The Dark Side of Discord (And best Solutions and Alternatives!)
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- Опубликовано: 5 авг 2024
- Discord is one of the best places to host communities, but let's talk about the nastier dark side of the social giant. We like to be proactive with things, so get ready for solutions and alternatives as well!
00:00 Introduction
00:54 Major Issue 1
05:18 Major Issue 2
09:20 6-Step Solution Program
12:00 Discord Alternatives
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Use Discord? Hate it? Recently moved away from it? We want to hear about your Discord relationship below!
I don't like the google chrome 🤷♀️
Never liked Discord. Citron is a major creep - I hope he doesn't ruin Signal as well. >|
This year we ditched Discord, WhatsApp, Google Search and Google Android and moved to Element, Signal, Brave Search and CalyxOS! We've synced our RUclips channel to Odysee as well. No regrets ditching any of them - still figuring out Element though. Would be great if you could make a detailed tutorial with parallels like for example, what common proprietary/big tech stuff are rooms and spaces alternatives for?
I've never used Discord, and now I most likely never will.
@@IslamicAudiobooksCentral Nice
never thought u would say that facebook is more secure lol
Same 😂
With the fact a new rce is found once a week and the token system is so shit yeah Facebook god tier in comparison
Well actually facebook is a lot more safer compared to discord I know because how it works and how easy it is to find your IP using it no way you can do that using Facebook I am a full stack app developer so trust him on this...
*Ps If you want to know how that app actually is super scary we make malwares using the same process discord use it's keyloggers in system level... It keylogges your everything to anything* 🙃🙃
@@debsattam1 saw you mentioned being full stack dev. So under appreciated, yet so dangerous. :)
security is not the same as privacy
The biggest problem is: Theres no real "easy" alternative, and almost nobody reads the tos :(
Actually, I do.
guilded, at least they don't force your phone number out of you.
Most people these days are sheep (and that's what these companies count on). People don't read ToS's and don't have the good sense to question anything, or read enough to make informed choices.
I'm gonna push people to revolt chat as much as possible - it seems like a viable competitor.
@@ray495903314 They don't. But because it's there, servers can be jerks about it and impose it on you. Like Splitgate's official server.
I just can't catch a break. Whether it's Gmail or Discord, my information will always be taken away. I almost hate caring about my privacy since it interferes with so much, but I know that's exactly what companies like Discord want.
the exact problem nowadays cant use anything without the cost of your own privacy
When a product is free, you are the product.
@@megafan523 FOSS?
@@ARose47 FOSS is an exception because it's not a proprietary product, you are its owner because nobody is it's owner and you have control over what you want to do with it, unlike a free proprietary software where you simply own a licence to access the software.
It free.
Your data is their business model.
I knew discord wasn’t good for privacy/security but I didn’t know it was this bad damn. Unfortunately all my friends are on there which makes it difficult to get off of it completely but I have started using matrix recently. As of right now I agree it isn’t a full discord alternative but with the introduction of spaces it makes it a little closer to discord.
Ugh I know I just sort of finally started to get more comfortable with discord and was building ideas around it... then this video pops up lol
Then again so are others
@@potatochipappi Make your thought process here make sense. Please. For the sake of my brain cells.
Forums for the win. All you new age panzies will never realize the sheer beauty of the chaos
@@potatochipappi you can literally compile the source code and run the server on your pc.
Discord needs to be sued into the ground for that gdpr thing
They need to get sued NOW
@Deletas yea and plus the owner had a problem with giving away info is crazy 😧
@Deletas Just saw this now and sadly, i was one of the naive and young users aswell sadly. I joined Discord back in Nov 2015, now i wanna delete my account but i hate the thought of my stuff & messages still being in those servers.
They won't though, because they're lobbied with the very people who enforce the laws.
@Pixel Station Guilded is a piece of shit and no better. In fact, they have themselves have collaborated with discord in the past.
Thanks for actually including good alternatives and not just leave it at just talking about problems in discord
Since when did RUclips care so much about my privacy that they reccomended this video to me?
Seriously, thank you. Worst part is, I've just installed Discord onto desktop the other day, too!
it wont change anything. its stilll part of the matrix. hence they recommend as long as you will watch it.
the road to the light is like swimming an ocean. sometimes you have to swim in the direction of the wind and the waves but not always. as long as you maintain your overall direction and reach your destination. this is why so few people find the way out of the matrix!
Is it safe or not?
Is it safe or not?
RUclips cares about the moeny it can make from the ADs it can put on videos that it thinks are of interest to you.
For anyone watching in 2024, revolt chat is a really nice developing open-source alternative to discord. No mobile apps yet, but the interface is just like discord, you've got text channels, roles, a few bots (including Remix for music), and they have voice chats too.
This is basically like a facebook situation: I need to use discord because all of my friends are on there, yadda yadda. I started using flatpak as soon as I realized discord collected data on which programs I opened no matter what my settings were. And I'm super frustrated at the lack of a proper mobile pwa. Even with lack of third party.
pwa?
@@Kain652 Progressive Web App. Basically if you're on your phone and sign into twitter via a web browser, that's a PWA. They tend to use less permissions and be less intrusive than their in-app counterparts.
The difficult part of getting away from discord is convincing your heavily misinformed friends about it’s flaws
It'll be difficult for people to leave Discord. Most of those users are gamers/ropleplayers/streamers who aren't going to leave the 'game centric' appeal Discord have for another IM. Not even Element or IRC sadly.
EDIT March 13 2022: Now that Discord is being even more of an rearhole with the new rules, I guess people are moving towards Guilded. I don't think it'll be better than Discord when it comes to privacy but... It's a new option (along with Revolt Chat in which is an open source messenger but it's on alpha).
And it makes me wonder when VALVe will make a IM like these.
EDIT May 5 2023: Revolt Chat seems to be a good replacement, altough some complains it's not federated.
Sad
Good point
they already have groups and friends on steam
you can use a matrix portal
Guilded is owned by Roblox. If it ever gets as big as Discord, it'll become worse than Discord ever was
As someone with no real friends and 1 discord contact I've been trying to find a reason to get off it, guess now's that time. Who cares if my account gets banned! Lol Signal here I come
I didn't know the chats were unencrypted lmao wtf
I used Discord for about a year, then switched to Signal shortly after seeing this video. I requested my data from the settings page on Discord, just for the heck of it and I can see every message I've sent and what servers I've been on. I can even see my friends list and get a full copy of the photo I uploaded for my avatar. Good God Discord! I'm disgusted! :(
wp :) thanks for caring about your privacy
No way to request to delete ur data?
I wanted this video! Discord doesn't care about privacy at all. I use an extension to purge all my old messages.
Hey Sam, Name the extension please!
which extension do you use?
Gib
@@strange498 check the above replies.
@@Rama-wr9yx And I'll have to make intensive researches on those 😑. Nevertheless, thanks Carolis. :-D
I hate discord with a passion. I'm so glad I dont use that trash.
Facebook better than Discord lmao
discord was one of the few thing were I read terms of service and privacy as I've probably used it more than I've used a phone. Still I didn't know literally everything was logged that you do
Neither did I. Thanks for the informative information #techlore
neither did i
I like discord, it's convenient, but shit like this makes me hate it as well. And all my friends use discord so switching will be hard.
Idk about this but someone mentioned in another thread that using it in its individual vm on a browser with ublock origin is a viable solution. It’s a hassle but I’m willing to go through it
@@noureldin6388 Really late reply, but using a vm just for discord isn't really viable for me. i'm fine with having to use discord ONLY in a browser with ublock tho. do you use the app or browser?
That people literally have forgotten what privacy is seems dystopian
the new generation doesnt give a shit about privacy. they want their shit NOW
ive sent passwords to my accounts in a private discord server and sent things that i want to remember. that stuff is private, thats why its in a private server with only me in it. i have just found out that discord is logging every message i send because of this video and i am very concerned about this. if a data breach happens that would be really bad and discord should have this stuff encrypted. i do it myself and a lot of other people send their passwords and things they need to remember in a private server and i have done a lot of things on discord that is private and i dont want anyone else to know i did it.
Thank you for the video. It's always good to know more about what a company is tracking and logging, even if you have no intention of boycotting them.
I'm definitely uninstalling discord desktop app now.
Smart decision.
Thanks for making this video. I’m not happy with how Discord runs things so I’m glad to hear of solutions and alternatives.
I see the grounds for a test case with issue two. You could (in theory) delete your account and then file a legal complaint against Discord for violation of the law. Might not be hard to fight and could be an up and coming legal professional’s big break.
Probably the only video I like that shows why discords bad stuff is bad since it doesn't over edit anything. Great job!
Glad you enjoyed!
I subscribed because you did a great job, IMO, of enumerating the dystopian aspect of Discord, AND included the bit fir noobs like me about the origins of Discord.
I am working on seeing if I want to get on Discord. This gives me a lot to thank about. Thanks for the comprehensive video.
I’ve always known discord is sus. Their business model is weird, plus I mention things in discord and Google ads show up about those things even if I’m not even talking online about it other than discord. So dumb
the sad thing is, i cant stop using discord.
damn , wasnt aware this was such a big problem , recently i have all my family memebers on matrix ad probably will encourage my friends as well bbut its highly unlikely they will change from discord
You can no longer hide your phone from discord, if your IP address is flagged by discord after making multiple accounts, and will force you to register an email and phone number
thanks, you have open my eyes very wide. your a good man
Hate it even know I use. Discord is straight spyware
I have to use discord to talk to my friends. All of them are pretty much on there :(
Why not include Teamspeak in your recommend list? I have warned about usedata sellout on Discord since the beginning and kept my Teamspeak server open for a year until everyone left for Discord, which then forced me to remove it from the server due to no reason to keep monitoring it for security (possible breaches and spam)
I used Discord for my RUclips channel for a day before deleting it. First of all my subs immediately started chatting things I didn't want to be associated with and second it was storing way too much of my phones information.
Serious question (as it is debated in my circle of friends from time to time): Do they also record contents of video or audio streams? I mean, recording clicks and messages is kinda cheap on the data use side. But then again, it would not be the first service to exploit pretty much any kind of information it can get its hands on, even if it meant larger amounts of video and audio data to be stored.
I'm glad someone is finally talking about the dangers of Discord; its privacy and security issues namely, but you also can't register without a phone number (I tried to remove mine from my account and it wouldn't let me back in until I added it back).
U can tho
@@thecashewtrader3328 It wouldn't let me, everytime I removed my number it signed me out and asked me to verify my identity with a phone number
@@wlwww16 maybe you're a minor or you use 2fa. I dunno why that's happening to you cause i never needed a phone number to create my account.
@@nevermind2521 it does it upon any "suspicious activity". They also have even better phone check then twitter, cant use google numbers unlike twitter.
On top of that, you cant get rid of the phone requirement once you get it. Youll have to make a new acc.
@@wlwww16 so use a burner number this isn’t that discord is targeting you(maybe) your acc just got flagged for being sus and needs a number now🤷
Thank you for the heads-up! :)
Well, I'm disappointed about Issue 2 as I've regrettably sent some messages on Discord I would like to delete in full but I have done most of the steps you've talked about (aside from the third-party sources breaking tos and convincing a friend to move over onto another service). Time to clean up my account before it gets worse.
The thing is, right now there is nothing that does the same things as discord at the same level of quality, which means there is not really other option, this is coming from someone who uses it ever since it came out
forgot to mention all the pedophiles on discord
I would love to see an updated version of the alternates for Discord ❤
Guilded, Element,
Oh man, the new team speak is looking better and better
I moved from discord by switching to guilded, I copied all my data from discord and put it in a html file so I can keep it a archive
Rewatching this video, I realise it is a great breakdown. I was on the fence of downloading it or keeping using it as a web app and now I have the answer. I wish I was using another service for voice chat but alas I gotta use discord for both personal and work reasons.
i thought how to make discord more private and 10 seconds later this was recommended for me
Hey.. I was wondering if you can turn off the ability to join public servers. Me and my friends want discord to make it easier to play on our minecraft server together, but one of my friend’s parents are sort of strict, and wont allow discord bc of the ability to communicate easily with strangers via public servers. Is there any way to block this via parental controls, so my friend’s parents can just do that? Thanks.
At around 11:11 there's a suggestion to add the routes to uBO that Discord uses to collect information-as someone very new to uBO, only just now beginning this journey of privacy protection, do you have any guidance on how exactly to do that? Most of the things I'm seeing in this Settings section seem a good deal outside my frame of reference when it comes to computers, so I'd really appreciate a hand with that.
I guess it's time to return to good old IRC with an updated client and TLS all the way. There's no message persistence for offline users, but that's part of the design.
I personally got off discord a while ago because of some of the trust and safety issues & incompetence with getting rid of pedos and stuff, and the security stuff gives me no desire to go back. I currently message my friends in a sms group chat which isn’t the best but it’s probably better than discord.
Just awesome. I got invited to a group on Discord, today. I was interested, so I thought I'd accept the invitation. Now? I'm not so sure I want to accept. Sigh. Well, that's, that, I guess. Socializing sucks for me y'all. It feels like I'll never know what socializing with people is like, because of all the random, weird, interfering, crap I summon, like this, each time I try.
I'd like it if there's subtitles cause my brain just can't keep up with the speed of you delivering the information.
I keep discord client on linux VM made purely for it and pidgin plugin to use it on windows. Discord keeping an eye on what you do with your system and apps is a big nono. Not sure what to do with android though. Magisk maybe...?
It doesnt help that their custome support is awful, I had my account taken away from me, over a month ago and I still haven't had anyone help me get it back
Wow a more invasive app than Facebook, that's impressive (in the bad sense).
One time a deleted a year worth of DMs by hand because I was done talking to the person and I didn't want them to have my side of the messages
How timely. I was just this week starting to get into Discord. Now I'm thinking I won't anymore. 🤔
I'm right now working on self-hosting my matrix server as an alternative for discord
thanks for the very informative video. I knew discord wasn't privacy respecting but i didn't know it was that bad. Just uninstalled it everywhere and will only use it in the browser from now on
Ugghl The problem with leaving discord is that's where some of the communities I want to engage with live. But this vid is certainly a good reminder that of what Discord is. I need to investigate some of the alternative clients deeper maybe. In the future, lets all just go back to IRC and PHPBB plz?
Thank you for this information. I wonder if they have bug bounty program? So we can put that in the open
Damn it I wish I hadn't clicked this video lol
I was looking for a third party app to run discord because I think it hogs bandwidth from Monster Hunter Rise (which gives me disconnect issues) but as someone who's deleted FB, Twitter and blocks router access from his smart tvs, the privacy concerns here hit me on a personal level.
Great video though, thanks for the headsup!
Matrix/Element are close to bridging the gap in terms of features in regards to Discord.
But what Discord does is just too good for me to leave. Quickly sharing my current game as a live stream is very important to me and my friends as we are all visually impaired and helping each other - often times quickly - is very much important. Also, I don't want to rely on another service - Jitsi in this case - to do my audio video calling. Luckily, Matrix is getting native support through a recent proposal - woohoo!
I see a lot of potential in Matrix and Element, but it's still too young to just throw at my novice friends and be like, "use this now!" xD I use it, mainly for bridges actually, and it works well. Just wish updating said bridges was easier, but thats a sysops thing that im too lazy to implement... ^^;
What about TeamSpeak3? If you're only interested in the voip aspect.
Discord absolutely butchered teamspeak, people aren't going to revert
Thanks for this!! Great video
Glad you enjoyed it! - S
All these kids are taught that it's hip whiteout understanding the obvious signs that you have no privacy. It amuses me when people think having some anime avatar will hide their identity.
Use Matrix/Element.
And yeah, when someone tried making a discord client for 3DS they got banned immediately. Thanks for the recommendation about ublock and simplelogin, though!
I'm rewatching this actually.
I got 2 family members to use signal but.... that's not enough but progress.
I'll probably be using matrix/element for community stuff or dicord like group chat
There is something I appreciate about both Discord and Reddit; sections for communities based around topics, subjects, and passions.
That is a great thing but things like Matrix can have that too! - S
Mumble is MVP! I never really used Discord that much. If it uses Electron, I run the other way.
I am leaving discord and moving to signal. Thanks for the video and additional info about the company.
I recently deleted my discord server with over 8000 members :)
Thanks for the breakdown and history without the snarky eye-rolling comments. I appreciate it. I've been doing my research on the company recently and this was super helpful.
Glad it was helpful!
I never used discord before in my whole life and am very technically savvy so I would love ❤️ to start using it since I don’t have any friends offline except 3 from college who I’m starting to lose touch with.
9:48 Would sandboxing with Flatpak or a browser container be better?
Thanks!
Thanks for the info!
Thoughts on teamspeak and the new teamspeak 3 beta? Not out yet but the new teamspeak beta seems to be a great alternative
What is the best adblocker on Android?
I recently tryed matrix and it's pretty good but the devs of matrix and element focus on the wrong features. PRs with finished features just collect dust.
I haven't left (I can't, my weekly DND group runs on Discord, as does the entire game dev community in my local area, an industry I am trying to get into), but I have moved completely to the browser version
Discord banned me for ''breaching TOS'' but never provided me with a detailed reason of what I supposedly did wrong. Just like that, account gone & contacts gone. No e-mail given, upon request of a reason, no information was ever provided.
I am ignorant of any others experience however I have not once in my whole life throughout nearly 20 years of life joined a discord server that wasn't unimaginably toxic, I honestly don't know if I'm just considerably disfortunate or rather simply incapable of making friends, either aren't very far fetched to be completely truthfull, but put plainly every meaningfull instance Ive tryed to make conversion with anyone on any discord I have ever joined I have been grammatically battered constantly in every occasion for quite frankly the most nonsensicl of ideas , its like every individual I meet there simply must find a reason to yell at me and I know it's the most expected thing for a toxic person to say but I really dont think I'm a toxic person, I always read the rules all the way through and I always try to be as polite as I can to everyone, even if people are fighting I try my best to always stay out of it and yet every one I meet most every time even in community's I really enjoyed before and had the nicest people ive ever met and I'll get invited to there discord and get chewed up and spit out by everyone I try to talk to, even people I knew before joining the discord just gain this mob mentality against me and I'll never say anything that's offensive or inappropriate or anything I'll show up and be like hi and I'll just get picked apart from head to toe by every person there as If I had just stabbed somebody to death just by simply being there and now I don't even talk to anyone on discord anymore unless I know them irl because everyone else I meet there is mean to me and I just don't know why but every time it's like I just punched a wasps nest now I'll join a discord and I'll at most talk to a mod (which are generally pretty cool people and I'm sure most people are on discord are to in general) at this point I never risk talking to anyone and just use discord to give me updates on whatever the discord is about because I'll do one thing somebody didn't like for the most random reason ever and then I'll never be able to show my face there ever again for the rest of human history and its never happened anywhere else (well except middle school but we all know how that goes lol) but seriously it's like I'm some dark harvenger of the apocalypse or something like it genuinely made me angry at times because I just can't understand why everyone seems to hate me so much like it's some sort of primal instinct to avoid me at all costs :(
I guess the problem with all the alternatives is that none of my friends want to move.
You never mentioned the raids on discord. aka server "Nukes"
I came to this video because I need to leave discord, as I don't approve of their new TOS.
I think someday I will need to move to something like IRC, but my friends and family are centralized on discord, so I'm kinda screwed there.
The problem also is that if a power admin bans you, there is no way to appeal. I got banned from the deadmau5 discord for asking a question and i mentioned him @deadmau5#0001 and didn't realise that the rules had been updated saying don't mention deadmau5 (he could turn off mentions). I then apologised and corrected my mistake and then woke up the next day to find myself banned. No option to appeal or anything. When I got in touch with discord, to message the admins, I had to be friends with someone who part of the deadmau5 discord to get back in or something. Discord should take responsibility for admins.
The day discord is brought out, is the day it dies out.
Joined your Matrix. Was already using it and I'm bullish, looks very promising.
XMPP is better for privacy, affordability and freedom hands down
@@theesteward9150
Based
@@theesteward9150 xmpp is pretty dead and unusable
@@climatechangedoesntbargain9140 Do you use iPhone?
@@theesteward9150 no, I use a Fairphone
I'm sorry, how do you configure UblockOrigin to block Discord in browser?
it already does it you dont need to do anything
You can't even block people properly on Discord
I left discord cause it had too many toxic ppl. Especially animation fan groups. Just disgusting what ppl do to feel entitled
sadly i cant move off discord but im gonna limit the data collection as much as i can
Kinda weird how the devs don’t patch this stuff.
Also, the scandals are kinda scary.
I feel like the creators and users need to be equal.
Ps. Their marketing is pretty cool.
Bro did you hear about the apple privacy violations with the photos app and scanning iMessage
Guys, what about Discord for windows app available on their website? Or I shouldn't bother and stick to the browser?
I have Signal......but was wondering how you create a Group so you can actually have Chats.....
I have never use it that way at all. Is there a way you can create a video as to how to use it!
For mobile you have CutTheCord this is like lightcord but for android
Slack is closed source
Partially because of this video and others, I am leaving discord as late as December. Some friends will be moving with me but won't be leaving discord.
Very useful video. Thank you!
You're welcome! - S
I like discord on phone but for Desktop, I'd like something better which is up to feature parity with discord.