Yes, isn't it? it is like getting back to the essence of music, each note in a unique relation to each other, not being subjected to other pitches, but free.
I don't know if every pianist does it, but just sitting with a piano and pressing random keys and playing random chords and hearing the strange sounds evokes feelings of childish joy and playfulness and is strangely relaxing.
Learning about atonal music and microtones is like seeing colors that I couldn't see before and tasting a spice that I have not ever tasted before. It gets me so excited about what the world in general has to offer.
Long ago they said when you go too atonal you end up with movie soundtracks. With S here, the emotions I get from this music I get is claustrophobia and tension. I find Ligeti palpable, but this stuff, simply, No. It was a mathematical experiment - like they couldn't leave the rules of Sodoku alone, but had to create puzzles with additional rules. And regarding the 12 tone gimmick. There is no adjustment for how much time is given to each tone. If one tone exists longer than the others, it defeats the objective of music that has no basis/root/key.
Your comment makes as much sense as this music! They deserve each other. No you can't use just any words to make a point. You need to select them. Much like to make a piece of music notes need to be selected, unlike this piece. You could remove any notes and replace them with any others and it wouldn't make any difference.
@@sandeegrey5977 If you're a musician or an expert, I'd like you to explain that to me, if you have time. If not, while keeping in mind I'm not either a musician nor an expert, but just someone who does enjoy jazz here and there, in my perception, compared to some free jazz I've heard, this does lack exactly what OP said: conclusion, a sense of a path, like a speech. Some free jazz I've heard was really "out there" and difficult to follow, but still "made sense" even to someone like me who doesn't really have the means to understand it completely. I've found the music in this video both very interesting and completely not understandable.
This is like the musical equivalent of modern art. It's weird, surreal, and makes no sense, and yet it's still just appealing enough to want to listen every now and again.
When I fell overwhelmed with "regular" music I turn to this. Atonal doesn't mean bad - atonal for me means one of the best ways to express yourself through music. Cheers!
Also, what I'm getting from this is sort of a Zelda: Breath of the Wild overworld feel. I can imagine stumbling upon some ruins of ancient technology and this theme playing around it.
That's because, due to its atonal nature, where it deliverately avoids mode, the result is music that sounds fragmented and (in this case) has a lot of silences, and several of these "fragments" sound like the little ditties that play whenever you discover something in a Zelda game.
Exactly thats why im here. I here this sound (i play BothW in this Moment the first Time), and thought: Is this atonal music? 🙂 And sorry for my english, im german!
I, too, at first made the connection with BotW.. This game is also the reason I came to love atonal music. However, after hearing the overworld theme many times (well, can you call it a theme?), I don't think it's atonal, but extremely tonal-chromatic. I haven't seen the score yet, though.
They remind me of when I have no thoughts or plans at all while playing my lyre harp and looking at the sky in my room. It’s all just however I feel and wherever my heart leads me towards to. Within the chaos, I found peace and simple beauty in them. It has no meaning and no papers and pen to write it all down. Just me in the moment
It's like if people don't immediately "get" this type of music they think that no one could ever "get" it and genuinely enjoy it. The fact that someone claims to like it makes them think that they are just pretending. They go on the defensive and offend other people in the comments when they realise that actually lots of people authentically enjoy this music. "How could they?". They probably feel "stupid" for not "getting" it, so they vehemently reject the notion that atonal music could have any type of worth resorting to calling people "snob", "pretentious"... The reality is that yes, there are people who enjoy atonal music and no, you don't need to be "intelligent", a "genius" or "superior" to "get" it. If you listen repeatedly and with an open mind one day you will find yourself to like it. We are so used to strict tonal music, exposed to it since our birth, that other ways of organising sound are alien to us and may seem random at first. This same type of argument could be made for modern/contemporary art in general. You should assume that there will always exist people who genuinely enjoy pieces of art you can't understand, but that doesn't mean that you are "inferior" or "stupid". Maybe you need to get used to the artistic language, maybe you don't actually enjoy it, and that's fine, the world would be boring if we were all the same. I don't know if anyone will ever read this overly long thought, but I'm just tired of all the gratuitous hate in the comment section of every mildly popular modern/contemporary music video.
As someone who doesn't understand contemporary music, I'm curious to know what you find appealing in this type of pieces. I don't want to criticize or make fun of anyone, I'm just really curious about the connections that people who enjoy atonal music make in their brain, the pattern or feelings that push them towards hearing more pieces like this. Again, english is not my first language so I might have accidentaly written this in a critical tone, but I can't stress enough that I don't want to ridicule other people's tastes. I just want to understand.
@@davidemontanaro8477 That's a really difficult question to answer but I'll try the best I can. Usually one is never asked the reason of a preference and I wouldn't exactly know how to explain why I like milk for example, and I don't think there's a rational explanation. Usually everyone has different preferences, different tastes and no one should be forced to like something. Nevertheless I believe that acquired preferences do exist and that they are potentially available for everyone; for example everyone can get accustomed to black coffee. I remember for example that ~5 years ago I couldn't appreciate pre-twentieth century classical music and it took me a long time to do so. In general, in every aspect of life, humans dislike what is unknown, but an exposure that allows to know it, to understand it, to identify its patterns (both conscioudly and unconsciously) can potentially create a preference: if you are exposed to something you will eventually like it to a degree and more quickly if you engage consciously with it. The perfect example of this is pop music, which is designed to be uncomplicated, perfectly adherent to musical canons already well known to the public and is repeatedly played on various media: the objective is to appeal to the largest possible mass of people in order to make a profit. On the other hand classical music is (generally) much more complex and unfamiliar, therefore one or two unengaged listenings are not enough to create a preference (I do not mean this as a value judgement and it's hopefully ab objective statement even though I do know that not all pop music or classical music is as I described). All this long digression is to say that also twentieth century music is an acquired preference, even though I still believe that there would still be a hierarchy of preferences among all this music. Twentieth century classical music is incredibly rich and diverse in terms of classical music (I call it classical referencing the same "tradition" of composers) but at the same time it's much less known than conventional classical music. In general you can find both 'atonal' and tonal music, even though the harmonies are usually very different from the nineteenth century ones. Sometimes pitch doesn't matter so much and the important parts are rhythm and/or timbre and/or dynamics. The composers try to give coherence to the pieces in extremely diverse ways and often a little research beforehand helps to understand the pieces. Strictly speaking Schönberg and the 2nd viennese school belong to the modernism era while contemporary classical is usually considered to be either music by living composers or belonging to the second half of the century and beyond. The two most important composers of the first half of the century were Schönberg and Stravinsky. Schönberg basically tried to do away with tonality but in continuity with a general trend of the period, in which tonality became more and more ambiguous. There's a first period of 'free atonality' (which he called pantonality) in which he simply composed simply trying not to sound tonal, beginning from "Verklärte Nacht" (a beautifully decadent tone poem, still tonal), "Drei Klavierstücke" op. 11 and the String Quartet no. 2 (three wonderful pieces). There's no abrupt interruption with the previous classical music, other than the 'lack' of tonality nothing else changed. This video's piece belongs to this phase, even though is not my favourites. To enjoy this kind of pieces you have first to accustom yourself with 'dissonance' (which is really not a well defined concept; Schönberg believed that dissonance is simply a more complex consonance) then try to follow the flow of the music enjoying the various unusual harmonies created. I think you might need repeated listenings over a long period of time to appreciate the music fully, as for most of twentieth century classical music. You could also listen to the first string quartet and see the evolution of schönberg's music. I personally like all of his 4 string quartets. As for the emotions provoked, that is very subjective. Personally I feel mainly dark emotions listening to most of his music (not all) but that doesn't mean that atonality can only transmit those kind of emotions: it's because the 2nd Viennese school was expressionistic in nature and those are the kind of emotions the pieces are meant to evoke. Later Schönberg developed the 12 tone method to compose which imposed a set of rules meant to replace tonal harmonies creating a new order for the notes' pitches: this has been recognized as a revolution for music and has been very influential during the twentieth century. The method's aim was that of equalize the importance af all notes so as to render atonal composition easier, even though it can be used also in a tonal manner. You don't have to know the rules to enjoy the music, just as you don't have to know music theory to enjoy tonal compositions (even though it may help). The first composition fully composed in this way is the Suite op. 25, personally one of my favourite pieces by Schönberg. I also like the Piano Concerto op. 42 and the String Trio op. 45. The other members of the 2nd Viennese school are Alban Berg and Anton Webern. Berg remained always the most attached to romanticism, adopting the 12 tone system but breaking the rules and creating a sense of tonality. I like his Piano sonata (not 12 tone) and his Violin Concerto (12 tone). Webern adopted the 12 tone method but in a pointillistic and abstract manner, becoming really influential for serialism, with composers like Stockhausen and Boulez. With his later works the importance of the notes' exact pitches decreased, leading to a prevalence of the parameters of rhythm, timbre and dynamics. Some of my favourite pieces are the Five movements for string quartet op. 5 (not 12 tone), the Symphony op. 21 and the String quartet op. 28. The 12 tone method lead to musical serialism, the system of composition by which one or more parameters other than pitch (timbre, rhythm, dynamics) were to be ordered according to the same principle already used for pitch. This kind of system was criticised for being excessively restrictive and obscure (although I like some of these compositions and I wouldn't reject an entire type of compositions, also considering that a good composer can make the method work) and its popularity lasted for about a decade. Both Stockhausen and Boulez (the latter formerly extremely dogmatic) went on to compose in a more free and more accessible manner. Bear in mind that atonal 12 tone/serialist music, is among the least accessible types of music of the century (the new complexity movement is maybe a worthy contender but that's another story) so you shouldn't be discouraged if you first fail to appreciate it. It may well be that it is not your type of music and that's ok, there's plenty of other music. For example Bartok, Stravinsky, Poulenc, Dallapiccola, Shostakovic, Prokofiev, Ives, Ornstein, Sorabji, Boulanger, Ginastera and Tailleferre in the first half of the century and Rzewski, Scelsi, Carter, Babbitt, Maderna, Nono, Xenakis, Schnittke, Gubaidulina, Penderecki, Andriessen, Rautavaara, Kapustin, John Adams, Sciarrino, Lisa Streich, Finnissy, Thomas Adès and Ferneyhough in the second half. One of my favourite pieces of the second half of the century is The People United Will Never be Defeated by Rzewski, a set of variations which is very accessible and eclectic, with a very interesting structure: a masterpiece of the 20th century. If you want to know more about 20th century classical music I would suggest to watch the two final lessons of Leonard Bernstein's Norton Lectures (although all six are extremely interesting) and Stockhausen's British Lectures. You can find them on the saved playlists section of my channel. There's also the book "The rest is noise" by Alex Ross, which talks about 20th century classical music. Some interesting youtubers which you can consult may be the composer Samuel Andreyev and Classical Nerd. I hope you arrived at the end of this mini-essay (which I'm quite proud of) but It doesn't matter, I just hope that some people may be persuaded by my comment to give a chance to more than a whole century of music. Countless composers spent their whole life writing extremely original, inventive, expressive, shocking and gut-wrenching music which is currently underappreciated, maybe for an excess of innovation and distance from more popular music and maybe also for a certain distrust towards modern art in general. One should confide in the worthiness of a piece judging by the work the author put into the music and by the presence of a (relatively limited) audience. Thank you for your attention.
@Nilmand Thanks man. I just found this song (through a Reddit post bashing it as if they're pickin some kind of low hanging fruit) and actually found the composition appealing. Resonated and evoked certain emotions I guess... Going to look into more atonal pieces in classical work. When it comes to pop music, I'm sure there are many artists who have used atonal instrumental. Which pop bands using that stand out to you most?
If your comment were to be something like atonal music, I think this would be it: “I'm completely more annoying to listen stone talk, be more vocal and creative, but either way it’s far close too near impossible… Merry Christmas!”
My discovery of atonality was perhaps the best thing that ever happened to me. Really relieved myself compositionally, and I started applying “atonality” to other aspects of my life and it was quite liberating.
These pieces are perfect little gems. Every note in exactly the right place. Not a note too many. No wonder Webern worshipped him. The "Sehr Langsam" has you holding your breath waiting for the next note.
This feels like a complete rejection of everything I, a casual listener, know about music. It feels directionless and incalculable; a completely new experience.
The really interesting thing is that the composer was structurally very conservative. It's just that he was very much experimenting with new tonal ideas. He was also an inventor and created his own version of 4-person chess.
The "directionless" feeling you get is because of the lack of a key center. Pop music is based on tonal functional harmony, which has a key center (C major, Eb minor, F dorian and so on) which chords resolve to. Atonal music has none of that: every key has the same weight.
Very good performance! I've recently been trying to listen to more "experimental" music, and it's been an interesting journey. This music is the type that my brain seems to be telling me is wrong yet, despite that, I keep coming back to it and listening again. Pantonality is very interesting and this music is good music. Thanks, Schoenberg!
No matter how much I try to listen to this kind of music, I still can't find any beauty or enjoyment in it. And I don't think it's a bad thing, in fact I think it's one of the most surprising aspects of music: the ability to produce different experiences and results in each person.
That's because its just random notes! People are terrified of appearing conventional and stilted. Well when something is not music it should be identified as NOT music. Random notes that make no sense are not music.
@@FreshAirRules You are wrong, this is incredibly tightly packed and well structured. Although, I will have to say that Charles Ives creates the best atonal masterpieces.
@@Arobamod Its for people who have very low standards in music. The same people will call something art that is actually paint splatter. Art is earned. This was nonsensical drivel. Of course there are other modern classical music pieces that actually make sense! Many of them. This isn't one of them though.
It's really nice to hear some emphasizing conventional and rewarding aspects of musical appreciation and enjoyment - emotions, evocations, sensations - in talking about Schoenberg. I still feel there is misunderstanding in the world about post-tonal music, that it's not authentically aesthetic.
Thank you! yes, indeed, this word of "A-tonal" has such a wrong connotation. That is why I would prefer the work "pan-tonal", as Schoenberg himself described it. The feeling that notes are still talking and relating to one another, only in a much more complex/simple and unique way, each note master of its own world, each one its own tonal centre.
My singing teacher today bought up in our lesson atonal music from Schoenberg and Im blown away. Why havent I heard about it before? Anyhow, great video. Thanks for sharing his music with us!
I don't particularly like listening to it, especially on a daily basis, but I completely understand and respect the art behind it, the purpose behind it, the vision and concept behind it. It fits really well with specific stories in movies, that's probably why it's used in a mischievous ways in some aspects of cinema, it also has an uneasiness to it that can portray an image of life out of balance and feelings of disorder, and mental challenges. And to some extent I think I can relate to the frame of mind you're in when you write atonal pieces. It's thought provoking but to what end? Maybe the sole purpose is simply to provoke the mind..
Don't kid yourself, you weren't this good at 5. Even if you think atonal music sounds bad, it's better than whatever a non-musician can randomly create by hitting the keys.
sunkentree oh no not the "quirky" people coming after me. You know music has a mathematical science behind it, that us humans just naturally understand. This uhh..music..if you want to call it, is simply a deliberate disruption of the proper way music is to be written. I'm sure that if any of the great musicians or pianists, like Bach or Beethoven, heard this, I doubt that they would call it music but I digress :)
I don't understand why people think this music is hard to listen. To me the colors are different (in a good way) but the chords are beautiful as fuck. Also if you don't think that pantonal music has "mathematical science" behind it, you are horribly wrong. I mean look at Xenakis for example
When I was in college, I was a music major. I listened to everything. I also studied a little of the Atonal music and Schoenberg was the only one that I could actually enjoy without getting annoyed. I actually like his music
It makes me happy to hear that! To tell you the truth it took me some time also to get familiar with it. Anyways, I think this pieces are very nice. Let me know how your piece goes.
To me, atonal is a way to do story telling without words, I mean, you can with tonal music, but atonal has the “absurd” notes and changes that add a certain depth to the story being told. Definitely best to go along with a video of some sort, unless you use your imagination.
The final piece in this video, I can kindddd of see that, if i really stretch my imagination a bit. But thats mainly cause the A - F# - B chord was repeated so much it almost felt like a point of arrival or somewhere eerie but familiar. Kind of like tonality lol. I could base the rest of the piece around that chord as a point of reference. But for the others... I can't hear any story at all to be honest ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ begins bizarre, middle is bizarre, ending is bizarre. Bizarre isn't really a bad thing but If you never leave that feeling then I can't really see a "story" or any form of progress at all. It's like a story with only one plot point and the story ends. Or maybe I'm just not used to it
To everyone who hears this music and thinks "wow this is garbage", I implore you to think more along the lines of "this music is intentional, it was composed this way with thought. Why did the composer make this?"
@@edwardgivenscomposer hahahaha lol. Even tough i agree, Schoenberg, to be fair, was a brillant unique composer before he created this failed dumb experiment called atonality. It's baffling and difficult to understand how a composer who was so good at writing music had this terrible idea afterwards. It seems as if something terrible happened to him and he became so negative and depressed that he decided to create an abomination, a monster in music. An example of his profound and beautiful music is his canon for strings n. 19, his Gurre Lieder orchestral prelude, Vekhlarte Nacht, and his beautiful song: Dank (op 1)
This reminds me of being a kid and taking in music for the first time again, it feels new and like I'm still yet to learn how to understand and predict it! I actually looked this up after learning about the use of this music in German train stations as hostile architecture to prevent loitering.
Chopin : what is this kind of music? Franz liszt : i have no idea. Mozart and other classical musicians : me too. Schoenberg : it is a beauty of music Beethoven: wait... what ... what you just say... i cant hear it ?
I was very curious to experience atonal music. I am autistic. This kind of music feels like dancing on broken glass while watching some Picassos. It is very strange, very out of phase und extremly painful. I don't think I should do this again but I'm glad I tried.
For how I see it: these pieces aren’t meant to sound “musical” in the way we recognize something as “musical”, it’s cold math, it’s filled with Bach’s and flemings’ contrapunctal technique, I don’t see it so much different than Musical Offering or The Art of Fugue, it’s just the natural evolution of music through history. For those wondering, Arnold Schoenberg is an incredible composer whose also composed tonal music in his earlier years (String Quartet in D major to mention one) also would suggest checking out Gurrelieder as its first scene is one of the greatest pieces of music I’ve heard and I’ve listened to quite some stuff (lately especially) also suggest Verklarte Nacht. Alban Berg might suit your taste as he can still keep a liiiittle glance of tonality in his piano sonata no.1!
Excerpt from a good book: "Hardly anybody actually listens to atonal music because of the near exclusion of small-integer ratio intervals in melody and harmony. The brain hears atonal music as chaotic, irritating static. The brain responds to small-integer-ratio tunes. Thats biological reality. Its inborn, true of infants, true of adults, and applies cross-culturally."
That's interesting. Does this research include the exceptions? Some might hear this music as refreshing. I love the combination of both, tonal and pantonal. As far as intervals go, wouldn't each sound on its own complete the range of harmonic intervals? Anyways, thank you!
While I agree that more and more complex ratios sound more dissonant I don't think that this means the music sounds bad, we do enjoy dissonance depending on how its used, be it because we grew up listening music that has dissonance or because its just a genetic thing that for some reason we enjoy it. For example a minor second [if I looked that up correctly] should have a 16:15 ratio, which should be pretty bad, yet we love it in some contexts. If simple ratios mean good sounding music we should only be listening to octaves and perfect fifths in just intonation. I have not formally studied any of this, I am no expert, just speaking from bits that I read online, but a hypothesis that I believe is that while simple ratios sound nice the brain needs more information to stay entertained, that is, if we only listen to simple ratios it becomes boring.
Sometimes music has to be stimulant to express human's soul better. I can listen to atonal music all day and not even get bored, it is a fascinating thing for me. I think you would like to link that source too because I know tons of people who love atonal music.
Returned again. If youve seen my other two comments, this is my third. Im in college now. Interesting thing Im thinking- this looks more fun to perform than it is to listen to. (Not saying its BAD to listen to, though.) The same sort of thing as interpretive dance. Infinitely fun to perform. Or at least, thats what it looks like, Im no pianist. I do theatre. Maybe that influenced this take? Idk
Yes, I understand what you mean, though I am still not so sure of it. Am wondering how would others feel about it. As for me some composers are more pleasant to perform, as in, they fit the hands and flow better, this might not be the case with these pieces. Thanks for the comment.
Mußten wir auf dem Gymnasium 1978 bei Professor K. im Musikunterricht lernen und hat als interessante Kompositionstechnik sicher nicht geschadet zu kennen. Habe auch so manches Mal davon profitiert diese Materie zu kennen, beispielsweise in der Harmonielehre in der 11. Klasse in Bezug auf Bach'sche Fugen. Ich gebe aber zu, dass diese Musik, im Übrigen wie auch der Free-Jazz, wirklich schwer zu hören ist. Wissen ist Macht, nichts wissen macht auch nichts😂.
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I've only just heard of atonal music as of recent, being told it's an acquired taste. While it certainly isn't mine, I'm glad I now know about and (vaguely) understand it.
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That's some good shit right there. Tonal harmony is very cool, but I feel like we, as creative human beings, should expand our horizons. Non-metric atonal pop music, that's what the world needs. That's what would solve all our issues. in reality, that'd probably explode the world.
You don't have to think atonal music especially Schoenberg's early atonal pieces like this as a buch of random free pitches.We have to see it as an extension of tonality. This opus has a strict,almost traditional structure. Every piece is related with the next and all together has tonal centre of the semitonal relation between b and b flat. That's the reason we call it not weird but beautiful. It's simply an other language you have to learn it if you want.If you don't like it anybody forces you to listen. We all love dinosaurs. Dinosaurs are awesome! But after the dinosaurs came primates. We call it evolution. Nowhere will you see angry paleontologists wanting to execute primate biologists!
@@zkdr6278 Just my opinion. When I hear garbage masquerading as music I call it out. This is not music. Its random notes tossed on to sheet music. Like throwing darts at a board with your eyes closed. Like throwing paint on a canvas. Like writing gibberish, words that are non-sensical. Just because its different doesn't mean its music. It fails, dead in the water like so much modern classical music. You could remove whole lines of the music and it wouldn't make the slightest difference to the listener.
@@FreshAirRules I consider it anti-music. Like a palette cleanser or abstract art. It's fun to hear standards be broken. Not something I'd listen to a lot but the feeling of it being unexpected is nice after you've heard so many chord progressions being repeated. But it's not necessarily pleasant. You have to be really tired of regular music
Good performance, I guess. I'm no expert on Schoenberg, and certainly no pianist. What is more interesting to me is the comments section. There seems to be a lot of persons unfamiliar with atonal music, and even classical/art music in general, which is fine. It's cool that people are being exposed to this music, and hopefully some enjoy it.
Thank you! I agree with what you say. I see this music like the scaffolding on which all other music is built. Basically, it removes any unnecessary repetition of tones to give you only what would be the skeleton of a piece of music. That's what I find fascinating!
Listened for 5 seconds, skipped halfway, listened for another 5 seconds, skipped near the end, my ears started hurting and I quickly typed Wagner in the search box.
I feel like this "cleans" my ears and gets me ready to listen to tonal music again
Yes, isn't it? it is like getting back to the essence of music, each note in a unique relation to each other, not being subjected to other pitches, but free.
Detox
@@vic3026 Indeed!
I'm dying because of this comment 🤣🤣 WHY is it so TRUEEEEEEEE
I don't know if every pianist does it, but just sitting with a piano and pressing random keys and playing random chords and hearing the strange sounds evokes feelings of childish joy and playfulness and is strangely relaxing.
Learning about atonal music and microtones is like seeing colors that I couldn't see before and tasting a spice that I have not ever tasted before. It gets me so excited about what the world in general has to offer.
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@@shottysteve ? Lol
Long ago they said when you go too atonal you end up with movie soundtracks. With S here, the emotions I get from this music I get is claustrophobia and tension. I find Ligeti palpable, but this stuff, simply, No. It was a mathematical experiment - like they couldn't leave the rules of Sodoku alone, but had to create puzzles with additional rules.
And regarding the 12 tone gimmick. There is no adjustment for how much time is given to each tone. If one tone exists longer than the others, it defeats the objective of music that has no basis/root/key.
The tonal exists for a reason
The heart is still alive
Math is not music..
@@JohnBerry-kz3nc Music is math. Music doesn't exist without math.
this is truly the most piece of music ever
This comment is most
As I've once read in a motivational poster... Failure is a word used by people.
Out of all of the pieces I have listened to, this sure is one of them.
Your comment makes as much sense as this music! They deserve each other. No you can't use just any words to make a point. You need to select them. Much like to make a piece of music notes need to be selected, unlike this piece. You could remove any notes and replace them with any others and it wouldn't make any difference.
@@FreshAirRules you made one of the comments
This feels like a jazz solo that just wont resolve itself
Very good analogy!
Lots of tension. Unidentifiable patterns of tension and release
Kkkkk
Isn't jazz literally just that?
@@sandeegrey5977 If you're a musician or an expert, I'd like you to explain that to me, if you have time. If not, while keeping in mind I'm not either a musician nor an expert, but just someone who does enjoy jazz here and there, in my perception, compared to some free jazz I've heard, this does lack exactly what OP said: conclusion, a sense of a path, like a speech. Some free jazz I've heard was really "out there" and difficult to follow, but still "made sense" even to someone like me who doesn't really have the means to understand it completely. I've found the music in this video both very interesting and completely not understandable.
This is like the musical equivalent of modern art. It's weird, surreal, and makes no sense, and yet it's still just appealing enough to want to listen every now and again.
@jasper426 you're here, aren't you?
@jasper426 Oh... I'm sorry for you. I came here on my own accord. I'm searching for new sounds.
what *is* modern art🤔
@@urmumske1248 e.g. banana taped to a wall.
@@urmumske1248 Art but good
When I fell overwhelmed with "regular" music I turn to this. Atonal doesn't mean bad - atonal for me means one of the best ways to express yourself through music. Cheers!
Yes. Me too! :) I love how Shoenberg preferred calling it Pantonal. Somehow it feels that way to me.
@@THEBIASEDCOMPOSER Exactly, it's appealling in a strange way.
How can it be one of the best ways to express yourself with such limitations ?
your name checks out
@@erliLila limitations? For me it looks more like complete freedom for the creativity...
Also, what I'm getting from this is sort of a Zelda: Breath of the Wild overworld feel. I can imagine stumbling upon some ruins of ancient technology and this theme playing around it.
I know about atonality and some pieces are disonant etc...even if they respect the rules but they really sound as a collection of random notes
That's because, due to its atonal nature, where it deliverately avoids mode, the result is music that sounds fragmented and (in this case) has a lot of silences, and several of these "fragments" sound like the little ditties that play whenever you discover something in a Zelda game.
Exactly thats why im here. I here this sound (i play BothW in this Moment the first Time), and thought: Is this atonal music? 🙂
And sorry for my english, im german!
I, too, at first made the connection with BotW.. This game is also the reason I came to love atonal music. However, after hearing the overworld theme many times (well, can you call it a theme?), I don't think it's atonal, but extremely tonal-chromatic. I haven't seen the score yet, though.
Some chords and notes remind me BoTW too.. the influence is evident. But for ones that wonder if BoTW music is atonal the answer is no.
I want to see this kind of music but in other genres. Give me an atonal boss theme with a sick beat or something. That'd be awesome.
Momento mori
Give Frank Zappa 200 motels a listen . Parts of the album are reminiscent of Schoenberg and Stravinsky but there is some goofy music in there as well.
Meshuggah
How about this
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@@NoNo-xh7ru try this one, u7228 by Hundotte
They remind me of when I have no thoughts or plans at all while playing my lyre harp and looking at the sky in my room. It’s all just however I feel and wherever my heart leads me towards to. Within the chaos, I found peace and simple beauty in them. It has no meaning and no papers and pen to write it all down. Just me in the moment
This is just beautiful! I love your playing, resonance of that piano and simply these pieces. Such little gems, clear and crystal
Yes, indeed! Thank you!
It's like if people don't immediately "get" this type of music they think that no one could ever "get" it and genuinely enjoy it. The fact that someone claims to like it makes them think that they are just pretending.
They go on the defensive and offend other people in the comments when they realise that actually lots of people authentically enjoy this music. "How could they?". They probably feel "stupid" for not "getting" it, so they vehemently reject the notion that atonal music could have any type of worth resorting to calling people "snob", "pretentious"...
The reality is that yes, there are people who enjoy atonal music and no, you don't need to be "intelligent", a "genius" or "superior" to "get" it. If you listen repeatedly and with an open mind one day you will find yourself to like it. We are so used to strict tonal music, exposed to it since our birth, that other ways of organising sound are alien to us and may seem random at first.
This same type of argument could be made for modern/contemporary art in general. You should assume that there will always exist people who genuinely enjoy pieces of art you can't understand, but that doesn't mean that you are "inferior" or "stupid". Maybe you need to get used to the artistic language, maybe you don't actually enjoy it, and that's fine, the world would be boring if we were all the same.
I don't know if anyone will ever read this overly long thought, but I'm just tired of all the gratuitous hate in the comment section of every mildly popular modern/contemporary music video.
As someone who doesn't understand contemporary music, I'm curious to know what you find appealing in this type of pieces. I don't want to criticize or make fun of anyone, I'm just really curious about the connections that people who enjoy atonal music make in their brain, the pattern or feelings that push them towards hearing more pieces like this. Again, english is not my first language so I might have accidentaly written this in a critical tone, but I can't stress enough that I don't want to ridicule other people's tastes. I just want to understand.
@@davidemontanaro8477 That's a really difficult question to answer but I'll try the best I can. Usually one is never asked the reason of a preference and I wouldn't exactly know how to explain why I like milk for example, and I don't think there's a rational explanation.
Usually everyone has different preferences, different tastes and no one should be forced to like something. Nevertheless I believe that acquired preferences do exist and that they are potentially available for everyone; for example everyone can get accustomed to black coffee. I remember for example that ~5 years ago I couldn't appreciate pre-twentieth century classical music and it took me a long time to do so.
In general, in every aspect of life, humans dislike what is unknown, but an exposure that allows to know it, to understand it, to identify its patterns (both conscioudly and unconsciously) can potentially create a preference: if you are exposed to something you will eventually like it to a degree and more quickly if you engage consciously with it. The perfect example of this is pop music, which is designed to be uncomplicated, perfectly adherent to musical canons already well known to the public and is repeatedly played on various media: the objective is to appeal to the largest possible mass of people in order to make a profit. On the other hand classical music is (generally) much more complex and unfamiliar, therefore one or two unengaged listenings are not enough to create a preference (I do not mean this as a value judgement and it's hopefully ab objective statement even though I do know that not all pop music or classical music is as I described).
All this long digression is to say that also twentieth century music is an acquired preference, even though I still believe that there would still be a hierarchy of preferences among all this music.
Twentieth century classical music is incredibly rich and diverse in terms of classical music (I call it classical referencing the same "tradition" of composers) but at the same time it's much less known than conventional classical music. In general you can find both 'atonal' and tonal music, even though the harmonies are usually very different from the nineteenth century ones. Sometimes pitch doesn't matter so much and the important parts are rhythm and/or timbre and/or dynamics. The composers try to give coherence to the pieces in extremely diverse ways and often a little research beforehand helps to understand the pieces.
Strictly speaking Schönberg and the 2nd viennese school belong to the modernism era while contemporary classical is usually considered to be either music by living composers or belonging to the second half of the century and beyond. The two most important composers of the first half of the century were Schönberg and Stravinsky.
Schönberg basically tried to do away with tonality but in continuity with a general trend of the period, in which tonality became more and more ambiguous. There's a first period of 'free atonality' (which he called pantonality) in which he simply composed simply trying not to sound tonal, beginning from "Verklärte Nacht" (a beautifully decadent tone poem, still tonal), "Drei Klavierstücke" op. 11 and the String Quartet no. 2 (three wonderful pieces). There's no abrupt interruption with the previous classical music, other than the 'lack' of tonality nothing else changed. This video's piece belongs to this phase, even though is not my favourites.
To enjoy this kind of pieces you have first to accustom yourself with 'dissonance' (which is really not a well defined concept; Schönberg believed that dissonance is simply a more complex consonance) then try to follow the flow of the music enjoying the various unusual harmonies created.
I think you might need repeated listenings over a long period of time to appreciate the music fully, as for most of twentieth century classical music.
You could also listen to the first string quartet and see the evolution of schönberg's music. I personally like all of his 4 string quartets.
As for the emotions provoked, that is very subjective. Personally I feel mainly dark emotions listening to most of his music (not all) but that doesn't mean that atonality can only transmit those kind of emotions: it's because the 2nd Viennese school was expressionistic in nature and those are the kind of emotions the pieces are meant to evoke.
Later Schönberg developed the 12 tone method to compose which imposed a set of rules meant to replace tonal harmonies creating a new order for the notes' pitches: this has been recognized as a revolution for music and has been very influential during the twentieth century. The method's aim was that of equalize the importance af all notes so as to render atonal composition easier, even though it can be used also in a tonal manner.
You don't have to know the rules to enjoy the music, just as you don't have to know music theory to enjoy tonal compositions (even though it may help).
The first composition fully composed in this way is the Suite op. 25, personally one of my favourite pieces by Schönberg. I also like the Piano Concerto op. 42 and the String Trio op. 45.
The other members of the 2nd Viennese school are Alban Berg and Anton Webern. Berg remained always the most attached to romanticism, adopting the 12 tone system but breaking the rules and creating a sense of tonality. I like his Piano sonata (not 12 tone) and his Violin Concerto (12 tone).
Webern adopted the 12 tone method but in a pointillistic and abstract manner, becoming really influential for serialism, with composers like Stockhausen and Boulez. With his later works the importance of the notes' exact pitches decreased, leading to a prevalence of the parameters of rhythm, timbre and dynamics. Some of my favourite pieces are the Five movements for string quartet op. 5 (not 12 tone), the Symphony op. 21 and the String quartet op. 28.
The 12 tone method lead to musical serialism, the system of composition by which one or more parameters other than pitch (timbre, rhythm, dynamics) were to be ordered according to the same principle already used for pitch. This kind of system was criticised for being excessively restrictive and obscure (although I like some of these compositions and I wouldn't reject an entire type of compositions, also considering that a good composer can make the method work) and its popularity lasted for about a decade. Both Stockhausen and Boulez (the latter formerly extremely dogmatic) went on to compose in a more free and more accessible manner.
Bear in mind that atonal 12 tone/serialist music, is among the least accessible types of music of the century (the new complexity movement is maybe a worthy contender but that's another story) so you shouldn't be discouraged if you first fail to appreciate it. It may well be that it is not your type of music and that's ok, there's plenty of other music.
For example Bartok, Stravinsky, Poulenc, Dallapiccola, Shostakovic, Prokofiev, Ives, Ornstein, Sorabji, Boulanger, Ginastera and Tailleferre in the first half of the century and Rzewski, Scelsi, Carter, Babbitt, Maderna, Nono, Xenakis, Schnittke, Gubaidulina, Penderecki, Andriessen, Rautavaara, Kapustin, John Adams, Sciarrino, Lisa Streich, Finnissy, Thomas Adès and Ferneyhough in the second half.
One of my favourite pieces of the second half of the century is The People United Will Never be Defeated by Rzewski, a set of variations which is very accessible and eclectic, with a very interesting structure: a masterpiece of the 20th century.
If you want to know more about 20th century classical music I would suggest to watch the two final lessons of Leonard Bernstein's Norton Lectures (although all six are extremely interesting) and Stockhausen's British Lectures. You can find them on the saved playlists section of my channel.
There's also the book "The rest is noise" by Alex Ross, which talks about 20th century classical music.
Some interesting youtubers which you can consult may be the composer Samuel Andreyev and Classical Nerd.
I hope you arrived at the end of this mini-essay (which I'm quite proud of) but It doesn't matter, I just hope that some people may be persuaded by my comment to give a chance to more than a whole century of music.
Countless composers spent their whole life writing extremely original, inventive, expressive, shocking and gut-wrenching music which is currently underappreciated, maybe for an excess of innovation and distance from more popular music and maybe also for a certain distrust towards modern art in general.
One should confide in the worthiness of a piece judging by the work the author put into the music and by the presence of a (relatively limited) audience.
Thank you for your attention.
@Nilmand
Thanks man.
I just found this song (through a Reddit post bashing it as if they're pickin some kind of low hanging fruit) and actually found the composition appealing. Resonated and evoked certain emotions I guess...
Going to look into more atonal pieces in classical work.
When it comes to pop music, I'm sure there are many artists who have used atonal instrumental. Which pop bands using that stand out to you most?
If your comment were to be something like atonal music, I think this would be it:
“I'm completely more annoying to listen stone talk, be more vocal and creative, but either way it’s far close too near impossible… Merry Christmas!”
@@Nilmandthank you
Takes a very skilled pianist and musician to play this. More difficult still to make it sound like music.
Yeah hard to make 🤮 sound like music.
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My discovery of atonality was perhaps the best thing that ever happened to me. Really relieved myself compositionally, and I started applying “atonality” to other aspects of my life and it was quite liberating.
That is indeed very interesting! I will ruminate on it.
These pieces are perfect little gems. Every note in exactly the right place. Not a note too many. No wonder Webern worshipped him. The "Sehr Langsam" has you holding your breath waiting for the next note.
Thank you!
no
"Every note is exactly in the right place".
HahahahahahahHaha great one
@@ignacioclerici5341 no
Beautiful. I love the way the piano resonates. It makes this music come alive.
This feels like a complete rejection of everything I, a casual listener, know about music. It feels directionless and incalculable; a completely new experience.
The really interesting thing is that the composer was structurally very conservative. It's just that he was very much experimenting with new tonal ideas. He was also an inventor and created his own version of 4-person chess.
The "directionless" feeling you get is because of the lack of a key center. Pop music is based on tonal functional harmony, which has a key center (C major, Eb minor, F dorian and so on) which chords resolve to. Atonal music has none of that: every key has the same weight.
These pieces are so relaxing. Something very peaceful about it.
It's really good to be able to see the music while listening to it, I think it makes it even more intresting
It is indeed an interesting piece
Thank you!
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Very good performance! I've recently been trying to listen to more "experimental" music, and it's been an interesting journey. This music is the type that my brain seems to be telling me is wrong yet, despite that, I keep coming back to it and listening again. Pantonality is very interesting and this music is good music. Thanks, Schoenberg!
No matter how much I try to listen to this kind of music, I still can't find any beauty or enjoyment in it. And I don't think it's a bad thing, in fact I think it's one of the most surprising aspects of music: the ability to produce different experiences and results in each person.
That's because its just random notes! People are terrified of appearing conventional and stilted. Well when something is not music it should be identified as NOT music. Random notes that make no sense are not music.
@@FreshAirRules You are wrong, this is incredibly tightly packed and well structured. Although, I will have to say that Charles Ives creates the best atonal masterpieces.
@@Arobamod Its for people who have very low standards in music. The same people will call something art that is actually paint splatter. Art is earned. This was nonsensical drivel. Of course there are other modern classical music pieces that actually make sense! Many of them. This isn't one of them though.
This is how I feel about just about any minimalist music, especially Philip Glass.
@@FreshAirRules what is your favorite piece of music? We'll see who has low standards.
無調音楽の傑作です。さすがシェーンベルク！
A masterpiece of atonal music. As expected, Schoenberg!
Yes, indeed!
It's really nice to hear some emphasizing conventional and rewarding aspects of musical appreciation and enjoyment - emotions, evocations, sensations - in talking about Schoenberg. I still feel there is misunderstanding in the world about post-tonal music, that it's not authentically aesthetic.
Thank you! yes, indeed, this word of "A-tonal" has such a wrong connotation. That is why I would prefer the work "pan-tonal", as Schoenberg himself described it. The feeling that notes are still talking and relating to one another, only in a much more complex/simple and unique way, each note master of its own world, each one its own tonal centre.
My singing teacher today bought up in our lesson atonal music from Schoenberg and Im blown away. Why havent I heard about it before? Anyhow, great video. Thanks for sharing his music with us!
Thank you!
I don't particularly like listening to it, especially on a daily basis, but I completely understand and respect the art behind it, the purpose behind it, the vision and concept behind it. It fits really well with specific stories in movies, that's probably why it's used in a mischievous ways in some aspects of cinema, it also has an uneasiness to it that can portray an image of life out of balance and feelings of disorder, and mental challenges. And to some extent I think I can relate to the frame of mind you're in when you write atonal pieces. It's thought provoking but to what end? Maybe the sole purpose is simply to provoke the mind..
This just feels good to listen to. I love the way you played it.
It's a different sensation. And I like it.
Like I just want you to HIT the keys if that makes sense-- VERY immensely satisfying
Thank you!
111 years of beauty 🌎
Thank you for your study and performance.
It sounds like me trying to play the piano when I was 5
Don't kid yourself, you weren't this good at 5. Even if you think atonal music sounds bad, it's better than whatever a non-musician can randomly create by hitting the keys.
Grey Fox lmao ok
@@talya_gnat4550 pretend you're better than Schoenberg if that's what you need to feel good about yourself I guess
sunkentree oh no not the "quirky" people coming after me. You know music has a mathematical science behind it, that us humans just naturally understand. This uhh..music..if you want to call it, is simply a deliberate disruption of the proper way music is to be written. I'm sure that if any of the great musicians or pianists, like Bach or Beethoven, heard this, I doubt that they would call it music but I digress :)
I don't understand why people think this music is hard to listen. To me the colors are different (in a good way) but the chords are beautiful as fuck.
Also if you don't think that pantonal music has "mathematical science" behind it, you are horribly wrong. I mean look at Xenakis for example
When I was in college, I was a music major. I listened to everything. I also studied a little of the Atonal music and Schoenberg was the only one that I could actually enjoy without getting annoyed. I actually like his music
Zappa ever pique your interest?
You should check out Berg, Krenek, the early pieces of Rautavaara, and the few works of Adorno.
Try Dallapiccola
@@MrvlZmb Dallapiccola is serial but no more atonal than Prokofiev or Bartok
I know nothing about music theory, but I quite enjoyed this
Man, I used to trash on atonality, but this is actually like super expressive. I'm actually writing my own atonal pieces, now
It makes me happy to hear that! To tell you the truth it took me some time also to get familiar with it. Anyways, I think this pieces are very nice. Let me know how your piece goes.
@@THEBIASEDCOMPOSER i mean i still do make fun of atonality. No composer can resist that, but like, I like atonality.
@@pathos_music :)😄 OK. It is a good approach to life in general.
I listened to this all the way through, and i actually kind of enjoyed it.
Thank you!
@@THEBIASEDCOMPOSER Ci vuole molto talento per suonare la musica atonale, congratulazioni!
@@purplrshadowyay Grazie! 😊
Even atonal music has a harmony in itself. This one is very good example of it.
This is really interesting- thank you.
Thank you!
To me, atonal is a way to do story telling without words, I mean, you can with tonal music, but atonal has the “absurd” notes and changes that add a certain depth to the story being told. Definitely best to go along with a video of some sort, unless you use your imagination.
true it’s very “stage” like needs a singer/narrator
The final piece in this video, I can kindddd of see that, if i really stretch my imagination a bit. But thats mainly cause the A - F# - B chord was repeated so much it almost felt like a point of arrival or somewhere eerie but familiar. Kind of like tonality lol. I could base the rest of the piece around that chord as a point of reference. But for the others... I can't hear any story at all to be honest ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ begins bizarre, middle is bizarre, ending is bizarre. Bizarre isn't really a bad thing but If you never leave that feeling then I can't really see a "story" or any form of progress at all. It's like a story with only one plot point and the story ends. Or maybe I'm just not used to it
To everyone who hears this music and thinks "wow this is garbage", I implore you to think more along the lines of "this music is intentional, it was composed this way with thought. Why did the composer make this?"
easy - he wanted to "guarantee the supremacy of German music for 1000 years". He failed
@@edwardgivenscomposer hahahaha lol.
Even tough i agree, Schoenberg, to be fair, was a brillant unique composer before he created this failed dumb experiment called atonality.
It's baffling and difficult to understand how a composer who was so good at writing music had this terrible idea afterwards.
It seems as if something terrible happened to him and he became so negative and depressed that he decided to create an abomination, a monster in music.
An example of his profound and beautiful music is his canon for strings n. 19, his Gurre Lieder orchestral prelude, Vekhlarte Nacht, and his beautiful song: Dank (op 1)
@@ignacioclerici5341 probably getting removed from his country for being Jewish.
Very impressive. While the pieces look easy from the sheet music, giving a convincing interpretation can be harder - but you nailed it
Thank you!
This reminds me of being a kid and taking in music for the first time again, it feels new and like I'm still yet to learn how to understand and predict it!
I actually looked this up after learning about the use of this music in German train stations as hostile architecture to prevent loitering.
I'd hang around the train station and take it in lol.
Chopin : what is this kind of music?
Franz liszt : i have no idea.
Mozart and other classical musicians : me too.
Schoenberg : it is a beauty of music
Beethoven: wait... what ... what you just say... i cant hear it ?
old Liszt: hey guys i found out what is atonal mu... guys? are y'all still there? :(
@@guii8993 None of the greats would take this rubbish seriously. Its like modern art. Nothing makes sense.
@@FreshAirRules i am inclined to not agree, but ok if you think this way
@@FreshAirRules Liszt wrote atonal music and many other composers have around the same time as well.
@@mikeballs3249 What did he write that was atonal? Does anyone play it?
Beautiful music!, Good job! 👏 👏
I was very curious to experience atonal music. I am autistic. This kind of music feels like dancing on broken glass while watching some Picassos. It is very strange, very out of phase und extremly painful. I don't think I should do this again but I'm glad I tried.
This comment was hilarious.
Thanks
@@ignacioclerici5341 You're welcome.
No se nada de música y ahora menos después de oir esto. Gracias
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For how I see it: these pieces aren’t meant to sound “musical” in the way we recognize something as “musical”, it’s cold math, it’s filled with Bach’s and flemings’ contrapunctal technique, I don’t see it so much different than Musical Offering or The Art of Fugue, it’s just the natural evolution of music through history. For those wondering, Arnold Schoenberg is an incredible composer whose also composed tonal music in his earlier years (String Quartet in D major to mention one) also would suggest checking out Gurrelieder as its first scene is one of the greatest pieces of music I’ve heard and I’ve listened to quite some stuff (lately especially) also suggest Verklarte Nacht. Alban Berg might suit your taste as he can still keep a liiiittle glance of tonality in his piano sonata no.1!
i really liked 3:39 through 4:42 made my heart go crazy fast. not something i would listen to but i enjoyed it.
Oh, damn, this gives me anxiety
Awesome!
The start of modern music after the silence at the end of Mahler 9th symphony in 1909.
Excerpt from a good book: "Hardly anybody actually listens to atonal music because of the near exclusion of small-integer ratio intervals in melody and harmony. The brain hears atonal music as chaotic, irritating static. The brain responds to small-integer-ratio tunes. Thats biological reality. Its inborn, true of infants, true of adults, and applies cross-culturally."
That's interesting. Does this research include the exceptions? Some might hear this music as refreshing. I love the combination of both, tonal and pantonal. As far as intervals go, wouldn't each sound on its own complete the range of harmonic intervals? Anyways, thank you!
I like that l'apris faun song that is tonal but also free tonal in many places.
While I agree that more and more complex ratios sound more dissonant I don't think that this means the music sounds bad, we do enjoy dissonance depending on how its used, be it because we grew up listening music that has dissonance or because its just a genetic thing that for some reason we enjoy it. For example a minor second [if I looked that up correctly] should have a 16:15 ratio, which should be pretty bad, yet we love it in some contexts. If simple ratios mean good sounding music we should only be listening to octaves and perfect fifths in just intonation. I have not formally studied any of this, I am no expert, just speaking from bits that I read online, but a hypothesis that I believe is that while simple ratios sound nice the brain needs more information to stay entertained, that is, if we only listen to simple ratios it becomes boring.
Sometimes music has to be stimulant to express human's soul better. I can listen to atonal music all day and not even get bored, it is a fascinating thing for me. I think you would like to link that source too because I know tons of people who love atonal music.
@@yagiz885 So, what should I exactly link this to?
this music makes me feel like i have dementia
Hahahahah same !
This video is very well made; how do you only have 695 subscribers?
Because no sane person likes atonal music
@@shakey3306 "sane" people can't and have no hope of seeing past the veil
This is really beautiful 😍
I believe so too! Thank you!
Extremely beautiful!
I cried listening to it !! 😭😭
It was too painful.
Okay....
This is definitely the music genre of all time
"Good JOB Arnold! We're gonna put this one right here on the refrigerator so everyone can see"
Arnold: "Alright!"
It scares me, I love it
The great flattening.
Sounds like something careful, like it would play during a sneaking scene in a movie.
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Interesting thing Im thinking- this looks more fun to perform than it is to listen to. (Not saying its BAD to listen to, though.) The same sort of thing as interpretive dance. Infinitely fun to perform. Or at least, thats what it looks like, Im no pianist. I do theatre. Maybe that influenced this take? Idk
Yes, I understand what you mean, though I am still not so sure of it. Am wondering how would others feel about it. As for me some composers are more pleasant to perform, as in, they fit the hands and flow better, this might not be the case with these pieces.
Thanks for the comment.
Mußten wir auf dem Gymnasium 1978 bei Professor K. im Musikunterricht lernen und hat als interessante Kompositionstechnik sicher nicht geschadet zu kennen.
Habe auch so manches Mal davon profitiert diese Materie zu kennen, beispielsweise in der Harmonielehre in der 11. Klasse in Bezug auf Bach'sche Fugen.
Ich gebe aber zu, dass diese Musik, im Übrigen wie auch der Free-Jazz, wirklich schwer zu hören ist.
Wissen ist Macht, nichts wissen macht auch nichts😂.
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This is Top 40 radio on the utopian world that is my home planet. Turn that ish UP.
I've only just heard of atonal music as of recent, being told it's an acquired taste.
While it certainly isn't mine, I'm glad I now know about and (vaguely) understand it.
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give Toru Takemitsu a try
Perfect to play in your front yard on Halloween
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I love it
You can’t even okay the dynamics written.
everything you expect to happen just doesn't happen 😂
I'd imagine this is what music sounds in some sort of reverse world.
Splendid performance!
Thank you! I tried my best with the piano not being in such a good shape.
I love atonal music when people comes and tells me I know everything I am masters in music I just tell them I am studying Schoenberg
This gives me black and white mute movies. I'm gonna loop it until my brain stops craving a resolution.
Interesting! :)
Well in fact I just discovered I'm an atonal music pro !
1:15 the bars on this photo are so beautiful
the next one too
That's some good shit right there. Tonal harmony is very cool, but I feel like we, as creative human beings, should expand our horizons. Non-metric atonal pop music, that's what the world needs. That's what would solve all our issues.
in reality, that'd probably explode the world.
This just gets me ready to hear the real beauty of tonal
This gives me the same feeling regular classical music gives me. Makes me anxious and edgy.
Feels like my improvisation, but a lot better.
Это шедевр!👏👏👏
I'm also amazed that the piano player can read this so well. I would have just written, "Make up whatever you want."
Lol, i improvised like when i get frustrated, it sounds soo....... Atonal..
You should also play Boulez 3rd piano sonata.
This is suprisingly accessible for non-musicians. Just need a little explanation, and they might enjoy it
And this is why we have tonal music.
This sounds like it was gonna be used in the Hunger Games cornucopia scene but they scrapped it
You don't have to think atonal music especially Schoenberg's early atonal pieces like this as a buch of random free pitches.We have to see it as an extension of tonality.
This opus has a strict,almost traditional structure. Every piece is related with the next and all together has tonal centre of the semitonal relation between b and b flat. That's the reason we call it not weird but beautiful. It's simply an other language you have to learn it if you want.If you don't like it anybody forces you to listen.
We all love dinosaurs. Dinosaurs are awesome! But after the dinosaurs came primates. We call it evolution. Nowhere will you see angry paleontologists wanting to execute primate biologists!
I think I just heard this in an episode of Foyles War in an interrogation scene.
150th anniversary of Schoenberg’s birth this year. Celebrations are planned and Schoenberg getting a lot of press.
Yes, indeed!
not only atonal but arhythmic too
How about a-intelligent. Its rubbish.
@@FreshAirRules your mind refuses to be open about the matter, it cannot be helped
This is most certainly not arhythmic
@@zkdr6278 Just my opinion. When I hear garbage masquerading as music I call it out. This is not music. Its random notes tossed on to sheet music. Like throwing darts at a board with your eyes closed. Like throwing paint on a canvas. Like writing gibberish, words that are non-sensical. Just because its different doesn't mean its music. It fails, dead in the water like so much modern classical music. You could remove whole lines of the music and it wouldn't make the slightest difference to the listener.
@@FreshAirRules I consider it anti-music. Like a palette cleanser or abstract art. It's fun to hear standards be broken. Not something I'd listen to a lot but the feeling of it being unexpected is nice after you've heard so many chord progressions being repeated. But it's not necessarily pleasant. You have to be really tired of regular music
I dont understand Schoenberg, because I think that everybody can compose like this.
Fun fact: Beethoven was black
Sounds like a jazz musician without short term memory.
Good performance, I guess. I'm no expert on Schoenberg, and certainly no pianist. What is more interesting to me is the comments section. There seems to be a lot of persons unfamiliar with atonal music, and even classical/art music in general, which is fine. It's cool that people are being exposed to this music, and hopefully some enjoy it.
Thank you! I agree with what you say. I see this music like the scaffolding on which all other music is built. Basically, it removes any unnecessary repetition of tones to give you only what would be the skeleton of a piece of music. That's what I find fascinating!
this feels like the ganon scenes in wind waker ❤
Resident Evil dual shock edition basement vibes
Listened for 5 seconds, skipped halfway, listened for another 5 seconds, skipped near the end, my ears started hurting and I quickly typed Wagner in the search box.
Serialism sounds like an excuse to jump from Locrian to Locrian... without any of the repercussions
is the band the dillinger escape plan atonal??
wondering why i already like this when this is an aqquired taste
Great. So I can play piano and if someone asks me to stop I can say it is atonal
Perfect expression of our meaningless world. Goes with deconstruction and so on. Impossible to memorize. A world of despair.
Sounds like me in a piano store
Schönberg is famous for lowering the attendance to any concert in which one of his pieces was played! Small wonder!
I went to see Schoenberg's piano concerto recently; The concert hall was packed and the applause was massive
I feel like I’m in the room just before a Zelda boss fight
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thank you!
sounds like a Disney princess sneaking around ??
Lol jajajajaja
Dear Pushkar. Perhaps yours is the one to study. Excellent.
Thank you! Am honoured.