This is a scene arranged by someone with a love for aviation. Even though it's such a small part of the movie and relatively short, it was masterfully done - the cockpit view and the way the banking turn shots were made is fantastic. To top it off the F8 is one of the best looking planes of the cold war era, and one of the fastest, and man do they scoot in this scene. Before RUclips, whenever I watched this movie I would always be waiting for this scene to come up. To think that two F8 pilots really did this as well, that's balls of steel to just fly straight into a hostile country right on the deck just to snap some pictures.
I always just absolutely loved this scene ....... has always been one of my all-time favorite movie scenes ......... direction, editing, music and cinematography are just incredible!! I get chills every time I watch it!!!
13 days is one of the most intact historical movies ever, the direction is just great and the acting is top-notch, I wonder where they got all those crusaders for the filming, I couldn't imagine too much of it was CGI but it's an impressive movie thats definitely a hidden gem
One of the great underrated Aviation scenes in film IMO. Love F-8's, they always got overshadowed by the Phantom, but Crusaders were always badass and sexy as hell.
Try to find Snort Snodgrass telling the story of him taxiing behind 2 F-8's The pilot snuffed out his cigarette then closed the canopy and took off. He made it sound so Mad Men cool
@@Strome88 Sorry, but from what I know, the Saab Viggen gave the blackbird a run for it's money. And, if it could not out right beat it, than the Avro Arrow definitely would have made a black bird pilot sweat, the arrow was rated to go well above Mach II.
It is so awesome to see these F8's in a movie. My Dad was a jet engine mechanic in VFP-63 for most of his 24 year Navy career. In 1982 when they decommissioned the F8, my Dad was one of the longest standing jet engine mechanic's. If not thee longest standing F8 jet engine mechanic, from 1960 to 1982. It's great to see this. Now, it's time to see where I can rent this movie, and watch it with Dad. Although it's the VFP-62 squadron in the movie, I'm sure my dad will get a kick out of seeing this. The "Eye's of the Fleet" which is painted on the center part of the wing when it was tilted, was originally painted on the wing at Miramar NAS. Which is in San Diego, California.
Joe, what is so funny is after VIETNAM, I believe there was only one SQUADRON of F8s for the entire fleet, so they were DETACHED. I was on CV64 CONSTELLATION and that was our Squadron for many cruses.
god the cinematography in this scene is so awesome. i especially love how the capture of photos what cycling in beat with the music. i think that made that small segment have a lot more weight than it would have without it.
What I love about this scene is how accurate they got it - when you typically in movies see an entire unit of these aircraft they are all painted the same and due to movie effect tricks they are super imposed one over the other - which means same serial number and ton of other identification which one aircraft to the next should be different. Here every single aircraft is different from the next which surprised me the first time I saw it
Ahh the Philippines.....Ang aking bansa.......Where some of the Cold War scenes including tropical scenery were filmed.Glad to let my country be part of the filmmaking business during the Cold War.
The RF-8 -birds with GY in the movie should have been marked CY, the ID for Marine Recon Squadron VMCJ-2 (now VMAQ-2) based out of Cherry Point. The techs are loading 5 inch film into the camera bays. I joined the unit shortly after those mission were flown and knew some of the crews and worked on those aircraft.. Both Navy and Marine aviators flew these missions and had the same training.
It's a great scene, but totally inaccurate. Ecker led the first low level photorecon mission over Cuba, depicted here. However, the Cubans had no idea they were coming, at full throttle on the deck, they were under radar and on the site so fast that Ecker himself stated that they literally caught the Cubans "running for their guns". He was a consultant on the film I believe, told them that he was not shot at during this mission, but they wanted to sexy it up. However, other missions were very much shot at, with the Cuban air force even attempting air to air inteceptions of these missions.
The thing is with movies based in true story -- they will combine everything at once! This specicifc scene may be inaccurate but it still represent the overall conflict as in other missions they were shot at as you pointed out yourself. Often this is how movies work when based on true story. They will put as much as accuracy as possible but they also have to keep the length of the movie as short as possible. So one scene may actually represent a whole battle. They did the same thing with Black Hawk Down. When the pilot got captured, there never was a helicopter flying overheard shouting *( pilot name ) we will not leave you behind* right away. This actually happened much AFTER the long Mogadishu battle. But not during. But they still included that in the movie just to be able to tell the story as much as they could. And those tactics still work in my opinion.
As all films and what else in 2021 is accurate. I have a need for more truth in life but in hollywood I need escapism. You are not wrong in your comment. Is there an appetite for the younger generation for truth?
I was always a big F-4 Phantom II fan, well that is until I got my first look at the F-8 Crusader, the last of the Gunfighters. What an absolute amazing jet, single engine pumping out serious power, and with a variable incident wing, absolutely remarkable.
Always loved this movie as my First Squadron in the Navy was the next to last RF-8G Crusader Squadron (VFP-306) based out of NAF Washington DC right across the runway from Air Force one. Always loved going out on the flight line and watching the jets take off early in the morning in Full Afterburner as the ground shakes and watching them climb out.
It’s interesting to note that both actors playing the pilots are related in real life to the main players of the Cuban Missile Crisis - Christopher Lawford was JFK’s nephew, while the other actor, David O’Donnell, is the grandson of Kenny O’Donnell.
My dad knew the F-8 pilot that this (part) of the story is based on, his original report said he hit a PHONE line on his first pass. When he was informed that this looks like a strike from the ground he said it was sparrows or starlings that he hit! When I was in the navy 81-87 the marines photorecon guys had t-shirts that said 8th annual LAST F-8 cruise! If I recall right we lost four recon aircraft during the crisis, an f-8, a pair of F-101's and a U-2 (which cost them nearly every missile in Cuba to finally get).
The actor who played Commander Ecker was Christopher Kennedy Lawford, a member of the prominent Kennedy family, and son of actor Peter Lawford and Patricia "Pat" Kennedy Lawford, who was the sister of President John F. Kennedy.
In the real crisis, Cuban and Soviet personnel did fire at the low level Recon flights, but no hits were scored. This was mainly due the speed and altitude of the aircraft mostly denying AAA from being able to fire until after the overhead pass of the aircraft. The real Cmdr Eckr (the lead pilot in this scene) states in his book that he definitely saw flak bursts in his rear view mirrors after making photo runs over Soviet-Cuban positions
My friend's father who was an RF 101 C pilot was in Saigon teaching South Vietnam teaching South Vietnamese pilots in October 1962. His name was Charles E Shelton. Sadly on his 33rd birthday 29 April 1965 he was shot down near Sam Neua, Laos while on a photo recon mission to photograph the Pathet Lao caves around Vieng Xai which is near Sam Neua since bad weather made him and his wingman who flew an F105 but I don't know which class abort their first target of doing a bomb damage assessment around the Pathet Lao caves. Charles safely ejected from his crippled and burning aircraft and landed uninjured and was told he'd be picked up in 30 minutes but sadly bad weather prevented the rescue and he was captured by the Pathet Lao 3 days later and to this day his fate is unknown because his remains have never been found or recovered but it is a known fact he and another pilot were held in the caves and he was a courageous man for his many attempts to escape.
Unless the ground target had advanced warning of the jets coming I don't think they would have been able to get their AA guns going. Those jets came in low and fast. They would have been over the target and gone again with no reaction time for the ground.
This was the first low level photo recon mission. Ecker was an advisor for the film and he said during that pass they literally caught the Cubans running for their weapons and thus he was not shot at. Other fights were shot at though as the Cubans were on alert and had their AA manned. Some Cuban MiGs also attempted interceptions but the F-8s were far too fast being supersonic and on the deck there was little to no warning.
I doubt they would have heard them until almost on top of them. I had an F/A-18 buzz my position on a mountaintop at Ft. Irwin and only noticed him at about 1500 feet away when I saw his intakes pointed right at me. That was a wonderful 0600.
They didn't need to hear them. The Russians had radar set up on the island as soon as the anti-aircraft troops were put in place. Did you see the SA-2's? Guess how you aim them?
They were at maybe 50ft or even less on that pass. Radars 50yrs ago weren't that good. A tracking radar today could probably find it but it takes a fire control radar locking onto the target to be able to fire a missile at it. Besides SA-2s were basically ballistic for the first few hundred feet they flew until the radar started feeding data to it.
In real life, the speed that these planes were doing, at close to the ground as they were; those Cubans would not hear the jets until they were on top of them.
Forward observers could have sounded a general alarm via radio reporting on their numbers, types, spotting location, speed, altitude and heading, thereby putting all AA units on alert.
Acoustics may have been tipped in the Cubans favor, given geological factors like water which is a perfect conductor for sound & vibrations + mountains in the background which can make far away noise sound like its right there. My city just ended a 4yr contract with ShotSpotter, because they can't accurately pinpoint gunfire because we have so many hills >>on a clear night, you can hear shots/fireworks from miles around...so something noisy like an early jet engine would be way easy
I have always loved this scene since I first seen this movie back in 2001 my history report was on the Cuban Missile Crisis Titled The Cold War Heatwave.
Got to see hundreds of F-8's and others, 4 years at NAS Mirmar. USN, 68-72, ETR-2, GCA RADAR maintenance and TACAN. Had 2 AN/FPN-36 QUAD RADAR, an FPN 52 (16) GCA. Our shop was off the back end of the "bore sight range" along the taxiway. Worked part time at the station auto hobby shop.
when i was on the uss coral sea, the F-8 was the aircraft everyone paid close attention to.. all aircraft were dangerous while on the flight deck, but the F-8 could suck you up in a nano second. i actually witnessed it.
Wow, I can imagine you must have some stories to tell Terry. I remember once watching a documentary which highlighted the dangers of the arresting cable for landing planes - if the cable snapped it could easily cut a person in half. The deck of an aircraft carrier can definitely be a dangerous place!
i have never witnessed an arresting cable break while on the uss saratoga or the uss coral sea... the guys in charge of that dept were always inspecting & changing arresting cables right after fight ops. every job on a flight deck is very dangerous, but our job as aviation ordnance was especially dangerous. when the planes were hooked up to the 'cats' , it was our job to pull all the safety pins, wind in the 20mm cannons & plug all the rockets in.. we were doing all this with plane revving up, cat cables stretched & the cat officer yelling at you to hurry up! stressful? you bet! but we always got the job done.
There is an actual video showing a guy sucked into an A6. Then spit out the back. He lived to tell about it... ruclips.net/video/unXNdrtf2_g/видео.html
Commander Ecker is played by Christopher Kennedy Lawford. He actually passed away last year. His mother was Patricia Kennedy. His father was Peter Lawford.
He did look like Peter Lawford, although I think he was better looking, lankier and more chiseled features. I read his book about overcoming his addictions, heroin and other stuff, he sounded like a nice guy, probably the years of doing drugs damaged his heart, too bad.
Which, in many cases, has absolutely NOTHING to do with actually being behind the stick and under the` canopy. Sadly, for "experts", reading Wikipedia just doesn't make it over real-world experience. "Research". Yeah. But not talking to a real F8 pilot, I'd wager. By the way, did any of you "experts" happen to note the 1/2 scale SA-2's in the picture? Anybody? (crickets.....).
None of the F-8 [belonging to the Philippines AF, you can see Pinatubo in the background] could fly, after the volcanic ash toasted the planes. They were towed for the taxi scenes.
Chris Mason Seriously".....? This an actual event, the Corsairs made low level photo recon flights into Cuba and the DID return, some with AAA damage. Granted Hollywood did "sex" it a bit, gotta sell those tickets.
I love the Vought RF-8 Crusader reconnaissance/fighter planes in this video! These two planes are scene doing a reconnaissance over Cuba in 1962 during the Cuban Missile Crisis to see what nuclear weapons they have! But did you know in the 1980 movie The Final Countdown the USS Nimitz aircraft carrier had Vought RF-8 Crusaders onboard the ship and one of them flew a reconnaissance flight over Pearl Harbor to see the vintage look of the U.S. Navy in 1941 because the USS Nimitz traveled back in time to that era to save Pearl Harbor from the Japanese! Thanks!
The Final Countdown. Great movie, but before the plot could truly get interesting, the carrier reentered the time vortex. Although the Tomcat vs Zeros was a great scene.
Fact Check: those F-8 Jets are from the Philippines.. This scene filmed somewhere in Pampanga Philippines... The base is the Clark Air Base (Philippine Base in Luzon)
Incorrect. Just saw this. Pinatubo was in June 1991. Ought to know as I was there right after down in Manila. Clark Air Base was not destroyed as the runways were unaffected. By the mid-90's flights were being conducted out of Clark by the Philippine Air Force and the U.S. Air Force. I have photos of our planes over Clark and Angeles. Have personally been on the base many times between 1995-2008. In reply to Big Chris.
Last F8 crusader fly in the French Navy (F-8E (FN) and F-8P, up to 1999... the P version (for "Prolongated" ,in 1990, to hold up all the Rafale M are ready) was a bit upgraded in France...
0:30 saying good luck to a pilot is a big no no, if a ground crew says it to a pilot, they immediately stop their departure and question the guy what he did to the plane.
@@mtumeumrani376 well, I know that WWII German pilots had a saying "Hals- und Beinbruch" that basically meant "break your leg and neck" and there IS a superstition about having a picture taken prior to a combat mission, so there is some background to the rumour...
Back in the late 70’s I was fishing Lee Vining Creek (Aspen Camp grounds), just off of SR-120, W/O Lee Vining, CA. Behind me is an almost vertical rocky mountain range and to my right the area opened up into a large meadow and the two mountain ranges I was down in opened up as well. All of a sudden I heard a most uncommon sound for this area (normally very quiet, except for wind and water) I looked behind me at the elevated mountain range and now down towards the opening meadow. An F-8 Crusader on its side, canopy in my direction, contouring the side of the mountain and below the top on the mountain range………… unbelievable sight.
+Karl Ahlf Hey, thanks for pointing that out! I wasn't aware. Interesting how many people peripherally involved in those times were in the film. Lots of people claim that this is the closest America has ever been to a military coup.
F8. Earned the nickname 'Last of the Gunfighters' as it was the last U.S. Jet of that era to be produced with a Gun as standard armamnet. After that, the 'Missile Mentality' took over and the net gen fighters such as the Phantom relied soley on missiles. Over Vietman they learned the folly of that when they came up against Russian built MiGs that still had 20 and 30mm Cannon as part of their armament.
and the USN used gunpods on its F-4s (The gun made the F-4E about 1m longer than the standard making it problematic for carrier use with that long nose)
KiwiKugai Navy F4's never carried internal Cannon's yet still managed to keep a positive win to Loss Ratio after the navy addressed the problems with ground crew handling missile's and training pilots to dogfight
And yet "somehow" the vast majority of kills even in Vietnam were missile kills not gun kills. Only four of the F-8's victories in Vietnam were with guns, the remaining 15 were all missile kills.
This entire scene was shot in the Philippines. These F-8s/RF-8s belonged to the Philippine Air Force and were taken out of mothballs by the production crew to shoot this scene. None of them were airworthy nor did they even light the engines. They repainted them in US markings and towed them around the ramp at the former Clark AFB. If you look closely you will notice some airworthy PAF F-5s in the background.
Watching this, I'm noticing a very small mistake that only people who know the F-8's would notice, and won't unsee, is they are using the RF-8G in an event 3 years before the first RF-8G was built....
oliver empleo The Pilipino Soldiers fought in Korea. And have a good fight against The Reds. While those Turks and Puerto Ricans Run like no end when they saw the reds Charging. The Pilipino Soldiers Finished the Job.
What's insane is that this was done almost everyday during the Cuban missile Crisis. There were 14 2-jet sorties over Cuba on October 27th alone! It's amazing none of them were shot down, the flak was apparently pretty heavy at times!
I love that they used real F-8's instead of A-7's or something totally unrelated. That's a major detail that most Hollywood productions wouldn't bother with. So those nitpicking other details are kind of missing a major point.
@@geoffreyherrick9900 Very late response, but from what I can see the F-8 did take off from land-based airfields with the variable-incidence wing raised.
@@geoffreyherrick9900 Incorrect. The variable incidence wing was raised for both takeoff and landing. This gives the wing a higher AOA while keeping the fuselage fairly level.
Officially the Cuba Missile crisis lasted 35 days: RF-8 Crusader "The Eyes of the Fleet" were used to make low level Recce photographs while the U2 Angels cruised above 20 Km. October 23, 1962 the incident involving Cmdr William Ecker and Lt Bruce Wilhelmy is well-known as both pilots were awarded the DFC - Distinguished Flying Cross (USA). Another incident involving RF-8 Crusader pilots LtCdmr Tad Riley & Capt Fred Carolan encountering a Mig 21-F was also well-documented. In addition to its U-2s, the USAF also used photo-reconnaisance RF-101 Voodoos over Cuba.
Yes the only place they could find F8s? Well yes with French Air Force but the producers had F5s as additional props plus shooting at Clark, a former American Air Force base.
I vaguely remember watching this movie as a very small kid, and for some reason I 'remember' seeing that the aircraft were absolutely riddled with holes, and asking my dad how they were still flying. Having a wing perforated with relatively small-caliber rounds isn't quite what I remember, but I'm still surprised that the plane was flying after that.
Now and then, air boss would give an F-8 pilot permission to run up the port side of my carrier (USS Ticonderoga CVA-14) supersonic. What a sight! Complete silence followed by a huge blast of sound as the plane, in a blur, shot past. My A-4 squadron mates were duly impressed and a little jealous.
@@MrBraddles3128 Christopher Lawford was the son of Pat Kennedy and her husband Peter Lawford. In fact Christopher Lawford looks very much like his father. Not sure what you are trying to proof with your comment.
@@hannejeppesen2887 Maybe if you actually pay attention; you'll realise that I'm saying that there a tonne of descendants of the Kennedys because of all of the fucking they did. Either smarten up or shut up.
These pilots are not wearing parachutes, only parachute harness, that attaches to built in parachute in the ejection seat. F-8 did not have built in parachutes or for that matter any fighter of that Era.
I cannot fathom why so many nit-picking comments about the inconsistencies in this scene. The point of the film is to show how close the world came to Armageddon and we can all be eternally grateful that in JFK, the US had a President and the free world, a leader, who was an astute and great statesman.
You are so right. US (I was still a teen ager in 1962 living in my native Denmark, but my Dad was very worried, so we had the news on all the time, my Dad was a big fan of JFK) the US was lucky that Kennedy was a student of history, and stood up to his generals. Just these days with the Iran situation I would feel more comfortable if Trump had a little more knowledge of history, although I commend him for trying to deescalate the situation, and I'm no Trump fan. In fact there is a new book who as far as I have heard gives an updated and detailed account of JFK and the Cuban Missile Crisis, I heard the author interviewed on the John Batchelor show, who is no liberal, don't remember the authors name.
Too much Hollywood here. Nobody pulls up and jumps in their aircraft unless it is a scramble. You have to complete all preflight checks and fill out the forms before you fly.
Some of the dialogues may be real but there is much fiction in this film for commercial and political reasons, like all the drama with O'Donnell's family or the concealment of the Arkhipov incident.
Is that from personal experience? You do what you have to do to egress from enemy territory to your home or a friendly base. If an IAF (Israel) F-15 continued to fly and land with most of the plane's port wing missing from a missile hit, a plane can definitely still fly with holes in the wing.
Supposed to be RF-8As, but really they were F-8Es or Ks painted up to look like an RF-8 squadrons. Hard to tell from here because some of them have the "blisters" and antenna firings of the F-8E's and J's but the nose cone of an F-8C/D/K.
Hey, I'm amazed they got the right plans at all. Usually it's something totally different. I would have even been impressed if they used A-7s in lieu given how they look similar.
The reason the A-7 looks so close to the F-8 is because the A-7 was based on the F-8's airframe, so they probably could have used A-7s, with some modifications and a paint job, as a reasonable stand in.
F8U-1P , the reconnaissance variant was lighter and faster then tactical variant. In film the element was at treetop and close Mach1. Cubes and Russkies would not hear it that long before overflight. Overflight itself appeared low for proper reece mission. IMHO.
This is a scene arranged by someone with a love for aviation. Even though it's such a small part of the movie and relatively short, it was masterfully done - the cockpit view and the way the banking turn shots were made is fantastic. To top it off the F8 is one of the best looking planes of the cold war era, and one of the fastest, and man do they scoot in this scene. Before RUclips, whenever I watched this movie I would always be waiting for this scene to come up. To think that two F8 pilots really did this as well, that's balls of steel to just fly straight into a hostile country right on the deck just to snap some pictures.
@Beatnik to the average viewer, that's all it is... But it still takes balls of adamantium to make a low level photo recon run.
If you are into jets, look for the simulated attack on Nellis. Best jet video I know.
Reminds me the film The Bridges at Toko-Ri with Bill Holden, there is a scene just like this flying Panther jets (1954)
They were also F8U-1P recon ships, or at least someone took the trouble to make them look that way.
I always just absolutely loved this scene ....... has always been one of my all-time favorite movie scenes ......... direction, editing, music and cinematography are just incredible!! I get chills every time I watch it!!!
I come back on this RUclips page to look at it once in a while too. :D
Love the speed at 2:27
@Exeter1705 of course another great: ruclips.net/video/MvyBrX1eK4I/видео.html
13 days is one of the most intact historical movies ever, the direction is just great and the acting is top-notch, I wonder where they got all those crusaders for the filming, I couldn't imagine too much of it was CGI but it's an impressive movie thats definitely a hidden gem
One of the great underrated Aviation scenes in film IMO. Love F-8's, they always got overshadowed by the Phantom, but Crusaders were always badass and sexy as hell.
Just an awesome plane all around love the quad cannons. Fast, maneuverable had good range it was a beast!
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There’s a very good reason she was called “MiG Master!”
Try to find Snort Snodgrass telling the story of him taxiing behind 2 F-8's
The pilot snuffed out his cigarette then closed the canopy and took off.
He made it sound so Mad Men cool
I am an ex Air Force jet mechanic but the F-8 always turned my crank. One of the sexiest jets out there. Love that tilt wing!
Lockheed SR-71, nothing comes close.
J4CKR4881T look at all you guys, know all about planes but will never fly or own one besides Rickey he says he’s X Air Force apparently
The F-8 is a Navy plane, isn't that like me saying I was in the Navy and loved working on the F-15 Eagle?
@@strictly_fades you have any problem with it ???
@@Strome88
Sorry, but from what I know, the Saab Viggen gave the blackbird a run for it's money. And, if it could not out right beat it, than the Avro Arrow definitely would have made a black bird pilot sweat, the arrow was rated to go well above Mach II.
It is so awesome to see these F8's in a movie. My Dad was a jet engine mechanic in VFP-63 for most of his 24 year Navy career. In 1982 when they decommissioned the F8, my Dad was one of the longest standing jet engine mechanic's. If not thee longest standing F8 jet engine mechanic, from 1960 to 1982.
It's great to see this. Now, it's time to see where I can rent this movie, and watch it with Dad. Although it's the VFP-62 squadron in the movie, I'm sure my dad will get a kick out of seeing this.
The "Eye's of the Fleet" which is painted on the center part of the wing when it was tilted, was originally painted on the wing at Miramar NAS. Which is in San Diego, California.
My dad was a on navy bomber crew in WWII, PBMs VPB17, its rare to see anything in the movies for those less known bombers/fighters.
VFP-206 retired the RF-8G in March of 1987.
Awesome!!!!
If you can add up some extra information, that's cool Buddy! Thanks! :)
Joe, what is so funny is after VIETNAM, I believe there was only one SQUADRON of F8s for the entire fleet, so they were DETACHED. I was on CV64 CONSTELLATION and that was our Squadron for many cruses.
god the cinematography in this scene is so awesome. i especially love how the capture of photos what cycling in beat with the music. i think that made that small segment have a lot more weight than it would have without it.
The Vought F-8 Crusader was known as the last of the gun fighters, they were truly epic beasts of the air and served America proudly.
"When you're out of F8s, you're out of fighters!"
Fuckin 'A"
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One of the Navy RF-8 pilots who flew these missions was future astronaut Roger Chaffee, who would die in the Apollo 1 fire in 1967.
This scene is also a textbook example of how to use the best of both worlds: CGI and practical effects.
What I love about this scene is how accurate they got it - when you typically in movies see an entire unit of these aircraft they are all painted the same and due to movie effect tricks they are super imposed one over the other - which means same serial number and ton of other identification which one aircraft to the next should be different. Here every single aircraft is different from the next which surprised me the first time I saw it
Had to cost a fortune to repaint those aircraft.
Ahh the Philippines.....Ang aking bansa.......Where some of the Cold War scenes including tropical scenery were filmed.Glad to let my country be part of the filmmaking business during the Cold War.
TheBatallion69 Watch the Boys of Company "C"
Loved the Philippines 🇵🇭
Hey ryukai the philippine also operates F8 crusaders brought by Marcos and retired in 1991 due to lack of spare parts for the 25 units
99% Talks about the errors and the goodness of them
1% Talks about if anybody have even noticed this is from the Philippines.
wgaf
Yes this is Philippine Airforce F-8s
Yep, refurbished as props for this movie.
Did you noticed the F8 are towed when the movie is showing taxing?
@@ianendangan7462 because by the time of movie shooting, the philippine crusaders were non operational for a decade
Really cool to see this. I was a Photographer in VFP-62 starting early 1963 and CDR. Ecker was my C.O.
Thank you for your service. Fair winds and following seas!
The RF-8 -birds with GY in the movie should have been marked CY, the ID for Marine Recon Squadron VMCJ-2 (now VMAQ-2) based out of Cherry Point. The techs are loading 5 inch film into the camera bays. I joined the unit shortly after those mission were flown and knew some of the crews and worked on those aircraft.. Both Navy and Marine aviators flew these missions and had the same training.
And "Charlie Yankee" was awarded Presidential Unit Citation for their efforts. [Q-2 1986-99].
Q2 Playboys got disbanded because the Prowler got retired.......damn shame considering the antique airframe
It's a great scene, but totally inaccurate. Ecker led the first low level photorecon mission over Cuba, depicted here. However, the Cubans had no idea they were coming, at full throttle on the deck, they were under radar and on the site so fast that Ecker himself stated that they literally caught the Cubans "running for their guns". He was a consultant on the film I believe, told them that he was not shot at during this mission, but they wanted to sexy it up. However, other missions were very much shot at, with the Cuban air force even attempting air to air inteceptions of these missions.
The thing is with movies based in true story -- they will combine everything at once! This specicifc scene may be inaccurate but it still represent the overall conflict as in other missions they were shot at as you pointed out yourself. Often this is how movies work when based on true story. They will put as much as accuracy as possible but they also have to keep the length of the movie as short as possible. So one scene may actually represent a whole battle. They did the same thing with Black Hawk Down. When the pilot got captured, there never was a helicopter flying overheard shouting *( pilot name ) we will not leave you behind* right away. This actually happened much AFTER the long Mogadishu battle. But not during. But they still included that in the movie just to be able to tell the story as much as they could. And those tactics still work in my opinion.
As all films and what else in 2021 is accurate. I have a need for more truth in life but in hollywood I need escapism. You are not wrong in your comment. Is there an appetite for the younger generation for truth?
They want to make it dramatic, that's why.
@@calvincrane this was made in 2000
The adage is don’t let the truth get in the way of a good story isn’t it!!
I was always a big F-4 Phantom II fan, well that is until I got my first look at the F-8 Crusader, the last of the Gunfighters. What an absolute amazing jet, single engine pumping out serious power, and with a variable incident wing, absolutely remarkable.
Always loved this movie as my First Squadron in the Navy was the next to last RF-8G Crusader Squadron (VFP-306) based out of NAF Washington DC right across the runway from Air Force one. Always loved going out on the flight line and watching the jets take off early in the morning in Full Afterburner as the ground shakes and watching them climb out.
It’s interesting to note that both actors playing the pilots are related in real life to the main players of the Cuban Missile Crisis - Christopher Lawford was JFK’s nephew, while the other actor, David O’Donnell, is the grandson of Kenny O’Donnell.
For real? Your joking right😮😮😮😮😮
My dad knew the F-8 pilot that this (part) of the story is based on, his original report said he hit a PHONE line on his first pass. When he was informed that this looks like a strike from the ground he said it was sparrows or starlings that he hit! When I was in the navy 81-87 the marines photorecon guys had t-shirts that said 8th annual LAST F-8 cruise! If I recall right we lost four recon aircraft during the crisis, an f-8, a pair of F-101's and a U-2 (which cost them nearly every missile in Cuba to finally get).
@J C lies, yes, but to prevent global war
The actor who played Commander Ecker was Christopher Kennedy Lawford, a member of the prominent Kennedy family, and son of actor Peter Lawford and Patricia "Pat" Kennedy Lawford, who was the sister of President John F. Kennedy.
That’s actually really cool. It didn’t cross my mind at all he was actually the nephew of JFK
Best part of the whole movie. I could watch this scene over and over and still not get tired of it. I can't say that for too many other movies.
In the real crisis, Cuban and Soviet personnel did fire at the low level Recon flights, but no hits were scored. This was mainly due the speed and altitude of the aircraft mostly denying AAA from being able to fire until after the overhead pass of the aircraft. The real Cmdr Eckr (the lead pilot in this scene) states in his book that he definitely saw flak bursts in his rear view mirrors after making photo runs over Soviet-Cuban positions
20mm or 40mm Sparrows?
That's right.. I was about to call BS
My friend's father who was an RF 101 C pilot was in Saigon teaching South Vietnam teaching South Vietnamese pilots in October 1962. His name was Charles E Shelton. Sadly on his 33rd birthday 29 April 1965 he was shot down near Sam Neua, Laos while on a photo recon mission to photograph the Pathet Lao caves around Vieng Xai which is near Sam Neua since bad weather made him and his wingman who flew an F105 but I don't know which class abort their first target of doing a bomb damage assessment around the Pathet Lao caves. Charles safely ejected from his crippled and burning aircraft and landed uninjured and was told he'd be picked up in 30 minutes but sadly bad weather prevented the rescue and he was captured by the Pathet Lao 3 days later and to this day his fate is unknown because his remains have never been found or recovered but it is a known fact he and another pilot were held in the caves and he was a courageous man for his many attempts to escape.
Unless the ground target had advanced warning of the jets coming I don't think they would have been able to get their AA guns going. Those jets came in low and fast. They would have been over the target and gone again with no reaction time for the ground.
This was the first low level photo recon mission. Ecker was an advisor for the film and he said during that pass they literally caught the Cubans running for their weapons and thus he was not shot at. Other fights were shot at though as the Cubans were on alert and had their AA manned. Some Cuban MiGs also attempted interceptions but the F-8s were far too fast being supersonic and on the deck there was little to no warning.
I doubt they would have heard them until almost on top of them. I had an F/A-18 buzz my position on a mountaintop at Ft. Irwin and only noticed him at about 1500 feet away when I saw his intakes pointed right at me. That was a wonderful 0600.
They didn't need to hear them. The Russians had radar set up on the island as soon as the anti-aircraft troops were put in place. Did you see the SA-2's? Guess how you aim them?
They were at maybe 50ft or even less on that pass. Radars 50yrs ago weren't that good. A tracking radar today could probably find it but it takes a fire control radar locking onto the target to be able to fire a missile at it. Besides SA-2s were basically ballistic for the first few hundred feet they flew until the radar started feeding data to it.
caribman10 SAMs are not affective against low flying aircraft. Most losses of fix wings aircraft during Vietnam were from AAA than SAMs or MiGs
F-8 Crusader.........."Last of the Gunfighters"
Josh Downs last of the Century Series gun fighter after that all generations of fighter have guns built in as standard armament.
Was developed for firing air to air missiles ...
John, IIRC it was also the last fighter developed before the F-4, which didn't feature a gun originally, hence "Last of the Gunfighters"
I had these f8s on my carrier in 1978.
@Robert Griffith You're an idiot, really man
They were A7 Corsairs, we had them on the Nimitz also. The F8's were long gone by then.
@@hudsonhawk0016 recon version was still active in '78
The F-8J was retired from fleet squadrons by the Navy in 1976. RF-8Gs continued to fly in the reserves with VFP-206 retiring the type in 1987.
In real life, the speed that these planes were doing, at close to the ground as they were; those Cubans would not hear the jets until they were on top of them.
Forward observers could have sounded a general alarm via radio reporting on their numbers, types, spotting location, speed, altitude and heading, thereby putting all AA units on alert.
Acoustics may have been tipped in the Cubans favor, given geological factors like water which is a perfect conductor for sound & vibrations + mountains in the background which can make far away noise sound like its right there. My city just ended a 4yr contract with ShotSpotter, because they can't accurately pinpoint gunfire because we have so many hills >>on a clear night, you can hear shots/fireworks from miles around...so something noisy like an early jet engine would be way easy
The terrain valley could've echoed the turbine sounds.
did you ever been in the air force? you can hear slow planes not jets.
@@firstinflightuk Radar does not work that close to the ground - EVEN TODAY.
The F-8 Crusader is one of the most beautiful and elegant aircraft to grace the skies. 🇺🇸👍
I have always loved this scene since I first seen this movie back in 2001 my history report was on the Cuban Missile Crisis Titled The Cold War Heatwave.
Thanks for posting One of my favorite scenes-The Music really makes the scene even more thrilling!
One of the most under rated movies EVER
*1:47** SMILE! You're On Candid Camera! :))*
Got to see hundreds of F-8's and others, 4 years at NAS Mirmar. USN, 68-72, ETR-2, GCA RADAR maintenance and TACAN. Had 2 AN/FPN-36 QUAD RADAR, an FPN 52 (16) GCA. Our shop was off the back end of the "bore sight range" along the taxiway. Worked part time at the station auto hobby shop.
Loved the F-8's! Had some when I first reported onboard the USS Ranger. The F-8 reminded me of the WWII Fighter P-40 aka Flying Tiger.
when i was on the uss coral sea, the F-8 was the aircraft everyone paid close attention to.. all aircraft were dangerous while on the flight deck, but the F-8 could suck you up in a nano second. i actually witnessed it.
Wow, I can imagine you must have some stories to tell Terry. I remember once watching a documentary which highlighted the dangers of the arresting cable for landing planes - if the cable snapped it could easily cut a person in half. The deck of an aircraft carrier can definitely be a dangerous place!
i have never witnessed an arresting cable break while on the uss saratoga or the uss coral sea... the guys in charge of that dept were always inspecting & changing arresting cables right after fight ops. every job on a flight deck is very dangerous, but our job as aviation ordnance was especially dangerous. when the planes were hooked up to the 'cats' , it was our job to pull all the safety pins, wind in the 20mm cannons & plug all the rockets in.. we were doing all this with plane revving up, cat cables stretched & the cat officer yelling at you to hurry up! stressful? you bet! but we always got the job done.
terry wheatley You have to remember to retract the speed brake on the bottom of the fuselage before you land, it hung down lower than the nose wheel.
There is an actual video showing a guy sucked into an A6. Then spit out the back. He lived to tell about it...
ruclips.net/video/unXNdrtf2_g/видео.html
Nonsense, that was his cranial and vest that was spit out. He was lucky, he came out through the intake.
Commander Ecker is played by Christopher Kennedy Lawford. He actually passed away last year. His mother was Patricia Kennedy. His father was Peter Lawford.
R.I.P.
He did look like Peter Lawford, although I think he was better looking, lankier and more chiseled features. I read his book about overcoming his addictions, heroin and other stuff, he sounded like a nice guy, probably the years of doing drugs damaged his heart, too bad.
Tom V this does not make his middle name Kennedy. Why is it every relative, whose last name is not Kennedy, get it as a middle name.
Say what you will, F-8 Crusader was a hoss of a warbird!
Love all the edge-lord comments from junior politics majors who just graduated middle school.
heh
Which, in many cases, has absolutely NOTHING to do with actually being behind the stick and under the` canopy. Sadly, for "experts", reading Wikipedia just doesn't make it over real-world experience. "Research". Yeah. But not talking to a real F8 pilot, I'd wager. By the way, did any of you "experts" happen to note the 1/2 scale SA-2's in the picture? Anybody? (crickets.....).
The computer will never replace a properly educated human mind.
How's that?
Jack The Giant Killer it's called a movie, smartass.
I got my Masters in Google Search Fu! I am a subject matter expert!
None of the F-8 [belonging to the Philippines AF, you can see Pinatubo in the background] could fly, after the volcanic ash toasted the planes.
They were towed for the taxi scenes.
The Crusader is seriously my favorite navy fighter of all time. Such a bad was looking plane.
F-8 Crusader-The last of the gunfighters.My favroite Navy supersonic fighter.
F 8 Crusader one badass aircraft...LOVE IT!!!
"ARE THOSE 20mm or 40mm SPARROWS!!?"
shh we where not there i know not thing im not bleeding it just a paper cut
My favourite scene in the film, too bad this quote between the lead and his wingman were not included.
do not play with my feelings, and give me a reason to do not buy one
Un Mexica, do not play with my feelings and give me a reason to do not buy one
Chris Mason Seriously".....? This an actual event, the Corsairs made low level photo recon flights into Cuba and the DID return, some with AAA damage. Granted Hollywood did "sex" it a bit, gotta sell those tickets.
The Crusader was truly bad ass.
Fun fact: the actor playing the pilot is Chris Lawford, son of actor Peter Lawford and therefore JFK's nephew.
great scene i love that plane, 10-26-2022
I love the Vought RF-8 Crusader reconnaissance/fighter planes in this video! These two planes are scene doing a reconnaissance over Cuba in 1962 during the Cuban Missile Crisis to see what nuclear weapons they have! But did you know in the 1980 movie The Final Countdown the USS Nimitz aircraft carrier had Vought RF-8 Crusaders onboard the ship and one of them flew a reconnaissance flight over Pearl Harbor to see the vintage look of the U.S. Navy in 1941 because the USS Nimitz traveled back in time to that era to save Pearl Harbor from the Japanese! Thanks!
The same company that made the indomitable Corsair during WW2.
The Final Countdown. Great movie, but before the plot could truly get interesting, the carrier reentered the time vortex. Although the Tomcat vs Zeros was a great scene.
Nice scene! I used to analyze F-8 images in the Med, CV-67 USS JFK. We had a detachment of 3 VFP-63 birds. They were beautiful.
Fact Check: those F-8 Jets are from the Philippines.. This scene filmed somewhere in Pampanga Philippines... The base is the Clark Air Base (Philippine Base in Luzon)
Yep...no mountains in Florida!
Except Clark was destroyed by Mount Pinatubo, A valcano before this movie was made- Although it was most likely the Philippines
nice 1980s IHC fuel truck.
Incorrect. Just saw this. Pinatubo was in June 1991. Ought to know as I was there right after down in Manila. Clark Air Base was not destroyed as the runways were unaffected. By the mid-90's flights were being conducted out of Clark by the Philippine Air Force and the U.S. Air Force. I have photos of our planes over Clark and Angeles. Have personally been on the base many times between 1995-2008. In reply to Big Chris.
You would be correct Clark Air Base it's all volcano Ash now God I love Angeles City $5 f*** you long time
It was great seeing RF-8's in a movie!
2:11 "Americano Blyat" I'm DEAD. I just noticed that!
Last F8 crusader fly in the French Navy (F-8E (FN) and F-8P, up to 1999... the P version (for "Prolongated" ,in 1990, to hold up all the Rafale M are ready) was a bit upgraded in France...
The last F8 squadron that is (semi) flying is in The Philippines. Watched a video on RUclips.
Jeffrey Steinberg
These were decommissioned Philippine F-8s
God, I love the F-8 Crusader! One of the best theme in Ten Days.💪
I am so thankful to God for these men, engineers and all those who participated in this operation.
0:30 saying good luck to a pilot is a big no no, if a ground crew says it to a pilot, they immediately stop their departure and question the guy what he did to the plane.
LoL, really?
@@mtumeumrani376 well, I know that WWII German pilots had a saying "Hals- und Beinbruch" that basically meant "break your leg and neck" and there IS a superstition about having a picture taken prior to a combat mission, so there is some background to the rumour...
@@mattjacomos2795 "Hals- und Beinbruch!" wasn't just limited to the pilots. It's a common saying in Germany for "Good luck!"
Back in the late 70’s I was fishing Lee Vining Creek (Aspen Camp grounds), just off of SR-120, W/O Lee Vining, CA. Behind me is an almost vertical rocky mountain range and to my right the area opened up into a large meadow and the two mountain ranges I was down in opened up as well. All of a sudden I heard a most uncommon sound for this area (normally very quiet, except for wind and water) I looked behind me at the elevated mountain range and now down towards the opening meadow. An F-8 Crusader on its side, canopy in my direction, contouring the side of the mountain and below the top on the mountain range………… unbelievable sight.
I've spent many a fall there photographing and camping on my weekends. I can definitely see one streaking through there like that!
That's John F. Kennedy's nephew (and Peter Lawford's son) playing that first pilot!
And the actor who plays the 2nd pilot is the grandson of Kenneth O'Donnell..
+Karl Ahlf Hey, thanks for pointing that out! I wasn't aware. Interesting how many people peripherally involved in those times were in the film. Lots of people claim that this is the closest America has ever been to a military coup.
Adam Churvis Damn, and sure enough he does look like his dad.
Yes and so sad to hear of his passing i enjoyed the few roles he played he always stood out ,, RIP
mmhm Christopher Kennedy Lawford
F8.
Earned the nickname 'Last of the Gunfighters' as it was the last U.S. Jet of that era to be produced with a Gun as standard armamnet. After that, the 'Missile Mentality' took over and the net gen fighters such as the Phantom relied soley on missiles. Over Vietman they learned the folly of that when they came up against Russian built MiGs that still had 20 and 30mm Cannon as part of their armament.
And then the U.S. produced the F-4E that has a cannon as factory standard.
and the USN used gunpods on its F-4s (The gun made the F-4E about 1m longer than the standard making it problematic for carrier use with that long nose)
then after that starting with the F-15 we once more added guns as part of the standard armament
KiwiKugai Navy F4's never carried internal Cannon's yet still managed to keep a positive win to Loss Ratio after the navy addressed the problems with ground crew handling missile's and training pilots to dogfight
And yet "somehow" the vast majority of kills even in Vietnam were missile kills not gun kills. Only four of the F-8's victories in Vietnam were with guns, the remaining 15 were all missile kills.
They have got to be the shiniest, cleanest, sparkling and unblemished carrier aircraft I have seen.
g2macs You ever seen a CAG or squadron CO bird that wasn't unblemished? lol
Clean & shiny indeed. They weren't on a carrier though. They took off from a naval base in Florida.
KoolCat ! The GY on the tail would indicate Guantanamo
This entire scene was shot in the Philippines. These F-8s/RF-8s belonged to the Philippine Air Force and were taken out of mothballs by the production crew to shoot this scene. None of them were airworthy nor did they even light the engines. They repainted them in US markings and towed them around the ramp at the former Clark AFB. If you look closely you will notice some airworthy PAF F-5s in the background.
I saw this film today and felt it was underrated.
Concur. It's very well done and gets better with time.
Watching this, I'm noticing a very small mistake that only people who know the F-8's would notice, and won't unsee, is they are using the RF-8G in an event 3 years before the first RF-8G was built....
I'm not even sure if those are RF-8Gs. They look to have the IRST and extra avionics hump of the later-upgraded Crusader models
1:59
"What's the matter, do you hear something?"
"Don't know, can't identify it."
Rough translation, but close enough, I guess.
at 0:01 - 0:02 you can see the Philippine F-5 Tigers in the upper left of the scene
Christopher Lawford did it right here. Bit of historical irony too to cap it off.
And he is JFK's nephew. No joke.
@@partikelsmusic You're right. That is what I was alluding to. It's sad that Christopher Lawford is no longer sharing his Earthly walk with us.
2 secs after getting in the cockpit "alright we're ready to go"
"When you're out of 'Crusaders,' you're out of gunfighters..."
F105 Thunderchief hold my beer. 27 dogfight kills, almost perfect for a supersonic nuke bomber.
Filmed at Clark Air Force Base, Pampanga Philippines and the scene are in zambales,
Korean People's Army yes you're right bcoz americanos cannot live without the filipinos!
oliver empleo
Nah we got Japan and South Korea XD
Ironmike 2022 nah,no one can beat the filipina talent and beauties even the south koreans,japan and the american.
That's my country Philippines
oliver empleo The Pilipino Soldiers fought in Korea. And have a good fight against The Reds. While those Turks and Puerto Ricans Run like no end when they saw the reds Charging. The Pilipino Soldiers Finished the Job.
What's insane is that this was done almost everyday during the Cuban missile Crisis. There were 14 2-jet sorties over Cuba on October 27th alone! It's amazing none of them were shot down, the flak was apparently pretty heavy at times!
I think that both West and East owe the pilots of the Cold War for their bravery.
I love that they used real F-8's instead of A-7's or something totally unrelated. That's a major detail that most Hollywood productions wouldn't bother with. So those nitpicking other details are kind of missing a major point.
When they were filming, there were still flyable F-8s. Thank the French Navy for that.
Saw this in the movies, my namesake, great flick!
Dec. 3, 2023----I was a kid in elementary school and we were stationed at Homestead AFB during this time>
It was really nice to watch one of the crusaders take off with the pilot access step still open. Sloppy ground crews miss these little details.
James Henry I don't think they'd be taking off with the wing raised like that either.
More like sloppy CGI work
@@geoffreyherrick9900 Very late response, but from what I can see the F-8 did take off from land-based airfields with the variable-incidence wing raised.
@@geoffreyherrick9900 Incorrect. The variable incidence wing was raised for both takeoff and landing. This gives the wing a higher AOA while keeping the fuselage fairly level.
Officially the Cuba Missile crisis lasted 35 days: RF-8 Crusader "The Eyes of the Fleet" were used to make low level Recce photographs while the U2 Angels cruised above 20 Km.
October 23, 1962 the incident involving Cmdr William Ecker and Lt Bruce Wilhelmy is well-known as both pilots were awarded the DFC - Distinguished Flying Cross (USA). Another incident involving RF-8 Crusader pilots LtCdmr Tad Riley & Capt Fred Carolan encountering a Mig 21-F was also well-documented.
In addition to its U-2s, the USAF also used photo-reconnaisance RF-101 Voodoos over Cuba.
I was at the official retirement of the RF8 back in the..90s? As the caterer. Well still got to witness history of sorts.
1987
Glad they were able to make this movie in the Philippines
Yes the only place they could find F8s? Well yes with French Air Force but the producers had F5s as additional props plus shooting at Clark, a former American Air Force base.
My hats off to all combat Pilots....
I vaguely remember watching this movie as a very small kid, and for some reason I 'remember' seeing that the aircraft were absolutely riddled with holes, and asking my dad how they were still flying. Having a wing perforated with relatively small-caliber rounds isn't quite what I remember, but I'm still surprised that the plane was flying after that.
Chris Lawford, JFK's nephew.
Now and then, air boss would give an F-8 pilot permission to run up the port side of my carrier (USS Ticonderoga CVA-14) supersonic. What a sight! Complete silence followed by a huge blast of sound as the plane, in a blur, shot past. My A-4 squadron mates were duly impressed and a little jealous.
1:11 - 1:12 You can see the Mount Arayat, in Pampanga Philippines
Sa Clark pla yan na shooting
F - 8クルーセイダ機は、僕たちが、幼稚園生の時代、アメリカ海軍の、主力戦闘機だったですね。
映像見たら、かっこいい戦闘機ですね。
When you run out of F-8's. You run out of fighters.
😢
Came here from that carrier attack scene in Sum of All Fears. The jump in realism is beautiful.
The actor, who play the role of pilot is the son of JFK's brother-in-law
Oh, please. The Kennedys fucked so many women that they probably have as many descendants as Ghengis Khan.
@@MrBraddles3128 Christopher Lawford was the son of Pat Kennedy and her husband Peter Lawford. In fact Christopher Lawford looks very much like his father. Not sure what you are trying to proof with your comment.
@@hannejeppesen2887 Maybe if you actually pay attention; you'll realise that I'm saying that there a tonne of descendants of the Kennedys because of all of the fucking they did. Either smarten up or shut up.
We had VFP 63 on the USS Hancock in 1970 on Yankee Station. VFP-63 had RF-8 Photo Birds.
These pilots are not wearing parachutes, only parachute harness, that attaches to built in parachute in the ejection seat. F-8 did not have built in parachutes or for that matter any fighter of that Era.
I love the technical nerding out in the comments. Lots of passion.
Loved this scene.
VMA 225 was the first Marine Attack Squadron ( A4C Skyhawks ) on the USS Enterprise during the Cuban Missile Crisis
I cannot fathom why so many nit-picking comments about the inconsistencies in this scene. The point of the film is to show how close the world came to Armageddon and we can all be eternally grateful that in JFK, the US had a President and the free world, a leader, who was an astute and great statesman.
You are so right. US (I was still a teen ager in 1962 living in my native Denmark, but my Dad was very worried, so we had the news on all the time, my Dad was a big fan of JFK) the US was lucky that Kennedy was a student of history, and stood up to his generals. Just these days with the Iran situation I would feel more comfortable if Trump had a little more knowledge of history, although I commend him for trying to deescalate the situation, and I'm no Trump fan. In fact there is a new book who as far as I have heard gives an updated and detailed account of JFK and the Cuban Missile Crisis, I heard the author interviewed on the John Batchelor show, who is no liberal, don't remember the authors name.
It's fair criticism. Knowing what really happened beyond the movie is important.
F-8 Crusader. What an AIRPLANE!
Too much Hollywood here. Nobody pulls up and jumps in their aircraft unless it is a scramble. You have to complete all preflight checks and fill out the forms before you fly.
Some of the dialogues may be real but there is much fiction in this film for commercial and political reasons, like all the drama with O'Donnell's family or the concealment of the Arkhipov incident.
Yes because what's more exciting than minutes of full pre-flight checks!?
Is that from personal experience? You do what you have to do to egress from enemy territory to your home or a friendly base. If an IAF (Israel) F-15 continued to fly and land with most of the plane's port wing missing from a missile hit, a plane can definitely still fly with holes in the wing.
you dont know much about what you are talking about do you? lol
LOL, nope not at all. 👍🏻
You don't mess with the F8,
Supposed to be RF-8As, but really they were F-8Es or Ks painted up to look like an RF-8 squadrons. Hard to tell from here because some of them have the "blisters" and antenna firings of the F-8E's and J's but the nose cone of an F-8C/D/K.
+ironroad I believe they are F8H IRL,belong to Philippine AF, but yes, in movies universe(62') they are supposed to be RF8.
Hey, I'm amazed they got the right plans at all. Usually it's something totally different. I would have even been impressed if they used A-7s in lieu given how they look similar.
The reason the A-7 looks so close to the F-8 is because the A-7 was based on the F-8's airframe, so they probably could have used A-7s, with some modifications and a paint job, as a reasonable stand in.
Could be a ground crew training base with grounded birds.
At least two of them are RFs, if you look at the :30 - 1:00 segment.
' we fly alone , unarmed, unafraid"
Hey that's Clark Pampanga in my country Philippines yeah!!!!!
bruh what
F8U-1P , the reconnaissance variant was lighter and faster then tactical variant. In film the element was at treetop and close Mach1. Cubes and Russkies would not hear it that long before overflight. Overflight itself appeared low for proper reece mission. IMHO.