The reason I like Klein is he is not op. Like every other novels, he is not the smartest, know everything since from the start. I feel more relateable that he has flaws like humans. The mindset that he prepared for fight and wars are like he concludes all possibilities, plan 1, plan2 .He might not be the smartest, but he sure is most hardworking to go through his journey to become a god.
@@francietheincrediblewarrio3039Fang Yuan was 500 when he started his story, to be fair unlike Klein, Fang Yuan restarted his life knowing full well what he had to do, wasn’t a matter of what/who or even when/how, js a matter of where.
By statement scaling/Pseudo-Kiyokouji scaling, this does makes sense, However in stop's scaling w/ a little bit of normal scaling, where we use onscreen feats and better execution, Klein absolutely takes the cake with Amon being a close second. Why Klein > Amon? WMI: Klein PSI: Klein STI: Klein CPI: Klein VSI: Amon VCI: Amon NVI: Amon FRI: Klein QRI: Klein AWMI: Klein GAI: Klein PRI: Klein TRI: Klein FSIQ: Klein Deduction: Klein Perception: Klein Guesswork: Klein Metacognition: Klein Seeing Through People: Amon Anticipation: Amon Prediction: Amon Adaptability: Klein Cold-Reading: Klein Hot-Reading: Klein Intuition: Klein Analytical Skills: Klein Observation: Klein Pattern Recognition: Klein Emotional Understanding: Klein Emotional Perception: Klein Emotional Management: Klein Emotional Engagement: Klein Self Awareness: Klein Social Awareness: Klein Acting Skills: Klein Social Skills: Klein Social Intuition: Klein Overall EQ: Klein Leadership: Klein Influence: Klein Aura: Klein Charisma: Klein Planning Aim: Amon Planning Versatility: Amon Short-Term Planning: Klein Preparation Process: Klein Long-Term Planning: Amon Planning Coverage: Amon Contingency: Klein Formulating Speed: Klein Info Gathering: Klein Info Control: Klein Execution: Klein Overall Planning: Klein Strategy Length: Amon Strategy Complexity: Klein Tactics: Amon Setting Traps: Amon Methods: Klein Success Rate: Klein Long-Term Strategy: Klein Short-Term Strategy: Amon Overall Strategy: Amon Cunning: Amon Misdirection: Amon Concealment: Amon Catfishing: Klein Fabrication: Klein Bluffing: Klein Unpredictability: Klein Distraction: Amon Exploitation: Amon Strategical Deception: Amon Verbal Deception: Amon Overall Deception: Amon Associative Thinking: Klein Abstract Thinking: Klein Convergent Thinking: Klein Divergent Thinking: Amon Non-Linear Thinking: Amon Strategical Thinking: Amon Linear Thinking: Klein Creative Thinking: Klein Critical Thinking: Klein Overall Thinking: Klein Direct Manipulation: Amon Indirect Manipulation: Amon Emotional Manipulation: Amon Mass Manipulation: Klein Positive Manipulation: Klein Logical Manipulation: Amon Individual Manipulation: Amon Raw Manipulation: Amon Triangulation: Klein Guilt-Tripping: Klein Love Bombing: Klein Seduction: Klein Threats: Amon Enticement: Amon Persuasion: Klein Negotiation: Klein Flattery: Klein Abusing Insecurities: Amon Post Goal Moving: Amon White Knight: Amon Coercion: Amon Fallacies: Amon Fear Inducement: Amon Brainwashing: Amon Gaslighting: Amon Overall Manipulation: Amon Deductive Reasoning: Klein Inductive reasoning: Klein Abductive Reasoning: Klein Conceptual Reasoning: Klein Cognitive Reasoning: Klein Systematic Reasoning: Klein Logical Reasoning: Klein Overall Reasoning: Klein Illogical Reasoning: Amon Statements: Amon Knowledge: Amon Onscreen Feats: Klein Offscreen Feats: Amon Potential: Klein Fixed Situations: Klein Non-Fixed Situations: Amon Cat and Mouse Game: Klein RLS (Sratch): Klein RLS (Influence): Klein Overall Winner: Klein (High-Extreme Diff)
The list you made is a logical fallacy because the things you gave klien above amon are the exact things you gave amon above Klein you just changed the wording
MGOD should be on this list, probably at 2 where GA is because she has some of the best feats in this domain such as silently corrupting Bethel and Roselle among others where GA seems to be overconfident and lacking and backup plans.
Hard to agree since all the Outer Deities has bullshit upgraded Author/Visionary perk, which on top of any knowledge about them would attract their gaze, anyone below s2 would just go mad and s2-1 can still get corrupted
@@myssoferia2191to be honest, in the past several hundred chapter of COI the collective intelligence of all the outer gods combined continues to be less than Adam’s. My prediction has so far been wrong.
At this point i am sure that CW is the main antagonist of the whole LOTM trilogy He is someone who has been mentioned since chapter 2 or 3 (i guess). Everything that klein is right now was basically because of CW (debatable). We know that ASG is on the side of humanity. Outer deities are a problem but they dont fit well as THE MAIN ANTAGONIST of THE GREATEST WEBNOVEL.
1.Agreed. 2.That feat isn't impressive considering that GA didn't have any constituency plan for his revival in case he died. But, narratively he wielded the authority of Visionary and White toward, so it's compulsory for him to be smart and on par with CW. 3.Ancient sun god, ASG, orchestrated the whole plan of killing ancient God by cooperating with their subsidiary gods. Later on, when GA was trying to awaken inside him, he ordered Sassir to found Rose redemption to kill himself. But, ASG was very cautious about it. He actually made his image as if he fully trusted the other king of angels that they wouldn't betray him. But, he had a backup plan in case Rose redemption betrayed him. He was successful in reviving within Adam without the suspicion of other gods. Later on, he tried to manifest his image as a child who is devoted to reviving his father, even though he had revived, which proved to be a plan that was successful in fooling gods and many others. Later on, he founded Psychology Alchemist via Hermes so that there wouldn't be any suspicion that THO was behind the great fog of Backlund. He also had some other plans. Also, GOO or Seven Lights didn't have many feats to be put that high. Seven Lights' only achievement is that they have infinite knowledge. And knowledge did play a part in smartness, but it isn't essentially the whole. GOO has been stated to be somewhat in a crazy state due to convergence. 4.Amon, Amon was known as the God of Deception for a reason. Amon killed and stole the identity of the Zoroast family ancestor. But, he didn't immediately announce that. Instead, he used some high sequence characteristics of Error Pathway as a treasure to lure Pallez or someone from his family, saying that this was a treasure left behind by the fourth epoch angel family ancestor. Amon later on captured Klein via his power of error. He parasitized him deeply so that he could get the honorific name or something of CW, which he recited to gain ownership of Sefirah Castle. But he was unsuccessful because Klein had to allow him to enter Sefirah Castle. So, Amon used a different type of strategy. He ended his parasitizing in the name of giving Klein hope of escape. But Klein numerous times attempted suicide, but his attempts were fruitless. Klein became deeply depressed because of this. But Klein later deduced that this was a scheme of Amon. Amon's motive was to give Klein hope, but after some time, he would crush that hope. So, in frustration, Klein would give Amon the authority of Sefirah Castle to escape his pursuit. Amon also deceived the Evernight Goddess during the apotheosis ritual of Klein.
I would just like to clarify that it’s not that CW couldn’t seal the last 2 sefirot, it’s that he chose not to. He basically places an ultimatum on the people of the eastern continent where if they wanted an ATS before the apocalypse it’d have to be either him of GA which only further shows how good of scammer he really is.
She helped to prevent it - she separated and sent to FLOG "curtain" Zhou had to have when transmigrated to Kleins body - which in turn should have instantly make him seq1 archangel with CW immediately awakening in Klein + she might also be a reason why Roselle didnt end up like that as well.
Pillar Klein should be nigh omniscient via auto divination through the spirit world. But if ur talking about Klein before he was a god, Fang is prob smarter from what I’ve heard. I dropped RI 200 chapters into it so idk.
@@chousion6890 bud, are you listening to yourself💀you cant compare something like giant to visionary error or door LMAO, i really hope youve read the whole novel before misinforming
@@bojidariordanov3493 tf are you even saying? yes you can compare a giant to those pathways. you’re the one who needs to read the novel. multiple characters including klein (and even Cuttle fish) confirmed all pathways are pretty equal, it all depending on the user and how it’s used.
@@bojidariordanov3493 A giant pathway can blitz and 3 shot one of those pathways in close combat, none of then can even compete. what allows them to fight the giant pathway is their hacks, but giant pathway is even immune to some hacks like mind or soul tempering.
On the last battle inside sefirah, when every god is leaving and just waiting for the outcome, amon is still lose, amon is a god with dual pathways fighting klein that still barely digest the fool potion, and needs time to stabilize his insanity. Amon always fought klein with a higher level, If they fought on the same level there is no way amon will beat klein.
No that is not fair amon never challenged klien in an unfair battle while amon did have a higher sequence klein had a sefirot behind him which by status is higher than amon though argument could be made that klein did not have full control still fair fight
No shot you put the sequence 0 of the literal nerd education pathway below a sequence 1 schemer. Feats be damned the difference in their levels & domains puts herabergen leagues above medici in terms of intelligence, like the man is literally called the god of knowledge and wisdom bro
Ince zangwell was also smart. even if he is not very important to the story he should be included. he only failed because the intervention of adam and klein and other kings of angels.
@@agrawalhospital5605 if you don't want to then just don't compare and ignore this, theirs a whole community for smart characters debate, for power scaling or even ranking go tell that to all of them, and why's comparing wrong when the whole shorts is about comparing smart characters.
"Just for Shits and giggles" got me cracking up 😂😂😂
I remember Lumian compared Amon to bed bugs and cockroaches, so annoying and everywhere, shows up from every hole. Kinda presice tho
Absolutely trash list, Susie should've been Rank 0, followed by Frank at Rank 1
They transcend the concept of smartness so it would be insulting to put them on this list.
@@LNhistorianMan is speaking the language of facts and beyond
@@LNhistorian True true
Lol😂
praise the mushroom god!!!
The reason I like Klein is he is not op. Like every other novels, he is not the smartest, know everything since from the start. I feel more relateable that he has flaws like humans. The mindset that he prepared for fight and wars are like he concludes all possibilities, plan 1, plan2 .He might not be the smartest, but he sure is most hardworking to go through his journey to become a god.
I’d say Fang Yuan is the most hardworking
@@francietheincrediblewarrio3039 don't drag that mf into this...
We're doing LoTM here and besides
I personally just hate that guy...!!
@@francietheincrediblewarrio3039Fang Yuan was 500 when he started his story, to be fair unlike Klein, Fang Yuan restarted his life knowing full well what he had to do, wasn’t a matter of what/who or even when/how, js a matter of where.
You know you're reading lotm when the literal god of knowledge is barely top 10
definitely one of the most accurate lotm list i've seen so far
Amon the scammer😂, most accurate list so far.
By statement scaling/Pseudo-Kiyokouji scaling, this does makes sense,
However in stop's scaling w/ a little bit of normal scaling, where we use onscreen feats and better execution, Klein absolutely takes the cake with Amon being a close second. Why Klein > Amon?
WMI: Klein
PSI: Klein
STI: Klein
CPI: Klein
VSI: Amon
VCI: Amon
NVI: Amon
FRI: Klein
QRI: Klein
AWMI: Klein
GAI: Klein
PRI: Klein
TRI: Klein
FSIQ: Klein
Deduction: Klein
Perception: Klein
Guesswork: Klein
Metacognition: Klein
Seeing Through People: Amon
Anticipation: Amon
Prediction: Amon
Adaptability: Klein
Cold-Reading: Klein
Hot-Reading: Klein
Intuition: Klein
Analytical Skills: Klein
Observation: Klein
Pattern Recognition: Klein
Emotional Understanding: Klein
Emotional Perception: Klein
Emotional Management: Klein
Emotional Engagement: Klein
Self Awareness: Klein
Social Awareness: Klein
Acting Skills: Klein
Social Skills: Klein
Social Intuition: Klein
Overall EQ: Klein
Leadership: Klein
Influence: Klein
Aura: Klein
Charisma: Klein
Planning Aim: Amon
Planning Versatility: Amon
Short-Term Planning: Klein
Preparation Process: Klein
Long-Term Planning: Amon
Planning Coverage: Amon
Contingency: Klein
Formulating Speed: Klein
Info Gathering: Klein
Info Control: Klein
Execution: Klein
Overall Planning: Klein
Strategy Length: Amon
Strategy Complexity: Klein
Tactics: Amon
Setting Traps: Amon
Methods: Klein
Success Rate: Klein
Long-Term Strategy: Klein
Short-Term Strategy: Amon
Overall Strategy: Amon
Cunning: Amon
Misdirection: Amon
Concealment: Amon
Catfishing: Klein
Fabrication: Klein
Bluffing: Klein
Unpredictability: Klein
Distraction: Amon
Exploitation: Amon
Strategical Deception: Amon
Verbal Deception: Amon
Overall Deception: Amon
Associative Thinking: Klein
Abstract Thinking: Klein
Convergent Thinking: Klein
Divergent Thinking: Amon
Non-Linear Thinking: Amon
Strategical Thinking: Amon
Linear Thinking: Klein
Creative Thinking: Klein
Critical Thinking: Klein
Overall Thinking: Klein
Direct Manipulation: Amon
Indirect Manipulation: Amon
Emotional Manipulation: Amon
Mass Manipulation: Klein
Positive Manipulation: Klein
Logical Manipulation: Amon
Individual Manipulation: Amon
Raw Manipulation: Amon
Triangulation: Klein
Guilt-Tripping: Klein
Love Bombing: Klein
Seduction: Klein
Threats: Amon
Enticement: Amon
Persuasion: Klein
Negotiation: Klein
Flattery: Klein
Abusing Insecurities: Amon
Post Goal Moving: Amon
White Knight: Amon
Coercion: Amon
Fallacies: Amon
Fear Inducement: Amon
Brainwashing: Amon
Gaslighting: Amon
Overall Manipulation: Amon
Deductive Reasoning: Klein
Inductive reasoning: Klein
Abductive Reasoning: Klein
Conceptual Reasoning: Klein
Cognitive Reasoning: Klein
Systematic Reasoning: Klein
Logical Reasoning: Klein
Overall Reasoning: Klein
Illogical Reasoning: Amon
Statements: Amon
Knowledge: Amon
Onscreen Feats: Klein
Offscreen Feats: Amon
Potential: Klein
Fixed Situations: Klein
Non-Fixed Situations: Amon
Cat and Mouse Game: Klein
RLS (Sratch): Klein
RLS (Influence): Klein
Overall Winner: Klein (High-Extreme Diff)
😮🤯
You blew my mind.
W but I would give a few more points to Amon like abduction, perception cuz these are all what his pathway specializes in
Damn😭😭
The list you made is a logical fallacy because the things you gave klien above amon are the exact things you gave amon above Klein you just changed the wording
MGOD should be on this list, probably at 2 where GA is because she has some of the best feats in this domain such as silently corrupting Bethel and Roselle among others where GA seems to be overconfident and lacking and backup plans.
Hard to agree since all the Outer Deities has bullshit upgraded Author/Visionary perk, which on top of any knowledge about them would attract their gaze, anyone below s2 would just go mad and s2-1 can still get corrupted
@@myssoferia2191to be honest, in the past several hundred chapter of COI the collective intelligence of all the outer gods combined continues to be less than Adam’s. My prediction has so far been wrong.
I would make a tier list of characters I want to absolutely gets smashed around .
Top 3 contenders are Amon, Adam and Medici.
“The Fool that doesn’t belong to this era;
The Mysterious Ruler above the gray fog;
The King of Yellow and Black who wields good luck.”
At this point i am sure that CW is the main antagonist of the whole LOTM trilogy
He is someone who has been mentioned since chapter 2 or 3 (i guess). Everything that klein is right now was basically because of CW (debatable). We know that ASG is on the side of humanity. Outer deities are a problem but they dont fit well as THE MAIN ANTAGONIST of THE GREATEST WEBNOVEL.
CW: Either Revive me or DIE
1.Agreed.
2.That feat isn't impressive considering that GA didn't have any constituency plan for his revival in case he died. But, narratively he wielded the authority of Visionary and White toward, so it's compulsory for him to be smart and on par with CW.
3.Ancient sun god, ASG, orchestrated the whole plan of killing ancient God by cooperating with their subsidiary gods. Later on, when GA was trying to awaken inside him, he ordered Sassir to found Rose redemption to kill himself. But, ASG was very cautious about it. He actually made his image as if he fully trusted the other king of angels that they wouldn't betray him. But, he had a backup plan in case Rose redemption betrayed him. He was successful in reviving within Adam without the suspicion of other gods. Later on, he tried to manifest his image as a child who is devoted to reviving his father, even though he had revived, which proved to be a plan that was successful in fooling gods and many others. Later on, he founded Psychology Alchemist via Hermes so that there wouldn't be any suspicion that THO was behind the great fog of Backlund. He also had some other plans.
Also, GOO or Seven Lights didn't have many feats to be put that high. Seven Lights' only achievement is that they have infinite knowledge. And knowledge did play a part in smartness, but it isn't essentially the whole. GOO has been stated to be somewhat in a crazy state due to convergence.
4.Amon, Amon was known as the God of Deception for a reason. Amon killed and stole the identity of the Zoroast family ancestor. But, he didn't immediately announce that. Instead, he used some high sequence characteristics of Error Pathway as a treasure to lure Pallez or someone from his family, saying that this was a treasure left behind by the fourth epoch angel family ancestor. Amon later on captured Klein via his power of error. He parasitized him deeply so that he could get the honorific name or something of CW, which he recited to gain ownership of Sefirah Castle. But he was unsuccessful because Klein had to allow him to enter Sefirah Castle. So, Amon used a different type of strategy. He ended his parasitizing in the name of giving Klein hope of escape. But Klein numerous times attempted suicide, but his attempts were fruitless. Klein became deeply depressed because of this. But Klein later deduced that this was a scheme of Amon. Amon's motive was to give Klein hope, but after some time, he would crush that hope. So, in frustration, Klein would give Amon the authority of Sefirah Castle to escape his pursuit. Amon also deceived the Evernight Goddess during the apotheosis ritual of Klein.
I would just like to clarify that it’s not that CW couldn’t seal the last 2 sefirot, it’s that he chose not to. He basically places an ultimatum on the people of the eastern continent where if they wanted an ATS before the apocalypse it’d have to be either him of GA which only further shows how good of scammer he really is.
frank victim
that's overkill, all of fiction is frank victim
i think i missed a lot of details in reading lotm like when was it mentioned that evernight help with celestial wrothy revival?
She helped to prevent it - she separated and sent to FLOG "curtain" Zhou had to have when transmigrated to Kleins body - which in turn should have instantly make him seq1 archangel with CW immediately awakening in Klein + she might also be a reason why Roselle didnt end up like that as well.
Who do you think is smarter klein or fang Yuan?
Pillar Klein should be nigh omniscient via auto divination through the spirit world. But if ur talking about Klein before he was a god, Fang is prob smarter from what I’ve heard. I dropped RI 200 chapters into it so idk.
@@LNhistorian oh ok, I've seen a ri fan say he is nigh omniscient and has outsmarted the all of the heavens.
@@Koin00 Fang Yuan does have some crazy feats later (Qi sea disguise etc.) But I'd put latter volume Klein above him.
@@sungjinmori6498 oh ok ig it makes sense that his omniscient is better than fang Yuan's because he scales so much higher than him.
@Kleinisdaddy it's unfortunate u dropped it, it would be fun seeing you putting fang yuan in 1v1 against others.
where would you rank Adam Klein and Amon after the new chapters in Coi? also the oldest one is actually number 1
smart fella, fart smella
What about Adam ?
Is he ASG ?
Fang Yuan gaps.
you know when the LN is fucked up when literally THE FUCKING GOD of KNOWLEDGE isn’t even top 10
Which one is stronger
Black emperor or error
equal, all pathways are pretty balance, it's like a rock paper ceaser game with the pathways and it all depends on the user of the abilities.
@@chousion6890 bud, are you listening to yourself💀you cant compare something like giant to visionary error or door LMAO, i really hope youve read the whole novel before misinforming
@@bojidariordanov3493 tf are you even saying? yes you can compare a giant to those pathways. you’re the one who needs to read the novel. multiple characters including klein (and even Cuttle fish) confirmed all pathways are pretty equal, it all depending on the user and how it’s used.
@@bojidariordanov3493 A giant pathway can blitz and 3 shot one of those pathways in close combat, none of then can even compete. what allows them to fight the giant pathway is their hacks, but giant pathway is even immune to some hacks like mind or soul tempering.
@@chousion6890 what Klein says doesnt matter when we can see how unbalanced some are compared to others LMFAOOOO
On the last battle inside sefirah, when every god is leaving and just waiting for the outcome, amon is still lose, amon is a god with dual pathways fighting klein that still barely digest the fool potion, and needs time to stabilize his insanity.
Amon always fought klein with a higher level, If they fought on the same level there is no way amon will beat klein.
right
No that is not fair amon never challenged klien in an unfair battle while amon did have a higher sequence klein had a sefirot behind him which by status is higher than amon though argument could be made that klein did not have full control still fair fight
Klein should be higher up after recent events
ah yes the god of knowledge who is nearly omniscient is top 10
No shot you put the sequence 0 of the literal nerd education pathway below a sequence 1 schemer. Feats be damned the difference in their levels & domains puts herabergen leagues above medici in terms of intelligence, like the man is literally called the god of knowledge and wisdom bro
It’s Medici glazing week.
@@LNhistorianbut tbh we kind of know that god of knowledge is collaborating with Adam
Ince zangwell was also smart. even if he is not very important to the story he should be included. he only failed because the intervention of adam and klein and other kings of angels.
It's smartness and not outsmarting, right?
...
Right?
I won't watch this yet, but I will once I read it! :D
me when the god of knowledge isnt number one
in a list of smart people god of knowledge is ranked 10 avg lotm moments 🤣
CW feels like fang yuan..
benson :)
Haha! Adam didn’t make the list! He’s not on the list… right…? Right!?
Adam never existed in the first place
asg
What are you guys doing? Don't speak his name.
Isn't Adam supposed to be on this list?
asg
Intresting 🧐
Fang yuan mid diff everyone combined
No he's not
In logical and methological scaling it wouldve be more lower .
in stop the diff would be higher though.
Like enjoy the novels. Why compare about absolutely different and useless things
@@agrawalhospital5605 if you don't want to then just don't compare and ignore this, theirs a whole community for smart characters debate, for power scaling or even ranking go tell that to all of them, and why's comparing wrong when the whole shorts is about comparing smart characters.