RISC OS On Raspberry Pi

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  • @matthehat
    @matthehat 5 лет назад +16

    RiscOS was the first GUI-based OS I ever used. The Acorn A3000s we had at school were truly amazing machines. My dad had a PC compatible at the time and I remember it blew his mind seeing them on parents evening. I still occasionally use RiscOS today on my Archimedes A440 whenever I fancy playing PacMania

  • @twoshedsjackson6478
    @twoshedsjackson6478 5 лет назад +44

    This video took me back to 1973 and writing BASIC programs on a teletype ( no visual display in those days ) connected between my school and the Hatfield Polytechnic DEC System 10. I must have been among the very earliest children taught "Computer Science".

    • @sayresyDevino
      @sayresyDevino 5 лет назад

      class of '78' here and I did ye olde computational magical elictrickery studies too... Been great seeing the technological advancement through the years. I still look at my setup in disbelief at times, lol

    • @roundel52
      @roundel52 5 лет назад +3

      I've been waiting for this video for a while. I had an Archimedes back in 1987, and it is amazing that a sub £20 machine now, runs RISC OS faster than the £1200 machine the OS and the ARM chip was invented for.

    • @sidewinder666666
      @sidewinder666666 5 лет назад

      You (and I) were, Frogmella..... I graduated High School in 1974, was programming in BASIC the prior year in the first "Computer Science" class my school offered. Wrote the programs on punch tapes using a teletype, then used acoustic coupler to the T.I.E.S. HP2000C2 system to run the programs and get the output.

    • @bob_._.
      @bob_._. 5 лет назад +2

      My school went that route early 1970, so I had 2.5 years with BASIC and XBASIC by graduation in '72.

    • @jonathanmaybury5698
      @jonathanmaybury5698 5 лет назад +2

      @@GoIdenApple That's because he does that thing where he pauses between bits of information, so that the information sinks in better, and it works well too!

  • @willyarma_uk
    @willyarma_uk 5 лет назад +25

    Yay RISC OS. I was beginning to think you were ignoring it but that was a great video and demonstrated it quite nicely. I'm very pleased you covered it. I had an Archimedes from 1990 (and a BBC before that) and spent every day programming it when I was a teenager. I still have those original computers.

    • @barneyrubble5633
      @barneyrubble5633 5 лет назад

      Still have mine as well

    • @stuartofblyth
      @stuartofblyth 5 лет назад +2

      Same here. A capacitor in my Model B's power supply blew up recently, but it's a common fault and there's a repair kit readily available.
      tinyurl.com/ycj55bgt
      A pity Interdictor II is missing from the App Store!

    • @willyarma_uk
      @willyarma_uk 5 лет назад

      Yep that happened to me, a very loud buzz and the most acrid smell ever, kept working tho! I found a kit online.

  • @mjdxp5688
    @mjdxp5688 5 лет назад +141

    I really love these alternate operating system videos, they really give an interesting look on the possibilities there could have been for operating systems today.

    • @THAT.RANDOM.GUY_
      @THAT.RANDOM.GUY_ 5 лет назад +4

      Perhaps someday we can have these OSs on distinct platforms. You never know. ;)

    • @ericwood3709
      @ericwood3709 3 года назад +1

      Yep. I kind of wish Apple would have managed to modernize their "classic" pre-Darwin Mac OS. It was a very elegant system that was just dogged by its lack of protected memory and preemptive multitasking, meaning that the whole system would often lock up if some bit of software misbehaved and having multiple apps running could be a real exercise in patience.

  • @SussexHistory
    @SussexHistory 5 лет назад +45

    I know it seems like a toy, but programming in BBC Basic under RISC OS is a much simpler way to develop for an embedded system. Whereas under Linux you'd have to develop in C, compile it, test it, compile it, test it, under RISC OS you can use the GPIO library with BBC Basic and it'll work just as fast! The topic of your next video is "Controlling LEDs with the Raspberry Pi using RISC OS"! Have fun!

    • @BernardUK
      @BernardUK 5 лет назад +4

      ​ ExplainingComputers : Yes, please do!

    • @beholder2012
      @beholder2012 Год назад +1

      Under Linux there is alternative: you can install TCC (Tiny C Compiler) which allows to treat source C-files like kind of „script” files provided that a) You set them executable, and b) You place in their very first line such kind of invocation: „#!/usr/bin/tcc -run” (optionally with additional arguments required for compilation on the fly, like „-lX11 -lpthread” for example).
      TCC is so fast, that there were even successful attempts to compile Linux kernel on the fly (well, it was at the time of 2.x or 3.x kernel line AFAIR). And it produces much smaller binary than GCC. OTOH there are a few situations when GCC is clearly better.

    • @AllensTrains
      @AllensTrains Год назад +1

      @@beholder2012 I don't know how RISC OS is doing these days. You might like to make a video explaining this point in more detail. Thanks for replying.

  • @kjamison5951
    @kjamison5951 5 лет назад +2

    Thank you, Christopher. I found this informative as well as entertaining.
    I was introduced to RiscOS 2 in 1995 when I began working at a school. It was quite an intuitive system and although I was unfamiliar with it, I soon understood how to get the best from it.
    The biggest problem by far was the lack of printer drivers. Most new printers came with Windows or MacOS drivers. Our local Education Support Centre had to code drivers from scratch and then release them to schools - it usually involved a twenty minute drive to the centre to pick up the floppy disks. On the plus side, I got to have a conversation with one of the IT guys with whom I had been to FE college.
    The other problem was teachers in that department buying printers and then asking me to install them in classrooms. My first question was if they had driver disks for that printer and the answer was usually “Isn’t that your job to create the drivers?”
    Of course, it wasn’t. One printer sat in its box for three months until the IT support guys received enough requests for a driver to be written. They were busy guys and didn’t turn out drivers unless there was enough demand.
    Thankfully a shift in how IT was delivered in schools saw the Archimedes systems consigned to recycling while Windows XP computers replaced them and a new IT guy at the school took over.

  • @39Kohm
    @39Kohm 5 лет назад +21

    I remember using RISCOS in school, I could not understand why anyone would ever use a PC at the time

  • @drhlucas
    @drhlucas 5 лет назад +1

    What a trip down memory lane. I grew up with an A410 and an A3000 running RISC OS 4 and have very fond memories of playing all sorts games on them. Twin World and Zool were two of my faves. My dad switched to Mac in 1995 but at least one of those machines lived on and some years later my grandmother wrote her thesis on it.

  • @cdl0
    @cdl0 5 лет назад +25

    To keep the desktop tidy, open things using the right button, which closes the parent. Closing things with the right button will open the parent, and if I remember correctly, if you click on the close icon while holding either shift or ctrl (I don't remember which) then the parent opens without closing the child.
    The apps are directories (folders) that contain their resources, which generally follow a set structure. Hold down the shift key and double-click to open them instead of running them. There is normally a script called !Run that does whatever is needed to run an app, and another called !Boot that deals with the preliminaries when an app is first seen by the file manager. The icon images for the app are in a file called !Sprites. Installing apps is simply a case of copying the whole directory, and uninstalling is done by deleting the folder.

    • @ExplainingComputers
      @ExplainingComputers  5 лет назад +6

      Really interesting and really useful info, thanks. I read up as much as I could, but did not get this far! :) The right button open thing sounds neat. I will dig into the app folders too.

  • @theastrogamer710
    @theastrogamer710 5 лет назад +207

    British Bill Gates is back at it again!

  • @BernardUK
    @BernardUK 5 лет назад +2

    I've just looked through most of the comments here and added a new Reply to several where I though a useful note might be added. I realise that the original posters will be unlikely to return here, but it's possible that you, Chris, may resume coverage of RISC OS at some point, and I would encourage that :-)
    It's quite interesting how certain usability themes recur, and I've tried to rebut the misconceptions, as well as bringing issues of wi-fi and RISC OS hardware other than the Pi up to date. One or two other real users of the OS have done likewise, I'm pleased to see.
    The annual London RISC OS Show is happening tomorrow (26-Oct-2019) so we'll get all the latest updates, and perhaps be able to discuss the feasibility of producing our own RISC OS videos to complement this one of yours.
    Thanks, again, for giving RISC OS some oxygen of publicity. It looks like it was well worth the effort.

    • @ExplainingComputers
      @ExplainingComputers  5 лет назад

      Thanks for contributing to the comments here. This video is still generating steady traffic, so the comments are a useful resource. :)

  • @Abdulla79
    @Abdulla79 5 лет назад +3

    119MB for a whole OS? this alone make happy and excited, this video more than anything else remind me of the geeky years of the late 80s and the 90s, thank you sir, you gave me a reason to buy the Pi.

    • @cdl0
      @cdl0 5 лет назад +3

      The bare OS is under 4 MB. All the rest is bundled apps, resources, and other goodies.

    • @Abdulla79
      @Abdulla79 5 лет назад +2

      That's impressive, which makes me ask why Windows 10 need 18GB of space?

    • @onion2445
      @onion2445 5 лет назад

      ​@@Abdulla79 A massive, decades-old codebase with an insane amount of legacy support and backwards compatibility.

    • @Abdulla79
      @Abdulla79 5 лет назад

      Yeah i know that but i think there is more to it than that, and i think it's time to start new OS, offer legacy compatibility as a emulator for those who need it.

  • @jonathanthompson1184
    @jonathanthompson1184 5 лет назад +1

    Really good software, spotted it on the NOOBs SD card but wasn;t too sure about using it, you've inspired me to try it and it brings back the heady days of the 80's with the BBC BASIC!

  • @TheSulross
    @TheSulross 5 лет назад +8

    One of the great virtues of the early 80s micros is they tended to support having their power switch turned on and then boot (from ROM) immediately to a BASIC prompt. That characteristic made them great for novices to learn and explore.
    The RISC OS supporting the Raspberry Pi - where it boots (fairly quickly) from an SD card, and that the RISC OS provides a very quick and easy entry access to get to a BASIC prompt, I believe this combo (RISC OS and Raspberry Pi) comes closest of anything available today (other than antique retro hardware purchased off of eBay) to equaling that early 80s micro experience.
    And really it's superior than the early 80s micros in that the BBC BASIC is a much better dialect of BASIC than Microsoft BASIC (that was used in practically all the other early 80s era PCs). BBC BASIC is faster performing, as better structure programming capability, and is more full featured. If one is a neophyte and wants to learn an 80s BASIC, it's the one to learn.
    A;sp the RISC OS is rather nice all and all for an 80s GUI desktop OS. Very compact implementation (fast and lean). And unlike all the others from that era, the RISC OS itself still lives and breaths and is being maintained. If you go with Mac classic or Amiga, or Apple IIgs, etc., all those require finding retro hardware or buying rather expensive (and imperfect) hardware recreations or software emulation programs. Yet a modern, in production, Raspberry Pi can run the 80s era RISC OS (or modified variant thereof). That's almost unique (well, other than allowing that modern PCs can run MS-DOS - but not quite the same proposition).
    THIS NEEDS TO BE MORE OF A THING ==>> RISC OS/BBC BASIC running on very affordable Raspberry Pi
    Folks that is your ticket to getting a taste of retro computing - be an experiencer instead of just a passive on-looker

  • @starttherebellion9146
    @starttherebellion9146 5 лет назад +13

    I thoroughly enjoy every one of your videos Chris! I feel the world will be OK when I see you on the monitor and hear your reassuring voice and positive demeanor. You could make videos about anything, and I'd be happy watching them. Learning about new computer technology (and future trends on your other channel) is just a bonus! :D

  • @Nerd3927
    @Nerd3927 5 лет назад +1

    Oh that brings up memories.... How I loved my Acorn Atom with the BBC basic Rom. The Atom itself was sweet as well. You could switch into 6502 Assembly just by putting it in square brackets. At 1 Mhz clock speed that was very welcome to speed things up.

  • @Kenny-bw2cz
    @Kenny-bw2cz 4 года назад +2

    Thank you Chris for your wonderful review...

  • @KowboyUSA
    @KowboyUSA 5 лет назад +3

    What gets my juices flowing these days is alternative operating systems.

  • @jamz007ap
    @jamz007ap 5 лет назад +21

    Always Amazing Analysis. 2019 is off to an excellent start.

  • @sassquadsteve
    @sassquadsteve 5 лет назад +3

    Thanks for creating this video. RISC OS was, and has the potential to be, a great operating system for the 21st Century. I can't think of any other OS specifically written for the ARM processor, so the fact that it is open sourced under the Apache 2 licence, means it can be given the shot in the arm it needs to make serious inroads into niche computing markets.
    I use Windows and Mac OS regularly, but do miss the immediacy and ease of use that was apparent in tools such as !Paint (the lack of Undo notwithstanding) and !Artworks (the latter formed the basis of Corel Xara/Xara Studio).
    It's definitely worth a try!

  • @SeverityOne
    @SeverityOne 5 лет назад +13

    "...this is novel, we don't have that in other operating systems..."
    Except in the Amiga's Intuition since 1985. 🙂

    • @ExplainingComputers
      @ExplainingComputers  5 лет назад +5

      Yes, as an Amiga user for many years, I should not have forgotten this! :)

  • @lmlmd2714
    @lmlmd2714 3 года назад +4

    I love Risc OS. When I was a kid I hated it as it was the "School computer" and wanted nothing to do with it at home, where it was Atari TOS all the way, but now, I love the elegance and attention to aesthetics of the UI, and the simplicity of the structure. It's all round a very elegant system compared to the painfully self-conscious over-styalised MacOS or the, to be blunt "fugly trainwreck" aesthetic of Windows.

  • @jonmahashintina
    @jonmahashintina 5 лет назад +57

    Real operating systems come with a programming language included.

    • @ozgurkarter4368
      @ozgurkarter4368 3 года назад +1

      @Lee its most probably better than commodore basic.

    • @cokeforever
      @cokeforever 3 года назад +1

      language is what you speak, it is a property of you as a programmer; in case of basic and this os you would rather say 'interpreter', but you may also need a compiler and a linker ;)

  • @NicoDsSBCs
    @NicoDsSBCs 5 лет назад +16

    Hello Christopher. Now that`s a fitting OS for the Raspberry. Good to be diverted :)
    I`ve got 4k video working in Linux on the RK3399`s. But it breaks Kdenlive. The same problem as with TinkerOS. RockchipMPP(kind of video driver for Rockchip VPU) seems to cause it. I`m trying to fix it, not sure if I can.
    I also ordered a new better camera. I`ll wait for that for my video editing video. Too bad light now for my cheap camera. Greetings, have a nice day.

    • @ExplainingComputers
      @ExplainingComputers  5 лет назад +12

      H Nico. It sounds like we are at the opposite ends of the SBC world this week! You in 4K, and me running MODE 7 and BBC BASIC. :)

    • @thatscienceguy9458
      @thatscienceguy9458 5 лет назад

      Kdenlive is a crap. Any one who edits video knows better to use that pos.

    • @NicoDsSBCs
      @NicoDsSBCs 5 лет назад +1

      @@thatscienceguy9458 Everybody has the right to have his own opinion. But spuwing opinions without articulating why brings little to no information to nobody. I edit video's and I like Kdenlive, so what you said is untrue. "Any one who edits video knows better to use that pos."
      Have a nice day.

  • @Desmaad
    @Desmaad 5 лет назад +32

    RISC OS is the OS that pioneered the contextual menu, for which we should be forever thankful.

    • @The_Ballo
      @The_Ballo 4 года назад +1

      Xerox Alto menus were contextual. Contextual menus predate global or app menus

  • @jeremypb2008
    @jeremypb2008 5 лет назад +32

    I believe Acorn showed RISC OS to Bill Gates, but he wasn't too interested except for the icon bar which later made its way into Windows '95 as the Windows taskbar.

    • @roundel52
      @roundel52 5 лет назад +2

      Apparently a few years earlier the boot was on the other foot when Bill was trying to sell MSDOS to Acorn for the BBC micro or something... Hermann Hauser replied "why would we want MSDOS when we have MOS?" Ans and Bill went back to Seattle with his tail between his legs

    • @robinhodson9890
      @robinhodson9890 3 года назад

      They also had to explain to him what a network was.

  • @richardcreese
    @richardcreese 5 лет назад +3

    Seeing Basic takes me back. I started on a ZX81 and continued through to VB.net but when I dropped Windows from my life , I switched to Python and C+ f or Arduino. Think it worth a look as I only have to swop SD cards.

  • @retropcscotland4645
    @retropcscotland4645 5 лет назад +1

    OMG I did BBC programming at college many moons ago. The old BBC computers with the cd sized floppy drives.
    What an interesting video thank you.

  • @kathleenbelgacem8515
    @kathleenbelgacem8515 5 лет назад

    Thank you so much for this video. I like Risc OS and being able to run it on the Raspi is very nice. Thanks also for having remind that the middle button of the mouse has an important feature (Which is was completely out of my mind prior I see your video)

    • @BernardUK
      @BernardUK 5 лет назад

      The Menu (middle) mouse button is similar to the right button under other systems. RISC OS calls its right button Adjust as it provides an action that is an altered version of the left (Select) button, e.g. scrolling in the opposite direction, marking the end of selected text, and many other ergonomic functions as appropriate to the task.

  • @kemi242
    @kemi242 5 лет назад +1

    I knew RISC OS was available on the RPi, but I didn't know much about it. Thanks!

  • @DoctorJ3kyll
    @DoctorJ3kyll 5 лет назад +5

    Another great video, although I feel bad now for binning my RiscPC 600 a few years ago. It cost me £2000 in 1994

  • @FAMUCHOLLY
    @FAMUCHOLLY 5 лет назад +4

    You sir, are VERY good at explaining all things computer related. You should be a teacher... 😉

    • @ExplainingComputers
      @ExplainingComputers  5 лет назад +1

      Thanks. I have been a university lecturer for about 28 years. :)

    • @FAMUCHOLLY
      @FAMUCHOLLY 5 лет назад

      @@ExplainingComputers Yep. A good one at that....😉

  • @IsaacPiera
    @IsaacPiera 5 лет назад +3

    Reminds me the old times of Windows 3.11

  • @flmalegre
    @flmalegre 5 лет назад +4

    Still waiting for a port of TempleOS to ARM

  • @vladdracul1977
    @vladdracul1977 5 лет назад +5

    Great video. I remember the OS before RISC OS on the Acorn Archimedes. Arthur. Good times!

  • @RolaDsigns
    @RolaDsigns 5 лет назад +1

    what a nice little os! , very well explained , amazing video as usual!

    • @johnlancaster2598
      @johnlancaster2598 5 лет назад

      Its very fast, compact, & efficient. In the early days the interpreted BBC BASIC running under RISC OS on the Acorn Archimedes was far faster than similar compiled languages on the Apple Macintosh. I had a very capable Desk Top Publishing package (included a sophisticated word processor) that was actually smaller the M$ Word for windows document READER program (that's reading & displaying word docs, no edit abilities).
      When Oliveti took over Acorn the new management couldn't really understand the idea of a non IBM compatible PC, so eventually it was sold off (allowing major shareholding in its former ARM subsidiary to be sold). Since then RISC OS development has been slow, until recently. Now a lot of catch-up development is being done, and some businesses are seriously evaluating using the operating system.

  • @MaximumJoy
    @MaximumJoy 4 года назад

    We need a compilation of you getting carried away and starting to play solitaire whilst demonstrating various operating systems

  • @piers389
    @piers389 5 лет назад +8

    This was really interesting to watch and demonstrates an operating system from around the time I was born. Excellent video.

  • @TTULangGenius
    @TTULangGenius 5 лет назад +4

    I love the Pi’s versatility! I recently got a Raspberry Pi 3 B+with my Christmas money and am eager to try so many things on it (your channel was a factor in my decision to buy one).
    Going to try out RISC OS now! :)

  • @C-MAG-Music
    @C-MAG-Music 5 лет назад +7

    Retrotastic. I love these alternative OS vids. Makes you wonder what actually makes one become "the one." Life today could be so different if just one other of these OS's had been taken up by more people first. Timing? price? Ease of use? Advertising? Why did "we" go for DOS and then 3.1? Hmmm.

    • @totalermist
      @totalermist 5 лет назад +1

      Short, simple and correct answer: Microsoft. They basically bullied manufacturers and resellers into shipping with DOS and Windows.

    • @factorylad5071
      @factorylad5071 5 лет назад

      R0lica It's because the general cross section of the computer buying public prefers to be spoon fed , they do not like reading manuals and want some thing that works straight out of the box, no questions. Having an inferior computer that works (like the 8086) , is a price they are willing to pay, as they do not use it seriously anyway.

    • @maxxdahl6062
      @maxxdahl6062 2 года назад

      That and Acorn never had any foothold in the US. I heard they THOUGHT about bringing their computers and OS here to the US, but then decided against it.

  • @theoldman6
    @theoldman6 5 лет назад +2

    I will have to try that on my Raspberry Pi Good Show as always and RISC looks very interesting :)

  • @andljoy
    @andljoy 5 лет назад +1

    Ahhh riscos , its good to be back.

  • @jimviau327
    @jimviau327 5 лет назад +1

    Nice vid Chris! Thanks. I wish you could make an introduction on how to address Pi IO port via Basic. Then one can make simple automation programs in Basic.

    • @ExplainingComputers
      @ExplainingComputers  5 лет назад +1

      Nice idea for a future video, noted.

    • @BernardUK
      @BernardUK 5 лет назад +1

      RISC OS includes general support for the Pi's GPIO and specific support for its I²C. We can demonstrate the SenseHAT, for example, using BASIC.

  • @sveinarsandvin6418
    @sveinarsandvin6418 4 года назад +2

    Lovely video. Thank you.

  • @esra_erimez
    @esra_erimez 5 лет назад +5

    Yet another fantastic video with Sunday morning breakfast. This is a wonderful introduction to RISC OS, anyone that is interested should look into interviews posted on RUclips with Sophie Wilson and Steve Furber. They are the architects of the ARM processor and RISC OS.

  • @thejunks3597
    @thejunks3597 5 лет назад +3

    Feels like an early 90s BBC show

  • @factorylad5071
    @factorylad5071 5 лет назад +2

    @ExplainingComputers I enjoyed the vid but I need to dismiss the thought that BBCBasic is as dead beat as you portray it.
    It has nothing whatsoever in common with Amiga or Intel dialects, the substantial differences being;
    1. It is resident Basic.
    2. It is structured (DEFproc)
    3. It has an inline assembler
    So , why might one want to use it? answer, window programming. You just can't do that with any other computer system. This is done by using the handy (and free) template editor !Wined. Of course you need to learn and experiment , which is supposed to be part of the fun.

  • @dashcamandy2242
    @dashcamandy2242 5 лет назад +4

    Seeing menu options flash upon selection... Oh, the fond memories of old Macintosh...

  • @EvilFookaire
    @EvilFookaire 4 года назад

    the for-next cycle.... oh boy the memories.... I still miss my Sharp MZ-800 and C64, and my old Schneider (464).
    Still have my C64 but it finally went "busted beyond repair" somewhere between the very late 1990's and early 2000's.

  • @abzzeus
    @abzzeus 5 лет назад +4

    RISC OS is a true Windows Icon Menus Pointer, OS vs windows where you can do a lot with ALT keys!
    Also if you look at the file system it has type then ID, so that you don't run into Windows 26 drive letter issue. Plus there are the fonts based on Bezier curves which mean each font is scalable in 0.001 pt increments.
    You touched on the ! which is a directory it just has a ! at the start which makes it an app (Like OS X uses .app) in the directory there are files that set up the app for use on the system no need for a registry! Installing is just copy it over. There's a lot to like about RISC OS and that's from 1987!

    • @pearcomputers
      @pearcomputers 4 года назад

      more is yet to come and soon, 5.28 >> www.riscository.com/2020/rpcemu-risc-os-direct/
      .
      but first, what do you grow in an orchard?

  • @mrrolandlawrence
    @mrrolandlawrence 5 лет назад +2

    Wow thats taken me back! Where was the Zarch / Lander demo? Used to have the A440/1 when it 1st came out :) Also programmed ARM assembler. My machine came with Arthur 1.2 before I was able to do a chip replacement to get a new version of RISC. Imagine my surprise when i got into the latest and greatest in the PC world only to find it was 16 bit and not really multi tasking....

  • @secondhalf791
    @secondhalf791 4 года назад +3

    Yeah he's the British Bill gates for real cause he makes complex things easy

  • @Slasher006
    @Slasher006 5 лет назад +1

    Prehistoric computing. Nice one

  • @brostenen
    @brostenen 5 лет назад +2

    This is actually a great system, if you think about it. It has its ups and downs. And no way near as polished as anything modern. Yet it is cool. Reminds me of the way you operated Amiga's in a way. And again, not quite the same. I guess it is it's own cool thing.

  • @papeleradereciclaje4375
    @papeleradereciclaje4375 4 года назад +3

    I love how the SD Card is just like :0

  • @heidirichter
    @heidirichter 5 лет назад +30

    You said "we don't have that in other operating systems" regarding the window depth gadget. I'm sorry, but that isn't true, Amiga OS had 2 window depth gadgets (window to front, window to back) in the various 1.x versions of the operating system (technically, in the Kickstart 1.x portion), while this was simplified to just one depth gadget (a toggle between to front and to back) in versions 2 onwards. Given that AmigaOS was first released to the world in 1985, this pre-dates RISCOS using this same thing in 1987...

    • @ExplainingComputers
      @ExplainingComputers  5 лет назад +20

      Yes, you are correct. My bad. And I should have known this, as I was an Amiga user for many years.

    • @rationalityfirst
      @rationalityfirst 5 лет назад +1

      KWin has that function too

    • @ArumesYT
      @ArumesYT 5 лет назад +5

      @@ExplainingComputers Also, if you click on a window border or the title bar in XFCE or GNOME with the middle mouse button, you send it to the back. And I'm pretty sure other desktop environments have a similar feature.

    • @send2gl
      @send2gl 5 лет назад +4

      There are so many 'not so obvious' functions in most software no-one could possible know everything, not even Chris 😎

    • @ninline2000
      @ninline2000 5 лет назад +3

      The one thing Amiga did that I've never seen any other computer was screens. You could grab the top of the screen to reveal a screen behind the screen, each with it's own windows and resolution. It was useful in many ways. That was in the hardware though, not possible with a video card as far as I can remember. Haven't used my Amiga much since I went to Linux in '99.

  • @davortrumbic3341
    @davortrumbic3341 5 лет назад +3

    Thank you, as usual, beautifully explaining things so that even an old dog like me understands everything :D

  • @SuperHaunts
    @SuperHaunts 5 лет назад +2

    I figured out the problem! The OS doesn't like my wireless mouse! I changed to a hardwired USB mouse, and now things are responding as it should with good speed! No problem w/Rasbian, or any other PI os, just this one. Passing on the findings...

  • @johnhaynes9910
    @johnhaynes9910 5 лет назад +10

    As ever Chris, great fun.

  • @geoffreyjohnstone5465
    @geoffreyjohnstone5465 5 лет назад +2

    WoW....This is brilliant. For some reason I just started thinking of the Archimedes computer when I saw RISC OS. The Archie is one of the few early home computers that I never got to own. Is this the same RISC OS as that used?

    • @BernardUK
      @BernardUK 5 лет назад

      It most certainly is a direct descendant, as you recognize, and its development continues.

  • @johntrevy1
    @johntrevy1 2 года назад +2

    It is sad that Acorn quitely went with a whimper, but it is clear they are having the last laugh now.

  • @johnm2012
    @johnm2012 5 лет назад +2

    Another trip down memory lane. I started with a BBC Microcomputer back in the day and when it was launched I bought an Archimedes and, later, a Risc PC. BBC BASIC is wonderfully powerful and it even includes a built-in assembler. I didn't realise that RISC OS had finally been made open source. I'm going to dedicate a Raspberry Pi to running it.

  • @billynightmare
    @billynightmare 3 года назад +1

    I purchased the very first version of the Raspberry pi 256meg SBC when it released, it runs riscOS super fast, I love this OS, it very weird after using windows for so many years but it not that hard to learn and basic is an awesome language to learn with.

  • @dwarf365
    @dwarf365 5 лет назад +2

    Ok now I have to figure out how to get this on youtube to confuse LGR on next years analytics video. You think blackberry is crazy, how about an acorn? lmao!

  • @noradautumns
    @noradautumns 5 лет назад +1

    So thats why one of our old mouse had a non-functional middle click way back then! It was for RISC!

  • @johncnorris
    @johncnorris 5 лет назад +6

    Interesting effort (pling)

  • @davelowe1977
    @davelowe1977 5 лет назад +5

    OMG it's the Archimedes all over again!

  • @ericartman0
    @ericartman0 5 лет назад +7

    Funny, back in the day, I worked at Silicon Graphics building RISC computers and one of my favorite basic programs was "Simon's Basic" on my Commodore 64. Yeah I'm old, thanks for the memories.

    • @ExplainingComputers
      @ExplainingComputers  5 лет назад

      I remember those SG machines, I knew a group who used them for early VR research.

    • @hydrochloricacid2146
      @hydrochloricacid2146 5 лет назад +1

      You were part of the MIPS team?

    • @ExplainingComputers
      @ExplainingComputers  5 лет назад

      I was based in the Business School in the University of Nottingham, and next door was the Computer Science Department. There a project under Steve Benford did a lot of quite pioneering work on VR in a project called the ACE (Advanced Computing Environments) Lab. I visited on a few occasions -- even filmed there! -- as I wrote the first UK e-business book in the mid 1990s, so we often talked about collaborations.

    • @MarkTheMorose
      @MarkTheMorose 5 лет назад +1

      @@ExplainingComputers www.nottingham.ac.uk/ComputerScience/People/steve.benford ?

    • @ExplainingComputers
      @ExplainingComputers  5 лет назад

      That's the man! A great guy. He had several Silicon Graphics workstations at the time doing various VR stuff. I left the university in late 2015, so have not seen him since.

  • @michaeloconnor7786
    @michaeloconnor7786 5 лет назад

    Hello Chris
    Good to see you show Risc OS running on the Raspberry Pi. While today it does not have a glamours look to it, it still far outshines current operating systems in some areas. Mainly the put the window behind, and the drag to save, which you showed.
    Beats the hunt in windows 'save' to navigate to the folder you already have open. However you could show some more tricks, such as, for example you can save a document into another open document. There is no cut and paste as such. To merge two files, just open one and drag the other into into it. Instant merge.
    The part of the OS applications Paint and Draw which go way back to the early 1990's still by far beat Windows versions to this day.
    Now you did show it could run Basic. Risc OS runs "BBC Basic" which is very sophisticated over normal dialects of Basic. So much so, I have often wondered is there is any link between BBC Basic and Python. Take a look, as I feel they are very similar.

    • @BernardUK
      @BernardUK 5 лет назад

      You're so right about file saving! Actually most apps and the OS now support standard copy/cut/paste for text and graphics, and the developers have a project to complete the functionality. The point about Draw is worth emphasizing because its vector graphic format is supported system wide and is also used by some apps for import and export. Python currently is 2.7.2, altough there's talk of porting 3.8.

  • @SusanAmberBruce
    @SusanAmberBruce 5 лет назад +1

    Amazing! I will give that one a go! The nostalgia! brilliant, thanks, Chris.

  • @tygattyche2545
    @tygattyche2545 5 лет назад +2

    And since 1994, i started with an A5000, RISC OS is my every day OS...
    Perhaps you should make a second video about this unique GUI, specialy the game of the mouse buttons "select" and "adjust".

  • @TimothyChapman
    @TimothyChapman 5 лет назад +1

    That background must have enough raspberries in it to make a pie.

  • @chriholt
    @chriholt 5 лет назад +3

    Yet another fascinating and nostalgic look at an OS seemingly frozen in time. Thanks Chris!

  • @freesaxon6835
    @freesaxon6835 5 лет назад +4

    I often thought that the raspberry pi compared to the old BBC B or Archimedes lacks a full range of programmes. The old BBC B whilst being very limited CPU & memory wise, had an amazing range of possibilities. Teletext download of free programs, and thousands of free applications. It's great that the PI runs risc and BBC basic. I wonder if some of my old BBC software will run via this method without modification? I can remember you could even buy books with BBC basic code printed, ready for you to type in and save. Gave you an understanding of how things worked. This Risc OS BBC compatibility is a great move.
    P.S did you try DOOM ? If so how did it run, and what definition did you run it in?

    • @ExplainingComputers
      @ExplainingComputers  5 лет назад +1

      I have not yet tried DOOM . . .

    • @rog2224
      @rog2224 5 лет назад +1

      Reading over the docs on the RISC OS site, a lot of BBC Model B BASIC progs will work with no, or very little, tweaking. It seems less clear when you get into VDU commands and the like.
      When I get some time, I'm hoping to resurrect some of my old Computer Science degree Computer Graphics I, II, and III assessments on the RPi. Back then, one of the old tutors was using a Beeb to number crunch a fire control system of Indian Copper mines of the sort he'd worked in in his youth (he was nearly 80 when I knew him. A tremendous atavism from the days of the Raj, who restored old motorbikes) The processing would more or less wipe out his allowance on the Pr!me 750, but would crunch out results in less than 15 mins on the BBC, due to the way the BASIC worked, even compared to compiled Pascal on the Pr!me (he had little time for C, and C++ was about 4 years in the future)

    • @freesaxon6835
      @freesaxon6835 5 лет назад

      @@rog2224 Interesting, and another reason to buy a raspberry pi

    • @MarkTheMorose
      @MarkTheMorose 5 лет назад

      Since the Pi has Linux distributions available, it has access to more free programs than any one man can try in a single lifetime.

  • @lorderectus1849
    @lorderectus1849 2 года назад +2

    You need patience to use an OS and patience to play card games!

  • @factorylad5071
    @factorylad5071 5 лет назад +1

    I think riscos is the ultimate home computer system of today. Say free Photoshop and people would stagger with disbelief, but this is exactly what you get when you run !Draw and !Paint concurrently.

  • @Jim-be8sj
    @Jim-be8sj 5 лет назад +2

    Wow. Great video. I've been around computers for a long time but hadn't heard of this OS before. I felt like I was in a time machine or a parallel universe or something. Very interesting as usual.

  • @zetaconvex1987
    @zetaconvex1987 5 лет назад +2

    Interesting OS, and one I've never used. It seems that it needs more mouse clicks and movement than is strictly necessary, and I dare say that middle-clicking could get a bit annoying with scroll mice.
    It looks a simple and fast OS, though. I wonder if it could be taken in a new direction, with some of the design oddities tweaked, and include such things as GPIO libraries, etc..

  • @高睿-u8k
    @高睿-u8k 5 лет назад +10

    Honestly, the style of windows in this OS reminds me of the era back to Windows 3.x.

  • @gedw99
    @gedw99 3 года назад +1

    It’s such timely irony. Arm is now owned by Nvidia and risc-v is the next hardware chip ISA that will replace ARM.
    So we might be back to running RISC OS on a RISV-V chip.
    The GUI is so old yet it’s not because all the patterns are there . It’s similar to Apple Darwin GUI

  • @arthurdent8091
    @arthurdent8091 5 лет назад +1

    Hi Chris. I can see how RISC on a Pi would seem to go together like eggs and spam ( Spam, spam, spam, Joke, Monty Python reference ) I will wait and see how my needs progress. I purchased issue 74 of The MagPi and printed out a case for the pocket pc as outlined on pages 20 - 25 and when I get the motivation/money available, next month hopefully I will begin assembly. Till then cheers.

  • @WarriorZ676
    @WarriorZ676 3 года назад +1

    This is such an alien OS. It's like a Windows NT competitor that didn't quite made it. It's not Linux, its not Windows, its not an Apple product, but it's advanced enough to have a GUI with windows. It's so uncanny.
    Problem is, I look at it and I just can't think of what I would do with it, or why would I use it over something else, on any computer.

  • @MarkMifsud
    @MarkMifsud 4 года назад +1

    Thanks for this. RiscOS's workflow seems to be non fluid, but interesting OS nonetheless and I'll try using it.
    Can you try to run Redox OS and give us your opinion? I found it hard to install (I gave up in fact), but it's an OS that I'm watching closely and I think it will become a good alternative at some point. Thanks again! keep up the good work.

  • @Jenny_Digital
    @Jenny_Digital 5 лет назад +1

    It should have been noted that there is a version of Firefox, SCUMM, MP3 players and some great productivity packages available too. An OS is little without compatible programs.

  • @mattivirta
    @mattivirta 5 лет назад +1

    i has try install risk,retropie,zorin,rasbian,many different kernel version rasbian,not installing good, octoprint has only what install good, alltime come error kernel panis 179,2 problem somethink, i no know, i has try changer some text in cmdline config but not help.i has try many different 32gb and other size sd card but no help. what i can do ? how can install rasbian to my raspberry pi 3 ? i has used SDforamtter and win32imager softwares and 7zip extraxt downloaded files and can open image file in win32imager. my pc is win7.

  • @aarincon
    @aarincon 5 лет назад +1

    Hi! Nice video.
    So, good news is that Orange Pi 3 was released...
    Can you make one of that bench's video for us?
    Opi3 vs RPi3???
    Sysbench, glxmarks, usability desktop, etc...
    Thanks a lot of for sharing great content, always

  • @dd0356
    @dd0356 5 лет назад +2

    hello professor! very interesting video. due to availability of cheaper sbc, efforts like these are possible. collective efforts will improve many things.

  • @dafoex
    @dafoex 8 месяцев назад +1

    I know the BBC Micro and Master used a 6502, not ARM, but it makes me wonder if anyone has managed to get Domesday running locally on a Pi with RISC OS. Since the browser is a bit limited I doubt you'd get modern Street View working on it, so may as well go full 1980s!

  • @ChiragThakur09
    @ChiragThakur09 5 лет назад +3

    Thank you for introdusing us this unique OS..!!!!

  • @SalamoYemen
    @SalamoYemen 5 лет назад +1

    Thanks, you are best.

  • @basicforge
    @basicforge 5 лет назад +1

    Well, that was fun, and the RISC OS does look like it has some nice ideas. You realize that you can use BBC BASIC already on the default Raspian OS?

  • @TheGazLab
    @TheGazLab 5 лет назад +2

    always well done content, what do you use for your presentation animations? Gaz

    • @ExplainingComputers
      @ExplainingComputers  5 лет назад +4

      All motion graphics are currently done in AfterEffects. This said, I am starting to use BlackMagic Design Fusion -- as you will see in a video here in two week's time.

  • @PWingert1966
    @PWingert1966 5 лет назад +1

    I remember looking at a developer board for a national Semiconductor 32032 based RISC computer

  • @coolerking7427
    @coolerking7427 5 лет назад

    Wow, amazing. I never heard of this before.

  • @amnottabs
    @amnottabs 5 лет назад +3

    "Let's be wild" Mr. Barnatt 2019

  • @iraqinamnamat
    @iraqinamnamat 5 лет назад +3

    What is the best free os on the net. I want to avoid viruses by using a less known OS

    • @ExplainingComputers
      @ExplainingComputers  5 лет назад +1

      Linux -- eg Linux Mintor Ubuntu -- are now very good, and would put you in a few per cent of global PC users and at a lot less risk of virus problems. But if you want something lesser known, and currently stable, I would recommend TrueOS -- a very secure option. I did a review here: ruclips.net/video/eoxluItj1uA/видео.html

    • @iraqinamnamat
      @iraqinamnamat 5 лет назад

      .

  • @aidandodds7672
    @aidandodds7672 3 года назад +4

    These videos are great, they remind me of the old OpenUniversity lectures that would appear on TV early in the morning in the 1980s.

  • @LMacNeill
    @LMacNeill 5 лет назад +1

    10:19 -- "Starting with 651516 bytes free". Never saw *that* on my C64 back in the '80s! ;-) Can you imagine filling 640 KB with BASIC code?! That'd be a *lot* of line numbers!

  • @redtails
    @redtails 5 лет назад

    you can definitely tell the appstore was written later than the other apps. It actually just opens when you activate it, instead of that weird background-open thing that the older apps do.

  • @tomaszx7760
    @tomaszx7760 5 лет назад +2

    Someone try run Risc OS (last version) on Rpi Zero 1.3 (without Wifi/BT) ?? Risc OS try check DHCP and never go to the GUI.

    • @hubersn
      @hubersn 5 лет назад

      If you wait long enough, DHCP times out. You can also press Escape to stop DHCP. If you are advanced enough, you can boot just from ROM and disable DHCP inside !Boot.Choices.Internet :-)
      Apart from that, you could just add one of the supported USB Ethernet dongles and connect it to your home network where a DHCP server is available!