That´s a good idea! Luckily it worked out even without any lubricant. I am so glad to have all the cables underground, this was a big step in the right direction!
A massive job well done. When you're done, you will have a railway that'll be the envy of the neighbourhood. Thanks for sharing. Greetings from Sweden 🇸🇪.
Thank you! That might be right but there is an opponent. My friend lives only 80m away and he has a well established, very big and neatly build layout in his garden. There is no competition between us but he set the bar pretty high in our neighborhood.
Yes, the track inspectors where hard at work at this project. They had to inspect a lot of different wires and how we put them underground. When it comes to inspections they are very picky, I can tell you!
Yes! A video from summit railway. Definitely the summit of my week ;-) Pulling good wires now means less hair pulling later ;-) Regarding the coil current sensors I had mitigated results in DCC H0 layout when reading them from an Arduino; despite making several loops rather than just passing a single time through the coil. Could be my code too as I had no oscilloscope to check... The output signal was weak and unstable. Currents are very small in H0. And I think there are several versions of these coil-based current detectors. The ones having small electronics "digital" ones are better (I think there is an amplifier and maybe some filter / trigger). Alas the ones i had were not that type. I think DCC Concepts have some that work well. I did not try. There are also Hall effect sensors but I did not play with them. I guess sensitivity matters here as the measured voltages proportional to the currents are low. I would definitely try different engines, different speeds... And length of the wires running close to each other may bring some surprises... Induced currents and electromagnetic perturbations. I will be interested to see how things will work and the devices you will use. The question will also be I guess what command system you put between the rails, the sensors and the signals. I heard about DCC EX ++. Never tried. You have some Massoth command system, no?
Hi! What a comment of yours, wow. "Pulling good wires now means less hair pulling later" - I agree 100%! I have done this mistake on a layout which is still in operation and up to this day we have nothing but problems with cheap wires. This time I am spending a lot of money for all sorts of good quality cables and I know I am doing myself a favour. In contrast to H0 scale I have way more current to work with in G scale which makes the coil current sensor more likely to work properly. A friend of mine designes and builds those sensors as well as the secondary circuit boards which will translate the signal to loco net. He states that he is able to adjust them properly so that they won´t give a false reading. We will see... You are not the only one who is curious, I can tell you that :) Regarding the command system I will use a secondary central station which is capable of loco net protocoll. For example the roco z21. My massoth central station is for track power only. All the signal box electrics will run of of the secondary system. I guess we will learn togehter. Thank´s for your comment and the support!
Thank you! My track inspectors like to keep a close eye when I do such important infrastructure work. They are doing a good job but are sometimes a bit to close. But like in the real world, inspectors don´t like to back off.
That´s great! Yes, the track inspector was very curious indeed. He had to step away a little bit to not disturb the workflow. We have 6 of those inspectors but for such a large project we need them all to keep track of the work...
I see that they have a good spike out the bottom to make them stable. Are you concerned about accidentally bumping one? I'm sure they're not inexpensive. I hope to add signals to mine, and hoping it will be high enough off the ground that no one, or animals will be walking around where they could trip on one. Perhaps you could train the chickens to keep watch on the railway. ;-) Here we have squirrels and raccoons which move around the yard at night. It's really great to see the progress.... your work is inspiring. ;-) Re control, many people use STP, or Traincontroller, or ESTWGJ. I haven't tried them yet.
The signals are plenty strong to be installed in the garden. The biggest danger does not come from animals, it is us humans stepping around in the layout. You have to be very careful when moving around. I try to set up my layout so that no one has to step into the layout when operating the trains. Maintenance is a whole other story... But it works, this concept is porven to me for many years on several different layouts so I am not concerned. The chickens are already trained to be my track inspectors. They are very picky when it comes to operational safety. I have to constantly fix some issues along the railway line. Concerning the singnal box I am currently doing my reserch. ESTWGJ is one of my top 3 solutions. But I am not sure if I will use this software just yet, we will see...
Das ist richtig. Ich habe im Vorfeld mehrfach nachgerechnet wie viel ich an Kabeln bestellen muss weil ich mir sicher war das mein Ergebnis falsch ist. Am Ende musste ich sogar noch einmal nach bestellen weil es nicht gereicht hat ... Wahnsinn...
Some amount of wiring!. Still it could be worse, imagine trying to remember where everything is at Miniatur Wunderland in Hamburg. 😄I hope to visit there some day , it is a fantastic project. You will have a good version of it when you are finished. but in a larger scale. I am just curious if you will experience any voltage drop on the track further away from the main supply board when you run several trains?. You may have mentioned it in an earlier video.
Hi! The Miniatur Wunderland is at another level. I have been there 3 times as of today but I will be back for sure, it is just amazing! I really can encurage you to go there if you have the ability to. Now to your question ... At only 24V and a cable length of at least 50m (164ft) to the furthest point of the layout it is very important to have the right gauge wire. Otherwise you will experience a significant voltage drop and you might have problems like your loco won´t react to your control imputs. I am using 6 mm2 cable from the main supply board to the tracks to counteract this problem. This should be more than sufficient!
All the locomotives will be powered through the track, even if they have a pantograph. They run at 24V DC but since the central station does mudulate control commands onto the DC current it is not a clean DC current... anyways, I won´t install overhead lines on my layout. They are way to fragile and to much of a headache to maintain. Not to mention the horrendous cost to buy and install all that stuff. Furthermore I have got several crossings on my layout which are used by real humans and garbage cans so this is another reason why not to install overhead lines. Although I have to admit it would look good!
The detection itself is measured by the current in the main track feed of the relevant section. This is detected by a coil which sends it´s information to a secondary circuit board. This circuit bord will translate the information to a loco net feed which will be comunicating with the yet to be determined signal box software.
To help with the running of the wires you could squirt some dish soap into the conduit. It will allow the wires will pull through easier. 👍❤️📹😃
That´s a good idea! Luckily it worked out even without any lubricant. I am so glad to have all the cables underground, this was a big step in the right direction!
A massive job well done. When you're done, you will have a railway that'll be the envy of the neighbourhood. Thanks for sharing. Greetings from Sweden 🇸🇪.
Thank you! That might be right but there is an opponent. My friend lives only 80m away and he has a well established, very big and neatly build layout in his garden. There is no competition between us but he set the bar pretty high in our neighborhood.
I love the chickens! Very helpful creatures 😂
Yes, the track inspectors where hard at work at this project. They had to inspect a lot of different wires and how we put them underground. When it comes to inspections they are very picky, I can tell you!
Yes! A video from summit railway. Definitely the summit of my week ;-) Pulling good wires now means less hair pulling later ;-) Regarding the coil current sensors I had mitigated results in DCC H0 layout when reading them from an Arduino; despite making several loops rather than just passing a single time through the coil. Could be my code too as I had no oscilloscope to check... The output signal was weak and unstable. Currents are very small in H0. And I think there are several versions of these coil-based current detectors. The ones having small electronics "digital" ones are better (I think there is an amplifier and maybe some filter / trigger). Alas the ones i had were not that type. I think DCC Concepts have some that work well. I did not try. There are also Hall effect sensors but I did not play with them. I guess sensitivity matters here as the measured voltages proportional to the currents are low. I would definitely try different engines, different speeds... And length of the wires running close to each other may bring some surprises... Induced currents and electromagnetic perturbations. I will be interested to see how things will work and the devices you will use. The question will also be I guess what command system you put between the rails, the sensors and the signals. I heard about DCC EX ++. Never tried. You have some Massoth command system, no?
Hi! What a comment of yours, wow. "Pulling good wires now means less hair pulling later" - I agree 100%! I have done this mistake on a layout which is still in operation and up to this day we have nothing but problems with cheap wires. This time I am spending a lot of money for all sorts of good quality cables and I know I am doing myself a favour. In contrast to H0 scale I have way more current to work with in G scale which makes the coil current sensor more likely to work properly. A friend of mine designes and builds those sensors as well as the secondary circuit boards which will translate the signal to loco net. He states that he is able to adjust them properly so that they won´t give a false reading. We will see... You are not the only one who is curious, I can tell you that :) Regarding the command system I will use a secondary central station which is capable of loco net protocoll. For example the roco z21. My massoth central station is for track power only. All the signal box electrics will run of of the secondary system. I guess we will learn togehter. Thank´s for your comment and the support!
Great video. Thanks for sharing. Liked and Subbed! Cheers, Andy
Good to hear form you. I am happy that you enjoyed my video. Welcome on board Andy!
Good work and funny whit all this birds😀🦃
Thank you! My track inspectors like to keep a close eye when I do such important infrastructure work. They are doing a good job but are sometimes a bit to close. But like in the real world, inspectors don´t like to back off.
Really enjoying this series! 14:03 the foreman appears to check progress. 😂
That´s great! Yes, the track inspector was very curious indeed. He had to step away a little bit to not disturb the workflow. We have 6 of those inspectors but for such a large project we need them all to keep track of the work...
I see that they have a good spike out the bottom to make them stable. Are you concerned about accidentally bumping one? I'm sure they're not inexpensive. I hope to add signals to mine, and hoping it will be high enough off the ground that no one, or animals will be walking around where they could trip on one.
Perhaps you could train the chickens to keep watch on the railway. ;-)
Here we have squirrels and raccoons which move around the yard at night.
It's really great to see the progress.... your work is inspiring. ;-)
Re control, many people use STP, or Traincontroller, or ESTWGJ. I haven't tried them yet.
The signals are plenty strong to be installed in the garden. The biggest danger does not come from animals, it is us humans stepping around in the layout. You have to be very careful when moving around. I try to set up my layout so that no one has to step into the layout when operating the trains. Maintenance is a whole other story... But it works, this concept is porven to me for many years on several different layouts so I am not concerned. The chickens are already trained to be my track inspectors. They are very picky when it comes to operational safety. I have to constantly fix some issues along the railway line. Concerning the singnal box I am currently doing my reserch. ESTWGJ is one of my top 3 solutions. But I am not sure if I will use this software just yet, we will see...
MEGA! Krass immer wieder wieviel mal für so "wenig" braucht....
Das ist richtig. Ich habe im Vorfeld mehrfach nachgerechnet wie viel ich an Kabeln bestellen muss weil ich mir sicher war das mein Ergebnis falsch ist. Am Ende musste ich sogar noch einmal nach bestellen weil es nicht gereicht hat ... Wahnsinn...
Looks like your electrical inspector is on the job! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🐓🐓🐓🐓👍❤️📹😃
Yes, they where very picky that day. I had to fix serveral issues under their supervision.
Great work 👍🏻🏴
Thank´s!
It is easier to take cable from the inner side of the reel than the outer. Try it next time :)
That is a very wise tip and sure enough it works, I tried it already. Thank you!
@@summitrailway Glad to be of help :) It is a method I used many years ago when installing air-conditioners and we ran many lengths of cable :)
Some amount of wiring!. Still it could be worse, imagine trying to remember where everything is at Miniatur Wunderland in Hamburg. 😄I hope to visit there some day , it is a fantastic project. You will have a good version of it when you are finished. but in a larger scale. I am just curious if you will experience any voltage drop on the track further away from the main supply board when you run several trains?. You may have mentioned it in an earlier video.
Hi! The Miniatur Wunderland is at another level. I have been there 3 times as of today but I will be back for sure, it is just amazing! I really can encurage you to go there if you have the ability to. Now to your question ... At only 24V and a cable length of at least 50m (164ft) to the furthest point of the layout it is very important to have the right gauge wire. Otherwise you will experience a significant voltage drop and you might have problems like your loco won´t react to your control imputs. I am using 6 mm2 cable from the main supply board to the tracks to counteract this problem. This should be more than sufficient!
Daach aus Sachsen, schönes Update 👍
Super! Ich freue mich das dir der Beitrag gefällt! Bald geht es weiter mit dem Bau der Anlage, dann gibt es auch das nächste Video :)
It looks great! Just one question, is that track power cable big enough to carry all the current that could be pulled????
The cable for track power is 6 mm2 which is more than enough to handle all the amps.
Small question will ur locomotive will be an AC electric locomotive and take power from overhead wires like Are u add those overhead wiring too?
All the locomotives will be powered through the track, even if they have a pantograph. They run at 24V DC but since the central station does mudulate control commands onto the DC current it is not a clean DC current... anyways, I won´t install overhead lines on my layout. They are way to fragile and to much of a headache to maintain. Not to mention the horrendous cost to buy and install all that stuff. Furthermore I have got several crossings on my layout which are used by real humans and garbage cans so this is another reason why not to install overhead lines. Although I have to admit it would look good!
😊😊😊😊😊😊❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥🥳💯💯
Malzeit 🙋🏻♂️ihr habt coole Signale 🤗
Wie heißt die hünerrasse die ihr habt 🤔☺️?
Das sind Paduaner Hühner. Eine Zwerg-Huhn-Rasse, sehr zutraulich und neugierig :)
Great work, what do you plan for occupancy detection?
The detection itself is measured by the current in the main track feed of the relevant section. This is detected by a coil which sends it´s information to a secondary circuit board. This circuit bord will translate the information to a loco net feed which will be comunicating with the yet to be determined signal box software.
@@summitrailway I use MXION RBM, Roco 10808 indoor. Which do you recommend?
how did you draw the layout?
I made this up in microsoft word which worked surprisingly good!
Why didnt you take the train to the convention? Its quite hypocritical for a rail fan.
The train convention was H0 scale. My Garden Railroad (IIm gauge) is much bigger in scale, it simply will not work...