You are right about Timeless fence posts. I live in SW Pennsylvania, these posts go through rock and tree roots. You are correct about trees falling on them, they do stand back up. Thank you Greg for showing a quality post. It is the only post I use now, except for wooden post on my corners. Thank you for putting the time into your channel. Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family!
I went with Timeless for all my needs except corners. I used treated southern yellow pine. Timeless was great to work with. They put together a starter package for me. Spinning Jenny, energizer, crimps, pliers, crimpers, taps. It was great! Fenced in twenty two acres this summer. Fun project.
We like our Timeless posts, but they are very springy, which dissipates the force of the post driver, especially when attempting to drive in rocky ground. Pre-drilling a hole in the ground with a large-bore bit, as suggested from the Timeless folks, doesn’t always work either. We ended up driving a T-post, pulling it up, and immediately setting a Timeless post in the hole left by the T-post. Many were not driven as deep as the “drive-to” marked on the post indicates, as we were just unable to get them that deep. I’m sure that, with good low-rock soils, they’d be a dream come true.. However, they are secure, and we’ve not had any trouble with the fencing besides the installation..
Thanks for the video! I love my timeless fence too. They are awesome but the people at timeless are way better than the post. I called them and they talked me through everything and what I should buy too. It made fence buying so easy and effortless. I’m so glad you talk about these posts all the time because it will save lots of people a headache. I know a few people who have steel posts for the perimeter with hot wire. I can hear it knock hard on a very quiet day about 100 yards away. At night it lights up like a Christmas tree. I’m so glad for my timeless fence t posts from Timeless and my fiberglass corner fence post I got from you too. I’ve been blessed all around.
I have timeless fence posts because of your recommendation. I like them a lot! They will bend over some if your fence line is not straight. But nonetheless I love them!
If we have a major bend in our fence, we use a brace posts like solid fiberglass or Timeless sells a very beefy I-beam post the is very rigid and will not bend.
Good timing video as I’m about to order some for my perimeter fence. Patching up large sections of barbed wire fence like you mentioned and plan to run a few HT wires offset the barbed.
We did the Timeless post on the inside of the existing barbed wire perimeter fence on our new property per your recommendation. As I told you on the phone my son Scott insisted we do a 7 strand electric to keep any animals we might want. We are on a busy state highway here in Missouri so if our animals get out it is dangerous them and drivers.
Howdy Mr Judy, how do these compare to the blue treadaline posts? Love watching the videos, lookin forward to purchasing some farm land this upcoming year
Good to know. I have a five strand high tensile wire fence. 8" wood posts. I have the top, middle, and bottom wire hot. My question is, at about what height should the bottom hot wire be? Mine is about 12 inches but I'm concerned about ground issues with the winter snow.
You can’t pound plastic in the dry dry dry desert. Don’t get me wrong , I like timeless t-post. I plan to install timeless during the monsoon time where the ground is softer. Durian the dry season Steel t-post is very difficult to put in the ground
Thank you Greg. I used Timeless posts to fence two 15 acres fields. Easy and fast. What do you recommend for end and corner posts? Fiberglass posts are not available in my area.
I'd like to put 2' to 4' of electrical fence above an existing 4' tall 4-panel wood horse fence that has woven wire mesh. I've considered timeless t-posts .. fiberglass posts are much more affordable. Any suggestions?
Greg have you ever bolted two Timeless Tposts together to make an H post? just wondering if you have experimented with that for say a corner post or using as a diagonal brace etc. i held two together and of course the holes don't line up perfectly to bolt through the existing but it is definitely more rigid. I appreciate all of your videos they have been very informative. with yoru videos it helped me setup a 12.5 acre pasture for my goats with high tensile. Cedar posts for the corners and high/low points. i do have one low spot in a wet sandy bottom where a timeless post pulls up so i need to add on each side of it but it's worked so far on 40+ goats and LGD. i did find it's really quick work if you have to, to use the metal tpost clips to tie to the high tensile and a new timeless post if it's added after the fact.
I might have missed it. If you are putting up your electric fence up with an existing fence which side of the existing fence do you recommend installing the electric fence on?
If you were farming 5 acres, 2 1/2 grass, 3 heavy timber. (Gonna deforest some) would you recommend using poly braid or premier one netting on a small scale? I eventually wanna lease larger land and custom graze / build a big flock of sheep
If you can get your animals trained to poly braid it is much easier to put up and take down for moving the livestock. You still need a perimeter fence ideally to keep them on your property if your polybraid gets knocked down accidentally.
Not a fan. I got 10 pole to try. I got no discount for saying I got my info from you. After shipping to Eastern NC. They cost me about 10 bucks ea (5 ft). My helper hit one with tractor tire bent it over . After a week still bent. Had to cut 5 stands of high tensile to remove and replace it. I have a lot of trees and driving them ain't as easy as you make it. I can drive 2 metal pole for one vinyl one. If it even drives. I will stick with the metal one and insulators. Much easier to install and repair. They make good gates. In my opinion that all the good for.
We love them, they work great even in Arizona as long as you use a water jet in the desert concrete soil. No steel posts for me, been there, done that and it gives me nightmares. Grazing with hot wire is miserable when your constantly searching for the next short in your steel post system. I would use fiberglass before I would use steel posts. One cow getting hit by a car can absolutely ruin your entire life if someone is injured.
I've never had a fire burn through our farm, I'm guessing if it was a fast fire with a good wind, they would be fine. A slow hot fire might be hard on them, not sure though.
In very rugged ground, we do 10 to 15' ... also, tighter spacing holds the wires better together, so critters(like predators) can't dash through this system...
@@gregjudyregenerativerancher great insight wasn’t thinking about the sheep being different but they are sneaky I’m planning to close in 34 acres but some is swamps so I will have to get creative for when the spring come and the river rises pushing water in the swamp probably a cut of switch to section the wet part
Greg, I appreciate your videos and have learned much from watching them. I must respectfully disagree with you on this fencing video. I farm in SW Pa with stockers against 3,000 acres of state game-land. We have plenty of deer. I have never had a deer break a snap- on insulator off a steel tee post. Trees and tree limbs will definitely break them. In the woods I usually keep extras snapped on a few posts so if I discover a problem, I have a replacement at hand. I agree that the most important factor of your fence is having a HOT wire. You can get away with a lot if your stock knows that the wire is HOT. I've had fence on the ground for a few hours and the cattle not cross it because they are weary of the hot wire. We use wood corner posts and steel tee posts for our perimeter fence. To divide the paddocks, I use inch wide poly tape. A slight breeze will cause it to flutter and alert deer from running through it. I use a combination of plastic step in posts and fiberglass rods, whatever I can find at a reasonable cost. Recently, I was able to find 5/16 diameter fiberglass driveway markers box of 100 for .81/piece. They work great. Unfortunately, the fence folks have figured out that our management practices are making us profitable, and they are doing their best to get some of it. Thanks again for all the great info and encouragement.
Any ideas on keeping out gators or probably best to let them come and go only if I could train them to gaurd live stock while they are alive like they guard their killed food while eating it 😮Louisiana gaurd dog
Listened to a presentation by a guy that uses used wood posts without insulators and just uses over size chargers. I forget his name, but he works as a fencing contractor as well as a grazier and so he always has lots of posts he’s pulled out on other farms. Seemed like it worked good for him.
@@gregjudyregenerativerancher I’m not going to try it. I like timeless posts. I do think he was from Wisconsin or somewhere with similar rain fall, but I was thinking on it just now, and I’ve actually seen some fence like that in Massachusetts on a farm I used to do some work on. Their fences weren’t that hot, but they did keep the sheep in.
Interesting, we have some fencing like that. The electric wires are clipped directly to the timber without any insulators. If I remember correctly the posts are made from Australian grown eucalyptus.
@@olm6513 the ones I’ve seen were on black locust. For the line posts the old timer just sawed in grooves and slipped the wire in then nailed a thin piece on the outside. The fence is probably 20 years old, and if I were taking the farm on tomorrow I’d probably replace it, but it’s currently functioning.
Timeless fence can be reused many time for pig paddocks too. It’s just so nice to have post that don’t ground out. Thank you for this video.
Thanks for all the great (and free) advice over the years, Greg.
You are right about Timeless fence posts. I live in SW Pennsylvania, these posts go through rock and tree roots. You are correct about trees falling on them, they do stand back up. Thank you Greg for showing a quality post. It is the only post I use now, except for wooden post on my corners. Thank you for putting the time into your channel. Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family!
Thanks Farmer Rod, happy thanksgiving to you folks as well.
I went with Timeless for all my needs except corners. I used treated southern yellow pine. Timeless was great to work with. They put together a starter package for me. Spinning Jenny, energizer, crimps, pliers, crimpers, taps. It was great! Fenced in twenty two acres this summer. Fun project.
Very cool!
We like our Timeless posts, but they are very springy, which dissipates the force of the post driver, especially when attempting to drive in rocky ground. Pre-drilling a hole in the ground with a large-bore bit, as suggested from the Timeless folks, doesn’t always work either. We ended up driving a T-post, pulling it up, and immediately setting a Timeless post in the hole left by the T-post. Many were not driven as deep as the “drive-to” marked on the post indicates, as we were just unable to get them that deep. I’m sure that, with good low-rock soils, they’d be a dream come true.. However, they are secure, and we’ve not had any trouble with the fencing besides the installation..
Yes, in Arizona we used a water jet to drill our holes which made installing them a snap. That ground out there was like a concrete parking lot.
Thanks for the video! I love my timeless fence too. They are awesome but the people at timeless are way better than the post. I called them and they talked me through everything and what I should buy too. It made fence buying so easy and effortless. I’m so glad you talk about these posts all the time because it will save lots of people a headache. I know a few people who have steel posts for the perimeter with hot wire. I can hear it knock hard on a very quiet day about 100 yards away. At night it lights up like a Christmas tree. I’m so glad for my timeless fence t posts from Timeless and my fiberglass corner fence post I got from you too. I’ve been blessed all around.
Good job Marvin, build it right and forget about it after that!
I have timeless fence posts because of your recommendation. I like them a lot! They will bend over some if your fence line is not straight. But nonetheless I love them!
If we have a major bend in our fence, we use a brace posts like solid fiberglass or Timeless sells a very beefy I-beam post the is very rigid and will not bend.
Great product!
Good timing video as I’m about to order some for my perimeter fence. Patching up large sections of barbed wire fence like you mentioned and plan to run a few HT wires offset the barbed.
Happy Thanksgiving. Stay safe and well.
We did the Timeless post on the inside of the existing barbed wire perimeter fence on our new property per your recommendation. As I told you on the phone my son Scott insisted we do a 7 strand electric to keep any animals we might want. We are on a busy state highway here in Missouri so if our animals get out it is dangerous them and drivers.
Great Job!
Thanks for sharing the knowledge 🙏cheers 🍻
Howdy Mr Judy, how do these compare to the blue treadaline posts? Love watching the videos, lookin forward to purchasing some farm land this upcoming year
Thanks 👍
Nice chainsaw hook system...lol.
Well said. If anyone is interested in timeless and your in western PA, I can help you out. DM me.
Good to know. I have a five strand high tensile wire fence. 8" wood posts. I have the top, middle, and bottom wire hot. My question is, at about what height should the bottom hot wire be? Mine is about 12 inches but I'm concerned about ground issues with the winter snow.
We use 10” for bottom wire height
@@gregjudyregenerativerancher thank you!!
Thankyou Greg video shering good 👍
You can’t pound plastic in the dry dry dry desert. Don’t get me wrong , I like timeless t-post. I plan to install timeless during the monsoon time where the ground is softer. Durian the dry season Steel t-post is very difficult to put in the ground
would you recommend 4' timeless post for perimeter fencing?
How do you keep grass and weeds from shorting your fence
Thank you Greg. I used Timeless posts to fence two 15 acres fields. Easy and fast.
What do you recommend for end and corner posts? Fiberglass posts are not available in my area.
Use Osage Orange corner posts if you can find them. Black Locust or Mulberry work fine as well.
Spent 2,500 plus shipping with Timeless last week.
Mike is a great resource at Timeless!
What SIZE post is best for perimeter?
How long does these last?
How many wires do you use for your exterior fence? I'm looking to run cattle, sheep, and hogs and want a secure exterior fence.
5-6 wires would be best.
@@gregjudyregenerativerancher Thank you.
I'd like to put 2' to 4' of electrical fence above an existing 4' tall 4-panel wood horse fence that has woven wire mesh. I've considered timeless t-posts .. fiberglass posts are much more affordable. Any suggestions?
If you want to paint posts, fiberglass will work, but you need to keep paint on them.
You can screw shorter timeless right to the wood horse fence and then running your high tensile. Hands down the best fence posts you can get!
Greg have you ever bolted two Timeless Tposts together to make an H post? just wondering if you have experimented with that for say a corner post or using as a diagonal brace etc. i held two together and of course the holes don't line up perfectly to bolt through the existing but it is definitely more rigid. I appreciate all of your videos they have been very informative. with yoru videos it helped me setup a 12.5 acre pasture for my goats with high tensile. Cedar posts for the corners and high/low points. i do have one low spot in a wet sandy bottom where a timeless post pulls up so i need to add on each side of it but it's worked so far on 40+ goats and LGD. i did find it's really quick work if you have to, to use the metal tpost clips to tie to the high tensile and a new timeless post if it's added after the fact.
Good job Andrew!
I might have missed it. If you are putting up your electric fence up with an existing fence which side of the existing fence do you recommend installing the electric fence on?
The side that your livestock will be against.
If you were farming 5 acres, 2 1/2 grass, 3 heavy timber. (Gonna deforest some) would you recommend using poly braid or premier one netting on a small scale? I eventually wanna lease larger land and custom graze / build a big flock of sheep
If you can get your animals trained to poly braid it is much easier to put up and take down for moving the livestock. You still need a perimeter fence ideally to keep them on your property if your polybraid gets knocked down accidentally.
@@gregjudyregenerativerancher thank you so much sir!
Thanks! If someone already has sucker rod (fiberglass) posts what paint would you use?
White enamel
what do the clips look like for barbed wire?
Not a fan. I got 10 pole to try. I got no discount for saying I got my info from you. After shipping to Eastern NC. They cost me about 10 bucks ea (5 ft). My helper hit one with tractor tire bent it over . After a week still bent. Had to cut 5 stands of high tensile to remove and replace it. I have a lot of trees and driving them ain't as easy as you make it. I can drive 2 metal pole for one vinyl one. If it even drives. I will stick with the metal one and insulators. Much easier to install and repair. They make good gates. In my opinion that all the good for.
We love them, they work great even in Arizona as long as you use a water jet in the desert concrete soil. No steel posts for me, been there, done that and it gives me nightmares. Grazing with hot wire is miserable when your constantly searching for the next short in your steel post system. I would use fiberglass before I would use steel posts. One cow getting hit by a car can absolutely ruin your entire life if someone is injured.
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how about the risk to them melting in a fire?
I've never had a fire burn through our farm, I'm guessing if it was a fast fire with a good wind, they would be fine. A slow hot fire might be hard on them, not sure though.
Greg how far do you space this post apart?
On flat ground around 20 feet works great.
@@gregjudyregenerativerancher can you go 30 feet apart on flat soft ground
Yes that would be the maximum length with cattle. Sheep I would stay with 20 feet.
In very rugged ground, we do 10 to 15' ... also, tighter spacing holds the wires better together, so critters(like predators) can't dash through this system...
@@gregjudyregenerativerancher great insight wasn’t thinking about the sheep being different but they are sneaky I’m planning to close in 34 acres but some is swamps so I will have to get creative for when the spring come and the river rises pushing water in the swamp probably a cut of switch to section the wet part
Greg, I appreciate your videos and have learned much from watching them. I must respectfully disagree with you on this fencing video. I farm in SW Pa with stockers against 3,000 acres of state game-land. We have plenty of deer. I have never had a deer break a snap- on insulator off a steel tee post. Trees and tree limbs will definitely break them. In the woods I usually keep extras snapped on a few posts so if I discover a problem, I have a replacement at hand. I agree that the most important factor of your fence is having a HOT wire. You can get away with a lot if your stock knows that the wire is HOT. I've had fence on the ground for a few hours and the cattle not cross it because they are weary of the hot wire. We use wood corner posts and steel tee posts for our perimeter fence. To divide the paddocks, I use inch wide poly tape. A slight breeze will cause it to flutter and alert deer from running through it. I use a combination of plastic step in posts and fiberglass rods, whatever I can find at a reasonable cost. Recently, I was able to find 5/16 diameter fiberglass driveway markers box of 100 for .81/piece. They work great. Unfortunately, the fence folks have figured out that our management practices are making us profitable, and they are doing their best to get some of it. Thanks again for all the great info and encouragement.
Glad your making it work. No steel posts for me.
Not selling these anymore? What happened ?
We are dealers of Timeless Posts. Best post made in the world!!!!
Hoping to start switching over to timeless fence posts for my corners / end posts this year.
Any ideas on keeping out gators or probably best to let them come and go only if I could train them to gaurd live stock while they are alive like they guard their killed food while eating it 😮Louisiana gaurd dog
Maybe you could train them and lease them out "Gator Guardians"!!
@@gregjudyregenerativerancher I’ll start with a shock collar and hotdogs I hope it works ha ha🙈
You need to make a video on that!
What is a good analogue for mainland Europe, anyone know?
First whoohoo
Listened to a presentation by a guy that uses used wood posts without insulators and just uses over size chargers. I forget his name, but he works as a fencing contractor as well as a grazier and so he always has lots of posts he’s pulled out on other farms. Seemed like it worked good for him.
Good luck in a rainy period for weeks on end. Your fence will be as dead as a canned mackerel!!!!
@@gregjudyregenerativerancher I’m not going to try it. I like timeless posts. I do think he was from Wisconsin or somewhere with similar rain fall, but I was thinking on it just now, and I’ve actually seen some fence like that in Massachusetts on a farm I used to do some work on. Their fences weren’t that hot, but they did keep the sheep in.
Interesting, we have some fencing like that. The electric wires are clipped directly to the timber without any insulators. If I remember correctly the posts are made from Australian grown eucalyptus.
@@olm6513 the ones I’ve seen were on black locust. For the line posts the old timer just sawed in grooves and slipped the wire in then nailed a thin piece on the outside. The fence is probably 20 years old, and if I were taking the farm on tomorrow I’d probably replace it, but it’s currently functioning.
@@swamp-yankee Gallagher insultimber was the brand of ours. Its lasted 20+ years, they still sell it I think