We made this for folks who are just starting to explore the world of sailing catamarans for cruising. We were there not too too long ago and a video like this would've helped a little while we got our bearings.
Excellent videos. I am thoroughly hooked on all of them and so glad you made them. I almost feel like they were made just for me as I am starting my research on bluewater catamaran cruising. Unfortunately, it'll be about 10 years before I am able to financially retire and live this lifestyle. In the meantime, I'll keep researching and learning, etc. Thanks for doing these!
Jessica and Ryan Adventures did you guys look at the wharram and tiki boats, they are faster than most of the shorter cruiser boats and any of the prout,line
This is one of the BEST VIDEOS for people serious about Catamarans . I 've been watching 'opinion'-'review'-videos for a while and most sound like salespeople for that company- NOT GOOD. *** But here you make excellent comments to inform the 'new person' to Cats. The Best Starter video is this ONE. Thanks Ryan & Jess. ( Also, I appreciate your honesty in posting videos about the 'mistakes' you've made- that takes GUTS !! ) .... Well Done & THANK YOU...-Don.
I have a 120' cat , an all aluminum hull built by Alumarine in France, I was built for someone else but they didn't like it . I got it for 2.6 million Canadian
This was very informative as I have been searching for a cat for sometime and you gave me ideas so thanks! However, I really fell in love with the Leopard 47 and 58 as I realized after a boat show that room is more important to me than speed or efficiency. I plan to live on a cat one day so having the space and luxury for Florida and Caribbean waters is my goal! Cheers...
Nobody is doing this in the RUclips world comparisons of manufacturers and very well thought out, hope on of these company's throw you a bone if they are watching.....Thumbs UP
Another great cat is the Maine Cat 41, or perhaps the new 38. The 41 has the main berths located mid-ship which is a more restful location than the ends of a boat as common with most cats. I also like that the 12 foot RIB is stowed on chocks on the stern thereby avoiding the problem of a dinghy swinging around on davits while underway. The construction is 'liner-free' which I much prefer to better access the working parts of the boat (wiring, plumbing, etc.) I'm so excited about this design because I just purchased a used MC41 and looking forward to some fast cruising!
Very good effort, concise and informative, best of all it was unbiased with good thinking points - such as hull length vs hull width for living space ect
I'd list St Francis, South African builder, as an option. Their boats are well known for its liveaboard and cruising features, and are seldom found in the used market. Thanks for the video. Very informative!
@Asim Ayyubi I agree, but it is huge inside with a lot of ventilation. The only thing I have trouble is the Helm. You have to step up. For single ✋ sailing I feel uncomfortable.
Hi Guys, Just got back from the BVI's spent 8 days on a Helia 44. Great as far as comfort but if you are looking for sailing and performance the monohull is king. Got to spend a day sailing a Jeanneau 54DS "Namaste" After this trip definitely rethinking monohull. Oh FYI the Cat had 6 A/C units and it was like the space shuttle as far as number of systems that could break. The cat was way slow as far as responding in higher winds and seas.
Hey Nat! Very cool. We're kinda jealous. :) Just curious, what do you mean as far as responding to higher winds and seas? Not trying to disagree but rather to understand.
We were sailing the cat in 20+ knot winds and the seas were about 4ft and the cat would take a while to respond to steering input. The waves would hit the first hull you would anticipate to correct course for when it hit the second hull. With 20 knots we had one reef in the sail. I will say in the mooring fields and marina the cat was king at maneuvering using the twin engines.
Nice videos so far! Thank you. I'm thinking and dreaming about something similar - although I already have accomplished a half year tour around the baltic sea in Europe, on a monohull. Have you considered the Aventura 33? It's a bit smaller but should definitely be big enough for a couple, plus it's new and very modern, while priced at around 160.000€. Maybe that's something for you...
Good brand intro video man, youtube needs more content like this!! OK so Leopard, Lagoon, and Fountaine make up over 50% - does that mean those boats are easier to maintain because of familiarity and part availability? Or is that not really a factor?
If youre looking for catamarans, then you should atleast look at Discovery Yachts cat, its one of my favourites with that extra large cabin in the front.
Note that the very desirable boats are the ones *less* likely to be found for sale. You mention that there are a lot of brands of cats from smaller builds, and those are often the ones best suited for cruising. Mantas come to mind.
been sailing around on my Discovery 50 for about six years now, the main reason was the size of the owners stateroom as i live on the boat for 5 months of the year
very cool. Yeah we're big proponents have having enough space to be comfortable. Even though we could squeeze into a 38ft cat it wouldn't quite do for us given how much time we intend to spend on it. Our goal is to make our cruising sustainable long term and honestly that requires a certain degree of creature comfort. At least for us. :)
my plan when i finally retire, is to from London down to the Caribbean, through the Panama Canal up to San Francisco back through the canal to New Orleans, New York Boston and back to England
Very nice job... i was surprised to see Privilege made the top 12. they are normally custom made so few are on the market compared to the big 3. but since FP bought them to get a high end line i guess you could list them under FP. and ya i was surprised some more boats like Norseman and PDQ were not mentioned. but very well done and prudent words for anyone starting there research. and dont be scared of older boats. there are great gem's and lemons out there.
Yeah, some of the boats like PDQ just weren't on the market when I pulled the numbers. My theory is that people get them and hang on to them. And since market availability was the sorting criteria for this list they didn't make it. I wanted to sort the list based on boats produced by each brand, but getting up to date numbers across all the brands was proving impossible.
Your correct. every PDQ owner i meet loves there boat and has no plans to sell it. even though the 32 and 36 LRC are small by today's standards but they were standard 3 cabin with stand up shower. they used to be made in Canada but labour was too expensive so they went south. but you did a fabulous job on your analytics regardless. I do think though that Older Cats offer good value for money back to 1992 when modern construction technique was developed. I used to build boats back then. and unless you go to Carbon you will not see a lot of change from then to now. we vacuum bagged boats and used foam core then so no change to now. Cad was still new but construction was sound if not over built. all a good boat from this era would need is new electronics and sails and away you go. and possibly more in your budget. but again. well done on your analysis. www.boats.com/reviews/stretching-a-promising-cruising-cat/
I am 1.95m (6'4") tall and what is I am missing in all the videos is the min. and max. headroom information, especially on the smaller catamarans up to 9m long.
What makes this a great video is that you are such a reasonable, thoughtful fellow. Thanks very much for this informative piece. I've been sailing or thinking about sailing for most of my life. I was raised on monohulls, as we all were, but I went to the Abacos on a catamaran with some friends, and my mind was officially blown. Catamarans are the only way to sail the Caribbean. Shallow draft is REALLY important here. I saw a number of monohulls resting on their keels and heeled over at ridiculous angles at anchor in some shallow harbors. Not Good. Some commenters here do not fully grasp the scope of your discussion. My first choice of cat, after some years of research is the Antares 44. Ohter people call out this cat specifically. This was understandably not listed in your video, because there are basically none for sale. Your vid was about "Most popular" brands. Quick word about Fontaine Pajot...or "Helia", as the model is called. This is a floating condominium, designed to wallow comfortably in mellow seas, while giving its occupants ample storage for booze and snacks. It is not really meant for blue water sailing. The hulls are far too wide and the bridge deck clearance is too low for that. And that's fine. But if you want a blue water cat, there are plenty of them to pick from. But it's going to cost you. Performance and quality do not come cheap. That's why Fontaine, Lagoon, and Leopard are the most popular boats our there. Period.
Really cool that you took your time to do the comparison chart and video!! Now I understand why I see so many Lagoon cats here in Panama!! With this explanation I will watch closer to details. Are you guys going to buy a boat and set sail or just buy and dock it?
Hey! We're going to buy and dock for only as long as it takes to do a little refit on it. Then we'll be setting sail for sure. We'll be going all over to world too. Not just the tropical hot spots. Nothing wrong with them. We just have a lot of places we want to see.
Great stuff! I know you want a Cat, but it would be great to do a video like this AND like the top Years for monohauls!! It would be interesting to see the type of monohaul at same price point. In case you change your mind😂. Get what is best for you I'm not a purest or elites like some 😎
lol. yeah. You're at least the second to mention that. And to be fair we've done that same comparison ourselves. I'll most likely make a video like that sometime next month. Need to pull and clean up a lot more data for that video. I used a free screen scraper extension for google chrome. That got me 1/3rd of the way there. The rest was bulk data manipulation and manual clean up which was kinda tedious. I haven't found a way to automate the process as of yet. If only I could get access to the YachtWorld database. Then we could really pump out some numbers.
Hello, I would love to see you guy's make a video talking about what type of size catamaran should you have to cross the sea. I have not found any videos talking about this on youtube for any type of boats.
K, cool, you might want to check this out. www.sunsailbrokerage.com/used-boats/boat-details/?BoatID=5866446¤cy=USD&-Robertson-and-Caine-Leopard-39-Greece
This seems like something you guy's would want too. www.sunsailbrokerage.com/used-boats/boat-details/?BoatID=5997689¤cy=USD&-Robertson-and-Caine-Leopard-38-Greece
www.sunsailbrokerage.com/used-boats/boat-details/?BoatID=5921275¤cy=USD&-Robertson-and-Caine-Leopard-38-Greece www.sunsailbrokerage.com/used-boats/boat-details/?BoatID=5866446¤cy=USD&-Robertson-and-Caine-Leopard-39-Greece Sunsailbrokerage.com has a lot of boats that would fit your budget and for what you're looking for, not only that if you have a good broker you could get 5% off on the boat price.
So SAD that PRIVILEGE is not mentionned in this Top 12 !!! Certainly one of the best values on the market, existing since 1985, high quality built, about 800 units built as today and perfect for cruising and would have been perfect in the section Sunreef / Outremer (no e at the end) ....
Great video man! I appreciate it. Ive been really getting into some boat porn lately and of course, Lagoon is lookin to be the best bang for the buck. Especially a deal on a quality pre-owned owners vers 440 I didnt realize all the "cross branding" that goes on with boats. I thought it was just a guitar thing... ie: Fender Strat USA, Fender Strat Mexican (MIM), Fender Strat Japanese (MIJ .. and bad ass btw!), and dont forget the low end licensed copy, aka Squire (Indonesia or worse... China). Glad to hear Lagoon is French. I'd trust their skills....
The reason there are so many French yacht builders is because the French government wanted all of the business that boating brought to the country, and to help the boating economy grow they put substantially less taxes on “luxury” yachts then in other countries.
We're partial to Lagoon. At least for the older designs. FP has gotten competitive with their newer generation but the new boats are well beyond our price range.
Thank God for commentary. I'm so tired of running up on videos that are great walk thurs but have no commentary. It's just video with music or worse a slideshow with words an no sound at all.
+Dennis Moffatt now sure how old they are but there are definitely less of them on the market which is why they didn't make the list. Same for Antares.
I have yet to see a sailing catamaran (50+') build for real weather... like sailing the southern latitudes around South-Australia, Tasmania and New Zealand! Nothing out there... :(! All designs favor life-style, short trips and pleasure. Most are not practical and expose the woman/man at the helm. A good, modern cat should be practical first, then technically advanced (as in electric drive, lots of solar panels, 2 generators to charge-up batteries when needed, raised helm like on the old Privilege 585, low windage, etc.). my pick would be the TAN 60 with the enclosed rear and a few alterations, like the raised or indoor helm... and it should be made of marine-grade aluminum!!!
Dude its funny you say that. I just watched a video about a cat named Ramtha that was owned by a older couple who attempted to sail from New Zealand to somewhere by Fiji. They hit 60 ft swells 2 or 3 days in. The couple called out and got no response back but the New Zealand Navy heard it. They set out and eventually rescued the couple by launched teather harnesses. The ocean was so violent the Navy feared rolling onto them if too close. The old folks abandoned their beloved catamaran, and their home. The next day they get a call from port authorities in Fiji. The Ramtha had washed ashore on some island just 80 miles from the original destination. It was completely intact. The couple flew down there, got the thing moved to a harbor, got the power issue fixed, topped the tanks. Back in business. See if you can find the video of the rescue. The cat takes a serious beating by the waves and is unphased structurally. Impressive.
Victor Ramsey, No ways.....I have just watch a documentary about that old couple and their cat being saved by the NZ Navy before watching this video now.
Hey Ryan... to my surprise, I ran into your video while doing some sailboat research :) sailuniverse.com/2017/01/top-12-catamaran-brands-quick-guide-beginners-video/. Congrats on being featured in the post!
Hey, yeah. Not to say Antares aren't awesome boats, they're just not bought and sold that often, which was the sorting criteria for this list. I think people like to hold on to them when the get them cause they're so well built.
I'm surprised you haven't heard about Antares, out of Argentina. They seem to specialize in blue water cruising cats for families. liveanteres.com (No I don't work for them)
Hi! Yeah, we've heard of Antares and they have some awesome blue water boats. They didn't make the list because its hard to find listings for them. I think people hang on to them once they get them because they're such good boats.
could someone tell me, is there any catamaran that has the same design as gunboat 55/65 i.e that has a cockpit inside rather than outside? ... and BTW loved this informative video..thanks R&J:)
Ahhh!!Thank you, mate...But she's more costly than the gunboat itself. do you know where we can get the same layout cheaper ( like @ the cost of a lagoon or leopard 50' series)..?
I think it unlikely you will find a performance cat, like a Gunboat or Broadblue, at the same price as a family cruiser like a Lagoon or Leopard (of similar size), without getting into a much older vessel. Think of Comfort/Performance/Economy each at the point of a triangle. the closer you get to one the farther away you get from the others. You can have a comfortable high performance cat, like a Gunboat, but it Will cost more. You can have an affordable, comfortable ship like an FP, Lagoon, or Leopard, but it will not have top performance. If you want a fully functional, totally interior helm, as in your original query, it Will cost you, or you Might be able to get a very old craft and spend what you saved on repairs and refits. An older Gunboat may be your best bet, but it will still have the winches outside.
hudsonyachtgroup.com/hhcatamarans this is the chinese company that Gunboat were using to manufacture. Hull is exactly the same - they are in Xiamen but are always at the major shows of late (I think they were in cannes)... they have a shit ton of kiwis working there now trying to build the brand after the first few hulls they made for Gunboat were a bit problematic...
moorings is a charter company which uses all brands of cats and mono sail. why more French builders... because the United States was stupid to avoid building them when 80% are found in Caribbean.
Jessica and Ryan Adventures Yes I'm working on doing just that. I'm a broker working to sell a friends brand and redevelop it into a leading US Catamaran brand.
Gary Fretz Why are Trinity Westport and others still in business if the Very minimal Luxury Tax is in effect? Spain for example has a 21% luxury tax. Florida is Yachting capital of the world for a reason. low taxes.
Gary Fretz My point was on Catamarans not being produced even in Florida. Beneteau have a plant out of state, and continue to build mono... why? This seems a bias rather than monetary.
Kind of sad that ore local builder is not on the list but I do get it sins ther only a small familie company but day do make nice catamarans Do ther all fuly custem So besides the hull ther insites are all Custom and made fore what the customer wants
I have not watched all this yet , but there was a vid about a new Neil cat I believe - and the bloody thing nearly sunk due to lack of simple finish trim - transom was not even finished seeing day light through it - really pathetic .
We made this for folks who are just starting to explore the world of sailing catamarans for cruising. We were there not too too long ago and a video like this would've helped a little while we got our bearings.
Jessica and Ryan Adventures thanks for the video. Subscribed!
Excellent videos. I am thoroughly hooked on all of them and so glad you made them. I almost feel like they were made just for me as I am starting my research on bluewater catamaran cruising. Unfortunately, it'll be about 10 years before I am able to financially retire and live this lifestyle. In the meantime, I'll keep researching and learning, etc. Thanks for doing these!
David B dream and plan it will happen when you are ready.
Jessica and Ryan Adventures did you guys look at the wharram and tiki boats, they are faster than most of the shorter cruiser boats and any of the prout,line
Seawind is an Australian owned company but the Cats are manufactured since (approx) 2011 in Vietnam.
This is one of the BEST VIDEOS for people serious about Catamarans . I 've been watching 'opinion'-'review'-videos for a while and most sound like salespeople for that company- NOT GOOD.
*** But here you make excellent comments to inform the 'new person' to Cats. The Best Starter video is this ONE. Thanks Ryan & Jess. ( Also, I appreciate your honesty in posting videos about the 'mistakes' you've made- that takes GUTS !! ) .... Well Done & THANK YOU...-Don.
I have a 120' cat , an all aluminum hull built by Alumarine in France, I was built for someone else but they didn't like it . I got it for 2.6 million Canadian
This was very informative as I have been searching for a cat for sometime and you gave me ideas so thanks! However, I really fell in love with the Leopard 47 and 58 as I realized after a boat show that room is more important to me than speed or efficiency. I plan to live on a cat one day so having the space and luxury for Florida and Caribbean waters is my goal! Cheers...
Nobody is doing this in the RUclips world comparisons of manufacturers and very well thought out, hope on of these company's throw you a bone if they are watching.....Thumbs UP
thanks. yeah that'd be cool if one of the companies did throw us a bone! thanks for watching!
Jessica and Ryan Adventures
Another great cat is the Maine Cat 41, or perhaps the new 38. The 41 has the main berths located mid-ship which is a more restful location than the ends of a boat as common with most cats. I also like that the 12 foot RIB is stowed on chocks on the stern thereby avoiding the problem of a dinghy swinging around on davits while underway. The construction is 'liner-free' which I much prefer to better access the working parts of the boat (wiring, plumbing, etc.) I'm so excited about this design because I just purchased a used MC41 and looking forward to some fast cruising!
MC41 is an interesting boat for sure. Don't see too many of them on the market. Maybe people hang on to them once they get them.
Very good effort, concise and informative, best of all it was unbiased with good thinking points - such as hull length vs hull width for living space ect
Very nice synopsis of the used Cat market. Absolutely perfect for those of us who have spent a bit of time on monohulls, but are rookies to Cats.
Glad it could help!
I'd list St Francis, South African builder, as an option. Their boats are well known for its liveaboard and cruising features, and are seldom found in the used market. Thanks for the video. Very informative!
Being a monohull sailor, this video is just what I needed. Thanks! I subbed.
Nice job Ryan. Gives everyone a nice overview.
Thanks!
Thanks, great review. My choice is Seawind and Maverick.
@Asim Ayyubi I agree, but it is huge inside with a lot of ventilation. The only thing I have trouble is the Helm. You have to step up. For single ✋ sailing I feel uncomfortable.
Wow.. Seems you've put in a lot of work researching all of these. Appreciated!
Excellent overview... Appreciate your time putting this together.
And we appreciate the comment! :)
Good to start learning about cats & sailing. You guys are angels.
Great and informative video for beginners, thanks from Panama!
Hi Guys,
Just got back from the BVI's spent 8 days on a Helia 44. Great as far as comfort but if you are looking for sailing and performance the monohull is king. Got to spend a day sailing a Jeanneau 54DS "Namaste" After this trip definitely rethinking monohull. Oh FYI the Cat had 6 A/C units and it was like the space shuttle as far as number of systems that could break. The cat was way slow as far as responding in higher winds and seas.
Hey Nat! Very cool. We're kinda jealous. :) Just curious, what do you mean as far as responding to higher winds and seas? Not trying to disagree but rather to understand.
We were sailing the cat in 20+ knot winds and the seas were about 4ft and the cat would take a while to respond to steering input. The waves would hit the first hull you would anticipate to correct course for when it hit the second hull. With 20 knots we had one reef in the sail. I will say in the mooring fields and marina the cat was king at maneuvering using the twin engines.
i like the lagoon 40 because it is a good compromise between prize space and performance.
i really enjoy your informative videos. Would like to see more of them. Nice to hear some facts and figures every now and then.
Nice videos so far! Thank you. I'm thinking and dreaming about something similar - although I already have accomplished a half year tour around the baltic sea in Europe, on a monohull. Have you considered the Aventura 33? It's a bit smaller but should definitely be big enough for a couple, plus it's new and very modern, while priced at around 160.000€. Maybe that's something for you...
The floor plan site is wonderful, Thanks.
Good brand intro video man, youtube needs more content like this!!
OK so Leopard, Lagoon, and Fountaine make up over 50% - does that mean those boats are easier to maintain because of familiarity and part availability? Or is that not really a factor?
It should. Think of them like Honda and Toyota. They are very abundant and parts SHOULD be cheaper or more widely available.
Very helpful. Thank you
If youre looking for catamarans, then you should atleast look at Discovery Yachts cat, its one of my favourites with that extra large cabin in the front.
Note that the very desirable boats are the ones *less* likely to be found for sale. You mention that there are a lot of brands of cats from smaller builds, and those are often the ones best suited for cruising. Mantas come to mind.
Just waiting 'till I sell our house! Thanks for the information.
been sailing around on my Discovery 50 for about six years now, the main reason was the size of the owners stateroom as i live on the boat for 5 months of the year
very cool. Yeah we're big proponents have having enough space to be comfortable. Even though we could squeeze into a 38ft cat it wouldn't quite do for us given how much time we intend to spend on it. Our goal is to make our cruising sustainable long term and honestly that requires a certain degree of creature comfort. At least for us. :)
my plan when i finally retire, is to from London down to the Caribbean, through the Panama Canal up to San Francisco back through the canal to New Orleans, New York Boston and back to England
Great information, well done and Thank You
good info for me. being looking at Leopards
thank you, just what i was looking for , nice guide. thank you
Thnx folks!! Greetz from The Netherlands and hopefully soon a 50ft catamaran.
Very nice job... i was surprised to see Privilege made the top 12. they are normally custom made so few are on the market compared to the big 3. but since FP bought them to get a high end line i guess you could list them under FP.
and ya i was surprised some more boats like Norseman and PDQ were not mentioned.
but very well done and prudent words for anyone starting there research.
and dont be scared of older boats. there are great gem's and lemons out there.
Yeah, some of the boats like PDQ just weren't on the market when I pulled the numbers. My theory is that people get them and hang on to them. And since market availability was the sorting criteria for this list they didn't make it. I wanted to sort the list based on boats produced by each brand, but getting up to date numbers across all the brands was proving impossible.
Your correct. every PDQ owner i meet loves there boat and has no plans to sell it. even though the 32 and 36 LRC are small by today's standards but they were standard 3 cabin with stand up shower. they used to be made in Canada but labour was too expensive so they went south. but you did a fabulous job on your analytics regardless. I do think though that Older Cats offer good value for money back to 1992 when modern construction technique was developed. I used to build boats back then. and unless you go to Carbon you will not see a lot of change from then to now. we vacuum bagged boats and used foam core then so no change to now. Cad was still new but construction was sound if not over built. all a good boat from this era would need is new electronics and sails and away you go. and possibly more in your budget. but again. well done on your analysis.
www.boats.com/reviews/stretching-a-promising-cruising-cat/
for example check out this Lagoon TPI 42 and look at the price. nice boat for the money.
www.sailboatlistings.com/view/47141
What is a good boat for small business pirates?
old long narrow wooden boat with a big even older two stroke engine
Thank was excellent! Thanks. SK in the UK.
Thanks for your well thought out very balanced input.
I am 1.95m (6'4") tall and what is I am missing in all the videos is the min. and max. headroom information, especially on the smaller catamarans up to 9m long.
Thanks for the information! Looking to retire on one!
What makes this a great video is that you are such a reasonable, thoughtful fellow. Thanks very much for this informative piece. I've been sailing or thinking about sailing for most of my life. I was raised on monohulls, as we all were, but I went to the Abacos on a catamaran with some friends, and my mind was officially blown. Catamarans are the only way to sail the Caribbean. Shallow draft is REALLY important here. I saw a number of monohulls resting on their keels and heeled over at ridiculous angles at anchor in some shallow harbors. Not Good. Some commenters here do not fully grasp the scope of your discussion. My first choice of cat, after some years of research is the Antares 44. Ohter people call out this cat specifically. This was understandably not listed in your video, because there are basically none for sale. Your vid was about "Most popular" brands. Quick word about Fontaine Pajot...or "Helia", as the model is called. This is a floating condominium, designed to wallow comfortably in mellow seas, while giving its occupants ample storage for booze and snacks. It is not really meant for blue water sailing. The hulls are far too wide and the bridge deck clearance is too low for that. And that's fine. But if you want a blue water cat, there are plenty of them to pick from. But it's going to cost you. Performance and quality do not come cheap. That's why Fontaine, Lagoon, and Leopard are the most popular boats our there. Period.
Really cool that you took your time to do the comparison chart and video!! Now I understand why I see so many Lagoon cats here in Panama!! With this explanation I will watch closer to details. Are you guys going to buy a boat and set sail or just buy and dock it?
Hey! We're going to buy and dock for only as long as it takes to do a little refit on it. Then we'll be setting sail for sure. We'll be going all over to world too. Not just the tropical hot spots. Nothing wrong with them. We just have a lot of places we want to see.
Well if in Panama and I am still living here both of you guys are welcome at my home!!
That's a pretty cool floor plan tool
Amzing list. Thanks
Nice to see a market "survey/guide"
Wish you all the best in purchasing your "dream" cat.
Keep vlogging!
What do you think of the Mavericks, a S. African based company? Smaller, but nicer interiors, good design. Just curious.
Thanks Ryan!
How does the new boat get deliver? If it is a Seawind boat, do you have to fly to Australia to sail it back to US?
Great stuff! I know you want a Cat, but it would be great to do a video like this AND like the top Years for monohauls!!
It would be interesting to see the type of monohaul at same price point. In case you change your mind😂. Get what is best for you I'm not a purest or elites like some 😎
lol. yeah. You're at least the second to mention that. And to be fair we've done that same comparison ourselves. I'll most likely make a video like that sometime next month. Need to pull and clean up a lot more data for that video. I used a free screen scraper extension for google chrome. That got me 1/3rd of the way there. The rest was bulk data manipulation and manual clean up which was kinda tedious. I haven't found a way to automate the process as of yet. If only I could get access to the YachtWorld database. Then we could really pump out some numbers.
Thank you, good info!!!!!!!!!
Thanks for the informative video. I would suggest turning off the music in the background it made listening a bit distractive.
Thanks for the info!
Merry Christmas .amen
Hello, I would love to see you guy's make a video talking about what type of size catamaran should you have to cross the sea. I have not found any videos talking about this on youtube for any type of boats.
Good idea. I'll have to do some research. Im sure people will have different opinions one which can be taken across the ocean.
K, cool, you might want to check this out.
www.sunsailbrokerage.com/used-boats/boat-details/?BoatID=5866446¤cy=USD&-Robertson-and-Caine-Leopard-39-Greece
This seems like something you guy's would want too.
www.sunsailbrokerage.com/used-boats/boat-details/?BoatID=5997689¤cy=USD&-Robertson-and-Caine-Leopard-38-Greece
www.sunsailbrokerage.com/used-boats/boat-details/?BoatID=5921275¤cy=USD&-Robertson-and-Caine-Leopard-38-Greece
www.sunsailbrokerage.com/used-boats/boat-details/?BoatID=5866446¤cy=USD&-Robertson-and-Caine-Leopard-39-Greece
Sunsailbrokerage.com has a lot of boats that would fit your budget and for what you're looking for, not only that if you have a good broker you could get 5% off on the boat price.
The boats I link to you are a lot newer plus are only a few years old.
Did you ever consider the Neel 45 - and whats your opinion of that kind of boat (trimaran)?
Great video and topic.
What in your opinion are some good sailboats for tall people. (
i'm 6'9")
You guys just rock!!!
Mel & Amber
Costa Rica
Nice. Thanks!
What is the best websites to search for a used catamaran , please
What about the Antares?
So SAD that PRIVILEGE is not mentionned in this Top 12 !!! Certainly one of the best values on the market, existing since 1985, high quality built, about 800 units built as today and perfect for cruising and would have been perfect in the section Sunreef / Outremer (no e at the end) ....
Great video man! I appreciate it. Ive been really getting into some boat porn lately and of course, Lagoon is lookin to be the best bang for the buck. Especially a deal on a quality pre-owned owners vers 440 I didnt realize all the "cross branding" that goes on with boats. I thought it was just a guitar thing... ie: Fender Strat USA, Fender Strat Mexican (MIM), Fender Strat Japanese (MIJ .. and bad ass btw!), and dont forget the low end licensed copy, aka Squire (Indonesia or worse... China). Glad to hear Lagoon is French. I'd trust their skills....
The reason there are so many French yacht builders is because the French government wanted all of the business that boating brought to the country, and to help the boating economy grow they put substantially less taxes on “luxury” yachts then in other countries.
Anyway, some French people prefere to open business in Poland (Sunreef Yachts).
looking for cat or trim for world cruise up to 100k dollars any advice ?
what did all buy,,,,, would be nice
Tnx. Merry Christmas!
PS. there is no link to the floorplan tool :)
Thanks for pointing that out! Just fixed it. Merry Christmas!!
Nice video bud!
I would love to hear which one you guys are leaning towards
We're partial to Lagoon. At least for the older designs. FP has gotten competitive with their newer generation but the new boats are well beyond our price range.
PDQ/antares 44i, 44e.
Thank God for commentary. I'm so tired of running up on videos that are great walk thurs but have no commentary. It's just video with music or worse a slideshow with words an no sound at all.
Thanks Ryan I found the video to be very useful. What about Gunboat you didn't mention them. That would make a great 1st. Cat right? :)
Is Bali a newer company? or just not old enough to make the top 10?
+Dennis Moffatt now sure how old they are but there are definitely less of them on the market which is why they didn't make the list. Same for Antares.
Thank you
I have yet to see a sailing catamaran (50+') build for real weather... like sailing the southern latitudes around South-Australia, Tasmania and New Zealand! Nothing out there... :(! All designs favor life-style, short trips and pleasure. Most are not practical and expose the woman/man at the helm. A good, modern cat should be practical first, then technically advanced (as in electric drive, lots of solar panels, 2 generators to charge-up batteries when needed, raised helm like on the old Privilege 585, low windage, etc.). my pick would be the TAN 60 with the enclosed rear and a few alterations, like the raised or indoor helm... and it should be made of marine-grade aluminum!!!
Dude its funny you say that. I just watched a video about a cat named Ramtha that was owned by a older couple who attempted to sail from New Zealand to somewhere by Fiji. They hit 60 ft swells 2 or 3 days in. The couple called out and got no response back but the New Zealand Navy heard it. They set out and eventually rescued the couple by launched teather harnesses. The ocean was so violent the Navy feared rolling onto them if too close. The old folks abandoned their beloved catamaran, and their home. The next day they get a call from port authorities in Fiji. The Ramtha had washed ashore on some island just 80 miles from the original destination. It was completely intact. The couple flew down there, got the thing moved to a harbor, got the power issue fixed, topped the tanks. Back in business. See if you can find the video of the rescue. The cat takes a serious beating by the waves and is unphased structurally. Impressive.
Prof. M. Otto Zeee JCD ECS look at outchasingstars.
Victor Ramsey, No ways.....I have just watch a documentary about that old couple and their cat being saved by the NZ Navy before watching this video now.
ruclips.net/video/DkIuBUVJHQk/видео.html
Thanks!
Hey Ryan... to my surprise, I ran into your video while doing some sailboat research :) sailuniverse.com/2017/01/top-12-catamaran-brands-quick-guide-beginners-video/.
Congrats on being featured in the post!
Oh, wow, didn't even know about that link! Cool, thanks for bringing it up! Need to get them to link to all our videos lol.
No mention of Antares at all?
Hey, yeah. Not to say Antares aren't awesome boats, they're just not bought and sold that often, which was the sorting criteria for this list. I think people like to hold on to them when the get them cause they're so well built.
Makes perfect sense. Thanks for doing what you're doing.
Project August Moon or wharram
Or Atlantic performance cats.
I'm surprised you haven't heard about Antares, out of Argentina. They seem to specialize in blue water cruising cats for families. liveanteres.com (No I don't work for them)
Hi! Yeah, we've heard of Antares and they have some awesome blue water boats. They didn't make the list because its hard to find listings for them. I think people hang on to them once they get them because they're such good boats.
Correct URL: liveantares.com
What about silent yacht?
any opinion on the St Francis44??
Maine cat is a quality boat.. built in the United States.. in Maine!
What about Gunboat? Opinions?
could someone tell me, is there any catamaran that has the same design as gunboat 55/65 i.e that has a cockpit inside rather than outside? ... and BTW loved this informative video..thanks R&J:)
have you seen the Broadblue Rapier 550?
Ahhh!!Thank you, mate...But she's more costly than the gunboat itself. do you know where we can get the same layout cheaper ( like @ the cost of a lagoon or leopard 50' series)..?
I think it unlikely you will find a performance cat, like a Gunboat or Broadblue, at the same price as a family cruiser like a Lagoon or Leopard (of similar size), without getting into a much older vessel. Think of Comfort/Performance/Economy each at the point of a triangle. the closer you get to one the farther away you get from the others. You can have a comfortable high performance cat, like a Gunboat, but it Will cost more. You can have an affordable, comfortable ship like an FP, Lagoon, or Leopard, but it will not have top performance. If you want a fully functional, totally interior helm, as in your original query, it Will cost you, or you Might be able to get a very old craft and spend what you saved on repairs and refits. An older Gunboat may be your best bet, but it will still have the winches outside.
hudsonyachtgroup.com/hhcatamarans this is the chinese company that Gunboat were using to manufacture. Hull is exactly the same - they are in Xiamen but are always at the major shows of late (I think they were in cannes)... they have a shit ton of kiwis working there now trying to build the brand after the first few hulls they made for Gunboat were a bit problematic...
Thank you for the info :)
You left out Gunboat Cats.
If money was no object.....
this i gotta see
Pricing of all the boats would have given a better overview...
How about gunboat?
PDQ, Antares
moorings is a charter company which uses all brands of cats and mono sail.
why more French builders... because the United States was stupid to avoid building them when 80% are found in Caribbean.
Business opportunity!
Jessica and Ryan Adventures Yes I'm working on doing just that. I'm a broker working to sell a friends brand and redevelop it into a leading US Catamaran brand.
Gary Fretz Why are Trinity Westport and others still in business if the Very minimal Luxury Tax is in effect? Spain for example has a 21% luxury tax. Florida is Yachting capital of the world for a reason. low taxes.
Gary Fretz My point was on Catamarans not being produced even in Florida. Beneteau have a plant out of state, and continue to build mono... why? This seems a bias rather than monetary.
What abt arrow 1360?
where does norseman fit in?
was that a samoyed under your logo ? ^^
Yep! We have a 2yr old samoyed whos gonna come with us cruising just as soon as we get a boat. :)
heh, mine is 2.5yr but hadn't done any sailing yet :) - did like the small powerboat on a lake quite much though :).
So what do you sail Mono or Cat?
+slyr1 right now we sail whatever we can bed steal or borrow. Lol. But we're saving to buy a cat.
Good Luck your living my dream only wish I can one day>
I want a wharram!
You want the boat or the girls on Luckyfish?
The website of floor plans isn’t loading for me ... still available?
Kind of sad that ore local builder is not on the list but I do get it sins ther only a small familie company but day do make nice catamarans
Do ther all fuly custem
So besides the hull ther insites are all Custom and made fore what the customer wants
top 3 majority.. are like pintos and chevy fiestas ahahah
NO Two oceans?
where are Gunboats?
I have not watched all this yet , but there was a vid about a new Neil cat I believe - and the bloody thing nearly sunk due to lack of simple finish trim - transom was not even finished seeing day light through it - really pathetic .
what's a hole?
You forgot to mention Antares