The ship owners should be counter seeing the city for inadequate safety measures to keep the bridge safe from ship strikes. After all that scenario has unfolded several times as a mayor incident in the usa before, and those new bridges are now well protected
Wow detained for an incident that realistically was out of there control. They were following orders from the captain so file charges against the captain
So if a plane crashes due to a mechanical error by the ground crew & technicians, it's not their fault because they were only following orders from the airline company to simply do their jobs...?!? 🙄
@@jonmccormick8683 No, harbor pilots do not take control of the vessel. The vessel's captain is always in control of his ship. The pilots are there to advise the captain.
Everyone is an opinion, get into the situation work out the legal kinks and whoever is at fault bring them to the table, oh wait a second, Baltimore City is decaying every single day because of the Democrats but don't worry well prosecute the people for the bridge collapse first?? Glad no one notices the real issues surrounding the failed legal system not only for Baltimore but for the entire country
@@ThatOpalGuy...so the port should provide towing. A similar near miss occurred in Charleston, SC about a month ago: engine stuck at full throttle Tokyo drifting out of the port... no tugs.
Unless the city has a bonafide claim with the Marshalls to have the ship arrested they can’t just say we don’t want them to leave. The city is trying to inject themselves into maritime law, which is historically not something they have any jurisdiction in.
What happened to the basic civil rights of the crew? How can they be held under basically house arrest indefinitely without charges or trial? BTW, That so called lawyer looks like the classic picture of an ambulance chaser
They are not citizens, and they dont have visas. There are way worse horror stories overseas, where guys have been forced to stay on abondoned ships that grounded or crashed for like years without support.
This has all the signs of the Captain, Chief Officer and Chief Engineer being hung out to dry by the vessel owners, so that they end up being responsible for the owners not maintaining the vessel, the Port failing to ensure that pilots and tugs are required at all times for transits under the bridge. Grace Ocean and Synergy will hide behind the corporate veil. We still have no idea who really owns the ship!
The City, State, FBI, and NTSB have had 85 DAYS to question the people on the ship (starting the day after the crash). The crash happened March 26, so with 21 people aboard the ship, that is 4 DAYS per person to question the crew. How much time to they need?
they want to keep more than half the crew in the city - at city's expense - just to potentially question them? it is very likely that none of the crew bears individual responsibility and even if: they wont pay the new bridge
What about the officials in the city and port of Baltimore, and in the NHTSA who, for monetary gain, allowed the continued usage of this lethally dangerous and unprotected bridge? Are they allowed to leave their homes or the country? They are much more guilty that the ship's operators because they allowed an ever-increasing size of ship to operated near this bridge knowing that a relatively normal malfunction could, and did, cause the bridge to collapse. It is their job to keep the public and the bridge safe, and they failed to provide protection for the bridge from ships of such size that they should never be allowed to come close to that bridge. Oh no, they can keep sitting in their comfortable offices, while ships engineers who conscientiously do their jobs are being accused by the real criminals. Heads must roll at the NHTSA, but that won't happen. The government makes the rules and keeps the criminally guilty government employees safe.
Am I crazy, but isn't that the lawyer from the HBO TV show "The Wire"? I think his name on the show was Billy Murphy and he was Senator Clay Davis's lawyer.
If only you were on board it could have been prevented. Even if you were the cook, you would have used your magical powers to prevent the tragedy, all while stirring your pot.
@@Mike-tu7uw Yes...but who knows their contract might have been almost done...as they stagger the crews. plus who knows their new contract might be expecting them
Do the parties want to arrive at the truth of what happened or to just minimise /maximise the liabilities involved. The two objectives can be mutually exclusive.
If they don't have the money, even if you sue and win you can't collect if they are broke, sure you can go after their assets but what if they don't have any?? Even if the judge slaps a judgement on them, broke is broke.
As most of the crew not responsible. All to be allowed to go home and if required and summoned. . This the accident not because of human error. How careful you are ,still there are accident happening when we drive the car. .
Has the dali been off loaded?? It looks pretty full yet. And will and has it seen any reparations as to what crippled the ship to begin with?? I've heard that it was having problems with the electrical system B4 it left it's original port. And had been having issues for quite some time B4 the accident. Just a cupple and question is all...
And don't expect the insurance to pay the full cost of replacing the bridge. One, the replacement cost will be to rebuild an identical bridge and then you have to subtract depreciation.
@@Dieselfueledwork Where you getting that number from? and that number of 2.4 billion is what is expected to be the max insurance payout, not the replacement cost of the bridge.
@@Dieselfueledwork doesn't matter what the size is. Insurance will only cover the cost of the exact same bridge that was destroyed. Key word is "exact". They want to make changes to the original design, insurance won't cover those changes.
another piece of puzzle. hmmmm. lot of infrastructure going down in USA last week or so eh? Weeeeeiiiirrrrrd. Oh are those jets scrambling in the air...........test excercizessssss......are the freeways blocked and states lighting on fire.........hot hot summer duhn dunnnnnn
They have homes... My dad worked on Ore boat on the Great Lakes when he was younger. He would work depending on the ship/company/contract a few weeks, have off a few weeks, work 45-60 days on and then X days off. If they were in port a few days, nothing happening they would take time off and head home. They get paid, but they can't really go anywhere except the ship, work changing schedules, unless they a. I can tell you never been away from home much... I went to Hawaii for work for 3 months, by 6 weeks, I didn't care how much $$ I was getting paid, when I got back I had a pile of mail, a list of 101 things to throw out, as it's lost time. I missed a whole summer of not using my boat, community events, etc.
Oh, the lawyers=sharks are circling... $$$$$$$$ is all they see and care about.
The ship owners should be counter seeing the city for inadequate safety measures to keep the bridge safe from ship strikes. After all that scenario has unfolded several times as a mayor incident in the usa before, and those new bridges are now well protected
Is the Dali going to be under it's own power or are tugs escorting it down the Chesapeake?
Wow detained for an incident that realistically was out of there control. They were following orders from the captain so file charges against the captain
Baltimore Harbor Pilots (2) took control of the ship with the captain and crew in operation of the ship (generally).
So if a plane crashes due to a mechanical error by the ground crew & technicians, it's not their fault because they were only following orders from the airline company to simply do their jobs...?!? 🙄
@@jonmccormick8683 No, harbor pilots do not take control of the vessel. The vessel's captain is always in control of his ship. The pilots are there to advise the captain.
Everyone is an opinion, get into the situation work out the legal kinks and whoever is at fault bring them to the table, oh wait a second, Baltimore City is decaying every single day because of the Democrats but don't worry well prosecute the people for the bridge collapse first?? Glad no one notices the real issues surrounding the failed legal system not only for Baltimore but for the entire country
The Captain decided to sail when the ship was having electrical problems.
Shame Just like the captain of the Titanic. Bad decisions, going too fast in the dark with known problems. Doing 2-4 billion in damage
The fault is with the Port of Baltimore and Maryland...... those bridge piers should have been shielded with mud, especially after the Tampa incident.
the ships using the port are FAR bigger than the ships that sailed when the bridge was built.
@@ThatOpalGuy...so the port should provide towing.
A similar near miss occurred in Charleston, SC about a month ago: engine stuck at full throttle Tokyo drifting out of the port... no tugs.
@@Sunset4Semaphoresand that bridge has inadequate protection from being hit too.
It is not the deckhands fault that African-Americans built the bridge
Unless the city has a bonafide claim with the Marshalls to have the ship arrested they can’t just say we don’t want them to leave. The city is trying to inject themselves into maritime law, which is historically not something they have any jurisdiction in.
What happened to the basic civil rights of the crew? How can they be held under basically house arrest indefinitely without charges or trial? BTW, That so called lawyer looks like the classic picture of an ambulance chaser
They are not citizens, and they dont have visas. There are way worse horror stories overseas, where guys have been forced to stay on abondoned ships that grounded or crashed for like years without support.
This has all the signs of the Captain, Chief Officer and Chief Engineer being hung out to dry by the vessel owners, so that they end up being responsible for the owners not maintaining the vessel, the Port failing to ensure that pilots and tugs are required at all times for transits under the bridge. Grace Ocean and Synergy will hide behind the corporate veil. We still have no idea who really owns the ship!
So why are the crew been treated like criminals
This is gitmo nation.
Because most likely some of them are incompetent and killed five people
Because they are members of a ship that knocked out the key bridge!!
@@My22lbAbby Oh, geez. You cannot fault the entire crew. You know that. "They are criminals" is pure BS.
@@My22lbAbby why's that
Good to see Joe Pesci playing the role of an attorney again.
The City, State, FBI, and NTSB have had 85 DAYS to question the people on the ship (starting the day after the crash).
The crash happened March 26, so with 21 people aboard the ship, that is 4 DAYS per person to question the crew. How much time to they need?
they want to keep more than half the crew in the city - at city's expense - just to potentially question them? it is very likely that none of the crew bears individual responsibility and even if: they wont pay the new bridge
What about the officials in the city and port of Baltimore, and in the NHTSA who, for monetary gain, allowed the continued usage of this lethally dangerous and unprotected bridge? Are they allowed to leave their homes or the country? They are much more guilty that the ship's operators because they allowed an ever-increasing size of ship to operated near this bridge knowing that a relatively normal malfunction could, and did, cause the bridge to collapse. It is their job to keep the public and the bridge safe, and they failed to provide protection for the bridge from ships of such size that they should never be allowed to come close to that bridge. Oh no, they can keep sitting in their comfortable offices, while ships engineers who conscientiously do their jobs are being accused by the real criminals. Heads must roll at the NHTSA, but that won't happen. The government makes the rules and keeps the criminally guilty government employees safe.
Something that I have always been told, America is the land of lawyers and Attorneys suing over which ant has the right to cross the street.
Has anybody seen that confounded bridge?
Nice reference.
Ya, it wen't down like a Led Zepplin
It left already.....
You’ll never see those crew members again!
In 3 days,india will change their identities!!
Am I crazy, but isn't that the lawyer from the HBO TV show "The Wire"? I think his name on the show was Billy Murphy and he was Senator Clay Davis's lawyer.
Yep Warren Brown and him getting that bag and yea the wire is correct $$$$$ Bling Bling
It's clearly the bridges fault. It was built across shipping lanes without adequate guards to prevent its damage and collapse.
One could argue that the city of Baltimore has some fault in the matter by allowing ships the size of the Dali into the port.
@@andrewschliewe6392and the MDTA, for not improving the bridge to handle the shipping traffic.
It is like living in a prison for those crew members. I can only think of the 6men who died a horrific death. This accident could of been avoided.
If only you were on board it could have been prevented. Even if you were the cook, you would have used your magical powers to prevent the tragedy, all while stirring your pot.
Sailing during COVID was worse. It’s does still suck for them, but 2020 and 2021 were the dark days as as far as crew restrictions and lockdowns.
@MHolt-yq5vg yes
My cousin Vinny is real and is really a lawyer. Too funny.
If the ship hadn’t had an accident these guys would still be on board the ship anyway so what’s the big deal? They stay on board 8 to 10 months anyway
Not necessarily....they have different contracts and terms.
Those filipino crew stay on board for a long time. Their contracts are long.
@@Mike-tu7uw Yes...but who knows their contract might have been almost done...as they stagger the crews. plus who knows their new contract might be expecting them
I'm so tired of hearing about the DOLLY. God bless 'em all.
@@My22lbAbby if i had a gal and she wouldn't dance. Tell ya what i'd do. Buy her a boat. Set her afloat. And paddle my own canoe.
Do the parties want to arrive at the truth of what happened or to just minimise /maximise the liabilities involved.
The two objectives can be mutually exclusive.
Glad crew is being changed out….
Wow, that lawyer see $s...kerching! "The most expensive sea case in history?", yep, if he has his way!
Hold on, when the "government" provides you with a hotel, that means "I" pay for it! And "I" don't like that.
If they don't have the money, even if you sue and win you can't collect if they are broke, sure you can go after their assets but what if they don't have any?? Even if the judge slaps a judgement on them, broke is broke.
A full new crew and immediate departure to Norfolk sounds like a odd choice. A full new crew takes time to get to know the ship.
As most of the crew not responsible.
All to be allowed to go home and if required and summoned. .
This the accident not because of human error. How careful you are ,still there are accident happening when we drive the car. .
Never to be seen again...
Has the dali been off loaded?? It looks pretty full yet.
And will and has it seen any reparations as to what crippled the ship to begin with?? I've heard that it was having problems with the electrical system B4 it left it's original port. And had been having issues for quite some time B4 the accident. Just a cupple and question is all...
Typical, "Lets Make A Deal"..
Where is the Dali going? Its hard to believe its crossing the Atlantic in that condition.
Going to a Virginia ship yard for repairs.
Ha you will never see them again.
Produced….really
Well, they have a point, the helmsman for the Costa Concordia fled Italy and was never seen again.
There were two Baltimore Port Pilots at the helm of the MV Dali
As long as they aren't steering.
Throttling, steering and maintaining the engine.
How did it lose power
Safety breakers between the high and low voltage systems
With cost over runs replacement WILL be well over the suggested pricetag. Informed statement based on past experience and common sense. 🤷
And don't expect the insurance to pay the full cost of replacing the bridge. One, the replacement cost will be to rebuild an identical bridge and then you have to subtract depreciation.
@@andrewschliewe6392the insurance only covers 390 mil. of a 2.4 billion dollar bridge.
@@Dieselfueledwork Where you getting that number from? and that number of 2.4 billion is what is expected to be the max insurance payout, not the replacement cost of the bridge.
@@andrewschliewe6392 similar sized bridge just finished being built.
@@Dieselfueledwork doesn't matter what the size is. Insurance will only cover the cost of the exact same bridge that was destroyed. Key word is "exact". They want to make changes to the original design, insurance won't cover those changes.
Isn't dude the most crooked lawyer in Baltimore?? 🤦🏽♀️
Yeah, departing the United States free as a bird. And the victims well, they’ll never get any justice
Some crew guy who makes like 1000 bucks a month is to blame ???
Having a blackout while maneuvering out of port has to be one of the worst situations you can be in as a mariner
Tell me, how was the ships cook at fault for killing 6 people? His assistant?
@@matzrat5006 who runs and manages and repairs the ships systems robots?😆
another piece of puzzle. hmmmm. lot of infrastructure going down in USA last week or so eh? Weeeeeiiiirrrrrd. Oh are those jets scrambling in the air...........test excercizessssss......are the freeways blocked and states lighting on fire.........hot hot summer duhn dunnnnnn
what an ambulance chaser
Greedy Dali was overloaded . Justice failed Big time . 🤬
....and you know that because ...
They don't have homes, they work on ships all the time. If there getting payed they don't care
Get your head checked.
They have homes... My dad worked on Ore boat on the Great Lakes when he was younger. He would work depending on the ship/company/contract a few weeks, have off a few weeks, work 45-60 days on and then X days off. If they were in port a few days, nothing happening they would take time off and head home. They get paid, but they can't really go anywhere except the ship, work changing schedules, unless they a. I can tell you never been away from home much... I went to Hawaii for work for 3 months, by 6 weeks, I didn't care how much $$ I was getting paid, when I got back I had a pile of mail, a list of 101 things to throw out, as it's lost time. I missed a whole summer of not using my boat, community events, etc.