agreed. people in rock bands today are quick to cite black sabbath as being the inventor of all metal music but they do not go back far enough. this ONE song has just about every metal riff i enjoy on the guitar in it
Thank you for posting this. There is so much joy and beauty in Beethoven's lesser known sonatas. It's almost as though he were sitting at the piano, improvising, reflecting on the beauty he (and uniquely he) was able to wrest from the world.
I think this may be my favorite Beethoven sonata of all! Absolutely exceptional! I would learn it but I don't want to ruin my enjoyment of it. Maybe later.
Noah Johnson That's really funny. I remember it was being forced to learn the Barcarolle and Ballade #1 in 8th grade that got me into Chopin to begin with. I don't think it's a coincidence that they do very little for me now.
emlmm88 I don't think a 12 year old boy can fully understand the barcarolle. The 1st ballade also. Maybe that's why it's ruined. You should sue your teacher
Heh, I still play them today sometimes, but I always preferred the 4th. Much more melancholic and raw: perfect piece for a somber child. I'd imagine I wasn't much fun to be around lol.
My college piano prof argued the 3rd period didn't begin until Op 101. I contended there was enough going on in this one that removed it from the 2nd period. The thing is, you can find traces of what we would consider 3rd period inwardness and spiritual or emotional content gradually coming out of the second period, especially in works like the Op 70 trios, and the piano sonatas Op 78 and 81.
I loved playing the first movement. Such a satisfying and impactful piece that had so much to listen for! The contrast was always a lot of fun to bring out. The second movement was pretty too, but had a softer and more repetitive sound.
I have often referred to Beethoven's last FIVE great piano sonatas (Op. 101, 106, 109, 110 and 111). But now, thanks to Andras Schiff, Daniel Barenboim and Vladimir Ashkenazy, I must definitely add to this list the E-minor sonata, Op. 90.
What about the ode to joy, für elise, pastorale symphony, 8th symphony opening, 7th symphony allegretto, his eroica theme, first and third cello sonatas first movements, his numerous actual songs etc etc etc?
in this particular sonata it is a statement of Beethoven saying in music a goodbye to his middle and early musical period and here he goes to join God in the creation of more humane world
Yes, the similarities in the structure in this sonata and Op. 111, most notably the minor-major (stormy, violent - divine, ecstatic) contrast between the movements, kinda emphasize the farewell nature they both have. As you said, this sonata is a goodbye to the early and middle Herioc periods, whereas Op.111 is the farewell to the sonata form, the piano sonata type music as a whole. Each of their second movement also evokes a sense of departure.
The fingerings are there to act as a guide, they are not compulsory. Due to different hand shapes and sizes it would be impossible for some to play an octave with the thumb and forth finger but they are showing what desired touch is needed at that point (mainly a good legato)
This was one of my ABRSM grade 8 pieces about 15 years ago... I never took the exam but still happily play through it (well, sight reading) for pleasure 😁
uuuh nope. Its the music of schubert that is beethoven-like. Sorry for you but schubert came after beethoven and he always said that beethoven is his model btw, c if you dont like schubert you dont like beethoven.
actually, Schubert's sonata in Eminor D566 for me is inspired in this one, the second movement of both are so alike, of course, Schubert wanted to compose at the shadow of the monster who was Beethoven.
@@fluxvital you're wrong twice 1: even if schubert came after, it's possible to say this is the most shubert like piece beethoven has 2: you can dislike schubert and like beethoven (or the other way around)
The second movement may be the most beautiful thing B. ever wrote. I find references to metal rock in the comments strange. Yes, rock bands use material from the past - it would be hard not to - but what rock band has ever played anything as beautiful and sensitive as this? Another under-appreciated sonata is the F# major "A Therese"
Although the first movement was interpreted with major tempi fluctuation, the context made sense. The second movement, on the other hand might appear as being slightly faster, as the title of both the movements indicates symmetry and contrast in a way. Some may argue that the tempi indication does not dictate so but the decisions Ashkenazy made corresponded well with the semiotics behind this sonata- which expresses episodes of relieve in the midst of struggle and irrationality.
I have just started practicing this piece. I too was surprised by this. I was expecting the problems to be elsewhere. I was wondering how I could make mistakes playing just those. Another reason for some humility :)
@@maxgregorycompositions6216 There are at least two other 2 movement Sonata's--Both came before this one. Opus 54 and Opus 78 and my fave is Opus 78. Check it out,.
ok coming back after i learned it and forgot how to play it well at all i have accepted that i will never play a sonata as cool as this one ever again and that i will never be able to get this back under my hands ever again
It's interesting that the fingering positions are noted. One would expect that on a composition of this complexity the performer would know how to finger the chords and arpeggios.
This is weird. I have a Schirmer edition of this sonata and another; both with minor differences in not only this sonata, but several others including op79 and 106. My guess is that Beethoven's handwriting was so illegible that those who interpreted it had disagreements that are still undecided upon today.
+emlmm88 Try checking with the Neue Gesamtausgabe (ed. by top Beethoven scholars, published by Henle Verlag). That is perhaps the most authoritative historically critical version, but of course as of many human sciences (history), some of the things we cannot be absolutely certain.
How should i play intervals over an octave with my left hand? Especially when there are three notes? Should i play it like arpeggio? I dont see other way
Yes, I play the piano too, and I have very small hands (my teacher even said to me I was going to suffer if I was to continue with that instrument, and I have, lol). Some parts, as the one you have pointed out, I have to play like arpeggio. It's sad, but... you know, it's life, what can we do? I just wish my hands were bigger, but I am fortunate to be able to play after all. (Chopin is another one who gets me on my nerves with things I can play simultaniously, and have to do arpeggio, lol)
Pedro Furtado you´ve so much luck to be in struggle, while you try to perform this Kind of musik. just because you don´t even know it. i wish i could play just 3notes in a rawe. arpeggio....? what is arpeggio? you´re complaining about small Hands. i´ve a small knowledge. but i feel so-..no!- too,-much, listening beethovens compositions.
Ethan Mitchell I wonder sometimes that many of them would compose something even himself wouldn't be able to play it well (we may remember Schumman, who couldn't play his own compositions and some have pointed out how this was an a appealing to make difficult music).
Pedro Furtado Yes, indeed! I noticed with Scriabin's 5th etude from Op. 42 that there are many stretches of major 10ths and so on. And Ravel did not feel capable of performing some of his too. You are very right.
I don't see fingering markings as though as they're intended for a less competent pianist. I see them more as a preferred fingering due to character. Perhaps these composers saw character in certain fingerings as others did in keys? I haven't studied into it. Just speculation.
Why would people prefer the second movement? Because it has one of those great Beethoven melodies at its core. Like many of his Andante movements, it is lyrical. My one disagreement with this interpretation is that it is played too fast. The instructions at the top of the page specifically tells the pianist ‘not too fast; like a song.’
I dont know why but it is rated as one of the more difficult sonatas. I disagree and have played it. The second movement is mostly sight readable. The first is difficult in the section with 10ths in the left hand and then a few measures for the right hand right before the recapitulation.
@@bw2082 I played it in my 3rd year of college and I could barely play those 10ths. This is NOT a piece for every pianist although I really liked both movements. I will never know why my piano teacher thought I could play this Sonata.
This sonata should be more known.
Don't worry... She is .
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agreed. people in rock bands today are quick to cite black sabbath as being the inventor of all metal music but they do not go back far enough. this ONE song has just about every metal riff i enjoy on the guitar in it
agreed! this is just proto-rock
she?
That Recall…
That recall in the 1st movement coda…
How????? It went straight through my heart like a sword!!!!
Thank you for posting this. There is so much joy and beauty in Beethoven's lesser known sonatas. It's almost as though he were sitting at the piano, improvising, reflecting on the beauty he (and uniquely he) was able to wrest from the world.
I think this may be my favorite Beethoven sonata of all! Absolutely exceptional!
I would learn it but I don't want to ruin my enjoyment of it. Maybe later.
yeah ik how it is like you love a piece but then when you play it you don't like it any more
Noah Johnson maybe it isn't the same but if you get deep enough into the piece you find new things hidden within it.
Noah Johnson That's really funny. I remember it was being forced to learn the Barcarolle and Ballade #1 in 8th grade that got me into Chopin to begin with. I don't think it's a coincidence that they do very little for me now.
emlmm88 I don't think a 12 year old boy can fully understand the barcarolle. The 1st ballade also. Maybe that's why it's ruined. You should sue your teacher
Heh, I still play them today sometimes, but I always preferred the 4th. Much more melancholic and raw: perfect piece for a somber child. I'd imagine I wasn't much fun to be around lol.
Opus 90 & opus 101 were the start to the journey or Era of the sublime late Beethoven and his tremendous influence on every composer who came after
My college piano prof argued the 3rd period didn't begin until Op 101. I contended there was enough going on in this one that removed it from the 2nd period. The thing is, you can find traces of what we would consider 3rd period inwardness and spiritual or emotional content gradually coming out of the second period, especially in works like the Op 70 trios, and the piano sonatas Op 78 and 81.
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I loved playing the first movement. Such a satisfying and impactful piece that had so much to listen for! The contrast was always a lot of fun to bring out. The second movement was pretty too, but had a softer and more repetitive sound.
It repeats because it is a rondo
The second movement is divine :-)
perfect interpretation of this amazing little sonata.
It´s amazing this piece is just under 14 minutes, and it feels like a lifetime!
Definitely does when you’re practising it
@@hannahthespanner7923lol I agree😂
I have often referred to Beethoven's last FIVE great piano sonatas (Op. 101, 106, 109, 110 and 111). But now, thanks to Andras Schiff, Daniel Barenboim and Vladimir Ashkenazy, I must definitely add to this list the E-minor sonata, Op. 90.
Only 26 to go!
Search here in YT for the full recording of all of Beethoven's sonatas, by Claudio Arrau.
All 32 are great
Beethoven è il top del top
The second movement is arguably Beethoven's most singable melody.
What about the ode to joy, für elise, pastorale symphony, 8th symphony opening, 7th symphony allegretto, his eroica theme, first and third cello sonatas first movements, his numerous actual songs etc etc etc?
it certainly belongs to the top, but I think 2nd movement of the 8th sonata gets the cake
SpaghettiToaster what about call them pieces and not songs?
Ale Piano He referred to his ‚Songs‘, maybe more known as ,Lieder‘ ;)
@@alee8685 Songs are sung, so "songs" is appropriate in this case.
What a mighty and beautiful piano sonata that great Beethoven composed!
Quelle forte et belle sonate pour piano composa ce grand Beethoven !
I learnt this piece 5+ years ago, and it always feels differe nt to come back to it :) Like going home...
THAT'S GREAT! I've Learnt to play classic guitar style
the master exhibiting his perfection of old-style expression before being able to enter the new world of his later works
Una de las mejores y mas infravaloradas obras de beethoven.
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+Jože Ws I think you must culture yourself of what is really a sonata.
+Jože Ws Nice reply.
+Jože Ws Can you tell me what you hate so much in this mouvement ?
Mega Nega who hates what in which movement why?
Mega Nega all replies are gone lol
Oh my god, this Sonata is a beauty. Never heard it before :O
I'm in complete awe of this divine music!
That second move is SO SATISFYING to play!
To round that up, a very individual approach, but with due respect to the greatness of the music and the composer.
in this particular sonata it is a statement of Beethoven saying in music a goodbye to his middle and early musical period and here he goes to join God in the creation of more humane world
Yes, the similarities in the structure in this sonata and Op. 111, most notably the minor-major (stormy, violent - divine, ecstatic) contrast between the movements, kinda emphasize the farewell nature they both have. As you said, this sonata is a goodbye to the early and middle Herioc periods, whereas Op.111 is the farewell to the sonata form, the piano sonata type music as a whole. Each of their second movement also evokes a sense of departure.
I found this song while looking for a song to learn and I love it
The fingerings are there to act as a guide, they are not compulsory. Due to different hand shapes and sizes it would be impossible for some to play an octave with the thumb and forth finger but they are showing what desired touch is needed at that point (mainly a good legato)
This sonata was composed during the transitional period between Beethoven's "middle" and "late" periods.
i love this sonata so much
amazing clarity..
My teacher told me that some say this sonata is a fight between a husband and his wife and I think it's a very beautiful picture!
The first movement is the best thing ever
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Tysm! I was looking for this comment!
This was one of my ABRSM grade 8 pieces about 15 years ago... I never took the exam but still happily play through it (well, sight reading) for pleasure 😁
Hey, Israeli pianist here, can I ask what ABRSM means? Just curious
@@ThatPianist Associated Board for the Royal School of Music
I knew the theme from the first movement for a long time but never could've guessed it was from here. I actually liked the sonata more than i thought
A Beethoven classic :)
Set piece for my Music O Level in 1981, along with St Paul’s Suite by Holtz and Dido and Aeneas
The second movement for me is the most Schubert-like piece Beethoven wrote.
that's why it suck lol
uuuh nope. Its the music of schubert that is beethoven-like. Sorry for you but schubert came after beethoven and he always said that beethoven is his model
btw, c if you dont like schubert you dont like beethoven.
If someone asked me my favorite Schubert sonata I'd say Beethoven's op 90 ;)
actually, Schubert's sonata in Eminor D566 for me is inspired in this one, the second movement of both are so alike, of course, Schubert wanted to compose at the shadow of the monster who was Beethoven.
@@fluxvital you're wrong twice
1: even if schubert came after, it's possible to say this is the most shubert like piece beethoven has
2: you can dislike schubert and like beethoven (or the other way around)
The second movement may be the most beautiful thing B. ever wrote. I find references to metal rock in the comments strange. Yes, rock bands use material from the past - it would be hard not to - but what rock band has ever played anything as beautiful and sensitive as this? Another under-appreciated sonata is the F# major "A Therese"
Close your eyes and let it carry you away into becoming a better being!
Perfect...the best with Barenboim for me...❤
Am I the only one who prefers the first movement to the second?
ur not
I also love the first more. it´s so full of contrast
Both are ingenious. There are all Mendelssohn's "songs without words" in the 2nd one.
I prefers the same with you. I like the rhythm and the sadness underlying in the 1st movement. (Not the right English term to describe)
All right, e minor, yeah!
😂😂😂😂😂😂
The enigmatic beauty of the Opus 90...aural Mona Lisa.
GENIUS
Although the first movement was interpreted with major tempi fluctuation, the context made sense. The second movement, on the other hand might appear as being slightly faster, as the title of both the movements indicates symmetry and contrast in a way. Some may argue that the tempi indication does not dictate so but the decisions Ashkenazy made corresponded well with the semiotics behind this sonata- which expresses episodes of relieve in the midst of struggle and irrationality.
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Could be my favourite sound made by anything ever
Piece*
No I think he meant sound.
SpaghettiToaster Lol I see now this comment I made a year ago 😂 and you may actually be right
Beautiful second movement
wow i kind of like this piece ! :) i'll print out to practice :) good for training my sightreading and speed-wise on the piano :D
Breathe taking...
35 dislikes???!!
Love this piece.
I really like this performance♬
What an extraordinary piece
Es un gusto escuchar esta música, te transporta a otro mundo.✨
Very energetic.
Beethoven - Jego dzieła są nieśmiertelne i przetrwają wieki.
Such a great sonata!
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Ashkenazy + Beethoven? 100% ❤❤❤❤
I never realised how tricky the left hand accompaniment at 1:22 was. And I have relatively large hands.
The first movement needs a nimble left hand.
The first movement has been set for grade 8 ABRSM before, it's not too bad.
I have just started practicing this piece. I too was surprised by this. I was expecting the problems to be elsewhere. I was wondering how I could make mistakes playing just those. Another reason for some humility :)
It's a pain to get right 😂
On Beethoven’s piano a 7th was equal to our octave. When my teacher told me this, I realized why that part is so difficult.
Is the first movement played by Ashkenazy and the second one by Riccardo Zadra? Or both by Ashkenazy? Thank you very much!
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Mher Ishkan also known as 3:00
Only 2 movements?
Yes.
@@maxgregorycompositions6216 There are at least two other 2 movement Sonata's--Both came before this one. Opus 54 and Opus 78 and my fave is Opus 78. Check it out,.
I feel anger,then joy
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2mov is good!
Late beethoven is so much like brahms!
In fact Brahms is much like late Beethoven.
+Sepehr Keyhani yup!
+15kwakmatthew So fast reply! you are always online? :)
+Sepehr Keyhani nope just happened to get a notification about your reply
Brahms has nothing to do besides Beethoven.
i wish i could play it this well :(
ok coming back after i learned it and forgot how to play it well at all i have accepted that i will never play a sonata as cool as this one ever again and that i will never be able to get this back under my hands ever again
@@KatM26 aw your quite harsh on yourself...
Je ne comprends pas la répétition des accords de fondamentale en si mineur à 1:55. C'est une curieuse gestion rythmique.
Alguien tiene el análisis armónico Melo digo y rítmico?
When was this recorded?
It's interesting that the fingering positions are noted. One would expect that on a composition of this complexity the performer would know how to finger the chords and arpeggios.
nice but i think u made a mistake on 4:19 it is supposed to be c sharp:)
I think the video is correct in this case, according to my score.
This is weird. I have a Schirmer edition of this sonata and another; both with minor differences in not only this sonata, but several others including op79 and 106. My guess is that Beethoven's handwriting was so illegible that those who interpreted it had disagreements that are still undecided upon today.
+emlmm88 Try checking with the Neue Gesamtausgabe (ed. by top Beethoven scholars, published by Henle Verlag). That is perhaps the most authoritative historically critical version, but of course as of many human sciences (history), some of the things we cannot be absolutely certain.
II mvto is Rondo right?
How should i play intervals over an octave with my left hand? Especially when there are three notes? Should i play it like arpeggio? I dont see other way
Yes, I play the piano too, and I have very small hands (my teacher even said to me I was going to suffer if I was to continue with that instrument, and I have, lol). Some parts, as the one you have pointed out, I have to play like arpeggio. It's sad, but... you know, it's life, what can we do? I just wish my hands were bigger, but I am fortunate to be able to play after all.
(Chopin is another one who gets me on my nerves with things I can play simultaniously, and have to do arpeggio, lol)
Pedro Furtado you´ve so much luck to be in struggle, while you try to perform this Kind of musik. just because you don´t even know it. i wish i could play just 3notes in a rawe. arpeggio....? what is arpeggio? you´re complaining about small Hands. i´ve a small knowledge.
but i feel so-..no!- too,-much, listening beethovens compositions.
Scriabin had very small hands - he could only play an octave's stretch. And look at all of the *broken chord* figurations in his piano music!
Ethan Mitchell I wonder sometimes that many of them would compose something even himself wouldn't be able to play it well (we may remember Schumman, who couldn't play his own compositions and some have pointed out how this was an a appealing to make difficult music).
Pedro Furtado Yes, indeed! I noticed with Scriabin's 5th etude from Op. 42 that there are many stretches of major 10ths and so on. And Ravel did not feel capable of performing some of his too. You are very right.
4:27 it's just too virtuose, what a tension
I don't see fingering markings as though as they're intended for a less competent pianist. I see them more as a preferred fingering due to character. Perhaps these composers saw character in certain fingerings as others did in keys? I haven't studied into it. Just speculation.
It indicates a certain way they want the sound to come out
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Nisan ak sevgiler❤
Davvero rozza l'esecuzione...
Why would people prefer the second movement? Because it has one of those great Beethoven melodies at its core. Like many of his Andante movements, it is lyrical. My one disagreement with this interpretation is that it is played too fast. The instructions at the top of the page specifically tells the pianist ‘not too fast; like a song.’
Some people sing faster than others
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where is the 3rd mov.?
This sonate doesn't have 3rd mov.
My life is ruined
Luca Camagna HAHAHAHHA
This sonata doesn't NEED 3rd movement ;)
You should read the cute little story behind this sonata. You'd see that it only needs these two movements. Assuming the story is true.
ridiculously heavy-handed when he should be at his most tender - not acceptable!
Friedrich Gulda...the best performing of this sonata...
Why are you here then?
VERY VERY VERY THANK YOU
i’m sorry but the middle ads are just so dumb.
literally the ending of the first movement got ruined by some honkai star rail loud ass ad, holy
118 dislikes?How Come?
naprawdę dobra sonata
I'm Amazed by Ashkenazy learning vast amounts of music, but I never ever liked his tone
eigentlich mag ich so musik nicht (mehr so romantik bzw moderne) aber das ist dann doch ziemlich geil :)
한국인,,,,?
Its hard?
Yes.
Nah
I dont know why but it is rated as one of the more difficult sonatas. I disagree and have played it. The second movement is mostly sight readable. The first is difficult in the section with 10ths in the left hand and then a few measures for the right hand right before the recapitulation.
@@bw2082 I played it in my 3rd year of college and I could barely play those 10ths. This is NOT a piece for every pianist although I really liked both movements. I will never know why my piano teacher thought I could play this Sonata.
Its actually notoriously difficult for me
jajaja "Ashkenazy"!
Ashquehitleriano
common tempo is 10% faster.
grade A1 shit
I love Beethoven & I think he is the Greatest Composer to Ever Live, but this sonata has never done anything for me. I just...don’t like it. 😔
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