Young man, you have the patience of Job! It is always a pleasure to watch you with your intrepid spirit, subjective observations and hilarious temperament! Keep up the great work! You're bound to crack this nut eventually and I always look forward to your episodes and your methods of doing whatever it is that you are doing! You may be having a lousy time of this project, but you have a very appreciative audience! Love your work, Bro!
I've put a microsquirt on my turbo Ls and recommand it. It starts with a crack of the key even in bellow freezing temps. The auto tune works fantastic and it was pretty cheap for something that runs fuel and timing
Great content as always, a new DDG video in my feed means its gonna be a good day. It is always fun changing a variable and witnessing the same outcome. I was in a similar situation for months with my Mustang not wanting to idle. It finally runs and idles now after repeating the same song and dance (clean carb, check timing, check spark plugs, check vacuum leaks, check duraspark box, etc) and although I'm happy about, it bothers me that I don't know exactly *what* it was that made it run better. I am starting to believe that the Machine Spirit is a real thing and that I must appease the Omnissiah to make my junk run right.
Your dedication to making this car happen is impressive. Hopefully Aces tech assistance is equally impressive. Anxious to see how the slant six turbo stacks up against the new TT Stellantis Hurricane inline six which appears to be a boat anchor dumpster fire of an engine developed for billions of dollars.
Former Stellantis CEO: We're going to cancel the Hemi, because we need to save money and be greener. Result: Because EVs are such a small part of the marketplace, we have to develop a new, powerful, gas hog twin turbo straight six for massive amounts of $$$.
@@sixtee5cuda98AND charge too much for it, refuse to lower prices, have a 5 month stockpile of cars on dealer lots and loading docks, lay off 200,000 employees, and file for bankruptcy.
Every time I watch someone struggle with EFI insanity, I go further back in time. I've already gone back to carbs and manual fuel pumps. Before long, I'll be hand crank starting engines. I prefer my cars to only need enough voltage to turn the starter.
You are having as much fun with your straight 6 as I am with all the trees that came down on my property which blocked me in because I can't get out of my driveway now. I've been out with the chainsaw and tractor pulling stuff out of the way. And the power was out but if you Remember I do Generators for a living And my stand by generator system fired right up. I will be looking forward to how you fix that new system you have on your Turbo slant 6. Yay!
I found a very good demo of a blow though carb set up in aug 30 2016 hotrod mag .it's a really good read and I've seen other people do the same conversations on the holly 2 brl. Hope it helps. ❤
on my LS swap Cheap wrangler JKU I used a ACES EFI. After I got it wired correct it fired instantly and ran great till a plug on a vacuum port fell off the bottom of the very cool intake that came with the setup. With some help from Dr.Art and finding the very large vacuum leak its running great. I have just about given up trying to make the wiring look good though I think I will have to rewire the Jeep the ACEs wiring is okay the Jeep crap is just a drag. Thanks for the awsome videos
I'm always down for another video and you sir happen to be one of my favorites by far these days to watch. Keep going with Aces kit and I'm sure you will get down to the bottom of what is going on and what is wrong. Also please continue since I'm working on the same setup with the Aces EFI on my build " different motor" and I just like you am waiting on parts. Happy trails from Texas and simple slurps on the frosty beverage!
Let me try to put your mind at rest about those aluminum electron beam factory manifolds. Some of them were porous, actually a lot of them were. Those got fixed under warranty when they were new. My Dad was a Chrysler Dealer mech for 100 years, starting about 1913 or something. If a slant 6 came with a porous manifold, it almost never went on the lot without being remedied. If one snuck out somehow, the customer invariably brought it back and hollared until it was taken care of. Especially if it was a Leanburn Super 6 2bbl. They didn't develop MORE leaks as time passed, so the likelihood that you've got a porosity problem with your manifold based on it's original design is pretty dang small. My Dad said that after swapping leaky intakes on a few new Slants, they just started masking the the engine bay with cardboard and wadded up newspaper and spraying the manifold with genuine Mopar engine enamel in the handy 12oz aerosol can with the engine idling. The vacuum would suck the paint into the leaks and dry from the heat almost instantly. Any remaining leaks just got a send shot from the rattle can. The unused 1bbl replacement manifolds lay around for years until getting scrapped. The extra 2bbl manifolds were highly sought after for everyones old Slant 6 powered daily. A BBD and breatherfrom a 318 and you had a nice 15% boost in power. A WIN-WIN!
I feel as frustrated as you do, Jamie. I just wish I had half the knowledge that you do. What we do from here I’m behind you all the way. Can’t wait for the next vid.
As Uncle Tony said about DD SpeedShop having EFI problems. Imagine My surprise! 🥴 I had a full Fast Fuel injection setup on a 455 Pontiac that drove me nuts for over a year. Thing would surge in first and second like you were blipping the throttle. Wouldn’t start after a simple trip to the corner store, would out of the blue want to rev to the moon even though the throttle wasn’t touched. After literally a month on and off and every single component replaced at least twice, I gave up. I’ve got a really nice looking $3000 conversion piece. Swap meet $40 750 Holley with a fresh rebuild, Zero issues! Go figure! LOL
I hope you get it figured out. The thing will be super cool when you get all the bugs worked out you’ll get it Jaime. I know you’re stressed lol lol but you got this.
Jamie, perseverance and keep your focus on what you want from this project. Challenging for sure it's the endgame reward once you actually have your turbocharged fuel injected fully tunable Valiant your willingness to keep on with it and deal with the diagnostics of trouble shooting one issue at a time you will get it figured out and have learned something at the same time. This project is something different like a R&D lab problems happen and have to be analyzed and solutions found. I know you can do it, you're definitely smart enough to handle it. Knowing who to talk to and trusting what they're telling you also helps. I want to see this Valiant doing what you intended it to do. Happy Holidays . It's going to be awesome .
Regarding the voltage question, you could put something small like a motorcycle battery (or a big battery on the ground) to power that unit. Quite the adventure you are having.Thanks for letting us follow along!
I thought about that. Almost put my jump box in the engine compartment just for that. Whatever I use would need to be grounded to the engine still. And that’s as far as I got.
There is so much about cars I do not understand. I think I'm handy, I've replace my own starter before, other routine maintenance, but I'm not dead doge garage!
JAMIE. I sure feel for you. I just bet it is something very simple that's causing your problems. It is so simple that you can't see it. I've been there. It will be one sweet ride when done.
Hey Jamie. I normally do not post comments. I feel your frustration with this. I thoroughly enjoy your channel, keep it up! I will share my experience with the MSD Atomic and the Sniper. 1st hard lesson - do not skimp on the wiring or believe that NOT wiring anything the manuf says directly to the battery is a good idea. This includes the grounds. In fact put more grounds...everywhere. I have had use the conservative approach for wiring. For cable sizing i've been using Bluesea Systems Circuit Wizard to donthis as it sizes the wire larger than for a land based system. 2nd try your hardest to not touch the throttle when starting. I know it's frustrating when it won't start without touching it! 3rd build the engine map without boost, then add the boost. I was really looking forward to your step-by-step upgrades to the I6. Anyway, hope my comments help you even in a small way. Looking fwd to the next posting!
My only slant six experiences were with one powering a wood chipper I towed behind a bucket truck. Worked ok in the warm months but, it was mounted such that the distributer was positioned to get a steady stream of slush from the rear dualies in the winter. We tried lots of ways to block said slush but usually to no avail. I hated that chipper with the heat of a thousand suns.
I wore out a couple of them, never broke. A neighbor full throttled her slant until it ran smooth for many years, also never broke but sure burned a lot of oil.
I got the 2nd middle 8th to your song “now this turbo six it really sucks going back to fixing mail trucks my wallet is called Aces now I’m out $600 bucks”….It the build that never ends…do-da-do
Tried the aces kill shot on my fury. I couldn’t get it to run to save my life. Then went to the original style sniper. Ran great for 7 months before it took a shit. Only had a three month warranty. Finally went edelbrock AVS 2 on your recommendation in your videos and it’s been great. Maybe one suggestion I could make is as long as as one of those units has an IAC and TPS you can save 700$ and utilize it as a throttle body when you go to MPFI. That’s what I did with the sniper on my other non mopar car. Good luck!
Pretty dang good video/story. All along I was waiting for the end to comment that you needed a stable voltage supply for your 6AL MSD box, MSD injection system and then the ACES EFI box. But then you figured it out. Yea all those electrical boxes uses a stable voltage supply to send voltages out to the sensors and then reads the return (or something to that effect), without a stable voltage supply the returns from the sensors are not accurate(precise) enough for the boxes to control what to do next. Due to the varying voltage supply the MSD 6AL box is probably just missing a signal here or there from the distributor causing the missing, thus fouling the plugs. Love the build and might do one like the same in this lifetime.
My assumption was that the only time the voltage drop would be an issue was during cranking, and that given the size of my battery lead, the difference between voltage at the battery and voltage there wouldn’t be much. What was particularly odd to me is that simply running the power for the 6A to the battery suddenly made the timing markedly more advanced during cranking. Which led me to understand that this was likely my main problem the whole time. I didn’t think it was related to my hard starting problem because the box was triggering the Atonic system with a tach signal, meaning the box was powered up and should have been doing its thing. But I guess it wasn’t.
keep the efi if you want the turbo to do great things then just get all the bugs worked out of it. i know car problems suck but when you are done there will be a wealth of knowlege on here for everyone who wants to do something cool like this! thanks jaime
I appreciate your hard work and incredible dedication to this project, your awesome. Keep up the great videos, i look forward to all you do. Great ending with the song, like your sense of humor, best regards.
It's one of THOSE days! The flood looked like the DUAL Hurricanes I lived through recently. Today my game station crapped out due to BAD WIRES! After much testing and F'ing around, it was the TV, etc....
I’m looking forward to when you install mega squirt on something. Those systems fascinate me. I don’t have any experience with programming, diagnosing or tuning EFI. You however are pretty dang good at explaining what you’re doing and why.
Yes, it’s open. Still need to come up with a fitting for my crankcase breather. I could be running it with no filter at all at this point, the damn thing isn’t going anywhere.
Two points: 1. I like the looks of the new unit (satin black) better B. Why is it that every time Jamie has to change something, I get frustrated and feel like I HAVE TO DO IT? weird.
At very least the ground wire for the efi and msd should be run directly to the negative battery terminal. The battery dampens any electrical noise and the closer wires are connected to it, the more effective it is.
I'm not even a Dodge Guy and this is one one of my favorite channels. I don't love the looks of that Aces hope you get it working. Try a sniper 2 third time might be the charm. Cool Car.
Holley Sniper 2 needs no handheld, its bluetooth to your cell phone. 24 hour support as well. Seems way better than the Atomic to me. I am still excited for this build. Looking great! Additionally, I absolutely love the valve cover T handles. Handy and they look cool too.
I was looking forward to that working because I too like the idea of a boosted slant six ! EFI should work and work better than a carb . I wish I could point to an obvious problem but I got nuthin , possibly several things that just compound each other , waiting to see what you come up with…
What a fiasco… if you were trying to convince me aftermarket EFI is not for me, you are winning. Thankfully you’ve got music as a backup… the close out song really feels like a winner! 🏆 I’m surprised you were able to record any of this as the swearing quota had to be high! Hopefully you’re able to solve this puzzle one way or another. I like that new manifold. Just hoping it ends up being something simple and easy to fix. Like rolling the car off a cliff and wiping your hands of the whole experience. Haha! Congrats on 50k by the way!
Ask Stellantis how they feel about inline 6 boosted. Cheers for entering the unknown... put a Holley on it, it'll run great! Ps don't smash anymore, i'll pay shipping send them to me 😲
I've seen ones that not only worked, but launched like rockets on the quarter mile. Your's will work eventually. But in that particular car. Ware a helmet :-)
Put the EFI and ignition system on two separate feeds directly from the battery, and fuse the wires as close to the battery as possible. Ideally you'd have a fuse box with a wire feeding it directly from the battery *could also be under the hood or the dash) but most importantly, NOT sharing the same wire that feeds the starter, as when the starter is engaged, a considerable voltage drop develops across the wire, which is bad for electronics. Also personally I would put even more space between the ignition system and EFI, because ignition systems really make a LOT of wide spectrum noise, they act like a spark gap radio transmitter, the noise is induced in the signal wires of the EFI system and wreaks havoc. Ideally you would mount them on opposite sides of the engine bay, so in your case mount the EFI computer on the drivers side. As to what fried your EFI computer, maybe since it was sharing a power and ground wire with the ignition system, some high voltage spikes were injected by the MSD into the power wire, or enough RF noise was injected into a signal wire to fry it.
Great job! I so much preferred POINTS/CONDENSER/CARB over the "EF&I" stuff. (Crown Vic is in shop now...something with the "coil pack/fuel injetor gizmos?) I know you will get this TURBO SLANT doing the TURBO SLANT STUFF in good order....(my swear jar is almost full...from working on my kraP!) LOL!
Hi Jamie, I’ve built 2 Megasquirt systems and have had frustrations at times… 1- cranking/RPM signal is extremely extremely sensitive to picking up noise. Always use shielded wire. Even then, routing may have to be played with. I had to relocate my last setup to the other side of the engine completely. I am VERY suspect of the CDI box anywhere near the EFI. 2- knowing fuel pressure is a must. I would have a gauge directly in your regulator while troubleshooting 3-My starter was causing excessive noise to my Megasquirt crank signal. Having your power wire on the starter is probably a huge problem. I would take the time to route it directly to the battery 4-play with your grounds. Move them, clean them… whatever. Just try it 5-Is your MAP sensor reading in absolute pressure? I thought I saw it reading 14 psi when you had it on, but not running. I would check to verify. 14 psi would then be correct, because, you know…. Science 😊
Yes, definitely showing atmospheric pressure on the map so it must be. Agreed on other points. And I added a temporary gauge to verify fuel pressure while I wait for the permanent one to arrive.
@@DeadDodgeGarageSweet. I think you’ll get it. It’s a pretty basic system. I moved my crank wiring a few times and kept getting similar results. Then, as a last ditch effort, I ran the ENTIRE crank signal wire though the passenger window of the car as far as possible from everything and THAT proved my theory. It’s very irritating. Also, you ARE correct that a wideband can read lean when it is excessively rich. You can find stuff online about it. The AFR reading is only accurate within a certain window
Did not go into the Steens, but the area in general was gorgeous. We stayed at the hot springs late last fall. Walked all the way down to the flats in the rain. The only part I didn’t love was all of the miles on gravel with the camper, especially coming in at night. Haha.
@ Nice. Not many folks get out there, which I like. Very pretty. I usually come in from the south. Less gravel road from that direction. Good luck on the turbo slant. Some projects are very frustrating. You’ll get it.
Gotta mention there's a guy on finnish forums that has a turbo 170 in a Dart. Running T3/4, Maxxecu, on E85 and a Clifford intake modified for multiport injection.
You have an exhaust leak. If the O2 sensor reads lean and the exhaust smells rich, it's not reading correctly. Likely an exhaust leak anywhere before the O2 bung, or even a little bit after it. It can be a leak as small as a pinhole! I have seen that many times, especially if I'm the one who welded the bung in. That might've been your problem the entire time. Both systems are trying to trim the fuel how they think they should based on inaccurate AFR information. Probably doesn't help that the turbo has made the exhaust plumbing complicated - more places to leak. You might also want to try moving the O2 bung as far upstream as possible, maybe on that stainless turbo adapter. Also if it has a misfire it won't know that and will read the exhaust lean and enrichen the mixture making everything worse. O_o Also, I'm guessing ACES' fuel pressure sensor is a standard off-the-shelf GM sensor.
I know. There are two small exhaust leaks at the flange (too small to hear, but I see staining,) and I’m sure that’s a factor. I understand the issues with misfires causing incorrect O2 readings, which is why I prioritized fixing that. But the major issues I am having with this system (and the Atomic) are on startup, *before* the system has a chance to enter closed loop.
Just maybe, what you THINK is rich exhaust may be lean misfire. In other words mixture is too lean to fire & burn properly, so the engine is pumping out unburned fuel into the exhaust.
I ran #10 positive and negative wires w/loom covers from the trunk-mounted battery to a pair of isolated terminals under the hood to run the MSD, with #10 offshoots in tje car going to the glovebox where the EFI controller was located. Ran big capacitors from the local ear-bleediing car audio store to get rid of the electronic trash I saw on an osciloscope. And still both my EFI's died. But that was then, keep after it- should work better nowsdays.
*warning-long reply* Seemed like the MSD was most of it, the Alt contributed some but it was several orders smaller. This was with Holley Pro-Jection glorified 670cfm 2bbl TBI unit that had to be tuned by 5 potentiometers for 'best guess' running OR in O2 sensor controlled closed-loop via a flip of the switch. So the fixed setting were for 'limp home' for me, but could be 'race track day' for others. I looked in the boxes upon failure and so much circuit board was roasted- figured the internal voltage regulator 12v to 5v(?) Failed big time. Second one lasted a week I had bought 2 of them with an idea of using the 2nd one on one of my other vehicles- not as a emergency replacement. In the mean time Holley had went fully digital & used 4 bbl platform (early units like mine were production-based TBI & semi-analog?) Holley basically did no rework on bad controllers and suggested I buy their brand new 4bbl TBI setup & digital computer. Ahhh, nooo thanks. Funny how now you can have a $75 Arduino run a TBI unit with some add-ons.
The fuel injection is neat but, I've always wanted to slap a couple Mikuni sleeve type variable venturi motorcycle carbs on a vehicle like that. Of course, that would entail building a couple specialized intake manifolds(3 ports each). It might be tough to adapt plumbing to those from a turbo, though.
Gotta say, I haven't seen many good experiences of Aces efi in the RUclipss... But hey it's cheap! Oh and by the way, AUD has a nice exchange rate currently. Those aussiespeed manifolds are preeeetty nice...
I knooooowww. They’re gorgeous. And I’m not against buying one… but I need to know that’s actually my people. I expected to see poor fuel distribution and uneven cylinders, which would’ve been my cue to get a real manifold. Instead I’m stuck with whatever nightmare this is.
AHhaahahahahaha
…HA!
Yeah, yeah 🤣
When I first seen this upload I thought it said "continued inslantity"! Nonetheless I'm here for it
Remind me to run them by you first 😅
I’d buy a Inslantity shirt
Haha! That’s good 😄
Young man, you have the patience of Job! It is always a pleasure to watch you with your intrepid spirit, subjective observations and hilarious temperament! Keep up the great work! You're bound to crack this nut eventually and I always look forward to your episodes and your methods of doing whatever it is that you are doing! You may be having a lousy time of this project, but you have a very appreciative audience! Love your work, Bro!
Thank you!
You definitely earned your compensations with this one Mr.J...And you hit FIFTY THOUSAND subs as a further reward ...yay!!!!
Hit 50k !!! One step closer to global mopar domination!!! Congratulations Jamie keep up the good work
I've put a microsquirt on my turbo Ls and recommand it. It starts with a crack of the key even in bellow freezing temps. The auto tune works fantastic and it was pretty cheap for something that runs fuel and timing
Nice. Strongly considering something like that for my eventual multipoint install.
Stay the course, you’ll get your EFI’d /6 turbo to work. I believe in you Jamie!!!
in this episode of,
"adding new stuff to old stuff, sometimes won't work."
or "AUGHHHhhhhhhhhhhh"
Great content as always, a new DDG video in my feed means its gonna be a good day. It is always fun changing a variable and witnessing the same outcome. I was in a similar situation for months with my Mustang not wanting to idle. It finally runs and idles now after repeating the same song and dance (clean carb, check timing, check spark plugs, check vacuum leaks, check duraspark box, etc) and although I'm happy about, it bothers me that I don't know exactly *what* it was that made it run better. I am starting to believe that the Machine Spirit is a real thing and that I must appease the Omnissiah to make my junk run right.
You can push it in that pond you was walking near lol it's a great boat anchor
That’s what I said 🤣
I'm really digging this build, the suspense is killing me! I just know your getting close working the bugs out and it's going to be a screamer!👍
Your dedication to making this car happen is impressive. Hopefully Aces tech assistance is equally impressive. Anxious to see how the slant six turbo stacks up against the new TT Stellantis Hurricane inline six which appears to be a boat anchor dumpster fire of an engine developed for billions of dollars.
I have a hunch it will also be a dumpster fire 😅 but I *really* just want to see it work right. At least once…
Former Stellantis CEO: We're going to cancel the Hemi, because we need to save money and be greener.
Result: Because EVs are such a small part of the marketplace, we have to develop a new, powerful, gas hog twin turbo straight six for massive amounts of $$$.
@@sixtee5cuda98AND charge too much for it, refuse to lower prices, have a 5 month stockpile of cars on dealer lots and loading docks, lay off 200,000 employees, and file for bankruptcy.
Don’t give up, we all have projects that have us stopped are tracks. Your channel is motivating me to fix my truck again.
This channel, and all the others, have convinced ME to never work on a car again, unless I have no alternative.
Every time I watch someone struggle with EFI insanity, I go further back in time. I've already gone back to carbs and manual fuel pumps. Before long, I'll be hand crank starting engines. I prefer my cars to only need enough voltage to turn the starter.
Yesssssss.
Your dedication to make this combination work is inspiring.
Your in uncharted territory Jamie,Godspeed.
My favorite part of this whole build is the custom-made intake!
Mine too! It’s unlike anything else you’ll ever see. But it’s also kinda crap…
Really interesting video, big thumbs up!
You are having as much fun with your straight 6 as I am with all the trees that came down on my property which blocked me in because I can't get out of my driveway now. I've been out with the chainsaw and tractor pulling stuff out of the way. And the power was out but if you Remember I do Generators for a living And my stand by generator system fired right up. I will be looking forward to how you fix that new system you have on your Turbo slant 6. Yay!
I found a very good demo of a blow though carb set up in aug 30 2016 hotrod mag .it's a really good read and I've seen other people do the same conversations on the holly 2 brl. Hope it helps. ❤
on my LS swap Cheap wrangler JKU I used a ACES EFI. After I got it wired correct it fired instantly and ran great till a plug on a vacuum port fell off the bottom of the very cool intake that came with the setup. With some help from Dr.Art and finding the very large vacuum leak its running great. I have just about given up trying to make the wiring look good though I think I will have to rewire the Jeep the ACEs wiring is okay the Jeep crap is just a drag. Thanks for the awsome videos
That Clifford maniford is nice… I’d go with that and a blow thru carb 👍
I'm always down for another video and you sir happen to be one of my favorites by far these days to watch. Keep going with Aces kit and I'm sure you will get down to the bottom of what is going on and what is wrong. Also please continue since I'm working on the same setup with the Aces EFI on my build " different motor" and I just like you am waiting on parts. Happy trails from Texas and simple slurps on the frosty beverage!
Let me try to put your mind at rest about those aluminum electron beam factory manifolds. Some of them were porous, actually a lot of them were. Those got fixed under warranty when they were new. My Dad was a Chrysler Dealer mech for 100 years, starting about 1913 or something. If a slant 6 came with a porous manifold, it almost never went on the lot without being remedied. If one snuck out somehow, the customer invariably brought it back and hollared until it was taken care of. Especially if it was a Leanburn Super 6 2bbl. They didn't develop MORE leaks as time passed, so the likelihood that you've got a porosity problem with your manifold based on it's original design is pretty dang small.
My Dad said that after swapping leaky intakes on a few new Slants, they just started masking the the engine bay with cardboard and wadded up newspaper and spraying the manifold with genuine Mopar engine enamel in the handy 12oz aerosol can with the engine idling. The vacuum would suck the paint into the leaks and dry from the heat almost instantly. Any remaining leaks just got a send shot from the rattle can. The unused 1bbl replacement manifolds lay around for years until getting scrapped. The extra 2bbl manifolds were highly sought after for everyones old Slant 6 powered daily. A BBD and breatherfrom a 318 and you had a nice 15% boost in power. A WIN-WIN!
Those slant 6ixers ran forever I've always heard but they sure rattled like hell from the ones I've heard
I feel as frustrated as you do, Jamie. I just wish I had half the knowledge that you do. What we do from here I’m behind you all the way. Can’t wait for the next vid.
That thing is badass I love a good modded slant six
As Uncle Tony said about DD SpeedShop having EFI problems. Imagine My surprise! 🥴 I had a full Fast Fuel injection setup on a 455 Pontiac that drove me nuts for over a year. Thing would surge in first and second like you were blipping the throttle. Wouldn’t start after a simple trip to the corner store, would out of the blue want to rev to the moon even though the throttle wasn’t touched. After literally a month on and off and every single component replaced at least twice, I gave up. I’ve got a really nice looking $3000 conversion piece. Swap meet $40 750 Holley with a fresh rebuild, Zero issues! Go figure! LOL
Yeappppppp 😂
I hope you get it figured out. The thing will be super cool when you get all the bugs worked out you’ll get it Jaime. I know you’re stressed lol lol but you got this.
Waiting on PIzza myself... that was great fun, to watch...and directions really are for the weak and frugal...
Agreed 🤣
That 50k is so close.
I can almost smell it
Trial and error, I have faith that you will work it out and you will succeed and I enjoyed the video ❤
600 bucks is a screaming deal for EFI. I’m gonna go check out their website now. Great video Jaime.
Stick with it Jamie, this will be very cool when it's done, love the Centerlines.
Jamie, perseverance and keep your focus on what you want from this project. Challenging for sure it's the endgame reward once you actually have your turbocharged fuel injected fully tunable Valiant your willingness to keep on with it and deal with the diagnostics of trouble shooting one issue at a time you will get it figured out and have learned something at the same time. This project is something different like a R&D lab problems happen and have to be analyzed and solutions found. I know you can do it, you're definitely smart enough to handle it. Knowing who to talk to and trusting what they're telling you also helps. I want to see this Valiant doing what you intended it to do. Happy Holidays . It's going to be awesome .
Regarding the voltage question, you could put something small like a motorcycle battery (or a big battery on the ground) to power that unit. Quite the adventure you are having.Thanks for letting us follow along!
I thought about that. Almost put my jump box in the engine compartment just for that. Whatever I use would need to be grounded to the engine still. And that’s as far as I got.
Jaime, you are the only guy that can make me like a Mopar slant six. And cool it up so that I might wanna build one one day great job my friend.
I feel your pain Jamie. And Remember you get what you pay for!
There is so much about cars I do not understand. I think I'm handy, I've replace my own starter before, other routine maintenance, but I'm not dead doge garage!
This is at least good entertainment. You’ll get it - like you always do and I’ll keep watching
Beard looks better, man. Keep rockin 👍🏻
Don’t give up , you can still make it work
I never realized how nice sounding a slant 6 can be. In those 12 seconds it ran perfect it sounded beautiful.
Lol. I too have a build that never ends with a 1997 Camaro RS with a supercharger. Good one, Jamie!
JAMIE. I sure feel for you. I just bet it is something very simple that's causing your problems. It is so simple that you can't see it. I've been there. It will be one sweet ride when done.
Love this idea! It should work. I'm sure the guys at Aces can help you narrow down the problem! Cool build either way!
Hey Jamie. I normally do not post comments. I feel your frustration with this. I thoroughly enjoy your channel, keep it up! I will share my experience with the MSD Atomic and the Sniper. 1st hard lesson - do not skimp on the wiring or believe that NOT wiring anything the manuf says directly to the battery is a good idea. This includes the grounds. In fact put more grounds...everywhere. I have had use the conservative approach for wiring. For cable sizing i've been using Bluesea Systems Circuit Wizard to donthis as it sizes the wire larger than for a land based system. 2nd try your hardest to not touch the throttle when starting. I know it's frustrating when it won't start without touching it! 3rd build the engine map without boost, then add the boost. I was really looking forward to your step-by-step upgrades to the I6. Anyway, hope my comments help you even in a small way. Looking fwd to the next posting!
I’d try loosing in the MSD box and putting stock ignition on it.
MSD = My Spark Disappeared.
My current thinking is I’ve had an ongoing MSD issue. But stock ignition is points…
@@DeadDodgeGarageDoesn't Pertronics make a module to fit a stock /6 distributor ? Or maybe an HEI replacement from DEI.
@@NH1969GOAT I've never had an MSD fail in all my cars for many many years. My bet is you've never even seen one.
My only slant six experiences were with one powering a wood chipper I towed behind a bucket truck. Worked ok in the warm months but, it was mounted such that the distributer was positioned to get a steady stream of slush from the rear dualies in the winter. We tried lots of ways to block said slush but usually to no avail. I hated that chipper with the heat of a thousand suns.
That’s unfortunate…
I wore out a couple of them, never broke. A neighbor full throttled her slant until it ran smooth for many years, also never broke but sure burned a lot of oil.
I use Halfax and fuel tech mostly but Holley is good to for EFI and slant 6 boosted does run great and inline engines love boost
Good afternoon Jamie ,DDG,,,,,,Yeee Yeee 😊😊😊
$600 seems pretty reasonable for this EFI kit. Comes with everything. I hope it works out.
I got the 2nd middle 8th to your song “now this turbo six it really sucks going back to fixing mail trucks my wallet is called Aces now I’m out $600 bucks”….It the build that never ends…do-da-do
I love it
Nailed it out of the park. Haha.
@@SchoolforHackersjust being silly! lol!!
Tried the aces kill shot on my fury. I couldn’t get it to run to save my life. Then went to the original style sniper. Ran great for 7 months before it took a shit. Only had a three month warranty. Finally went edelbrock AVS 2 on your recommendation in your videos and it’s been great. Maybe one suggestion I could make is as long as as one of those units has an IAC and TPS you can save 700$ and utilize it as a throttle body when you go to MPFI. That’s what I did with the sniper on my other non mopar car. Good luck!
I think I’m going to hang on to the Atomic for exactly that, when the time comes.
Pretty dang good video/story. All along I was waiting for the end to comment that you needed a stable voltage supply for your 6AL MSD box, MSD injection system and then the ACES EFI box. But then you figured it out. Yea all those electrical boxes uses a stable voltage supply to send voltages out to the sensors and then reads the return (or something to that effect), without a stable voltage supply the returns from the sensors are not accurate(precise) enough for the boxes to control what to do next. Due to the varying voltage supply the MSD 6AL box is probably just missing a signal here or there from the distributor causing the missing, thus fouling the plugs. Love the build and might do one like the same in this lifetime.
My assumption was that the only time the voltage drop would be an issue was during cranking, and that given the size of my battery lead, the difference between voltage at the battery and voltage there wouldn’t be much. What was particularly odd to me is that simply running the power for the 6A to the battery suddenly made the timing markedly more advanced during cranking. Which led me to understand that this was likely my main problem the whole time. I didn’t think it was related to my hard starting problem because the box was triggering the Atonic system with a tach signal, meaning the box was powered up and should have been doing its thing. But I guess it wasn’t.
That Ending was Killer. Generally the reason I watch this channel is that you never know what the heck Jamie is gonna do next...Hang in there brother.
keep the efi if you want the turbo to do great things then just get all the bugs worked out of it. i know car problems suck but when you are done there will be a wealth of knowlege on here for everyone who wants to do something cool like this! thanks jaime
I appreciate your hard work and incredible dedication to this project, your awesome. Keep up the great videos, i look forward to all you do. Great ending with the song, like your sense of humor, best regards.
Yeah awesome I'm glad you are using this aces injection setup. I am interested in a Chevy 4.3 with a two barrel turbo setup.
13:30 where have I heard that before😅
No comment 🤣
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Good thing you have a boat so you can still get to the parts store in that flooding
It's one of THOSE days! The flood looked like the DUAL Hurricanes I lived through recently. Today my game station crapped out due to BAD WIRES! After much testing and F'ing around, it was the TV, etc....
Oh yeah, maybe a few hours playing with the blue Faux-par will help. Good idea Jamie!
You need to be careful Jamie, big induction shows no mercy on dissidents. 😆
I’m looking forward to when you install mega squirt on something. Those systems fascinate me. I don’t have any experience with programming, diagnosing or tuning EFI. You however are pretty dang good at explaining what you’re doing and why.
you are a hero for taking this on. results may vary tho
Is that bung in the plastic intake tube open or what that'll let dirt past your filter which I'm sure u know that idk if you caught it or not
Yes, it’s open. Still need to come up with a fitting for my crankcase breather. I could be running it with no filter at all at this point, the damn thing isn’t going anywhere.
You need to write a " why does my turbo slant hate me? " song..
Two points:
1. I like the looks of the new unit (satin black) better
B. Why is it that every time Jamie has to change something, I get frustrated and feel like I HAVE TO DO IT? weird.
At very least the ground wire for the efi and msd should be run directly to the negative battery terminal. The battery dampens any electrical noise and the closer wires are connected to it, the more effective it is.
The best part, your outtro 😊
Nailed it. Haha.
Just damn! When will it be all ok? Want gravel shooting out the rear, please. And much thanks for the new frontier experiment and show making time.
When, I can’t say - but we’ll get there.
I'm not even a Dodge Guy and this is one one of my favorite channels. I don't love the looks of that Aces hope you get it working. Try a sniper 2 third time might be the charm. Cool Car.
Holley Sniper 2 needs no handheld, its bluetooth to your cell phone. 24 hour support as well. Seems way better than the Atomic to me. I am still excited for this build. Looking great! Additionally, I absolutely love the valve cover T handles. Handy and they look cool too.
That's just like a Holley sniper idk how user friendly the custom tuning it is
It *appears* to be easier to mess with on the handheld than the Sniper. For one thing, the handheld actually works. Lol. But it’s very similar.
I was looking forward to that working because I too like the idea of a boosted slant six ! EFI should work and work better than a carb . I wish I could point to an obvious problem but I got nuthin , possibly several things that just compound each other , waiting to see what you come up with…
I'm rooting for you Jamie, I love the concept too. However, I'm just sitting here and not getting my hands dirty. Thanks anyway.
What a fiasco… if you were trying to convince me aftermarket EFI is not for me, you are winning. Thankfully you’ve got music as a backup… the close out song really feels like a winner! 🏆 I’m surprised you were able to record any of this as the swearing quota had to be high!
Hopefully you’re able to solve this puzzle one way or another. I like that new manifold. Just hoping it ends up being something simple and easy to fix. Like rolling the car off a cliff and wiping your hands of the whole experience. Haha! Congrats on 50k by the way!
Ask Stellantis how they feel about inline 6 boosted. Cheers for entering the unknown... put a Holley on it, it'll run great! Ps don't smash anymore, i'll pay shipping send them to me 😲
I've seen ones that not only worked, but launched like rockets on the quarter mile. Your's will work eventually. But in that particular car. Ware a helmet :-)
Put the EFI and ignition system on two separate feeds directly from the battery, and fuse the wires as close to the battery as possible. Ideally you'd have a fuse box with a wire feeding it directly from the battery *could also be under the hood or the dash) but most importantly, NOT sharing the same wire that feeds the starter, as when the starter is engaged, a considerable voltage drop develops across the wire, which is bad for electronics. Also personally I would put even more space between the ignition system and EFI, because ignition systems really make a LOT of wide spectrum noise, they act like a spark gap radio transmitter, the noise is induced in the signal wires of the EFI system and wreaks havoc. Ideally you would mount them on opposite sides of the engine bay, so in your case mount the EFI computer on the drivers side. As to what fried your EFI computer, maybe since it was sharing a power and ground wire with the ignition system, some high voltage spikes were injected by the MSD into the power wire, or enough RF noise was injected into a signal wire to fry it.
That may well be.
17:21 man there is a lot of chaos going on in that plenum
Agreed
I know you will get this dilemma figured out. In the meantime you could plumb the shop for air. Cheers! 😎👍🏎🏁🏁
Don't set it on fire yet, I no you'll get it sorted.
Great job! I so much preferred POINTS/CONDENSER/CARB over the "EF&I" stuff. (Crown Vic is in shop now...something with the "coil pack/fuel injetor gizmos?)
I know you will get this TURBO SLANT doing the TURBO SLANT STUFF in good order....(my swear jar is almost full...from working on my kraP!) LOL!
Demon makes a nice blow thru carb I'm using that for my twin turbo 318
I've never liked the intake and exhaust being on the same side
Welcome to slant sixes, enjoy your stay….
It excellerates less bad...thats good? 😂 Pretty cool car for sure!
Hi Jamie, I’ve built 2 Megasquirt systems and have had frustrations at times…
1- cranking/RPM signal is extremely extremely sensitive to picking up noise. Always use shielded wire. Even then, routing may have to be played with. I had to relocate my last setup to the other side of the engine completely. I am VERY suspect of the CDI box anywhere near the EFI.
2- knowing fuel pressure is a must. I would have a gauge directly in your regulator while troubleshooting
3-My starter was causing excessive noise to my Megasquirt crank signal. Having your power wire on the starter is probably a huge problem. I would take the time to route it directly to the battery
4-play with your grounds. Move them, clean them… whatever. Just try it
5-Is your MAP sensor reading in absolute pressure? I thought I saw it reading 14 psi when you had it on, but not running. I would check to verify. 14 psi would then be correct, because, you know…. Science 😊
Yes, definitely showing atmospheric pressure on the map so it must be. Agreed on other points. And I added a temporary gauge to verify fuel pressure while I wait for the permanent one to arrive.
@@DeadDodgeGarageSweet. I think you’ll get it. It’s a pretty basic system. I moved my crank wiring a few times and kept getting similar results. Then, as a last ditch effort, I ran the ENTIRE crank signal wire though the passenger window of the car as far as possible from everything and THAT proved my theory. It’s very irritating. Also, you ARE correct that a wideband can read lean when it is excessively rich. You can find stuff online about it. The AFR reading is only accurate within a certain window
Love Alvord desert and hot springs.
Ever go up into the Steens mountains right behind there ?
Beautiful spot.
Did not go into the Steens, but the area in general was gorgeous. We stayed at the hot springs late last fall. Walked all the way down to the flats in the rain. The only part I didn’t love was all of the miles on gravel with the camper, especially coming in at night. Haha.
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Nice. Not many folks get out there, which I like.
Very pretty.
I usually come in from the south. Less gravel road from that direction.
Good luck on the turbo slant.
Some projects are very frustrating.
You’ll get it.
Do you have an intercooler I didn't see one the air filter location ain't gonna be an issue if you had one
Absolutely. Guessing you haven’t seen the build series before - understandable.
@DeadDodgeGarage nope my first look at your slant 6 video guy I know they were mostly solid lifter and all that which is noisy but I'll check it out
( Cartman voice ) Sweeeeeeeeet
The build that never ends 😂
Gotta mention there's a guy on finnish forums that has a turbo 170 in a Dart. Running T3/4, Maxxecu, on E85 and a Clifford intake modified for multiport injection.
Hell yeah! I’m gonna be that guy before you know it!
You have an exhaust leak. If the O2 sensor reads lean and the exhaust smells rich, it's not reading correctly. Likely an exhaust leak anywhere before the O2 bung, or even a little bit after it. It can be a leak as small as a pinhole! I have seen that many times, especially if I'm the one who welded the bung in. That might've been your problem the entire time. Both systems are trying to trim the fuel how they think they should based on inaccurate AFR information. Probably doesn't help that the turbo has made the exhaust plumbing complicated - more places to leak. You might also want to try moving the O2 bung as far upstream as possible, maybe on that stainless turbo adapter. Also if it has a misfire it won't know that and will read the exhaust lean and enrichen the mixture making everything worse. O_o
Also, I'm guessing ACES' fuel pressure sensor is a standard off-the-shelf GM sensor.
I know. There are two small exhaust leaks at the flange (too small to hear, but I see staining,) and I’m sure that’s a factor. I understand the issues with misfires causing incorrect O2 readings, which is why I prioritized fixing that. But the major issues I am having with this system (and the Atomic) are on startup, *before* the system has a chance to enter closed loop.
Just maybe, what you THINK is rich exhaust may be lean misfire. In other words mixture is too lean to fire & burn properly, so the engine is pumping out unburned fuel into the exhaust.
@@DeadDodgeGarage Isn't it supposed to learn and adjust open loop base settings based on closed loop running? Not sure how that part works.
I ran #10 positive and negative wires w/loom covers from the trunk-mounted battery to a pair of isolated terminals under the hood to run the MSD, with #10 offshoots in tje car going to the glovebox where the EFI controller was located.
Ran big capacitors from the local ear-bleediing car audio store to get rid of the electronic trash I saw on an osciloscope.
And still both my EFI's died.
But that was then, keep after it- should work better nowsdays.
Did the noise come from the alternator?
Wow… yeah, that’s quite something.
*warning-long reply*
Seemed like the MSD was most of it, the Alt contributed some but it was several orders smaller.
This was with Holley Pro-Jection glorified 670cfm 2bbl TBI unit that had to be tuned by 5 potentiometers for 'best guess' running OR in O2 sensor controlled closed-loop
via a flip of the switch.
So the fixed setting were for 'limp home' for me, but could be 'race track day' for others.
I looked in the boxes upon failure and so much circuit board was roasted- figured the internal voltage regulator 12v to 5v(?) Failed big time.
Second one lasted a week
I had bought 2 of them with an idea of using the 2nd one on one of my other vehicles- not as a emergency replacement.
In the mean time Holley had went fully digital & used 4 bbl platform (early units like mine were production-based TBI & semi-analog?)
Holley basically did no rework on bad controllers and suggested I buy their brand new 4bbl TBI setup & digital computer.
Ahhh, nooo thanks.
Funny how now you can have a $75 Arduino run a TBI unit with some add-ons.
@@dantupper1784 Holley should have been sued over those old units, total junk a very expensive.
I nearly fell off the sofa laughing. Thank you for bringing youthful joy to my old bored life. How do you do it?
I… don’t know 🤣
Holley sniper would work on there magically
I STRONGLY disagree lol
Powernation ran into this same issue when they tried an efi on an inline 6, they switched back to a carb and it ran great.
Guess I haven’t seen that episode yet.
The fuel injection is neat but, I've always wanted to slap a couple Mikuni sleeve type variable venturi motorcycle carbs on a vehicle like that. Of course, that would entail building a couple specialized intake manifolds(3 ports each). It might be tough to adapt plumbing to those from a turbo, though.
Gotta say, I haven't seen many good experiences of Aces efi in the RUclipss... But hey it's cheap!
Oh and by the way, AUD has a nice exchange rate currently. Those aussiespeed manifolds are preeeetty nice...
I knooooowww. They’re gorgeous. And I’m not against buying one… but I need to know that’s actually my people. I expected to see poor fuel distribution and uneven cylinders, which would’ve been my cue to get a real manifold. Instead I’m stuck with whatever nightmare this is.