Thanks Larry for the video. I am a huge fan of DCC Concepts and find myself now eyeballing their circuit breaker (and screw driver set) after this video as I have already purchased the IP motor, locomotive current detectors, and Alpha meter. I want to note that I also like the innovations at DCC Specialties and Im exited to try their PSXX- AR coming out soon (Im on backorder) , once I have this issue resolved with the PSXX it should make for a great combo as your other videos point out. I will share the solution or reason to the IP Digital /PSXX short once I figure it out (with the help of tech support from DCC Concepts and DCC Specialties). Unfortunately issue may not be as exciting as a device fault but could easily be me the user as I am very new to the hobby. Already I see comments/recommendations to the video and I am trying them as I come across them. A Big thanks to you and the community here for the help.
Are you using DCC powerbus to power the trains and IPDs? DCC bus wire should not go in the IPD terminals 7, 8 & 9, these terminals are for the throw switches only. If you are using DC to power the IPD's and DCC to power the trains, the frog wire needs to be in terminal 6 with left and right rail DCC feeds in terminals 4 and 5. DC power to the IPDs needs to bein terminals 1 and 2. Whichever method is used, the correct polarity needs to be observed across all IPDs. HTH.
@@1701_FyldeFlyer Thanks Flyer for your input. I do not know exactly what you mean (Im new to this) but red what you said a few times and hope I am understanding it. I will take a stab at an answer. I am using DCC Power Bus from the ESU Cab Controller (Verified using my Alpha Meter which shows as DCC current) I plug in from the power bus to the IP Digital Motor (is this what you mean by an IPD?) which is only able to use DCC current according to the manual and wire that into the first two terminals each labeled "DCC in" which I assume is what you would call terminal 1 & 2. Also not I do not have the frog wired as I have no track in this scenario [Power -->PSXX-->IP Digital Motor] Did I interpret what you are saying correctly and if so did I answer your question(s).
Hi, I have unresolved shorting issues with the PSXX. I have been using multiple PSXs for years without issue & bought 6 PSXXs for an expanded layout with many digital IP machines. Shorts everytime I throw a pair (or more) of machines, or with either of a couple of new sound locos trying to start (they will run fine if already rolling from adjacent booster district) & even just turning on a 12v taillight globe. Bench testing reveals the same with multiple different machines & multiple different PSXXs yet no problem with any PSX. Next to no help available from suppliers other than to blame each other's products. DCC specialties suggested the solution of setting the trip current to 8 or more amps which seems a bit redundant with a 5 amp booster. So thats all I have been able to do.
I just spoke with Larry Maier at DCC Specialties and have some more info. They have discovered a couple of issues that might be the cause of your problems. First, if you have a DCC system that supports RailCom such as ESU or TCS, then that can be a problem. Apparently when RailCom is turned on it turns track power off and on at regular intervals, like every couple hundred milliseconds. It does this so it can talk to the decoders on the layout. Now every time the power comes back on it creates a power surge which the PSXX detects as an overcurrent situation. Dirty track can also cause a similar situation. At any rate this can result in the PSXX shutting down. So if you have Railcom turned on then as a test try turning it off in your command station and see if that fixes the problem. If not then try cleaning your track. To address this issue Larry has developed a new firmware version that will allow users to tell the PSXX to ignore these short duration current surges and not shut down. This will be available on new units in a couple of weeks and you also should be able to get your older PSXX boards updated to this new firmware. I also suggest you contact Larry directly via email at larry@tonystrains.com as he may have additional questions and suggestions for you. Now this is not an issue with the older PSX boards in that they do not have the same circuitry that monitors the current surges and clamps them down the way the PSXX does.
@@TheDCCGuy Thank you Larry - appreciated. I will make contact again with DCC Specialties. My DCC System is Lenz, so yes, RailCom is supported however my shorts are only when certain (although numerous) extra loads (eg switch machines) commence. So unless the on/off surges being suggested as attributable to RailCom are amplified considerably by additional, & somewhat minor, loads I wouldn't have expected identification as a short. Particularly as one of the improvements of the PSXX (as I understand it) is the ability to determine 'true shorts' vs discharged capacitors/sound decoders/stayalives etc. Thanks again & I will let you know the outcomes.
Larry my first suggestion would be to isolate the cabling from the PSXX2 to the layout and just wire an Digital IP motor to the output of the PSXX2. That should then show if the PSXX2 is faulty if it trips when switching the point motor. I am like you it would be very hard to think it is anything more than bad wiring somewhere on the layout.
Hi Peter. Thanks for providing the suggestion. I have my ESU Cab Controller wired directly to the PSXX and from their wired directly to the IP digital and it does trip when I switch the motor. I also tried to do it with another IP Digital switch and I get the same issue. As I am new to this hobby (Just started a couple of months ago) I too believe it could have been faulty wiring so I re-wired the simple layout described above and kept it as simple as possible and the same problem occurred. In your opinion would this indicate an error with the PSXX? I have also I have reached out to DCC Specialties and DCC Concepts for support and will post what I find on this site.
@@JasonEdwards-kt3hg I know it is easy to swap a wire around when wiring up a layout. Being careful, sometimes I still manage to get wires swapped. I think it happens when I get distracted by something. Have you tried the elimination method? Unplug the IPs except the one nearest the PSXX. Does it short when thrown? If not, plug in the next one, does it short? Then keep going until you get a short. If the first IP did short, then what kind of turnout are you using? Is it setup for DCC? If electrofrog is it isolated? I tend to put my turnout motors on a separate buss from track. I experience this recently using Tortoise switch machines. I had been cutting track, a piece flew off to somewhere, every time the switch was thrown I had a short. So, i isolated that section and I still had a short. Finally running my fingers between the rails I found that piece of cutoff rail between the rails. It had landed just right to cause a short.
The TVS diode on the DCC Concepts snubber appears to be a bipolar TVS diode. Hence, it is really two "back to back" diodes to clamp an AC signal at a certain voltage. If it was a unipolar TVS diode, it would have an end marking stripe just like a common diode.
Yes, I didn’t want to dive into the technical aspects of TVS diodes. However the symbol on the board did indicate a bidirectional TVS. It comprises 2 facing triangles with a vertical line between them. Unfortunately I cannot see enough of what is printed on the device to determine the component rating but I would suspect 20 volts or so since the decoders are rated at 22 by NMRA standards.
Larry, Is it that he has an auxiliary bus, that he has got his IP digital switch motors connected to, if so this will cause the shorting, as frog wire takes feed from the switch motor supply. This is the one main down side to these IP digital switch machines as you cannot feed them from an auxiliary bus, they must be feed from the track power that goes to the switch.
Solution to IP Digital Motors Tripping PSXX: After taking to Larry Maier (PSXX Designer) at DCC Specialties my attention was brought to my power supply (ESU Cab Controller). After programming the PSXX then rebooting my power supply (full shut down and restart) I no longer have the issue and can run multiple switches, locomotives etc without a short. I tried this multiple times and every time I programmed the PSXX then tried to use the switched (power on/off track) the switches would fail. Every time I program the PSXX and power on and off the entire Cab Controller after programming I do not experience the issue. I have no idea why this was the case and certainly did not expect these results. I have reached out to ESU for a possible explanation.
I have a dozen or more IP Digital machines and the previus generation PSX . Absolutely no issues at all. Peco Electro Frog points can cause problems if they have not been set up well and the frog polarity is causing shorts...... Just a thought.
Thanks Andrew, I just have the motor hooked directly to the the PSXX no Frog wired as a test. I still get the short. Larry tried this and he does not get a short. I am getting a lot of good comments about Frog issues and hopefully when I get there I can avoid these issues. I have a Peco Unifrog waiting to be added to my layout but being new I have just been trying out the components at this point. I promise to share the reason/solution to this community even if its "user error" which it could well be.
@@JasonEdwards-kt3hg hi Jason, all I can suggest is: test with a second motor if you have one. Reset the PSXX to factory defaults and test again. Reach out directly to DCC Concepts. I have had good support from them in the past and they replaced an iffy motor for me without quibbling. Reach out to the PSXX manufacturer. Sorry if I am saying stuff you have already tried. Good luck.
@@andrewdonald2770 Thanks Andrew. I have tried a second motor and had the same issue. I have also reached out to DCC Specialties and DCC concepts and both were fairly quick in their responses something you don't see in many companies. It now appears there may be a compatibility issue with PSXX and ESU power supply. I wrote a new commend to this video thanking everyone....that includes you, so thank you for providing your support.
What would happen if several point motors were being thrown at the same time? This happens frequently when I run trains automatically. Could that cause it? Just a thought.
Larry I have a few IP Digital switch machines and I have now problems I use NCE EB1 I am building a staging yard and planning to using IP Digiital switch machines. My guess his problem is a reverse loop situation on his layout
Intersting video as usual. Have you ever considerred covering DCC EX (previously DCC++)? For small and medium sized layouts it is a considierably less expensive method of controling a DCC layout than any comercial products on the market and is relatively easy to implement with Open Source standards as published by the NMRA. Please accept my appologies if you have been asked and answered this question previouly.
I have been asked but to be honest I am so backed up just covering off the shelf products I just don’t have time to get into a DIY system. If I did go down that road I would likely be overwhelmed with questions from folks attempting to build these and having their own issues. For the same reason I avoid Arduinos and Raspberry Pi-both potential time sinks that someone else can devote an entire RUclips channel to-feel free to jump in there!
Does your Digitrax boosters turn track power on when you power up your power supply but the command station just sits offline? Then you have to power down boosters with the remote then reposed the command station so everything turns on together???
Hey Larry. I notice in ur intro that u have a big steam running. What radius do u have it running on??? I was just wondering cuz I have big steam too and starting my layout. I getting different radius size. What do u think will b a good radius? Thank u and great videos
My smallest radius is 30” in the helix. On the mainline it’s 36”. I have one old brass J class 4-8-4 that can’t take the 30” radius but all the rest can. You just need to be mindful of the min radius your locos are designed to take. I’ll show you the steam fleet on Friday.
Thank u for ur information. That really helps me alot. The only other problem I'm having is how I want to do my layout in the space I have. I'm no cad expert. I only know as I build. Again thank u.
One option is to dig through old issues of MR or get a copy of their book of previously published track plans. Find ones about the same size as your room, makes copies, then cut and paste to create a version you like.
With regards the decoder short circuit protection, I'm given to understand that the unit should be installed at the end of the run, however I cannot use them because my layout is wired like 3 ring mains, one for each of the 3 levels. Although I have had locos coming onto the point from the non set direction, which stops the trains on that level. I don't seem to have had any decoder problems. I am using lamps in series with each of the 3 levels individually so only the level with the problem will be affected. The lamps simply light up which limits the current on each level. Do you know of any device which I can use, that can be inserted in the circuits which feeds the ring mains? My track output goes through an Alpha meter, then is split into 3 circuits for the lamps which feed the layout levels. So the Alpha meter voltage and current is showing totals for the whole layout.
No, these are just like the circuit breakers in your home, they need to be between the moan power source and the circuit wiring they protect. It is the RC filters/Bus Suppressors that go at the end of the power bus wires.
Thanks Larry. I have been incorporating a large number of DCC Concepts products into my layout. Their Intelligent Circuit Breaker arrived this week. I wanted to ask you about proper placement of Buss Suppressors, Snubbers, etc. Since the DCC equipment is attached at the mid point of the red/black buss would it be proper to put a buss suppressor at each end of the buss to terminate the buss?
My guess is that his turnouts are not DCC friendly - he is using the switch on the Cobalt motor to switch the polarity of the frog and switch rails - the Cobalt isn’t perfectly installed and the switch rail is still in contact with the stock rail but the Cobalt switch has changed giving a short…..
Thanks Bill, for your input. To clarify I have run a test with Power supply --> PSXX --> IP Digital motor and no hook up to a track and I seem to get the short. Larry tried this set up and did not get the short. My next step may be to take the PSXX to my local store and see if they are willing to try it. If they get the same issue it will have to bee the PSXX component. Im open to any other thoughts/suggestions or tests you think I can try.
@@billflude5204 No apologies needed, you gave me information that i may need when i start laying out track and turnouts. everything is new for me so Frog wiring issues will be another challenge for me. So than you.
Hi Jason. I too am new to the modelling world. My issue came about when I gave a separate power supply to the point motor and having to change the frog wire to another terminal in an electro fro turnout
@@JasonEdwards-kt3hg Hi Jason. I too am new to the modelling world. My problem came when I gave a seperate feed to the point motor and had to change the frog wire to another connection
Thanks another great Video, lots of good Advice. Keep safe.
Thanks Larry for the video. I am a huge fan of DCC Concepts and find myself now eyeballing their circuit breaker (and screw driver set) after this video as I have already purchased the IP motor, locomotive current detectors, and Alpha meter. I want to note that I also like the innovations at DCC Specialties and Im exited to try their PSXX- AR coming out soon (Im on backorder) , once I have this issue resolved with the PSXX it should make for a great combo as your other videos point out.
I will share the solution or reason to the IP Digital /PSXX short once I figure it out (with the help of tech support from DCC Concepts and DCC Specialties). Unfortunately issue may not be as exciting as a device fault but could easily be me the user as I am very new to the hobby. Already I see comments/recommendations to the video and I am trying them as I come across them. A Big thanks to you and the community here for the help.
Are you using DCC powerbus to power the trains and IPDs? DCC bus wire should not go in the IPD terminals 7, 8 & 9, these terminals are for the throw switches only.
If you are using DC to power the IPD's and DCC to power the trains, the frog wire needs to be in terminal 6 with left and right rail DCC feeds in terminals 4 and 5. DC power to the IPDs needs to bein terminals 1 and 2.
Whichever method is used, the correct polarity needs to be observed across all IPDs. HTH.
@@1701_FyldeFlyer Thanks Flyer for your input. I do not know exactly what you mean (Im new to this) but red what you said a few times and hope I am understanding it. I will take a stab at an answer. I am using DCC Power Bus from the ESU Cab Controller (Verified using my Alpha Meter which shows as DCC current) I plug in from the power bus to the IP Digital Motor (is this what you mean by an IPD?) which is only able to use DCC current according to the manual and wire that into the first two terminals each labeled "DCC in" which I assume is what you would call terminal 1 & 2. Also not I do not have the frog wired as I have no track in this scenario [Power -->PSXX-->IP Digital Motor] Did I interpret what you are saying correctly and if so did I answer your question(s).
Very interesting video. And I really like the Screwdriver set. Thanks Larry.
Hi, I have unresolved shorting issues with the PSXX. I have been using multiple PSXs for years without issue & bought 6 PSXXs for an expanded layout with many digital IP machines. Shorts everytime I throw a pair (or more) of machines, or with either of a couple of new sound locos trying to start (they will run fine if already rolling from adjacent booster district) & even just turning on a 12v taillight globe. Bench testing reveals the same with multiple different machines & multiple different PSXXs yet no problem with any PSX. Next to no help available from suppliers other than to blame each other's products. DCC specialties suggested the solution of setting the trip current to 8 or more amps which seems a bit redundant with a 5 amp booster. So thats all I have been able to do.
I just spoke with Larry Maier at DCC Specialties and have some more info. They have discovered a couple of issues that might be the cause of your problems. First, if you have a DCC system that supports RailCom such as ESU or TCS, then that can be a problem. Apparently when RailCom is turned on it turns track power off and on at regular intervals, like every couple hundred milliseconds. It does this so it can talk to the decoders on the layout. Now every time the power comes back on it creates a power surge which the PSXX detects as an overcurrent situation. Dirty track can also cause a similar situation. At any rate this can result in the PSXX shutting down. So if you have Railcom turned on then as a test try turning it off in your command station and see if that fixes the problem. If not then try cleaning your track. To address this issue Larry has developed a new firmware version that will allow users to tell the PSXX to ignore these short duration current surges and not shut down. This will be available on new units in a couple of weeks and you also should be able to get your older PSXX boards updated to this new firmware. I also suggest you contact Larry directly via email at larry@tonystrains.com as he may have additional questions and suggestions for you. Now this is not an issue with the older PSX boards in that they do not have the same circuitry that monitors the current surges and clamps them down the way the PSXX does.
@@TheDCCGuy Thank you Larry - appreciated. I will make contact again with DCC Specialties. My DCC System is Lenz, so yes, RailCom is supported however my shorts are only when certain (although numerous) extra loads (eg switch machines) commence. So unless the on/off surges being suggested as attributable to RailCom are amplified considerably by additional, & somewhat minor, loads I wouldn't have expected identification as a short. Particularly as one of the improvements of the PSXX (as I understand it) is the ability to determine 'true shorts' vs discharged capacitors/sound decoders/stayalives etc. Thanks again & I will let you know the outcomes.
I suspect thecontributor has either configured their points incorrectly or more likely, wired the frog polarity wire into the IP Digital incorrectly.
can we get a comparison video between the dcc concepts circuit break and the PSXX circuit breaker
hello larry its is randy and i like video is cool thanks friends randy
Larry my first suggestion would be to isolate the cabling from the PSXX2 to the layout and just wire an Digital IP motor to the output of the PSXX2. That should then show if the PSXX2 is faulty if it trips when switching the point motor. I am like you it would be very hard to think it is anything more than bad wiring somewhere on the layout.
Hi Peter. Thanks for providing the suggestion. I have my ESU Cab Controller wired directly to the PSXX and from their wired directly to the IP digital and it does trip when I switch the motor. I also tried to do it with another IP Digital switch and I get the same issue. As I am new to this hobby (Just started a couple of months ago) I too believe it could have been faulty wiring so I re-wired the simple layout described above and kept it as simple as possible and the same problem occurred. In your opinion would this indicate an error with the PSXX? I have also I have reached out to DCC Specialties and DCC Concepts for support and will post what I find on this site.
@@JasonEdwards-kt3hg I know it is easy to swap a wire around when wiring up a layout. Being careful, sometimes I still manage to get wires swapped. I think it happens when I get distracted by something. Have you tried the elimination method? Unplug the IPs except the one nearest the PSXX. Does it short when thrown? If not, plug in the next one, does it short? Then keep going until you get a short. If the first IP did short, then what kind of turnout are you using? Is it setup for DCC? If electrofrog is it isolated? I tend to put my turnout motors on a separate buss from track. I experience this recently using Tortoise switch machines. I had been cutting track, a piece flew off to somewhere, every time the switch was thrown I had a short. So, i isolated that section and I still had a short. Finally running my fingers between the rails I found that piece of cutoff rail between the rails. It had landed just right to cause a short.
The TVS diode on the DCC Concepts snubber appears to be a bipolar TVS diode. Hence, it is really two "back to back" diodes to clamp an AC signal at a certain voltage. If it was a unipolar TVS diode, it would have an end marking stripe just like a common diode.
Yes, I didn’t want to dive into the technical aspects of TVS diodes. However the symbol on the board did indicate a bidirectional TVS. It comprises 2 facing triangles with a vertical line between them. Unfortunately I cannot see enough of what is printed on the device to determine the component rating but I would suspect 20 volts or so since the decoders are rated at 22 by NMRA standards.
Larry, Is it that he has an auxiliary bus, that he has got his IP digital switch motors connected to, if so this will cause the shorting, as frog wire takes feed from the switch motor supply. This is the one main down side to these IP digital switch machines as you cannot feed them from an auxiliary bus, they must be feed from the track power that goes to the switch.
Solution to IP Digital Motors Tripping PSXX:
After taking to Larry Maier (PSXX Designer) at DCC Specialties my attention was brought to my power supply (ESU Cab Controller). After programming the PSXX then rebooting my power supply (full shut down and restart) I no longer have the issue and can run multiple switches, locomotives etc without a short. I tried this multiple times and every time I programmed the PSXX then tried to use the switched (power on/off track) the switches would fail. Every time I program the PSXX and power on and off the entire Cab Controller after programming I do not experience the issue.
I have no idea why this was the case and certainly did not expect these results. I have reached out to ESU for a possible explanation.
Excellent, this is great news. Thanks for doing the footwork with Larry Maier and getting back with the solution.
@@TheDCCGuy Thanks again Larry for all your help. Looking forwards to your next video.
I have a dozen or more IP Digital machines and the previus generation PSX . Absolutely no issues at all. Peco Electro Frog points can cause problems if they have not been set up well and the frog polarity is causing shorts...... Just a thought.
Thanks Andrew, I just have the motor hooked directly to the the PSXX no Frog wired as a test. I still get the short. Larry tried this and he does not get a short. I am getting a lot of good comments about Frog issues and hopefully when I get there I can avoid these issues. I have a Peco Unifrog waiting to be added to my layout but being new I have just been trying out the components at this point. I promise to share the reason/solution to this community even if its "user error" which it could well be.
@@JasonEdwards-kt3hg hi Jason, all I can suggest is: test with a second motor if you have one. Reset the PSXX to factory defaults and test again. Reach out directly to DCC Concepts. I have had good support from them in the past and they replaced an iffy motor for me without quibbling. Reach out to the PSXX manufacturer. Sorry if I am saying stuff you have already tried. Good luck.
@@andrewdonald2770 Thanks Andrew. I have tried a second motor and had the same issue. I have also reached out to DCC Specialties and DCC concepts and both were fairly quick in their responses something you don't see in many companies. It now appears there may be a compatibility issue with PSXX and ESU power supply. I wrote a new commend to this video thanking everyone....that includes you, so thank you for providing your support.
What would happen if several point motors were being thrown at the same time? This happens frequently when I run trains automatically.
Could that cause it? Just a thought.
Larry I have a few IP Digital switch machines and I have now problems I use NCE EB1 I am building a staging yard and planning to using IP Digiital switch machines. My guess his problem is a reverse loop situation on his layout
Intersting video as usual. Have you ever considerred covering DCC EX (previously DCC++)? For small and medium sized layouts it is a considierably less expensive method of controling a DCC layout than any comercial products on the market and is relatively easy to implement with Open Source standards as published by the NMRA. Please accept my appologies if you have been asked and answered this question previouly.
I have been asked but to be honest I am so backed up just covering off the shelf products I just don’t have time to get into a DIY system. If I did go down that road I would likely be overwhelmed with questions from folks attempting to build these and having their own issues. For the same reason I avoid Arduinos and Raspberry Pi-both potential time sinks that someone else can devote an entire RUclips channel to-feel free to jump in there!
@@TheDCCGuy Thanks for the reply. You do such a wonderful job at explaining things I though it might be an avenue worth exploring. Cheers!
Does your Digitrax boosters turn track power on when you power up your power supply but the command station just sits offline? Then you have to power down boosters with the remote then reposed the command station so everything turns on together???
Which command station and boosters are you using-I have about a dozen ranging in age up to 29 years.
@@TheDCCGuy command station is the dcs100 and the boosters are a db150 and db200+
Is that diode like a Zener diode?
Thanks for sharing your knowledge. 👍😊🙏
It works similar to a Zener but in this implementation it is like two facing in opposite directions. Look up transzorb for a complete explanation.
Hey Larry. I notice in ur intro that u have a big steam running. What radius do u have it running on??? I was just wondering cuz I have big steam too and starting my layout. I getting different radius size. What do u think will b a good radius? Thank u and great videos
My smallest radius is 30” in the helix. On the mainline it’s 36”. I have one old brass J class 4-8-4 that can’t take the 30” radius but all the rest can. You just need to be mindful of the min radius your locos are designed to take. I’ll show you the steam fleet on Friday.
Thank u for ur information. That really helps me alot. The only other problem I'm having is how I want to do my layout in the space I have. I'm no cad expert. I only know as I build. Again thank u.
One option is to dig through old issues of MR or get a copy of their book of previously published track plans. Find ones about the same size as your room, makes copies, then cut and paste to create a version you like.
With regards the decoder short circuit protection, I'm given to understand that the unit should be installed at the end of the run, however I cannot use them because my layout is wired like 3 ring mains, one for each of the 3 levels.
Although I have had locos coming onto the point from the non set direction, which stops the trains on that level. I don't seem to have had any decoder problems. I am using lamps in series with each of the 3 levels individually so only the level with the problem will be affected. The lamps simply light up which limits the current on each level.
Do you know of any device which I can use, that can be inserted in the circuits which feeds the ring mains?
My track output goes through an Alpha meter, then is split into 3 circuits for the lamps which feed the layout levels. So the Alpha meter voltage and current is showing totals for the whole layout.
No, these are just like the circuit breakers in your home, they need to be between the moan power source and the circuit wiring they protect. It is the RC filters/Bus Suppressors that go at the end of the power bus wires.
Thanks Larry. I have been incorporating a large number of DCC Concepts products into my layout. Their Intelligent Circuit Breaker arrived this week. I wanted to ask you about proper placement of Buss Suppressors, Snubbers, etc. Since the DCC equipment is attached at the mid point of the red/black buss would it be proper to put a buss suppressor at each end of the buss to terminate the buss?
Put them on both ends of the bus wires. For very long bus runs or very noisy wiring you can even add them at intermediate points.
My guess is that his turnouts are not DCC friendly - he is using the switch on the Cobalt motor to switch the polarity of the frog and switch rails - the Cobalt isn’t perfectly installed and the switch rail is still in contact with the stock rail but the Cobalt switch has changed giving a short…..
Thanks Bill, for your input. To clarify I have run a test with Power supply --> PSXX --> IP Digital motor and no hook up to a track and I seem to get the short. Larry tried this set up and did not get the short. My next step may be to take the PSXX to my local store and see if they are willing to try it. If they get the same issue it will have to bee the PSXX component. Im open to any other thoughts/suggestions or tests you think I can try.
Apologies - thought the problem was on a model railroad - not on a bench.
@@billflude5204 No apologies needed, you gave me information that i may need when i start laying out track and turnouts. everything is new for me so Frog wiring issues will be another challenge for me. So than you.
The only problems I had with the IP Digital points/turnouts was when I wired them up incorrectly
Hi Derrick, how did you wire them incorrect?....I am new to this so any information you can provide will help me avoid the same wiring mistake.
Hi Jason. I too am new to the modelling world. My issue came about when I gave a separate power supply to the point motor and having to change the frog wire to another terminal in an electro fro turnout
@@JasonEdwards-kt3hg Hi Jason. I too am new to the modelling world. My problem came when I gave a seperate feed to the point motor and had to change the frog wire to another connection
@@derrickpensom5429 Thanks. I will keep that in mind when I wire up my turnouts.
Cheap turnouts short out...?
What do you mean by when you were in England. I though you were British, No.
Nope, although by heritage I am English most of my ancestors have been in America since the mid-1600s.
@@TheDCCGuy Yea, I know, I made a mistake, and realized it after the posting. Sorry.