Report suggests Supreme Court opened door to anti-gay discrimination based on fake case
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- Опубликовано: 29 июн 2023
- Melissa Gira Grant, staff writer for The New Republic, talks about her interview with the person supposedly at the heart of the 303 Creative v. Elenis case and her reporting that suggests there is no basis in reality for the case that has become the vehicle for the conservative Supreme Court to allow discrimination against LGBTQ people.
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The Court has ruled on a case with no actual complaint? A "just in case" ruling? I'm no lawyer is that not a little weird?
Precisely... the "weird" part!!!
Spot on.
Yes it's called corruption. Do you know how to distill and refine fuming nitric acid? You might want to learn
That's called corruption. In any case, there is suppose to be proof of being harmed.
This plaintiff has no proof.
Doesn't matter to 6 Reichwing sociopaths that have already shown us they have no boundaries or ethics or morals.
I think we call this legislation
It’s a court with an agenda. Exactly what our framers feared
The People, all Americans with functioning brains and hearts need to expand SCOTUS, get term limits going there and outline ethics rules that have teeth to them.
6 Reichwing sociopaths on SCOTUS show there are no boundaries with them. We need to put them in their place. No whining from conservative Democrats, either.
And the Framers made it IMPOSSIBLE to remove them
That's really not the point. She defrauded the Supreme Court.
@@andreah6379expanding the court won't do anything about defrauding the Supreme Court.
@@JonathanB138no they didn't. What makes impossible is that 49 Senators are not willing to honor a sworn oath.
My morals and ethics do not allow me to serve this community, but my morals and ethics do allow me to LIE and MISLEAD others.
Yep! Because that’s fine with their sky daddy.
This story is incredible. A case makes it all the way to a Supreme Court decision without any fact-checking by the attorneys involved?
it's what happens when UNSERIOUS ppl are involved in both politics, and now law. VERy dangerous and made a mockery of Scotus literally for first time in courts history! Thank u rightwing!
Where's all of the lower Courts rulings leading up to the Supreme Court?
@@fauxque5057my question exactly!!
All prior courts to the SC told them to go eat dirt.
What facts went unchecked ?
This whole story is a story of DARK Money- doing what DARK Money DOES !
The sooner we cannot be incentivized by money, their grip will crumble and they will have nothing to offer us. Free yourself from consumption, it's a hamster wheel used to perpetuate economic oppression via monetary policy that only benefits large players. Cheers. If they can't buy people, their money means nothing, no matter the sum
With the 6 Reichwing sociopaths on SCOTUS, there isn't anything we can't piece together anymore...if some fascist billionare wants to buy them, they said they are soulless and "For Sale."
Who profits from "discriminating against gays". Absolutely schizo take.
If reporting is accurate, that the base event of this case never happened, then all rulings on the case should be void.
True... but it's the using of hypotheticals (the what-if's) getting all the formalities, out the of way, for the end game...THE TAKE OVER... smh. 🤨
@@moralfortitude...2217 so you think law based on a hypothetical, or entirely fictional, event is OK.
That is a very slippery slope you're standing on.
It's not fictional.
Masterpiece Cakeshop v Colorado Civil Rights Commission and Scardinia v Masterpiece
Supreme Court ruled the same way for the former in 2018 and the baker was fined $500 for discrimination for refusing to bake a cake celebrating gender transition
Edit: for the latter
That's what a law is, potential things that could or couldn't happen.
@@mr.e432 yeap, and that precedent just got thrown out.
It's so bizarre that this got anywhere. She should be sued for BREAKING those laws. Not the other way around.
Totally.
Fascinating how liberals are "pro choice".....except when they're not.
Being part of the alphabet community doesn't grant you extra rights
Thank you S.C. 😀👍
@@jason4453religious*
@@skankhunt3624 I'm the least religious person you will come across who supports this.
Private businesses already have the right to refuse service: she just wanted to be able to openly and proudly display her bigotry and hatred.
@@NSOcarth Well, I didn't take an absolute lie to the US supreme court to justify religious bigotry... so I'm not the one that needs to calm down.
Its their right
Imagine you are a black businessman and someone asks you to make something about the pride of the Confederate flag, why couldn't you refuse ? The supreme Court got it right
@@yoyoyoyoyo6714 You can refuse: you just say "I'm too busy to do that" and not "my god will punish you for things I think I sins". Why is that so hard to understand? And we both know the confederate won't take that case to the courthouse, he'll take it to the gun section at walmart.
@@chrissbeausoleil2766 so you are forcing other people's speech?edit : why couldn't the black businessman say the truth ?
Stewart needs to sue Smith for false defamatory statements about him presented as facts to the Court. His counsel should make a criminal referral against Smith for her wrongdoing that not only injured Stewart but was also at the same time an act of perjury which is criminal.
🤔 yes, Pls do !!! 🤨
Abso-freaking-lutely!
How does SCOTUS knowingly allow a case to be presented to them based upon fraudulent claims?!? Seriously?!?
America is fast becoming a lawless society.
Welcome to the _stupidest party_ in America: the _Repuglican_ Party-the *Stupid Peoples’ Party.*
Ooooooo yeah
It's so much worse than we thought .. The right wing can just make things up and get all the way to SCOTUS with no fact checking ..
Fully agree!!
The whole case was a scam just like a lot of them lately
Yep. They are systematically trying to roll back our rights because they have a Supreme Court super majority.
Yeah, but worse the SCOTUS picked the case to go forward.
Folks. It's time to refuse to serve christians.
I bet some of the Supreme Court justices knew about this or waiting for this opportunity to come up.
Conservatives are scammers and conservatism is their scam.
The Supreme Court has lost the plot. They've turned into a joke. Ethics are needed, term limits are needed and the Court needs to be expanded to more justices. The DoJ needs to investigate this case because it seems to have been brought under false pretenses.
Biden is hesitant to initiate change in the court. Maybe if he wins a second term and the majority shifts, he'll do the right thing and make the needed changes.
Being part of the alphabet community doesn't grant you extra rights. This is a great ruling.
Thank you S.C.
@@jason4453 the LGBTQ+ community never had “extra rights”. Stop lying.
@@jason4453it's discrimination fool
@@jason4453 Hateful.
So they allowed her to lie under oath and still ruled in her favor? It’s a sickness, the level of hate being masked as “religious belief”
Queers are rarely hated. The term you seek is 'disgust'. These people and their antics are REPELLENT.
@@NSOcarthfree speech? Guess that means businesses should be allowed to discriminate people based on their color too…. Since it is “free speech”
@@somerandomcommenter1235 You forgot religion and gender to. They can't have it one way.
@@NSOcarth Lying under oath is not protected speech.
@@somerandomcommenter1235 Uncle Thomas Clearance would be ok with that and consider that action to be colored blind... LOL
Apparently submitting false or fabricated evidence or statements to the top court is okay; no punishment? Can the DOJ not charge and prosecute her for lying to the court? I believe it could knowing that private counsel may also make criminal referrals on behalf of clients who have been victims of both civil and criminal wrongdoing; it doesn't have to be the Court.
This would indeed be a good idea.
The court would have to make that determination and refer them to the DOJ for criminal prosecution. So, what do you suppose the chances of that might be?
Valid question🤷♀️.
@@richardowens9061well there are three who are not criminals. So there's a 30percent chance.
Good question.
Garland (& FBI) took over 1 year to get a spine just to investigate Dump on some of his crimes. This IS typical CONservative behavior.
how do you deny service to a customer that doesnt exist in a business that doesnt exist and why isnt this against the law?
Probably because MSNBC is lying to you, as usual.
Exactly my question.
Enquiring minds want to know...💯%
Excellent thinking.
worst of all, the "customer" actually do exist, but never intend to be a customer and is totally random person.
Alito and the Federalist Society wrote the lawsuit then went looking for a person to start it.
Justices: we don't rule on hypotheticals
Also Justices: maybe this will happen, TAKE AWAY THEIR RIGHTS. Now leave me alone , Im going fishing with the Hate Society and cashing this check.
Religious expression as a legitimate (now legal) way to discriminate...will lead to discrimination of other marginalized groups.
That's their goal...
Hey, I'm trans, and I've NEVER known anything BUT discrimination!!
Evilgelicals are the enemy of America and Christianity.
that's the plan. take us back to the 50s. or earlier.
This was the plan the whole time. We don’t actually know what classes are protected anymore, which means people will discriminate against every marginalized group to get the case to the supreme court. Disabled people, people of color, it’s open season on EVERYONE now.
The first point is, who is paying for her legal expenses all the way up to supreme court’s or better yet call it evangelical court?? The saddest part about this court is to know the consequences and not care about the outcome of their decisions 😢
Precisely!!!!
She's backed by the Alliance Defending "Freedom"
Smh...
What they seem to forget is that their power is granted to them - and, can be rescinded - by We the People. We can just ignore their rulings and there isn't a damned thing they can do about it. And, that is exactly what we should do. They have lost ALL credibility and proved that they are not worthy of the power they have been given - so, we should just take it away.
They also forget that the way the people take back their power generally involves separating heads from shoulders and carrying them away in buckets. That has worked for thousands of years - and, it would still work today.
It appears this is Christian Wagner's crusade, and that's her lawyer so it's probably pro bono
We need to take action against this rogue court
how ?
I thought democrats were for " democracy ' maybe just when it suits you
@@kennethpereyda5707 THIS is not democracy ... this should have never went this far because it''s based on LIES. The conservatives have proven time and time again that do not know how to properly vet ANYTHING.
@@kennethpereyda5707 Democrats are fascist authoritarians.
I don't recall hearing all of this for the decades and decades that decisions were going your way....Almost as if the rules are irrelevant...the second you lose, you decide the rules are not valid, anyway...the same way a child behaves the first time he loses a game...
@@tgriffin3059You do realize the court does not equitably represent the feelings of the country as a whole? The court has always been balanced, not liberal. Now it is harshly conservative. That's not democratic or realistic
Recently, I had two evangelical pastors and their wives try to preach to me as they were visiting my stall in an antique mall. I was polite. After today, my response will be very different. I will demand that they leave immediately as they are unwelcome. According to the unsupreme court they are infringing on my first ammendment rites... because I believe that their beliefs are ungodly and that
they have no right to insert themselves into my workplace!
Quite so. It's time to give Christians the heat that they deserve. They won't know what hit them.
Being part of the alphabet community doesn't grant you extra rights.
Thanks S.C. 👍
@@jason4453 And being part of the Christian plurality shouldn't give you extra rights either.
And that is absolutely your constitutional right. I'm glad the SCOTUS helped back up your decision.
@@jason4453 stop pretending you little liar. You don't want us to have any rights.
I thought you had to prove "standing" to bring a lawsuit. This entire thing was based on lies and misappropriation of identity. A case makes it to the Supreme Court based on that, and now there is nationwide precedent to deny equal treatment? The whole thing should be thrown out, until they can get an actual case with actual people.
They don’t care about legal substance or precedent. They just rule how they want. They made a decision and then try to twist and turn to try to support it.
Absolutly right . But the USA in many issues is in the 19 th
century . You live in a third world country.
USA POLITICS .
What a Laugh 😀
The SCOTUS decision released the same day on Student Debt forgiveness was likewise built on a fabricated lie with the plaintiff having no standing.
So businesses should be forced to provide labor to people even if they don’t want to?
@@ApeLikeThinker Yes, if you don't like it don't have a public business. Or did you want to go back to when a white owned business was allowed to decide not to serve black people too?
A Karen with no standing argued she should have the right to sue because a state law hurt her feelings and could potentially violate her freedom to discriminate. Not only was she granted standing, but she was also vindicated on her right to discriminate in accordance with her first amendment rights. You can argue about her first amendment rights, but it takes some mental gymnastics to see how she had standing in the case.
Freedom of speech is not freedom to discriminate. Church and state are separated for the VERY reason.
Freedom of speech won don't like it go to China or Cuba.
Curious as to why someone who seems to care about discrimination would perpetuate it by blanket use of a common name as a pejorative slang?
@@Lily-cx1vo all the more reason for churches that dabble in politics to be taxed to the max. Edited to correct typo.
@@kcampos5619calling this lying whale a karen isn’t perpetuating discrimination. Nice false equivalency
As a small business owner myself, I totally don't get this at all! I always chat with people before I agree to work with them, and if I get a bad feeling or if I think they're going to cheat me out of money, I just tell them I can't take on any more clients. Why would this need to go all the way to the Supreme Court? Doesn't make any sense.
to slowly create legal precdent to discriminate against the LGBTQ+ community. when roe v wade was overturned, Thomas said in his concurring decision that perhaps other previous supreme court rulings should be reevaluted like Obergefell v. Hodges. It's testing the waters, normalizing the dehumanization and discrimination of oppressed groups.
@@eatingketchupchips9567if Obergefell v Hodges gets overturned then that means all the fighting was for nothing…..
Imagine you are a black businessman and someone asks you to make something about the pride of the Confederate flag, why couldn't you refuse ? The supreme Court got it right
Because as a Christian she would rather not lie about why she can't take on a client.
@@NicholasWongCQ also she lied about being a designer….. she stated she only thought of it but she isn’t a designer or even has a shop!
The guy they sited in this case should sue for defamation. He should be entitled to a HUGE pay out!
I hope he sues her thick tail and makes her pay dearly.
These so called judges should be held accountable for using false information to legislate!
@@dennissmallwood9082 Not just her. I doubt she is worth attorneys fees. He should also sue the group representing her for not doing due diligence and/or grabbing his identity from somewhere and using it in a fake case.
He should sue her and she should also be found guilty of perjury. I am sure she had to sign her statement, or say something under oath, and it was all based on a lie.
How was he defamed?
When Karen's business fails, she'll blame it on people discriminating against her for her religion
Then so be it. She has the right to refuse her services. A win for the Constitution.
@@WinstonSmith24 I hope the EMT that comes to your home refuses to resuscitate you.
@@badpuppy3 On what basis?
Doesn't seem like you people have any clue what the law is.
@@WinstonSmith24 another ignorant comment winston but hey at least you are consistent
@@thebilboshow168 Maybe it's against the EMT's religion to resuscitate bigots? A win for the Constitution and Freedom of Religion!
Maybe Fire Departments should let houses with Confederate Flags burn. Why should they be compelled to risk their lives to save someone they disagree with?
Doesn't even seem like it was "overlooked" so much as 'standing' was never even established.
Yes, but to 6 known Reichwing sociopaths that have already arrogantly shown us all they don't have any morals or ethics, why should they care about regular legal protocol??
They obviously had a goal to accomplish by taking this corrupt phony "case."
How did this case make it all the way to SCOTUS? A completely absurd ruling
A fantastic ruling.
So is this America's version of the Taliban's morality police?
I might move to Florida someday, so I think I now have standing to sue Ron DeSantis because his policies prohibit my free speech.
Looking at the Twitter files, looks like free speech was sabotaged under the XIDEN administration on certain issues.
Weird huh?
Do it, cuz that's what she did... 🤨
💯
You should be arrested for the child we all know your going to abuse, groomer
🤣. Good luck.
A phantom company that doesn't exist.
A phantom customer that doesn't exist.
Nice and honest SCOTUS
Now you don't just change established law.
You make new ones up as you go.
You lied, and you made things up.
Real nice. Staying impartial.
Living up to your oath.
Karma baby, Karma.
She does not have a website so how can she file a case? No one would have contacted her since she did not have a website. This is fraud and the Plaintiff needs to be criminally charged and the attorneys need to be disbarred. This needs to be set aside. How horrible.
It's ridiculous.
They need to look into her history. I'm certain I saw someone on twitter throw up an example of her work and it was so basic and unattractive it stands to reason she doesn't even have the skill to be a web site designer.
So sad that our Supreme Court could be this....stupid.
And bigoted.
This is why people are leaving the church.
It's also why we're building bomb factories clandestinely. Fuming nitric acid is achievable for anyone. If we can all produce this reagent, no one will ever stop clandestine manufacture of explosives. Take the power back
Are they?? Not enough if you ask me.
@@andreah6379ask the gen x to gen z they hate Christianity every since they were kids, their religious parents shoving Christian ideology down their throats
How can these ultra conservatives expect Jesus to allow them in Heaven when they treat people so badly here on Earth?😅
“…Jesus…Heaven…”
Because they know it’s just a lie, to lead sheep and part them of their money.
How can they not expect their Jesus to allow them into Heaven? Their Jesus thinks all the exact same things they think and thinks they're behaving the way Christians should behave. That's the wonderful thing about believing something on faith alone. They can just make up crap and claim it's true.
You're talking about people who literally think Jesus carried an AR-15 to shoot poor people with. Absolute freaks, weirdos, and deranged lunatics
@@chrisoneill3999 Jesus wasn't a bigot.
The rainbow flag 🌈 is satanic ✡️.
Lorie Smith needs to be prosecuted for perjury since she lied in court.
Straights don’t hold their own accountable.
The Federalist Society will not
allow that . They are the MAFIA of the judicial system.
AMERICA.
What a Laugh 😀
Could that be used as purgery? Can he Sue them for defamation?
I would expect the lawyer to check the details of the case before submission. Given that the lawyer did not and the peculiar way she was smiling as she spoke, I suspect that she knew that elements of the case were fraudulent.
So if the Supreme Court is making judgements without participants, they are literally legislating from the bench taking power from Congress. Sweet!
Sarcasm on the "sweet"?
Yep... scary!!😮
If the Supreme Court eliminates the separation of powers, what's the point of voting anymore.
No, they're striking down legislation. They haven't made a law at all
@@mr.e432 Neither is Congress right now.
It is the most fundamental principle in civil law that standing derives from actual harm in actual events, not from hypotheticals. The Supreme Court has been systematically destroying the validity of this principle, most notably by allowing Texas to assign standing to everyone by statute, no qualification required. In this case, mere imagined future damage to a business that doesn't exist, supported by fraudulent evidence, not only confers standing but decides a case. Sham justice.
If this isn't a compelling case for packing the court to restore balance I don't know what is.
My transgenderism is an integral aspect of my spiritual beliefs. Does she have a religious right to discriminate against me because of my religious beliefs? Sounds like state sponsored religion.
Yeah, based on your logic, if you identify yourself as a cat, she would have committed animal cruelty
Would you support my ability to sue a trans artist for refusing to draw a picture of a trans flag with footprints on it?
@@mr.e432sure. You'd just look really fricken stupid.
@@xiangli4383 no, that isn't the same thing. If she refused to serve you because you like cats is somewhat similar but you're not at risk for violence towards you for liking cats.
@@mr.e432 I would not care about you or your issues at all. Nothing personal, I only care about a handful of people in this entire world. And you’re not one of them.
You're telling me the supreme court got catfished.
I want to know if there are any penalties of defrauding the Supreme Court of the United States.
This lady should go to jail for lying about a situation that never happened.
I'm waiting to hear them ban mixed racial marriages and hear Thomas write the opinion banning them.
"I is ain't do be white!" - thomas
It's in the way . Little by little they will remove all of our rights just watch
If Thomas wants a divorce that will probably happen
Lol ai reaaaaaaaalllly doesn't like me calling Thomas a house n1ggar
@@larry_ellison it probably doesn't like me calling you a disgusting turd, either
The guy needs to sue everyone - the ADF, the website lady, AND the scotus. For defamation and false statements about him.
It would fail miserably. Let's assume this guys telling the truth (which I doubt,msnbc never showed proof)
If it was true the only person he could sue would be the one who stole his identity. Everyone else are victims of the person who stole his identity and thus cant be blamed.
@@papasmurf7684if he had a good lawyer he could sue more than just her, he can label them as accomplices to spreading a lie about him...plus isn't it a major crime to falsify evidence
@@papasmurf7684 Of course ... MINION BRAIN... because the only pathetic news you believe is FASCIST NEWSMAX AND FOX!
@@Chibbery05 It is not a crime for REPUBLICANS... as long as they get their way.
I'm sure the "guys'' who SUED FOX would love to take on this case and KEEP CLEANING THE FASCIST SWAMP.
Who is funding her or how is she making money from this. I smell an agenda.
This sums up so much of the outrage right now. So many people freaking out in their business and life over things real people not even caring about.
Imagine the mindset to be that upset at a community to fabricate an interaction that never happened all the way to the Supreme Court... sad
How many providers of goods and services can discriminate against this woman because their religious beliefs don’t align with hers?
More likely this woman made up this Fake Lawsuit as a way to advertise her graphic arts website business to conservatives. She started this business with this lawsuit.. on her website, she now has a large portfolio of bigoted like minded customers.
Folks. It's time to refuse to serve christians.
Theoretically yes that is now possible, logistically the majority of the country identifies as christian, it's going to be very hard to get business with enough impact to voluntarily do something that risks that much of a backlash and an impact on their profit margin and reputation, Conservatives Cancel Cuz They Can
I mean I would refuse her goods and services just flat-out because that is guaranteed by the Constitution, they literally didn't need to do this case they just took it to the Supreme Court because they knew it was run by a conservative majority and they've been using that power like a mace
@@ronswanson2029oh no I think they actually hit the nail right on the head. If people are going to start arguing that their religion allows them to discriminate against people then it's time we started using that double bladed sword
Religion poisons everything - Christopher Hitchens
So does big corrupted $$$$ with no rules/laws to obey.
6 Reichwing sociopaths have shown USA they have no boundaries.
Nuff said.
I do not agree, fanatics ruin everything. No religion tells anyone to mistreat others, on the contrary, every religion tells people to treat others the same way they wish to be treated.
But there are those that use religion, politics, or the ideas of knowledge and freedom (among others) to pollute fanatic minds into thinking that hateful acts are justified.
@@hectorg.7282Christianity tells christians to mistreat almost everybody.
@@hectorg.7282Christianity preaches hatred openly and often. Dingus.
She needs to be sued for filing a false claim!
Whatever happened to the concept of "standing" for the court to consider a case ?
The Extreme Court is making judgments on behalf of people and their hypothetical ideas.
It was always like this once they got into power , the fact is their no longer hiding their Bigotry.. this now at least allows one to call them out on it , in public as well. She now can get to enjoy her new found Hate filled conservative Christian nationalists Bigotry.. and others get to know as well..
Without litigants to bring a case, it makes it easier for the Supreme Court to eliminate the separation of powers by sidestepping Congress.
@@lazyassbum The Supreme Court didn't litigate, it struck down litigation. That's what Supreme courts do.
There were already people sued for discrimination for this exact reason
Masterpiece Cakeshop vs Colorado Civil rights commission
@@mr.e432 Well Congress and the president aren't doing their jobs right now so it's basically just the courts doing stuff.
@@lazyassbum Congress is definitely litigating, and doing their jobs as far as their beliefs go, and the president is definitely pushing executive orders, so they're doing SOMETHING, just maybe not what some would believe they should do, myself included
Why is it that with Dobbs they were all, " give the authority back to the states," but with this case they throw the states authority out the window?
Thats cause those are 2 different cases. Roe vs wade was never in the constitution where as this is because it's based on first amendment.
@@papasmurf7684Roe v. Wade was based in the 4th Amendment, so I’m not sure what you’re talking about.
@@papasmurf7684Roe v. Wade was constitutionally based on the 14th Amendment. The current Supreme Court chose to change the way they interpret that amendment.
6 Reichwing sociopaths on SCOTUS clearly have shown us they have no boundaries. They make up their rules to suit their fascist uber greedy rich donors...and if their rulings collide, that's our problem.
Chaos is also their goal. Sociopaths love that.
If the GOP had their way, the 13th and 14th would be repealed.
Well all she had to do was post a statement on her website announcing her intent to be a bigot based on her religious beliefs. That would filter everyone who is not a bigot from considering her service. She honestly did not need to go to the SCOTUS.
They committed perjury. The AG of Colorado should file charges immediately.
So the lawyers for the State never checked with this guy???
It wasn't the State. It was questioned by the lower level federal court, but someone didn't follow through.
@@GoGreen1977 didnt follow through may be the understatement of the day.
@@GoGreen1977 doesn't Aubrey Elenis work for the State?
Doesn't her "Christian" faith also prevent her from judging others? That only God can judge?
It also prevents her from lying, I'm sure.
Yeah but shes not really a Christian, just a liar abusing religion for their own ends and not following the Christ part of Christianity. There are so many like that, some don't truely know better but most should.
But hey some folks are willing to sell their soul to get what they want. They believe the ends justify the means.
It's shameful behavior.
@@joshk.6246 No, she's definitely a real Christian. They ALL say and do as they damned well please and then just ask their imaginary friend in the sky for forgiveness. Rinse and repeat.
Christianity does NOTHING to make the followers better people. Instead, it gives them a means whereby they can continue saying and doing whatever they damned well please and still get the "prize" of eternal life in heaven at the right hand of the Creator of the entire Universe.
But, if they don't believe the right things, it does not matter how good they might be, they STILL get to take a swan dive into a Lake of Fire to flop in the flames forever and ever.
Isn't that stupid?
@@richardowens9061I disagree. There are good Christians out there. I know some.
@@richardowens9061second comment I've read of yours on this thread saying the same thing more or less Richard. I think you have a point, but labelling all Christians with the same brush undermines your own argument. Christians are a population like any other, with a wide variety of people as members. Some are exactly as you describe, some are nothing like you describe. Attacking the beliefs isn't the answer because what people construct from the large body of work they call their scripture is based entirely on their character and that of their priests with similar character. When you start to tar everyone with the same brush, you've stepped into your own version of bigotry.
The attorney that brought this case should be disbarred. This is fraud.
Laurie Smith doesn't have a company; didn't have a client, but the Supreme Court heard the case. Huh!
So, if you claim to be a "Christian" you can lie before the Supreme Court and win. JFC - pun intended.
Isn't the basis of Christianity getting in front of people and lying for profit?
@@larry_ellison It's not the basis but it's the modus operandi.
Y’all haven’t been this mad since the slaves were freed 😂
@@supersnakeforlifeLiberals freed the slaves, genius
@@stevemiller9880 clearly you don’t know a thing about history 😂
Mind boggling … how hard was it to find out facts about this case , did the supremes forget to do their own fact checking … is this a sign that the ruling was not fact based but is a political rant.
The guy needs to sue her, then discovery can take place and all will be revealed!
Can the Supreme Court rule on an imaginary case? Seems odd the clerks of the court did not research the case.
This is absolutely shocking.
A fake name... just to discriminate people
Don't cry little Michael.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@donothingMTIAMGso you are ok with lying to hurt people whose lifestyle has no effect on your lifestyle whatsoever
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I treat all humans with respect.
I do not support their lifestyle.
I will do everything legal to stop it.
Are your feelings hurt? 🤗
Sad face? 😟
@@donothingMTIAMG so you don't treat all humans with respect, you are trying to inhibit them from living their life while pushing your hateful views on their lives, lives that have no effect on you whatsoever, nobody is pushing their life onto Christians, so why do Christians feel it is ok to push their life onto other people
@@donothingMTIAMG To stop what? To stop people you don't like existing?
Why would anyone want someone filled with hate like her or any other hate filled person to have anything to do with their special day, ever ???
Are businesses going to be allowed to post signs that say "LBGQT need not apply" because if Lori won't make a website for them, she def is going to hire them either.
Will Thomas in his zeal rule in favor of this case , strike down the decision of Loving vs. Virginia 1967 if a case comes up that would impact that decision?
"I is ain't is do be black!" -thomas...
Remember, religious beliefs are chosen - sexuality and gender identity are not.
While anyone should be free to believe, or not believe, in any religion they may wish to choose, that should never be allowed as a basis for discriminating against anyone.
Furthermore, so long as members of the LGBTQ+ community are citizens who are expected to pay taxes, they should be afforded the same protections available to anyone else.
🎯👏👏👏 Only problem is 6 Reichwing sociopaths on SCOTUS have shown us all they have no boundaries--there are obvious "For Sale" signs on their pointy heads and they have no soul.
And yet bigots keep calling LGBTQ a religion
Everyone was born with their gender, male or female, it's real simple.
That is not so simple... While religion is not something that is inherit to your neurophysiology or biology, it is culturally imbued as a child from your education and upbringing. Same goes with politics. Not saying ofc that you cannot escape from it, but in most cases, you are conditioned by the culture you were raised with. Regardless... no freedom of speech or belief should ever hinder or curtail someone else's freedoms and rights, and this decision from the SCOTUS, does exactly that.
@@herlandercarvalho A court didn't change my beliefs, did it change yours?
Jfc! Those involved in this lie should be charged!!! I hope he sues!!! Here's a suggestion. Find a planner that's not a bigot.
Equally infuriating? Why didn’t the people representing the state of Colorado look into this Stewart guy and have him testify/give a statement/ whatever in this case. They dropped the ball.
America is getting disappointing. Losing respect for this country
Start learning chemistry! We're blowing things up soon
I'm an American and I'm there already. All I can do is actively try to turn things around, but the powers at play make that practically impossible. Mostly it's gullible, ignorant citizens with knee-jerk emotional responses going to vote; they used to not bother and things were better.
Wait until Christmas when employees are uncomfortable saying, "Merry Christmas" and instead say happy holidays, then suddenly "Christianity is under attack!"
Christo-fascists, hypocrisy by thy name. Everyone has to bend over and make accommodations for their beliefs, while they don't respect others beliefs that differ from theirs.
The Supreme Court is the highest court in the land, acting as a final arbiter of the law and interpreter of the US Constitution, but by the political nature of its appointments its members are inherently biased, right or left, depending on which POTUS appointed them. In practical terms they’re also deemed infallible because they’re appointed for life so there are no consequences for bad decisions. All of which makes the U.S. system of justice a sick joke! Abolish the Supreme Court and come up with something more objective that isn’t just another layer of party politics.
This is bizarre. I make websites. I am not forced to make websites for people who ask me to. What on earth is this?
Would this not be identity theft?
She's suffered no harm yet. --We can all imagine what harms might come to us. That's just creative writing. But I'm not sure that's the same as having legal standing to sue.
Decision should be thrown out and the plaintiff should be sanctioned.
I would like to know who paid the legal fees on behalf of this woman
She was represented by the Alliance Defending Freedom (ADF), I imagine they did it for no charge.
@@y0nd3r an organization that tries to force their Christian views into our government systems...
Christian legal advocacy group that works to expand Christian practices within public schools and in government, outlaw abortion, and curtail the rights of LGBTQ people
I am sure this woman has a lot of things she does not like about people, as is common among religious people.
Does she refuse to do work for all people she does not like? or has she just singled out gays.
Hypothetical Klansmen and klanswomen are welcomed with open arms.
She needs to stay away from wedding cake.
SCOTUS; ' facts? We dont need no stinkin' facts, just show me the money'.
The SCOTUS ruling on this case is pathetic… and Lorie is petty AF.
Gaslit case by a gaslit court.
As the world takes two steps forward in terms of equal rights, America takes two steps
backward.
Doesn't the Supreme Court do basic research before it decides a landmark case like this? There were no actual injured parties. The case should have been thrown out for lack of standing.
If the case is fake, then the ruling should be voided.
I only hope people remember her name.
I will
I'm sure it's a bogus business, created with one purpose in mind.
Satan sure has a real big smile on his face hiding behind a Christian facade
How can the Supreme Court get this wrong?
So instead of rightfully throwing this case out on its ear because the plaintiff had no standing they codify it. I'm telling you we need to conduct at least three impeachments in 2024 when we gained both the House and Senate
Didn't Jesus' Dad say; "Thou shalt not bear false witness"?
I think it was in a movie, or a book. or something.
A creation myth.
If straights didn’t have double standards they’d have no standards.
So if I said, I wouldn’t hire this Web designer because it looks like she is “probably late for a buffet” I would be sued for discriminating against her. You can tell her lawyer loves the face time she is getting.
Nope, weight isn't a protected class under title VII
"I have a religious objection to bigots. Can I now deny them services, too?" ~ Barb McQuade
It went all the way to Supreme Court without checking the facts. US legal system is a Joke. The layer that filed that should be severely reprimanded.
Go home little socialist. 🤗
No Christian would ever make false allegations of persecution (said nobody ever.)
The Supreme Court needs to be cleaned out, and these politically biased and corrupt justices need to be replaced with judges who don't base their decisions on their own personal beliefs - or what the guy who appointed them tells them. And - NO lifetime appointments. That breeds corruption.
His lawyer should be disbarred if she knew of it. And the woman who falsely filed the claim should be prosecuted. It is illegal to falsify evidence.
I wonder if she would have a problem with child marriage since it is currently legal in Colorado. Only 16.5 years for that.
The GQP were recently standing up for child marriages.
Conservatives think that little girls make good wives for some reason.
Good question.
As long as it’s a straight child marriage then it isn’t grooming