marty Tibbitts were lost in a fatal crash in Sheboygan, WI one week after this was filmed. RIP Marty...
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Oh, Man, both pilot and aircraft lost one week after this video.... RIP Marty, such a sad loss.
No bloody way!!!!!
@@robgoodsight6216 Sadly, it is true, see airshowstuff.com/v4/2018/pilot-killed-two-others-injured-when-rare-de-havilland-venom-crashes-on-takeoff-in-wisconsin/
@@skunkjobb Thank you!
Oh wtf :(
What a tragedy.
Condolences to his family and friends.
I wanted to write that the plane looks danger and unstable, after watching this video, and ...
Fascinating that ex RAF personnel could hear a rough running jet. Stunning 1950s concept and design, one of Hatfields finest.
I am sorry to hear that this aircraft and pilot were lost RIP. I served with the RAF for 14 years,
and I am familiar with the Venom. In this video I was listening to the aircraft engine as it was taxying , I was thinking that the engine was sounding a bit rough and uneven, I was surprised when it took off and flew when it was sounding so rough when taxying.
Centrifugal engines always sounded good, we had an unexpected Vamp visit at Cottesmore incredible sound even at idle.
thank you Marty.for showing me this beautiful plane. RIP brother
I used to work for Marty a few years back. His father, Larry, is a pilot also. Marty was an awesome guy and, a pleasure to work with. A lot of us truly miss him.
Very sorry to hear of the loss of Marty and these beautiful vintage fighter, RIP blue skies sir.
I'm sorry to hear about the loss of your pilot.
I remember the time Venoms (and Vampire-Trainers, together with Mirage 3 S/RS and the occasional F5) flew over our school (below a "training-corridor") back in the 1980s; the Venom was most impressive due to its shape and engine. (followed by the Mirage 3 with their thundering sound) Miss these old birds.
Thanks for this video - it brougth back some memorys!
Cheers from Switzerland!
This is the first time I've seen this plane after clicking around Wikipedia. It's absurdly beautiful. Cheers to the designers and engineers, and RIP to those lost. 🕊️ 🇺🇸🇬🇧
It looks like it would be a great ground attack aircraft to this day.
It looks like a P-38 and a Voodoo had a kid. Beautiful video. Sad to hear of the loss of the pilot and hull. Prayers lifted for his family.
I started to watch the video as I love the sight and sound of the Venom and was enjoying it when I saw about the loss of plane and pilot. So sad to hear of the loss. RIP Sir
My Father, twin brother and I were at Strathallan, and touched the DH balsa/ply nose of a Venon. Next to it was a DH98 Mossie recently bought by a young left handed cranker whipper snapper Yank by the the name of Kermit Weeks. The fact that the local farmer had recently ploughed the adjoining runway/field was seemingly no probs for the afore mentioned Kermit. Keep up the good work Kermit.
0:14 - That's some Dragon Ball sound effects there lol
Or a pod racer starting up
Very sorry to read about this loss. So tragic!
Rest in Peace Marty Tibbetts.
That plane lives up to it's name, sounds fearsome... thanks for posting
Beautiful plane. Absolutely classic.
I was on Duty Crew in the R.A.A.F. when I witnessed a Canberra cartridge start. It scared the **** out of me the first time I heard it.
Thank you for sharing this.
The Venom was a cool little jet ! So sad to learn of its loss with its pilot !
Yes...as the late test pilot and astronaut John Young said in the late 1990s or early 2000s (regarding the aging Space Shuttle orbiters), old aircraft can have unexpected failure modes that "can bite you in the least expected ways." I doubt if any of their designers and builders ever dreamed that B-25s, P-51s, and early jet fighters would still be flying 70+ years after they were built. Those who own and fly them, including the late and to-be-lamented-and-remembered Marty Tibbitts are, however, aware of the potential risks of flying such old aircraft, and "baby" them accordingly. I must admit to having mixed feelings about seeing them continue to fly, however:
Only so many of these aircraft, from those times, are still in existence, and--in addition to the occasional serious and fatal accidents involving them--with each hull loss there is one fewer around. It would be safer, and would preserve the original aircraft, if replicas were built and flown (even duplicate--down to the old-style wiring--replicas, such as the Messerschmitts and/or Focke-Wulfs that have been built and fly, are new aircraft, and thus are not subject to the failure modes of old age). A replica of the German Me-262 jet fighter (powered by modern CJ610 turbojets, housed in detailed duplicate Junkers 004 Jumo engine housings) has also been built and flown.
Was thinking that should be more of a thing, even more so when now motorcylce companies have really started to sell new bikes but with the old school styling. Wonder what the cost is to build a replica of any of the old fighter planes.
@@izaak1509 What makes aircraft so expensive is the high number of man hours it takes to design, test, build production lines, train workers and then actually build them.
Much of the construction is intricate. And the design, tooling development costs on replicas would be spread out across very few units.
And then there is the liability insurance issue .
Wisdom. To add, new mapping and production tech will continue to lower soft and hard costs. This history must be intelligently preserved: 1. No production deviations less for flight safety and 2. One grounded but airworthy duplicate for each operating.
Replicas?.........that is like sitting in your car one night with your girlfriend ........in your driveway........ and watching a video on your IPAD........such is progress from the drive in days to the electronic media days.
For many of us, including the rare few able to actually fly these, the bigger crime would be letting them sit idle and decrepit. They were never built to be simple showpieces. Revere them certainly, preserve one if you can, but don't decry those willing and able to fly them. Stick a replica on display if you will. Not a single person involved in the operation or maintenance of these aircraft are ignorant of the risks. They, like many, feel it is worth it. Best wishes to all.
That is a very unique startup process!!! Thanks for sharing these amazing video's with us fellow aviation enthusiasts!!
ryan moeller many ENGLISH planes did start up the same way, with a cartridge, rather Smokey though. Remember the CANBERRA, ?, it was brought to USA,,and several changes were made, for use here “known as the B57 US& AUSTRALIA used them in VIETNAM. we used them as photo recon, due to its unique rotary bomb bay..
@@flybyairplane3528 The Hunter too.
@@flybyairplane3528 It was all about being practical no gen sets to drag around when everybody was in a hurry. Very easy to set up another field and very handy for early jets as they had a reliable method of restart in the air. Imagine all the batteries you would need to carry for 5 restarts far better using that capacity for bombs or ammo. The ME262 used a little 2 stroke engine to get started great idea however not so good inflight. Zip start just like a lawnmower. If I remember correctly even the Brits Jet Bombers had a cartridge start fitted.
The Hawker Typhoon and Tempest used Koffman cartridge starters in WW2.
Was this aircraft lost forever after the crash or are some of her parts salvageable? Kinda sad given now only 3 are airworthy.
How tragic. I watched this video the day it was released and thought that it would be a cool reason to go... So sorry to the museums loss of a fellow pilot and friend...
and the C-47 Bluebonnet Bell that went down a day after this one. Thankfully in that case, all 13 on board survived, some uninjured. its been a bad year
Not jump just some minor turbulence
Well that's beyond sad. I was going to comment how nice it was to have kept the Swiss flag on it. Now both gone R.I.P
Cool looking plane!
Looks like the A-10’s exotic cousin. Looks amazing.
P-38
Looks like a p38 without the props
@@montana1636 It flies without props?!? What sorcery is this?
Its a pretty old jet
Cousin of OV 10 Bronco.
At a transportation museum, in SEINSHEIM GERMANY, and there are a DH venom, & a VAMPIRE in SWISS markings, as was the one at OSHKOSH. I was there on SEPT 11 2001, yeah that day..
RIP good sir....
Got to see this aircraft at air force museum in Kraków Poland, Impressive!
Remember rhe cartridge start up from the canberras in the 1950s.
R.i.p. marty ,thanks bud.
RIP MAD
Marty. These old planes are full of mystery and could crash at any time, sometimes supernaturally.
The Jewel of the Swiss Air Force, back in the days.
May he Rest in Peace.
:17 Oh damn. Didn’t did know they had a diesel plane. 😂
Srsly there were one or two.
I mean technically all jet airplanes are diesel. My 12 valve Cummins manual says I can run Jet-A fuel through it no problem.
@@egustafson more appropriately stated, fuel oil.
You should see a starfighter fly, they look like they are rolling coal constantly😂
@@egustafson
You can also run it on cooking oil new or filtered used. Smells like French fries.
Can’t wait to see this in a week
Repeat Offender I know. It crashed into a barn. Rip. I was really excited too
Very cool looking AC. I like that it's small, like an A-37
beautiful aircraft.
Never even heard of these. What a beauty.
Sad end for this pilot and this aircraft ....
My most sincere condolences to friends and family ....😞😭
great explanation well done
I remember first seeing one of these next to a Vampire. Damn are these jets small.
tell me what you want, that thing still looks cool beyond reason!
I live these cartridge startups...
Kind of reminds me of Jimmy Stewart starting the Phoenix with shotgun shells in the movie Flight of the Phoenix.
What a frightening sound. I remember this thing terrifying me as a kid at airshows.
sad to hear this ..RIP to the pilot
Amazing you still find those cartridges...
I wonder if, like JATO (Jet-Assisted Take-Off) bottles, starting cartridges--like gun cartridges--can be reloaded? Some piston-engined aircraft (such as the Fairchild C-82 Packet, featured in the 1966 movie [and one or two re-makes] "Flight of the Phoenix") have also used starting cartridges to crank the engine or engines (a shotgun shell-like cartridge without a slug or shot, in the case of the C-82).
Oops--I meant 1965 (for the original movie "Flight of the Phoenix," adapted from the 1964 novel by Elleston Trevor).
When I was a boy, here in Switzerland I saw all this stuff, the smaller Vampire, the Venom and finally of course the Hunter. That was used from the "Patrouille Swiss" formation.
Yes, the good old days......as a late teenager I worked on vampires in 1957 when I was at the South African Airforce Gymnasium in Lyttleton, Pretoria as a sheet metal worker.
One day a Vampire piloted by lieutenant Vestere at Zwartkops airdrome did a belly flop at take off when he lost all oil pressure and had to retract the landing gear to bring it to a quick stop......luckily he was not hurt but the plane had serious underbelly damage from skidding along on the grass runway.
Well done to WHAM and Ultimate Aviation for returning J-1747/N747J to the air.
Sadly this Vampire was destroyed in a deadly crash. Pilot didn't make it.
Enterprise206 Venom, I know, very tragic. Only a couple airworthy now.
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The initial startup must have startled the cameraman! Notice how the video shook upon the plane starting up turbine engine. Lol
Beautiful. Love a 1950's British jet ❤
Always enjoy the older jet aircraft, why, because of the sound, its always nice to see these old warriors of the sky, sadly we will never ever see a lightning fly hear, don't know if they still fly the ones in South Africa, hope they do,!!
RIP Mr Tibbitts. Love that head on footage at the end - fantastic - the heat haze and those rudders ! The landing looked a bit off or am I being too critical ?
Clear skies Marty.
Als Flugzeugmechaniker durfte ich in der RS, bei einer DH 112, 1979 in Payerne das Triebwerk starten. Hat wirklich Spass gemacht. Das Reinigen
des Starter-Systems aber weiger.
I love how his crew chief is wearing a wife beater.
Sharron Clark who beats his own wife with a dildo?
Kurdt Cocaine Bill Clinton
AFTERBURNER fair enough
That plane sounds like an old version of the future. Retro cool.
Tragic loss of a rare warbird and pilot. NTSB report states that the most likely cause of the crash was the Venom’s engine suffered a compressor stall as the Venom had taken off in the disturbed airflow of another aircraft taking off before it. The Venom pilot had taken off too soon
Wow, I only seen this plane in warthunder. It's nice to see a real one flying for a change :)
My father used to look after the engines in Vampire, Venom and Canberra Aircraft for Rolls Royce back in the 1950's when they were sold to the Venezuelan Air Force.
AEROTECH, a leading model rocket engine maker, got their start making power cartridges for tooling in the oil-drilling business.
Down-hole tools are powered pyrotechnically: the distances from drilling rig to bore-hole end make hydraulic or electrically powered tools impractical.
The cartridges burn for about 3-5 seconds, and produce a large volume of gas to run pneumatic tools like drills and wrenches.
Not saying these cartridges are AEROTECH, but the technology sure looks similar!
Did not know about applications of pyrotechnic propulsions for bore-holes. I own several Venom turbo starters and have sold such cartridges. The turbine wheel turns with up 58000min-1 and is two times reduced with planet gears to 1500min-1. It is a mechanical beauty, producing 125HP and has several other features as centrifuge revolution control, overrun protection, maximum momentum friction clutch.
The Halford/goblin jet engine🥰 great stuff👍
The Venom Has the De Haviland Ghost engine - not the Goblin.
Ok👍 I suppose I meant that the goblin was a fantastic engine and it’s derivative was shown in the video.You are correct👍
RIP
Awesome..........
thats the most badass way of starting a plane
Geez that camera almost left your hands at the beginning. Lol. Awesome.
Brilliant
What a beauty
Awesome, despite the tragedy
Holy shit now that's a start up😍😍😍
The operator was frightened by the sound of the engine starting
That venom was such an amazing sight. People always say if only the War had lasted a bit longer look what Germany would have had. Well just look at what Britain had towards/just after the end. The Vampire and Venom. The Canberra. The Centurion tank. Not forgetting nuclear weapons of course!
RIP!
Notice on start-up how the cartridge gas took three squirts to fully eject . .and take-off looked underpowered and prolonged, let alone the fluffing sound from the engine whilst taxiying . . Burner can holed or fuel feed partial blockage ? . .take a look at other venom vids.
Mes condoléances à la famille de ce pilote, c'est bien triste. En plus un avion qui venait de chez nous.
Interesting that both jets and piston engines have used cartridge starts.
Rest in honored peace, Marty
Edit; Btw I live near the point where the plane went down
I saw some rare pictures of the seconds before the crash, my theory is he frogot flaps under the stress of the upcoming air show
Wrong
Sehr tragisch und bedauerlich, mein herzliches Beileid für die Angehörigen von Marty Tibbitts. - Diese Venom da stammt wohl aus der Schweiz, vermute ich mal. Als ich jung war konnte ich diese Flugzeuge bei uns in der Schweiz immer fliegen sehen. Sogar beim Uebungs-Schiessen auf Seeziele in den Sempachersee damals war das für mich ein gewohnter Anblick. - Vielleicht sollt man jetzt diese Maschinen nicht mehr fliegen, sondern nur noch im Museum ausstellen.
👍👍👍version siguiente del vampire???
Sorta grabbed your attention!👂🏻
I was thinking that it sure didn't look very stable and then I read that both the plane and the pilot were lost in a fatal crash, so sad.
RIP Marty
cart starts are so friggen cool.
i'm sure the maintenance guys hate it, though. Those things are nasty.
R.I.P. MARTY.😟😟😟😟😟
WOW that's some engine start up i presume.
This plane was lost in a fatal crash on July 20th 2018
101Vodoo and is last venom?
No there are a few other one's. I know of three that are under rebuild to airworthy and there is two that fly in the State's plus a couple in the UK and one Downunder
I didn't realize how big those starter cartridges are... they're like 11" long and a 2-3/4" caliber.. that's one big shotgun shell!
RIP Pilot Marty Tibbitts
Here in South Africa we still have Vampires in our Airforce Museum. Can anyone tell me what the difference between the Venom and the Vampire is? Looks awfully similar.
Vampires are made of wood and resin reinforced canvas..yesyes..haha..I had the opportunity to sit in one at the flight museum in Switzerland..and the Vampires are made of metal and had 2 external fuel containers at the end of the wings and a more powerfull engine of course..
Any word on what caused the crash yet?
That startup is something straight out of an 70`s Ghibli anime.
Just damn sad...
Beautiful Plane. Being more silent would be perfect.
It sounds extremely loud. That guy will definitely damage his hearing even with ear protectors.
Gotta love the jets from the 50s and 60s
From the 40's actually
@@coliniancooke8848 hahahahah yes....from the Vampire line of crafts...
What was great about that era in aviation was that everything was advancing and they experimented with everything. Does this shape fly? What if we put this engine on it instead? That's why very few designs stayed in military service more than a couple of years before something new was introduced.
@@CharlesHuse The reason for the design was actually quite simple, the early jet engines couldn't tolerate long intakes or tail pipes, the answer in most was two wing mounted engines as in Me 262, Gloster Meteor etc. Using a single engine would result in a short stubby aircraft, Th DH family of jets got round this with the twin boom configuration, giving length and keeping the tail plane above the jet efflux. In their day both the Venom and the Vampire were remarkable aircraft, both types used in land and naval operations, the Sea versions could take off and land on RN carriers
It's a compact little jet that's for sure.
О-о, эта *этажерка* не только свистит, но и удачно взлетела? Это двигатель паровоза или тепловоза?
How cool is that? Wow. Not an easy plane to land, though.
Oh shit, just read some of the comments, RIP.
Hopefully I'll see her at Oshkosh.
Nope it crashed
Mike Baltes dang. That's awful.
Everytime I see a cartridge start I think of Jimmy Stewart,and little Harvey Kreuger (was that his name?) screaming at him.