Another reason why Project Ashe is P2W is because her W particles disappear way before the max range, making her W range look way shorter than it actually is. Had many people complain about this in all chat.
Same with Infernal Kennen. It's really hard to tell when he has his 5th W stack cause his shuriken is always glowing on fire, I think it messes with the Kennen more than the enemy though haha
Finally someone brought up the Mecha KZ Isolation sound effect - I always thought it makes it the only KZ skin worth using. This is so much more relevant than the actual visual cue, because it will play whenever an enemy gets isolated, not necessarily the one you are targeting, so it really grabs your attention in the middle of team fights. Also, if you didn't know, our brain reacts to audio cues faster than visual cues - so you can Q the isolated target even faster by waiting the sound to play instead of the target to appear, and over time you really gets into your brain and you will be Q'ing targets on sound cue instantly - like you became the machine instead. As a KZ main I swear that I keep hearing the sound cue and the W missile sounds on my sleep sometimes.
@@aureliontroll2341 meaning the skin has been out for YEARS. People brought the audio cue up in reference to people talking about the visual cue long ago. Nothing new. Good info for people who didnt already know this though. I mained Kha a long while back so Mecha was bought with him initially. Always gave me space pirate vibes form Metroid series. But the pay to win aspects are a huge bonus.
I'd say Arcana Ahri as well. Her charm and Q are basically the same color, so it's very difficult to differentiate between them, probably causing a panic flash or two
90% of skins to come out in the last 5 years are p2w because they just make the whole champion look like at least 20 other champions and you can never tell even if you have champion names turned on
As a game designer this makes me want to design a system where All hitboxes in a game are visually accurately represented. As I believe lol is a game with low visual clarity that could use a low vison mode. Its a shame riot are too Greedy to add a way to disable skins client side.
There's hardly a point to buy skins then. I buy them cause I like how they look and I like to show them off. And id rather die to a really cool Nightbringer yasuo ult than the standard one.
Funny thing is that out of all mobas I'd say lol is the one with the most visual clarity, when you account only the base skins and effects, and it is what attracted me to it, coming from Dota 1 and thinking Dota 2 was too cluttered. With that being said, I agree that the variant skins can change a lot about the clarity of the game such as color pallettes and hitboxes. But I also believe that this has more to do with the structure of such a big company - the champ designers and artists are probably different than the skin designers and artists...and yes, probably they value making money out of very different skins more so than making sure all skins have clarity matching the base skin.
I'm not even a game designer and it BAFFLES me the art team has creative control over the width of skillshots. Skill shots need to be perfectly accurate in my opinion, gameplay first
They have been gradually reducing these hibtox discrepancies with the vfx updates. For example, with Kha’six his isolation was made much clearer, with shaco they added range indicators on his boxes, and with Jayce they made the particles smoother and cleaner to avoid noise.
As a lux simp, Dark Cosmic makes the enemy have an aneurysm when you kill them. Steel Legion lux looks weird because she holds her staff like a gun. Both have weird hitboxes as well.
Arcanist Kog'Maw's corpse bomb is impossible to see on the river. You notice him only when you're dead of his explosion. Also it's really hard to distinguish cosmic Lux and dawnbringer Soraka when they are in the same team especially in teamfights
Honorable mentions: -arclight varus q and r same vfx -dark star karma cant tell if she used empowered q -cosmic lux low sfx on e and almost invisible -iblitzcrank falsy q range -nunu bot ult countdown -shockblade shen invisible ult -justicar syndra invisible q -high noon tf --> dopa skin cant tell which card is -pyke skins in general 😂 -propably more
Try playing vs Infernal Karthus with Infernal Shen on your team! I find it interesting nobody mentioned this, but the ult from both characters looks essentialy the same. They are both global so its very easy to mistake
You can't put 2 segments talking about yasuo skins whose tornado is smaller that the hitbox without talking about the og one: Odyssey Yasuo. In my option you should just group them. Additionally I believe Veigar has another skin whose e stuns after the visual expires (I think it's the Omega Squad one)> Finally elementalist Lux has one more feature that is not really known. Her passive visual expires faster than the mark itself. This means that you can hit an e, walk back, walk back in and the enemy won't know the mark is still on them.
You shouldn't demonstrate misaligned hit boxes in the river entrance. I learned from Skillcapped that shooting from highground misaligns where you need to aim.
Another thing with astronaut veigar is how similar W particle is to teleport. I've had so many micro heart attacks when playing vs veigar when he w a minion where I think a teleport is coming. It's very annoying
@@giovannibastianelli6934 You can use his w to hide his q and r animation making it a virtually impossible to react to his q poke or even an all-in combo with ult. You can look up "vandal gragas animation cancel" to see how ridiculous that skin is.
This another video for you to buy more League of Legends skins give them more unnecessary money, sure “PAY TO WIN SKINS” may or may not help you win more games/get more LP but if you’re already losing to low-elo because you’re bad, then buying “NEW Pay-To-Win Skins” doesn’t mean jack shit, and this video is just explaining how buying Riot’s League Of Legends skins will give you “the upper edge” but in reality it really gives is more cosmetics and collections for your profile when other people or you view it
The most pay to LOSE thing are eternals. If you play with "show advaced player stats" with champion who have eternals, eternals block your rewiew. It is additional "window".
Is it just me or SKT1 Jhin is actually much smoother with different animation speeds? I feel like his windup and follow-up animations after aa isn't clucky at all, unlike on other skins.
Riot is such a money hungry joke of a company. Every new champs is super OP on release, then gets actually balanced after a couple of weeks... You can't tell me that they don't have a financial incentive to do so.
Yeah, thats why I use color blind mode. It chances the colors of many abilities so you can see them better. Like Beekeeper Singed, who's Q is blue and not yellow, which I find better to play with/against in lane.
true damage ekko w disapears before the actually ability ends leaving a slight outer ring thats hard to see, ive caught a few people thinking my w is no longer there when it actually is
For me is reaper soraka all effects are dark blue and hard to see if you're in river and her ult is invisible in fight because of short and dark animation.
the red Project Morde skin always gives me trouble with the E vs Q animations. I'm sure if I played against it more it would be obvious but I always feel unsure when I get matched up against it and it's been a while.
Please do the Pay to Lose skins. Like, there's a skin with Veigar that shows his E with a bright red color, making me think that he is an enemy. I have noticed this in Aram, where my whole team would try to avoid his E thinking they would be stunned
Ehm... hilarious thing is that I played when Kha was released and bought his champion and skin package because it was a mecha-skin ... I have never ever since Kha released even _seen_ the regular version of how isolated targets looked like So... just a fun thing about it ^^'
I really think no matter the skin there should be some outline to show the actual hitbox of the abilities, and one on the ground of the champs to show theirs.
I swear the high noon varus skin is also pay to win, whenever he Qs, the shot is smaller then the hitbox, so it looks like you dodge but you get hit instead.
i blitzcrank? none of these skins felt pay to win. the only skins that are actually pay to win is iblitzcrank and the gragas skin with the wine bottle instead of the cask
I would like to add Dawnbeinger Yone! I abhore playing aginst dudes with that skin as the sound from the tornado is very subtle and I literally have to look for particles or follow his Q usage like a maniac... I main mid and Yone is a pretty reqular pick :/
Just a heads up: I would suggest you opt for Yasuo's spirit blossom skin instead. His sea dog appearance may look cool, but after doing some testing in practice tool I found that it's very clunky and the animations aren't smooth like Nightbringer
The ONLY thing more pay to win, is a skill capped subscription 😱 www.skill-capped.com/lol
Another reason why Project Ashe is P2W is because her W particles disappear way before the max range, making her W range look way shorter than it actually is. Had many people complain about this in all chat.
Bro i just got her skin and almost rerolled it xd thx for the tip
Same with Infernal Kennen. It's really hard to tell when he has his 5th W stack cause his shuriken is always glowing on fire, I think it messes with the Kennen more than the enemy though haha
Kennen gets a passive mark tag over his hotbar at least
Finally someone brought up the Mecha KZ Isolation sound effect - I always thought it makes it the only KZ skin worth using. This is so much more relevant than the actual visual cue, because it will play whenever an enemy gets isolated, not necessarily the one you are targeting, so it really grabs your attention in the middle of team fights.
Also, if you didn't know, our brain reacts to audio cues faster than visual cues - so you can Q the isolated target even faster by waiting the sound to play instead of the target to appear, and over time you really gets into your brain and you will be Q'ing targets on sound cue instantly - like you became the machine instead. As a KZ main I swear that I keep hearing the sound cue and the W missile sounds on my sleep sometimes.
this comment on Mecha KZ has been made like years ago..
@@roko9360 what you meaning?
@@aureliontroll2341 meaning the skin has been out for YEARS. People brought the audio cue up in reference to people talking about the visual cue long ago. Nothing new. Good info for people who didnt already know this though. I mained Kha a long while back so Mecha was bought with him initially. Always gave me space pirate vibes form Metroid series. But the pay to win aspects are a huge bonus.
Can´t believe they decided to use ashe arrow on elevated terrain as an example of hitbox changes...
I'd say Arcana Ahri as well. Her charm and Q are basically the same color, so it's very difficult to differentiate between them, probably causing a panic flash or two
Project Ashe ultimate isn't even her biggest "p2w" factor. Her W length is longer than it is portrayed in the visualization.
90% of skins to come out in the last 5 years are p2w because they just make the whole champion look like at least 20 other champions and you can never tell even if you have champion names turned on
As a game designer this makes me want to design a system where All hitboxes in a game are visually accurately represented. As I believe lol is a game with low visual clarity that could use a low vison mode. Its a shame riot are too Greedy to add a way to disable skins client side.
There's hardly a point to buy skins then. I buy them cause I like how they look and I like to show them off. And id rather die to a really cool Nightbringer yasuo ult than the standard one.
You can use mods to manually change the files and disable any skin you want
Funny thing is that out of all mobas I'd say lol is the one with the most visual clarity, when you account only the base skins and effects, and it is what attracted me to it, coming from Dota 1 and thinking Dota 2 was too cluttered.
With that being said, I agree that the variant skins can change a lot about the clarity of the game such as color pallettes and hitboxes. But I also believe that this has more to do with the structure of such a big company - the champ designers and artists are probably different than the skin designers and artists...and yes, probably they value making money out of very different skins more so than making sure all skins have clarity matching the base skin.
I'm not even a game designer and it BAFFLES me the art team has creative control over the width of skillshots. Skill shots need to be perfectly accurate in my opinion, gameplay first
They have been gradually reducing these hibtox discrepancies with the vfx updates. For example, with Kha’six his isolation was made much clearer, with shaco they added range indicators on his boxes, and with Jayce they made the particles smoother and cleaner to avoid noise.
As a lux simp, Dark Cosmic makes the enemy have an aneurysm when you kill them. Steel Legion lux looks weird because she holds her staff like a gun. Both have weird hitboxes as well.
pfp and banner check out
Lux's Dark Cosmic's 3rd Skill is also hard to see
Arcanist Kog'Maw's corpse bomb is impossible to see on the river. You notice him only when you're dead of his explosion.
Also it's really hard to distinguish cosmic Lux and dawnbringer Soraka when they are in the same team especially in teamfights
Honorable mentions:
-arclight varus q and r same vfx
-dark star karma cant tell if she used empowered q
-cosmic lux low sfx on e and almost invisible
-iblitzcrank falsy q range
-nunu bot ult countdown
-shockblade shen invisible ult
-justicar syndra invisible q
-high noon tf --> dopa skin cant tell which card is
-pyke skins in general 😂
-propably more
HeadHunter Nidalee Q spears are very narrow
Ah yes Ezreal talking about pay-to-win skins
Try playing vs Infernal Karthus with Infernal Shen on your team! I find it interesting nobody mentioned this, but the ult from both characters looks essentialy the same. They are both global so its very easy to mistake
so many combos its hard to list all but still good point
You can't put 2 segments talking about yasuo skins whose tornado is smaller that the hitbox without talking about the og one: Odyssey Yasuo. In my option you should just group them.
Additionally I believe Veigar has another skin whose e stuns after the visual expires (I think it's the Omega Squad one)>
Finally elementalist Lux has one more feature that is not really known. Her passive visual expires faster than the mark itself. This means that you can hit an e, walk back, walk back in and the enemy won't know the mark is still on them.
How about a series that shows the best skin in terms of such things? Like 2 parts for every champion
You shouldn't demonstrate misaligned hit boxes in the river entrance. I learned from Skillcapped that shooting from highground misaligns where you need to aim.
the veigar skin is rly horrible to fight against i agree
Veigar is rly horrible . Nothing else need to be added
Another thing with astronaut veigar is how similar W particle is to teleport. I've had so many micro heart attacks when playing vs veigar when he w a minion where I think a teleport is coming. It's very annoying
If you have this problem when game is not even 14 mins in, it is a you problem tbh.
@@animeandshenanigans Apologies, I must be going blind cause I really can't see who asked.
Thank you for your input tho!
@@animeandshenanigans even past 14
I can't believe you are making a League's pay to win skin video without including Vandal Gragas.
Why? Is it that ptw?
@@giovannibastianelli6934 You can use his w to hide his q and r animation making it a virtually impossible to react to his q poke or even an all-in combo with ult. You can look up "vandal gragas animation cancel" to see how ridiculous that skin is.
Zilean's Sugar Rush skin doesn't make his autos feel like a war crime so I use that
This another video for you to buy more League of Legends skins give them more unnecessary money, sure “PAY TO WIN SKINS” may or may not help you win more games/get more LP but if you’re already losing to low-elo because you’re bad, then buying “NEW Pay-To-Win Skins” doesn’t mean jack shit, and this video is just explaining how buying Riot’s League Of Legends skins will give you “the upper edge” but in reality it really gives is more cosmetics and collections for your profile when other people or you view it
The most pay to LOSE thing are eternals. If you play with "show advaced player stats" with champion who have eternals, eternals block your rewiew. It is additional "window".
You forgot the white chroma on internal Shen. Makes shield almost invisible.
Is it just me or SKT1 Jhin is actually much smoother with different animation speeds? I feel like his windup and follow-up animations after aa isn't clucky at all, unlike on other skins.
Every Nautilus skin kekw
Riot is such a money hungry joke of a company. Every new champs is super OP on release, then gets actually balanced after a couple of weeks... You can't tell me that they don't have a financial incentive to do so.
Yeah, thats why I use color blind mode. It chances the colors of many abilities so you can see them better. Like Beekeeper Singed, who's Q is blue and not yellow, which I find better to play with/against in lane.
true damage ekko w disapears before the actually ability ends leaving a slight outer ring thats hard to see, ive caught a few people thinking my w is no longer there when it actually is
Ofc these are all pay to win skins when my teammates are playing without monitor
For me is reaper soraka all effects are dark blue and hard to see if you're in river and her ult is invisible in fight because of short and dark animation.
Forgot New Vayne Condemn Particle is bright Red except in Project and Spirit Blossom!! :D
What do you guys think about Spirit Blossom Ahri? I think she is much more smooth than basic Ahri/other skins
the red Project Morde skin always gives me trouble with the E vs Q animations. I'm sure if I played against it more it would be obvious but I always feel unsure when I get matched up against it and it's been a while.
I play against project morde with fiora. It is impossible to spot fiora passive with morde passive
if you put in seadog and spiritblossom you need to put in odyssey yasuo too
What about iblitzranck? His hook coz animation is thinner and harder to spot coz its shorter time of animation.
Please do the Pay to Lose skins. Like, there's a skin with Veigar that shows his E with a bright red color, making me think that he is an enemy. I have noticed this in Aram, where my whole team would try to avoid his E thinking they would be stunned
Finally someone who talks about Elderwood Bard's Q
Also,with Zombie Brand,he reaches his hands towards opponents,so you can check bushes like that
thats false, it has to be warded.
Ehm... hilarious thing is that I played when Kha was released and bought his champion and skin package because it was a mecha-skin ...
I have never ever since Kha released even _seen_ the regular version of how isolated targets looked like
So... just a fun thing about it ^^'
The crazy thing about high noon viktor is that R is invisible if you cast W right after
I really think no matter the skin there should be some outline to show the actual hitbox of the abilities, and one on the ground of the champs to show theirs.
If you think arclight velkoz is bad, blackfrost velkoz is a nightmare to fight against
Ori has some nice skins for blending her ball with terrain.
I think zombie brand's Q is also harder to react to because of his walking animations
I feel like any new skin that comes out i have to play a couple games against it to start properly dodging skillshots
I swear the high noon varus skin is also pay to win, whenever he Qs, the shot is smaller then the hitbox, so it looks like you dodge but you get hit instead.
I am 100% sure that this things are made on purpose, greedy Riot
Heck try playing against Project Mordekaiser with color gamma around 65-75
I hate Sentinel Graves as his particles only glow a little and it makes it much harder to dodge.
So no ashen knight pyke? Idk if it was a bug but I played against him a couple times and his w sfx was legit soooo quiet
Honourable mention goes to Nautilus' q. In general. His hitbox is pay to win. Fix when? No? Ok
God King Darius E is 4 frames faster than all other skins. Literally P2W
i blitzcrank? none of these skins felt pay to win. the only skins that are actually pay to win is iblitzcrank and the gragas skin with the wine bottle instead of the cask
Any pay 2 win skin on Orianna, Fizz or Veigar? (except the one he showed
Where is Dawnbringer Riven? Its just so much smoother for her animation cancels.
talks about the brand skin
doesn't mention it changes animation when walking towards enemies even in bushes
I would like to add Dawnbeinger Yone!
I abhore playing aginst dudes with that skin as the sound from the tornado is very subtle and I literally have to look for particles or follow his Q usage like a maniac...
I main mid and Yone is a pretty reqular pick :/
snow day/beekeeper singed and iblitz are some of the most insane pay to win skins
Why those 2 singed skins p2w?
Missing so many lux skins that just flat out you can't see her skills.
BRUH like yesterday i was facing skt olaf and when shen ulted olaf i didnt even know i was so confused it also works whit brolaf
I really wonder what causes the smoothness in some skins. I mean how and why their software got effected by some visual changes.
There is something called animation
I don't know if it's just me but I have a huge problem seeing the Ball of the bee oriana skin
Vandal gragas allows you to hide his q and r animations in his w
Ashe arrow shouldn't hit, but it hits
yeah sure, just because of river not because of skin
there's no reason to put Viktor on the list since his E is already impossible to miss.
Haha, I always gets trolled by the infernal shen s ult when he is in enemy team
High noon viktor looks dope tbh
New senna skin is op too
when I play against her I don't see her spells
whith mif battle bunny you feel smoother when you are moving because is jumping
My takeaway from this is skin fx blending with river
I’ll have you know I did not pay for zombie brand
What about Vandal Gragas skin?
It can hide your barrel animation when auto with W
sea dog yasuo can help you with crane games
Muay thai leesin is so good I don't know why
I see a theme with the first three… they’re all new skins lol
Could you make a video for pay to lose skins?
Project Pyke?
Just a heads up: I would suggest you opt for Yasuo's spirit blossom skin instead. His sea dog appearance may look cool, but after doing some testing in practice tool I found that it's very clunky and the animations aren't smooth like Nightbringer
arclight varus R
FIDDLE NEEDS AN OP SKIN
You forgot high noon irelia
sucks I just bought the infernal velkoz skin AND NOT ACR LIGHT xD
dw league isn't pay to win
also league:
No vandal gragas? No fanatic j4???
Where is Underworld Twisted Fate?
Lets do this
Let's goo, il buy veigar skin:D
edg viego in the river too ^^
pool party gragas
New skin zigg Bzzig his Q
pentakill mordekaiser also
Iblitzcrank the original pay to win skin bullshit is not in this list
yasuo has two damn
where vandal gragas
no muay thai lee sin?
No mecha aatrox huh
Underworld TF
how much money did riot give you to make this video?
And some skins debuff too XD