as someone who’s been a fan of pedro pascal for a while before he was this big, it really makes me feel bad for him. like i definitely think he is super attractive and i love him as an actor but people and media need to stop so openly objectifying him. like people forget he’s a real human being.
I feel the same way! I was initially excited that everyone else was realizing how talented he is, but the way folks are acting is getting really uncomfortable.
Same here, I was in love with Oberyn from the books. So when Pedro played him in GoT, I just fell in love with his characterization of Oberyn and had a feeling I would see him in bigger projects. But, I find it so weird with all of these videos. I think the SNL sketch that he did about how weird and creepy fan cams really are showed that he's aware of them. The sketch acknowledged that mainly young people are the ones posting the fan cams, and it's gross to do it to an grown man when you're a kid. You can show love for an actor by just supporting their work and future projects.
Interesting that we are saying that about a male actor, but we have been treating female actors like this for a century, and no one cared. It’s almost like there is a double standard for men and women…
@@taylorgayhart9497 i completely agree female actors r treated like their objects way more than male actors. but the video was about pedro pascal so i’m just talking about him
i agree, most fangirling is done is such a way that the celebrity might never see it. but when ur a journalist or constantly mentioning them on twitter, it forces the celebrity to interact with it. robs them of the choice to play into it or not
@@morganburt2565I think it’s also worth considering that the big (and traditional) media outlets look to trends on TikTok to inform how they interview celebrities. It’s become pervasive as media research sourcing (and has likewise had a huge impact on how the music industry conducts itself and sets priorities for artists). The two are connected.
@@morganburt2565 I would be MORTIFIED if any of the objects of my fangirling found out. Certainly if some “reporter” shared those thoughts with the person I stan.
Both in how offensiv it is and often tone though not always, with Pedro pascal a lot of it is "he looks like he gives good hugs" it's a lot idealising him as a person instead of degrading him to an sexobject which makes a massiv difference to me
I hate that we've normalized s*xual harassment just because they're celebrities, and they work with the public. Imagine if you mailed a Starbucks barista that you have a crush on your explicit, kinky self-insert fanfiction between you and them, and the next day you go to the Starbucks they work at and ask invasive questions about whether they read it or not, and what they thought about it in front of their coworkers while they're making your latte.
Sadly, i've seen horrible harassment in comments of just average moderately popular people, who aren't even in "celebrity" status. Like i know no one should harass anyone, but the fact that people are basically thinking that it's normal to do that to a "barista" is next lvl. No an ounce of empathy
Yeah except that celebs are not baristas and they are not at arms length or really threatened by your thirst tweets. The 2nd difference is that thirst tweets are performative. Meaning its not even directed towards the celebrity but rather a form of attention seeking and validation from other people on the internet. Im not condoning it, just saying that the scenarios are not comparable. Lastly there always exists a toxic extreme in fandom with stalkers and what not and thirst tweets are dar from that. Personally i have never done it nor will i ever do it for anybody, no matter how removed from my reality they are
As a Starbucks barista, I'd like to mention that I've had people try to pay me for sex at the drive-thru window, I've received obsessive love letters, and my experience isn't even that rare among baristas. I wear a fake wedding band now and it helps a bit.
@@izy6088 yeah when I met my husband he was like “why do you keep an engagement ring in your car?” And when I said “oh I wear that when I go to bars without a guy, that way creepy dudes don’t hit on me.” He was APPALLED. It’s sad that it’s so normalized for women, but when it happens to men people are SHOCKED.
In his Hot Ones interview, he literally said "Finally, a serious interview" or something in the like. I'm sure he's tired of this corny shows always bringing up daddy memes.
Adam Ellis, the illustrator of the "let people enjoy things" comic, drew a comic where he executed it because he hated how it had been misappropriated for bad faith arguments.
@@Orozus every time I've seen someone claim this it's turned out to either be the other person that has stolen from Adam, or just Adam remaking an old drawing that he did years ago. But I'll definitely stick around and listen, I just find it hard to believe.
Yeah and also like its okay to say you're attractive or I think you're hot to someone cos mostly thats a compliment but keep the ew nasty thoughts to yourself 😭
also some things should just be kept private. we cant help who we find hot, amd actors are unattainable people who we assume we will never interact with. but with social media, they actually might see what we say - so maybe we should just keep it to ourselves
I hate how interviewers have completely ignored an extremely interesting part of Pedro. How passionate he is about his work. When he was asked about his single episode on buffy following a post from Sarah Michelle Gellar. He was so excited to talk about his experience on the show. He spoke with more enthusiasm and detail about a small part of single episode he shot over 20 years ago than some actors do for projects they’re specifically there to promote. that guy is interviewer gold and they are WASTING his charisma. i think the most important thing with this whole daddy joke is that the joke is on Pedro’s terms. Like him going live to “make sure” the internet knows and things like that are on his terms and he seems to enjoy it. The main issue I have with these specific interviews is that they are very clearly not on his terms. The interviewers spring the topic out of nowhere, seemingly intentionally trying to throw him off so they get a viral moment. It stops the joke from being his, but instead a joke the interviewers play ON him. And that’s not okay.
I think an example of GOOD interviewing was the hot ones episode. Correct if I'm wrong, but I don't think he asked him a single question objectifying him. He asked very insightful questions about Pedro's career. It was very refreshing
@@leahrose-yt Sean Evans is the best when it comes to interviewing. He always asks introspective questions and actually does a lot of research on the person beforehand.
YES!!! also he’s so incredibly intelligent and genuine?! like I wish we got more of that side in media. He did reddit AMA a few years ago and it is so refreshing to see someone so passionate, with emotional intelligence, and just caring and kind?! They’re missing golden material and opportunities :( His recent Hot Wings interview asked some great questions so I hope we go more in that direction
I love Pedro Pascal, he's so fun and nice but it makes me uncomfortable the amount of sexualization. I didn't realize how bad it was because thankfully I'm on the right side of the internet but damn
I'm ace as fuck but he just seems so nice and cool, so naturally I love to watch his stuff. I knew people were like into him sexually but not like crazy, ya know?
im ace, have a huge crush on the guy, but jeez people need to CHILL! he's an incredibly talented actor and kind person, too! Yes, he's attractive but we really do need to take it down a notch. Boundaries are SO important.
@@Tiny_Koi me too! I'm an asexual lesbian (I think, LMAO shit is confusing) and I love him to bits because he's so fun but the sexualization is really shitty
The objectification of people in the public eye is always something that disturbed me even as a teen, especially in fandom. Whether it was the gross amount of shipping culture found in the MCR tumblr fandom of the 2010's, all the stuff around Dan Howell and Phil Lester about their sexuality for over a decade or even the fact Jon Risinger had to consider fanfiction in his divorce proceedings. It's a gross dehumanisation of people because of the perception of otherness due to a person's notoriety, when really all they are is just people.
@@corinariginals the Jon risinger story came up in either a podcast or a stream, it was a long time since I saw. The Dan Howell/Phil Lester stuff is...Still happening now. I have no idea about the MCR stuff but having been on tumblr at the time it is not surprising Edit: basically the Jon risingsr story is his wife's lawyers were bringing up fanfiction people wrote about him and one of his coworkers, under the logic of "this must mean he is genuinely being unfaithful" because they were people with no idea how awful the Internet is
Ugh you nailed it. He’s a handsome dude and very charismatic, but he’s such a thoughtful and intelligent man, let him answer serious questions about his projects! He has a lot of wonderful things to say!
his hot ones interview was so enlightening, top tier questions that actually showed so much respect for his entire career starting before he even got close to fame. but that's nothing new, the hot ones team knock every interview outta the park with respectful and well-researched questions, the person being interviewed is always impressed... if only more media outlets took note!!
All this situation is so sad especially as a chilean, the whole country is really proud of him because of his success internationally and him being so proud of his roots (also he is very active on our politics and was really vocal on voting for a new constitution back in 2020)
My aunt loves to tell a story where she ran into one of her favorite musicians while shopping and she was lowkey freaking out. After the 100th time she told us the story, I finally asked if she got anything signed and she said no. I was shocked, if you love this guy so much, why wouldn’t you say hi and/or ask for an autograph? She looked me dead in the eye and said he was shopping. Why would I bother him when he was trying to live his life? And I think about that often and hope that if I ever run into anyone famous, I’ll have as much class and respect to react in the same way. Loosely connected, I know. But I feel like it connects well with the whole “he’s a real person” sentiment.
@@jpc2470 honestly, something tells me that I would be too lmao I don't think that my aunt would ask for an autograph tbh. she's not super sentimental. But I thought she'd say she's a fan. Music is a big deal in our family
So I work at a Starbucks, in Philly, near the university Noah schnapps goes to. He came into my Starbucks one day and a couple baristas wanted to go get a photo or talk to him and I kept discouraging it, saying “he’s just here to get stuff and go to school we should leave him alone”
@Personal Jesus lmao I get it. I have a little known fave musician that I see yearly. Every time I see her I ask her to sign my music book of hers that I got the first time I saw her. More of a reminder than anything. But for other people, I didn’t get the appeal either I just know that’s how you’re expected to behave or want when meeting a celebrity
I saw a tweet that said something to the effect of how online culture treats fictional characters as real people and real people (celebrities) as fictional characters which I found really interesting. People seem to forget that Pedro Pascal is a real person who is really effected by this. Too often fandom will replace the real person's identity with one that they prefer while at the same time write a bad take think piece on the actions of the fictional character that the person plays as if those actions were done by a real person.
I wonder if that's got to do with mystique, celebrities often try not to show their whole personality in public so seem more distant and less rounded than the people they play
Sigh, don't let me get started. As someone who dwell on NSFW side of Twitter art, you can find this niche of artists who likes Spiderman smut, understandable, but then it repeats and then it's obvious you just want to trace drawing Tom Holland getting done multiple ways. If this were the Hadrian Times, there will be millions of Tom Holland statue and temples. Same can be said to other (especially big franchise) medias.
I don’t understand people doing that to real people, it’s really odd to me. Like don’t get me wrong I think that Pedro Pascal is ridiculously hot. But he’s a real person. I know nothing about him. Inside thoughts need to STAY inside thoughts. I also feel the same way about people bombarding celebrities for an autograph when they’re just going about their day and then getting offended when they say no. You’re not entitled to ANYTHING from these people. They’re PEOPLE.
One main thing I’ve noticed over the last few years, especially with people having less shame about posting their fan edits and horny thoughts, is that because it’s so mainstream different media outlets are forcing these celebrities to confront and publicly react to it. Ten years ago people would make whole tumblr blogs dedicated to Tom Hiddleston and Chris Evans but it was more fringe; an interviewer might make a joke about it but for the most part it stayed in its own corner online. Now there are thirst tweets and TikToks EVERYWHERE, and I don’t blame the celebrities who get uncomfortable when shoved a phone in their face and told “what do you think about this?????” while on camera. It definitely wasn’t ok back in 2013, but the more we’re all online the more these ugly parts bleed through the cracks into the mainstream.
totally. Fan spaces should be for fans, not the media. They don't understand fandom culture and reaping things out of context and it is not helping either fandoms or celebs. And celebs should have the choice either to interact or not and do it in a way they are comfortable with.
As someone who is Hispanic, it's really exciting to see an actor who looks like my loved ones really explode in popularity!!! However, as the adoration for Pedro Pascal has become more and more of a meme that very seriously borders on blatant objectivization of an actual person (a minority at that), it's made me more and more uncomfortable. Yes, it was funny at first, but then I realized that a *lot* of the discussion online about him seems to be *increasingly* fueled by fetishizing a Chilean actor, and it made the meme of "daddy" Pedro Pascal really icky really fast. It seems people have gone from actually celebrating the guy for being an awesome actor (and a decent person IRL, as far as I can tell) to moving on to blatantly objectifying him, reducing him to a hot Latino actor they'd want to screw, just for laughs. I've been fed a lot of content about him because 1) I seem to be in the target demographic for the algorithm, and 2) I want to support such an awesome Latino actor because representation is important to me. But it's gotten inappropriate fast, and it feels like at this point in the meme the only jokes left to make are dehumanizing ones.
I'm Hispanic and I don't mean to burst your bubble but I'm really curious about the "looks like my loved ones" part. He could literally pass as the average Boise resident. Is he Hispanic? Definitely, but he's also white. I feel like him being Latino plays less of a role in this than him being male and middle-aged. That's the main group of people targeted by the "daddy" nutters.
@@inessa5923 I disagree. Ethnicity is still a factor that should be accounted for. I have seen far too many people joking about attractive latino men in star wars to discount that. Also, are you just hispanic? or are you also latin@? Because those 2 are different things.
@@inessa5923 it depends, i think, latinos come in all shapes and forms, and Pedro happens to look like many Chileans do, doesnt mean he looks like latinos from other places
He’s got such a wonderful warm smile and twinkle in his eyes AND HE’S A REAL HUMAN BEING NONE OF US KNOW PERSONALLY. I worry that someone will find something he did/said/believed and everyone will tear him to shreds (as is the pattern). I’m really glad he said “no” to reading the thirst tweets.
I really wish we could cancel the thirst tweet shit. It's so creepy and gross, and it must be so awful and uncomfortable for the person who is the subject of the thirst tweets.
@@jpc2470 it's kinda weird. Like as soon as someone has a meteoric rise people make it their job to find *something* to tear them down. Think jack harlow, everyone was absolutely thirsting over him but now he's got a not so great reputation and a not so well revived album.
@@mozorellastick2583 it’s this sick and twisted form of narcissism where people enjoying building someone up just as much as they love tearing that person down.
I was thinking the same thing. He's handsome and he's been in really great shows over the years. But its inevitable something no matter how minor will turn people against him.
thank u for mentioning the racial aspect of this fetishization, him being latino is a major factor in how these audiences are engaging negatively with him. i believe it should be discussed before anything else in this conversation but i understand why you feel youre not the one to do that , good video mr kuncan
Honestly i disagree. This sort of objectification Pascal faces is nothing new and has happened to a slew of other male stars. The MCU actors are a good example.
do you think he hasn't said anything about the creepy fans because he has a reputation for being cheerful and a good sport and he's worried telling people off will shatter that image? i hope not.
I don't admire the life of a popular celebrity. They don't get to be people anymore, just an object to project on in a million different ways. Its gotta be genuinely terrible for your mental health.
@@iamjustkiwi yep. And then people who speak up are told "you asked for this" They're actors. They're entertainers, they're doing their jobs and they're good at it and they happen to be in a multi billion dollar industry rather than being in a local theatre troupe. That doesn't make them inhuman.
@@mightymeatymech Ugh I absolutely hate that. Especially with all the news coming out about deepfake pron and streamers. It's so messed up, and some people legitimately believe that existing in the public eye or on the internet just gives them a free pass to be objectified to the enth degree.
He did recently say in an interview that he’s a people pleaser and doesn’t like saying no in general so…yeah, that’s most likely why he hasn’t said anything. I think he won’t go further then just politely declining with a smile. Tbh I’m glad that he even did that. At least he kinda put a stop to it, in his own polite way.
@@sepiajoy2871 same. As much as I really enjoy the creative work of these people (and not just the actors, the hundreds of editors and crew members who make it happen, ukno?) sometimes I kind of want them to just go ayn rand on us lmao. I would not complain, I can entertain myself. Take away people's right to the circus and see how satisfied they are with just bread, since you wanna treat the circus like your personal urinal .... (For lack of a better analogy 💀💀) The fake pron don't even get me started ohmygodddddd.... Absolutely godless behavior tbh.
I wish society could be normal about celebrities. It's a lot of things: American and growing postmodern individualism and isolation, parasocial relationships, unhealthy relationships to romance and intimacy in the beginning, pervasive and toxic ideas around gender, etcetera. Anyway, good video!
Damn, you're right. Those all pretty accurately describe what is happening. I wish I could run into and talk to more ppl like u in my area. Whenever, I use words like those in discussions, there is almost always an immediate pushback.
@@bubblespopping2193 Thanks, that's quite kind. Yeah lmao, I'm a bit of a talker when it comes to most things around art and politics but it does mean altering my language around some people. Luckily, I'm in a position where I can be like this around others and be safe. I hope you find something similar where you are!
You don’t even know how many comments I’ve seen saying stuff like “he’s a celebrity. We can say whatever we want about him. Like who cares? Hell never read that anyway” and it’s like…we’ve come to a point where we dehumanize celebs…treating them like emotionless robots and I hate that.
@Badger You're welcome. I understand. And thank you🙂I don't hide my whole personality when talking to others around my area about art and politics, but yes, it can be a matter of safety. I think some ppl feel threatened and stupid when they don't understand a word someone uses, when they can just ask what it means. Anyway, keep up the great discussions and have a wonderful day👋
I think there's a bad part of women led fandom that thinks sexual hyperbole proves you love the actor more and I've always found it really off putting. I've been obsessed with some actors and still follow thirst blogs but I don't respond to the pics like "piss on me daddy" like what the hell is wrong with you. Every time I hear an actor doesn't really use the internet I think "thank god, be safe king."
i think the fact that minors typically get into fandom before they have a chance to realise how sexual the things theyre saying really are, even if theyre just joking, makes it worse. and for sure there are some older fans that KNOW what theyre doing is gross they just dgaf (but fandom always grossed me out bc its 30yrolds and 15yrolds both posting extremely nsfw stuff sometimes between eachother)
@@sunnyandthechlo Mine too. Though the cats prefer to be referred to as my Feline Overlords. I am absolutely not being held hostage, and am not in need of help.
Honestly the whole idea of just wandering up to a random stranger and saying "please read me your favourite horny tweet about you" makes me so viscerally uncomfortable, and I'm somebody who joined Tumblr in 2010. I feel like life would be so much better if people just treated celebrities like the random strangers they are and maybe just talked to their friends about how they're attractive rather than shouting it at the person
I think Pedro Pascal exhibits a type of masculinity a lot of people find really attractive and want to see more of, the kind of masculinity where he's strong and plays paternal, but not patriarchal, characters a lot (like in the two shows he just had on at the same time). The "he protec, he attac" meme. And he's a vocal LGBTQ+ ally, and he's also related to Salvador Allende, which is unrelated to anything really, but as a leftist, I find it very cool lol. But that being said, you're 100% right-- first, we don't actually know him, as charismatic as he is (and how much I can't help but like and almost trust him). But forcing him to read thirst tweets and treating him like a piece of meat is so uncalled for. Your metaphor was great, but I'd add that the octopus is like, performing the ideal of an archetype we want to see more of (strong but kind-hearted protector who isn't patronizing but paternal), which could be part of why the people want to touch it so bad-- but it's still unfair to the octopus. (Great vid!)
Henry Cavill speaking out against being overly sexualized by the industry and having his name dragged through the mud for it and losing a lot of roles I think gives a lot to think about in this kind of conversation
really refreshing to see opinions like this as an 18 year old. I'm very much surrounded with people who talk like this and objectify celebrities constantly.
when people are so openly sexual toward him and he’s asked these questions directly it feels so out of line to me, but primarily i think about how even if he has felt discomfort from it it’s probably unnoticeable most of the time BECAUSE he is so charismatic and lighthearted, plus he’s been an actor for a long time so he knows how to redirect unwanted subjects into a positive direction or joke smoothly. I honestly am one of those people who very much adores him, but in my mind that mostly comes from my appreciation of his uniquely bubbly and dorky personality, as well as my recognition of his fantastic talent and range, more than anything (he’s made me cry in TLOU several times already). i can also recognize that his amazing representation of a joel - a strong, protective, present, and loving father figure - connects with me as someone whose father wasn’t always there. even so, I also understand that pedro is undeniably physically attractive as well, which of course enhances the above traits……but the way some people have been going over the top, publicly and widely posting super explicit and objectifying stuff about him that they know he definitely sees at least SOME of…..it makes me incredibly uncomfortable just reading it, and I can’t imagine how uncomfortable it is for him or for anyone in his position. I think he’s the type to be able to handle it with his easygoing attitude (which is something I think these people assume about him as well in order to justify their line-crossing objectification), but he shouldn’t have to “handle” it. no one should have to battle dehumanization coming at them at this depth, breadth, and volume. it just baffles me when people look at another human being and don’t try to imagine what it would be like to be in their shoes before they share their thoughts on that human being. the practice of consistent empathy is something people must mindfully put out into the world, and it’s very clear when that care and thought is absent.
yeah this sounds exactly like how some people talked about celebrities on tumblr in 2012-2014. it is easy to forget, but there are A LOT of teenagers engaging on the internet, and its really easy to adopt behaviors you see other people do online. and some social media spaces definitely perpetuate obsessive behaviors, but not everyone is taught where the line is. even if you feel like we shouldn't have to have this conversation anymore, its important to keep talking about this stuff.
Me when Duncan explains the objectification of male celebrities who are effectively just doing their job but I’ve recently been into kpop and have been witnessing this phenomenon in the most unhinged and uncontrolled environment with the least deserving victims possible
The whole obsession with kpop celebs and young celebs kinda scares me. I can understand this if person is like 13-15y.o. but as a 33y.o. I usually think about most of the young stars as kids I'm rooting for and any thirst for them seems so strange to me
@@alatielinarai think it's still really strange mostly bc these 13-15 year olds will see the hypersexualised way other fans talk about idols and think its funny/normal and continue to replicate the behaviour
@@lisdexamphetamine (Former K-Pop stan here, years ago) There's also some fault that lies with the talent companies, I think; they market their stars in a very specific way and do a ton of fanservice, lives, and fanmeets and such which build up the parasocial relationship fans have with their idols. Then many will even not let their idols date (I saw this with some male groups, though it might be getting better recently as I've seen some idols announce marriages and stuff). Or once I heard a male group in a live basically talk about their fans in a way that implied they weren't dating anyone because they were dating/married to their fans (namely the female fans). Which is all driven by the companies for marketing. It's all just very weird (again, as someone who was very much in that world for a little while in high school! Thankfully I never sexualized anyone and I already thought the exaggerated fanservice was weird, but still.)
I think that calling celebrities (or really anyone with an audience (or really anyone you don’t know)) mommy/daddy is EXTREMELY weird…like if that is something you like to do with a consenting partner that’s cool I guess but subjecting people you do not know and who do not know YOU to it is very uncomfortable!! EVEN if they may never see it!! Lots of people are way too comfortable objectifying others!!
I was just thinking about this this morning because my partner and I were talking about "15 Million Merits" from the first season of Black Mirror. I think about the episode a lot, a young person dreams about elevating their life from the working class to one of luxury and adoration, but is put in a position where she is only allowed to ascend the ladder if she accepts objectification and degradation publicly, and complicity. Strangely this isn't dissimilar to a theme from The Hunger Games novels that was absent from the films. To be concise, sex trafficking is a central reason for the reaping occurring. The tributes are given supply drops paid for by wealthy sponsors on the expectation that they will receive time with the tribute should they win. The victor is toted across the media-relevant world as a beacon of glory, all while having no autonomy and being sequestered into a life of abuse. These are both narratives that parallel the very real ways in which known personalities are centred as head to toe, inside and out objects for our consumption. How complacency is demanded, and to not idley smile and move forward from derogatory, boundary crossing remarks and acts is to be seen as inflammatory or difficult. The word Diva comes to mind, even. To go back to the Hunger Games one last time, Haymich attempts to refuse what's been put on him as the victor of his year and as a result, the Capital systemically picks off his family members and loved ones until he's alone in the world. They isolate him, and force him to be the guide to new tributes from his home district moving forward. In the films they depicted his alcoholism, but the explanation for why was never adequately explored between five movies because it would exist in a form of media it directly critiques.
The sexualization to dehumanization has happened for a very long time. Like Mayriln Monroe and Marlin Brando times. You would hope we as a society would have gotten past this, but I suppose it's not that easy. We just have to continue to be cognizant of it and hope we can stop this cycle.
People act this way towards people in real life. People on my fb start calling me Daddy all the time without consent and it's annoying as hell and feels gross to me and I ask them to stop but they never do. I'm glad you made this video because it really has been something that's needed to be said. Because lord knows they certainly won't listen to the person they're objectifying/fetishizing.
As an asexual, I ask what goes through some people's heads when they openly objectify people??? Like calling him daddy on TikTok because you think he is attractive is okay I guess??? Because you aren't saying it to him and although daddy has kinky context, it can just be "your attractive to me." So, I can see how that is acceptable as a way to express attraction to someone especially online in the context of the word in slang. But some people get so explicit so quickly and it's confusing. Like how and why? To someone's face?? Like I only very rarely experience sexual attraction, but I think it's something you experience IN PRIVATE and RESPECTFULLY until whomever you are attracted to you EXPLICITLY gives you consent to be more expressive about it to them. Like, it's one thing to find someone physically attractive, it's another thing to tell them explicit fantasies you have or what not without their consent. That's why I kinda hate thirst tweet videos because it's just making a celebrity read people objectifying them to various degrees. But honestly at least in that situation the celeb might've signed up for it, versus being bombarded by it through an interview or something. People are strange, let's normalize treating celebrities like humans at the very least like dang. If you wouldn't do it to literally any other person, then don't do it to a famous person. And if you would do it to other people than don't lol
I'm also asexual and would like to know what's going through people heads with this lol, but in all seriousness I agree with what you've said here especially the part about in private vs. literally shoving things in people's faces
As someone who was always felt so uncomfortable when people showed interest in me, I always have that mental block when it comes to celebrities. Don’t get me wrong, Pedro is attractive and sure, I’d like to give him a big old bear hug, but I just don’t understand the whole ‘I would do this and this to him if we were in a room alone’. Like I hate to think people have thought about me that way… so my mind in this type of situation is the same for him. Finding someone attractive is different from “thirsting” and making inappropriate comments PUBLICLY ONLINE where anyone can see it. Totally agree with your statement!
I think it is a blend of people confusing the terms as far as "daddy" vis "DILF." Both are problematic by far, but I think many call him daddy in relation to the latter because his most recent famous roles that aired at the same time are him as a father, and some find that attractive? Him playing the archetype of a good dad I mean. I dunno him getting constantly barraged for it is unacceptable. Poor guy got typecasted by social and mainstream media within the span of a year even though he is a talented actor and like anyone doesn't deserve outright sexual harassment.
im also ace and i will admit i have developed a more emotional attachment to pedro due to the relationship he's created with bella ramsey and how he plays good father figures because i didnt get that from my own father. Me and my friend (who has a major crush and also has daddy issues) sometimes talk about him and other male celebrities. One day she told me that i was lying when i said i dont find him hot, like yes he is an attractive man but that doesn't mean i want to hook up with him like you do. The other day she sent me those esquire pics where he is obviously being photographed in a sexual light, and what she wanted from me, i dont know. Its this objectification that has heighten due to the internet that stops people from understanding that there are different forms of attraction (aesthetic vs physical vs sexual vs emotional) that really terrifies me and im constantly worried for my ability to just live. (sorry bit off topic)
This is so true! I will occasionally post that I want two characters to kiss, or that I think a celebrity is a hottie, but I think that's very different to going up to the actor and CONTINUALLY bringing up specifics of internet thirst to them. I also think a lot of people forget that Pedro is an immigrant, and that can make someone a real people-pleaser, he might have been playing along for so long BECAUSE he doesn't want to seem ungrateful for his place in America and his slice of "The American Dream". Those who aren't immigrants, forget how much immigrants have to do to be included. (P.S. I'm Australian, but we have a really similar situation of "model minority" or "class clown" immigrants, and I myself am I child of an immigrant)
"He would have mentioned it" And how long did it take for harassed women celebrities to mention it? Many of them were too afraid or intimidated to call it out.
Personally, it has been suffocating seeing so much media about Pedro Pascal being recommended to me. Don’t get me wrong, it’s not that I don’t like him but it’s so overwhelming being shown a bunch of media about a single person. Typically in a form of objectification which I’m not comfortable with seeing; so I can’t imagine what it must be like as him having this amount of eyes on him at once. I remember, a couple hours after I finished watching episodes from the newest season of the Mandalorian, my RUclips and Instagram recommended were filled with Pedro Pascal fan edits, interviews and such. When prior to that I wasn’t getting any recommendations about him. It’s a lot for any person to handle and I don’t blame people being obsessive because of the quantity and type of media depiction of Pascal. However, it’s important to understand and take a step back and question our actions and the type of effect they may have on a person.
And the algorithms conflate the actor and his work with the real person's public person and (imagined) real personality. I get inundated with Pedro content because I've been really engaged in The Last of Us -- and there's not much in common between Joel and Pedro as he appears in show promotion stuff and interviews. They bear a passing physical resemblance. Two different guys. Because of acting. Being obsessed with the show about Joel doesn't mean being obsessed with this media creation called Pedro Pascal OR with the real person he may be. It means I'm checking out his other work because TLOU shows unimaginably good acting. It feels creepy as someone who is known by a very few important people in my industry and will never have a Wikipedia page.
Poor guy- he looked so ambushed by that vid. It's gross how being sexual is kinda commoditised with celebs being pushed to have 'sex appeal'. The 'reading thirst tweets' when celebs know it's going to happen is okay (imo at least) cause they know it's coming so can opt out and the sections actually tend to be funnier rather than sexy as the tweets are so ridiculously outlandish. I wish all celebs were sexualised less, but in a way having it happen to men more too is kinda helping people see how weird it is- female celebs are often expected to be creeped on (with countdowns to the age they're 16/18 being one of the most gross things) I hope we as a society can step back and thirst on their in our own heads rather than drooling all over them
I’m glad you spoke about how nuanced this convo is . Because it’s not just one point. I think ppl forget about the journalism aspect of it. A lot of these interviews that he was openly calling himself daddy and what not are from a year or more ago. And arguably this project currently is what he’s best known for by most ppl . I think a lot of the journalists and articles wanted to run and publish an article first about him and ask him those questions bc tlou came out and it blew up. Just something I think ppl also need to think about
In addition to all the normal problems when this sort of internet thirst makes contact with the outside and the continued objectification issues, it's also meant people aren't talking about not only his immense talent as an actor, but also his very interesting backstory and LGBT advocacy. In a time where so few people are really saying they support us out loud and not in a weird lib way, it's nice that people like him and Gabrielle Union are actually speaking out. It would be great if what they wanted people to hear was first before just reducing them to their utility for titillation. Also I really enjoy the Mandalorian but who is responsible for that whole episode.
It just reminds me of when people ship real life people together like band members or idols and it’s at a point where they forget that a lot of them are married with kids and are ya know actual people with actual feelings
Humble opinion from a Latam: i have liked Pedro's acting since Game of Thrones but aca en casa somos más fans de Narcos , i would say this big boom in his career (like other actors of the time, it comes to my mind Joseph Quinn, Anya Taylor) the fandoms just straight up fetishize this people , and it's one thing when they brought this up but other to constantly push them with it, like i get it, the man has everything to be hot, he plays around with it in his persona , but these are still people, for us in Latinoamerica he is getting the Chayanne / Ricky Martin / Messi treatment like es básicamente un ídolo, like " HELL YEAH, he is from latam, so f*cking cool we love it, go king" like proud mama hens. Here in Argentina we are SO grateful for him supporting Argentina 1985, and relating to this story, because dictatorship of the latam crountries REALLY fucked us up, scars us deeply, like hermanxs del sur we have our differences buy still, we understand this. When u get the chance to be this close to them, especially in interviews they still need to have in mind it would be NICE to talk about what they really do: acting. In fact i have seen people acting crazy about " I got u baby girl" in the tlou episode, like this didn't happened when the game came out , this line is Joel talking to Ellie , COMFORTING A CHILD. After she almost get killed and r*ped , ffs. When it comes to Latinx actress/actors, PEOPLE in general i have seen many times this fetishizement from western culture, these actxrs are energetic, charming, we usually say hi kissing, hugging, kinda "queer and unique" in our way of being seen by people from countries out of Latam, it's upsetting. You can enjoy the product, but treat people with the respect they deserve.
It reminds me of what happened to Benedict Cumberbatch when he was starting becoming big because of Sherlock. I'm not sure if there's a video about it, but some fans mentioned a fan asked Benedict and his co-star Martin Freeman to read a fanfic about their characters. While reading it out loud, they felt uncomfortable because of some erotic scenes in it. Last thing I heard, that certain fan was bash by other fans.
The man is not on social media anymore and I can’t blame him. It really sucks how the media will just overstep boundaries constantly each stepping a little bit farther to gain more clicks and views. If this was a female actress and they showed those tweets sexualizing her I think we would be more willing to acknowledge that what is happening is sexual harassment. I think heartthrob culture has been a thing for forever, but in recent years it has been seen as profitable to pander to fandom and that is made a lot easier with the use of social media. This phenomenon has been a thing since the 60s at least(please look to how young women treated Leonard Nimoy and Spock for example). I think it’s great that female sexuality is less frowned upon, But the fact that we as a culture have not stepped back and looked at the double standards we have for how fans interact with male and female actors is disappointing.
I'm SO GLAD to see a video like this and I want to see more of them. I am full-on about to write an entire actual real ESSAY about how gosh darn WEIRD and objectifying and dehumanizing celebrity culture is and I'm gathering more and more case studies every day. I think about Billie Eilish, whose most recent album contains at LEAST two songs directly addressing how horrible fame really is and how she wasn't prepared to deal with the consequences of just Being A Talented Human Being Who Exists Online And In The Public Eye. It's disgusting that she even has to address that. It's disgusting that people think they're entitled to a person just because they're famous. It's disgusting that the justification I hear so often when I bring up how weird it is to treat people like this is, "Well, they decided to become a celebrity, so they're asking for it." Hey, news flash??? Most of the time, if you want to make a real living off of nothing but, say, acting, singing, voice acting, these artistic mediums that place you somewhat in the public, you HAVE to take off and become known in some way. Billie didn't ask to be objectified and stripped of her humanity and SO public that people judge her for every little choice she makes, she just asked to be a musician and make music and make a living off of that. Pedro Pascal didn't set out to become "the internet's daddy," he just picked up projects he likes and set out to act because he LOVES acting and he wanted to make it a feasible career. Is there some leeway there where you CAN be successful without being a celebrity? Yes, I'm sure there is. But the fact remains that none of these celebrities (with some exceptions, I'm sure some people actively encourage this sort of behavior because they like that kind of attention) made the deliberate choice to dehumanize themselves and objectify themselves. WE made that choice. WE are the ones creating a celebrity culture where people who are just human beings can feel unsafe just meeting up with other normal people because oopsy, the media has seen you with another individual, clearly you're dating and we should all be mad! Don't even get me STARTED on idol culture in South Korea and Japan, that is a WHOLE new level of this, but my point is...celebrities are just human beings who happened to catch on and get really successful and famous for doing what they love to do. None of them asked to be treated like, to use your metaphor, a shiny octopus in a touch tank. The response shouldn't be to roll over and not bother making any sort of change because they asked for it by being chucked into the touch tank, so to speak--the response should be to build an enclosure around the touch tank and maybe make it not so touchable anymore. (This metaphor is quickly falling apart lol oops) Sorry for the essay I'm preparing for the real actual 50 page research paper I WILL use my college English degree on, but I am just so passionate about this topic and I always get on a soapbox when it's brought up, it should NOT be hard to just treat celebrities with the same basic respect we treat other strangers. And yes, I did say OTHER strangers, because WE DO NOT KNOW THESE PEOPLE. Unless there are extenuating circumstances. Am I saying we're not allowed to like celebrities? We can't enjoy their music and love watching them in interviews and follow them on social media because we enjoy hearing what they have to say? Of course not, being a fan of someone and their work is perfectly fine! It's when it crosses the line into things like this that I start to think change needs to happen. Overanalyzing every aspect of someone's life under a microscope and judging or sexualizing them for it is VERY different from, say, wanting to see them in concert and get an autograph because you love singing along to their music in the car. It's appreciation versus objectification. Anywho! I would love to possibly cite this video as a source when I finally actually write this essay just to show I'm not the only person concerned about this! Thank you for speaking up!
THANK YOUUUUUUU !!! it annoys the shit out of me when I see people say things like "he/she knows what they're doing" like no they dont ??? theyre just giving an interview. I feel bad for pedro that its now in like every interview hes asked about it. Like i wish we could just keep it online so he doesnt have to rlly see or deal w it.
thank you! i have been feeling the same way but didn't know how to explain my ick. I like Pedro too! I get the hype! But I also want to tell everyone to just leave him alone. the current "stan culture" means that a lot of people have no concept of boundaries anymore and it's a really worrying trend because where is the line?
I've seen this happen to a few male celebrities now over the years, and even when they point out that they are a bit weirded out, the general reaction is. "Suck it up" / "Now you know how women feel so I don't care". Idris Elba is a good example. There was a point where people would take every pic of him and zoom in on his crotch and talk about the outline (this weirdly happens a lot with any "hot" celeb that wears sweatpants). There was even a like blog dedicated to it. When Idris talked about being weirded out people basically told him to get over it.
Fun note, the guy who made that "let people enjoy things comic" has since made a comic of him taking that very comic and shooting it in the back of the head. Just a funny and lighthearted way to address that people are using the idea in a way he never intended or meant by it.
This was the first time you’ve made a video where I thought, oh fuck… is this me? And the way you approach this topic with such respect, nuance, and an understanding for why people have reacted the way they do is why I love your channel. I’ve obviously shared the memes and am genuinely attracted to the man but I also know he is a person. This is a fantastic think to bring up that I honestly haven’t thought about specifically because he is a man and that’s on me. This kind of strange attention affects him just like it would a woman and I should have realized that.
It’s very cool that you acknowledge your mistake. I’m also very attracted and even attached (which is strange cuz I don’t know him) to Pedro. Attraction is normal and I don’t think we should feel bad for it. But certain lines must never be crossed with online comments. I keep most of my thoughts to myself and most fans (minors for the most part, which makes it worst) fail to do that. We should always remember that celebs (male celebs in that case) have feelings and can feel uncomfortable just like us women do. + Pedro has tiktok which is another reason to watch our mouth and be respectful !
Don't worry, it's great that you realized it's wrong! Not many people do that, they turn deaf and continue doing this kind of stuff...so as long as u don't continue this kind of behavior you're good
And the problem is things like fanfics reinforce this idea that we can shape these people into our desires. I’m terrified of fan fiction because it can be taken so far without any pushback and that in itself is dangerous. I don’t mind fanfic that is based on fictional characters because those characters are NOT real! This is something I think we really need to consider.
This is a daddy kink and it's weird to announce it publicly. Yeah, he seems cool but no matter the celebrity, their fandom is always doing THE MOST. The epidemic of loneliness and lack of intimacy has bred this kind of behavior. Don't get me wrong, everyone has kinks, but we're so lonely that we're announcing it publicly. We gotta reel it in folks.
I think there's a blurry line between appreciation and objectification these days. I'm an old and some things I think it's okay to save for the group chat.
What I’ve also noticed is that when fans are done obsessing over a celebrity they will find something to “cancel” them for or find an “ick,” and then the fans do a complete 180. I also love the point you made about it potentially being fetishization.
This kind of reminds me of that semi viral moment of Clario singing about sexual assault and then someone screaming. 'You're so hot!' Imagine that response in a different context. Maybe a friend or someone who feels comfortable with you opens up to you about a very vulnerable, very traumatic event; and in response, you scream at them, "You're so hot!" It's like thinking their pain/trauma was a joke and you didn't care at all
Poor thing! I feel really bad for celebs. Like yeah, they are public figures but they're still people and I would totally feel uncomfortable with random strangers saying that sorta shit about me.
I think it's definitely worth noting that the men given the moniker of "internet daddy" have been latino and poc (Pedro Pascal, Oscar Isaac, Keanu Reeves). There's absolutely a racial fetishization thing happening there.
I kind of wish Duncan had mentioned this when he pointed out the other possible reasons that we may be seeing Pedro objectified in this way could be because of his gender. Obligatory I know women aren't always taken seriously when they speak up on sexual harassment, assault, and objectification, nor are they always respected, and when everybody is suffering from issues it's not a competition or a display on one upmanship to point out issues other people face when the conversation isn't about 1 specific group or problem, but I feel like there's still a heavy connotation that objectification is a thing done to woem by men almost exclusively, and combined with the sexist stereotype that men are always down for sex and sexy thoughts and that they'd just love to objectified, I feel like tthat could be a contributing factor as to why some people think it's okay to treat Pedro Pascal like this whereas I think there'd be way more pushback, and I'd probably hear about it on the news or social media long before a 100k sub channel had to inform me this was going on, if this recently happened to a rising female celebrity.
I thought we as a society already condemn sexual harassment, so why do most people on the Internet sexually harrass everybody that is conventionally attractive 🤔
Me too! And I have to say, speaking as a retired Pro-Domme, the way that the "straight" world has started calling every handsome man over 30 "daddy" *really* creeps me out in the same way that attempting to read "50 Shades of Abuse and Bad Writing" did. It makes me feel like I need a shower. In an autoclave.
Tbh I think the main issue is society's weird sense of entitlement to lives of public figures. We have this idea that if I person is in the public eye by choice they then must forfeit their right to privacy and boundaries. They cease to be people to us, to be human. They become commodities to be consumed, which is absolutely horrendous. Being in the public eye should not strip you of your right to boundaries and privacy
I’ll be honest, as a man, this is something that makes deconstructing masculine gender expectations-specifically about sexual prowess-hard, especially as we’ve condemned women celebrities being treated this way but seem to celebrate men facing the same problem. Now I know this isn’t true across the board, I’m speaking about it FEELS, rather than how people react to men individually, and I think the way our culture makes men feel is also very important. It’s hard to feel like I’d ever be valued for who I am within a culture that, yes, is now appreciating more gentle and kind men, but also appears to want to maintain the gender expectations of strength and standard attractiveness and generally most parts of standard masculinity BUT the personality that used to come with them. That’s a step forward to be sure but it does create a feeling of being trapped a little bit-kinda like “Deconstruct male gender norms, just not the ones I like” So it feels like we’re still supposed to fit in a box that’s got a lot of the same expectations, just not all of them. Which if I’m being honest, does seem like it leaves a lot of men vulnerable to someone like Andrew Tate to a certain extent-though obviously it’s far from the only contributor to his appeal I know this might be controversial though, I’m willing to hear anyone out
150% agree with you on this! I don’t know if anyone else does this but when a celebrity blows up suddenly I sometimes have the urge to follow them on Instagram but then I’m like… they don’t need this pressure from me? Idk if that makes sense but I don’t want to be another pair of eyes watching them during what I can imagine to be a stressful time to suddenly be noticed by all of the internet. I worry a lot about being another number and stressing someone out.
I agree with this whole video, his treatment online and in some of those interviews have made me uncomfortable. (same with the mommy meme, it became way too common to call strangers online that..) But what I really wanted to thank you for was giving up your chair for Aioli❤ she’s so cuuuuteeee
anyone feel this way about alexa demie? she was a woman that decided to keep her life private and the entire internet deemed her this dark seductive mysterious woman soley for the fact she’s really attractive and private about herself. like, they just completely created this whole persona for her and its fucking crazy jesus. its so creepy how oversaturated her popularity became with a specific looking personality type that they slapped on her.
I think an important thing to recognize (with Pedro Pascal in particular) is that often interacting with some of the meme culture surrounding them or their roles is their job. That being said, just because something is a person's job doesn't mean that it gives the public the okay to do whatever they want to the person (or with their "headcanons" around a person). It shouldn't be that the point where a line is drawn is when a celebrity tells the media or the public to stop (although there's another entire conversation about some facets of the media using someone saying stop as a reason to continue, escalate, or tell the public to hate a person), but rather its important to recognize that as a general audience, we need to be willing to accept that celebrities are not *just* what we see, and that it's pretty weird to conflate people to their appearances (particularly actors to their roles). Just because a person gains fame, or chooses to take up a career in the public eye shouldn't strip them of any right to privacy, and I wish there were more discussions of appropriate boundaries across all different forms of public figures
i feel like the media is a huge part of this issue. i personally think it's fine to thirst after someone or write fanfiction as long as you don't actively tag people in it and demand their attention and/or comment on it. those reporters asking inappropriate questions are the real problem here
I was getting groceries earlier and thinking abt this (specifically in reference to F1nn5ter, not Pedro Pascal, but it was the same idea). People treat public figures like little objects we get to hold in our head and play with however we like. But they are full, distinct human beings. The only part of their life that we’re privy to is a small fraction, and it’s wrong for us to assume that’s a wholistic representation of who they are, but I’d also say that it’s wrong for us to speculate and make assumptions and assertions about the parts we don’t know. The small fraction of their life is all we have awareness of, and it’s wrong to pretend like we get to decide what the rest of who they are is like just because it’s personally amusing to us
Honestly, I was there when the trend started, I watched that one tiktok edit everyone knows and I was like, oh this man is someone I would watch a movie for. This got me into his work, and I stalked his interviews and insta for a bit, and he's honestly a good person. Like, he's so nice. His instagram username is not his name which is SO rare for celebrities, in all of his interviews he's laughing, he's got this father attitude towards his younger costars, he's honestly good. And honestly, even though I was watching like aaaaall of the edits, I saw the Vanity Fair post about the Oscars and they're calling him "daddy" and I was like woah this is kind of wild. Like, stop. And I'm so scared that because of all of this he will start being less like himself and just draw himself back into a usual distant celebrity role. He is so nice for that to happen to him. Like please, as you said, let us all be gentle.
It's easy to relate to this as a femme. I'm just going about my business, being a person, trying to do a thing. Suddenly, some weirdo will remind me I'm a sex object by staring at my chest too long or saying something inappropriate. It's gotten more and more rare as people have realized how obvious and not-ok it is to be that way toward women. It seems like it's considered okay because we have this idea that men are happy with being objectified. Of course, context matters in all cases and people will have varying reactions to it.
i love pedro as an actor and i couldnt have said any of this better myself. however! there is one thing i have to disagree with. din was so funny for the using your head joke. hes so funny all the time. i'd also like the name of the writer but to shake hands with and perhaps nominate for an award for silly one liners that gave me a sensible chuckle
This video is like a breath of fresh air. If you tell people there’s a line between being a fan of a celebrity and objectifying and glorifying another human being, you’re a hater.
It's hilarious bc I had no idea everyone called him daddy, but the FIRST thing I thought when I watched the last of us was...I would LITERALLY trust him with my first born child Which means I feel like we all subconsciously just see him as a comforting and safe person
Hit the mail on the head with that one. The populations view on the term “daddy” has been skewed and turned into a sexual word. In the context of Pedro Pascal the term daddy is what it originally meant father figure and a lot of people stand by that. Is he handsome yes but his personality and just his oddly paternal nature is what people are being attracted too
I feel like what makes the clips so hard to watch is that Pascal - Had to leave Chile after a CIA-Backed Coup lead to the death of the country’s elected Socialist President (who was his great-uncle), - Is militantly Pro-Trans, and - Worked his ass off for over twenty years before finally getting a breakout role. Not that that’s what he should be interviewed about, but come on. He’s a professional; not a toy. Treat him with respect.
What so many people don't understand is how uncomfortable and oftentimes risky it can be to stand up for yourself and demand that these types of comments stop
as someone who’s been a fan of pedro pascal for a while before he was this big, it really makes me feel bad for him. like i definitely think he is super attractive and i love him as an actor but people and media need to stop so openly objectifying him. like people forget he’s a real human being.
I feel the same way! I was initially excited that everyone else was realizing how talented he is, but the way folks are acting is getting really uncomfortable.
hes such a lovely guy, he really doesn't deserve it!
Same here, I was in love with Oberyn from the books. So when Pedro played him in GoT, I just fell in love with his characterization of Oberyn and had a feeling I would see him in bigger projects. But, I find it so weird with all of these videos. I think the SNL sketch that he did about how weird and creepy fan cams really are showed that he's aware of them. The sketch acknowledged that mainly young people are the ones posting the fan cams, and it's gross to do it to an grown man when you're a kid. You can show love for an actor by just supporting their work and future projects.
Interesting that we are saying that about a male actor, but we have been treating female actors like this for a century, and no one cared. It’s almost like there is a double standard for men and women…
@@taylorgayhart9497 i completely agree
female actors r treated like their objects way more than male actors.
but the video was about pedro pascal so i’m just talking about him
There’s a difference between people fangirling on Tik Tok & an interviewer asking sexual questions.
i agree, most fangirling is done is such a way that the celebrity might never see it. but when ur a journalist or constantly mentioning them on twitter, it forces the celebrity to interact with it. robs them of the choice to play into it or not
This! Thank you.
@@morganburt2565I think it’s also worth considering that the big (and traditional) media outlets look to trends on TikTok to inform how they interview celebrities. It’s become pervasive as media research sourcing (and has likewise had a huge impact on how the music industry conducts itself and sets priorities for artists). The two are connected.
@@morganburt2565 I would be MORTIFIED if any of the objects of my fangirling found out. Certainly if some “reporter” shared those thoughts with the person I stan.
Both in how offensiv it is and often tone though not always, with Pedro pascal a lot of it is "he looks like he gives good hugs" it's a lot idealising him as a person instead of degrading him to an sexobject which makes a massiv difference to me
I hate that we've normalized s*xual harassment just because they're celebrities, and they work with the public. Imagine if you mailed a Starbucks barista that you have a crush on your explicit, kinky self-insert fanfiction between you and them, and the next day you go to the Starbucks they work at and ask invasive questions about whether they read it or not, and what they thought about it in front of their coworkers while they're making your latte.
Sadly, i've seen horrible harassment in comments of just average moderately popular people, who aren't even in "celebrity" status. Like i know no one should harass anyone, but the fact that people are basically thinking that it's normal to do that to a "barista" is next lvl. No an ounce of empathy
Yeah except that celebs are not baristas and they are not at arms length or really threatened by your thirst tweets.
The 2nd difference is that thirst tweets are performative. Meaning its not even directed towards the celebrity but rather a form of attention seeking and validation from other people on the internet.
Im not condoning it, just saying that the scenarios are not comparable. Lastly there always exists a toxic extreme in fandom with stalkers and what not and thirst tweets are dar from that.
Personally i have never done it nor will i ever do it for anybody, no matter how removed from my reality they are
As a Starbucks barista, I'd like to mention that I've had people try to pay me for sex at the drive-thru window, I've received obsessive love letters, and my experience isn't even that rare among baristas. I wear a fake wedding band now and it helps a bit.
@@izy6088 yeah when I met my husband he was like “why do you keep an engagement ring in your car?” And when I said “oh I wear that when I go to bars without a guy, that way creepy dudes don’t hit on me.” He was APPALLED. It’s sad that it’s so normalized for women, but when it happens to men people are SHOCKED.
The Target dude was the worst of it.
In his Hot Ones interview, he literally said "Finally, a serious interview" or something in the like. I'm sure he's tired of this corny shows always bringing up daddy memes.
That interview was so good to watch, and it was refreshing to see him being asked actual good questions!
Sean Evans is probably the best interviewer I can think of.
I feel like the whole hot sauce gimmick can take away from that, sometimes.
Adam Ellis, the illustrator of the "let people enjoy things" comic, drew a comic where he executed it because he hated how it had been misappropriated for bad faith arguments.
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Adam Ellis is a hypocrite who steals art
@@Orozus I didn't expect that. Could you elaborate?
@@Orozus every time I've seen someone claim this it's turned out to either be the other person that has stolen from Adam, or just Adam remaking an old drawing that he did years ago. But I'll definitely stick around and listen, I just find it hard to believe.
@@bitnewt Everytime I've seen this claim they never respond to back it up 😔
I think it’s okay to lust after people but you can’t fetishize or actively objectify someone
Yeah and also like its okay to say you're attractive or I think you're hot to someone cos mostly thats a compliment but keep the ew nasty thoughts to yourself 😭
@@minikipp8549 Exactly!
also some things should just be kept private. we cant help who we find hot, amd actors are unattainable people who we assume we will never interact with. but with social media, they actually might see what we say - so maybe we should just keep it to ourselves
I feel you on that. You can find the person attractive, but keep the comments pg.
@@zorro......this is why i only spread my dreamnotfound x reader fanfiction to my devoted followers via carrier pigeon
I hate how interviewers have completely ignored an extremely interesting part of Pedro. How passionate he is about his work.
When he was asked about his single episode on buffy following a post from Sarah Michelle Gellar. He was so excited to talk about his experience on the show. He spoke with more enthusiasm and detail about a small part of single episode he shot over 20 years ago than some actors do for projects they’re specifically there to promote. that guy is interviewer gold and they are WASTING his charisma.
i think the most important thing with this whole daddy joke is that the joke is on Pedro’s terms. Like him going live to “make sure” the internet knows and things like that are on his terms and he seems to enjoy it.
The main issue I have with these specific interviews is that they are very clearly not on his terms. The interviewers spring the topic out of nowhere, seemingly intentionally trying to throw him off so they get a viral moment. It stops the joke from being his, but instead a joke the interviewers play ON him. And that’s not okay.
That's sad because passionate people talking about what they love is one of the best form of content.
I think an example of GOOD interviewing was the hot ones episode. Correct if I'm wrong, but I don't think he asked him a single question objectifying him. He asked very insightful questions about Pedro's career. It was very refreshing
@@leahrose-yt Sean Evans is the best when it comes to interviewing. He always asks introspective questions and actually does a lot of research on the person beforehand.
@@leahrose-yt hot ones stays on top!
YES!!! also he’s so incredibly intelligent and genuine?! like I wish we got more of that side in media. He did reddit AMA a few years ago and it is so refreshing to see someone so passionate, with emotional intelligence, and just caring and kind?! They’re missing golden material and opportunities :( His recent Hot Wings interview asked some great questions so I hope we go more in that direction
I love Pedro Pascal, he's so fun and nice but it makes me uncomfortable the amount of sexualization. I didn't realize how bad it was because thankfully I'm on the right side of the internet but damn
I'm ace as fuck but he just seems so nice and cool, so naturally I love to watch his stuff. I knew people were like into him sexually but not like crazy, ya know?
@@Tiny_Koi im not ace but thats the same way i feel abt him! i dont even see him in a sexual or even romantic way, he's just a lil guy to me
@@enoyna9495 exactly, just a cool lil guy that exists on my video screen and in this world 😭
im ace, have a huge crush on the guy, but jeez people need to CHILL! he's an incredibly talented actor and kind person, too! Yes, he's attractive but we really do need to take it down a notch. Boundaries are SO important.
@@Tiny_Koi me too! I'm an asexual lesbian (I think, LMAO shit is confusing) and I love him to bits because he's so fun but the sexualization is really shitty
The objectification of people in the public eye is always something that disturbed me even as a teen, especially in fandom. Whether it was the gross amount of shipping culture found in the MCR tumblr fandom of the 2010's, all the stuff around Dan Howell and Phil Lester about their sexuality for over a decade or even the fact Jon Risinger had to consider fanfiction in his divorce proceedings. It's a gross dehumanisation of people because of the perception of otherness due to a person's notoriety, when really all they are is just people.
someone had to consider what in their divorce!??!
Oh god I completely forgot about the Jon Risinger stuff, yeah that was so weird
I tried to Google this story and found nothing, would love some further elucidation!
@@corinariginals the Jon risinger story came up in either a podcast or a stream, it was a long time since I saw. The Dan Howell/Phil Lester stuff is...Still happening now. I have no idea about the MCR stuff but having been on tumblr at the time it is not surprising
Edit: basically the Jon risingsr story is his wife's lawyers were bringing up fanfiction people wrote about him and one of his coworkers, under the logic of "this must mean he is genuinely being unfaithful" because they were people with no idea how awful the Internet is
@@IainDoc15 thank you appreciate the context
Ugh you nailed it. He’s a handsome dude and very charismatic, but he’s such a thoughtful and intelligent man, let him answer serious questions about his projects! He has a lot of wonderful things to say!
his hot ones interview was so enlightening, top tier questions that actually showed so much respect for his entire career starting before he even got close to fame. but that's nothing new, the hot ones team knock every interview outta the park with respectful and well-researched questions, the person being interviewed is always impressed... if only more media outlets took note!!
@@dancingdyonysis While his mouth was burning X"D.
Dude is very smart with his words and genuine with his feelings, it's such a fresh air of lovable personality in the Hollywood entertainment
@@frds_skce yes he is , so awesome
I hate the red carpet “daddy” questions
Nothing like media outlets sexually harassing people while they’re just trying to do their job. 😑
No one should be put in that position. It's so cringe and unnecessary
All this situation is so sad especially as a chilean, the whole country is really proud of him because of his success internationally and him being so proud of his roots (also he is very active on our politics and was really vocal on voting for a new constitution back in 2020)
somos el mejor país de chile
My aunt loves to tell a story where she ran into one of her favorite musicians while shopping and she was lowkey freaking out. After the 100th time she told us the story, I finally asked if she got anything signed and she said no. I was shocked, if you love this guy so much, why wouldn’t you say hi and/or ask for an autograph? She looked me dead in the eye and said he was shopping. Why would I bother him when he was trying to live his life? And I think about that often and hope that if I ever run into anyone famous, I’ll have as much class and respect to react in the same way.
Loosely connected, I know. But I feel like it connects well with the whole “he’s a real person” sentiment.
@@jpc2470 honestly, something tells me that I would be too lmao
I don't think that my aunt would ask for an autograph tbh. she's not super sentimental. But I thought she'd say she's a fan. Music is a big deal in our family
So I work at a Starbucks, in Philly, near the university Noah schnapps goes to. He came into my Starbucks one day and a couple baristas wanted to go get a photo or talk to him and I kept discouraging it, saying “he’s just here to get stuff and go to school we should leave him alone”
im too socially anxious to ever ask anyone for an autograph anyways :)
@@Theunfathomable0 that’s good of you!
@Personal Jesus lmao I get it. I have a little known fave musician that I see yearly. Every time I see her I ask her to sign my music book of hers that I got the first time I saw her. More of a reminder than anything. But for other people, I didn’t get the appeal either I just know that’s how you’re expected to behave or want when meeting a celebrity
He IS so likeable! But I couldn't agree more with the fandom building replacing their identity.
I saw a tweet that said something to the effect of how online culture treats fictional characters as real people and real people (celebrities) as fictional characters which I found really interesting. People seem to forget that Pedro Pascal is a real person who is really effected by this. Too often fandom will replace the real person's identity with one that they prefer while at the same time write a bad take think piece on the actions of the fictional character that the person plays as if those actions were done by a real person.
I wonder if that's got to do with mystique, celebrities often try not to show their whole personality in public so seem more distant and less rounded than the people they play
Sigh, don't let me get started. As someone who dwell on NSFW side of Twitter art, you can find this niche of artists who likes Spiderman smut, understandable, but then it repeats and then it's obvious you just want to trace drawing Tom Holland getting done multiple ways. If this were the Hadrian Times, there will be millions of Tom Holland statue and temples. Same can be said to other (especially big franchise) medias.
I don’t understand people doing that to real people, it’s really odd to me. Like don’t get me wrong I think that Pedro Pascal is ridiculously hot. But he’s a real person. I know nothing about him. Inside thoughts need to STAY inside thoughts. I also feel the same way about people bombarding celebrities for an autograph when they’re just going about their day and then getting offended when they say no. You’re not entitled to ANYTHING from these people. They’re PEOPLE.
One main thing I’ve noticed over the last few years, especially with people having less shame about posting their fan edits and horny thoughts, is that because it’s so mainstream different media outlets are forcing these celebrities to confront and publicly react to it. Ten years ago people would make whole tumblr blogs dedicated to Tom Hiddleston and Chris Evans but it was more fringe; an interviewer might make a joke about it but for the most part it stayed in its own corner online. Now there are thirst tweets and TikToks EVERYWHERE, and I don’t blame the celebrities who get uncomfortable when shoved a phone in their face and told “what do you think about this?????” while on camera. It definitely wasn’t ok back in 2013, but the more we’re all online the more these ugly parts bleed through the cracks into the mainstream.
totally. Fan spaces should be for fans, not the media. They don't understand fandom culture and reaping things out of context and it is not helping either fandoms or celebs. And celebs should have the choice either to interact or not and do it in a way they are comfortable with.
The way Aioli just snatched your chair 😭
It's Aioli's chair, not Duncan's
It really got me that he just spent the whole video sitting on the floor next to the chair. Aioli's got you trained well, Duncan.
As someone who is Hispanic, it's really exciting to see an actor who looks like my loved ones really explode in popularity!!! However, as the adoration for Pedro Pascal has become more and more of a meme that very seriously borders on blatant objectivization of an actual person (a minority at that), it's made me more and more uncomfortable. Yes, it was funny at first, but then I realized that a *lot* of the discussion online about him seems to be *increasingly* fueled by fetishizing a Chilean actor, and it made the meme of "daddy" Pedro Pascal really icky really fast.
It seems people have gone from actually celebrating the guy for being an awesome actor (and a decent person IRL, as far as I can tell) to moving on to blatantly objectifying him, reducing him to a hot Latino actor they'd want to screw, just for laughs. I've been fed a lot of content about him because 1) I seem to be in the target demographic for the algorithm, and 2) I want to support such an awesome Latino actor because representation is important to me. But it's gotten inappropriate fast, and it feels like at this point in the meme the only jokes left to make are dehumanizing ones.
Same thoughts here as a latina/hispanic too. ❤
This, I just know that if he wasn't latino people wouldn't treat him like this.
I'm Hispanic and I don't mean to burst your bubble but I'm really curious about the "looks like my loved ones" part. He could literally pass as the average Boise resident. Is he Hispanic? Definitely, but he's also white. I feel like him being Latino plays less of a role in this than him being male and middle-aged. That's the main group of people targeted by the "daddy" nutters.
@@inessa5923 I disagree. Ethnicity is still a factor that should be accounted for. I have seen far too many people joking about attractive latino men in star wars to discount that.
Also, are you just hispanic? or are you also latin@? Because those 2 are different things.
@@inessa5923 it depends, i think, latinos come in all shapes and forms, and Pedro happens to look like many Chileans do, doesnt mean he looks like latinos from other places
He’s got such a wonderful warm smile and twinkle in his eyes AND HE’S A REAL HUMAN BEING NONE OF US KNOW PERSONALLY. I worry that someone will find something he did/said/believed and everyone will tear him to shreds (as is the pattern). I’m really glad he said “no” to reading the thirst tweets.
I really wish we could cancel the thirst tweet shit. It's so creepy and gross, and it must be so awful and uncomfortable for the person who is the subject of the thirst tweets.
@@jpc2470 it's kinda weird. Like as soon as someone has a meteoric rise people make it their job to find *something* to tear them down. Think jack harlow, everyone was absolutely thirsting over him but now he's got a not so great reputation and a not so well revived album.
@@mozorellastick2583 it’s this sick and twisted form of narcissism where people enjoying building someone up just as much as they love tearing that person down.
I was thinking the same thing. He's handsome and he's been in really great shows over the years. But its inevitable something no matter how minor will turn people against him.
thank u for mentioning the racial aspect of this fetishization, him being latino is a major factor in how these audiences are engaging negatively with him. i believe it should be discussed before anything else in this conversation but i understand why you feel youre not the one to do that , good video mr kuncan
Honestly i disagree. This sort of objectification Pascal faces is nothing new and has happened to a slew of other male stars. The MCU actors are a good example.
Not just latinos tho
Latino is not a race it’s an ethnic group - Pedro may be ‘exotic’ bc he’s Chilean but he’s white
do you think he hasn't said anything about the creepy fans because he has a reputation for being cheerful and a good sport and he's worried telling people off will shatter that image? i hope not.
I don't admire the life of a popular celebrity. They don't get to be people anymore, just an object to project on in a million different ways. Its gotta be genuinely terrible for your mental health.
@@iamjustkiwi yep. And then people who speak up are told "you asked for this"
They're actors. They're entertainers, they're doing their jobs and they're good at it and they happen to be in a multi billion dollar industry rather than being in a local theatre troupe. That doesn't make them inhuman.
@@mightymeatymech Ugh I absolutely hate that. Especially with all the news coming out about deepfake pron and streamers. It's so messed up, and some people legitimately believe that existing in the public eye or on the internet just gives them a free pass to be objectified to the enth degree.
He did recently say in an interview that he’s a people pleaser and doesn’t like saying no in general so…yeah, that’s most likely why he hasn’t said anything. I think he won’t go further then just politely declining with a smile. Tbh I’m glad that he even did that. At least he kinda put a stop to it, in his own polite way.
@@sepiajoy2871 same. As much as I really enjoy the creative work of these people (and not just the actors, the hundreds of editors and crew members who make it happen, ukno?) sometimes I kind of want them to just go ayn rand on us lmao. I would not complain, I can entertain myself.
Take away people's right to the circus and see how satisfied they are with just bread, since you wanna treat the circus like your personal urinal .... (For lack of a better analogy 💀💀)
The fake pron don't even get me started ohmygodddddd.... Absolutely godless behavior tbh.
I wish society could be normal about celebrities. It's a lot of things: American and growing postmodern individualism and isolation, parasocial relationships, unhealthy relationships to romance and intimacy in the beginning, pervasive and toxic ideas around gender, etcetera. Anyway, good video!
Damn, you're right. Those all pretty accurately describe what is happening. I wish I could run into and talk to more ppl like u in my area. Whenever, I use words like those in discussions, there is almost always an immediate pushback.
@@bubblespopping2193 Thanks, that's quite kind. Yeah lmao, I'm a bit of a talker when it comes to most things around art and politics but it does mean altering my language around some people.
Luckily, I'm in a position where I can be like this around others and be safe. I hope you find something similar where you are!
You don’t even know how many comments I’ve seen saying stuff like “he’s a celebrity. We can say whatever we want about him. Like who cares? Hell never read that anyway” and it’s like…we’ve come to a point where we dehumanize celebs…treating them like emotionless robots and I hate that.
@Badger You're welcome. I understand. And thank you🙂I don't hide my whole personality when talking to others around my area about art and politics, but yes, it can be a matter of safety. I think some ppl feel threatened and stupid when they don't understand a word someone uses, when they can just ask what it means. Anyway, keep up the great discussions and have a wonderful day👋
@@bubblespopping2193
I see what you mean. Thank you :) You have a good day too
I think there's a bad part of women led fandom that thinks sexual hyperbole proves you love the actor more and I've always found it really off putting. I've been obsessed with some actors and still follow thirst blogs but I don't respond to the pics like "piss on me daddy" like what the hell is wrong with you. Every time I hear an actor doesn't really use the internet I think "thank god, be safe king."
Good point. You can be passionate about and appreciate an actor’s work without sexualising them to an over the top degree.
Literally same, those comments gross me out like it’s disrespectful
as if the only way men appreciate women actors isnt through sexualizing them 🤣
i think the fact that minors typically get into fandom before they have a chance to realise how sexual the things theyre saying really are, even if theyre just joking, makes it worse. and for sure there are some older fans that KNOW what theyre doing is gross they just dgaf (but fandom always grossed me out bc its 30yrolds and 15yrolds both posting extremely nsfw stuff sometimes between eachother)
I love Aioli's new channel, I hope it takes off! I also hope this Kuncan guy lets her speak more next time
Very interested to see if her takes align with my cat's. My cat is VERY opinionated.
@@sunnyandthechlo Mine too. Though the cats prefer to be referred to as my Feline Overlords.
I am absolutely not being held hostage, and am not in need of help.
HOE STUCK
Honestly the whole idea of just wandering up to a random stranger and saying "please read me your favourite horny tweet about you" makes me so viscerally uncomfortable, and I'm somebody who joined Tumblr in 2010.
I feel like life would be so much better if people just treated celebrities like the random strangers they are and maybe just talked to their friends about how they're attractive rather than shouting it at the person
I think Pedro Pascal exhibits a type of masculinity a lot of people find really attractive and want to see more of, the kind of masculinity where he's strong and plays paternal, but not patriarchal, characters a lot (like in the two shows he just had on at the same time). The "he protec, he attac" meme. And he's a vocal LGBTQ+ ally, and he's also related to Salvador Allende, which is unrelated to anything really, but as a leftist, I find it very cool lol.
But that being said, you're 100% right-- first, we don't actually know him, as charismatic as he is (and how much I can't help but like and almost trust him). But forcing him to read thirst tweets and treating him like a piece of meat is so uncalled for.
Your metaphor was great, but I'd add that the octopus is like, performing the ideal of an archetype we want to see more of (strong but kind-hearted protector who isn't patronizing but paternal), which could be part of why the people want to touch it so bad-- but it's still unfair to the octopus.
(Great vid!)
Henry Cavill speaking out against being overly sexualized by the industry and having his name dragged through the mud for it and losing a lot of roles I think gives a lot to think about in this kind of conversation
"everyone gets sexualized so it's ok" has the same energy as "emts make $18/hr so fast food workers deserve dirt wages"
really refreshing to see opinions like this as an 18 year old. I'm very much surrounded with people who talk like this and objectify celebrities constantly.
when people are so openly sexual toward him and he’s asked these questions directly it feels so out of line to me, but primarily i think about how even if he has felt discomfort from it it’s probably unnoticeable most of the time BECAUSE he is so charismatic and lighthearted, plus he’s been an actor for a long time so he knows how to redirect unwanted subjects into a positive direction or joke smoothly.
I honestly am one of those people who very much adores him, but in my mind that mostly comes from my appreciation of his uniquely bubbly and dorky personality, as well as my recognition of his fantastic talent and range, more than anything (he’s made me cry in TLOU several times already). i can also recognize that his amazing representation of a joel - a strong, protective, present, and loving father figure - connects with me as someone whose father wasn’t always there.
even so, I also understand that pedro is undeniably physically attractive as well, which of course enhances the above traits……but the way some people have been going over the top, publicly and widely posting super explicit and objectifying stuff about him that they know he definitely sees at least SOME of…..it makes me incredibly uncomfortable just reading it, and I can’t imagine how uncomfortable it is for him or for anyone in his position. I think he’s the type to be able to handle it with his easygoing attitude (which is something I think these people assume about him as well in order to justify their line-crossing objectification), but he shouldn’t have to “handle” it. no one should have to battle dehumanization coming at them at this depth, breadth, and volume.
it just baffles me when people look at another human being and don’t try to imagine what it would be like to be in their shoes before they share their thoughts on that human being. the practice of consistent empathy is something people must mindfully put out into the world, and it’s very clear when that care and thought is absent.
yeah this sounds exactly like how some people talked about celebrities on tumblr in 2012-2014. it is easy to forget, but there are A LOT of teenagers engaging on the internet, and its really easy to adopt behaviors you see other people do online. and some social media spaces definitely perpetuate obsessive behaviors, but not everyone is taught where the line is. even if you feel like we shouldn't have to have this conversation anymore, its important to keep talking about this stuff.
Me when Duncan explains the objectification of male celebrities who are effectively just doing their job but I’ve recently been into kpop and have been witnessing this phenomenon in the most unhinged and uncontrolled environment with the least deserving victims possible
The whole obsession with kpop celebs and young celebs kinda scares me. I can understand this if person is like 13-15y.o. but as a 33y.o. I usually think about most of the young stars as kids I'm rooting for and any thirst for them seems so strange to me
@@alatielinarai think it's still really strange mostly bc these 13-15 year olds will see the hypersexualised way other fans talk about idols and think its funny/normal and continue to replicate the behaviour
@@lisdexamphetamine (Former K-Pop stan here, years ago) There's also some fault that lies with the talent companies, I think; they market their stars in a very specific way and do a ton of fanservice, lives, and fanmeets and such which build up the parasocial relationship fans have with their idols. Then many will even not let their idols date (I saw this with some male groups, though it might be getting better recently as I've seen some idols announce marriages and stuff). Or once I heard a male group in a live basically talk about their fans in a way that implied they weren't dating anyone because they were dating/married to their fans (namely the female fans). Which is all driven by the companies for marketing. It's all just very weird (again, as someone who was very much in that world for a little while in high school! Thankfully I never sexualized anyone and I already thought the exaggerated fanservice was weird, but still.)
I think that calling celebrities (or really anyone with an audience (or really anyone you don’t know)) mommy/daddy is EXTREMELY weird…like if that is something you like to do with a consenting partner that’s cool I guess but subjecting people you do not know and who do not know YOU to it is very uncomfortable!! EVEN if they may never see it!! Lots of people are way too comfortable objectifying others!!
I was just thinking about this this morning because my partner and I were talking about "15 Million Merits" from the first season of Black Mirror. I think about the episode a lot, a young person dreams about elevating their life from the working class to one of luxury and adoration, but is put in a position where she is only allowed to ascend the ladder if she accepts objectification and degradation publicly, and complicity.
Strangely this isn't dissimilar to a theme from The Hunger Games novels that was absent from the films. To be concise, sex trafficking is a central reason for the reaping occurring. The tributes are given supply drops paid for by wealthy sponsors on the expectation that they will receive time with the tribute should they win.
The victor is toted across the media-relevant world as a beacon of glory, all while having no autonomy and being sequestered into a life of abuse.
These are both narratives that parallel the very real ways in which known personalities are centred as head to toe, inside and out objects for our consumption. How complacency is demanded, and to not idley smile and move forward from derogatory, boundary crossing remarks and acts is to be seen as inflammatory or difficult. The word Diva comes to mind, even.
To go back to the Hunger Games one last time, Haymich attempts to refuse what's been put on him as the victor of his year and as a result, the Capital systemically picks off his family members and loved ones until he's alone in the world. They isolate him, and force him to be the guide to new tributes from his home district moving forward. In the films they depicted his alcoholism, but the explanation for why was never adequately explored between five movies because it would exist in a form of media it directly critiques.
The sexualization to dehumanization has happened for a very long time. Like Mayriln Monroe and Marlin Brando times. You would hope we as a society would have gotten past this, but I suppose it's not that easy. We just have to continue to be cognizant of it and hope we can stop this cycle.
And it is still going. Marilyn was fun, talented and smart woman but we got movies like "Blonde" still...
I will make sure to remind all my friends that there is a real octopus in every celebrity, thank you, Duncan.
People act this way towards people in real life.
People on my fb start calling me Daddy all the time without consent and it's annoying as hell and feels gross to me and I ask them to stop but they never do. I'm glad you made this video because it really has been something that's needed to be said. Because lord knows they certainly won't listen to the person they're objectifying/fetishizing.
As an asexual, I ask what goes through some people's heads when they openly objectify people??? Like calling him daddy on TikTok because you think he is attractive is okay I guess??? Because you aren't saying it to him and although daddy has kinky context, it can just be "your attractive to me." So, I can see how that is acceptable as a way to express attraction to someone especially online in the context of the word in slang.
But some people get so explicit so quickly and it's confusing. Like how and why? To someone's face?? Like I only very rarely experience sexual attraction, but I think it's something you experience IN PRIVATE and RESPECTFULLY until whomever you are attracted to you EXPLICITLY gives you consent to be more expressive about it to them. Like, it's one thing to find someone physically attractive, it's another thing to tell them explicit fantasies you have or what not without their consent.
That's why I kinda hate thirst tweet videos because it's just making a celebrity read people objectifying them to various degrees. But honestly at least in that situation the celeb might've signed up for it, versus being bombarded by it through an interview or something.
People are strange, let's normalize treating celebrities like humans at the very least like dang. If you wouldn't do it to literally any other person, then don't do it to a famous person. And if you would do it to other people than don't lol
I'm also asexual and would like to know what's going through people heads with this lol, but in all seriousness I agree with what you've said here especially the part about in private vs. literally shoving things in people's faces
As someone who was always felt so uncomfortable when people showed interest in me, I always have that mental block when it comes to celebrities. Don’t get me wrong, Pedro is attractive and sure, I’d like to give him a big old bear hug, but I just don’t understand the whole ‘I would do this and this to him if we were in a room alone’.
Like I hate to think people have thought about me that way… so my mind in this type of situation is the same for him. Finding someone attractive is different from “thirsting” and making inappropriate comments PUBLICLY ONLINE where anyone can see it.
Totally agree with your statement!
I think it is a blend of people confusing the terms as far as "daddy" vis "DILF." Both are problematic by far, but I think many call him daddy in relation to the latter because his most recent famous roles that aired at the same time are him as a father, and some find that attractive? Him playing the archetype of a good dad I mean.
I dunno him getting constantly barraged for it is unacceptable. Poor guy got typecasted by social and mainstream media within the span of a year even though he is a talented actor and like anyone doesn't deserve outright sexual harassment.
im also ace and i will admit i have developed a more emotional attachment to pedro due to the relationship he's created with bella ramsey and how he plays good father figures because i didnt get that from my own father. Me and my friend (who has a major crush and also has daddy issues) sometimes talk about him and other male celebrities. One day she told me that i was lying when i said i dont find him hot, like yes he is an attractive man but that doesn't mean i want to hook up with him like you do. The other day she sent me those esquire pics where he is obviously being photographed in a sexual light, and what she wanted from me, i dont know.
Its this objectification that has heighten due to the internet that stops people from understanding that there are different forms of attraction (aesthetic vs physical vs sexual vs emotional) that really terrifies me and im constantly worried for my ability to just live. (sorry bit off topic)
This is so true! I will occasionally post that I want two characters to kiss, or that I think a celebrity is a hottie, but I think that's very different to going up to the actor and CONTINUALLY bringing up specifics of internet thirst to them. I also think a lot of people forget that Pedro is an immigrant, and that can make someone a real people-pleaser, he might have been playing along for so long BECAUSE he doesn't want to seem ungrateful for his place in America and his slice of "The American Dream". Those who aren't immigrants, forget how much immigrants have to do to be included.
(P.S. I'm Australian, but we have a really similar situation of "model minority" or "class clown" immigrants, and I myself am I child of an immigrant)
You letting the cat have the chair instead gave me so much joy lol
"He would have mentioned it"
And how long did it take for harassed women celebrities to mention it? Many of them were too afraid or intimidated to call it out.
Plus if he doesn mention it, or shows discomfort, these same fanatics will turn on him in seconds, saying things like he's who he is because of them.
Personally, it has been suffocating seeing so much media about Pedro Pascal being recommended to me. Don’t get me wrong, it’s not that I don’t like him but it’s so overwhelming being shown a bunch of media about a single person. Typically in a form of objectification which I’m not comfortable with seeing; so I can’t imagine what it must be like as him having this amount of eyes on him at once.
I remember, a couple hours after I finished watching episodes from the newest season of the Mandalorian, my RUclips and Instagram recommended were filled with Pedro Pascal fan edits, interviews and such. When prior to that I wasn’t getting any recommendations about him. It’s a lot for any person to handle and I don’t blame people being obsessive because of the quantity and type of media depiction of Pascal. However, it’s important to understand and take a step back and question our actions and the type of effect they may have on a person.
And the algorithms conflate the actor and his work with the real person's public person and (imagined) real personality. I get inundated with Pedro content because I've been really engaged in The Last of Us -- and there's not much in common between Joel and Pedro as he appears in show promotion stuff and interviews. They bear a passing physical resemblance. Two different guys. Because of acting. Being obsessed with the show about Joel doesn't mean being obsessed with this media creation called Pedro Pascal OR with the real person he may be. It means I'm checking out his other work because TLOU shows unimaginably good acting.
It feels creepy as someone who is known by a very few important people in my industry and will never have a Wikipedia page.
This is my favorite opening you’ve ever done 😂😂
Poor guy- he looked so ambushed by that vid. It's gross how being sexual is kinda commoditised with celebs being pushed to have 'sex appeal'. The 'reading thirst tweets' when celebs know it's going to happen is okay (imo at least) cause they know it's coming so can opt out and the sections actually tend to be funnier rather than sexy as the tweets are so ridiculously outlandish.
I wish all celebs were sexualised less, but in a way having it happen to men more too is kinda helping people see how weird it is- female celebs are often expected to be creeped on (with countdowns to the age they're 16/18 being one of the most gross things) I hope we as a society can step back and thirst on their in our own heads rather than drooling all over them
He handled it well. Showing how WTF it was, long pause, and then a polite but firm departure.
I’m glad you spoke about how nuanced this convo is . Because it’s not just one point. I think ppl forget about the journalism aspect of it. A lot of these interviews that he was openly calling himself daddy and what not are from a year or more ago. And arguably this project currently is what he’s best known for by most ppl . I think a lot of the journalists and articles wanted to run and publish an article first about him and ask him those questions bc tlou came out and it blew up. Just something I think ppl also need to think about
The fact that parasocial relationships are so common and so important to our lives nowadays seems to make the objectification much, much worse.
In addition to all the normal problems when this sort of internet thirst makes contact with the outside and the continued objectification issues, it's also meant people aren't talking about not only his immense talent as an actor, but also his very interesting backstory and LGBT advocacy. In a time where so few people are really saying they support us out loud and not in a weird lib way, it's nice that people like him and Gabrielle Union are actually speaking out. It would be great if what they wanted people to hear was first before just reducing them to their utility for titillation.
Also I really enjoy the Mandalorian but who is responsible for that whole episode.
It just reminds me of when people ship real life people together like band members or idols and it’s at a point where they forget that a lot of them are married with kids and are ya know actual people with actual feelings
"The Internet is horny for you. What do you think?🎤" had me cackling. the peak of professional journalism
Tired: "Space Daddy 🥵"
Wired: "Space Dad because he is in fact a father in Space with a little green alien son"
Humble opinion from a Latam: i have liked Pedro's acting since Game of Thrones but aca en casa somos más fans de Narcos , i would say this big boom in his career (like other actors of the time, it comes to my mind Joseph Quinn, Anya Taylor) the fandoms just straight up fetishize this people , and it's one thing when they brought this up but other to constantly push them with it, like i get it, the man has everything to be hot, he plays around with it in his persona , but these are still people, for us in Latinoamerica he is getting the Chayanne / Ricky Martin / Messi treatment like es básicamente un ídolo, like " HELL YEAH, he is from latam, so f*cking cool we love it, go king" like proud mama hens. Here in Argentina we are SO grateful for him supporting Argentina 1985, and relating to this story, because dictatorship of the latam crountries REALLY fucked us up, scars us deeply, like hermanxs del sur we have our differences buy still, we understand this.
When u get the chance to be this close to them, especially in interviews they still need to have in mind it would be NICE to talk about what they really do: acting. In fact i have seen people acting crazy about " I got u baby girl" in the tlou episode, like this didn't happened when the game came out , this line is Joel talking to Ellie , COMFORTING A CHILD. After she almost get killed and r*ped , ffs. When it comes to Latinx actress/actors, PEOPLE in general i have seen many times this fetishizement from western culture, these actxrs are energetic, charming, we usually say hi kissing, hugging, kinda "queer and unique" in our way of being seen by people from countries out of Latam, it's upsetting. You can enjoy the product, but treat people with the respect they deserve.
i literally love you every time i find myself being pissed off at smth online u make a coherent video and say everything i wish i could
It reminds me of what happened to Benedict Cumberbatch when he was starting becoming big because of Sherlock. I'm not sure if there's a video about it, but some fans mentioned a fan asked Benedict and his co-star Martin Freeman to read a fanfic about their characters. While reading it out loud, they felt uncomfortable because of some erotic scenes in it. Last thing I heard, that certain fan was bash by other fans.
There's been studies suggesting that becoming a celebrity is genuinely traumatic.
The man is not on social media anymore and I can’t blame him. It really sucks how the media will just overstep boundaries constantly each stepping a little bit farther to gain more clicks and views. If this was a female actress and they showed those tweets sexualizing her I think we would be more willing to acknowledge that what is happening is sexual harassment. I think heartthrob culture has been a thing for forever, but in recent years it has been seen as profitable to pander to fandom and that is made a lot easier with the use of social media. This phenomenon has been a thing since the 60s at least(please look to how young women treated Leonard Nimoy and Spock for example). I think it’s great that female sexuality is less frowned upon, But the fact that we as a culture have not stepped back and looked at the double standards we have for how fans interact with male and female actors is disappointing.
I'm SO GLAD to see a video like this and I want to see more of them. I am full-on about to write an entire actual real ESSAY about how gosh darn WEIRD and objectifying and dehumanizing celebrity culture is and I'm gathering more and more case studies every day. I think about Billie Eilish, whose most recent album contains at LEAST two songs directly addressing how horrible fame really is and how she wasn't prepared to deal with the consequences of just Being A Talented Human Being Who Exists Online And In The Public Eye.
It's disgusting that she even has to address that. It's disgusting that people think they're entitled to a person just because they're famous. It's disgusting that the justification I hear so often when I bring up how weird it is to treat people like this is, "Well, they decided to become a celebrity, so they're asking for it."
Hey, news flash??? Most of the time, if you want to make a real living off of nothing but, say, acting, singing, voice acting, these artistic mediums that place you somewhat in the public, you HAVE to take off and become known in some way. Billie didn't ask to be objectified and stripped of her humanity and SO public that people judge her for every little choice she makes, she just asked to be a musician and make music and make a living off of that.
Pedro Pascal didn't set out to become "the internet's daddy," he just picked up projects he likes and set out to act because he LOVES acting and he wanted to make it a feasible career.
Is there some leeway there where you CAN be successful without being a celebrity? Yes, I'm sure there is. But the fact remains that none of these celebrities (with some exceptions, I'm sure some people actively encourage this sort of behavior because they like that kind of attention) made the deliberate choice to dehumanize themselves and objectify themselves. WE made that choice. WE are the ones creating a celebrity culture where people who are just human beings can feel unsafe just meeting up with other normal people because oopsy, the media has seen you with another individual, clearly you're dating and we should all be mad!
Don't even get me STARTED on idol culture in South Korea and Japan, that is a WHOLE new level of this, but my point is...celebrities are just human beings who happened to catch on and get really successful and famous for doing what they love to do. None of them asked to be treated like, to use your metaphor, a shiny octopus in a touch tank. The response shouldn't be to roll over and not bother making any sort of change because they asked for it by being chucked into the touch tank, so to speak--the response should be to build an enclosure around the touch tank and maybe make it not so touchable anymore. (This metaphor is quickly falling apart lol oops)
Sorry for the essay I'm preparing for the real actual 50 page research paper I WILL use my college English degree on, but I am just so passionate about this topic and I always get on a soapbox when it's brought up, it should NOT be hard to just treat celebrities with the same basic respect we treat other strangers. And yes, I did say OTHER strangers, because WE DO NOT KNOW THESE PEOPLE. Unless there are extenuating circumstances.
Am I saying we're not allowed to like celebrities? We can't enjoy their music and love watching them in interviews and follow them on social media because we enjoy hearing what they have to say? Of course not, being a fan of someone and their work is perfectly fine! It's when it crosses the line into things like this that I start to think change needs to happen. Overanalyzing every aspect of someone's life under a microscope and judging or sexualizing them for it is VERY different from, say, wanting to see them in concert and get an autograph because you love singing along to their music in the car. It's appreciation versus objectification.
Anywho! I would love to possibly cite this video as a source when I finally actually write this essay just to show I'm not the only person concerned about this! Thank you for speaking up!
THANK YOUUUUUUU !!! it annoys the shit out of me when I see people say things like "he/she knows what they're doing" like no they dont ??? theyre just giving an interview. I feel bad for pedro that its now in like every interview hes asked about it. Like i wish we could just keep it online so he doesnt have to rlly see or deal w it.
thank you! i have been feeling the same way but didn't know how to explain my ick. I like Pedro too! I get the hype! But I also want to tell everyone to just leave him alone. the current "stan culture" means that a lot of people have no concept of boundaries anymore and it's a really worrying trend because where is the line?
summarised so many things ive been feeling lately!! (as always) thank you!
I've seen this happen to a few male celebrities now over the years, and even when they point out that they are a bit weirded out, the general reaction is. "Suck it up" / "Now you know how women feel so I don't care".
Idris Elba is a good example. There was a point where people would take every pic of him and zoom in on his crotch and talk about the outline (this weirdly happens a lot with any "hot" celeb that wears sweatpants). There was even a like blog dedicated to it. When Idris talked about being weirded out people basically told him to get over it.
Fun note, the guy who made that "let people enjoy things comic" has since made a comic of him taking that very comic and shooting it in the back of the head. Just a funny and lighthearted way to address that people are using the idea in a way he never intended or meant by it.
This was the first time you’ve made a video where I thought, oh fuck… is this me? And the way you approach this topic with such respect, nuance, and an understanding for why people have reacted the way they do is why I love your channel. I’ve obviously shared the memes and am genuinely attracted to the man but I also know he is a person. This is a fantastic think to bring up that I honestly haven’t thought about specifically because he is a man and that’s on me. This kind of strange attention affects him just like it would a woman and I should have realized that.
It’s very cool that you acknowledge your mistake. I’m also very attracted and even attached (which is strange cuz I don’t know him) to Pedro. Attraction is normal and I don’t think we should feel bad for it. But certain lines must never be crossed with online comments. I keep most of my thoughts to myself and most fans (minors for the most part, which makes it worst) fail to do that.
We should always remember that celebs (male celebs in that case) have feelings and can feel uncomfortable just like us women do. + Pedro has tiktok which is another reason to watch our mouth and be respectful !
Don't worry, it's great that you realized it's wrong! Not many people do that, they turn deaf and continue doing this kind of stuff...so as long as u don't continue this kind of behavior you're good
And the problem is things like fanfics reinforce this idea that we can shape these people into our desires. I’m terrified of fan fiction because it can be taken so far without any pushback and that in itself is dangerous. I don’t mind fanfic that is based on fictional characters because those characters are NOT real! This is something I think we really need to consider.
This is a daddy kink and it's weird to announce it publicly. Yeah, he seems cool but no matter the celebrity, their fandom is always doing THE MOST. The epidemic of loneliness and lack of intimacy has bred this kind of behavior. Don't get me wrong, everyone has kinks, but we're so lonely that we're announcing it publicly. We gotta reel it in folks.
Exactly. Now, having a kink or a fetish (behind closed doors) is considered a bad thing, thanks to the reckless media.
I think there's a blurry line between appreciation and objectification these days. I'm an old and some things I think it's okay to save for the group chat.
What I’ve also noticed is that when fans are done obsessing over a celebrity they will find something to “cancel” them for or find an “ick,” and then the fans do a complete 180. I also love the point you made about it potentially being fetishization.
This kind of reminds me of that semi viral moment of Clario singing about sexual assault and then someone screaming. 'You're so hot!' Imagine that response in a different context. Maybe a friend or someone who feels comfortable with you opens up to you about a very vulnerable, very traumatic event; and in response, you scream at them, "You're so hot!" It's like thinking their pain/trauma was a joke and you didn't care at all
Poor thing! I feel really bad for celebs. Like yeah, they are public figures but they're still people and I would totally feel uncomfortable with random strangers saying that sorta shit about me.
please tell me aioli is real kuncan :( i’m still traumatized from the stirfry incident
the stirfry incident did make me yell at my laptop in shock, we need justice dunc
pls what was the stirfry incident??
@@julianna6300 in his last video he said he lied about having a new cat named stirfry
@@toast_ghost143 for what?😭 rip stirfry
I think it's definitely worth noting that the men given the moniker of "internet daddy" have been latino and poc (Pedro Pascal, Oscar Isaac, Keanu Reeves). There's absolutely a racial fetishization thing happening there.
I have seen others too like Chris Evans, Sebastian Stan, Aaron Taylor Johnson, Henry Cavill, Brad Pitt just to name a few who aren’t poc.
I kind of wish Duncan had mentioned this when he pointed out the other possible reasons that we may be seeing Pedro objectified in this way could be because of his gender. Obligatory I know women aren't always taken seriously when they speak up on sexual harassment, assault, and objectification, nor are they always respected, and when everybody is suffering from issues it's not a competition or a display on one upmanship to point out issues other people face when the conversation isn't about 1 specific group or problem, but I feel like there's still a heavy connotation that objectification is a thing done to woem by men almost exclusively, and combined with the sexist stereotype that men are always down for sex and sexy thoughts and that they'd just love to objectified, I feel like tthat could be a contributing factor as to why some people think it's okay to treat Pedro Pascal like this whereas I think there'd be way more pushback, and I'd probably hear about it on the news or social media long before a 100k sub channel had to inform me this was going on, if this recently happened to a rising female celebrity.
Aioli looks almost exactly like my 14 year old cat that I’ve had since I was 3/4. So mf adorable.
thank you for talking about this, I haven't seen anybody mention it yet and it's definitely an important discussion
I hate how normal it has become, to call people "daddy/mommy" in a sexual way...
it’s been
I thought we as a society already condemn sexual harassment, so why do most people on the Internet sexually harrass everybody that is conventionally attractive 🤔
thank goodness for this video, this is EVERYTHING I have been thinking about lately!!
Me too! And I have to say, speaking as a retired Pro-Domme, the way that the "straight" world has started calling every handsome man over 30 "daddy" *really* creeps me out in the same way that attempting to read "50 Shades of Abuse and Bad Writing" did. It makes me feel like I need a shower. In an autoclave.
the video having the evie lupine stamp of approval just made me love it more!!
Tbh I think the main issue is society's weird sense of entitlement to lives of public figures. We have this idea that if I person is in the public eye by choice they then must forfeit their right to privacy and boundaries. They cease to be people to us, to be human. They become commodities to be consumed, which is absolutely horrendous. Being in the public eye should not strip you of your right to boundaries and privacy
I’ll be honest, as a man, this is something that makes deconstructing masculine gender expectations-specifically about sexual prowess-hard, especially as we’ve condemned women celebrities being treated this way but seem to celebrate men facing the same problem. Now I know this isn’t true across the board, I’m speaking about it FEELS, rather than how people react to men individually, and I think the way our culture makes men feel is also very important.
It’s hard to feel like I’d ever be valued for who I am within a culture that, yes, is now appreciating more gentle and kind men, but also appears to want to maintain the gender expectations of strength and standard attractiveness and generally most parts of standard masculinity BUT the personality that used to come with them. That’s a step forward to be sure but it does create a feeling of being trapped a little bit-kinda like “Deconstruct male gender norms, just not the ones I like”
So it feels like we’re still supposed to fit in a box that’s got a lot of the same expectations, just not all of them. Which if I’m being honest, does seem like it leaves a lot of men vulnerable to someone like Andrew Tate to a certain extent-though obviously it’s far from the only contributor to his appeal
I know this might be controversial though, I’m willing to hear anyone out
150% agree with you on this! I don’t know if anyone else does this but when a celebrity blows up suddenly I sometimes have the urge to follow them on Instagram but then I’m like… they don’t need this pressure from me? Idk if that makes sense but I don’t want to be another pair of eyes watching them during what I can imagine to be a stressful time to suddenly be noticed by all of the internet. I worry a lot about being another number and stressing someone out.
I agree with this whole video, his treatment online and in some of those interviews have made me uncomfortable. (same with the mommy meme, it became way too common to call strangers online that..) But what I really wanted to thank you for was giving up your chair for Aioli❤ she’s so cuuuuteeee
anyone feel this way about alexa demie? she was a woman that decided to keep her life private and the entire internet deemed her this dark seductive mysterious woman soley for the fact she’s really attractive and private about herself. like, they just completely created this whole persona for her and its fucking crazy jesus. its so creepy how oversaturated her popularity became with a specific looking personality type that they slapped on her.
I think an important thing to recognize (with Pedro Pascal in particular) is that often interacting with some of the meme culture surrounding them or their roles is their job. That being said, just because something is a person's job doesn't mean that it gives the public the okay to do whatever they want to the person (or with their "headcanons" around a person). It shouldn't be that the point where a line is drawn is when a celebrity tells the media or the public to stop (although there's another entire conversation about some facets of the media using someone saying stop as a reason to continue, escalate, or tell the public to hate a person), but rather its important to recognize that as a general audience, we need to be willing to accept that celebrities are not *just* what we see, and that it's pretty weird to conflate people to their appearances (particularly actors to their roles). Just because a person gains fame, or chooses to take up a career in the public eye shouldn't strip them of any right to privacy, and I wish there were more discussions of appropriate boundaries across all different forms of public figures
Hey Kuncan, just wanted to say I love your content! It's a perfect blend of calming and educational, keep up the good work 😊💚
i feel like the media is a huge part of this issue. i personally think it's fine to thirst after someone or write fanfiction as long as you don't actively tag people in it and demand their attention and/or comment on it. those reporters asking inappropriate questions are the real problem here
thank you!!! I hate the reading thirst tweets thing it’s basically harassment
I dont get how some of these interviewers are so comfortable and giggly while shoving smut to pedro pascal’s face
I was getting groceries earlier and thinking abt this (specifically in reference to F1nn5ter, not Pedro Pascal, but it was the same idea). People treat public figures like little objects we get to hold in our head and play with however we like. But they are full, distinct human beings. The only part of their life that we’re privy to is a small fraction, and it’s wrong for us to assume that’s a wholistic representation of who they are, but I’d also say that it’s wrong for us to speculate and make assumptions and assertions about the parts we don’t know. The small fraction of their life is all we have awareness of, and it’s wrong to pretend like we get to decide what the rest of who they are is like just because it’s personally amusing to us
Honestly, I was there when the trend started, I watched that one tiktok edit everyone knows and I was like, oh this man is someone I would watch a movie for. This got me into his work, and I stalked his interviews and insta for a bit, and he's honestly a good person. Like, he's so nice. His instagram username is not his name which is SO rare for celebrities, in all of his interviews he's laughing, he's got this father attitude towards his younger costars, he's honestly good. And honestly, even though I was watching like aaaaall of the edits, I saw the Vanity Fair post about the Oscars and they're calling him "daddy" and I was like woah this is kind of wild. Like, stop. And I'm so scared that because of all of this he will start being less like himself and just draw himself back into a usual distant celebrity role. He is so nice for that to happen to him. Like please, as you said, let us all be gentle.
First song was from Sonic Battle Adventure 2 btw
It's easy to relate to this as a femme. I'm just going about my business, being a person, trying to do a thing. Suddenly, some weirdo will remind me I'm a sex object by staring at my chest too long or saying something inappropriate. It's gotten more and more rare as people have realized how obvious and not-ok it is to be that way toward women. It seems like it's considered okay because we have this idea that men are happy with being objectified. Of course, context matters in all cases and people will have varying reactions to it.
i love pedro as an actor and i couldnt have said any of this better myself. however! there is one thing i have to disagree with. din was so funny for the using your head joke. hes so funny all the time. i'd also like the name of the writer but to shake hands with and perhaps nominate for an award for silly one liners that gave me a sensible chuckle
you know what if this was Din trying to be a lighter guy in the moment then I really do like it
This video is like a breath of fresh air. If you tell people there’s a line between being a fan of a celebrity and objectifying and glorifying another human being, you’re a hater.
It's hilarious bc I had no idea everyone called him daddy, but the FIRST thing I thought when I watched the last of us was...I would LITERALLY trust him with my first born child
Which means I feel like we all subconsciously just see him as a comforting and safe person
Hit the mail on the head with that one. The populations view on the term “daddy” has been skewed and turned into a sexual word. In the context of Pedro Pascal the term daddy is what it originally meant father figure and a lot of people stand by that. Is he handsome yes but his personality and just his oddly paternal nature is what people are being attracted too
the real celebrity is seeing grace's cat in the video, aioli i would die for you, really good video dunc but aioli is more important
So happy you made this video!! I absolutely adore this man and I have been uncomfortable with how he's being treated 😅
I feel like what makes the clips so hard to watch is that Pascal
- Had to leave Chile after a CIA-Backed Coup lead to the death of the country’s elected Socialist President (who was his great-uncle),
- Is militantly Pro-Trans, and
- Worked his ass off for over twenty years before finally getting a breakout role.
Not that that’s what he should be interviewed about, but come on. He’s a professional; not a toy. Treat him with respect.
thank you; i "thirst" for this man in a way that I am just so so proud he is able to have this.
fuck transphobes
What so many people don't understand is how uncomfortable and oftentimes risky it can be to stand up for yourself and demand that these types of comments stop
Gentle vibes, kind thoughts, thanks!
The new Catpanion is a chatty lil' sweetie. Hope the feline adjustments go smoothly.
Last video we got kitty baited with stir fry. Now you actually have a kitty. Clickbait turned reality. What a sweetheart. Good for you.
Kuncan you are quickly becoming one of my favorite youtubers because of your nuanced takes and I love your cat