Let us not forget that much of the weight in modern cars is safety equipment, the increased size due to pedestrian safety, and crumple zones. Emissions has to be incentivised, so that our towns and cities don't become toxic no go areas.
I heard a good suggestion regarding road fund license. My tax wasnt due until September next year but using my V5 i renewed my tax today. I got a refund of zero pounds for any remaining tax and was charged zero for adding another year. Ill do this again in March to save money. Great channel by the way, still loving my pre facelift mg5
Thanks for keep taking about both the need for more small EVs and how we encourage people to drive smaller or should that be lighter EVs. Two things I would like the Government to do is to introduce a subsidy for EVs priced below about 15K and to help establish car share schemes.
Cars, your parents drove. My dad worked Volkswagen dealership back in the day. In 1973, I was 4 years old. Dad would drive the works van ( a VW Type 2) as his company car. I can remember running up and down the back of the van while he would drive us to our destination. Health and safety 70's style 😂
I look at the average journey time and how often (and where) I recharge my car to decide what range I need, which is how I ended up with my Peugeot E-208 and a 200+mile range. Only plug it in once a week. Weekend charging at home works perfectly for me, with just the odd top up when I'm in the office. NEVER had to charge it on a public charger (although have been tempted by Tesco's chargers, charging while shopping seems beneficial even to a cheapskate like me)! I learned very early on to get charging down to a couple of percent before getting a charge - Saves a fortune!
If you are able to charge at home it is a no brainer, especially if you have access to an off peak tariff or solar or wind renewables. My preference is to keep the car topped up little and often rather than a once a week charge, but then I am paranoid. Topping up at work is also a no brainer if you are not charged for it - I wonder when HMRC will catch up with the benefit in kind. If you live in a city high rise you may not be able to do any of this, and so are exposed to public charging costs. Off peak home charging might cost £0.10kwh while rapid public charging might be £0.70kwh, a seven times difference. So where you live and can charge really counts for EVs.
@@royobanank9868 I was given a 208 as a courtesy car last year and liked it for the 30 or so miles I drove it over country roads and lanes. I really do not know enough about range to have a sensible comment but you could look at the Electrifying review and take 25-35% off the WLTP to get some sort of approximation. Another rough and ready reckoner would be to look at total mileage on the clock to see whether it is likely to have been hammered up and down motorways and fast chargers. With recent depreciation you ought to be able to pick up a low mileage example at a fair price.
I thought that the current name is VED vehicle exercise duty, road fund licience is the term my dad use back in the early 60's. I like to channel and its getting me up to speed with EVs. My current car is a mild hybred Kia Stonic which I am looking to change next summer/autumn. As I hit to big 70 at the end of the year it will probibly be my last. Don't need to worry about child buggies now but maybe mobility scooters instead so something with a bit more room in the back than the Stonic. Quick car history, 13year old Morris Mini Traveller circ 1961(£30), Austin A35 (when father gave up driving), Vauxhall Chevette, mk1 VW Golf, 2x Montego ests., Focus ests. Kia Carrens 2, 2x Kia Stonic. Cheers
I'm watching this in Farnborough with a stream of private jets coming over. I can't see a situation where billionaires have to prove they need such a huge jet (some of them are really big!). It makes worrying about having a slightly bigger car a bit irrelevant. Having said that I like small cars myself.
Road tax - USA North Carolina - I pay for my 2014 SMART ID yearly 886 USD and for my Jaguar XJ8 (5.0 liter) 165 $. NC State clearly doesn’t like to favor electric cars.
In Japan, before you buy a car, you need to secure a parking space, then you need to show that to a car dealer before you can buy one. THAT should be implemented in the UK IMO.
Weight and big (perhaps unnecessary large) batteries - you are pushed into the larger heavier ones as the smaller battery version is usually only the ‘poverty spec’ model without any of the ‘toys’ we are used to.
Talking about dads cars, first one I remember is his Ford Popular, then a straight 6 Ford Zodiac with a column shift (Z cars), then a Wolsey with over drive
Thank you Mike for your opinion of the EV9 as I'm also tall and agree with you on those points. The headrests their sister company, Hyundai, could learn a thing or two about. I agree with a 'road tax' but it needs to apply to all cars both ICE & EV and based on weight and distance traveled per year and remove the fuel taxes instead apply pollution/health tax/levy on every litre of fossil fuel sold. My understanding of MG's new warranty at least in Australia is it is now 10yrs and 250,000km.
When I was born the only vehicle my parents had was a Land Rover Series III 109 hard top. I think I was in a cot in the back, and then graduated to a front middle set in time.
I just thought I should congratulate Mike on his natty shirt and waistcoat. When the budget doesn’t quite stretch to a studio it is nice to think that he takes the effort not to turn up in his track suit top and we don’t have to watch paint samples splashed over the set.
Mike had a big snarky smile on his face when he mentioned that the investors must be hurting because the shares went down by 8% the day after the 10/10 Cybercab event. Well today is the day after the Q3 earnings report and they have gone up 20%. The only company in the world to make profitable BEV's.
Porsche, Audi and Jeep EVs currently being recalled due to explosive fire risks with manufacturing deficiencies in the battery packs. 100% certain more will follow.
Small cars are awkward to get in and out of if like me, your restricted with mobility. Mind you, the 7 series BMW we used to have, required me to fold myself in half! 😊
Thanks for another great, informative podcast. I drive an e-C4 but ned something slightly larger for my next EV. A larger boot to carry around my mobility scooter and fit the shopping in. Some more room in the cabin as well for my long legs and hopefully more extension on the steering wheel (completely agree with you on that Mike). It doesn't need to be a huge car and the range doesn't need to massive (250 miles or so) but the driving features I would like only tend to be on the top of the range, long range cars. Any thoughts?
Re the Smart #1 I really didn't like the look of them in various videos I watched when they first came out but having seen them in the metal I think they look good. I parked next to one the other day and was pleasantly surprised by it. Oddly, the opposite applied to the Volvo EX30, nice in photos and videos, not so much in the flesh.
I recently visited the local Kia showroom and they had the EV9 in that same burgundy red... OMG, what an impressive colour an quality of finish! Slightly shocked by the £75,000 price tag, but I guess that is cheap enough to worry JLR.
I heard the same thing about lifetime warranty but only in Thailand. Glad that you covered the VEL stuff again but can you confirm if the over £40,000 will apply to EV's bought in the last few years? Love your videos and still loving my Tesla Model 3 RWD you recommended to me. And dont forget, you are both wonderful as are the rest of the team!
My parents had all sorts of cars when I was younger, mostly aquired from the yellow or blue paper at the petrol station. Austin Princess Nissan Bluebird Lada Samara Mk1 gold fiesta Mk2 Cavalier Austin Maestro Volvo 340 Mk2 Polo saloon Mitsubishi Carisma Fiat Brava Rover 75 Rover 25 Meriva More recently- C3 C3 Picasso x2 Peugeot 508 C1 Dacia Sandero Mitsubishi Eclipse More cars than hot dinners!
Enjoyed KHH as ever. Thank you for the editorial ban of “city car” for small cars with small batteries. What might be interesting is a bit more discussion of use cases for day to day driving; it is not all about range. To turn to another madness, Renault’s three stalks to the right of the steering wheel not only confounds right handers, but completely screws us lefties.
The sad thing about the tesla robo taxi is it is the dest design they have done. id love a small ev coupé, with a steering wheel obviously. And 250+ mile real range.
I'm 6'2" and also find the seating position in the EV9 could be improved - not enough reach on the wheel and they could remove the leg support and have longer bolsters! On soviet car controls, would they compare the BMW i5 Tourer vs the EV9, the floorplan is almost identical, the only difference really being 24cm of height - with a lot less space in the i5 ??? Or is it all just perception.
I'm getting a little annoyed about the commentary from certain quarters trying to cut off the open conversation about larger EVs. Yes, large EV= more resources and more polluting than small EV, however, still less polluting than ICE SUVs and most resources going into both EVs and ICE vehicles can be recycled. Ideally we live in a world not requiring personal vehicles at all so the issue becomes a moot point. We don't live in the ideal world though so we should be channeling customers to whatever EV or other potentially emission free vehicle we can get them into. If the EV movement can get an ICE driver into a Hybrid, it's a win. Hybrid into PHEV = win. PHEV into EV = win. Anything to cut down emissions needs to be considered a win. The Grandland and other large SUV EVs may just be the win we need to offer someone to get them to give up their ICE vehicle.
VED should be based on Mass x Annual mileage x £rate and put a temporary EV reduction to encourage people switching. Weight is known from the manufacturer, and mileage is recorded every MOT. A 3 tonne ICE travelling 9000 a year could be 27,000 x £0.02 = £540 Whereas a 2.4 tonne EV doing 7000 would be £168 And a 1 tonne car doing 4000 miles would be £76
Yeah, the new KHH, thanks EV friends. We all love the nice retro car designs of the 60th up to 90th . . the R5, the Alpine, the Mini . . . .I wonder why 😉😇 Buying "to big" cars is probably also a bit "status"? And indeed waste of material. But . . . there are a lot of people that realy need a bigger car, like Nicola. I would never vote for restricting people to buy a bigger Car. That would open the door for restricting people to buy a bigger house or boat?. Those are also more expansive to build and to maintain. So when you can afford it and like it, go for it.
I’m an avid ‘Electrifier’ so please keep up the good work! The latest ‘Whatcar least reliable car’ results came out recently and amongst the worst are MG & Vauxhall EVs. Have you at Electrifying thought of doing your own survey of EV owners and publishing the results? Maybe you can add a reliability rating to your new car reviews and used car sales page? Peace and love! 🖖
Tesla cars were driving at very low speed on a fully mapped closed course for the demo and employees were standing nearby with kill switches. The robots were operated remotely.
I happen to agree.... Road Tax based upon weight is a far better system than the stupid Luxury Car Tax in the UK, which starts at £40,000 (which clearly isn't where real luxury cars start).
Road Tax was abolished in the 1930's. I think you mean VED.. A system based on vehicle weight would be both unfair, and unenforceable. For example, you could get someone who has a Range Rover, but may only cover 4000 miles a year in it. And on the other hand, you might get a Fiat 500 owner who covers 15'000 miles a year. A system of Road Tolls is the fairest way. Those who use the roads more often will pay more. A system based on vehicle weight will penalise low mileage motorists.
given the average price of a new car is £37,000, £40,000 seems very low for luxury tax. should be £60,000 and should also be emissions based for any price.
Mike, have hou test driven the Silence S04? I saw the prototype at the NEC Motorcycle show a few years ago and it looked fantastic. It's somewhat pricy at nearly £15k but worth a review. Interesting that Seat sold badged versions of theur electric scooter, which was no doubt intended to contribute to Seats EV quota, would make sense again.
A 50 minute half hour! It’s no use you are going to have to rename the show🤣🤣. I could get a back of golf clubs and a trolley with shoes in the boot of my MBG roadster. Small car, don’t think so. Perfectly adequate for one person. Love the car you were sat in BTW but my Kona is plenty big enough. Keep up the good work. Bernard.
Ginny, I spent half of the last 50 minutes, wondering how good the scotch guard (other upholstery care treatments are available) was in that Kia EV9, expecting your elbow to knock your coffee off the armrest☕🫣😉 at any second.
Thank you so much for this amazing video! Just a quick off-topic question: I have a SafePal wallet with USDT, and I have the seed phrase. (alarm fetch churn bridge exercise tape speak race clerk couch crater letter). How should I go about transferring them to Binance?
Agreed. And they dont get Tesla generally and so make some pretty daft comments. Eg: Tesla shares fell after Model S and Y announcements not just this one…its normal.
Parents and my first car was a Nissan Bluebird 1995, am I younger than most of your viewers? It's engine gave out while I was on the Freeway/Motorway/Highway, but just before my exit so I just exited without a working engine, the light was green and found a side street to stop in... and say goodbye.
Regarding using carbon fiber and aluminium to lighten the cars, both of those technologies actually makes the car higher production emissions. No problem, I hear people say, because you fix it with lower operating emissions. But the problem is we're not needing to lower emissions. We're needing to ELIMINATE emissions altogether. For CF, it's material creation and lack of recycleability. For aluminum, it's heat treating, though they are more recycleable than even steel, except that aluminum alloys greatly complicate recycle. Expert on LCA point to steel as the lowest emitting. No reporting yet on how good or bad the gigacasting is, except fluff paragraphs about money savings.
that is so funny, you said guess the car you were sitting in and the answer would be next week and yet you just said particulary as your sitting in an ev9 LOL when anwering Julians question
I think Tesla have perfected Stealth technology to the point that some models are invisible, Tesla Roadster anyone? Handy for not getting caught by speed cameras though.
You guys go on and on about buttons I hardly ever need to use anyway. Heated seat and wheel comes on automatically for us, otherwise its voice control and finally its on screen in the same place all the time.
Even with a lifetime warranty I wouldn't touch an MG with two shitty sticks! I had the ZS EV and it was the worst car I've ever owned (I've owned over 70) It was off the road for ten weeks within the first ten months with so many issues. After the dealer had "definitely fixed" the sunroof four times I rejected it. Total pile of shite.
Its amazing they are killig off all the things that generats the mast duty. And they are all the more fun parts of life for a lot of people, cigarettes, alcohol, and fuel. Try to not do all 3 at the same time, its not ths 70s anymore 😂 That money has the be raised some how, cos god knows, they won't get more efficient with they way they spend.
Controversial oppinion, I think the new Ami hideous. Moving the headlights up has left vast tracks of boring, flat plastic. And the new buck tooth luck is ridiculous.
Sorry Julian, but if the Vauxhall Grandland upsets you.... Maybe you should spend your time protesting outside the JLR factory? Or is only large BEVs that upset you?
This Car Road tax melarky…my name went on my EV logbook 6 years ago but DVLA have written to me already to say I will be purchasing Road Tax after April 2025… only thing I’m not sure if it’s Feb to Feb on my car , maybe next year it’s Feb to March at’t £0 then £? Afterwards… duno 😊
Cars have become too wide. First it was SUVs, now the hatchbacks are over 2m (including mirrors). Even the Renault 5 e-tech is 2.02m. I bought an MG4 and I wish it was narrower. It's less stressful to drive when there is more room to pass. Since most families are now 2 +2, 2 + 1 or 1 + 2 why are manufacturers insistent on putting 3 seats into the back?
Why do petrol heads seem to enjoy going slowly and noisily? Hyundai i20 N takes 6.2 seconds to do 0-62. An entry level Volvo EX30 will do it half a second faster and an MG4 XPower in just 3.8 seconds. I guess some people haven't grown out of the brrm brrms
Moved from my e golf to Model Y, as my kids are now taller than me, plus have to get Max the husky in the back too. Will switch to a 2 seater in a few years though 😉
Tesla Robotaxi is just joke, look at Baidu actually just putting their Apollo GO 4 seater Robotaxi on the road, no fuss around it. And will soon expand it outside of the China. Great podcast ❤❤
Just on the expensive/luxury car tax. The £40,000 list price threshold is inclusive of options, so if adding a heat pump pushes you over £40,000 you'll have to pay the £410 extra a year for 5 years. So I'm not sure what you mean about manufacturers being creative with options and packs. But do correct me if I'm wrong on this. I'd been looking at the Elroq 85 with a colour option and winter pack, but unfortunately adding the heat pump takes it over 40k. It really should be included as standard - other manufacturers manage it (like Renault) on vehicles with a much lower list price.
You would have to go to the US to do that and if you did you might believe it could happen soon. I remember a couple of months ago you (Mike) saying that the Cybertruck would never be more than a gimmick and only a few ever made. They have made more than 30,000 so far as they ramp up to a target of 250,000 a year and is now the third largest selling EV in the USA. behind two other Tesla models. You will probably be proved wrong on this as well and have announced they will launch a level 4 version of FSD in Texas and California next year.
Two people that have achieved nothing in their lives talking about the greatest industrialist of our time. Electrifying hates Elon sooooo much because they don’t like his Tweets. They ignore the massive improvements Tesla have made to the whole EV industry. They said ‘Cybercab is just a nothing’ as they can’t see what this product and the effect it will have on personal car ownership. You don’t need to own a car when you can have a chauffeured car for 20ppm.
Agreed, I have never heard either Ginny or Mike say anything positive about Tesla. Ginny, whose job it is to critique cars could only say it looked "Weird". Obviously never going to be wined and dined in posh hotels by Tesla.
Regarding a test drive, I test drove the Tesla MLR for 30 minutes & decided immediately that I wanted one. Had it now for over 2 years and love it. No regrets!!!
I still can’t understand product design? You as critics know what we want in a car and yet manufactures still get things wrong ? Cannot understand how they still get something wrong in every product, they need to employ someone grounded to tick all the boxes .
Strange reaction from Ginny in this... the whole reason you are seeing EVs in the West is because Musk showed through Tesla that you can make them at scale. She could also do with catching on the current state of FSD. Seems to me she is letting her political beliefs influence her thoughts on what Tesla are doing. A new disruption in transport is coming and she is going to completely miss it until it jumps out in your face.
Agree with Julian, about huge cars. Your generation (Nikola excepted) all grew up with small cars. It was in some ways a limiting factor, reminding us, we needed to have 2 children max and the stuff we could fit in the trunk is how we could holiday. It's very very wrong to assume in a world that is literally crashing, that we reframe the argument that SUVs are needed by families. Ginny, you've just returned from France, the land of the tiny car. Folks, we need to challenge everyone's right to choose what they want to choose. This is a much bigger philosophical question, but it's clear that almost to the last one, EV car reviewers don't truly understand the impact of cars and their unsustainability even in EV form.
So everyone needs to live in the same size house? Have the same size car,? Have the same size kitchen, garden, shower,? Will it be forbidden to ride a motorcycle to, coarse there are people that can do without? Where does that end?
@@BMWHP2 during wartime, rationing and shared sacrifice are the norm. You drop all pretences that you have the privilege to do as you please. Instead, you planted a home garden to help feed yourself, counted yourself lucky if you had a bicycle for mobility and you got stuck in trying to participate in the combined effort. Decarbonizing our global society, particularly in spoiled "developed" nations will be the most difficult challenge human civilization has ever faced, and so far, we've not even made a mark on reducing global emissions. This is your wakeup call. We need radical, life altering change, and 3 row SUVs are completely incompatible with full decarbonization. BTW, I never said motorcycles won't work, but if you study the EV motorcycle space carefully, their high speed efficiency is poor. So perhaps 25-35 mph e-bikes are massively more sustainable than Energica EV motorcycles that just went under.
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Let us not forget that much of the weight in modern cars is safety equipment, the increased size due to pedestrian safety, and crumple zones. Emissions has to be incentivised, so that our towns and cities don't become toxic no go areas.
Bring on the Kei cars
I heard a good suggestion regarding road fund license. My tax wasnt due until September next year but using my V5 i renewed my tax today. I got a refund of zero pounds for any remaining tax and was charged zero for adding another year. Ill do this again in March to save money. Great channel by the way, still loving my pre facelift mg5
Thanks for keep taking about both the need for more small EVs and how we encourage people to drive smaller or should that be lighter EVs.
Two things I would like the Government to do is to introduce a subsidy for EVs priced below about 15K and to help establish car share schemes.
Cars, your parents drove. My dad worked Volkswagen dealership back in the day.
In 1973, I was 4 years old. Dad would drive the works van ( a VW Type 2) as his company car. I can remember running up and down the back of the van while he would drive us to our destination. Health and safety 70's style 😂
I look at the average journey time and how often (and where) I recharge my car to decide what range I need, which is how I ended up with my Peugeot E-208 and a 200+mile range. Only plug it in once a week. Weekend charging at home works perfectly for me, with just the odd top up when I'm in the office. NEVER had to charge it on a public charger (although have been tempted by Tesco's chargers, charging while shopping seems beneficial even to a cheapskate like me)! I learned very early on to get charging down to a couple of percent before getting a charge - Saves a fortune!
If you are able to charge at home it is a no brainer, especially if you have access to an off peak tariff or solar or wind renewables. My preference is to keep the car topped up little and often rather than a once a week charge, but then I am paranoid. Topping up at work is also a no brainer if you are not charged for it - I wonder when HMRC will catch up with the benefit in kind. If you live in a city high rise you may not be able to do any of this, and so are exposed to public charging costs. Off peak home charging might cost £0.10kwh while rapid public charging might be £0.70kwh, a seven times difference. So where you live and can charge really counts for EVs.
Thinking of getting a E208, what is your real world range, it's a used one so I guess it's how the car has been used IE fast charging etc
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I was given a 208 as a courtesy car last year and liked it for the 30 or so miles I drove it over country roads and lanes. I really do not know enough about range to have a sensible comment but you could look at the Electrifying review and take 25-35% off the WLTP to get some sort of approximation. Another rough and ready reckoner would be to look at total mileage on the clock to see whether it is likely to have been hammered up and down motorways and fast chargers. With recent depreciation you ought to be able to pick up a low mileage example at a fair price.
@@PaulMeier-cu3ds thanks for your comments
My only comment is that I'm thankful for the content you offer. Great insight paired with experience make it for a great show. 👏👏👏👏👏👏
I thought that the current name is VED vehicle exercise duty, road fund licience is the term my dad use back in the early 60's. I like to channel and its getting me up to speed with EVs. My current car is a mild hybred Kia Stonic which I am looking to change next summer/autumn. As I hit to big 70 at the end of the year it will probibly be my last. Don't need to worry about child buggies now but maybe mobility scooters instead so something with a bit more room in the back than the Stonic. Quick car history, 13year old Morris Mini Traveller circ 1961(£30), Austin A35 (when father gave up driving), Vauxhall Chevette, mk1 VW Golf, 2x Montego ests., Focus ests. Kia Carrens 2, 2x Kia Stonic. Cheers
I'm watching this in Farnborough with a stream of private jets coming over. I can't see a situation where billionaires have to prove they need such a huge jet (some of them are really big!). It makes worrying about having a slightly bigger car a bit irrelevant. Having said that I like small cars myself.
Road tax - USA North Carolina - I pay for my 2014 SMART ID yearly 886 USD and for my Jaguar XJ8 (5.0 liter) 165 $. NC State clearly doesn’t like to favor electric cars.
Ford Cortina in Brown 😂 was a classic from my dad's car history. He sold it for a greyish Austin Maestro. Nuff said!!
In Japan, before you buy a car, you need to secure a parking space, then you need to show that to a car dealer before you can buy one. THAT should be implemented in the UK IMO.
Weight and big (perhaps unnecessary large) batteries - you are pushed into the larger heavier ones as the smaller battery version is usually only the ‘poverty spec’ model without any of the ‘toys’ we are used to.
Talking about dads cars, first one I remember is his Ford Popular, then a straight 6 Ford Zodiac with a column shift (Z cars), then a Wolsey with over drive
Thank you Mike for your opinion of the EV9 as I'm also tall and agree with you on those points. The headrests their sister company, Hyundai, could learn a thing or two about. I agree with a 'road tax' but it needs to apply to all cars both ICE & EV and based on weight and distance traveled per year and remove the fuel taxes instead apply pollution/health tax/levy on every litre of fossil fuel sold. My understanding of MG's new warranty at least in Australia is it is now 10yrs and 250,000km.
When I was born the only vehicle my parents had was a Land Rover Series III 109 hard top. I think I was in a cot in the back, and then graduated to a front middle set in time.
I just thought I should congratulate Mike on his natty shirt and waistcoat. When the budget doesn’t quite stretch to a studio it is nice to think that he takes the effort not to turn up in his track suit top and we don’t have to watch paint samples splashed over the set.
Mike had a big snarky smile on his face when he mentioned that the investors must be hurting because the shares went down by 8% the day after the 10/10 Cybercab event. Well today is the day after the Q3 earnings report and they have gone up 20%. The only company in the world to make profitable BEV's.
Porsche, Audi and Jeep EVs currently being recalled due to explosive fire risks with manufacturing deficiencies in the battery packs. 100% certain more will follow.
Small cars are awkward to get in and out of if like me, your restricted with mobility. Mind you, the 7 series BMW we used to have, required me to fold myself in half! 😊
Option packs are definitely included in the list price for the Additional Rate of Vehicle Excise Duty (not Road Fund Licence).
Thanks for another great, informative podcast. I drive an e-C4 but ned something slightly larger for my next EV. A larger boot to carry around my mobility scooter and fit the shopping in. Some more room in the cabin as well for my long legs and hopefully more extension on the steering wheel (completely agree with you on that Mike). It doesn't need to be a huge car and the range doesn't need to massive (250 miles or so) but the driving features I would like only tend to be on the top of the range, long range cars. Any thoughts?
Re the Smart #1 I really didn't like the look of them in various videos I watched when they first came out but having seen them in the metal I think they look good. I parked next to one the other day and was pleasantly surprised by it.
Oddly, the opposite applied to the Volvo EX30, nice in photos and videos, not so much in the flesh.
Actually A290 is the one I'm now waiting to see if it's worth the wait ❤. Can't wait for your review of it
Thank you thought the R Pass wouldn't be worth it but thought I would get your thoughts.
FIFTY MINUTES?! 😮
Let’s just have the “Kilowatt Hour” and be done with it… 🤣
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I recently visited the local Kia showroom and they had the EV9 in that same burgundy red... OMG, what an impressive colour an quality of finish! Slightly shocked by the £75,000 price tag, but I guess that is cheap enough to worry JLR.
Some Range Rovers are well over £100k, so I'm not sure why £75k was a shock......
£75k for a Kia is a complete joke. Doesn't matter how good it is. Next they'll be asking £50k for a Dacia 😂😂
@@use-oc4mj6n They are already asking £55,000 for an MG!
@@use-oc4mj6n you obvs don't realise the quality increase of kia
I heard the same thing about lifetime warranty but only in Thailand. Glad that you covered the VEL stuff again but can you confirm if the over £40,000 will apply to EV's bought in the last few years?
Love your videos and still loving my Tesla Model 3 RWD you recommended to me. And dont forget, you are both wonderful as are the rest of the team!
I could tell it was the EV9 from the off, the triangular rear quarter window is a dead giveaway! 😂
My parents had all sorts of cars when I was younger, mostly aquired from the yellow or blue paper at the petrol station.
Austin Princess
Nissan Bluebird
Lada Samara
Mk1 gold fiesta
Mk2 Cavalier
Austin Maestro
Volvo 340
Mk2 Polo saloon
Mitsubishi Carisma
Fiat Brava
Rover 75
Rover 25
Meriva
More recently-
C3
C3 Picasso x2
Peugeot 508
C1
Dacia Sandero
Mitsubishi Eclipse
More cars than hot dinners!
Enjoyed KHH as ever. Thank you for the editorial ban of “city car” for small cars with small batteries. What might be interesting is a bit more discussion of use cases for day to day driving; it is not all about range. To turn to another madness, Renault’s three stalks to the right of the steering wheel not only confounds right handers, but completely screws us lefties.
The sad thing about the tesla robo taxi is it is the dest design they have done. id love a small ev coupé, with a steering wheel obviously. And 250+ mile real range.
I'm 6'2" and also find the seating position in the EV9 could be improved - not enough reach on the wheel and they could remove the leg support and have longer bolsters! On soviet car controls, would they compare the BMW i5 Tourer vs the EV9, the floorplan is almost identical, the only difference really being 24cm of height - with a lot less space in the i5 ??? Or is it all just perception.
I'm getting a little annoyed about the commentary from certain quarters trying to cut off the open conversation about larger EVs. Yes, large EV= more resources and more polluting than small EV, however, still less polluting than ICE SUVs and most resources going into both EVs and ICE vehicles can be recycled.
Ideally we live in a world not requiring personal vehicles at all so the issue becomes a moot point. We don't live in the ideal world though so we should be channeling customers to whatever EV or other potentially emission free vehicle we can get them into.
If the EV movement can get an ICE driver into a Hybrid, it's a win. Hybrid into PHEV = win. PHEV into EV = win. Anything to cut down emissions needs to be considered a win.
The Grandland and other large SUV EVs may just be the win we need to offer someone to get them to give up their ICE vehicle.
VED should be based on Mass x Annual mileage x £rate and put a temporary EV reduction to encourage people switching. Weight is known from the manufacturer, and mileage is recorded every MOT.
A 3 tonne ICE travelling 9000 a year could be 27,000 x £0.02 = £540
Whereas a 2.4 tonne EV doing 7000 would be £168
And a 1 tonne car doing 4000 miles would be £76
State Farm insurance banning all charging at their premises due to fire risks.
Yeah, the new KHH, thanks EV friends.
We all love the nice retro car designs of the 60th up to 90th . . the R5, the Alpine, the Mini . . . .I wonder why 😉😇
Buying "to big" cars is probably also a bit "status"? And indeed waste of material.
But . . . there are a lot of people that realy need a bigger car, like Nicola.
I would never vote for restricting people to buy a bigger Car.
That would open the door for restricting people to buy a bigger house or boat?.
Those are also more expansive to build and to maintain. So when you can afford it and like it, go for it.
I’m an avid ‘Electrifier’ so please keep up the good work! The latest ‘Whatcar least reliable car’ results came out recently and amongst the worst are MG & Vauxhall EVs. Have you at Electrifying thought of doing your own survey of EV owners and publishing the results? Maybe you can add a reliability rating to your new car reviews and used car sales page? Peace and love! 🖖
had my MG4 for 2.4 years and not a single issue with it
@@specialcircs fantastic, that’s how it should be with all new cars!
It was cruise robo taxi from GM that was being supervised from remote operators. Not Tesla.
Tesla cars were driving at very low speed on a fully mapped closed course for the demo and employees were standing nearby with kill switches. The robots were operated remotely.
@@jamespaul2587 inaccurate
@@markbloxham1313 prove it
Thank you.
What if you don't have a private driveway? Am i permanently wedded to 84p kwh public charging which costs more than petrol?
I happen to agree.... Road Tax based upon weight is a far better system than the stupid Luxury Car Tax in the UK, which starts at £40,000 (which clearly isn't where real luxury cars start).
Hmm so buy a Porsche and save? Doesn’t quite work on carbon fibre hyper cars
@@rogerfinch7651 That isn't what they were saying..... Why does there always have to be some obtuse smart arse?
Road Tax was abolished in the 1930's. I think you mean VED.. A system based on vehicle weight would be both unfair, and unenforceable. For example, you could get someone who has a Range Rover, but may only cover 4000 miles a year in it. And on the other hand, you might get a Fiat 500 owner who covers 15'000 miles a year. A system of Road Tolls is the fairest way. Those who use the roads more often will pay more. A system based on vehicle weight will penalise low mileage motorists.
It will always be Road Tax for us more senior citizens 😂@@Brian-om2hh
given the average price of a new car is £37,000, £40,000 seems very low for luxury tax. should be £60,000 and should also be emissions based for any price.
Clicked on this and was instantly worried that I'd accidentally selected a dogging video, again! 🙂 Fortunately not, just great EV content!
Mike, have hou test driven the Silence S04? I saw the prototype at the NEC Motorcycle show a few years ago and it looked fantastic. It's somewhat pricy at nearly £15k but worth a review. Interesting that Seat sold badged versions of theur electric scooter, which was no doubt intended to contribute to Seats EV quota, would make sense again.
A 50 minute half hour! It’s no use you are going to have to rename the show🤣🤣.
I could get a back of golf clubs and a trolley with shoes in the boot of my MBG roadster. Small car, don’t think so. Perfectly adequate for one person. Love the car you were sat in BTW but my Kona is plenty big enough. Keep up the good work.
Bernard.
Ginny, I spent half of the last 50 minutes, wondering how good the scotch guard (other upholstery care treatments are available) was in that Kia EV9, expecting your elbow to knock your coffee off the armrest☕🫣😉 at any second.
Thank you so much for this amazing video! Just a quick off-topic question: I have a SafePal wallet with USDT, and I have the seed phrase. (alarm fetch churn bridge exercise tape speak race clerk couch crater letter). How should I go about transferring them to Binance?
Medical emergency delayed the robotaxi event, that’s why it was rushed
Agreed.
And they dont get Tesla generally and so make some pretty daft comments. Eg: Tesla shares fell after Model S and Y announcements not just this one…its normal.
@ObiePaddles every time Tesla breaks a sales or profit record, the stock falls
The "emergency" was coincidental with the delay of the event, it was rushed because they didn't want to give details or specs on the products
@@jamesengland7461 as a shareholder I ignore what happens post events / stock market updates.
Brilliant = goes down, bad = goes down.
Parents and my first car was a Nissan Bluebird 1995, am I younger than most of your viewers? It's engine gave out while I was on the Freeway/Motorway/Highway, but just before my exit so I just exited without a working engine, the light was green and found a side street to stop in... and say goodbye.
Regarding using carbon fiber and aluminium to lighten the cars, both of those technologies actually makes the car higher production emissions. No problem, I hear people say, because you fix it with lower operating emissions. But the problem is we're not needing to lower emissions. We're needing to ELIMINATE emissions altogether. For CF, it's material creation and lack of recycleability. For aluminum, it's heat treating, though they are more recycleable than even steel, except that aluminum alloys greatly complicate recycle. Expert on LCA point to steel as the lowest emitting. No reporting yet on how good or bad the gigacasting is, except fluff paragraphs about money savings.
I am guessing you’re in an EV9. As Ginny said you were, I presume I am correct. Interesting video as usual. 🤣
If they want lighter cars they gotta go Gigacasting just like Tesla - simples :) - reference RFL that may change in the forthcoming Budget?
You are in a rivian r1s??
that is so funny, you said guess the car you were sitting in and the answer would be next week and yet you just said particulary as your sitting in an ev9 LOL when anwering Julians question
I think Tesla have perfected Stealth technology to the point that some models are invisible, Tesla Roadster anyone? Handy for not getting caught by speed cameras though.
Ev9
Times must be hard ginny if you lot are doing a review in a car lol
California state government required all Tesla RoboTaxis and TeslaBots to be “tethered” around non Tesla employees (i.e. journalists)
You guys go on and on about buttons I hardly ever need to use anyway.
Heated seat and wheel comes on automatically for us, otherwise its voice control and finally its on screen in the same place all the time.
Renault 4 for your office?
Even with a lifetime warranty I wouldn't touch an MG with two shitty sticks!
I had the ZS EV and it was the worst car I've ever owned (I've owned over 70)
It was off the road for ten weeks within the first ten months with so many issues. After the dealer had "definitely fixed" the sunroof four times I rejected it. Total pile of shite.
Its amazing they are killig off all the things that generats the mast duty. And they are all the more fun parts of life for a lot of people, cigarettes, alcohol, and fuel. Try to not do all 3 at the same time, its not ths 70s anymore 😂
That money has the be raised some how, cos god knows, they won't get more efficient with they way they spend.
Controversial oppinion, I think the new Ami hideous. Moving the headlights up has left vast tracks of boring, flat plastic. And the new buck tooth luck is ridiculous.
Is it just me but does Mike look a bit like he should be Ginny’s dad sitting in an EV9 what with him being 6’5” and Ginny 5’4”?😂
If you can't call the podcast "The Kilawatt Hour". Perhaps you should consider "60 Minutes".
Hour late due to someone having a medical issue. Very harsh to call him out on that!
Yup as always they don’t always research well
It was coincidental, the event would have been late anyway.
@@jamespaul2587 thank for your opinion. Shame it’ll never be proven…
Sorry Julian, but if the Vauxhall Grandland upsets you.... Maybe you should spend your time protesting outside the JLR factory? Or is only large BEVs that upset you?
This Car Road tax melarky…my name went on my EV logbook 6 years ago but DVLA have written to me already to say I will be purchasing Road Tax after April 2025… only thing I’m not sure if it’s Feb to Feb on my car , maybe next year it’s Feb to March at’t £0 then £? Afterwards… duno 😊
100% agree on model 2,
Musk is no steve jobs he seems to be doing what he wants, not a blend of what people need.
Cars have become too wide. First it was SUVs, now the hatchbacks are over 2m (including mirrors). Even the Renault 5 e-tech is 2.02m. I bought an MG4 and I wish it was narrower. It's less stressful to drive when there is more room to pass. Since most families are now 2 +2, 2 + 1 or 1 + 2 why are manufacturers insistent on putting 3 seats into the back?
Why do petrol heads seem to enjoy going slowly and noisily? Hyundai i20 N takes 6.2 seconds to do 0-62. An entry level Volvo EX30 will do it half a second faster and an MG4 XPower in just 3.8 seconds. I guess some people haven't grown out of the brrm brrms
Moved from my e golf to Model Y, as my kids are now taller than me, plus have to get Max the husky in the back too. Will switch to a 2 seater in a few years though 😉
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Tesla Robotaxi is just joke, look at Baidu actually just putting their Apollo GO 4 seater Robotaxi on the road, no fuss around it. And will soon expand it outside of the China.
Great podcast ❤❤
Just on the expensive/luxury car tax. The £40,000 list price threshold is inclusive of options, so if adding a heat pump pushes you over £40,000 you'll have to pay the £410 extra a year for 5 years. So I'm not sure what you mean about manufacturers being creative with options and packs. But do correct me if I'm wrong on this.
I'd been looking at the Elroq 85 with a colour option and winter pack, but unfortunately adding the heat pump takes it over 40k. It really should be included as standard - other manufacturers manage it (like Renault) on vehicles with a much lower list price.
LOVE or HATE TESLA BUT WITHOUT TESLA there Would be NO ELECTRIFYING ?
You Should TEST DRIVE a Tesla with FSD FULL SELF DRIVING
You would have to go to the US to do that and if you did you might believe it could happen soon. I remember a couple of months ago you (Mike) saying that the Cybertruck would never be more than a gimmick and only a few ever made. They have made more than 30,000 so far as they ramp up to a target of 250,000 a year and is now the third largest selling EV in the USA. behind two other Tesla models. You will probably be proved wrong on this as well and have announced they will launch a level 4 version of FSD in Texas and California next year.
Two people that have achieved nothing in their lives talking about the greatest industrialist of our time.
Electrifying hates Elon sooooo much because they don’t like his Tweets. They ignore the massive improvements Tesla have made to the whole EV industry.
They said ‘Cybercab is just a nothing’ as they can’t see what this product and the effect it will have on personal car ownership. You don’t need to own a car when you can have a chauffeured car for 20ppm.
You've slumped into a gossip column in the segment about the Tesla event, knowingly spouting innuendo and gossip and unconfirmed information.
Innuendo?
Agreed, I have never heard either Ginny or Mike say anything positive about Tesla. Ginny, whose job it is to critique cars could only say it looked "Weird". Obviously never going to be wined and dined in posh hotels by Tesla.
@Electrifyingcom yes. Implying things without saying them directly. Come on now. You can do better, and normally do.
Regarding a test drive, I test drove the Tesla MLR for 30 minutes & decided immediately that I wanted one. Had it now for over 2 years and love it. No regrets!!!
I still can’t understand product design? You as critics know what we want in a car and yet manufactures still get things wrong ? Cannot understand how they still get something wrong in every product, they need to employ someone grounded to tick all the boxes .
Strange reaction from Ginny in this... the whole reason you are seeing EVs in the West is because Musk showed through Tesla that you can make them at scale. She could also do with catching on the current state of FSD. Seems to me she is letting her political beliefs influence her thoughts on what Tesla are doing. A new disruption in transport is coming and she is going to completely miss it until it jumps out in your face.
Prove you need a larger car? Take that mess to North Korea.
Agree with Julian, about huge cars. Your generation (Nikola excepted) all grew up with small cars. It was in some ways a limiting factor, reminding us, we needed to have 2 children max and the stuff we could fit in the trunk is how we could holiday. It's very very wrong to assume in a world that is literally crashing, that we reframe the argument that SUVs are needed by families. Ginny, you've just returned from France, the land of the tiny car.
Folks, we need to challenge everyone's right to choose what they want to choose. This is a much bigger philosophical question, but it's clear that almost to the last one, EV car reviewers don't truly understand the impact of cars and their unsustainability even in EV form.
So everyone needs to live in the same size house? Have the same size car,? Have the same size kitchen, garden, shower,?
Will it be forbidden to ride a motorcycle to, coarse there are people that can do without? Where does that end?
@@BMWHP2 during wartime, rationing and shared sacrifice are the norm. You drop all pretences that you have the privilege to do as you please. Instead, you planted a home garden to help feed yourself, counted yourself lucky if you had a bicycle for mobility and you got stuck in trying to participate in the combined effort. Decarbonizing our global society, particularly in spoiled "developed" nations will be the most difficult challenge human civilization has ever faced, and so far, we've not even made a mark on reducing global emissions. This is your wakeup call. We need radical, life altering change, and 3 row SUVs are completely incompatible with full decarbonization. BTW, I never said motorcycles won't work, but if you study the EV motorcycle space carefully, their high speed efficiency is poor. So perhaps 25-35 mph e-bikes are massively more sustainable than Energica EV motorcycles that just went under.