I think the "reviewer space" conversation has been fascinating, and personally I stand on the other side of it, but as you said you also had the reviewer's permission to post a video so that's all good. The issues come when an author with a following calls out specific, random reviewers and essentially launches their followers at them (which we saw with Hough recently, and obviously many others). As you say those are just jerks being jerks, but I think there's merit to the idea that reviewer spaces are actually not FOR authors; they are for the readers, to determine whether they think they'll enjoy a book. Obviously I don't know your experience but as a reviewer-author that's likely gonna be a blurry line, which is fine, and I think the main lesson from these incidents and dramas are basically "Ask permission, don't be a jerk" which you seem to be great on, so. I still find it a fascinating discussion that's taken place, and even though I stand on the other side of it I totally see the merits of what you're saying.
I completely see where you're coming from. Its a matter of which angle do you value more. The dialogue or the reviewer space. There is no RIGHT answer.
@@DanielGreeneReviews I think this is a case where caution and real dialogue are necessary. There is a line between constructive communication of opinions and tastes but it should stay constructive. I see what Zachary means and it is awful. I actually think its a great tool for authors and critics to get a better understanding of the other side and an even better tool for improvement as sometimes written reviews or other forms of reviews can be misunderstood or not fully understood and a conversation could clear out some of these issues. This of course means that both the author and critics and the audiences surrounding both parties have to be willing to hear the other side out and participate in a proper discussion which is not a battle that has to be won but an exchange of information. Any unfiltered extreme leads to nothing productive. No author should be able to just denounce critics and no critic should be able to ignore authors intents and statements.
i think my issue comes from mostly people ANTICIPATING that an author is going to come out of left field, and come out swinging, and while that does happen, i don't think it's healthy to expect that to be the result, as if an author's only intent is to write a thing, with the mindset that they decree it as now word of law. sure, that happens sometimes, but i think the people on the reviewer-spaces side of the argument are too quick to assume an author is going to be nefarious if they want to jump in on a conversation. look at steven erikson. the ONLY TIME he has ever come out with any level of assertiveness was to clarify some things about a plot line that may be often misunderstood, that he feels is an important enough thing he wanted to get across, that he felt it necessary to make sure people knew what they were reading (since there are times, EASILY, when a reader can misconstrue what SE was saying.... his works are.... complex) or then there are times when SE straight up calls out people for belligerently and intentionally missing the point. bad faith actors. which he should be afforded the right to do. you can't take a person's work, their blood sweat and tears, and appropriate it, and turn the narrative on its head so that it comes off far more horrifying than was EVER meant. you just can't do that.
@@billyalarie929 I definetley agree there. I think bottom line is that it is communication and communication can only find success if all participants act open-minded, respectful and measured. But that is not what most humans do. Not considering the other side and lashing out violently without concerns means you have to think less and you have to put less energy into things. And being that, that is what many people do, as its easier, everyone assumes that the other side will also react that way. This creates a realm of aggression and combativeness that makes sincere conversation even more complicating than it already is without angry people. Efforts to maintain and construct an atmosphere and space where honest and good intentioned conversation can take place have to come from all participants. Am I being repetitive and to dramatic. I feel like I am being repetitive and overly dramatic
Every book you publish in this series should have a single instance where the main character is called by their placeholder name as an easter egg for long time fans lol
True story: At 14 I found a comma error in the Two Towers and asked the teacher about it... she concluded that Tolkien was probably right and he can do what he wants with the english language... now i know it was just a proofing error.
@Charlotte Krausz And some rules are broken in the favor of style. Me using "and" at the beginning of a sentence, for example, is technically against the rules.
Freedom of placing comma is actually a real thing, its very common in writing. Sometimes you want to have a certain flow to your sentence so you play around with commas and don't give a dam about grammar rules. Stephen King says points this out in his book, "On writing." Commas aren't big deals, yes it can make a sentence clunky if you place it at the wrong place BUT no one goes, "🤬U placed a wrong comma, go die!"
Probably a proofing error, but Tolkien really can do whatever he wants. Tolkien can write absolute gibberish and I bet we would still find value in it.
Whenever I hear about errors in creative arts, I remember that when editing American Psycho the editor suggested that they should merge two club-scenes together and use a brief unrelated bathroom scene as tape. The Director liked the idea but said it wouldn't work since Christian Bale wore a different suit in each scene, so there would be three different suits in the span of 50 seconds. And the Editor replied "Literally no-one will notice." So they did it and millions upon millions of people watched the film, and literally no-one complained.
Honestly, since the movie is about a madman I would say if anybody did notice it would probably just add to the insane mystique of the unreliable narrator.
Within the margins of error. Don't beat yourself up about it, virtually every of these mistakes is made by even veteran authors. Just be proud of yourself for writing anything at all!
Ufff. Happens to the best of us. I was finishing an essay when i noticed that I missspelled the name of a company. I had to do a lot of rereads that day
The drama on main stream youtube: scamming, assault accusations, exploiting children for clout. The drama on booktube: disliking a popular YA book, responding to reviewers, not using spoiler warning.
@@LilStormborn Oh sure, id say the mistakes in the video were just little fun bugs. Of course, there can be game breaking bugs just like there can be errors in books so huge it just brings you out of it.
When I began writing some years ago, I noticed there was no _me_ in the text because I had an idea that I need to write in an ‘authorly’ way. Then I read Terry Pratchett's _Thief of Time_ and realised I can write however I wish. So, I rewrote everything and added talking bunnies to the story.
Yeah. The only ones which bug me are the one about the torturer's shirt in Night Watch and one total grammar failure in The Fifth Elephant - only because they break the 4th wall. Apart from that, you're too caught up in the story to notice - and that was the case with Breach of Peace :)
At one point in Nights watch, young Vetinari calls Sam (who everyone thinks is keel at this point) "Vimes". I theorised how the f he knew is was Sam for ages...turns out it was just a blunder. This was in the audio book, so it could have been an error with the reading. I never even noticed the torturers shirt, I just had to google what the error was. :)
@@kieranbrooks10 I never noticed the thing about young Sam and Vimes getting muddled up - wonder if that was an error on the audio book? There are two versions of those, one read in full by Stephen Briggs, and the other an abridged (sacrilege!) version read by Tony Robinson.
As a small booktuber that you promoted… we REALLY appreciated it. Still by far our most popular video. So thank you for that, and please never stop doing it! So from the bottom of our hearts, Fantology thanks you.
I self-published my first novel almost a year ago, and I'm still only halfway through my first read of it. Every misspelling, wrong name and placeholder that slipped through my editing phase is an emotional punch in the face..
I wrote a book once upon a time where I was talking about lit sconces and it autocorrected to "scones" My explanation to people who read that edition was those are clearly electrified sconces. Because they contain currants.
This is why you should publish your books through git. Find a mistake, just push out the correction. Readers find a mistake or have suggestions, they can submit merge requests. Drafting new ideas, just splits to a new branch. Reader wants to start a fanfiction? They can just clone to get started!
It's an amazing thing from you to sharing your struggles, specially that many people may had familiar difficulties both in Booktube and the "Self-publishing world". I just finished the video of "Hello Future Me" where he also confessed his anxieties about his own book as well. Really wish both of you to be successful!
As a fellow self-published author, I've been there. It gets a little better with practice. Also, I've managed to misspell my entire cover, and only caught it two days before release, so- yea (fortunately, I was with Amazon and they hadn't printed anything yet, so it wasn't a difficult thing to change). It helps to have a list of all the things- placeholder names and misspellings of unusual words- and then use your word processor on the final document to search for those "wrong" words.
I discovered and subscribed to many new and smaller youtubers based on your book release and subsequent drama. I loved that there were so many channels talking about the book! It made the release feel like an event, with so many videos going up at the same time.
As an attorney who has worked on self-publishing cases... I'm glad you already have some notoriety, Daniel. What gets promised in this money making machine often doesn't deliver. That said, I'll be buying your book!
I’m currently in the process of editing for self publishing so I am definitely coming back to this as soon as I publish and fret about the errors that inevitably slipped past …
I love talking with authors!!! I’ve only done it once but it was great. Lol I just did my BoP review I’m soooooo late to the party. So I thought I felt your authorial voice came through fairly well!
I didnt even noticed the mistakes at all lol was so captivated by the story and characters, I was just drawn to the mystery of why all that was happening
My stance is that if one can criticise other people's work directly, then one can be criticised directly. It doesn't matter what it applies to, books, music, films, gardening, whatever. Reviewers literally make a living out of calling out author's mistakes. It seems only fair for their mistakes to be called out and if they're not just as graceful at accepting it then they're just ... bullies. Also i would love to see more of sassy Daniel in future books. Need me some spicy rants.
When I'm reading, I certainly give self-published books a lot more leeway with proofing errors than 'traditionally' published books. If a brand new hardback from an experienced writer with a publishing house behind them has proofing errors, 'smaller' writers can definitely give themselves a break! (e.g. I found 4 or 5 proofing errors in The Shadow of the Gods)
What's kind of fun is that if you end up doing a re-release of your books, only to originals will have that typo! There are first edition books that are very valuable because they have errors! It's like having a unique one of kind copy. For a self-pub and first time author I thought the whole story was good! Not the best thing I've ever read, but it was super engaging and I loved the world building! The only downside is that in a couple places the dialogue was a tad clunky? Nothing time and experience won't work out though! For a new first time author I would say this book is a solid 7/10!
Mistakes happen, especially on a first run without the money of a major publishing house behind you. You should be proud that you got your work out there, mistakes and all; most writers never do.
The horrible thing is, at least for continuity errors, traditional publishing isn't much better. I found a massive continuity error on the first page of my book that my editor at Tor, the copyeditors, and all my readers didn't notice
It happens to everyone. Even if someone's job is to proofread, their attention can't be 100% focused at all times. Especially with mistakes that your eyes gloss over, like some extra or missing letters. I don't read much self-published since it doesn't often find it's way to libraries, but I've found plenty of typos in books over the years by professionnal publications. It happens, we're all human! And names are the easiest to bungle because programs don't necessarily pick them out from the other proper names.
I mean, there was that moment in Towers of Midnight where Faile and Perrin are talking from Faile's POV and Sando abruptly shifts to Perrin's POV midstream for an epiphany for a whole ass paragraph and literally no one caught that during the proofreading process. It was so jarring that I have a flashbulbs memory of the moment I read it waiting for my class on Screenwriting to start. That is to say, it happens to the best of 'em
I actually stopped taking review copies because I was cyber stalked (beyond my blog into my personal/work internet presence) by an author. So, I do strongly believe in reviewer space because that was a horrible experience. The irony is that the book in question was a children's book about bulling - seriously.
Didn't even notice, brother! I think your book is head and shoulders above the AuthorTuber books out there. The bets part of that is that you're a BookTuber. Well done. I loved it and can't wait for the next one.
I think your stance is absolutely reasonable. While I can understand people not liking huge author criticizing small reviewer, stopping all conversation between authors and reviewers robs us of soooo many interesting perspectives.
Mr. Green I enjoyed your first book. I look forward to joining you on your journey to becoming a famous author. It’s cool to see the behind the scenes with all the success and failures. Your smart and I can’t wait to see where you and your Chanel go from here.
I’m really excited to hear you are going to add more of “your voice” in book two! I really enjoyed the first book but my main complaint was the dialogue felt like tropes from old 80’s police dramas and a little out of place.
I had the same thoughts after reading. It's very obvious that you understand how a good story is written, you have an entire channel dedicated to discussing fantasy, but it also felt like either due to it being a novella or your first attempt that there wasn't a lot of you put into the book. But that also just made me more excited to read whatever you'll write next because I thought you had an interesting setting, just need some time to find your voice and how to express it. Just some thoughts from a reader!
I really appreciate this kind of videos you've made. We learn from mistakes and from others' mistakes, too, and it's really helpful! I'm at my outlining and worldbuilding stage with my first book, and i'm not even native in english (i find my first language very complicated in writing and i think better when i think in english), and these things are really good things to know. Thanks a lot, Lord Goblin.
Thank you for these nuggets of information. Self publishing can seem an impossible wall to climb when the info is so spread out. This will help a lot of people.
I like that you got permission and promote spaces for civil discussion. Anything less to me feels like bullying and reminiscent of the toxic side of cancel culture. Good on you.
Your final point about voice I definitely think was the "big" problem, so well done for noticing that. The little typos and miscounts are not, I think, very important to anyone who is not hopelessly nitpicky
If it's any consolation, Terry Pratchett makes a similar mistake in Night Watch. In one scene where Vimes & co storm the Cable Street Watch House, they trap the torturer in his own torture chair. mentioning that this guy is naked to the waist. Then on the next page, as the action moves forwarrd, the torturturer strapped into his own torture chair is.... wearing a white shirt. Oopsie! To be honest, I loved this novella so much and was so invested in the characters and the action, I never noticed that mistake. Though I prefer the name Wilkins to Witter... in England, 'witter' means 'meaningless chat (n)' or 'to talk a load of meaningless rubbish (v)' . Wilkins sounds a lot more steampunk-appropriate :)
These things happen chap. Even to the pro publishers. I remember some weirdness in one of the early editions for a wheel of time book. For some reason there was a square bracket in the middle of a word. And there have been numerous punctuation errors in books over the years, spelling mistakes etc. As to characters, as much as I love Pratchett, Wilikins is a completely different man at the end compared to when we first meet him. No mention of tattoos and street fighting in guards guards. I think the Wilikins at the start would have a hernia over the back story he was given later. But I still love him. Don't kick yourself, we still good man.
I really appreciate how you're willing to address how you've mishandled things in the past and willing to make your intentions clear. It's refreshing and makes me respect you a lot.
There's a power imbalance between authors and reviewers. Authors responding to a negative review have been proved to spark hordes of their most passionate fans to go after the reviewer. It has happened several times. What is the point of a review? It is for readers to let other readers know their opinion. It's not feedback for authors. Of course, authors can respond if a reviewer is grossly misinterpreting the text in a harmful way, but for the most part, they shouldn't respond at all.
I think there's an argument to be made that this effect goes both ways. Case in point with this situation around BoP. After seeing a review, people formed opinions and made assumptions about the author. There is always a power imbalance when people have a following online, but that's not exclusive to authors. There are quite a few reviewers on RUclips that probably have more of a following than the authors of most of the books they review. I think it's healthier to say that people with large audiences need to be mindful of what they say rather than saying that authors specifically shouldn't speak to reviewers online.
@@Slink1701 it’s not that they shouldn’t speak to reviewers but rather that they shouldn’t respond to reviews. Reviews are not a conversation with the author or feedback - they are meant for other readers.
@@sjokkoladehjerte Of course, I'm not saying he did something wrong. But replying to a friend isn't the same thing as answering to other reviewers (who may or may not have a big platform or do it for a living).
Chill Deep Dives sure, but that's what im saying; even if they are not his friend, he asked for permission to respond and or feature them as a smaller creators (even if they didn't like the book), but didn't if they didn't want him to.
I didn’t know you are dyslexic. I am also dyslexic and currently writing a series of books. I had many doubts about myself due to my learning disability. It’s encouraging that a dyslexic wrote a book!
I see mistakes in grammar and typos in even books from big publishing companies. Don’t sweat it, no one’s perfect and imperfection is beautiful. Keep creating and doing what you love! ✌️
I remember the first video I watched from you where when you interviewed Brent Weeks one year ago and told him that you quit your job to be a first time RUclipsr, so happy to see your success Daniel! Lots of hard work behind it and it's great to see the growth
I liked how you wrote it, I took the less (I guess feel of you) in it to be a choice you made. To me it felt like a Sherlock Holmes inspired way of writing, and I know you love those stories, so I thought you did great with it. I was wrong however with all that, but still, great job! I loved it and can’t wait for more.
I didn’t notice these mistakes and I am pretty good at spotting them. Must have been in the zone. Thanks for allowing me to review a copy of this. The video really helped my channel.
The amount of devil horn hand gestures tapping the table in this video was hypnotic! Wonderful insight as always, really appreciate this self pub series
Daniel, big fan, mostly keep to myself but I wanted to say I appreciate the time, energy, and clarity that you bring to the table when discussing the self-published space. I wanted to reach out and let you know as I read the e-book that I spotted a continuity error or two involving Chapman and Samuel but I hate the thought of blasting it out in case it's something you've already been made aware of.
Welcome to the wonderful world of being an author with all the glorious fun of missed typos, second guessing, and people who take issue. Congratulations, you are one of us.
I noticed the place holder name mistake straight away, I was like .. wait what. And went back. BUT I carried on reading and didn't think about it again. Did not negatively effect my reading experience at all Dan! 😊
I want to buy your book Daniel. Wanna make a review for it. I wanna make as objective as possible. So, hopes are up ! You re a great booktuber , been watching you for two years hope you keep writing ! You are one of the best fantasy fans of all time ! I hope i can be a part of your community ! Love ya all!
I really appreciate your perspective and I find your attitude welcoming and constructive. As a producer of content, I get it and I want to engage sometimes. It's about good faith for me. Audience participation is an amazing thing. I want to hear constructive feedback and ask clarifying and probing questions. As far as when is it appropriate to engage with the audience? I don't know that there's any established lines anymore, in the Twitter verse hellscape of today. Sure there's barriers and issues of intended use of particular spaces, but I take that all as a matter of taste. Do you. Live and learn. The fact that you're involved and responding here and elsewhere, I see as only a positive.
I totally understand getting the audio book recorded as fast as possible, excitement about the can be intoxicating and it was your first book. I still fall for it with releases on my label where I wanna get things out before they are maybe 120% ready and proofed. As for the reviewer space discussion, I only learned of it when it spilled over into the Steven Erikson sideshow and affected us there, then it took me a while to realize that it was connected to Breach of Peace. To be clear: I was really happy when you commented on my review video and I would totally open the boardgame store with you.
man, it's no biggie, I didn't even notice, typos and stuff happen in every book, no matter how many editors there are. I've seen stuff like these bazillions of times in all kinds of books. your book was excellent, the audiobook was excellent, first-class production all the way through. feel proud
Hey, you covered a bit about lots of moving pieces. As you were talking it sounded a lot like problems that come up in projects throughout the business world. It might be an idea to use Gantt charts to help the scheduling and budgets of the publishing process. Possibly this doesn’t give enough flexibility and probably won’t be for everyone but it might be helpful? Anyhow thanks for the content as always!
Hey Daniel I just finished Breach of Peace OMFG it was brilliant. I can't wait for more as I have so many questions. Will you be documenting your progress with those books too and when can we expect the next installment? Love you and your content. Stay safe.
Remember, even the great Stan Lee called Spiderman 'Peter Palmer'. I make sure any placeholders are obvious. Usually all caps surrounded by square brackets. And yeah, I look at my first novel, and there are many mistakes. Not just grammar, but structurally as well. It is something I have got better at over the years, but I don't have enough money to hire editors and proofreaders, so I have to take extra care over it.
While it never got published, I changed my main characters name on my third novel about halfway through the manuscript without realizing it. And it wasn't because they were similar. Her name somehow went from Alicia to Jessica. And I didn't notice until I was making notes for my second draft.
I think the "reviewer space" conversation has been fascinating, and personally I stand on the other side of it, but as you said you also had the reviewer's permission to post a video so that's all good. The issues come when an author with a following calls out specific, random reviewers and essentially launches their followers at them (which we saw with Hough recently, and obviously many others). As you say those are just jerks being jerks, but I think there's merit to the idea that reviewer spaces are actually not FOR authors; they are for the readers, to determine whether they think they'll enjoy a book.
Obviously I don't know your experience but as a reviewer-author that's likely gonna be a blurry line, which is fine, and I think the main lesson from these incidents and dramas are basically "Ask permission, don't be a jerk" which you seem to be great on, so. I still find it a fascinating discussion that's taken place, and even though I stand on the other side of it I totally see the merits of what you're saying.
I completely see where you're coming from. Its a matter of which angle do you value more. The dialogue or the reviewer space. There is no RIGHT answer.
@@DanielGreeneReviews I think this is a case where caution and real dialogue are necessary. There is a line between constructive communication of opinions and tastes but it should stay constructive. I see what Zachary means and it is awful. I actually think its a great tool for authors and critics to get a better understanding of the other side and an even better tool for improvement as sometimes written reviews or other forms of reviews can be misunderstood or not fully understood and a conversation could clear out some of these issues. This of course means that both the author and critics and the audiences surrounding both parties have to be willing to hear the other side out and participate in a proper discussion which is not a battle that has to be won but an exchange of information. Any unfiltered extreme leads to nothing productive. No author should be able to just denounce critics and no critic should be able to ignore authors intents and statements.
i think my issue comes from mostly people ANTICIPATING that an author is going to come out of left field, and come out swinging, and while that does happen, i don't think it's healthy to expect that to be the result, as if an author's only intent is to write a thing, with the mindset that they decree it as now word of law. sure, that happens sometimes, but i think the people on the reviewer-spaces side of the argument are too quick to assume an author is going to be nefarious if they want to jump in on a conversation.
look at steven erikson. the ONLY TIME he has ever come out with any level of assertiveness was to clarify some things about a plot line that may be often misunderstood, that he feels is an important enough thing he wanted to get across, that he felt it necessary to make sure people knew what they were reading (since there are times, EASILY, when a reader can misconstrue what SE was saying.... his works are.... complex)
or then there are times when SE straight up calls out people for belligerently and intentionally missing the point. bad faith actors. which he should be afforded the right to do. you can't take a person's work, their blood sweat and tears, and appropriate it, and turn the narrative on its head so that it comes off far more horrifying than was EVER meant. you just can't do that.
@@Breadcutter I agree with you whole heartedly
@@billyalarie929 I definetley agree there. I think bottom line is that it is communication and communication can only find success if all participants act open-minded, respectful and measured. But that is not what most humans do. Not considering the other side and lashing out violently without concerns means you have to think less and you have to put less energy into things. And being that, that is what many people do, as its easier, everyone assumes that the other side will also react that way. This creates a realm of aggression and combativeness that makes sincere conversation even more complicating than it already is without angry people. Efforts to maintain and construct an atmosphere and space where honest and good intentioned conversation can take place have to come from all participants. Am I being repetitive and to dramatic. I feel like I am being repetitive and overly dramatic
Every book you publish in this series should have a single instance where the main character is called by their placeholder name as an easter egg for long time fans lol
I commented the same thing, then i saw this comment😂
YAASSS💜
YAASSS💜 🤭🤭😏🤣
Yeah I’m here for this
And have a character say something like "oh i thought that was your name" or something.
"It doesn't bug me that much"
Those are the words of a liar.
True story: At 14 I found a comma error in the Two Towers and asked the teacher about it... she concluded that Tolkien was probably right and he can do what he wants with the english language... now i know it was just a proofing error.
You must be very smart
@Charlotte Krausz And some rules are broken in the favor of style. Me using "and" at the beginning of a sentence, for example, is technically against the rules.
Freedom of placing comma is actually a real thing, its very common in writing. Sometimes you want to have a certain flow to your sentence so you play around with commas and don't give a dam about grammar rules. Stephen King says points this out in his book, "On writing." Commas aren't big deals, yes it can make a sentence clunky if you place it at the wrong place BUT no one goes, "🤬U placed a wrong comma, go die!"
Probably a proofing error, but Tolkien really can do whatever he wants. Tolkien can write absolute gibberish and I bet we would still find value in it.
I think your teacher was right. When language is involved, Tolkien can do whatever he wants. He mastered the English language like no one else ever.
I love the idea that Daniel has an identical roommate that loves to torment him.
It is the physical manifestation of anxiety. Always there, always poking, never paying rent.
@@zacharyanderson6836 😿😿
Whenever I hear about errors in creative arts, I remember that when editing American Psycho the editor suggested that they should merge two club-scenes together and use a brief unrelated bathroom scene as tape. The Director liked the idea but said it wouldn't work since Christian Bale wore a different suit in each scene, so there would be three different suits in the span of 50 seconds. And the Editor replied "Literally no-one will notice." So they did it and millions upon millions of people watched the film, and literally no-one complained.
Honestly, since the movie is about a madman I would say if anybody did notice it would probably just add to the insane mystique of the unreliable narrator.
Proud to be a fan of a writer that reflects and admits mistakes. Incredibly inspiring for me as an aspiring novelist, and a great learning resource
Serious question: Do you think of Daniel as a writer first and foremost? For me, he's a RUclipsr I like who also happens to make books 🤷🏻♂️
@@milospollonia1121 what does it matter which thing Daniel is "first"? Can't two aspects of a single identity be of equal importance?
At first I thought this was a 14 minute skit of just evil goblin going off
Just him laughing the whole time
I would've loved that tbh
Within the margins of error. Don't beat yourself up about it, virtually every of these mistakes is made by even veteran authors. Just be proud of yourself for writing anything at all!
I only read perfect, original, wholesome stories like 50 Shades of Grey
🤣🤣🤣 thank you🤣🤣
bhahahahahaha
Whitkins.... who the fuq is Whitkins? (Turns out that’s why. I fat thumbed Whitkins and not Wilkins so the replace all didn’t get it. 🤦♂️)
So, you not only missed it, but you misspelled what you missed. Noice
Oooh
Reminds me of that scene from the office. Dwigt
Ufff.
Happens to the best of us. I was finishing an essay when i noticed that I missspelled the name of a company. I had to do a lot of rereads that day
@D.T.Ellis They can't do that in this world?
My whole life has been a LIE
The drama on main stream youtube: scamming, assault accusations, exploiting children for clout.
The drama on booktube: disliking a popular YA book, responding to reviewers, not using spoiler warning.
I kind of love finding spelling/grammar errors in books. Idk its like - oh yeah an actual human wrote this!
It's like finding a bug in a video game.
@@CanadianYeti69 but THAT enjoyment is very heavily influenced what type of bug^^
@@LilStormborn Oh sure, id say the mistakes in the video were just little fun bugs. Of course, there can be game breaking bugs just like there can be errors in books so huge it just brings you out of it.
When I began writing some years ago, I noticed there was no _me_ in the text because I had an idea that I need to write in an ‘authorly’ way. Then I read Terry Pratchett's _Thief of Time_ and realised I can write however I wish. So, I rewrote everything and added talking bunnies to the story.
Literal talking bunnies, or is that author jargon?
Literal talking bunnies, or is that author jargon?
@@hanzquejano7112 Literal---although, now when you mentioned, it does sound like it could also be jargon.
I’ve found way worse mistakes in Discworld. And Sir Pterry was an actual genius.
Oh
Yeah. The only ones which bug me are the one about the torturer's shirt in Night Watch and one total grammar failure in The Fifth Elephant - only because they break the 4th wall. Apart from that, you're too caught up in the story to notice - and that was the case with Breach of Peace :)
At one point in Nights watch, young Vetinari calls Sam (who everyone thinks is keel at this point) "Vimes". I theorised how the f he knew is was Sam for ages...turns out it was just a blunder.
This was in the audio book, so it could have been an error with the reading.
I never even noticed the torturers shirt, I just had to google what the error was. :)
@@kieranbrooks10 I never noticed the thing about young Sam and Vimes getting muddled up - wonder if that was an error on the audio book? There are two versions of those, one read in full by Stephen Briggs, and the other an abridged (sacrilege!) version read by Tony Robinson.
Oh God Daniel, why does the laughter give me PTSD flashbacks to Bob from Twin Peaks (btw, that show mentally scarred me more than Joker ever did)
That also reminded me of the same thing =O
Great reference!
How's Annie?
@@LeChaunce *OH GOD NO-*
I'm having flashbacks lol
Same. That show was weird but it felt pretty tame until partway through season 2.
As a small booktuber that you promoted… we REALLY appreciated it. Still by far our most popular video. So thank you for that, and please never stop doing it! So from the bottom of our hearts, Fantology thanks you.
I self-published my first novel almost a year ago, and I'm still only halfway through my first read of it. Every misspelling, wrong name and placeholder that slipped through my editing phase is an emotional punch in the face..
Learn. Grow. Adapt. Come back stronger next time.
That’s how it works man. You’re doing it right. :)
Well that was an effective skit, made me think of all the times I've made an oversight with editing on a project and the stress of it.
My first book had a typo in it in the acknowledgements, the one thing my editor did not get a chance to review. :facepalm:
A good way of showing everyone how necessary your editor's job is. Arguably the perfect acknowledgement
I wrote a book once upon a time where I was talking about lit sconces and it autocorrected to "scones"
My explanation to people who read that edition was those are clearly electrified sconces.
Because they contain currants.
I know it's a Dad joke, but this deserves more love
Haha 😂
This is why you should publish your books through git. Find a mistake, just push out the correction. Readers find a mistake or have suggestions, they can submit merge requests. Drafting new ideas, just splits to a new branch. Reader wants to start a fanfiction? They can just clone to get started!
Oh I love this idea!🤣🤣🤣
It's an amazing thing from you to sharing your struggles, specially that many people may had familiar difficulties both in Booktube and the "Self-publishing world". I just finished the video of "Hello Future Me" where he also confessed his anxieties about his own book as well. Really wish both of you to be successful!
I can't think of any author who wants their books on Goodreads
What's wrong with goodreads
Ooh
@@celebalert5616 what isn't wrong with Goodreads 😂
Well I for one like Goodreads and if I ever manage to finish my book I'd love for it to get on there.
@@dnatsrednUouYoD It works OK for me but I'm not an author
As a fellow self-published author, I've been there. It gets a little better with practice.
Also, I've managed to misspell my entire cover, and only caught it two days before release, so- yea (fortunately, I was with Amazon and they hadn't printed anything yet, so it wasn't a difficult thing to change).
It helps to have a list of all the things- placeholder names and misspellings of unusual words- and then use your word processor on the final document to search for those "wrong" words.
listen, the first printing just got super valuable daniel, thats all
also 1:05 that cackling *chef's kiss*
Very insightful, thank you Goblin Man.
Think of it this way: if the book really takes off, these copies will be highly prized by collectors.
I discovered and subscribed to many new and smaller youtubers based on your book release and subsequent drama. I loved that there were so many channels talking about the book! It made the release feel like an event, with so many videos going up at the same time.
As an attorney who has worked on self-publishing cases... I'm glad you already have some notoriety, Daniel. What gets promised in this money making machine often doesn't deliver. That said, I'll be buying your book!
I’m currently in the process of editing for self publishing so I am definitely coming back to this as soon as I publish and fret about the errors that inevitably slipped past …
I love talking with authors!!! I’ve only done it once but it was great. Lol I just did my BoP review I’m soooooo late to the party. So I thought I felt your authorial voice came through fairly well!
I didnt even noticed the mistakes at all lol was so captivated by the story and characters, I was just drawn to the mystery of why all that was happening
1. Love the content
2. It appears that the book had overall solid reviews, despite those few mini critiques. Great job with the debut, fantastic
My stance is that if one can criticise other people's work directly, then one can be criticised directly. It doesn't matter what it applies to, books, music, films, gardening, whatever. Reviewers literally make a living out of calling out author's mistakes. It seems only fair for their mistakes to be called out and if they're not just as graceful at accepting it then they're just ... bullies.
Also i would love to see more of sassy Daniel in future books. Need me some spicy rants.
Listening to the book right now and I gotta say "cocking the revolver on his pistol" is a worse oopsy.
Is it a fully semi-automatic assault revolver?
I’m so excited to see where this series is going and how you’ll develop as a writer! 😊
When I'm reading, I certainly give self-published books a lot more leeway with proofing errors than 'traditionally' published books. If a brand new hardback from an experienced writer with a publishing house behind them has proofing errors, 'smaller' writers can definitely give themselves a break! (e.g. I found 4 or 5 proofing errors in The Shadow of the Gods)
What's kind of fun is that if you end up doing a re-release of your books, only to originals will have that typo! There are first edition books that are very valuable because they have errors! It's like having a unique one of kind copy. For a self-pub and first time author I thought the whole story was good! Not the best thing I've ever read, but it was super engaging and I loved the world building! The only downside is that in a couple places the dialogue was a tad clunky? Nothing time and experience won't work out though! For a new first time author I would say this book is a solid 7/10!
Mistakes happen, especially on a first run without the money of a major publishing house behind you. You should be proud that you got your work out there, mistakes and all; most writers never do.
The horrible thing is, at least for continuity errors, traditional publishing isn't much better. I found a massive continuity error on the first page of my book that my editor at Tor, the copyeditors, and all my readers didn't notice
Danial who's that new goblin? He looks familiar!
I think it's Dave
I’ve read professionally published books with similar editing mistakes made. Those happen sometimes.
There is a horrible misspelling of "bureaucracy" in Red Rising.
@@alexmarkadonis7179 Personally, I will never forgive "swimmed" in a RedWall book.
It happens to everyone. Even if someone's job is to proofread, their attention can't be 100% focused at all times. Especially with mistakes that your eyes gloss over, like some extra or missing letters. I don't read much self-published since it doesn't often find it's way to libraries, but I've found plenty of typos in books over the years by professionnal publications. It happens, we're all human! And names are the easiest to bungle because programs don't necessarily pick them out from the other proper names.
@@oilikaekoile I am not sure, but it is possible some grammarians and philologists accept(ed) "swimmed". I prefer "swam", myself.
Hey man. Respect for writing the book, sennding it int the world and this video. Good luck!
I definitely found new booktubers because you RT their reviews that I still watch
I mean, there was that moment in Towers of Midnight where Faile and Perrin are talking from Faile's POV and Sando abruptly shifts to Perrin's POV midstream for an epiphany for a whole ass paragraph and literally no one caught that during the proofreading process. It was so jarring that I have a flashbulbs memory of the moment I read it waiting for my class on Screenwriting to start.
That is to say, it happens to the best of 'em
Daniel laughing at himself at the start is literally *laughs in disappoint* in video form 😂
I actually stopped taking review copies because I was cyber stalked (beyond my blog into my personal/work internet presence) by an author. So, I do strongly believe in reviewer space because that was a horrible experience. The irony is that the book in question was a children's book about bulling - seriously.
Didn't even notice, brother! I think your book is head and shoulders above the AuthorTuber books out there. The bets part of that is that you're a BookTuber. Well done. I loved it and can't wait for the next one.
I think your stance is absolutely reasonable. While I can understand people not liking huge author criticizing small reviewer, stopping all conversation between authors and reviewers robs us of soooo many interesting perspectives.
Mr. Green I enjoyed your first book. I look forward to joining you on your journey to becoming a famous author. It’s cool to see the behind the scenes with all the success and failures. Your smart and I can’t wait to see where you and your Chanel go from here.
I’m really excited to hear you are going to add more of “your voice” in book two! I really enjoyed the first book but my main complaint was the dialogue felt like tropes from old 80’s police dramas and a little out of place.
One of the things I like about Daniel is how natural he is.
I had the same thoughts after reading. It's very obvious that you understand how a good story is written, you have an entire channel dedicated to discussing fantasy, but it also felt like either due to it being a novella or your first attempt that there wasn't a lot of you put into the book. But that also just made me more excited to read whatever you'll write next because I thought you had an interesting setting, just need some time to find your voice and how to express it. Just some thoughts from a reader!
Good timing! I just received my copy in Canada after pre-ordering the day it was announced. Congrats on self-publishing, mistakes and all!
I really appreciate this kind of videos you've made. We learn from mistakes and from others' mistakes, too, and it's really helpful! I'm at my outlining and worldbuilding stage with my first book, and i'm not even native in english (i find my first language very complicated in writing and i think better when i think in english), and these things are really good things to know. Thanks a lot, Lord Goblin.
Thank you for these nuggets of information. Self publishing can seem an impossible wall to climb when the info is so spread out. This will help a lot of people.
I like that you got permission and promote spaces for civil discussion. Anything less to me feels like bullying and reminiscent of the toxic side of cancel culture. Good on you.
I like how the Self Publishing is Pain video ended with "so you worry if something went wrong and you didn't catch it..."
Well.
Your final point about voice I definitely think was the "big" problem, so well done for noticing that. The little typos and miscounts are not, I think, very important to anyone who is not hopelessly nitpicky
If it's any consolation, Terry Pratchett makes a similar mistake in Night Watch. In one scene where Vimes & co storm the Cable Street Watch House, they trap the torturer in his own torture chair. mentioning that this guy is naked to the waist. Then on the next page, as the action moves forwarrd, the torturturer strapped into his own torture chair is.... wearing a white shirt. Oopsie!
To be honest, I loved this novella so much and was so invested in the characters and the action, I never noticed that mistake. Though I prefer the name Wilkins to Witter... in England, 'witter' means 'meaningless chat (n)' or 'to talk a load of meaningless rubbish (v)' . Wilkins sounds a lot more steampunk-appropriate :)
Always bracket your [[Placeholder Names]]. Replace All is like a trip at sea. Always perilous, but far more pleasant if you know it’s coming.
These things happen chap. Even to the pro publishers. I remember some weirdness in one of the early editions for a wheel of time book. For some reason there was a square bracket in the middle of a word. And there have been numerous punctuation errors in books over the years, spelling mistakes etc. As to characters, as much as I love Pratchett, Wilikins is a completely different man at the end compared to when we first meet him. No mention of tattoos and street fighting in guards guards. I think the Wilikins at the start would have a hernia over the back story he was given later. But I still love him. Don't kick yourself, we still good man.
The laugh in the beginning sketch is actually Daniel's perfectionist side dieing on the inside
I really appreciate how you're willing to address how you've mishandled things in the past and willing to make your intentions clear. It's refreshing and makes me respect you a lot.
One trick I've found is to get a test copy and read it backward--last page to first. That helps to avoid getting caught up in the story.
I like that you can make mistakes and still sell more books than you need to be a full-time author
There's a power imbalance between authors and reviewers. Authors responding to a negative review have been proved to spark hordes of their most passionate fans to go after the reviewer. It has happened several times. What is the point of a review? It is for readers to let other readers know their opinion. It's not feedback for authors. Of course, authors can respond if a reviewer is grossly misinterpreting the text in a harmful way, but for the most part, they shouldn't respond at all.
I think there's an argument to be made that this effect goes both ways. Case in point with this situation around BoP. After seeing a review, people formed opinions and made assumptions about the author. There is always a power imbalance when people have a following online, but that's not exclusive to authors. There are quite a few reviewers on RUclips that probably have more of a following than the authors of most of the books they review. I think it's healthier to say that people with large audiences need to be mindful of what they say rather than saying that authors specifically shouldn't speak to reviewers online.
@@Slink1701 it’s not that they shouldn’t speak to reviewers but rather that they shouldn’t respond to reviews. Reviews are not a conversation with the author or feedback - they are meant for other readers.
@@keriant but he asked permission to do it and they said yes🤷♀️
@@sjokkoladehjerte Of course, I'm not saying he did something wrong. But replying to a friend isn't the same thing as answering to other reviewers (who may or may not have a big platform or do it for a living).
Chill Deep Dives sure, but that's what im saying; even if they are not his friend, he asked for permission to respond and or feature them as a smaller creators (even if they didn't like the book), but didn't if they didn't want him to.
It's okay Daniel, I didn't notice the mistake you mentioned in the intro. You good
Just saw a reference to "Thorn" the gleeman in Winter's Heart. Even WOT has some mistakes
I didn’t know you are dyslexic. I am also dyslexic and currently writing a series of books. I had many doubts about myself due to my learning disability. It’s encouraging that a dyslexic wrote a book!
I see mistakes in grammar and typos in even books from big publishing companies. Don’t sweat it, no one’s perfect and imperfection is beautiful. Keep creating and doing what you love! ✌️
It was a learning experience and now you can just build from there. It's all good. 😊 Hopefully my copy will come in soon.
I remember the first video I watched from you where when you interviewed Brent Weeks one year ago and told him that you quit your job to be a first time RUclipsr, so happy to see your success Daniel! Lots of hard work behind it and it's great to see the growth
I liked how you wrote it, I took the less (I guess feel of you) in it to be a choice you made. To me it felt like a Sherlock Holmes inspired way of writing, and I know you love those stories, so I thought you did great with it.
I was wrong however with all that, but still, great job! I loved it and can’t wait for more.
I didn’t notice these mistakes and I am pretty good at spotting them. Must have been in the zone. Thanks for allowing me to review a copy of this. The video really helped my channel.
Just purchased the Audio book! Can't wait to listen to Michael and Kate bring their flair to your awesome book.
Also, did anybody else notice a "Breach of Peace" released on audible by a Daniel Gibbs last year? I was so confused for a second 🤣
As someone who is planning to eventually publish a book, this has been very informative.
The amount of devil horn hand gestures tapping the table in this video was hypnotic! Wonderful insight as always, really appreciate this self pub series
Daniel, big fan, mostly keep to myself but I wanted to say I appreciate the time, energy, and clarity that you bring to the table when discussing the self-published space. I wanted to reach out and let you know as I read the e-book that I spotted a continuity error or two involving Chapman and Samuel but I hate the thought of blasting it out in case it's something you've already been made aware of.
I was expecting chair Daniel to disappear at the start and only have doorway Daniel left talking to himself.
Welcome to the wonderful world of being an author with all the glorious fun of missed typos, second guessing, and people who take issue. Congratulations, you are one of us.
I noticed the place holder name mistake straight away, I was like .. wait what. And went back. BUT I carried on reading and didn't think about it again. Did not negatively effect my reading experience at all Dan! 😊
It seems like one one the advantages of self publishing is managing your own schedule.
I want to buy your book Daniel. Wanna make a review for it. I wanna make as objective as possible. So, hopes are up ! You re a great booktuber , been watching you for two years hope you keep writing ! You are one of the best fantasy fans of all time ! I hope i can be a part of your community ! Love ya all!
One of the Daniels in these skits always has this certain voice that I have come to recognize. It’s: something went wrong and I’m judging you 🤣🤣.
I really appreciate your perspective and I find your attitude welcoming and constructive.
As a producer of content, I get it and I want to engage sometimes. It's about good faith for me. Audience participation is an amazing thing. I want to hear constructive feedback and ask clarifying and probing questions.
As far as when is it appropriate to engage with the audience? I don't know that there's any established lines anymore, in the Twitter verse hellscape of today. Sure there's barriers and issues of intended use of particular spaces, but I take that all as a matter of taste.
Do you. Live and learn. The fact that you're involved and responding here and elsewhere, I see as only a positive.
In general, people who participate in drama are people looking to participate in drama. So I think a good policy is to just let them be dramatic.
Just woke up. First laugh of the day. Thank you Daniel.
I totally understand getting the audio book recorded as fast as possible, excitement about the can be intoxicating and it was your first book. I still fall for it with releases on my label where I wanna get things out before they are maybe 120% ready and proofed. As for the reviewer space discussion, I only learned of it when it spilled over into the Steven Erikson sideshow and affected us there, then it took me a while to realize that it was connected to Breach of Peace. To be clear: I was really happy when you commented on my review video and I would totally open the boardgame store with you.
man, it's no biggie, I didn't even notice, typos and stuff happen in every book, no matter how many editors there are. I've seen stuff like these bazillions of times in all kinds of books. your book was excellent, the audiobook was excellent, first-class production all the way through. feel proud
I didn't notice anything when I read your book, but self-publishing is hard when you are on your own.
This is "Threat Level Midnight" all over again!
Hey, you covered a bit about lots of moving pieces. As you were talking it sounded a lot like problems that come up in projects throughout the business world. It might be an idea to use Gantt charts to help the scheduling and budgets of the publishing process. Possibly this doesn’t give enough flexibility and probably won’t be for everyone but it might be helpful? Anyhow thanks for the content as always!
Hey Daniel I just finished Breach of Peace OMFG it was brilliant. I can't wait for more as I have so many questions. Will you be documenting your progress with those books too and when can we expect the next installment? Love you and your content. Stay safe.
Remember, even the great Stan Lee called Spiderman 'Peter Palmer'. I make sure any placeholders are obvious. Usually all caps surrounded by square brackets.
And yeah, I look at my first novel, and there are many mistakes. Not just grammar, but structurally as well. It is something I have got better at over the years, but I don't have enough money to hire editors and proofreaders, so I have to take extra care over it.
This is my ideal educational environment
While it never got published, I changed my main characters name on my third novel about halfway through the manuscript without realizing it. And it wasn't because they were similar. Her name somehow went from Alicia to Jessica. And I didn't notice until I was making notes for my second draft.
You could make it into an in-universe joke, like “Inspector Wilkins” is a comical slapstick character from a play so it’s an insult.