I rode this line last year (2018) .... absolutely fantastic. Two things impressed me in particular: One - the firing of the loco. Full regulator and full gear from Lobato trestle to Cumbres, non stop on a 1in 25 grade, injector on all the way and safety valves just lifting all the way. Given the grade, the elevation and the size of the firegrate I have to have massive respect for the fireman. I drive on the Welsh Highland and we reckon that 7 miles of 1 in 40 (starting at sea level) is a challenge but this pales into insignificance compared to the Cumbres line. Firing this line must take some real effort and skill. The other thing is the condition of the permanent way and this is borne out by the video. Someone has put in a huge amount of effort to upgrade it and, generally speaking, it now looks in superb order. Given the length of the line it is a massive undertaking. Long may in continue and all good wishes to the "Cumbres Crew" for the success.
Hi, as a driver on the WHR you are in a very good position to understand the skill required to fire these locomotives, it is a real credit to the enthusiast world that both the WHR and this line have been saved for us all to enjoy. Photographs in a book, telling how it used to be are nice to look at, but no match for enjoying the real thing. Colorado and Wales both have such varied and wonderful narrow gauge railways, many of the people I spoke to whilst visiting Colorado's railways had either visited or hoped to visit Wales. I always look forward to my next trip to the WHR and Ffestiniog Railways, having been lucky enough to watch and record the rebirth of both lines. The little trains of Wales have made a huge contribution to the Welsh tourist industry and I am very grateful to all those people who work tirelessly to save and keep them operational so that grandparents, parents, friends and relatives can still take children to enjoy the sights and sounds of steam.
Thanks for your message Tim (I assume you ARE Tim!). I have been "involved" - as a volunteer - with the FfWHR for over 40 years, as a fireman and now driver and "yes" rebuilding the Welsh Highland (and the FfR deviation at Dduallt) was a remarkable achievement - I hasten to say mostly down to the skill and dedication of others. But the Cumbres line is truly remarkable and I have the utmost respect for the people who run and operate it. I could barely tie my shoe laces at nearly 8000 ft altitude, let alone fire a steam loco (or relay track)! I think that what the team at Chama have done to get the line and locos into really good order is exceptional. Just a shame it is so far from where I live, or I would be there trying to help (after getting acclimatized to the altitude first)! It is wonderful that with the dedication and skill (and money) from so many supporters we can preserve these bits of history and give enjoyment to so many people - let's hope it may long continue!
@@murrayreid9298 Hi Murray, yes I am Tim. Altitude is not something we have to cope with in the UK, I rode the cog railway up Pikes Peak in Colorado, at the top I rushed to get as many photos as I could before the train returned back down the mountain, after taking the first few I felt light headed and my feet felt as though my shoes were made from lead, so I fully appreciate what it must be like for the track workers at 8000+ ft high. We are lucky to have so many heritage railways in the UK, a reflection on a very British desire to keep the past alive. This weekend, weather permitting I'll be visiting another iconic preservation first, the "Bluebell Railway" for their Branch-line weekend where it is possible to see and ride in an amazing collection of railway carriages, many over 100 years old, some of the drivers there, spend months in Australia driving on the "Puffing Billy Railway" near Melbourne, a railway that has a lot in common with the "Ffestiniog Railway". I have massive respect for everyone involved in the railway preservation scene throughout the world, drivers, cleaners track-workers, loco maintenance and restoration teams, they all contribute to the preservation movement we enjoy today. Tomorrow we have more to look forward to including the rebirth of the "Lynton, Barnstaple" line and the "Corris railway".
Hopefully before beginning the journey, you were advised a fire control speeder would tail you - might have been a nervy trip otherwise. Thanks for doing the re-engineering of the video - it's turned out very well, a very comfortable speed to take it all in. Alan.
Thank you Alan, the fire control speeder is a sensible precaution. It is hard to get good genuine driver's eye views with a steam locomotive, because the ride can be very lively, it's not always easy to get permission and if it is raining as it did for some of this trip the lens has rain drops on it. I was pleased with the way this turned out, it's no where near perfect, but it gives a fair impression of how the driver sees the line. It would be fun to put a camera in the speeder and follow the train.
Hi Tim! We were watching this, without reading the caption...we finally figured out what was going on about the film, 40 min. in LOLOL...My wife said laughingly..ask Tim where you found a place where everyone and cars are backwards!!! Lol! Great video, and great music!
Hi, I'm really pleased you enjoyed it. Its hard to get permission to place a camera on the locomotive and a lively steam engine working hard tends to result in poor quality film. I find reversing the guards eye view can give a reasonable result as long as there are no rivers flowing uphill, crazy drivers reversing everywhere or pedestrians walking backwards, but environmentalists love to see steam engines sucking pollution out of the sky. It's nice to know you enjoyed the music and thanks for taking time to comment.
Another video triumph! To compensate for the flat screen and inadequate rectangular view a camera provides, despite its high resolution, you have sped this up and added great music. Thank you again. Nice overview of the RR. Watching video of anything but scenic highlights at normal speed is fairly boring because of the inadequacy of any camera. You just gotta ride this train and let it sink in to all your senses. Triple speed with music added is a wonderful idea if you're limited to video only.
Hi, thanks for your comment, no video will ever do justice to this amazing railroad, but hopefully this video will inspire a few more people to include it in their itinerary when touring Colorado.
I sure hope so. I guess my comment was intended to try to get people excited about that train ride by realizing how much more spectacular it is in person than it is on any screen, no matter how excellent a video production they're watching. Ever since I was a kid and watched Chicago White Sox baseball on TV, and then actually attended a game, I have realized that cameras really minimize things. The actual ballpark experience was so wonderful I couldn't believe it. Keeping that in mind makes me excited about videos like yours, and as a result of watching them, even more excited about being there. It would be easy to watch videos and forget how far they fall short of reality. Keep up your great work. This one fired me up like ol' 489! Ha!
I can fully appreciate how wonderful your Chicago White Sox baseball experience must have been. I'm from the UK, when I was young my father used to take me to watch Portsmouth play football, the grass always appeared very green under the floodlights, the Navy band would play, pretty girls walked round the pitch holding numbers above their heads, the players would come out a say "Hi" to the kids, there was all kinds of entertainment, then there was to roar as the players came out of the tunnel and the game finally got underway. TV could never do justice to the real experience, even though it gives a better view with replays and commentary. I enjoyed reading your comments, it would be nice to know one or two people were inspired to take this wonderful train as a result of watching this video.
Wow! Your football experience sounds as amazing as my childhood baseball memory! As for your C&TSRR video, well, I've been fired up to ride that train long before you posted your wonderful work, but let's just say the video made me erase the pencil entry on my bucket list of awesome things to do and re-write it in something like India ink that can't be erased!!!
Its funny the way moments from childhood remain as clear as if it happened yesterday. I hope you make to the C&TSRR, I'm sure you'll enjoy the experience.
Just by way of interest, at normal speed, how fast was that train traveling? Because at 3X speed, it just matched what might be the Sydney/Newcastle Flyer here in Australia. Cheers, Tim!
Okay, Tim, using that info I calculate the 3X speed to be between 60 Km/h, which is what cars are allowed to do in some not-so-built-up areas of a city, and 90 Km/h, which is 10 Km/h slower than the Sydney/Newcastle Flyer at its top speed, though I have to admit that sometimes that "Flyer" is more like a snail going through some parts of the route.
Hey Neil, when the scenery is awesome, it is nice travel slowly, giving plenty of time to enjoy the sight and sounds and by the way I would love to see the Flyer some day.
Hi, Tim! As you were riding, did you see any snails overtake you? LOL Sorry, Tim, just my quirky humour at play. As to the Sydney/Newcastle Flyer, sad to report that as a result of the treason committed by the NSW state liberal government, the Flyer no longer runs to Newcastle but now terminates at Wickham after stopping one station further back, Hamilton, from Boxing Day, 2014 to late last year when a new Wickham interchange was built. An interchange that I refuse to use as a protest at the treason of truncating our rail line. If you type David Threlfo into the search bar, you'll find some videos he has shot of what had been done to the Newcastle/Civic/Wickham portion of the line. As for me, I now catch the train to Sydney from Broadmeadow these days as Hamilton Station doesn't have enough car parking spaces and is, as a result, to congested. Cheers, Tim.
I thought we only screwed things up the UK, it's good to know we are not alone. Pesky snails keep getting into my cats food bowl. I'll take a look at the videos you mentioned. Take care. Tim.
Thanks. That was great fun, speeding downhill, knowing how hard that engine was working up that grade. And you worried that speeder car driver to death. He just barely got out of the way in Chama The train travels at a maximum of 25 mph on the flats, 75 mph in the video. Up those four percent grades it goes about a walking pace. The train crosses the state line 11 times. Nice music too. Maybe some Keystone Kops music.
Hi, I'm glad you enjoyed it. Keystone cops music would have been perfect. Catching up with the speeder reminded me that in the early days of the railway when a man with a red flag was required to walk in front of the train, maybe too many of them were run over, now they are provided with a speeder in the name of progress. That state line is interesting, some things are legal in New Mexico, but not in Colorado. If there was a policeman and board he would have to keep arresting people only to let them go again every time the State line was crossed. This was a wonderful railway, I really enjoyed my visit.
Yes, the Orient Express of the American West. You do know that the C&T and the D&S are the two ends of a railroad, the middle of which no longer exists. The middle runs through an Indian reservation and they want no part of the thunder horse. The rails are gone but the roadbed still exists. Thanks again for these two videos. It was a hoot.
Hi I'm glad you enjoyed the videos. I was aware that the C&T and D&S were once joined. There are two ways of looking at it. It is a shame that the complete route doesn't exist today, but on the other hand is it wonderful that two manageable and sustainable parts of the route have been saved for all to enjoy. I would recommend anyone who enjoys travelling by train to visit Colorado, the rail scene there is so varied and interesting.
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A kamera a vonat hátulján volt. A videó megfordult, hogy úgy néz ki, mintha a fronton. Google Translate - The camera was at the back of the train. The video has been reversed to make it look as though it was at the front.
(21:05) suddenly we detect a fire control speeder and start hunting... (22:03) By entering the magical bridge fire control speeder suddenly disappeared... :-O (31:12) Fire control speeder again! How does the trick work? - Heinz
The fire control is really effective, they put them out before they start, then race ahead of the train to look for the next one before it has had chance to start.
Het is niet mooi als Zwitserland, het heeft een ander soort schoonheid, ongerepte, alsof de mens er nog nooit geweest. It is not pretty like Switzerland, it has a different kind of beauty, pristine, as if man had never been there.
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Excellent scenes! Awesome ride! Superb video! Thanks for sharing it !
Thank you.
I rode this line last year (2018) .... absolutely fantastic. Two things impressed me in particular:
One - the firing of the loco. Full regulator and full gear from Lobato trestle to Cumbres, non stop on a 1in 25 grade, injector on all the way and safety valves just lifting all the way. Given the grade, the elevation and the size of the firegrate I have to have massive respect for the fireman. I drive on the Welsh Highland and we reckon that 7 miles of 1 in 40 (starting at sea level) is a challenge but this pales into insignificance compared to the Cumbres line. Firing this line must take some real effort and skill.
The other thing is the condition of the permanent way and this is borne out by the video. Someone has put in a huge amount of effort to upgrade it and, generally speaking, it now looks in superb order. Given the length of the line it is a massive undertaking. Long may in continue and all good wishes to the "Cumbres Crew" for the success.
Hi, as a driver on the WHR you are in a very good position to understand the skill required to fire these locomotives, it is a real credit to the enthusiast world that both the WHR and this line have been saved for us all to enjoy. Photographs in a book, telling how it used to be are nice to look at, but no match for enjoying the real thing. Colorado and Wales both have such varied and wonderful narrow gauge railways, many of the people I spoke to whilst visiting Colorado's railways had either visited or hoped to visit Wales.
I always look forward to my next trip to the WHR and Ffestiniog Railways, having been lucky enough to watch and record the rebirth of both lines. The little trains of Wales have made a huge contribution to the Welsh tourist industry and I am very grateful to all those people who work tirelessly to save and keep them operational so that grandparents, parents, friends and relatives can still take children to enjoy the sights and sounds of steam.
Thanks for your message Tim (I assume you ARE Tim!).
I have been "involved" - as a volunteer - with the FfWHR for over 40 years, as a fireman and now driver and "yes" rebuilding the Welsh Highland (and the FfR deviation at Dduallt) was a remarkable achievement - I hasten to say mostly down to the skill and dedication of others.
But the Cumbres line is truly remarkable and I have the utmost respect for the people who run and operate it. I could barely tie my shoe laces at nearly 8000 ft altitude, let alone fire a steam loco (or relay track)! I think that what the team at Chama have done to get the line and locos into really good order is exceptional. Just a shame it is so far from where I live, or I would be there trying to help (after getting acclimatized to the altitude first)!
It is wonderful that with the dedication and skill (and money) from so many supporters we can preserve these bits of history and give enjoyment to so many people - let's hope it may long continue!
@@murrayreid9298 Hi Murray, yes I am Tim. Altitude is not something we have to cope with in the UK, I rode the cog railway up Pikes Peak in Colorado, at the top I rushed to get as many photos as I could before the train returned back down the mountain, after taking the first few I felt light headed and my feet felt as though my shoes were made from lead, so I fully appreciate what it must be like for the track workers at 8000+ ft high.
We are lucky to have so many heritage railways in the UK, a reflection on a very British desire to keep the past alive. This weekend, weather permitting I'll be visiting another iconic preservation first, the "Bluebell Railway" for their Branch-line weekend where it is possible to see and ride in an amazing collection of railway carriages, many over 100 years old, some of the drivers there, spend months in Australia driving on the "Puffing Billy Railway" near Melbourne, a railway that has a lot in common with the "Ffestiniog Railway".
I have massive respect for everyone involved in the railway preservation scene throughout the world, drivers, cleaners track-workers, loco maintenance and restoration teams, they all contribute to the preservation movement we enjoy today. Tomorrow we have more to look forward to including the rebirth of the "Lynton, Barnstaple" line and the "Corris railway".
Amazing and very realistic. Nice tunes! :) Thanks for posting!
Thank you.
Love this thank you for making it. As a bonus, it makes a great treadmill video!
Thank you Brian, it was fun editing this video.
I usually hate backview being put in reverse.... But I will make an exception for this one because it is amazing.
Thank you, I'm pleased you enjoyed it.
Wow! Great captures.
Hi, I'm glad you enjoyed this wonderful railway.
Such amazing video! Thank you for sharing!
Thank you.
Hopefully before beginning the journey, you were advised a fire control speeder would tail you - might have been a nervy trip otherwise. Thanks for doing the re-engineering of the video - it's turned out very well, a very comfortable speed to take it all in. Alan.
Thank you Alan, the fire control speeder is a sensible precaution. It is hard to get good genuine driver's eye views with a steam locomotive, because the ride can be very lively, it's not always easy to get permission and if it is raining as it did for some of this trip the lens has rain drops on it. I was pleased with the way this turned out, it's no where near perfect, but it gives a fair impression of how the driver sees the line. It would be fun to put a camera in the speeder and follow the train.
great scenery...
Hi Tim! We were watching this, without reading the caption...we finally figured out what was going on about the film, 40 min. in LOLOL...My wife said laughingly..ask Tim where you found a place where everyone and cars are backwards!!! Lol! Great video, and great music!
Hi, I'm really pleased you enjoyed it. Its hard to get permission to place a camera on the locomotive and a lively steam engine working hard tends to result in poor quality film. I find reversing the guards eye view can give a reasonable result as long as there are no rivers flowing uphill, crazy drivers reversing everywhere or pedestrians walking backwards, but environmentalists love to see steam engines sucking pollution out of the sky. It's nice to know you enjoyed the music and thanks for taking time to comment.
Another video triumph! To compensate for the flat screen and inadequate rectangular view a camera provides, despite its high resolution, you have sped this up and added great music. Thank you again. Nice overview of the RR. Watching video of anything but scenic highlights at normal speed is fairly boring because of the inadequacy of any camera. You just gotta ride this train and let it sink in to all your senses. Triple speed with music added is a wonderful idea if you're limited to video only.
Hi, thanks for your comment, no video will ever do justice to this amazing railroad, but hopefully this video will inspire a few more people to include it in their itinerary when touring Colorado.
I sure hope so. I guess my comment was intended to try to get people excited about that train ride by realizing how much more spectacular it is in person than it is on any screen, no matter how excellent a video production they're watching. Ever since I was a kid and watched Chicago White Sox baseball on TV, and then actually attended a game, I have realized that cameras really minimize things. The actual ballpark experience was so wonderful I couldn't believe it. Keeping that in mind makes me excited about videos like yours, and as a result of watching them, even more excited about being there. It would be easy to watch videos and forget how far they fall short of reality. Keep up your great work. This one fired me up like ol' 489! Ha!
I can fully appreciate how wonderful your Chicago White Sox baseball experience must have been. I'm from the UK, when I was young my father used to take me to watch Portsmouth play football, the grass always appeared very green under the floodlights, the Navy band would play, pretty girls walked round the pitch holding numbers above their heads, the players would come out a say "Hi" to the kids, there was all kinds of entertainment, then there was to roar as the players came out of the tunnel and the game finally got underway. TV could never do justice to the real experience, even though it gives a better view with replays and commentary. I enjoyed reading your comments, it would be nice to know one or two people were inspired to take this wonderful train as a result of watching this video.
Wow! Your football experience sounds as amazing as my childhood baseball memory! As for your C&TSRR video, well, I've been fired up to ride that train long before you posted your wonderful work, but let's just say the video made me erase the pencil entry on my bucket list of awesome things to do and re-write it in something like India ink that can't be erased!!!
Its funny the way moments from childhood remain as clear as if it happened yesterday. I hope you make to the C&TSRR, I'm sure you'll enjoy the experience.
Hello Tim, great trip though sometimes a bit mysterious. - Heinz
:-)
Just by way of interest, at normal speed, how fast was that train traveling? Because at 3X speed, it just matched what might be the Sydney/Newcastle Flyer here in Australia. Cheers, Tim!
Hi Neil, I would have estimated the speed at between 20 and 30 kph
Okay, Tim, using that info I calculate the 3X speed to be between 60 Km/h, which is what cars are allowed to do in some not-so-built-up areas of a city, and 90 Km/h, which is 10 Km/h slower than the Sydney/Newcastle Flyer at its top speed, though I have to admit that sometimes that "Flyer" is more like a snail going through some parts of the route.
Hey Neil, when the scenery is awesome, it is nice travel slowly, giving plenty of time to enjoy the sight and sounds and by the way I would love to see the Flyer some day.
Hi, Tim! As you were riding, did you see any snails overtake you? LOL Sorry, Tim, just my quirky humour at play. As to the Sydney/Newcastle Flyer, sad to report that as a result of the treason committed by the NSW state liberal government, the Flyer no longer runs to Newcastle but now terminates at Wickham after stopping one station further back, Hamilton, from Boxing Day, 2014 to late last year when a new Wickham interchange was built. An interchange that I refuse to use as a protest at the treason of truncating our rail line. If you type David Threlfo into the search bar, you'll find some videos he has shot of what had been done to the Newcastle/Civic/Wickham portion of the line. As for me, I now catch the train to Sydney from Broadmeadow these days as Hamilton Station doesn't have enough car parking spaces and is, as a result, to congested. Cheers, Tim.
I thought we only screwed things up the UK, it's good to know we are not alone. Pesky snails keep getting into my cats food bowl. I'll take a look at the videos you mentioned. Take care. Tim.
Thanks. That was great fun, speeding downhill, knowing how hard that engine was working up that grade. And you worried that speeder car driver to death. He just barely got out of the way in Chama The train travels at a maximum of 25 mph on the flats, 75 mph in the video. Up those four percent grades it goes about a walking pace. The train crosses the state line 11 times. Nice music too. Maybe some Keystone Kops music.
Hi, I'm glad you enjoyed it. Keystone cops music would have been perfect. Catching up with the speeder reminded me that in the early days of the railway when a man with a red flag was required to walk in front of the train, maybe too many of them were run over, now they are provided with a speeder in the name of progress. That state line is interesting, some things are legal in New Mexico, but not in Colorado. If there was a policeman and board he would have to keep arresting people only to let them go again every time the State line was crossed. This was a wonderful railway, I really enjoyed my visit.
Yes, the Orient Express of the American West. You do know that the C&T and the D&S are the two ends of a railroad, the middle of which no longer exists. The middle runs through an Indian reservation and they want no part of the thunder horse. The rails are gone but the roadbed still exists. Thanks again for these two videos. It was a hoot.
Hi I'm glad you enjoyed the videos. I was aware that the C&T and D&S were once joined. There are two ways of looking at it. It is a shame that the complete route doesn't exist today, but on the other hand is it wonderful that two manageable and sustainable parts of the route have been saved for all to enjoy. I would recommend anyone who enjoys travelling by train to visit Colorado, the rail scene there is so varied and interesting.
Nice 😉😊
Thank you :-)
Timsvideochannel1 i waiting for next one 😉
Merci .. .. MAPS (°-°) ....... beau voyage en musique ....
Salut, je suis heureux que vous avez aimé la musique et le voyage. Il est amusant de suivre l'itinéraire sur cette carte - carto.maps.arcgis.com/apps/MapJournal/index.html?appid=b78e55d487594f35b22f89a75af0d3e5
oui , on sait ou on est ......et on a vraiment l'impression d'etre avec vous pour faire le parcourt ! bravo ,pour ces voyages !
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Miért vissza felé van levetítve?
A kamera a vonat hátulján volt. A videó megfordult, hogy úgy néz ki, mintha a fronton. Google Translate - The camera was at the back of the train. The video has been reversed to make it look as though it was at the front.
(21:05) suddenly we detect a fire control speeder and start hunting...
(22:03) By entering the magical bridge fire control speeder suddenly disappeared... :-O
(31:12) Fire control speeder again! How does the trick work? - Heinz
The fire control is really effective, they put them out before they start, then race ahead of the train to look for the next one before it has had chance to start.
neee dit is niet mooi,kom op zeg.afgekeurd.
Het is niet mooi als Zwitserland, het heeft een ander soort schoonheid, ongerepte, alsof de mens er nog nooit geweest.
It is not pretty like Switzerland, it has a different kind of beauty, pristine, as if man had never been there.