Voyager Reviewed! (by a pedant) S4E26: HOPE AND FEAR
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- Опубликовано: 8 окт 2024
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Today's thought experiment: So what was that jellyfish thing for?
The still frame looks like Paris is throwing a bowl of ramen noodles, but doing it wrong.
Natural body scrub for neelix
To be born into a world of suffering before being eaten by some ungrateful oink in a space cafeteria.
A creature perfectly suited to the task of cleaning the ship's septic tank.
no idea, but reminds me of how they use Korean food to portray alien foods lol. Gagh, for example.
Saying the dauntless got the zoomies is a prime example of why I’m subscribed
I subscribed because of how many pleasantly voiced jabs he makes at Tom lol
'Doctor who credit sequence mode' made me laugh a little
I was just tickled by the idea of Zaphod Beeblebrox having fireworks farted at him, as that sounds exactly like something that would happen in that book series 😂😂😂
Glad to see you highlighted my favorite part from this episode, "YOU had a CHOICE!" Dude had every chance to just walk away, but he wanted to see Janeway punished, you gotta appreciate the dedication.
Can't blame him either.
"In a matter of hours this ship will return to my homeworld..inside borg space!"
Great performance by Ray Wise
“Doctor Who end credits mode” 😂😂
what an appropriate name zaphod was always two faced and the infinity drive wrecks havoc on all that have been subjected to it, ask arther
I love the inclusion of consequences for the ations from the season premiere and you described that quite well. We don't get enough of that in old sci fi shows.
Yup. We'll probably never mention it again, or make reference to Janeway carrying that weight, but at least it got acknowledged here.
@@Unlimited_Lives The sad thing is they coul dhave done something with that. Maybe she never thought about that decision until this episode. I can even seeher keeping up a brave front for the crew, but struggling with it internally.
Nice I'm right on time.
Right!? These uploads brighten my day! ❤ And is it just me, but I've found myself looking forward to what Space Dog is up to... Would definitely devour a series centered around him and his escapades... 😂🎉❤
“Dibs on crashing it.” I can’t help but wonder if Chakotay was distantly related to Deanna Troi.
Poor space dog, maybe he should try searching for cartoons with animals like him. You know, furry cartoons.
Banned. Banned from RUclips for 1000 years.
I thought the scene where Janeway and Seven were trapped together, was incredibly well done. The dialogue was precise, and every word essential. When Seven flinched at Janeway's touch, it reminded us of her disconnect from the crew. She is still uncomfortable with skin contact, adding to her fear of being immersed in Earth's population.
The following exchange hit so hard when I first heard it, it stuck with me forever:
Janeway: In case I never get a chance to say this, I realize that I've been hard on you at times. But it was never out of anger, or regret that I brought you on board. I'm your Captain. That means I can't always be your friend. Understand?
Seven: No. However, if we are assimilated, our thoughts will become one, and I'm sure I will understand perfectly. [Long pause.] A joke, Captain. You yourself have encouraged me to use my sense of humor.
You know, supposedly the 'Wheel of Names' is random, but at times like this I can't help but feel he's picking the name to use for the episode ahead of time. That the wheel would happen to stop on a name that references a character from a space adventure where the characters are swept up into an advanced alien ship with a near-miraculous-but-still-somewhat-untrustful means of travel/propulsion that the characters are near-desperate to use but the consequences for using it are almost too severe to consider that ultimately lead them into trouble but manage to survive because of a slight change in attitude/perception of life to allow them to be on their merry way as if nothing had ever happened at all... ... ... ...Well, that's just highly improbable, isn't it?
I've been on social media too long. I nearly read this as serious.
Also: if I was picking them ahead of time, there's no way Captain Bumbum wouldn't have come up yet.
I wouldn't even mind if there is a big of a nudge sometimes towards appropriate names. All for the fun.
@@Unlimited_Lives...an illusion no doubt. It was probably hidden in each episode 😊
I don't know if it's covered in the episode, but that stuff with the message makes sense if ZB isn't faking the original data, but only the decoded version. That way, he wouldn't be able to delete any of the original without giving the game away. And if it had some Starfleet security key, he wouldn't have been able to replace it.
Oh I've been looking forward to this one !
"What did Chakotay, Tuvok, and Paris eat for those two days while waiting for Voyager to catch up with them?"
There was a unseen crewman who teleported over with them when they first arrived... they didn't get to teleport back.
I liked this episode a lot when I first saw it, I actually really felt for Beeblebrox and wished he had listened to Janeway in the end and could have gotten some better fate from it... alas, the trap of Vengeance is that ironically blinds us to the very consequences of our own actions when we become obsessed with seeking it.
Okay, my first thought was some sort of replicator, or provisions. But your idea is better.
Seven gives a gorgeous small smile when Harry says if she leaves it wouldn't be the same with out her. I think it's the first time we see her smile with genuine affection and it's a great understated moment.
Right!? These uploads brighten my day! ❤ And is it just me, but I've found myself looking forward to what Space Dog is up to... Would definitely devour a series centered around him and his escapades... 😂🎉❤
Cheers! Space Dog's not going anywhere soon, so there are more adventures. No idea what they are yet though.
@@Unlimited_Lives Now the creators of Rick and Morty have turned out to be total shits, there does seem to be an opening in the "parody of a popular scifi franchise that took on a life of its own" niche.
All hail Space Dog!
Can anyone make a paralel universe voice over of this episode, where Zaphod colpains how Voyager didn´t stop Numberspecies before they wiped out the Borg and then most other life in the quadrant and he now wants to take them into Peespace for revenge?
Can you imagine being stuck in a shuttlecraft with Paris and Neelix? It would be a complete and utter, massively-long cringe-fest. I'm menopausal, so it would be likely that the trip would end with violence.
Enjoyable episode. I thought the Alien of the Week was pretty good.
On the plus side: you'd have access to EV suits and the oxygen controls. A lot can happen in a shuttle.
I suspect the average tolerance for that situation would range somewhere between 15 mins and an hour. After that threshold was crossed, the urge to some how end the situation would grow exponentially as fast, at which point the person involved would either turn into a potato or a ball of glowing antimatter. That's assuming no escape was possible. End results can follow the logical courses of whatever the transformation yields. 😂
Actually, those two are probably the top two who you’d most want to be stuck in a shuttle with. Though, many not at the same time
@@Unlimited_Lives Yeah, I'd put an EV suit on and open the doors, claiming it was an "accident".
Just make sure the two are getting at each other. That way you are safe.
Didn't get a chance to comment on the last one but listened to it twice while driving 😁👍 another great review thanks for all your hard work 💚🌹💚 you are appreciated
Please don't feel that you need to thank me every time. New job takes priority. I hope you're doing well in it.
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So the not deleting the rest of the message I think that that could be explained by Zaphod not fully thinking his plan through. I am surprised it went as long as it did. I can chalk up a bit of willful blindness to the Voyager crew, but stopping to think about it, the ruse falls apart in seconds. He's a man consumed by grief and a wish to die and take down Voyager with him. If he can just take them down too he can rest. He can die in peace and he can give up.
Honestly it felt like someone who was suicidal but ashamed of giving up. He is ashamed he's not joining the survivors and working with them, and while Voyager has blame to take he's focusing all of his negative emotions on them, arguably rightfully so.
To add insult to injury, Zaphod Beeblebrox's fake ship would end up becoming a real Federation ship, commanded by Janeway herself.
And now everyone is going to know him as Zaphod Beeblebrox from this video, that poor bastard...
The real Dauntless's interior looked nicer though.
I love the crew becoming paranoid about shortcuts.
Janeway here. Paris with the Ferngi hologram thieves.
Wow, really doesn't seem that long since season one and now heading into season 5, well done UL!
Always liked this episode, as you talk about it's interesting to see the consequences for the actions taken, in a show that smashes the reset button at the end of every episode it's all the more welcomed. I've always hated it when morally grey decisions so often get brushed off with the captain is right, because she's the captain and can never be questioned (this happened a lot with Archer in S1&2) so when we get episodes like this I appreciate them all the more.
3:00 When arriving at a new location, it's important to have a weapon trained on Chakotay. Or so Tom believes. Or maybe they got turned around during the Transportation process. 2:59
"Every time we say goodbye, I cry a little."
"Every time we say goodbye, I die a little."
"Every time we say goodbye, I wonder why a little."
"Every time, we say goodbye."
Love the Doctor Who reference. 😊
Huh
Hope & Fear is such a great title and a strong episode to close out the season. If only the writers planned ahead and already knew they'd be opening season 5 with 'Night', the one where they're traveling through a starless void. Just think what a cliffhanger it would have made if Voyager's slipstream drive had conked out right in the middle of that emptiness. Without any stars, they can't properly navigate or determine where they are... What will do they do?
It'd be the perfect bookend to an entire episode of Janeway being reminded of the consequences of her actions for other species. Now she has to face the consequences of stranding her people in the Delta Quadrant. Ah, if only...
Of course, the speed of the slipstream drive doesn't make a lick of sense. At the start of the season, Kes flung Voyager 10.000 light years beyond Borg space, "10 years closer to home". But the Dauntless is able to return to Borg space within hours. Voyager catches up, rescues Janeway and Seven and then they use their own drive for another few fours... But only get 300 light years out of it?
I'd taken that last point to mean that the Borg have significantly expanded since the defeat of the NumberSpecies. Transwarp Wotsits mean they could have leapfrogged Voyager. That said, the bit about only getting 300 ly away from them felt off. Guess we'll add distances to the "do not measure this stuff" list, along with time, shuttles, torpedoes, crew...
@@Unlimited_Livescould be they were heading in a non-optimal direction towards the Borg (maybe almost reversed heading) and the 300 light years was what they covered after they broke even getting back??
Would be a great season finale double episode. And there are quite a few good ones.
And the "going back into Borg territory" thing: My idea was always that Borg space is sort of a horseshoe shape. They have their main core, and then some outreaching "antennas" (connecting worlds worth assimilating, efficiency and all), with a very long one that bends around. That way they can encounter Borg early, get zapped off by Kes, and head back into Borg by the finale.
That they are so close to Borg space might be a risk worth taking. The Borg might still be occupied elsewhere.
That Voyager can only do 300 light years might be simply explained by the fact that they use alien tech on their ship. When they steal that Borg transwarp thingy they can't go all the way home either.
Oh but the fact that Voyager takes "a couple days" to catch up works out. At warp 9.8 it would be a bit over 2 days for 15 lightyears, at warp 9 it about 3 1/2 days, at warp 8 it's a bit over 5 days and at warp 6 2 weeks. Considering it's sort of an emergency, they would go fast.
00:20 'cause Janeway's a GODDAMN AMERICAN
Piss off Picard and he will call a staff meeting.
Piss of Janeway and she gets her favorite phaser!
Hmm...perhaps all away parties have small (like, they can clip on your belt), specialized replicator thingys as standard equipement. Each is just complex enough and has just enough energy to replicate a few 'survival meals' (or the equivalent).
Alternative: edible uniforms. It wasn't filmed, but Paris came back nude.
@@Unlimited_Lives That is incredibly smart. I know in one episode there is talk about how comfortable in all kinds of environments the uniforms are (afaik it was Worf saying that), but having them also edible would be the next step.
Or Startfleet could be sensible and give away teams actual survival equipment. Like a vest that contains emergency rations, first aid supplies and maybe a battery that can be used to run flashlights, recharge phasers, and power a very small personal shield. No fully armored space suits but just stuff that can get them out of a tight moment.
Go even further and do that duck blind thing integrated into a blanket. Use it to hide yourself, but also to stay warm and in shade. And since the Federation is supposed to be peaceful, make it more like a hunting vest than a military vest.
All hail Space Dog! This is probably one of my favourite episodes (Or at least it's one I have a pretty clear memory of). The stories that me interested most where we saw the impact of decisions on others. I thought of the strange framing of some shots as an attempt to put the viewer on edge, a case of, there is something off about this ship. Perhaps they were the remnants of an earlier draft where the mystery would have been revealed later?
Another example of missed potential. This time: consequences of earlier actions.
@@HappyBeezerStudios Definitely, it was one of the things that annoyed me about Voyager. It could have been great but they kept dropping the ball.
Yay!
Great work!
The next episode is my favorite! Can't wait for season 5!!
I liked the episode enough to excuse it minor sins. But despite me being 20 years late to this realisation never mind the Daugtless not having a replicator, I’ve been looking though the voyager handbook and the delta flyer is the only shuttle craft Voyager has that includes a toilet , this causes serious questions about the years before it was built when someone come back from a long trip.
Maybe Arcturus' species doesn't possess replicator technology. Or maybe having replicators would have given the game away. After all, it's one thing to have the technology, but wouldn't the crew get suspicious when their Starfleet issue replicators don't have any Alpha or Beta quadrant recipes?
I can't seem to track down any chematics for the type-6 or type-8 we see in Voyager so I can't confirm. Certainly doesn't look like there's one.
You could replicate a container and then recycle it with added contents, though you'd have to be very friendly with whoever's in the shuttle too I guess. There's always the teleporter too. If B'Elanna can come up with a skeletal lock, I don't think a faecal lock is too much of a push. So to speak.
Toilets on shuttles have always been an issue. Often enough even in TNG that someone goes onto a longer trip.
Later on when DS9 is running Picard does a trip on a runabout, and that thing is like an RV with actual bunks and rooms, not that single room van with rumble seats in the back.
Great Aliens reference.
I'm picturing this episode with Arturus being played by Sam Rockwell exactly as he plays Zaphod Beeblebrox in the film version of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. Even with the same sad backstory and revenge plot of Arturus, all of it. That would be magnificent.
It’s a shame I wasn’t a patreon or longtime subscriber or I would be submitted the alien as “Ray Wise-guy”
Space Dog needs conditioner. WOOF!
Seven of Nine’s reluctance to immediately get excited about this, of course was justified from a scientific point if view. Your analysis here is he usual snark and thorough common sense. Laura Palmer’s father got exactly what he deserved. Perfect end.
Had to google that. I'm ashamed to say I never watched Twin Peaks. To me, he was one of the scumbags from Robocop.
That makes two now that I think about it. Which isn't many, but it's still pretty high.
@@Unlimited_Lives only American Boomers or some millennials or David Lynch fanatics would know. It was a 1990-1991 cult classic on CBS. And the tag line was who killed Laura Palmer because the very first shot showed her face in a body bag that was fished out of the water. Lynch admitted to ABC that he had no end planned but ratings were declining and they gave him 2 seasons to wrap up. A true mess. Ray Wise, playing a different character, was also in a TNG episode. 25 years later he did an 18 hour reboot with SHOWTIME which was not a win for me. 10 hours would have been better because there was too much filler
I had to laugh at Chakotay warning that we are two minutes to Borg space, as if they stick to the boundaries, you can just imagine the voices in he collective, a vessel is approaching with Janeway and seven of nine and Voyager, prepare to assimilate them, no wait, they are not yet in our space.
Another Oh-a-way-home episode where everything seems very off from the start but the crew are clueless.
You can easily go without food for a couple of days, assuming your reasonably healthy. Going without water would be harder, but certainly possible.
Arcturis's motive in this episode is interesting because it shines a light on something that goes unspoken in a lot of Borg related episodes. That being, when debating something like Hugh's killswitch puzzle they talk about the Borg as if they are ONLY a threat to the Federation, and not basically all technologically advanced life in the quadrant (albeit somehow toned down by the revelation that the Borg are racist but that always felt like a stupid addition) as if every species has the defensive power of the Federation in a Borg confrontation. I do get that from a writing standpoint it's to make the debate about basically committing genocide on the Borg more of a reasonable debate and not onesided as Arcturis's point would make it. Still, it does cause some cognitive dissonance in certain scenes.
The question of after effects is even greater given how the series ended. Was the assimilation of these species only temporary? How many of his species are now now free again? VS how many would have survived 8472 "cleansing" that area of space in a protracted war with the Borg?
Yes!!!!! What did they eat?
Crewman Kibbles. RIP.
Okay, I can totally see why a ship that was launched 6 months ago and a message from 5 months ago work with a travel time of 3 months.
First the ship was launched, then tested for a month in the alpha quadrant. It worked decently well, so Starfleet send the message. They do 2 more months of testing before they're sure the thing can do that long trip. So the worst early issues are ironed out and there is a holo crew to do maintenance. And a second holo crew to service the first one.
Now I wonder, how well would Zaphod do with those aliens from Darmok. How would his pattern recognition hold against a civilization that talks basically completely in memes and in-jokes.
We go onto Doctor Who credits mode. 😂
In this case, Zaphod Beeblebrox did _not_ have a Heart Of Gold.
And then in ST Pro she flies an actual USS Dauntless
About Chakote, Tuvok, and Paris not eating, no replicators does not equal no food. They might have found conventional TV dinners and heated them up on the plasma ball.
A human can dry fast for 3 days and Vulcans should be able to go for longer. It wouldn’t be comfortable but it would be doable
Did Space Dog said something about working in a HENTAI production?
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It might have been better to just beam Zaphod/Arturis to the bridge
So the alien built a whole ship designed to look like a more advanced Starfleet vessel? I'm confused. Do they explain where he got the resources to do that? How did he come up with the design? Did he just extrapolate from Voyager?
I've always wondered about phaser fire in a teleporting object.
It's clear in almost all examples the phaser is hitting something. Even if just a small portion of atoms were destroyed, how would that affect the transportee?
Obviously it doesn't cause any medical harm. That makes sense. The atoms are completely scrambled. Put into a tight beam and reassembled elsewhere.
So it really doesn't matter where you get shot. You'd come out fine. But, there must be destroyed atoms.
Do the people lose weight is what I'm asking? Could this be turned into some sort of ultimate weight loss treatment?
But Unlimited Lives, avoiding consequences is what makes the Western World great. Well, putting them off s long as possible at least.
Zepod looks so much as David Soul. Could someone clarify my query pls.
Them not eating for two days wouldn't be an issue I think. Its the future, not as a hand wave, just humanity very likely by that time would have a better grasp over our baser instincts. Also they were all Starfleet at one point. Im sure they have limited food survival training and coping mechanisms. Plus tuvok was there. Two days is nothing to a Vulcan, and he could help them stay focused.
You need to review ent or ds9 next
Do I think that Zaphod plan to be poorly planned? Yes.
But he is not a 100% evil master manipulation. Maybe deep down a part of him wanted his plan to fail.
Or he considers humans to be primitive (based on language) and his arrogance makes him believe that everyone will accept its lies. But he did not take into account Janeway' s scepticism, Tuvok's logic and 7's distrust.
They may also be some survivor guild on him. I can't not think of another reason to commit something worse than death.
Well at least now he is back to his people.
And now that I am finally back to speed, back to DS9 that war is not going to start on its own
Zaphod Beeblebrox for the twofaced character. Coincidence?
slightly over 46? 46 1/4? 46.84?
I did not trust him the first time I saw it because he looked like the alien from The Twlight Zone episode sever humans it a cookbook.
Ok
Poop frisby
Officially accepted as an Olympic sport in 2308. Janeway was supposed to be on the 2372 Poop Frisbee team for America, the year of the Oh No Risko Disco accident that left 28 dead. By kidnapping her, the Caretaker unintentionally saved her life.
@@Unlimited_LivesI actually was under the impression that those deaths were related to the piss javelin event of 2376. Maybe I read it wrong.
She's framed like that because this episodes root issue is about the borg. It's weak foreshadowing.
Consequences, a great concept, unfortunately wasted in a mediocre Episode.