Ange changed to back 3 with Oz national team in World Cup qualifiers. He has also adjusted depending on who CF is as he had used all shapes and sizes. Don’t believe he is a one trick pony
With a national team you have to work with what you have, in the premier league you try to build a team for the way you want to play. With Tottenham he will not change his formation because he believes that this is the best way to win.
I don't think Ange will ever change to a back 3 or a lopsided back 4. He is so committed to his attacking philosophy and simply won't compromise. Part of the fundamentals of that is committing so many players high up the pitch that it suffocates opponents and makes it almost impossible for them to get out. Sometimes as you say, great teams can pick through it and you have to say, that's fair enough. Bearing in mind we've gone toe to toe with most of the top teams this season and not been overwhelmed (Chelsea game apart), I think it shows his brave system is perfectly functional!
I agree with both pottero6 and jonasp6043. Having watched - and loved - Angeball for a couple of seasons with Celtic, he's going to be very positive that, in balance, his system will win. Rather than believe that championships are won by limiting goals, he believes that they are won by scoring goals.
As a top player, captain and goal scorer, Ange was coached by Ferenc Puskás: You score one goal, I score two. You don't score, duzzen madder, l still score 2.
I completely understand your point and somewhat agree with it. I think all top managers innovate and adapt though. This may not be his way of doing that but I still think he will learn to adapt certain aspects of his system against certain top opposition to prevent certain outcomes.
I think the the whole point of ange’s system is the unpredictability with both his wingbacks inverting higher up the pitch than other inverting wingbacks - it pulls the opposition out of position because they dont know how far they have to follow and mark them. Hence a back 3 makes it easier for the opponent to defend against us.
We have the players now to try something quite different, a 3-3-4! The wingers could now provide that width on the flanks, with Sarr and Bentancur progressing the ball and getting in on both attack and defence. Romero-Dragusin-VDV Bissouma-Sarr-Bentancur Johnson/Kulu - Maddison - Sonny/Werner Richarlison
This thing about which formation is named in line up isn't as important as player movement within the system. The other thing, which is something Ange has eluded to, is rather than change the system, his philosophy is just to get better at excuting the system. Don't forget that Ange is also still in the process of getting the right players in. He has managed to do all of this in a short space of time and despite the many injuries to key players. His first half year in the premier league is impressive. He has had the courage to stick to his convictions despite the early criticisms such as " you can't do this in the premier league." The most common comment now is "he is a breath of fresh air.'
The 6 usually covers the left side of the field more so than the right and covers Udogie when he pushes forward. Madders, or the 10 role, alternates frequently with Udogie and they switch between dropping deeper and pushing higher. VDV also offers that cover with his pace. It's generally the right side of the pitch which can be more vulnerable where Porro tends to be the player that pushes higher recently and fills that gap inbetween the oppositions midfield and attack. Sarr tends to pull a bit further wide and then Romero pushes higher up to try win balls aggressively. If we went to a back 3 we lose a lot of the attacking threat and it completely changes what I've written above and is less aggressive in the press. The idea of how Ange looks to defend is have players higher up the pitch to aggressively press and attempt to win the ball back whilst players are out of position. Of course this leaves us vulnerable to a counter, but that's obviously the risk and playing more CB's will inevitably reduce the effectiveness of how we attack. How it worked early is that Sarr would push much higher but I think Ange has identified Porro possibly being better on the ball and then using Sarr's energy to be the cover for Porro to push up
I hope we don't change to a back 3. Our current system's weaknesses are also our strengths. It's rare for two fullbacks to play as number 10s, which forces the opposition to have their wingers back. And if the wingers don't track back, we will have plenty of shooting opportunities in front.
Ange did switch to this back three lineup briefly during the Man U game. But it seemed like the goal was to have more attackers and move both wing backs fully into the midfield.
You don't lose shape if you only play sacrifice one of your attackers for the extra centre back. So you move from the 2,3,5 you've described to 3,3,4. I don't think he'd ever start with this formation but most definitely when we're in front and particularly when we are up against an excellent counter attack, I think this will help us protect some of the leads we have given away to date. And most definitely our back three would have Romero in the middle, given Dragusin can and has played as a right back (and Emerson also then gives you another option in that position).
Yay n Nay - Angeball says... we will score x2 for every x1 the opposition does... simple and often the opponents defense folds before they can mount a decent attack
It's all about averages and yep we give up width for our own overloads. Once the quality of our team / bench improves it won't be such an issue as it is now when key players are out. Last season and recently because of the injury certain players those brought in just ain't up to the standard and give the ball away to much. Pass backwards to much and are to slow not just just physically but mentally. Loving the football we now playing and it's being back to being real spurs i luved and have supported threw think and thin for over years. Ossie played a 235 formation but nothing like this system. Wow the gamrw was thrillers but he got sacked.. Ange has a great record of playing this way and i don't see him changing it much.
I agree with most of this. Although I think all top managers adapt at times. Ange’s matches in the CL with Celtic would have taught him a lot and I believe there will still be adaptations against certain opposition.
@@LilywhiteLab Yeah indeed although celtic are kinda not PL level. No disrespect to them though and it don't matter what tactics you use when you play clubs with much more talent. Especially now with 5 subs... But i do agree with you to some extent. Years ago bobby Robson when barca manager. They was winning 2 nil. Other team scored and was 5 or 10 to go.. what he did was brought on another attacker went 3 up top and scored a 3rd. Nowadays many go defensive. Definitely opened my eyes attack sometimes being the best form of defence.
Pretty sure this is why he bought dragusin. Sure, he won't start with a back 3. But dragusin could be Brought on if we're 1 0 up and taking a battering from man City or another top team
you will never see it Ange is not a fan of playing 3 at the back. you whole video sounded like you were begging/hoping for a back 3. the best for of defense is to attack and score the goals needed to win
Ange changed to back 3 with Oz national team in World Cup qualifiers. He has also adjusted depending on who CF is as he had used all shapes and sizes. Don’t believe he is a one trick pony
True, but the main reason he did that is because he didn't have the midfielders to play his prefered system.
With a national team you have to work with what you have, in the premier league you try to build a team for the way you want to play. With Tottenham he will not change his formation because he believes that this is the best way to win.
That vdv, dragon, romero combo is something to look forward to 😭😭
And the back up.
Not for the forwards to look forward to 🤣🤣
@@kairokeem205 with pace at the left, anger management issue on the right, and a dragon on either both. Yes, you are absolutely right. 😂
@@TomWeir-v5o hopefully ashley and the other young defender we signed not too long ago doing well. Bright future ahead on the defensive side for sure
I don't think Ange will ever change to a back 3 or a lopsided back 4. He is so committed to his attacking philosophy and simply won't compromise. Part of the fundamentals of that is committing so many players high up the pitch that it suffocates opponents and makes it almost impossible for them to get out. Sometimes as you say, great teams can pick through it and you have to say, that's fair enough. Bearing in mind we've gone toe to toe with most of the top teams this season and not been overwhelmed (Chelsea game apart), I think it shows his brave system is perfectly functional!
No system is foolproof but playing this type of attacking style AND scoring puts a lot more pressure on the other side.
I agree with both pottero6 and jonasp6043. Having watched - and loved - Angeball for a couple of seasons with Celtic, he's going to be very positive that, in balance, his system will win. Rather than believe that championships are won by limiting goals, he believes that they are won by scoring goals.
As a top player, captain and goal scorer, Ange was coached by Ferenc Puskás: You score one goal, I score two. You don't score, duzzen madder, l still score 2.
@@ozzymick1431 Exactly!!
I completely understand your point and somewhat agree with it.
I think all top managers innovate and adapt though. This may not be his way of doing that but I still think he will learn to adapt certain aspects of his system against certain top opposition to prevent certain outcomes.
Romero is far more of a distributor than Van de ven
Agreed, VDV is the pace man in this set up
100%, Romero is the much better passer.
Yep, his long ball is always been overlooked by the rival teams which will be a huge plus in our playstyle.
I think the the whole point of ange’s system is the unpredictability with both his wingbacks inverting higher up the pitch than other inverting wingbacks - it pulls the opposition out of position because they dont know how far they have to follow and mark them. Hence a back 3 makes it easier for the opponent to defend against us.
We have the players now to try something quite different, a 3-3-4! The wingers could now provide that width on the flanks, with Sarr and Bentancur progressing the ball and getting in on both attack and defence.
Romero-Dragusin-VDV
Bissouma-Sarr-Bentancur
Johnson/Kulu - Maddison - Sonny/Werner
Richarlison
This thing about which formation is named in line up isn't as important as player movement within the system. The other thing, which is something Ange has eluded to, is rather than change the system, his philosophy is just to get better at excuting the system. Don't forget that Ange is also still in the process of getting the right players in. He has managed to do all of this in a short space of time and despite the many injuries to key players. His first half year in the premier league is impressive. He has had the courage to stick to his convictions despite the early criticisms such as " you can't do this in the premier league." The most common comment now is "he is a breath of fresh air.'
The 6 usually covers the left side of the field more so than the right and covers Udogie when he pushes forward. Madders, or the 10 role, alternates frequently with Udogie and they switch between dropping deeper and pushing higher. VDV also offers that cover with his pace. It's generally the right side of the pitch which can be more vulnerable where Porro tends to be the player that pushes higher recently and fills that gap inbetween the oppositions midfield and attack. Sarr tends to pull a bit further wide and then Romero pushes higher up to try win balls aggressively. If we went to a back 3 we lose a lot of the attacking threat and it completely changes what I've written above and is less aggressive in the press. The idea of how Ange looks to defend is have players higher up the pitch to aggressively press and attempt to win the ball back whilst players are out of position. Of course this leaves us vulnerable to a counter, but that's obviously the risk and playing more CB's will inevitably reduce the effectiveness of how we attack. How it worked early is that Sarr would push much higher but I think Ange has identified Porro possibly being better on the ball and then using Sarr's energy to be the cover for Porro to push up
I hope we don't change to a back 3. Our current system's weaknesses are also our strengths. It's rare for two fullbacks to play as number 10s, which forces the opposition to have their wingers back. And if the wingers don't track back, we will have plenty of shooting opportunities in front.
We won’t change to a back 3. Only possibility is a lopsided 4 imo.
Ange did switch to this back three lineup briefly during the Man U game. But it seemed like the goal was to have more attackers and move both wing backs fully into the midfield.
You don't lose shape if you only play sacrifice one of your attackers for the extra centre back. So you move from the 2,3,5 you've described to 3,3,4. I don't think he'd ever start with this formation but most definitely when we're in front and particularly when we are up against an excellent counter attack, I think this will help us protect some of the leads we have given away to date. And most definitely our back three would have Romero in the middle, given Dragusin can and has played as a right back (and Emerson also then gives you another option in that position).
Yay n Nay - Angeball says... we will score x2 for every x1 the opposition does... simple and often the opponents defense folds before they can mount a decent attack
It's all about averages and yep we give up width for our own overloads. Once the quality of our team / bench improves it won't be such an issue as it is now when key players are out.
Last season and recently because of the injury certain players those brought in just ain't up to the standard and give the ball away to much. Pass backwards to much and are to slow not just just physically but mentally.
Loving the football we now playing and it's being back to being real spurs i luved and have supported threw think and thin for over years. Ossie played a 235 formation but nothing like this system. Wow the gamrw was thrillers but he got sacked..
Ange has a great record of playing this way and i don't see him changing it much.
I agree with most of this. Although I think all top managers adapt at times.
Ange’s matches in the CL with Celtic would have taught him a lot and I believe there will still be adaptations against certain opposition.
@@LilywhiteLab Yeah indeed although celtic are kinda not PL level. No disrespect to them though and it don't matter what tactics you use when you play clubs with much more talent. Especially now with 5 subs...
But i do agree with you to some extent.
Years ago bobby Robson when barca manager. They was winning 2 nil. Other team scored and was 5 or 10 to go.. what he did was brought on another attacker went 3 up top and scored a 3rd. Nowadays many go defensive. Definitely opened my eyes attack sometimes being the best form of defence.
Wouldn’t we play dragusin as the rcb? And make cuti the pivot of the centre backs with VDV to his right and dragusin to his left
Romeros ball playing ability can be maximised if we use him as rcb
@@SURENDRA___The goal assist he made was ridiculous
spurs fans (incl me) dont know how to act these days when we have 3 first team cb's hahaa
I’d say there is benefits for both.
Although I think Dragusin’s ball playing limitations will be more protected in the centre
Pretty sure this is why he bought dragusin. Sure, he won't start with a back 3. But dragusin could be Brought on if we're 1 0 up and taking a battering from man City or another top team
still Madds to come back & Chippy Chippy Boi Wai
very ni e video, mate
Coys
you will never see it Ange is not a fan of playing 3 at the back. you whole video sounded like you were begging/hoping for a back 3. the best for of defense is to attack and score the goals needed to win
Answer me this, how will they ever defend a trophy LMAO!
wrong use of LMAO, not a bit of thing you said is funny 😉
Will come back to this in a years time 🤝
@@LilywhiteLab had an amazing opportunity under Jose, but did the spurs thing! I’ll be waiting.
@Saturn5-..... geez grandpa alright.. you don’t know me in person so you don’t know my achievements 🤫
@@samarthdev4470how many trophies have you defended ?