My power problem was that dang bolt stop under the gas pedal. When they assembled it and delivered it top speed was 13mph. I hunted, asked a lot of questions and discovered when i screwed the bolt all the way down I immediately achieved full power. 25 MPH. If it maxed out at only 13 I was going to return it asap! Occams Razor! ❤️ Great Channel! Thank you.
Josh, There is an oil tank under the passenger seat for the HST. Which feeds the 2 filters you replaced. The one under the tip bed is gear box oil only.
Your knowledge, experience .are invaluable. I am working on a battle scarred, 1100c 3740hrs.. Maintenanced...possibly. Lol. Maintain them and it appears it can roll till it eota away. Thanks again.
Add a little of power service kleen gray bottle to fuel tank to help clean injectors and improve combustion of fuel all my diesel engines love it and in winter use the white bottle for cold starts
Thanks! Bought my 2020 x1140 used. Not sure yet why but I get 38mph . I did notice the stop bolt behind the accelerator pedal was bent out of the way. Not sure if that is why but good luck. Thanks
I work on a military base in alabama and we've probably got 300 kabota diesels and all have over 1000 hours. I service them and I'll tell you they are so much more reliable than the Kawasakis than we run. Most problems we see are broken mufflers and brackets and park brake levers. Love those things. The one thing I saw you didn't check your hydro tank under the pass seat usually after the hydro filter change crank it and check the hydro tank it's usually a little low.
thanks for the info, we have one here on the farm that is doing something similar. i think part of the issue is the fuel filter. now i know something else i should do to help. Thanks.
Just a little add to your test method. We have an 1100 C diesel. My manual says to run in low gear till machine warms up. When operating ease on the throttle rather than to the floor. Also it's starts to bog let off the throttle till you hear it catch up and equalize and resume pressing the throttle. Kubota says the hydrostatic trans can gulp to much oil causing a momentary loss of power. It's counter intuitive at first but it's easy once you learn it it becomes second nature . We've had this machine about 6 years now and we love it it's as tough and rough as cattle farming. Little trouble with belt squeak and fuel filter needs replacing regularly ( this is where we tend to lose power when dirty) Overall no complaints best thing we ever bought for the farm .
Good video. In the old days when we (law enforcement) used revolvers, Smith and Wesson taught us that if a wheel gun locked up, hit the frame with a rubber mallet. It would realign the levers inside. If it didn't work then you go inside the frame. Even after retirement, a small rubber mallet is still in my gun room tool box.
My 91 Bobcat skid steer has a spark arrester in the muffler. It helps stop sparks from coming out of the muffler that could start a fire in dry conditions.
I cut the end off the muffler on my Arctic Cat Diesel ARV and completely gutted it, welded on a large tip, rewelded the end back on and sounds and runs better, Couldn't believe how restrictive the muffler was.
I had a problem with my STIHL FS 240 R weedeater being severely underpowered. It was the same thing with a spark arrester being plugged. I just had to inscrew it, take out the filter part, then heat it red hot with a torch to burn off the soot.
I had the same problem with a rs 56 ,but I didn't have a torch handy so I soaked it in gas and used a nylon brush, it probably took longer but it worked!
Not sure if anyone said this already, but when you just change the filters normally you won't loose any fluid in the hydro. You need to check the fluid in the dump box reservoir. It is separate from the hydro dip stick and has its own dipstick. It will go down when you change the filters and can make it act very funny if not full.
I know this is way different than the problem that I had with a weed eater and I cleaned the spark arrestor and it ran like it did when it was new, one good thing it wasn't anything major nice video!
If its possible I always pressure wash equipment before maintaining it. That keeps dirt out of where it doesn't belong. Thanks for presenting the socket set, may have to get a couple.
I see a lot of folks want to remove the arrestor. In the old days, or colder running equipment maybe, but newer stuff runs right at/near its heat limits. They get hot. I'm no physicist, but simple math says keep arrestor. (Middle of summer) + (tall dry grass) x (hot exhaust sparks) = Avoidable Excitement Arrestors are common. Usually they have a 'plug' on the bottom of the muffler. You block off tail pipe, remove plug, rev it, bang it evenly around, crap (flakes/soot/etc) drops out. Many a muffler has been replaced or 'other', when all they needed was cleaned. btw Josh, 3-4mph addition stating at 12ish 25 to 30%. I'd say that's pretty spectacular.
Alright Josh, you got me. I didn't even read the manual 🤣. I was just thinking the same thing about my RTV the other day and I haven't done this item as long as I've owned it. Thanks for the video and info!
Look at intimidator side by sides! Made in Arkansas ! Also mahindra side by side are actually made by intimidator. We had a Kubota, in Rockingham county. No matter what I did it just did not like our hills. Didn’t know about this trick though
Good ol' Hammer eh. 🔨 When I owned my Jeep I had to carry a hammer with me for a few weeks, Starter was going. Some of the looks I'd get were priceless 😂 ✌💛🇨🇦
I have a camo 1100 rtv that we use for the farm and absolutely beat the thing. We took the back rack off because it got bent, front bumperbis absolutely trashed, hood will end up flying off.... cut out the muffler/arrestor.... rolls coal but has a tiny bit more power. Has lasted a long time and hopefully it'll last another couple years
Did you know you can get a hand throttle to keep those rpm’s up and ready for action. Any time you run at lower rpm’s with those filters you will get more residue build up keep it running high Kubota diesels love it
Working with Diesel Engine Product Development for one of the major auto OEM's - A diesel engines main functioning factor is breathing. Good intake air flow and equally good exhaust flow. What you did was required as small D engines dont have the complexity or the added functional costs of a regen burn system. Thats why what you did was a "poor mans regen". You may want to consider removing that particulate can and really give a good thorough interrnal cleaning by banging all the way around that can or gut it altogether. OEM's are required to have those installed but you are NOT required to keep them. Depending on the rest of the exhaust design, It may alter the decibles slightly but should not make it obnoxiously loud if you do gut it. But the even greater power gains and never having to worry about your engine being choked out in the future may be worth it.
Yep. Something is seriously wrong with that thing. I got 25mph on level ground also. I got tired of the sluggishness, hydro whine , noise and rough ride. Sold it and bought a Can Am Defender. Super quiet, great ride and 65mph.
I always use a paint pen and write the date and hours on the filter ends for reference. My muffler broke off so I changed the whole thing but I've seen the spark arrestor trick before.
I have the same machine and wouldn't have known to do this. I do see it on the maintenance recs. Good looking out! A lot of complaints about general sluggishness of this machine and I guess there are mods out there. Top speed is supposed to be 25, but I've only had it go to about 15 without pushing it further. Agree that the 8-12 MPH or so for farm use is about the average in my (VA) similar to your rolling terrain.
I had a Kubota RTV, it worked good but it was very heavy, not great on muddy ground and if you needed to shift from forward to reverse in mud it was almost impossible.
Josh, you are over tightening those filters, Hand tighten then turn a quarter turn by hand. I hope you lubed that yellow filter gasket, didn't see you do that. BFH is the all purpose special tool, right up there with the Gas Axe.
I have the 1100x It’s a slug.. it has about 80 hrs on it and it will barely hit 12 mph up a slight grade I’m gonna try this. If it makes a little bit of difference I’m gonna guy the muffler. Thanks
Take it back to your dealer and have them fix the HST, there's a service bulletin regarding sluggish HST's in these units. The hydro pressures need to be adjusted. Also RTV's are very sensitive to inclines, put in low range when needed.
As soon as you mentioned your problem, I knew that was probably the culprit. Even gasoline/ two stroke and 4 stroke engines in side by sides, ATVs etc.. need that service over time. You are supose to remove the bottom screw and have someone cover the exhaust tip to stop flow from the exhaust pipe and rev it for a few revs and then release the towel blocking the tail pipe. do that 5 - 6 times.( the reason you remove the screws is to give the exhaust a place to escape) . you can also remove some of the tips on some models and clean it that way. Its pretty much like a metal internal baffle that gets clogged. Hope that makes sense Also try some Amsoil Diesel additive ( it boosts the Cetane) AND has a fuel system cleaner (4 in one fuel additive)
I would leave they bolt out that holds the spark arrested out for awhile so it can bang around inside longer knock some more carbon out. How many hours does Kubota say to do that maintenance at?
I have owned one for five years and would not trade it for anything. Built like a tank and will be in service long after the gas powered buggies are in the junk yard.
What cetane number is the diesel fuel you use? Kubota, John Deere and most other manufactures require a minimum of 45 cetane on the new engines. The diesel fuel at the gas station or delivered is usually rated 40 cetane. Definition from Google ( Use a diesel fuel with too low of a rating, and the engine is going to run more roughly and without adequate power. Inadequate diesel fuel cetane rating means the diesel fuel isn't going to combust quickly enough in that engine.)
I’m in the market for a UTV… I’d love a Front PTO that can mow… I have a Ventrac 4500z 2021 that just doesn’t fit our homestead due to attachment cost… Have you seen the Kubota with the front PTO?
i love it when people don't read the owners manual the hydraulic fluid tank is under the passenger seat if its low you will lose speed and power.. that thing should do about 25mph in high range. the yellow stick is transmission fluid not hydraulic. even though there the same fluid.
click the link to my amazon page..you'll find it at the top of the list or Gemplers.com....click show more in the video description below the video...there's a bunch of stuff down there buddy
You know what they say...When in doubt, get a bigger hammer.
Maybe a 20 pounds sledgehammer should help
My power problem was that dang bolt stop under the gas pedal. When they assembled it and delivered it top speed was 13mph. I hunted, asked a lot of questions and discovered when i screwed the bolt all the way down I immediately achieved full power. 25 MPH. If it maxed out at only 13 I was going to return it asap! Occams Razor! ❤️ Great Channel! Thank you.
Hands down the best channel on RUclips. No politics no drama just awesome information from someone leading an inspiring life.
thanks buddy
Josh,
There is an oil tank under the passenger seat for the HST. Which feeds the 2 filters you replaced.
The one under the tip bed is gear box oil only.
Your knowledge, experience .are invaluable.
I am working on a battle scarred, 1100c 3740hrs..
Maintenanced...possibly. Lol.
Maintain them and it appears it can roll till it eota away. Thanks again.
I have the same Kubota RTV with only 67 hours that I bought used. Thanks for the spark arrestor maintenance lesson.
Getting my RTV in a few weeks!
Add a little of power service kleen gray bottle to fuel tank to help clean injectors and improve combustion of fuel all my diesel engines love it and in winter use the white bottle for cold starts
Joe
Hello hope you are doing great
Thanks! Bought my 2020 x1140 used. Not sure yet why but I get 38mph . I did notice the stop bolt behind the accelerator pedal was bent out of the way. Not sure if that is why but good luck. Thanks
dang....not that's interesting!
I work on a military base in alabama and we've probably got 300 kabota diesels and all have over 1000 hours. I service them and I'll tell you they are so much more reliable than the Kawasakis than we run. Most problems we see are broken mufflers and brackets and park brake levers. Love those things. The one thing I saw you didn't check your hydro tank under the pass seat usually after the hydro filter change crank it and check the hydro tank it's usually a little low.
thanks for the info, we have one here on the farm that is doing something similar. i think part of the issue is the fuel filter. now i know something else i should do to help. Thanks.
Just a little add to your test method. We have an 1100 C diesel.
My manual says to run in low gear till machine warms up.
When operating ease on the throttle rather than to the floor. Also it's starts to bog let off the throttle till you hear it catch up and equalize and resume pressing the throttle.
Kubota says the hydrostatic trans can gulp to much oil causing a momentary loss of power. It's counter intuitive at first but it's easy once you learn it it becomes second nature .
We've had this machine about 6 years now and we love it it's as tough and rough as cattle farming. Little trouble with belt squeak and fuel filter needs replacing regularly ( this is where we tend to lose power when dirty)
Overall no complaints best thing we ever bought for the farm .
Always enjoy your videos! I’m also USAF still on active duty. Can’t wait to hopefully enjoy the retired life like this in the not so distant future.
Glad to see another Airman. Can I still say "Airman"? I retired in Apr '12, 20 year medic.
@@joeh4295 Thank you for your service! you never can tell, right. !? Haha I’m ATC and have about 6 left till 20. 🤞🏼
Good video. In the old days when we (law enforcement) used revolvers, Smith and Wesson taught us that if a wheel gun locked up, hit the frame with a rubber mallet. It would realign the levers inside. If it didn't work then you go inside the frame. Even after retirement, a small rubber mallet is still in my gun room tool box.
My 91 Bobcat skid steer has a spark arrester in the muffler. It helps stop sparks from coming out of the muffler that could start a fire in dry conditions.
The best advice I got from this was putting all my oil changing stuff in a tote to keep the stuff clean!! Thank you!!
I cut the end off the muffler on my Arctic Cat Diesel ARV and completely gutted it, welded on a large tip, rewelded the end back on and sounds and runs better, Couldn't believe how restrictive the muffler was.
I’ve got 160hr on my X-1140. Will have to remember this!
I had a problem with my STIHL FS 240 R weedeater being severely underpowered. It was the same thing with a spark arrester being plugged. I just had to inscrew it, take out the filter part, then heat it red hot with a torch to burn off the soot.
I had the same problem with a rs 56 ,but I didn't have a torch handy so I soaked it in gas and used a nylon brush, it probably took longer but it worked!
Check your throttle cable too. They stretch and need adjusting.
Not sure if anyone said this already, but when you just change the filters normally you won't loose any fluid in the hydro. You need to check the fluid in the dump box reservoir. It is separate from the hydro dip stick and has its own dipstick. It will go down when you change the filters and can make it act very funny if not full.
I know this is way different than the problem that I had with a weed eater and I cleaned the spark arrestor and it ran like it did when it was new, one good thing it wasn't anything major nice video!
Same with leaf blowers.....
@@larrypalmer2415 yep
i had trouble with a car one time,it was the converter in the exhaust,punched it out,car ran great afterwards
i was always tought just to tighten the new filter with your hands
Chainsaws have a spark arrestor too, I always removed them after a month or 2 of use.
That is one thing I complement you on is how well you take care of your equipment.
If its possible I always pressure wash equipment before maintaining it. That keeps dirt out of where it doesn't belong. Thanks for presenting the socket set, may have to get a couple.
Amen on the pressure wash...too bad it's too cold for a good pressure washing
That made a big difference good know thanks for sharing take care
I see a lot of folks want to remove the arrestor. In the old days, or colder running equipment maybe, but newer stuff runs right at/near its heat limits. They get hot.
I'm no physicist, but simple math says keep arrestor. (Middle of summer) + (tall dry grass) x (hot exhaust sparks) = Avoidable Excitement
Arrestors are common. Usually they have a 'plug' on the bottom of the muffler. You block off tail pipe, remove plug, rev it, bang it evenly around, crap (flakes/soot/etc) drops out. Many a muffler has been replaced or 'other', when all they needed was cleaned.
btw Josh, 3-4mph addition stating at 12ish 25 to 30%. I'd say that's pretty spectacular.
Same with our CASE MB 4/94...1973 was a long time ago!! LOL!
Alright Josh, you got me. I didn't even read the manual 🤣. I was just thinking the same thing about my RTV the other day and I haven't done this item as long as I've owned it. Thanks for the video and info!
Ours will do 25 in high gear on level pavement. It will do 15 in medium gear. Never had to clean the spark arrestor good to know though.
I have that same Dewalt kit, got it last Christmas. I do like it
🚜 🚜 Josh ,I just got a Kubota 1100c ,great informational video 🚧
Look at intimidator side by sides! Made in Arkansas ! Also mahindra side by side are actually made by intimidator. We had a Kubota, in Rockingham county. No matter what I did it just did not like our hills. Didn’t know about this trick though
+1 on the oil change bin. It's a life saver. It seem simple, but it works.
Hi Josh, if hitting it with a hammer doesn't phycks it then it's an electrical problem LOL I have had baffles in exhaust do that. Thanks for the vids
Good ol' Hammer eh. 🔨
When I owned my Jeep I had to carry a hammer with me for a few weeks, Starter was going.
Some of the looks I'd get were priceless 😂
✌💛🇨🇦
I have a camo 1100 rtv that we use for the farm and absolutely beat the thing. We took the back rack off because it got bent, front bumperbis absolutely trashed, hood will end up flying off.... cut out the muffler/arrestor.... rolls coal but has a tiny bit more power. Has lasted a long time and hopefully it'll last another couple years
Kapper Outdoors has a good video on enriching the fuel flow for more power, especially on the RTV 900's.
Did you know you can get a hand throttle to keep those rpm’s up and ready for action. Any time you run at lower rpm’s with those filters you will get more residue build up keep it running high Kubota diesels love it
yep...but I shouldn't have to fix something that's not performing correctly...I"m still tired of it being so slow
oil change rule - never tighten a filter with a wrench, by hand only, the o-ring/gasket will seal well enough and not come off.
difference in an automotive oil filter and a utv or tractor hydraulic filter my brotha
Hydraulic filters are under pressure, so hand-tight isn't enough. I think.
Working with Diesel Engine Product Development for one of the major auto OEM's - A diesel engines main functioning factor is breathing. Good intake air flow and equally good exhaust flow. What you did was required as small D engines dont have the complexity or the added functional costs of a regen burn system. Thats why what you did was a "poor mans regen". You may want to consider removing that particulate can and really give a good thorough interrnal cleaning by banging all the way around that can or gut it altogether. OEM's are required to have those installed but you are NOT required to keep them. Depending on the rest of the exhaust design, It may alter the decibles slightly but should not make it obnoxiously loud if you do gut it. But the even greater power gains and never having to worry about your engine being choked out in the future may be worth it.
But the hillbilly method works so well buddy!!! Love how you always keep a smile on. Thank you.
Josh, I still get 25mph on level ground with 160hr.
Yep. Something is seriously wrong with that thing. I got 25mph on level ground also. I got tired of the sluggishness, hydro whine , noise and rough ride. Sold it and bought a Can Am Defender. Super quiet, great ride and 65mph.
I always use a paint pen and write the date and hours on the filter ends for reference. My muffler broke off so I changed the whole thing but I've seen the spark arrestor trick before.
Write all you did underneath the tray.
I have the same machine and wouldn't have known to do this. I do see it on the maintenance recs. Good looking out! A lot of complaints about general sluggishness of this machine and I guess there are mods out there. Top speed is supposed to be 25, but I've only had it go to about 15 without pushing it further. Agree that the 8-12 MPH or so for farm use is about the average in my (VA) similar to your rolling terrain.
Mallory
Hello hope you are doing great
Check the limiter bolt under the gas pedal. If it’s adjusted too high it limits speed. I screwed mine all the way in and went from 13-25 mph.
Adjust fuel pump for more fuel delivery.
Neighbor I used to work for has RTV 1100, most I got out of it on the road was 28mph. He also had a 6x4 diesel gator and it would do 25.
So while he thought you were out in the fields workin you were doin Drag race testing. LoL “Neighbor I used to work for”.
Hi..... Thank you 🎥👍👍👍
You might want to recheck your hydraulic fluid after you run it as the filters need to fill
I had a Kubota RTV, it worked good but it was very heavy, not great on muddy ground and if you needed to shift from forward to reverse in mud it was almost impossible.
First thing I do is throw away spark arresters if it’s equipped.
Hey Josh thank you for the video I enjoyed it
I mean straight piping it would also fix the problem 🤷🏼♂️
I mean not really you got to add a better intake more fuel then do straight pipe
Great video stoneyman love watching buddy
Love the warning sticker!
Archoil 6200 in the fuel kicks them in the rear. I tried it at work, it really gives them a kick.
Thanks for the video- got the same Kubota delivered last week. Will you be putting the LED bar on it soon? Looking forward to seeing that video.
Reed
Hello hope you are doing great
You will be lucky to get 26 down hill ,
16 up hill after all that work . It needs to be done.👍👍👍
Please recheck hydraulic fluid level! Filters were dry! Thanks 🙏
Glass pack! Keep cranking out the good stuff!
Josh, you are over tightening those filters, Hand tighten then turn a quarter turn by hand. I hope you lubed that yellow filter gasket, didn't see you do that. BFH is the all purpose special tool, right up there with the Gas Axe.
Yankee ingenuity. Sometimes giving it a good smack solves the problem. Learned that in the army.
Wich is the best for heavy farm work??? Torque, clerance, 4wd, block diferentials?
I'm using a Honda Pioneer 1000-6 now and I like it much better ....still have this kubota but the honda has the best of all worlds in my opinion
I've always had old honda fourwheelers so I've been hammering mufflers for a while.
I have the 1100x
It’s a slug.. it has about 80 hrs on it and it will barely hit 12 mph up a slight grade
I’m gonna try this. If it makes a little bit of difference I’m gonna guy the muffler.
Thanks
Adjust for more fuel.
Guess I should clean mine. Good info!
I have a X900 the hydraulic oil tank is under the passenger's seat , the yellow oil stick is trans oil .
That sticker is awesome really gets the point across and funny too
Any machine that can be fixed with a hammer is a great machine 😁
You had any issues with your front muffler mount? Dad's Kubota UTV snapped an ear off of the transmission.
Did you check fluid level after you ran it and the fluid went back into the new filters. You want to pour fluid in the before putting them on.
yep...and yep...the machine is just slow as a snail
Drill a 1" hole in that spark arrestor plate inside the muffler . . .
You couldn’t make that up. LOL. Good stuff.
Take it back to your dealer and have them fix the HST, there's a service bulletin regarding sluggish HST's in these units. The hydro pressures need to be adjusted. Also RTV's are very sensitive to inclines, put in low range when needed.
lol...even slower in low range bhahahha....we're not climbing a mountain …just going up the driveway in most cases
Scott
Hello hope you are doing great
As soon as you mentioned your problem, I knew that was probably the culprit. Even gasoline/ two stroke and 4 stroke engines in side by sides, ATVs etc.. need that service over time.
You are supose to remove the bottom screw and have someone cover the exhaust tip to stop flow from the exhaust pipe and rev it for a few revs and then release the towel blocking the tail pipe. do that 5 - 6 times.( the reason you remove the screws is to give the exhaust a place to escape) . you can also remove some of the tips on some models and clean it that way. Its pretty much like a metal internal baffle that gets clogged.
Hope that makes sense
Also try some Amsoil Diesel additive ( it boosts the Cetane) AND has a fuel system cleaner (4 in one fuel additive)
CFC
I would leave they bolt out that holds the spark arrested out for awhile so it can bang around inside longer knock some more carbon out. How many hours does Kubota say to do that maintenance at?
every 100 hours
Great video! So is the Kubota still the better diesel farm utv?
I have owned one for five years and would not trade it for anything. Built like a tank and will be in service long after the gas powered buggies are in the junk yard.
@@markmarquardt8016I need an upgrade! I'm hoping to get rid of my Trans mule..... it is not farm worthy!
Thanks stoney 🤗
I have the same problem going to be try this , I lose power to about 5 mph
The "BFH" . The big frakin' hammer. Lol
What fell into the drain pan when you lifted the bed?
I got a tdi jetta,they told me that they warm it up to temp,then hold it 3,000 rpms.
thanks for sharing these tips
Would have been nice to know what the Dealer would have charged to perform that same maintenance interval service.
What cetane number is the diesel fuel you use? Kubota, John Deere and most other manufactures require a minimum of 45 cetane on the new engines. The diesel fuel at the gas station or delivered is usually rated 40 cetane. Definition from Google ( Use a diesel fuel with too low of a rating, and the engine is going to run more roughly and without adequate power. Inadequate diesel fuel cetane rating means the diesel fuel isn't going to combust quickly enough in that engine.)
it's not an engine power issue...it's a drivetrain issue that sucks...still super slow and loud to this day!
You can get a 0-60 App for your phone.
Hammer is always the right tool to fix something
I’m in the market for a UTV… I’d love a Front PTO that can mow… I have a Ventrac 4500z 2021 that just doesn’t fit our homestead due to attachment cost…
Have you seen the Kubota with the front PTO?
Filters are way way to tight..
You need to run the Kubota wide open for a few minutes every once in a while to clean arrestor
lol...everytime I ride the rtv it gets ran "wide open" because any hill requires nearly full throttle
Josh, check the hydro oil level under the passenger seat. That's where your losing fluid if you change those filters
So true...
On a farm you can never have too many tools
🏆🏆🏆👍🙏
Thank you for sharing
😆 rubber hammer why not...
Have a good day ❄❄❄
I love your channel brother thank you
i love it when people don't read the owners manual the hydraulic fluid tank is under the passenger seat if its low you will lose speed and power.. that thing should do about 25mph in high range. the yellow stick is transmission fluid not hydraulic. even though there the same fluid.
That's a nice Stanley rebranded tool kit.
do you have trouble with cayotes?
not really bad....foxes
Where is the link to the dewalt socket set you showed in the video?
click the link to my amazon page..you'll find it at the top of the list or Gemplers.com....click show more in the video description below the video...there's a bunch of stuff down there buddy
A bit of copper coat, antiseize on the plug will help to get it out next time. The copper coat will take the high temps better.
That set up seems silly to me. Hard to believe that would make that much difference. But I guess it did. Thanks for the information,.
The Navy way, if it don't fit get a hammer,if it still don't fit get a bigger hammer!