The Holy Grail of WWII Aviation Engines - The Rolls Royce Crecy

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  • Опубликовано: 13 июл 2022
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    CLARIFICATION:
    In this video, I make the assertion that a two-stroke will not pump air without forced induction. That is only the case, however, if you assume a normal architecture and the crank is not pressurized. Yes, I am aware modern two stroke engines do not require forced induction.
    Of all the piston aero engines throughout WWII, one engine, above all others, remains shrouded in mystery. While books and articles surrounding other power units can be hunted down and scavenged. One engine, the holy grail of piston aero engines, eludes rediscovery. That engine is the Rolls Royce Crecy. The experimental two-stroke, sleeve-valved V-12 monstrosity was so powerful that it would have bridged the technological gap between the piston engine and the jet had there been any delay at all in the jet program. As it turned out, the jet was adopted extremely quickly, and thus, the Crecy was stillborn. However, regardless of the fact that it never properly flew, it deserves to be remembered as the technological masterpiece it truly was.
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Комментарии • 536

  • @JohnyG29
    @JohnyG29 Год назад +50

    Harry Ricardo was a bit of a genius to put it lightly.

    • @davidelliott5843
      @davidelliott5843 3 месяца назад +1

      He certainly was but he also took a long while to realise that Merlin’s (and therefore Crecy) were served by inadequate oil pumps. They literally could not meet to oil demand at high revs that caused big end failures.
      He also used sleeve valves on the Crecy which were just not necessary. Loop scavenging is enough.

    • @The_ZeroLine
      @The_ZeroLine 3 месяца назад

      And I’m just slightly more brilliant! All my innovations are, of course, classified. But, like many engineering geniuses, I like to brag anonymously on RUclips about it.

    • @geesehoward700
      @geesehoward700 2 месяца назад

      @@davidelliott5843such a shame he was the only person working on the merlin and all of its short comings fell on one person.

  • @neilpuckett359
    @neilpuckett359 Год назад +29

    Hats off to the machine shops and machinists who made it all possible.

  • @josephkey9680
    @josephkey9680 Год назад +107

    Great work! What a beautiful piece of engineering! As a modern day engineer, I can only marvel at these guys who designed everything without CAD and in the middle of wartime. It shows you what the indomitable human spirit can achieve.

    • @davidelliott5843
      @davidelliott5843 Год назад +7

      Proper engineers can think in three dimensions. CAD just speeds up the development process.

    • @michaelf.2449
      @michaelf.2449 Год назад +2

      Don't feel bad buddy you're only one guy! People have a hard time believing the Egyptians built the pyramids, but everyone forgets what is capable when you have enough people working on something especially slaves.

    • @ATEC101
      @ATEC101 Год назад +2

      Yeah, the V2 rocked engineering. Good thing the US and Russia split up the spoils of 'Nazi' brainpower or we wouldn't have had the Cold War! 'Spirit' can go perform a solitary ritual in a corner.

    • @davelowets
      @davelowets Год назад +3

      @@davidelliott5843 Exactly... CAD doesn't design the engine, humans do, and still have to.... 🍻

    • @jakobquick6875
      @jakobquick6875 9 месяцев назад +1

      I love u put a top fuel blown hemi in this video, great monster that could have been the mighty Crecy

  • @matchrocket1702
    @matchrocket1702 Год назад +42

    I think it's safe to say that the sound of the Crecy alone would be enough to scare the crap out of any would-be enemy.

    • @rogertycholiz2218
      @rogertycholiz2218 Год назад +3

      Matchrocket ~ The sleeve-valve-2-strokes had a sound like no other.

    • @lukewise1227
      @lukewise1227 3 месяца назад +1

      The scream in a dive at full power would have made the Ju87 sound like a child's toy.

  • @acrazedtanker1550
    @acrazedtanker1550 Год назад +81

    Sleeve valve, two-stroke, V12?!? Why haven't I heard of this before, holy crap. Such a beautiful marvel of engineering.

    • @rogertycholiz2218
      @rogertycholiz2218 Год назад +6

      ACrazed Tanker ~ I always thought of Rolls Royce as OHC 4-stroke. Bristol & Napier produced thousands of sleeve-valves engines.

    • @leneanderthalien
      @leneanderthalien Год назад +3

      @@rogertycholiz2218 Yes, but Bristol (Napier did use Bristol technolgy) was 4 strokes engines and they specific consumption (gram gas to hp/hour) was excellent (lover than a common 4 stroke), but two strokes have a bad specific consumption and nee more oil than Bristol sleeve valves who not need more oil as common US radial engines...

    • @johnbrewer8954
      @johnbrewer8954 Год назад +2

      @@rogertycholiz2218 RR also made the Eagle which was a HH type very similar to the Sabre used in the Wyvern aircraft until it got a turbo-prop. At the same time they were also developing centrifugal and axial jets. Basically the same team went through the Merlin and Griffon onto the RB211 turbo fan which powered some of the early Jumbos and the same family of engines are still used today.

    • @wilburfinnigan2142
      @wilburfinnigan2142 Год назад

      It was too complicated and expensive why it never went into production !!!

    • @wilburfinnigan2142
      @wilburfinnigan2142 Год назад +1

      @@rogertycholiz2218 RR built various types of engines !!! DUUUUUHH!!!!!

  • @intentionally_obscure
    @intentionally_obscure Год назад +40

    This is incredible. This engine, the mad lad stuff being cooked up at the end of the piston-engine era, and your in depth video about it all. Top quality content. I thought I understood two-stroke engines fairly well but I was shown otherwise. Can't wait for the next one.

  • @martinnicholls9056
    @martinnicholls9056 Год назад +20

    There was a famously pithy remark by Rolls Royce's Stanley Hooker. He wrote in favour of the two-stroke thus: In a four stroke "there is one stroke to deliver power and three to wear the engine out." I'm not sure if he was entirely correct, but an interesting observation by the man who designed and developed the famous two-stage, two speed supercharger for the Merlin 61 engine.

    • @toomanyuserids
      @toomanyuserids Год назад

      One to power and three to cool them off and lubricate everything...

  • @boreas_rt1667
    @boreas_rt1667 Год назад +66

    Absolutely amazing content! I never knew just how incredibly complex and intricately designed it was, amazing that this was all done with 1940s technology.
    Have you heard of some of the Italian engine prototypes of ww2? They're pretty insane too

    • @WalterWhiteFootballSharing
      @WalterWhiteFootballSharing Год назад +5

      I read Italian ww2 airpower engineering were all a work of art. Intricate artwork AWFUL for mass production. USSR and USA engineering 'genius' was war machine designs that lent themselves to mass production. 10,000 planes a month at one point. Even more tanks, shells, etc.

  • @jimgoodwin6294
    @jimgoodwin6294 Год назад +15

    My late mother worked for a company (still in existence) based in the cellar of a remote country house in England during the early war years.
    They created the tooling to manufacture the first turbine blades for Whittle..
    No one knew of course what they were helping to make but had to sign the officials secrets act.
    They joked that after being given the contract to make "knives" they wondered if they would be making tooling for spoons and forks......
    Creative genius of men & women in sheds........

  • @keithglaysher9201
    @keithglaysher9201 Год назад +16

    Great content! The Crecy certainly lived up to the Rolls Royce doctrine of "show us something simple and we will soon design the simplicity out of it"!

    • @pu1869
      @pu1869 Год назад +3

      oh yes they will, with vigor.

    • @Biketunerfy
      @Biketunerfy Год назад +1

      That’s RR all over, but it also pushes development. The sleeve valve system would of been just amazing. I really wish they could develop some modern race engines out of this technology but there is a lot of parasitical loss with the sleeve valve system plus the parasitic loss of power from the blower (super charger). May be a turbo would be better since it has no parasitic loss of HP on the engine because of the exhaust gases velocity is so fast on sleeve valve system but then again 2 strokes don’t like the resonance been played with on the exhaust system so may be that’s why they went with a supercharger….

    • @g8ymw
      @g8ymw Год назад +3

      @@Biketunerfy They might have been able to extract more power with expansion chamber exhausts as was done on 2-stroke racing bikes.
      Later aero engines would run at a near constant speed with variable pitch propellors so suited to expansion chambers

    • @Biketunerfy
      @Biketunerfy Год назад

      @@g8ymw SORRY FOR THE LENGTH OF THIS REPLY BUT ITS NEEDED TO BE EXPLAINED IN SOME DETAIL: but that’s what I’m talking about, basically 2 strokes need a partial vacuum in the exhaust to help scavenge some of the exhaust gasses from the engine so they use what’s called a Venturi on the exhaust to help cause suction which is why 2 strokes with expansion chamber exhausts have more power and throttle response but they don’t like being messed with and you can upset the resonance and suction because of a turbo being fitted. There is a reason why turbos have never been fitted to 2 stroke my friend. If it had a poppet exhaust valve you would not need the expansion exhaust instead of just a hole on the top end. A power valve on a 2 stroke is like turbo in the sense that it opens up at about 6 or 7 grand on the rpm that cause more suction and there for more fuel and air being pulled in and they even feel like a turbo with the lag until you hit the power band and the power valves open up and off you go, great fun. You feel it more on the road bikes than the dirt bikes because of the longer gear ratios but I love 2 strokes. 2 stroke bike engines pull in the air fuel mixture through the reed valve in the crank case instead of the cylinder heads so there is only a set amount of volume of air that can be forced in using forced induction so a turbo is really useless on a 2 stroke because turbos shift huge volumes of air at relatively low pressures like 10 to 35 + PSI for effective boost but some turbos can shift over 400 to 500 cubic feet per Minuit easily on a big bore turbos which makes them way more efficient than a super charger and a lot more cheaper which is why we are seeing them more and more in IC engines these days because it makes them more efficient so they would not work in a 2 stroke bike engine but could on this engine above because if it’s design.

    • @TarenGarond
      @TarenGarond 3 месяца назад

      @@Biketunerfy "a turbo is really useless on a 2 stroke"
      What?!
      You know there is even several factory turbocharged two-stroke snowmobiles built these days?

  • @billeudy8481
    @billeudy8481 Год назад +5

    I have to take a moment to thank you for making this complex topic much easier to grasp for a person like me who spent my formative years studying (primarily) English, business and finance. In spite of my poor background this presentation was informative and exceptionally interesting.

  • @timedmondson1307
    @timedmondson1307 Год назад +9

    I am really loving these vids. Your info is always nicely fully backed up and can see you put soooo much time into your research and for that I would like to say thank you and please keep it coming

  • @pfrancescutti
    @pfrancescutti Год назад +3

    +1 for the exhaust note demonstration alone LOL. Epic!

  • @Lord.Kiltridge
    @Lord.Kiltridge Год назад +6

    I encountered a Kawasaki H2 Mach IV 750cc, two stroke, three cylinder motorcycle in the early '80s. That thing was a screamer.

    • @whalesong999
      @whalesong999 Год назад +2

      Yes, and it's predecessor the 500cc H1. I worked as a mechanic for a dealer just north of N.Y. city when our first H1 was uncrated, serviced, and test ridden. It let out quite a wail, both from the intake and the exhaust. Sound of a Ferrari came to mind. Later smaller triples were produced but their time was limited as pollution standards favored the four cycle engines. The Crecy would have been deafening I'd think.

    • @Lord.Kiltridge
      @Lord.Kiltridge Год назад +2

      @@whalesong999 Yes, I rode a friends RZ350 and knew a guy who rode a RD500. But the H2 was by far the most memorable.

    • @mdlanor5414
      @mdlanor5414 3 месяца назад

      Yes it is

  • @TheAmazingCowpig
    @TheAmazingCowpig Год назад +10

    I remember coming across the Crecy in some reading about WWII engines and was just astounded that such a thing existed. A two-stroke aero engine with sleeve valves really is kind of ludicrous to think about... much like its power output, I guess. A bit sad to think about all the odd tech paths we've missed out on due to the way and speed technology developed. Would've loved to see this strange monster of an engine amount to even something.

  • @alt5494
    @alt5494 Год назад +5

    As a engineer the sheer complexity of sleeve valves/hours to develop the assembly for a modest valve control advantage verses exhaust ports & one-way valves. Is a proper mind bending exercise being able to delete major design features on the development path is a underrated skill. Great video Cheers

    • @SheepInACart
      @SheepInACart Год назад +2

      I mostly agree with your take away, the sleeve valve proved a bridge to far even in 4stroke time where simple ports where not an option (see Napier Sabre). However regarding your suggested alternative, 1 way valves in that context prove to be one of those issues that sound simple on the surface, but due to how rapid the changes of direction are intended to be, actually prove enormously difficult, failure prone and restrictive to airflow, and so rarely feature in any 2stroke design (even the V1's reed valved pulsejet capped out at 2,520 cycles per minute, and offered worse power to weight than contemporary 4 stroke motors... it was just more expendable). Instead in the world of high speed engines, cheap small designs use a timed reflection of exhaust gas, and more powerful/costly/larger engines use a "powervalve" which forms the same role as the sleeve here. As is often the case complexity of a motor isn't the number of parts, a v12 has few design challenges and little reduction in mean time before failure of an inline6, despite in many cases having just one shared part in main rotating assembly.

    • @andyharman3022
      @andyharman3022 3 месяца назад

      The sleeve valve system is actually less complex than the typical camshaft/cam follower/valve spring/poppet valve system that is almost universal to engines today. They have the advantages of better breathing due to no valve stems getting in the way in the ports, no problems with high-speed dynamics due to valve spring coil surge, they are transparent to heat, allowing higher compression ratio with low octane fuel, and allow complete freedom in combustion chamber design because the valve heads no longer take up most of the available space in the cylinder head.

  • @2down4up
    @2down4up Год назад +4

    I went to a trade school that had a compound forced induction (turbo on top of the super charger) running Detroit 8V92 on an engine frame. Even with the turbo and exhaust extractor the sound that thing made was so unique and fantastic. The instructor I had would love to start it up, wait a few seconds for oil pressure, and then go full WOT and let it eat for a bit. Such an amazing engine. And incredibly smooth running as well. For a twelve liter diesel it sounded unreal. Even though I’ve seen that entire DeBoss garage video, your quick brief replaying of that amazing sound took me right back to school and to simpler times. Thank you for the trip down memory lane and for making a great video. You deserve far more subscribers then you have.

    • @joeh8784
      @joeh8784 Год назад

      During the '80s I drove buses equipped with Detroit 6V92 TA engines. Still remember the full throttle sound, scream, of them getting up to full highway speed. Even louder in the garage when they were run at full throttle during steam cleaning.

    • @6528ken
      @6528ken Год назад

      Drove a '77 Kenworth with a Detroit 8V92 for a few years hauling drywall in the Sacramento region. Ran like a top, very reliable, made good money running this truck, but it always used a lot of motor oil. A LOT of motor oil. Like 1 Gallon every 400 miles or so! And this was just accepted as normal with a solid, good Detroit two-cycle engine. This truck with it's 13 Speed could out accelerate most trucks with an 80K load on flat ground, but get in the hills ... well this "445 HP" Kenworth could not match a small cam Cummins 350 with the same load. Go Figure ...

    • @2down4up
      @2down4up Год назад +1

      @@6528ken 4 stroke torque vs 2 stroke HP.

    • @joeh8784
      @joeh8784 Год назад

      @@6528ken They made several versions of the Series 92 engines. One variant had a broader torque curve for just the situation you mentioned, hill climbing. Tradeoff was a bit less peak HP. There were also the TAA models, turbocharged with an aftercooler. Or at least TAA was the code used when they purchased the buses I drove. Came across something saying later on it was TAC. For the buses they only were TA, but the 6V92 TA buses took off much better than the smaller ones with just a 6V71.
      As for the oil usage, I recall we saw about 2 qts every 6-700 miles when they were newish.

    • @anachronisticon
      @anachronisticon Год назад

      Would you have an educated guess at what the RR Crecy could have produced with a turbocompounded exhaust system? I imagine the power to weight would be over 2?

  • @ATomRileyA
    @ATomRileyA Год назад +21

    Really enjoying these series of videos, you do a great job of explaining how it all works. I always think its a shame that we never knew what happened to the test Crecy engines after the project was canceled, makes you wonder if they are still around in the back of a old warehouse one can hope :).

    • @P_RO_
      @P_RO_ Год назад +3

      Being British, there's actually some hope for that. Abandoned things there usually just get shoved to the side, then to the back, then off to the shop or shed of someone who was involved with it where it may get passed around to several other people before all track of it is lost. Anywhere else it would get stripped for anything useful then turned into scrap metal quickly.

    • @keithglaysher9201
      @keithglaysher9201 Год назад

      There's probably an old boy in a shed wondering where to start with his strip-down of the big lump he bought off of eBay, lol.

  • @CanadairCL44
    @CanadairCL44 Год назад +4

    I can't thank you enoigh for this presentation. Having worked on two Spitfire restorations myself, I have often wondered about the Rolls Royce Crecy aero engine and what happened to it. You have gained a subscriber!

  • @drstrangelove4998
    @drstrangelove4998 Год назад +2

    Ricardo was a genius. I wasn’t aware of the Cressy. A brilliant documentary!

  • @andersoncarroll6282
    @andersoncarroll6282 Год назад +2

    That actually reminds me of another Rolls-Royce sprint aero engine, the Rolls-Royce R. Great video by the way.

  • @jamest.5001
    @jamest.5001 Год назад +1

    Those Detroit engines did make a sound, our work truck, had a 6-71 with no muffler, a 6" stack,. You could hear that thing across town!! And a awesome sound!!

  • @donaldduff-mccracken448
    @donaldduff-mccracken448 Год назад +1

    Your work is great and this is wonderful as I have always wanted to know more about the Crecy. This is my fave aero channel now!

  • @BrickNewton
    @BrickNewton Год назад +2

    Wish I could hear one of these running, apparently so loud you hear it miles away, and sounded amazing

  • @SpanishJohn
    @SpanishJohn Год назад +2

    This is great and im pretty sure your channel will explode soon amongst history buffs like us.
    Please keep them coming and you got my sub.
    Cheers and good luck!
    Theres a typo in octane for the Ricardo quote.

  • @samrodian919
    @samrodian919 Год назад +2

    Just watched your first video and immediately subscribed! Wonderful information, I'd heard of the RR Crecy but didn't know it was a two stroke! Great vid! Thank you!

  • @andrewfarrow4699
    @andrewfarrow4699 Год назад +6

    I think the sprint Spitfire would have been deployed somewhat like an Me163. Crippling fuel consumption. Rapid ground to air intercept for point defense, without decent range or endurance for offense. But by 1942 or 1943 the allies didn't need point defense.

  • @rtqii
    @rtqii Год назад

    I remember watching an aircraft video from this channel a while back, and then I saw a post with a poll asking if people would be interested in aviation engines, and I responded to that and said I would subscribe for those type videos. I saw one pop up in my feed yesterday on the RR Merlin, one of my favorite engines, and just watched the two-parter on the Napier Sabre engine. New sub enjoying every minute of these historical engine videos.

  • @gutofuhr
    @gutofuhr Год назад +5

    Great video about a very interesting topic. Just to add that the Rolls-Royce Heritage Trust (RRHT) published a book in 1994 about this engine, which can be bought in many bookseller sites. Most data about this engine can be found there.

  • @EmyrDerfel
    @EmyrDerfel Год назад +1

    13:50 hey, it's the Tape Boss™ guy!

  • @suabroboro5764
    @suabroboro5764 Год назад

    Great job buddy. Been watching your videos on aero engines. Keep'em coming.

  • @philgiglio7922
    @philgiglio7922 Год назад +1

    At 14 minutes... sounds more like a racing engine rather than the drone we expect from aero engines of the day

  • @sovereign126
    @sovereign126 Год назад +1

    This is incredibly well researched.
    I have had a love for the crecy for many years being a mechanic and a bit of a history buff.
    I was not aware of the operating principles of the sleeve valve design, and this explained it beautifully. I hope those that didn't have as strong a background in engines found it as simple to understand. Personally I could visualise it moving.
    Also thank you for the 12v72 (I think) sound clip. Now that is always a pleasure. It ranks up there with the 8v92 & BRM v16 in how damn good it sounds.

  • @abbottsplace8080
    @abbottsplace8080 Год назад

    Amazing video! I was very surprised years ago when I learned of the existence of the radial sleeve valve engines. I didn't know about these engines. Wow. It is a shame we didn't see them in service. Thanks for the video!

  • @aldenconsolver3428
    @aldenconsolver3428 Год назад +2

    Much enjoyed your video on the Crecy engines. My experience with 2 stroke motorcycles clearly shows the advantage of a two-stroke aero engine. The two-stroke engine in street motorcycle applications provided nearly twice the horsepower per CC that four-stroke engines were in 1976. It would take another decade and the rise of electronic ignitions/4 and 5 valve heads/ much more sophisticated carburation (and later fuel injection) before the 4stroke motorcycles could catch up with the two strokes and at that in 1976 due to EPA rules the 2 stroke had ceased to be advanced. This was even without the turbo which aided the 2 strokes immensely by allowing the necessary fuel-air input not to have to be compressed in the crankcase.

  • @peterbustin2683
    @peterbustin2683 Год назад +12

    Great video about this amazing engine ! Wouldn't it be inspiring to get together a few retired engineers, like myself, and actually build one - in the true nature of James May, in the shed !

    • @monsieurcommissaire1628
      @monsieurcommissaire1628 Год назад +1

      I'll second that. The sound alone would be astonishing.

    • @steveskouson9620
      @steveskouson9620 Год назад +1

      Allen Millyard! He could most likely do it.
      Interesting guy, Mister Millyard.
      steve

    • @peterbustin2683
      @peterbustin2683 Год назад

      @@monsieurcommissaire1628 Wouldnt it just !!

  • @ronjon7942
    @ronjon7942 Год назад +2

    Nice work. Curious Droid's channel has an interesting perspective (just like FlightDojo) on the Crecy, along w the Napier Deltic and the Sabre. Kudos to FlightDojo on the research and presentation of the Crecy.

  • @tonysheerness2427
    @tonysheerness2427 Год назад +4

    A nice project for today's engineers make a Crecy and then see what it does.

  • @ricardodavidson3813
    @ricardodavidson3813 Год назад +1

    Very clear and informative, congratulations!

  • @tonym480
    @tonym480 Год назад +4

    The company Harry Ricardo founded immediately post WW1, Ricardo Consulting Engineering, is still in business on the original site near Shoreham airport in West Sussex in the south of England.
    On the issue of what the Crecy might have sounded like, could I suggest looking for a recording of the Napier Deltic Diesel engine. Developed from a Junkers aero engine as a possible power plant for Royal Navy MTB's it was famously used in the Deltic railway locomotives for British Rail. The sound is not unlike the Detroit Diesel in the clip, but even more so 😄

  • @Roddy_Zeh
    @Roddy_Zeh Год назад +1

    RUclips just recommended me this video...and I was not disappointed.
    10/10. 👌🏻😌

  • @monsieurcommissaire1628
    @monsieurcommissaire1628 Год назад

    Love your videos. This one was awesome. It's really a loss to those of us with engines on the brain that the no recording exists of the Crecy running. Considering the staggering power it generated, what thrilling aircraft could've been made.

  • @danielcgomez
    @danielcgomez Год назад

    VERY interesting video! THanks for this ...and yes, would be very interested heading down the rabbit holes of the other related content that you touched on. Thanks again!

  • @TamagoHead
    @TamagoHead Год назад +1

    Great Vid! Two stokes are very interesting air pumps, but are very RPM depending due to pulse resonances that start from the intake.

  • @jimmcmahon217
    @jimmcmahon217 Год назад +9

    Excellent presentation! This somewhat answers the question I've always had..."Why didn't the Brits do more to support Whittle's program?" The answer being that it really didn't appear to hold as much promise in the short term as some of the advanced ICE projects being carried out at RR, Bristol and Napier.

    • @grahamharrity9937
      @grahamharrity9937 Год назад +1

      A lot of the time especially after the war it was the stupid labor party, a lot of expertise came over to America

    • @wilburfinnigan2142
      @wilburfinnigan2142 Год назад

      The Brits brought the whittle engine to USA for research, development and PRODUCTION !!!!! Because the USA had more manufacturing capacity. GE did the development on the whittle and seen its limitations and developed their own axial floe design the J35 that went into production and it developed into the J47's !!! !

  • @Bugsworth
    @Bugsworth 5 месяцев назад

    Nice work. Thank you for the blast of two stroke! :-)

  • @dufus7396
    @dufus7396 Год назад +1

    If Rolls Royce ,Bristol and Napier had got together..what monsters the could have created

  • @marcstlaurent3719
    @marcstlaurent3719 Год назад +5

    Two stroke motorcycles are never super or turbo charged and few snowmobiles are , tuned exhaust will evacuate the cylinders which all two strokes have had for 50 years other than small utility engines , and I don’t know of a single two stroke that is throttled by fuel like a diesel. Btw that clip of a running two stroke was a GMC Detroit Diesel truck/industrial engine which does have a blower that fills the engine through ports but does not provide any boost and has four exhaust valves , maximum revs are 2300 but sound much higher hence the nickname “ screaming Jimmy “

    • @flavortown3781
      @flavortown3781 Год назад

      There is a guy on RUclips called 2stroke stuffing check him out

    • @MitzvosGolem1
      @MitzvosGolem1 Год назад

      True Expansion chamber and power valves on Modern MX bikes.

    • @marcstlaurent3719
      @marcstlaurent3719 Год назад

      @@MitzvosGolem1 true that except the KX500 never had more or a better power curve than the power valveless CR500 but that's not the case for everything else that was sold to the public that I'm aware of

    • @MitzvosGolem1
      @MitzvosGolem1 Год назад

      @@marcstlaurent3719 I had both bikes 1987 kx500 violent fast . Cr was smoother .True

    • @MitzvosGolem1
      @MitzvosGolem1 Год назад

      @@marcstlaurent3719 my point was the chamber initially not kips valve.

  • @joeanspach539
    @joeanspach539 4 месяца назад

    Just imagine getting into a dogfight with a plane equipped with this engine. Just hearing that banshee scream would be enough to make you want to bail out.

  • @robertwinsper7409
    @robertwinsper7409 Год назад +3

    Look at the history of the Napier Nomad.
    Using a piston engine as the gas generator in a compound engine was being looked at very seriously. In the case of the Nomad they tried re heating the exhaust gas that was driving the turbo compound recovery wheel. About 1000hp jumped onto the crankshaft.
    At this point they must have known it was basically all over for reciprocating engines. Someone must have said at some point "So if you chuck away all this uppity/downity, roundity, roundity stuff and replace it with a big blow lamp and run that through the recovery turbine you'd have a 1000hp engine just like that, what are we mucking about with here"?
    All the technology for the early jets and turboprops was there, it was only a matter of time.

    • @michaelf.2449
      @michaelf.2449 Год назад

      Yeah once they realized just how much simpler they could make this whole system once they figured out the mountain of a learning curve it makes dealing with Pistons, valves look ridiculous.

    • @madbrowndog4887
      @madbrowndog4887 Год назад

      The Nomad was aimed at achieving the lowest possible specific fuel consumption for its power output. In that regard it succeeded, but of course its complexity made it impractical. But as a piece of engineering, WOW! You just have to wonder about the mad geniuses that dreamed it up.

  • @joebonavita6935
    @joebonavita6935 9 месяцев назад

    Wow. What a time to be alive. The design of old aero engines is absolutely amazing.

  • @asya9493
    @asya9493 Год назад

    This is stunning. Thank you.

  • @jacks6423
    @jacks6423 Год назад

    Absolutely brilliant. Thank you!

  • @OldTimeyGraeme
    @OldTimeyGraeme 10 месяцев назад

    Fantastic video mate

  • @jwholmes2
    @jwholmes2 Год назад

    I’ve had the paperback version of Crecy book for years. An amazing engine story and One of my favorites! 👍🏾

  • @bobbysenterprises3220
    @bobbysenterprises3220 3 месяца назад

    The hardest part of flying through a flak barrage or not making the ineffective small jerky evasive maneuvers is finding a plane big enough to carry the balls it takes.

  • @MatthewDoye
    @MatthewDoye Год назад +2

    The Air Ministry were adamantly opposed to fuel injection in four stroke engines yet both Bristol and RR had access to the technology as the Crecy shows and it worked. At the end of the war the government was too scared to show its hand and deploy jet powered Meteors so basically the RAF was forced to fly with its metaphorical bootlaces tied together in the form of carburetted four strokes.

  • @stevefriswell5422
    @stevefriswell5422 Год назад

    Cracking piece. Well done.

  • @peceed
    @peceed Год назад

    Additional thrust from Crecy engine was not a net benefit: Excessive (many times more) air was needed to remove the combustion gases from the bulb-shaped combustion chamber, so it increased the supercharger load. Turbocharger and motorjet configurations were just playing around this inherent disadvantage. Btw. fuel injection doesn't leave unburnt fuel as in typical ww2 engine on rich mixture, Cracy had a lot of air in the fumes.
    2 stroke engine is the only application where sleeve-valve engines can have real advantages over poppet valves. Sleeves allow to use full stroke for power generation, not losing effective displacements for ports.
    2 stroke cycle allows to simplify engine timing for sleeves. It is very strange that the idea was not pushed earlier before the war.

  • @williammoore7928
    @williammoore7928 Год назад

    Keep the engine series up I love it

  • @jeffgaboury3157
    @jeffgaboury3157 Год назад +1

    Thank you so much for this video.

  • @cncshrops
    @cncshrops Год назад

    Excellent and fascinating stuff. It's a constant wonder how the engineers of the period were able to do so much in such a short time.

  • @rolanddutton4723
    @rolanddutton4723 Год назад

    Best video on the Crecy I've seen!

  • @apexmcboob5161
    @apexmcboob5161 Год назад +2

    Great video! I'm curious how the BSFC compared with the 4 strokes of the day. Especially once the un-burnt or partially burnt fuel in the exhaust was ignited and use for additional thrust.

  • @rtqii
    @rtqii Год назад

    In 1927, Harry Ricardo published a study on the concept of the sleeve valve engine. This was applied commercially by at least one automobile manufacturer. Ricardo was heavily involved in the development of the Napier Sabre engine (videos on this channel!) which also used sleeve valves. He was an engine genius who did not invent new engines really, he learned everything about every type of internal combustion engine, he played with hot-bulb two-stroke oil (diesel now, crude oil back then) engines, and he combined the best features that he saw in conventional engine technologies and design, into a new class of engines. The development of jet and turbojet engine technology completely changed the engine industry for many traditional piston engine companies in the aircraft industry. Wright, Pratt and Whitney, and others either went out of business, were bought up, or completely changed their business models.

  • @MagicSpermWhale96
    @MagicSpermWhale96 Год назад

    Finally, my flight dojo fix has been met 😭 its been so long meed more VIDS!!!

  • @kennethwoods9804
    @kennethwoods9804 Год назад

    Grate Presentation !

  • @aldionsylkaj9654
    @aldionsylkaj9654 Год назад

    Fuck yes! I'm so happy you covered this engine. I'll re-watch it at home at first chance.

  • @iskandartaib
    @iskandartaib Год назад +1

    There IS an excellent book on the Crecy, available from the Rolls Royce Heritage Trust- I have a copy of it. The company Ricardo founded is still at it, by the way, doing research on advanced engines - I listened to a talk some years ago given by one of their engineers, he talked about advances in car and truck engines, compared petrol vs. diesels, and mentioned that they were experimenting on an engine that convert between four and two stroke operation on the fly. Blown two strokes are actually pretty common.. these days they're mainly large diesels (trucks, trains, maybe ships). In the context of WW2 aero engines supercharging was always present in any case, so it wouldn't have been a big deal in terms of an engine that absolutely needed one to run. They ran into a LOT of problems getting the Crecy to run reliably - mainly cooling of the pistons - remember there was the sleeve valve to keep heat from flowing away from the piston. One thing they tried (among others) was pumping oil up the conrods and spraying it under the cylinder skirt. According to the book it was the most unreliable engine Rolls Royce had ever worked on, including the Vulture. The latter part of the book was more speculative, about using engines like the Crecy (scaled down) as "cores" for turbines, and also the fighter they (Rolls Royce!) were developing for the Crecy - it was to use Mustang wings (in abundant supply) with a fuselage where the engine was mounted behind the pilot, and the pilot sat right behind the propeller (kind of P-39 style except even more radical). It got to the mock-up stage before the war ended and cancelled everything. I think you can still order this book.

    • @iskandartaib
      @iskandartaib Год назад

      Incidentally the RRHT also has a book about fitting the Mustang with the Merlin. It was quite a bit more complicated that you'd think - lots of plumbing issues. Rolls Royce was tasked with this job, they came up with the Mustang X (I think two built) before the effort was moved to the US.

  • @fortboy66
    @fortboy66 Год назад +1

    Imagine this engine in a Martin Baker MB5 aeroplane , a real combination of beauty and the beast!

  • @glennpowell3444
    @glennpowell3444 Год назад

    Fantastic content to someone like me.The Crecy 2 stroke made huge sense .Also you talked about carberation which is a whole topic in itself.So many ways to achieve an end result.Do you simply lift a needle with the same mass air flow or do you lift the needle/s and have an adjustable mass air flow and at what ratio do you achieve that?Weber seemed to achieve that in the auto industry but then you need to adjust mixture and needle opening times off the same cable linkage.A topic that few care about now because the carb.is a thing of the past largely.

  • @MARGATEorcMAULER
    @MARGATEorcMAULER Год назад +1

    I would love to hear that engine fitted with expansion chamber's!!! A 12 cylinder 2-stroke no way

  • @danmcdonald9117
    @danmcdonald9117 Год назад

    Just realised I have watched this 3 times now. Great!

  • @lukewise1227
    @lukewise1227 3 месяца назад

    What a shame the Crecy never made its way into the Westland Whirlwind, replacing the highly troublesome Rolls Royce Peregrine engines that required much maintenance and lost large amounts of power at altitude. It may have become as popular as the Mosquito or the P-38 as a twin engine fighter. Well done on the video, covered everything in depth and left me with few questions regarding the engine. 👍

  • @ekim000
    @ekim000 Год назад

    The idea that Whittle's Power Jets received less money in total than was expended on sleeve valve development does my head in. Fantastic content, thank you!

  • @robr1656
    @robr1656 Год назад

    Great description and presentation.

  • @erikjehle217
    @erikjehle217 3 месяца назад

    Great info. Thanks!

  • @ElyRodriguez92
    @ElyRodriguez92 Год назад

    Great vid dude

  • @Biketunerfy
    @Biketunerfy Год назад +2

    I really enjoyed that. Sat in front of tv with my dad and a few beers watching British ingenuity at its finest. The British have always been some of the best engine builders in the world they even build engines for motoring sports still today and build some of the best jet engines in the world so Rolls Royce still pumping out industry leading technological marvels. Id love to see some of this engine technology transferred to racing car engines that might kick off a new breed of racing engines.

  • @guard13007
    @guard13007 Год назад +3

    Oh gosh, please do cover early jet power! :D
    (I happen to have a book that might be useful for some of that. No idea if it's common info or not though.)

  • @TJH1
    @TJH1 Год назад +2

    Grand stuff!

  • @randomname4726
    @randomname4726 Год назад

    You have the production quality of a multi million sub count. Great work.

  • @martindice5424
    @martindice5424 Год назад

    Very interesting.
    Cheers guys 👍👍

  • @kevatut23
    @kevatut23 Год назад

    Just love your videos. Where else can an aeronautical design engineer, with a forty plus year avocation of building high performance motorcycles and cars, get to nirvana with merely a click.
    Thanks so much for the quality work.

  • @davidhughes838
    @davidhughes838 Год назад

    Excellent. Subscribed 🤘

  • @scottpace8794
    @scottpace8794 Год назад

    Great content super enjoyable to watch.

  • @bravo0105
    @bravo0105 Год назад

    I had no idea; THANK-YOU!

  • @robertandrewbaptie3006
    @robertandrewbaptie3006 Год назад

    That was awesome that mate cheers

  • @Red-Magic
    @Red-Magic Год назад +1

    Damn, that Detroit, and presumably the Crecy, would've sounded awesome. Would be nice to hear it in a plane...

  • @malakiblunt
    @malakiblunt Год назад +1

    that detroit diesil had so ,much valve noise - were as sleve valves are notable for being very quite - so the crecy would of been all exhaust (note the bristol Beaufighter was called whispering death because its sleve valve radials (4 stroke ) were so quite

  • @john-7457
    @john-7457 Год назад

    good detailed video 👌

  • @petenikolic5244
    @petenikolic5244 Год назад

    Be nice to see someone actually take on the build of a "Crecy" just to to see it run and hear one

  • @kennethm.pricejr.8921
    @kennethm.pricejr.8921 Год назад +1

    It seems there is no end to the different types of combustion piston engines that have been developed since 1857 (when Drake's Well hit oil).

  • @jonwatkins254
    @jonwatkins254 Год назад

    Great Video!

  • @henrycarlson7514
    @henrycarlson7514 11 месяцев назад

    So Wise , Thank You .

  • @shaunwalker2557
    @shaunwalker2557 Год назад +1

    can you imagine what Reginald Mitchell or Sydney Camm would have built around it....

  • @billbright1755
    @billbright1755 5 месяцев назад

    The Germans were hitting on the concept of a sprint interception type platform as well.
    They took the approach of liquid two component rocket fuel to be mixed in combustion chamber exhaust exit. Fuel consumption was deleted from consideration in as much to get maximum scramble to high altitude in rapid rate of climb.
    The craft took off on jettisoning landing wheels and relied on a deployment of a spring skid ski to land. The idea was to get to bomber stream hit an attack aircraft and dead stick the craft anywhere offering a suitable landing field.
    Extremely risky but boy could that thing climb. Pretty much vertical to thirty thousand feet.

  • @dantupper1784
    @dantupper1784 Год назад

    Good research!
    Very interesting engine.

  • @ilyazhorov2964
    @ilyazhorov2964 Год назад +1

    I'm a simple dude ,when i see a flight dojo video,i hit the like button

  • @d.jerrycook2994
    @d.jerrycook2994 Год назад

    Very good... Thanks