Can’t help thinking that if P & O we’re losing money year on year surely, they should dismiss the people running the company, not the workers who don’t have control on the running of the company.
Nobody has ever willingly gave up power . Even in politics , generally MPs , are waiting for a "scandal" before admitting their clowness. The smaller casts of the companies are always the ones taking the weight of blame on their shoulders because all of them / us are easily replaceable
Have been a deck officer in the British Merchant Navy for 45 years and what amazed me here was what seemed to be a total lack of knowledge even by the senior personnel of Britain's maritime safety organisations. The whole industry, what's left of it, needs a serious looking into.
What should be more amazing is the lack of maritime knowledge from the company itself. 3rd world flag and registration states/countries mean the company doesn't actually care about safety and wages. In Australia, P&O couldn't organise a free root in a brothel.
P&O have got away with it...those guys are all sitting in a very expensive bar wiping their brows saying, glad that is over with...on to exploiting our workforce. This will be old news next week.
when they say it was a “difficult” decision they mean they had to stay behind a few minutes after work to sign the paperwork that sacked the 800 workers
What a sad mess for a company that's been going since 1844! It should be remembered that Peter Hebblethwaite hasn't acted independently or in isolation. He says that he didn't sign off on the decision. Certainly Christensen appears prodigiously unconcerned. The other guilty parties, who did sign it off, are conveniently faceless and appear unlikely to face any prosecution. P&O acting with such impunity suggests that their legal team have looked into it and are confident that they can get away with this. There seems to be a lack of clarity on the legality of it all, apparently due to a confusing tangle of international maritime and employment laws. If they do get away with this then we all need to be concerned about when our turn will come and just how much employment law in the UK really 'protects' us from this kind of corporate venality. The fact that their Pension Fund is in debt to around the same amount as that paid for the golf sponsorship shows where their priorities are. Boycotting P&O will only hurt the remaining staff. If laws have been broken then actual prosecutions (not mere resignations) need to take place.
P and O management's predecessors at Townsend Thorenson quite literally got away with murder in the case of the Herald of Free Enterprise, so not difficult as to why they might assume they are above the law!
@Pete Singletons I may be mistaken but I think the offence of Corporate Manslaughter was only introduced as a result of/subsequent to the Herald incident. Only one or two crew members were prosecuted, despite the enquiry clearly laying the blame on the management culture. No one of the management was ever charged.
P&O UK is a minor subsidiary to a bigger company, which the UK actually relies on for trade etc because we're an island. These services would need to be replaced at a cost this Government isn't willing to pay.
I've never seen 2 people more sheepish than the CEO and the boss of DP World. I could never in good conscience ruin the lives of 800 families then sit and fob it off like they do to the authorities.
The executive's body language says it all. All of them squirming . I really hope the British public vote with their wallets and boycott this criminal organisation .
The behaviour of P&O is clearly reprehensible. For the management to openly admit to criminal behaviour must surely subject them to both financial penalty and presumably the threat of imprisonment. Forcing the company to close, however, simply removes a transport option for customers and gives P&O what it wanted; the opportunity to drop this loss maker like a hot brick but with no consequence to itself.. Rather than sink the company, I agree that P&O should lose its licence but it should also face a massive fine for what it did, the ships of its fleet should be confiscated and the company nationalised, pending potential sale to an alternative shipping company.
Sick. If these psychos are allowed to do such stupid and appalling move to “save company and fatten the investors”, what is stopping other corporates to do the same.
Going forward, it might be legally clearer if straits shipping (such as regular ferries between specific countries) were flagged in one or more of the countries served as part of their licence to operate.
Exactly, I have been making this point regards the registration of the vessels as being a solution to the legal loophole that the shipping companies are using, namely flags of convenience.
Two CEOs of this company have resigned from the company in rapid succession before this one was appointed. Reading between the lines, this move has been on the books for at least the past year and when the previous CEOs wouldn't do the dirty work the company shopped around until they found someone who would.
Brian Johnson and Kate Ware was a complete and utter disgrace. They have blatantly had minimal seafaring experience in the rules and regulations in the maritime industry. They were terribly embarrassing to listen to and watch as a seafarer. These are the people that should be protecting us and I have severe doubts on their capabilities.
One question I wish they would have asked is how quickly P&O would have gone under if they had not done this. Surely it wouldn't have been the following day or even month so clearly time to consult.
A minimum UK manning law should be in place for all ships operating in UK waters. Canadian flagged vessels do this, as well as the Scandinavian vessels. It would create more jobs for UK seafarers as well as giving opportunities for recently qualified officers and ratings.
There will be no p&o if everyone boycotted them from now on. However when they lower their rates so low the average person will just hold their nose and buy a ticket.
Pretty sad how fast this became yesterdays news. Merchant mariners are essential to this country and we are treated like crap mostly. Constantly void of recognition, and working conditions most take for granted. If it wasn’t for the Merchant navy the shelves and fuel tanks would be empty. Governments failed to support merchant mariners for years and now the skills shortage is dire.
LIES! As an ex Pride of Hull officer I KNOW the new crew are utterly useless!! They never launched the lifeboats in Hull as you'd never get them back alongside in the Humber. They flew in Dutch officers from Pride of Rotterdam to demonstrate to the MCA she was ready for sail!
All the p+o bosses should be told out of the blue that all there jobs have been terminated as all the p+o no longer exists and let's see how they like it
Customers will buy tickets, we will forget soon enough..days, months, years? they know it, RyanAir has been taking the piss for as long as I remember and yet still, their planes are always full
Sadly I'm inclined to agree, everyone reacts to these things initially, then they revert back to their normal routine, until it comes up again or directly affects them. Sadly not enough solidarity to make the necessary changes to protect workers or indeed the people in general and improve our quality of life and standard of living.
I'm no expert but as I understand it employment law is civil law, not criminal law. Therefore it's a case of who can afford the best (and most expensive) lawyer. And now we have a government who has decided to make trespass, which was a civil offence, a criminal offence. One law for the rich and corporate. Another for the rest of us.
If anyone living here, immigrant or not, they would have been subject to and covered by UK employment law. This has nothing to do with immigration and everything to do with tory policy.
With any luck, Peter Hebblethwaite will be sacked without any consultation, while being forced to sign a disgusting NDA form to have any hope of receiving a pittance of severance pay. Then he'll know exactly how it feels to have all of his rights trampled on, but at least P&O Ferries will save a small fortune on giving him the boot.
Lets remember all those Ferries that have met their demise due to cost cutting for profit and inadequatly crewed vessels and safety proceedures resulting in great loss of life. Same mistakes made time over.
@@srjwari All travel and tourism have been hit by the pandemic. If a management change was not going work then there will be a bus load of other business following suit. Time will tell.
What’s the point of questioning lawyers who do not know the details of the case? Surely those specifically involved should be the ones who are questioned.
Why go to the expense of having a Commons Committee hearing, when the damage has been done, the decision isn't going to be reversed, and to which, ultimately, they (the Committee) are so toothless, that they're going to do nothing about it!
If P&O deliberately (and illegally) fires all its British staff to employ foreign staff at less-than-minimum-wages (leading to safety issues as they are also unfamiliar with the systems and difficulties of running in the most congested shipping channel in the world) and is owned entirely by a foreign entity that cares nothing about the wrongs of this, I would have to ask the question as to why the British public should continue to support it at all over any of its competitors. Maybe their minds cannot be changed on this. But the solution then is to totally strangle P&O with a boycott until it finally folds and goes out of business due to unprofitability. Why should we care anymore, now that it does not support British society at all? Stena Line, Brittany Ferries, Condor Ferries, DFDS and others all offer similar, perfectly good, methods of crossing and there is also the EuroTunnel.
We should revoke P&O's licence to use British ports, simple as that.
Fair. Give the license to another company which will hire back these workers at a same offer or better.
Well said me sons, I am of the same opinion for licence revocation...
@@wilsonmanch6773 Sure, sure - I bet there are plenty of operators looking for 800 extra workers that don't already have a license 😑
I agree, especially as they are paying the poor staff less that our minimum wage...
Start a petition...
Can’t help thinking that if P & O we’re losing money year on year surely, they should dismiss the people running the company, not the workers who don’t have control on the running of the company.
See that would be sensible.
Yeah, if the company was making a profit the management would be quick to claim credit and bonus's.
Or cut their salaries. How can they pay barely or below the living wage yet pay this man £300,000 before bonuses if the company is going bust?!
Nobody has ever willingly gave up power . Even in politics , generally MPs , are waiting for a "scandal" before admitting their clowness. The smaller casts of the companies are always the ones taking the weight of blame on their shoulders because all of them / us are easily replaceable
To be fair to them I'm sure a lot of their financial troubles are because of lock down.
Have been a deck officer in the British Merchant Navy for 45 years and what amazed me here was what seemed to be a total lack of knowledge even by the senior personnel of Britain's maritime safety organisations. The whole industry, what's left of it, needs a serious looking into.
I'm a deck officer also. I was shocked by lack of knowledge by the MPs how little they knew. They didn't seem to know the most basic concepts.
What should be more amazing is the lack of maritime knowledge from the company itself. 3rd world flag and registration states/countries mean the company doesn't actually care about safety and wages.
In Australia, P&O couldn't organise a free root in a brothel.
The P&O executives are absolutely shameless
P&O have misjudged the backlash that will follow, remember Ratners? Sooner P&O go bust the better.
ratners went down faster than divine brown.
P&O have got away with it...those guys are all sitting in a very expensive bar wiping their brows saying, glad that is over with...on to exploiting our workforce. This will be old news next week.
@@smellslikethinice1107 Well it’s next week and 2 ships have been impounded.
when they say it was a “difficult” decision they mean they had to stay behind a few minutes after work to sign the paperwork that sacked the 800 workers
£5.15 an hour for skilled labour!!! Disgusting!!
Or any labour in 2022 in the UK tbf.
What a sad mess for a company that's been going since 1844! It should be remembered that Peter Hebblethwaite hasn't acted independently or in isolation. He says that he didn't sign off on the decision. Certainly Christensen appears prodigiously unconcerned. The other guilty parties, who did sign it off, are conveniently faceless and appear unlikely to face any prosecution.
P&O acting with such impunity suggests that their legal team have looked into it and are confident that they can get away with this. There seems to be a lack of clarity on the legality of it all, apparently due to a confusing tangle of international maritime and employment laws.
If they do get away with this then we all need to be concerned about when our turn will come and just how much employment law in the UK really 'protects' us from this kind of corporate venality. The fact that their Pension Fund is in debt to around the same amount as that paid for the golf sponsorship shows where their priorities are. Boycotting P&O will only hurt the remaining staff. If laws have been broken then actual prosecutions (not mere resignations) need to take place.
Let them go bust other companys will take up the slack
P&O Ferries founded 2002. Google is your guide here.
No protection from the EU since Brexit. The Tories can now disregard employment legislation or tear it up for arsepaper! Happy now Brexiteers?!!
compulsory purchase their ships as an essential service,
P and O management's predecessors at Townsend Thorenson quite literally got away with murder in the case of the Herald of Free Enterprise, so not difficult as to why they might assume they are above the law!
@Pete Singletons I may be mistaken but I think the offence of Corporate Manslaughter was only introduced as a result of/subsequent to the Herald incident. Only one or two crew members were prosecuted, despite the enquiry clearly laying the blame on the management culture. No one of the management was ever charged.
I was in tears after this. The way these workers were treated was appalling. £5.50???? an hour What???? Psychopaths, no remorse.
£5.50ph doesn't seem alot to the UK but it's way more then the workers would earn back home
I am by no means an expert on the matter by I believe P&O are SCREWED!!
One thing i have learned in my time is that they wont. expect there share price to rise and no meaningful action as they turn a profit
P&O UK is a minor subsidiary to a bigger company, which the UK actually relies on for trade etc because we're an island. These services would need to be replaced at a cost this Government isn't willing to pay.
they wernt made redundant, they were sacked.
I've never seen 2 people more sheepish than the CEO and the boss of DP World. I could never in good conscience ruin the lives of 800 families then sit and fob it off like they do to the authorities.
1:27:04 is where the P&O people appear
Doing the Lord's work! Ta.
I loved the first question!
The executive's body language says it all. All of them squirming . I really hope the British public vote with their wallets and boycott this criminal organisation .
TRUE BLUE TORYS -Reese Mogg staying very quiet for them. Ambiguity in the law is due to tory law.
Makes me sick, he gets paid £350k!!! + bonus
If this company get away with then every company in the UK 🇬🇧 WILL TO .....
The behaviour of P&O is clearly reprehensible. For the management to openly admit to criminal behaviour must surely subject them to both financial penalty and presumably the threat of imprisonment.
Forcing the company to close, however, simply removes a transport option for customers and gives P&O what it wanted; the opportunity to drop this loss maker like a hot brick but with no consequence to itself.. Rather than sink the company, I agree that P&O should lose its licence but it should also face a massive fine for what it did, the ships of its fleet should be confiscated and the company nationalised, pending potential sale to an alternative shipping company.
I think the company is Emirates based though. Seizing their assets might not be possible without repercussions
Sick. If these psychos are allowed to do such stupid and appalling move to “save company and fatten the investors”, what is stopping other corporates to do the same.
Nothing. It's what Tories want.
Public backlash is stopping them, P&O are probably not going to financially recover in the near future.
P and O. What a lousy firm to work for.
Going forward, it might be legally clearer if straits shipping (such as regular ferries between specific countries) were flagged in one or more of the countries served as part of their licence to operate.
Exactly, I have been making this point regards the registration of the vessels as being a solution to the legal loophole that the shipping companies are using, namely flags of convenience.
These guys are slaying the CEO without hesitation. 😂 this is brutal 😆
It's so satisfying lmao I'd watch this every day
Who the hell made this person CEO of a major company?.
Two CEOs of this company have resigned from the company in rapid succession before this one was appointed. Reading between the lines, this move has been on the books for at least the past year and when the previous CEOs wouldn't do the dirty work the company shopped around until they found someone who would.
Coco the clown most probably
Brian Johnson and Kate Ware was a complete and utter disgrace. They have blatantly had minimal seafaring experience in the rules and regulations in the maritime industry. They were terribly embarrassing to listen to and watch as a seafarer. These are the people that should be protecting us and I have severe doubts on their capabilities.
Boycott P&O
_Prosecute the Owners & Managers._
P&O could not dismiss the French employees out of hand; French employees are protected by law.
Yes, and backed up by the EU. Our workers used to have that......
When the bloke said, “I’ve never heard such farcical replies, etc” he meant never heard such bollocks.
Jail them now.
What a fine and upstanding gentleman mr heaven can wait is!
strip them of there assests they shouldnt be running any companies full stop
I thought the government thought "breaking the law in a limited and specific way" was acceptable?
Wonder if the management could be changed for much cheaper , personally think I could do a much better job for much less salary
This company should not be allowed to operate in UK waters.
No words 🤦♂
One question I wish they would have asked is how quickly P&O would have gone under if they had not done this. Surely it wouldn't have been the following day or even month so clearly time to consult.
They’ve got away with it.
Jail all pso bosses. See that lead guy with the white shirt? Give him 300k a year and all the power. He will sort the UK in weeks.
I wouldn't care less about the NDA, id be running my mouth everywhere if I was one of them staff!!
Where can we watch part 2?!
What an absolute disgrace this CEO is, £300,000 a year to cancel 800 jobs this guy needs a wee visit behind the curtain
Arrest all the executives who made the decision to break the law
A minimum UK manning law should be in place for all ships operating in UK waters. Canadian flagged vessels do this, as well as the Scandinavian vessels. It would create more jobs for UK seafarers as well as giving opportunities for recently qualified officers and ratings.
Pirate Law.
There will be no p&o if everyone boycotted them from now on. However when they lower their rates so low the average person will just hold their nose and buy a ticket.
Very sadly true. There are plenty of people who are willing to abandon their morality for a bargain, particularly in times of austerity. 😥
He is so shocked at 31:05 he forgot where his glass was
Haha
Pretty sad how fast this became yesterdays news. Merchant mariners are essential to this country and we are treated like crap mostly. Constantly void of recognition, and working conditions most take for granted. If it wasn’t for the Merchant navy the shelves and fuel tanks would be empty. Governments failed to support merchant mariners for years and now the skills shortage is dire.
This is very shocking
P and O need to feel the full weight of the law,
And then Mick Lynch started the largest wave of strike action in a generation. Those 800 workers are heroes.
P&O have stopped paying pensions for the last 2 months.
Disgusting.
Also illegal
Isn't it strange that when a company gets into financial trouble, the workers get shafted 1st.
How many top managers got sacked?
Do 'em!
£5.15 an hour is that not illegal??? What's the rates in Europe then ? 🤔
The P&O boss in the meeting room should get a body guard.
Yeah seriously he is asking for it big time.
Yeah sacking 800 hard working tax payers is beyond gross, this needs sorted outside of viewers the snake
As a 23 year old lad. I don’t know whether the fact I love watching things like this makes me boring or intelligent
LIES! As an ex Pride of Hull officer I KNOW the new crew are utterly useless!!
They never launched the lifeboats in Hull as you'd never get them back alongside in the Humber.
They flew in Dutch officers from Pride of Rotterdam to demonstrate to the MCA she was ready for sail!
Can that be proven? That would be a backbreaker.
All the p+o bosses should be told out of the blue that all there jobs have been terminated as all the p+o no longer exists and let's see how they like it
For staff living on board was there no right of tenancy?
If there were to be a legal way to put Peter Hebblethwaite in prison, there at least he would be in his place !
Their business is completely finished now 🤣🤣made up👏🏻
Long live the hard working people of our country 🏴✝️
When did John Gotti become CEO of P&O?
Customers will buy tickets, we will forget soon enough..days, months, years? they know it, RyanAir has been taking the piss for as long as I remember and yet still, their planes are always full
Sadly I'm inclined to agree, everyone reacts to these things initially, then they revert back to their normal routine, until it comes up again or directly affects them.
Sadly not enough solidarity to make the necessary changes to protect workers or indeed the people in general and improve our quality of life and standard of living.
Bunch of crooks
Pay them all 6 mths minimum....then ban p n o from UK operations.
Revoke P+Os license
I'm no expert but as I understand it employment law is civil law, not criminal law. Therefore it's a case of who can afford the best (and most expensive) lawyer.
And now we have a government who has decided to make trespass, which was a civil offence, a criminal offence.
One law for the rich and corporate. Another for the rest of us.
That DP world guy is a James Bond baddy
At 1:54:20 the MP enters the unlock code for her phone. It might be a good idea for Sky to blur that part of the stream.
It's not as if we can get hold of her phone.
THIS is why I’m against unrestricted immigration…
DON’T LET THEM SAIL !!!!!!!
If anyone living here, immigrant or not, they would have been subject to and covered by UK employment law. This has nothing to do with immigration and everything to do with tory policy.
With any luck, Peter Hebblethwaite will be sacked without any consultation, while being forced to sign a disgusting NDA form to have any hope of receiving a pittance of severance pay.
Then he'll know exactly how it feels to have all of his rights trampled on, but at least P&O Ferries will save a small fortune on giving him the boot.
As crappy as all this sounds, do we think P&O should go under ? people wanting to deny P&O to port on their docks
They should give back the taxpayers their money back. Theifs
*thieves
If I had a booking with P&O, I would cancel immediately as this is a company that will be going bust, and it will go down with your money.
2.10 ...Did he just say he has an office in Dover and an office in... Hell ?
2.10.30 office in Dover and office in Hell omg .
Stone cold shark
Do the written answers become publicly available, if so could someone be kind enough to point me in the direction.
Saying have been damaged union employment.
Dont use P and O , never
why does this not show the final panel?
Welcome to life outside the EU
Lets remember all those Ferries that have met their demise due to cost cutting for profit and inadequatly crewed vessels and safety proceedures resulting in great loss of life. Same mistakes made time over.
I'd give the guy from DP World a C+ for trying...But oh dear Mr Heppletwatt gets a solid F.
They can afford milions on redundancies when the money would be better spent on a new management team that can turn the ship around.
@@srjwari All travel and tourism have been hit by the pandemic. If a management change was not going work then there will be a bus load of other business following suit. Time will tell.
Quite a few of their ships follow a "Pride of..." naming convention.
Maybe time to change them to "Shame of...".
I hope No one will travel with P&O just out of pure decency!!!!
What’s the point of questioning lawyers who do not know the details of the case? Surely those specifically involved should be the ones who are questioned.
Why go to the expense of having a Commons Committee hearing, when the damage has been done, the decision isn't going to be reversed, and to which, ultimately, they (the Committee) are so toothless, that they're going to do nothing about it!
If I would be there, my most important question would be_ to Boris Backers: will your personal income will decrease accordingly to Cyprus pay?
So this and so that - the stock non-reply to a damning question these days isn't it?
Fire and re-hire or... Fire and re-manipulate?
Brian Johnson seems to pass and then repeat the answers to the questions HE HAS been asked..
as someone who was sacked off the gangway on the Spirit of Britain, i find Hebbthlewaite's responses astounding, SMH .
I'd never use p&0 cruise or ferries ever agaim
So what happens after this? Is their consequences?
If P&O deliberately (and illegally) fires all its British staff to employ foreign staff at less-than-minimum-wages (leading to safety issues as they are also unfamiliar with the systems and difficulties of running in the most congested shipping channel in the world) and is owned entirely by a foreign entity that cares nothing about the wrongs of this, I would have to ask the question as to why the British public should continue to support it at all over any of its competitors.
Maybe their minds cannot be changed on this. But the solution then is to totally strangle P&O with a boycott until it finally folds and goes out of business due to unprofitability. Why should we care anymore, now that it does not support British society at all? Stena Line, Brittany Ferries, Condor Ferries, DFDS and others all offer similar, perfectly good, methods of crossing and there is also the EuroTunnel.
2 and a half weeks pay per year is quite shocking I'm no expert but I thought it was 1 month per year minimum?
1:52:30 ....your question was ???
Whats the name and address of this guy? Time he learned what consequences are
When asking the minimum wage the answer was 5.50 average an hour but not the lowest rate and the highest?
clearly the ave is pushed up by Officers rates so the £2 would be standard for crew
Well I wouldn’t want to go on P & 0.
These Mps are shocking. They have done absolutely no research. How much time was wasted by the coast guard explaining port and flag state control.