Assuming synced up means they both have the exact same experiences with each other then…They’re never synced up by definition, they can’t be because the last moment of her life is the first time they met from the doctor’s perspective… and the one exception to this is not the last time the doctor sees her. So… what do you guys mean by “synced up”?
The journal is written by river. The handcuff thing was referring to other situations, some yet to come in the show. But she does not yet know about how she will pass and the handcuffs involved with that situation.
Doubly so when you realise this was actually the first episode he filmed. They shot out of order, and this was his first time playing the Doctor, other than the brief regeneration scene with David,
I'm excited to revisit these episodes for the first time as I edit them for RUclips so I can see if the overall story makes a little more sense now that I've seen how everything plays out. lol
whats crazy is how overly complicated moffats writing can be and also nonsensical but then at times he always over explains whats going on because he figures most viewers especially the children are beneath him in terms of intellect so the audience might be too stupid to pick up what hes putting down. or maybe im reading into it a bit much
@@MattHurst100 yea there were a lot of filming inconsistencies in the first 2 episodes when they would goto a different camera perspective like on the rooftop when he called back the giant eyeballs and it would replay something we just saw cause of bad editing or like the faces on the statue in the lift in the beast bellow when the camera angle changes the face is on the wrong one. to i sighed at the jacket oversight in this episode... and then in the finally they at least explained this one.
@@roborob4296 I disagree. I like the complexity of Steven's stories, and in my opinion far from treating his audience as stupid, he assumes they're intelligent enough to pay attention and follow the clues. It's an old saying in theatre; assume an intelligent audience and you'll get an intelligent audience. I much prefer that to stories where the ending is obvious 5 minutes into the episode (e.g. Orphan 55) or where they have the surface appearance of complexity but can't ultimately come up with any coherent narrative (e.g. most of Flux).
(9:54) "I don't remember what he said" yes, that's because he hasn't said it yet. this is one AWESOME piece of dr. who, and the way this season wraps up is a mind fuck.
I know a lot of people thought that last scene was over the line, but at this point Amy has been thinking and dreaming about this mysterious stranger for 12 years.
(Spoiler) We also get an explanation of sorts in the next episode, implying that it was kind of an adrenaline rush with the Doctor to an extent happening to be the man on the scene. If Rory had been in this episode, it might've been him instead.
she dreamt of someone who was more like a guardian and father figure for her. these kind of people necessarily translates in wanting to be horny for them, in your eyes, I guess😒😒😒
Did you notice that he was wearing his jacket when he "came back" to talk to Amy? Everyone was so proud they found a mistake until the end of the series aired.
Also how she missed his major mood shift at this point, first she mentioned how kind he was to Amy, then a few moments later she complained about the doctor yelling in anger.
@@BritanyBingesit’s such luckily great acting choices from Alex Kingston since she didn’t find out River’s deal until they were filming the end of the season! (Similar to in the Library episodes when she touches the Doctor’s neck where his bow tie would be)
This is where I really took to Amy. She handled the situation with walking with her eyes closed while surrounded by weeping angels so well considering. I'd have been a wreck 😂. And the mystery behind River Song deepens.
Yeah, I really liked how she handled at the angel stuff, but the bit at the end made it a kind of one step forward, two steps back kind of a thing with her character. :-/
@@BritanyBinges I agree, but I kind of found it funny. It was clumsily written after all the previous good stuff, but I did enjoy seeing Karen Gillan drawing on her comedy background for the scene (she was in some mostly forgotten sketch comedy show).
@@BritanyBinges It's part of her arc, trust me, when we get to the right point, I'll let you know what I think the arc is and why this scene was actually important to it :)
River and her story is my absolute favorite part of Doctor Who. And everything you still have coming around that is one of the best stories filmed in my opinion. I do really love this season and how little things tie all the episodes together and how you don’t realize what or how until the end of the season.
A small part of a conversation the Doctor has with someone regarding time travel and 'timey wimey' events: A person he meets: "Don't use my name. Ever. How do you know me?" The Doctor: "Well, it's a tiny bit complicated. People usually need a flowchart."
Forest of the Dead wont be in the journal as River hasnt lived through that yet. The Handcuffs comment just implies they've played around with handcuffs in her past / the doctors future.
Welcome to Time Traveler 101 - The Doctor and River live in opposite timelines. The First Time the Doctor meets River, she dies... so it is the last time she sees it. Then in theory the last time the Doctor sees her, is the first time she meets him... and stuff. To the Doctor the journal is their future meetings, to her it is the experiences they have together. She is writing the journal. Also Amy is a child to the doctor... let's face it the Doctor is centuries old all humans are like children to him. And they will die while he goes on on. A bit like a dog to us, we love out pets, want them to be happy, want to spend time with them, want then to have their best life, etc. but we know they are only around us for a small piece of our life.
In 2020, Steven Moffat admitted that he should not have played the scene where Amy tries to seduce the Doctor "for laughs", noting that Amy ignoring the Doctor's protests against her overtures does, at the very least, have some rather uncomfortable sexual assault undertones. He admitted that this was the one thing about his era would change. I'll be curious to see what you thought of the recent episode "Space Babies" when we get there on RUclips because that episode was pretty out there.
Without spoiling , River could have experienced ANYTHING in the Doctor's future as they are travelling (mostly - there are some loops) in opposite directions. And vice versa. At this time, for example. River has no knowledge of the library, but the Doctor knows that is where she "dies" - but not how she got there. As others say there is a flow chart but you should only look at it when you get to the end of the arc. You will recognise it when it comes.
"You've bought us time though. That's good. I am good with time" Love Matt Smith's delivery of most of 11's lines but that one's underrated IMO :). ** spoilers for anyone watching the episodes as the reactions come out on RUclips ** Always fun with these to see who spots the "continuity error" (I did at the time - normally i'm a bit dense with stuff like that - but initially assumed it was just a mistake. By now we knew Moffat liked the timey-wimey of course but maybe not quite just how _much_ he liked it :). Fun fact: his first professional 'Doctor Who' fiction was a 7th Doctor short story called... "Continuity Errors", which is almost entirely dissimilar to S5 _and yet_ (I think anyway) contains recognisable seeds of basically his entire run on the show.
I hope you noticed the "continuity error" when The Doctor leaves Amy in the forest and then comes back. He leaves without his coat jacket and then comes back with it on. There's a reason for that.
Back in ‘the next doctor’ jackson says people will talk about the giant cyberking forever more and the doctor just goes ‘yeah…’ since he knows no1 does but questions it. Its a very subtle moment but its explained here with the doctor saying the crack is wiping moments in time including the cyberking attacking victorian london. Also moffat says he really regrets the ending with amy trying to jump the doctor lol
21:30 Writer Steven Moffat said his biggest regret from his years in charge of _Doctor Who_ was how Amy kissed the Doctor while the Doctor was clearly not consenting. The show brushes it off / almost plays it for laughs, unfortunately. That moment at the scene where we actually see the Angels move are both terrible imo. But the rest of the episode is pretty great. 22:06 NOT a spoiler: from this ep and 4x08, the adventures from River's perspective are 1. The Pandorica 2. The Crash of the Byzantium -- this episode 3. The Library -- Series 4 and at some point before the Library was a "picnic at Asgard" and a visit to the "Singing Towers of Darillium" (I will not say if or when we ever learn anything more about Asgard or Darillium since that would be a spoiler). You're right that she should not know about the handcuffs in 4x09 yet, so in this episode she must be referring to some other handcuff event. 22:30 River asking Ten about the Byzantium in 4x08 is interesting and potentially a continuity error. She _should_ know based on David Tennant's face vs. Matt Smith's face that the Byzantium must happen after the Library from the Doctor's perspective. And yet she asks him about the Byzantium while they are at the Library. There are few possible explanations for this, but I think the easiest is that she asks him not because she actually wants the answer-she already knows he hasn't done the Byzantium yet-but because she wants to emphasize to Ten that the two of them have a history/future together.
It's interesting how fast times changed, cause at the time, the issue was here's another companion pining over the Doctor, though this time it was a moment wanting of tension release, and Amy is a bit strong in what she wants. It's good to re-evaluate the things we do and have done.
"It changes the way you see things forever. Good, isn't it?" I never noticed before but he sounds like he's a few inches from crying when he says that. Hard to imagine, all the things he must remember that have never technically happened.
Yeah - the journal contains the information about the Byzantium because River writes about it after she experienced this adventure. River meeting 10 in the library happens later on in her timeline. And therefore by the same token it's perfectly possible for River to have been imprisoned because she killed the Doctor in her past, but that event is in the future in the Doctor's timeline. The whole of this series plot is incredibly timey-wimey though, anyway... so after the finale it's a question of how many of the events of this series still happen the way it feels like they do from within this series. And some of the arc "seeds" (like "Silence will fall") carry over into the arc plot for series 6 too.
I really dont get this whole idea where people have sex before their wedding like its fine, not cheating, because they arent married yet. Just sounds like an insane thing to do
One definitely would've been handy the first time through. lol I'm excited to revisit these episodes for the first time as I edit them for RUclips so I can see if the overall story makes a little more sense now that I've seen how everything plays out.
I just realized this now after seeing this episode a few dozen times, but when the Doctor says "Who?" the script would read, "The Doctor: Who?" lol.. yeah I really need a hobby or something. Excellent reaction though! I really love how invested you get. It reminds me of the first time I saw these episodes. Matt is definitely my favorite.
Thank you, Britany! ⏳ The Doctor, Amy, River (and one other name) stuff is still my favorite thread in all of the DOCTOR WHO mythos. It will unfold as it should. You're lucky, you won't have to wait (unless you choose to for your channel's purpose)! I think you're gonna love what's to come.
I don't think Amy was in love with the Doctor. She even has the line about not thinking so "long term". The whole season for her is running away from growing up (getting married in this case). I actually think it's really interesting looking back now knowing that she has trauma from her life being messed with and that sort of behavior being pretty common for people in her mindset. Really the only complaint I can say is that it might be a little too real and taken a bit too far for a family program.
9:33 my favorite detail of this episode is the Doctor has a jacket on here, when he did not before. This is the Doctor from the finale who visited her. Of course you have already watched it, so you know, but such a great detail. I love this season everytime I watch it, perfectly written.
I was the only one in my friends group to realize when this premiered that there were 2 doctors, one in the present, no coat, and the future one with one.
Karen Gillan accidentally ran her hand up Matt Smith’s thigh during the filming of the end scene 😂 Also don’t see this as Amy wants the Doctor instead. Clearly she meant a one time thing.
The forest of the dead is probably the one thing that isn't in the journal, because in my opinion it's not a spoiler to say she's the one who wrote the journal. They meet in a word order, she uses the journal to keep track of their meetings, there are no spoilers for her in that book because she's the one who wrote it.
@@BritanyBinges yes it is an easy miss. However I am talking about why Moffat did that specifically. I assume that you have already seen why it was done? And I assume that you have already seen other things in the show that is on your Patreon?
Yeah, I keep waiting for that to pop back up. (I've only seen through Space Babies so far, so it may have already. I'll find out next week when I record the next two new episodes.)
11:57 The reason she could keep her eyes open there for more than a second, was because the Angel inside her eye got scared. So your previous statement was almost right.
"The Forest is full of Angels" that line has one of the funniest bloopers, Matt says "the Angel is full of Forests" completely straight and continues on with the scene, not realizing the flub until someone off camera cuts him off. Side note, I really dislike the angels moving on screen in this episode, kind of takes away a bit of their fear factor that was present in Blink, where they wouldn't move if the audience could also see them.
I don't know if you picked up on it while editing but when the Doctor is telling Amy to remember, that's a future version of the Doctor. Viewers at the time thought it was just a minor continuity error due to this Doctor having his jacket back, even though it was shown he'd taken it off and left it with the Angels. Sidenote, I'm really excited for when your RUclips uploads get to Series 6 😁
@@thomaspappalardo7589 its not a spoiler? She's watched all of them by this point. She's literally caught up to "Space Babies". Also, I'm not a "dude".
@@TheNovaBridger If she’s that far ahead, why point it out then, because she’s seen it. Regardless, it would have been a spoiler if she were wasn’t that far ahead. Secondly, dude is a universal term. It transcends age, sex, gender, race, and another minute difference humanity can come up with.
@@thomaspappalardo7589 Maybe because they wanted to explain how it wasn't a continuity error. And no, it's not universal to everyone, if someone doesn't want to be called a 'dude', don't.
This episode continues the trend of the Doctor kissing/ being kissed by his companions. There’s so much more about River I wish I could say, but… spoilers. You’ll find out in due course. The Matt Smith/ Steven Moffat era is my favorite.
The entire plot for river is based off of the movie "the time travelers wife" i recommend watching that. People have made movie covers with river in the style of that movie
The movie really isn't worth it, the book is _so_ much better. There's an HBO series that, unlike the movie, the author was directly involved with making.
Oh, interesting. I've seen The Time Traveler's Wife (it's actually one of the things I had in mind when I first started Doctor Who and mentioned that time travel stuff breaks my brain lol), but I hadn't made the connection to River's story.
Oh wait your already way past this season, so I’ll go ahead and spoil it, the doctor that came back to have that special moment was actually from the end of the season, you can tell cause he’s wearing his jacket or something like that that he’s not wearing in this episode. And then there’s also a moment in the first episode where it’s the future doctor coming back just like in this episode
I hope that you paid close attention to every episode of Doctor Who thus far. Continuity was a big part of this show until the end of series 10. Pay very close attention to this episode.
I do pay attention, but these reactions are also my first time seeing these episodes. So, while I do pay attention, there are definitely a lot of things that are going to get missed (or misunderstood)... especially in a show like this one.
This episode was amazing we got to see 11th doctors angry side and Matt was amazing it’s crazy to find out this 2 parter was the first 2 episodes he filmed as the new doctor cuz he feels so natural in them like he’s been the doctor for years and Karen was amazing as Amy too 👏 river was amazing story was amazing and the soldiers were amazing the weeping angels were good and scary. I didn’t mind Amy flirting and kissing the doctor because I knew it wouldn’t be a romance story but a lot of people were upset about that scene at the time. Loved your reaction can’t wait to see your reaction to the next episode
You needed that awkward ending to give context to the Amy’s choice episode ( I know she’s up to date ) Amy’s infatuation with the doctor is been going on since she was a kid.
I loved the first part, but I've always found this episode to be a frustrating experience. There seem to be things set up but left unresolved, and then Moffat throws too much more into this one. The ending also leaves a bad taste in my mouth, although I have a better idea now of what Moffat was trying to do (although he also has a mischievous sense of humour that sometimes needs reining in). I kind of feel the episode needs to be re-edited.
Wait ... what did I miss? I notice anything while editing it either. I'm current through Space Babies so, no worries about spoilers for this storyline.
There’s a lot about this episode that I enjoy, not least of which is Karen Gillan’s acting. There’s one that bugs me, tho. A well, a couple but one I that I find insurmountably annoying. One of the little things is that we see the Angels move; it’s jarring because, as you said, we’d never seen that before. But we hadn’t seen it before because that was a creative decision by the director of Blink rather than one technically required by the lore; I don’t /like/ it because I think the Angels work better as villains as they were portrayed in Blink, but I can deal with it. What I /can’t/ get past is that in Blink, the Doctor says that “when the Angels are seen by any living thing, they freeze into rock” and that “it’s a fact of their biology”. Ok, fine; I dig that. In this, Amy’s eyes are closed; she can’t see them, so they should be in full motion. The Doctor’s “you’re going to have to move like you can see” line feels to me like a change lore done because the writer wanted to write a scene, and not because it’s consistent with the previously (and recently) established lore about the angels. It makes the “freezing into rock” a semi-conscious act rather than “a fact of their biology. I like to think my suspension of disbelief goes a fare distance, but this just fees like lazy writing to me. Ok, rant over. :)
You have a long wait to find out who River Song really is but I am not going to tell you because spoilers. The cracks in time is mystery is this season
Yeah that last scene is super uncomfortable. Moffat says he regrets writing that scene now but man , that scene is not a pleasant watch. Rest of the episode is great, even if the rules of the mechanics of the angels contradict themselves here
@@BritanyBinges Oh okay, well in this episode when the Doctor comes back to talk to Amy, telling her to remember, you can see he is wearing his coat again, showing it's not the Doctor from this episode, but the one from the future.
I feel like a middle schooler because i can't stop giggling how much you overthought a silly dirty joke. It's cute. It is a side effect of how deep throw away lines in other seasons were. I was glad that Amy's infatuation with the Doctor was shown to be more hero worship and self sabotage than actual attraction. Cheating is a huge turn off to me and this ending almost ruined her character for me. I gave her a chance though and saw she was just scared, but her heart was always Rory's. Doesn't justify this, but a momentary freak out is not the same as being a person who consciously and continuously cheats.
Oh I hated that scene at the end where Amy tries to seduce the Doctor it was such an unnecessary scene I don't know what the hell Moffat was thinking writing that in the episode. In Classic Who the Doctor was always considered an 900 year old a-sexual alien and had no sexual anything with his companions infact there never any romance what so ever in the show and it should stay out of Dr. Who in my opinion it's a science fiction children's show it's not a soap opera. He always treated his companions especially his female companions no more than a platonic friend or daughter or a niece or student/teacher kind of relationship until the 1996 movie that introduced all that crap. There was also complaints from parents to the BBC not only about the kissing scene but for Amy being too sexualised because of her too shorter skirts. But aside from that it was good episode only it was ruined by the ending.
I have to say my least favorite of season 5 (and most of the NUWho)is the next episodes. “Vampires in Venice” was a real dull episode. I rewatch it a few months ago and I don’t like it at all
One definitely would've been handy the first time through. lol I'm excited to revisit these episodes for the first time as I edit them for RUclips so I can see if the overall story makes a little more sense now that I've seen how everything plays out.
"He's not some kind of madman, then?"
"I absolutely trust him!"
🤣
The journal is written by her as she lives. It's a diary. They meet in the wrong order, so anything from her past could be in the Doctor's future.
Not always, but mostly
There is a brief moment where River and The Doctor sync up....but then it's gone.
@DarthTach it happens a couple of times to be fair but yeah syncing always comes undone almost as soon as it happens.
Assuming synced up means they both have the exact same experiences with each other then…They’re never synced up by definition, they can’t be because the last moment of her life is the first time they met from the doctor’s perspective… and the one exception to this is not the last time the doctor sees her. So… what do you guys mean by “synced up”?
He treats amy more like a kid sister rather than love interest
The journal is written by river. The handcuff thing was referring to other situations, some yet to come in the show. But she does not yet know about how she will pass and the handcuffs involved with that situation.
Matt is exceptional in this. When the Doctor starts to feel the pressure and is shouting at River because he is afraid of losing Amy. Great scene!
Doubly so when you realise this was actually the first episode he filmed. They shot out of order, and this was his first time playing the Doctor, other than the brief regeneration scene with David,
"My brain is not equipped to deal with time travel!" Welcome to the Moffatt era of Doctor Who, Britany! 🤔
I'm excited to revisit these episodes for the first time as I edit them for RUclips so I can see if the overall story makes a little more sense now that I've seen how everything plays out. lol
I noticed his jacket on the first watch, but with everything going on it didn’t click; just thought it was a wardrobe error
whats crazy is how overly complicated moffats writing can be and also nonsensical but then at times he always over explains whats going on because he figures most viewers especially the children are beneath him in terms of intellect so the audience might be too stupid to pick up what hes putting down. or maybe im reading into it a bit much
@@MattHurst100 yea there were a lot of filming inconsistencies in the first 2 episodes when they would goto a different camera perspective like on the rooftop when he called back the giant eyeballs and it would replay something we just saw cause of bad editing or like the faces on the statue in the lift in the beast bellow when the camera angle changes the face is on the wrong one. to i sighed at the jacket oversight in this episode... and then in the finally they at least explained this one.
@@roborob4296 I disagree. I like the complexity of Steven's stories, and in my opinion far from treating his audience as stupid, he assumes they're intelligent enough to pay attention and follow the clues. It's an old saying in theatre; assume an intelligent audience and you'll get an intelligent audience. I much prefer that to stories where the ending is obvious 5 minutes into the episode (e.g. Orphan 55) or where they have the surface appearance of complexity but can't ultimately come up with any coherent narrative (e.g. most of Flux).
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"I don't remember what he said"
yes, that's because he hasn't said it yet. this is one AWESOME piece of dr. who, and the way this season wraps up is a mind fuck.
I know a lot of people thought that last scene was over the line, but at this point Amy has been thinking and dreaming about this mysterious stranger for 12 years.
(Spoiler)
We also get an explanation of sorts in the next episode, implying that it was kind of an adrenaline rush with the Doctor to an extent happening to be the man on the scene. If Rory had been in this episode, it might've been him instead.
Dreaming about it for 12 years doesn’t make it ok 💀
@@dearthofdoohickeys4703 I'm not saying it is okay, I'm saying it is ... a realistic portrayal.
she dreamt of someone who was more like a guardian and father figure for her. these kind of people necessarily translates in wanting to be horny for them, in your eyes, I guess😒😒😒
Did you notice that he was wearing his jacket when he "came back" to talk to Amy? Everyone was so proud they found a mistake until the end of the series aired.
Also how she missed his major mood shift at this point, first she mentioned how kind he was to Amy, then a few moments later she complained about the doctor yelling in anger.
Yeah, I didn’t notice that either until the end of the series. That was a great part of it.
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@@MichaelJohnson-kq7qg you can't spoil it for her. She's literally caught up
@@mrdr0161 yes but they might not have been around when she mentioned about patreon and being caught up
I love how River is with Amy. On retrospective it's so much more than it seems when you watch this for the first time...
Yeah, it's going to be so fun to revisit all their episodes now that I know what the real story is between them.
@@BritanyBingesit’s such luckily great acting choices from Alex Kingston since she didn’t find out River’s deal until they were filming the end of the season! (Similar to in the Library episodes when she touches the Doctor’s neck where his bow tie would be)
This is where I really took to Amy. She handled the situation with walking with her eyes closed while surrounded by weeping angels so well considering. I'd have been a wreck 😂. And the mystery behind River Song deepens.
Yeah, I really liked how she handled at the angel stuff, but the bit at the end made it a kind of one step forward, two steps back kind of a thing with her character. :-/
Plus coming onto the Doctor like that was so bloody gutsy and hilarious.😆👏🏻
@@BritanyBinges I agree, but I kind of found it funny. It was clumsily written after all the previous good stuff, but I did enjoy seeing Karen Gillan drawing on her comedy background for the scene (she was in some mostly forgotten sketch comedy show).
@@BritanyBinges It's part of her arc, trust me, when we get to the right point, I'll let you know what I think the arc is and why this scene was actually important to it :)
@@chazo1367 I've seen all of Amy's story. I'm actually in the new season over on Patreon.
River and her story is my absolute favorite part of Doctor Who. And everything you still have coming around that is one of the best stories filmed in my opinion. I do really love this season and how little things tie all the episodes together and how you don’t realize what or how until the end of the season.
A small part of a conversation the Doctor has with someone regarding time travel and 'timey wimey' events:
A person he meets: "Don't use my name. Ever. How do you know me?"
The Doctor: "Well, it's a tiny bit complicated. People usually need a flowchart."
Forest of the Dead wont be in the journal as River hasnt lived through that yet. The Handcuffs comment just implies they've played around with handcuffs in her past / the doctors future.
The date is the day the finale aired, and the day she gets married
Welcome to Time Traveler 101 - The Doctor and River live in opposite timelines. The First Time the Doctor meets River, she dies... so it is the last time she sees it. Then in theory the last time the Doctor sees her, is the first time she meets him... and stuff.
To the Doctor the journal is their future meetings, to her it is the experiences they have together. She is writing the journal.
Also Amy is a child to the doctor... let's face it the Doctor is centuries old all humans are like children to him. And they will die while he goes on on. A bit like a dog to us, we love out pets, want them to be happy, want to spend time with them, want then to have their best life, etc. but we know they are only around us for a small piece of our life.
In 2020, Steven Moffat admitted that he should not have played the scene where Amy tries to seduce the Doctor "for laughs", noting that Amy ignoring the Doctor's protests against her overtures does, at the very least, have some rather uncomfortable sexual assault undertones. He admitted that this was the one thing about his era would change.
I'll be curious to see what you thought of the recent episode "Space Babies" when we get there on RUclips because that episode was pretty out there.
Without spoiling , River could have experienced ANYTHING in the Doctor's future as they are travelling (mostly - there are some loops) in opposite directions. And vice versa. At this time, for example. River has no knowledge of the library, but the Doctor knows that is where she "dies" - but not how she got there. As others say there is a flow chart but you should only look at it when you get to the end of the arc. You will recognise it when it comes.
I'm current through Space Babies, so no worries of spoiling anything about River.
"You've bought us time though. That's good. I am good with time"
Love Matt Smith's delivery of most of 11's lines but that one's underrated IMO :).
** spoilers for anyone watching the episodes as the reactions come out on RUclips **
Always fun with these to see who spots the "continuity error" (I did at the time - normally i'm a bit dense with stuff like that - but initially assumed it was just a mistake. By now we knew Moffat liked the timey-wimey of course but maybe not quite just how _much_ he liked it :).
Fun fact: his first professional 'Doctor Who' fiction was a 7th Doctor short story called... "Continuity Errors", which is almost entirely dissimilar to S5 _and yet_ (I think anyway) contains recognisable seeds of basically his entire run on the show.
I hope you noticed the "continuity error" when The Doctor leaves Amy in the forest and then comes back. He leaves without his coat jacket and then comes back with it on. There's a reason for that.
One of the best episodes Moffat has ever done, and the first Matt Smith ever filmed
Back in ‘the next doctor’ jackson says people will talk about the giant cyberking forever more and the doctor just goes ‘yeah…’ since he knows no1 does but questions it. Its a very subtle moment but its explained here with the doctor saying the crack is wiping moments in time including the cyberking attacking victorian london. Also moffat says he really regrets the ending with amy trying to jump the doctor lol
21:30 Writer Steven Moffat said his biggest regret from his years in charge of _Doctor Who_ was how Amy kissed the Doctor while the Doctor was clearly not consenting. The show brushes it off / almost plays it for laughs, unfortunately. That moment at the scene where we actually see the Angels move are both terrible imo. But the rest of the episode is pretty great.
22:06 NOT a spoiler: from this ep and 4x08, the adventures from River's perspective are
1. The Pandorica
2. The Crash of the Byzantium -- this episode
3. The Library -- Series 4
and at some point before the Library was a "picnic at Asgard" and a visit to the "Singing Towers of Darillium" (I will not say if or when we ever learn anything more about Asgard or Darillium since that would be a spoiler). You're right that she should not know about the handcuffs in 4x09 yet, so in this episode she must be referring to some other handcuff event.
22:30 River asking Ten about the Byzantium in 4x08 is interesting and potentially a continuity error. She _should_ know based on David Tennant's face vs. Matt Smith's face that the Byzantium must happen after the Library from the Doctor's perspective. And yet she asks him about the Byzantium while they are at the Library. There are few possible explanations for this, but I think the easiest is that she asks him not because she actually wants the answer-she already knows he hasn't done the Byzantium yet-but because she wants to emphasize to Ten that the two of them have a history/future together.
It's interesting how fast times changed, cause at the time, the issue was here's another companion pining over the Doctor, though this time it was a moment wanting of tension release, and Amy is a bit strong in what she wants. It's good to re-evaluate the things we do and have done.
So, Moffat has admitted that the ending scene is his one main regret from his time. Another being how he handled Clara is S7B
Ser Jorah the explorer is always so clingy with his crushes.
LOL, but he really does not like River, so it's kind of the opposite to Dany
I love Matt Smith’s line delivery. “Are you engaged or something?”
He sounded a bit jealous about it too. 😂
"It changes the way you see things forever. Good, isn't it?"
I never noticed before but he sounds like he's a few inches from crying when he says that. Hard to imagine, all the things he must remember that have never technically happened.
Yeah - the journal contains the information about the Byzantium because River writes about it after she experienced this adventure. River meeting 10 in the library happens later on in her timeline. And therefore by the same token it's perfectly possible for River to have been imprisoned because she killed the Doctor in her past, but that event is in the future in the Doctor's timeline.
The whole of this series plot is incredibly timey-wimey though, anyway... so after the finale it's a question of how many of the events of this series still happen the way it feels like they do from within this series. And some of the arc "seeds" (like "Silence will fall") carry over into the arc plot for series 6 too.
I really dont get this whole idea where people have sex before their wedding like its fine, not cheating, because they arent married yet.
Just sounds like an insane thing to do
Concerning Riversong, you may need a flowchart! 😵💫
One definitely would've been handy the first time through. lol I'm excited to revisit these episodes for the first time as I edit them for RUclips so I can see if the overall story makes a little more sense now that I've seen how everything plays out.
I just realized this now after seeing this episode a few dozen times, but when the Doctor says "Who?" the script would read, "The Doctor: Who?" lol.. yeah I really need a hobby or something. Excellent reaction though! I really love how invested you get. It reminds me of the first time I saw these episodes. Matt is definitely my favorite.
Thank you, Britany! ⏳ The Doctor, Amy, River (and one other name) stuff is still my favorite thread in all of the DOCTOR WHO mythos. It will unfold as it should. You're lucky, you won't have to wait (unless you choose to for your channel's purpose)! I think you're gonna love what's to come.
After this episode it's a must to listen to the:
- "Everything is ending" for Charmelleon Circuit
ruclips.net/video/P3jQ6TP0Ogo/видео.html
I don't think Amy was in love with the Doctor. She even has the line about not thinking so "long term". The whole season for her is running away from growing up (getting married in this case). I actually think it's really interesting looking back now knowing that she has trauma from her life being messed with and that sort of behavior being pretty common for people in her mindset. Really the only complaint I can say is that it might be a little too real and taken a bit too far for a family program.
9:33 my favorite detail of this episode is the Doctor has a jacket on here, when he did not before. This is the Doctor from the finale who visited her. Of course you have already watched it, so you know, but such a great detail. I love this season everytime I watch it, perfectly written.
I love how hot and cold 11 is. So fiery
I was the only one in my friends group to realize when this premiered that there were 2 doctors, one in the present, no coat, and the future one with one.
Karen Gillan accidentally ran her hand up Matt Smith’s thigh during the filming of the end scene 😂 Also don’t see this as Amy wants the Doctor instead. Clearly she meant a one time thing.
The forest of the dead is probably the one thing that isn't in the journal, because in my opinion it's not a spoiler to say she's the one who wrote the journal. They meet in a word order, she uses the journal to keep track of their meetings, there are no spoilers for her in that book because she's the one who wrote it.
You didn't notice that he was wearing his jacket again when he came back to talk to Amy.
No, it's an easy miss on a first-time watch.
@@BritanyBinges yes it is an easy miss.
However I am talking about why Moffat did that specifically. I assume that you have already seen why it was done?
And I assume that you have already seen other things in the show that is on your Patreon?
Ah yes, the first episode I ever watched. And what a note to start on.
Weeping Angels. A reality (and people) devouring crack in time/space. Angry Matt Smith.
Bit of a baptism of fire.
Same
I can't watch any DW scene where they say "gravity" anymore without repeating the line and saying "mavity" instead 😭
Yeah, I keep waiting for that to pop back up. (I've only seen through Space Babies so far, so it may have already. I'll find out next week when I record the next two new episodes.)
11:57 The reason she could keep her eyes open there for more than a second, was because the Angel inside her eye got scared. So your previous statement was almost right.
Great timing for this episode to land on RUclips today... love concept of the church and the military being one and the same!
"The Forest is full of Angels" that line has one of the funniest bloopers, Matt says "the Angel is full of Forests" completely straight and continues on with the scene, not realizing the flub until someone off camera cuts him off. Side note, I really dislike the angels moving on screen in this episode, kind of takes away a bit of their fear factor that was present in Blink, where they wouldn't move if the audience could also see them.
I can’t listen to that line anymore without thinking about that 😂
This season is great but it's even better on a rewatch. Everything hangs together.
I don't know if you picked up on it while editing but when the Doctor is telling Amy to remember, that's a future version of the Doctor. Viewers at the time thought it was just a minor continuity error due to this Doctor having his jacket back, even though it was shown he'd taken it off and left it with the Angels.
Sidenote, I'm really excited for when your RUclips uploads get to Series 6 😁
Dude, why would you spoil that? They go back to that moment later, so the context is given at that point!
@@thomaspappalardo7589 its not a spoiler? She's watched all of them by this point. She's literally caught up to "Space Babies".
Also, I'm not a "dude".
@@TheNovaBridger If she’s that far ahead, why point it out then, because she’s seen it. Regardless, it would have been a spoiler if she were wasn’t that far ahead.
Secondly, dude is a universal term. It transcends age, sex, gender, race, and another minute difference humanity can come up with.
@@thomaspappalardo7589 Maybe because they wanted to explain how it wasn't a continuity error. And no, it's not universal to everyone, if someone doesn't want to be called a 'dude', don't.
This episode continues the trend of the Doctor kissing/ being kissed by his companions.
There’s so much more about River I wish I could say, but… spoilers. You’ll find out in due course. The Matt Smith/ Steven Moffat era is my favorite.
The length of time that Amy keeps her eyes open after being told she'll die if she does it for more than a second has always annoyed me, too!
You probably didn't notice with all the other distractions, but there is something strange going on with the Doctor's jacket in this episode.
Doctor mocking the fact Bob is dead is just hilarious to me
The entire plot for river is based off of the movie "the time travelers wife" i recommend watching that. People have made movie covers with river in the style of that movie
The movie really isn't worth it, the book is _so_ much better. There's an HBO series that, unlike the movie, the author was directly involved with making.
Oh, interesting. I've seen The Time Traveler's Wife (it's actually one of the things I had in mind when I first started Doctor Who and mentioned that time travel stuff breaks my brain lol), but I hadn't made the connection to River's story.
@BritanyBinges in the movie the do things in the reverse like with river, the fist time meeting and last time meeting type thing
Oh, gravity mavity!
Fun fact… ok nvm there might be spoilers… so I won’t say much, but just remember that time he came back to have that nice moment with Amy.
Oh wait your already way past this season, so I’ll go ahead and spoil it, the doctor that came back to have that special moment was actually from the end of the season, you can tell cause he’s wearing his jacket or something like that that he’s not wearing in this episode. And then there’s also a moment in the first episode where it’s the future doctor coming back just like in this episode
I hope that you paid close attention to every episode of Doctor Who thus far.
Continuity was a big part of this show until the end of series 10.
Pay very close attention to this episode.
I do pay attention, but these reactions are also my first time seeing these episodes. So, while I do pay attention, there are definitely a lot of things that are going to get missed (or misunderstood)... especially in a show like this one.
@@BritanyBinges fair play.
Steven Moffat likes making things complicated doesn't he?
This episode was amazing we got to see 11th doctors angry side and Matt was amazing it’s crazy to find out this 2 parter was the first 2 episodes he filmed as the new doctor cuz he feels so natural in them like he’s been the doctor for years and Karen was amazing as Amy too 👏 river was amazing story was amazing and the soldiers were amazing the weeping angels were good and scary. I didn’t mind Amy flirting and kissing the doctor because I knew it wouldn’t be a romance story but a lot of people were upset about that scene at the time. Loved your reaction can’t wait to see your reaction to the next episode
You needed that awkward ending to give context to the Amy’s choice episode ( I know she’s up to date ) Amy’s infatuation with the doctor is been going on since she was a kid.
stop excusing it! her infatuation with him wasn't in the way this episode made it out to be! you're insulting children as well by saying this
I loved the first part, but I've always found this episode to be a frustrating experience. There seem to be things set up but left unresolved, and then Moffat throws too much more into this one. The ending also leaves a bad taste in my mouth, although I have a better idea now of what Moffat was trying to do (although he also has a mischievous sense of humour that sometimes needs reining in). I kind of feel the episode needs to be re-edited.
When he left Amy with her eyes closed and then came back did you notice anything as he was talking to her?
Spoilers 😅
Love that bit!
I wouldn't say anything I don't wanna do spoilers plus it's not that bad 🤣
@@phillipchallis966maybe to the commenters, but she's actually all caught up
Wait ... what did I miss? I notice anything while editing it either. I'm current through Space Babies so, no worries about spoilers for this storyline.
There are alot of people who don't like amy for the scene at the end, and I can't really blame them cause it was super not okay.
finally
Journal is river's present the doctors future
Extremely very not good became one of my favorite expressions after this episode.
There’s a lot about this episode that I enjoy, not least of which is Karen Gillan’s acting. There’s one that bugs me, tho. A well, a couple but one I that I find insurmountably annoying. One of the little things is that we see the Angels move; it’s jarring because, as you said, we’d never seen that before. But we hadn’t seen it before because that was a creative decision by the director of Blink rather than one technically required by the lore; I don’t /like/ it because I think the Angels work better as villains as they were portrayed in Blink, but I can deal with it. What I /can’t/ get past is that in Blink, the Doctor says that “when the Angels are seen by any living thing, they freeze into rock” and that “it’s a fact of their biology”. Ok, fine; I dig that. In this, Amy’s eyes are closed; she can’t see them, so they should be in full motion. The Doctor’s “you’re going to have to move like you can see” line feels to me like a change lore done because the writer wanted to write a scene, and not because it’s consistent with the previously (and recently) established lore about the angels. It makes the “freezing into rock” a semi-conscious act rather than “a fact of their biology. I like to think my suspension of disbelief goes a fare distance, but this just fees like lazy writing to me. Ok, rant over. :)
you have literally 5 years worth of seasons to get the full river story. don't even try to figure it out right now. lmao
You have a long wait to find out who River Song really is but I am not going to tell you because spoilers. The cracks in time is mystery is this season
I'm current through Space Babies, so no worries about River spoilers. :)
@@BritanyBinges space babies?
@@davidcrazyrides The first episode of the Disney+ series.
@@MalcolmWolf I have not watched it since Peter was the doctor
Yeah that last scene is super uncomfortable. Moffat says he regrets writing that scene now but man , that scene is not a pleasant watch. Rest of the episode is great, even if the rules of the mechanics of the angels contradict themselves here
The end of this episode is signelhandedly the worst scene Moffat has ever written for the show. At least contestant to title.
Yeah, it's ... not great.
I love your reactions
I'm glad you love them!
two doctor's you miss :P
It's Dr. Who nothing makes sense unless it suits the story. It's all timey wimey.
He he he he hem he. Timey whimey....he he he he....
THANKS for this!!!!!
Thank you for watching (and commenting)! :)
Uuuugh that last scene is my least favourite in the entire showwwwwwww 🤦♀️🤢
I can see why. It's ... not great.
I desperately want to talk about a spoiler for a future episode that has an easter egg in this one, but I will let it pass
I think you can say since she's all caught up :)
I'm not quite caught up anymore. I've seen through Space Babies. Won't be watching the next two new episodes until next week.
@@BritanyBinges Oh okay, well in this episode when the Doctor comes back to talk to Amy, telling her to remember, you can see he is wearing his coat again, showing it's not the Doctor from this episode, but the one from the future.
FYI, I highly dislike the direction they took with the angels. They made them into a joke.
I feel like a middle schooler because i can't stop giggling how much you overthought a silly dirty joke. It's cute. It is a side effect of how deep throw away lines in other seasons were.
I was glad that Amy's infatuation with the Doctor was shown to be more hero worship and self sabotage than actual attraction. Cheating is a huge turn off to me and this ending almost ruined her character for me. I gave her a chance though and saw she was just scared, but her heart was always Rory's. Doesn't justify this, but a momentary freak out is not the same as being a person who consciously and continuously cheats.
Mavity
Oh I hated that scene at the end where Amy tries to seduce the Doctor it was such an unnecessary scene I don't know what the hell Moffat was thinking writing that in the episode.
In Classic Who the Doctor was always considered an 900 year old a-sexual alien and had no sexual anything with his companions infact there never any romance what so ever in the show and it should stay out of Dr. Who in my opinion it's a science fiction children's show it's not a soap opera.
He always treated his companions especially his female companions no more than a platonic friend or daughter or a niece or student/teacher kind of relationship until the 1996 movie that introduced all that crap.
There was also complaints from parents to the BBC not only about the kissing scene but for Amy being too sexualised because of her too shorter skirts.
But aside from that it was good episode only it was ruined by the ending.
I have to say my least favorite of season 5 (and most of the NUWho)is the next episodes. “Vampires in Venice” was a real dull episode. I rewatch it a few months ago and I don’t like it at all
You are exactly where you are supposed to be with this show...... a flow chart will be needed.......
One definitely would've been handy the first time through. lol I'm excited to revisit these episodes for the first time as I edit them for RUclips so I can see if the overall story makes a little more sense now that I've seen how everything plays out.