@ Brett Hall I have been binge watching your videos since last night ever since I heard you on the Blood & Dust podcast. Each video about 3x now. I need to buy your book. lol
For the record I’ve always found it suspicious how quickly pat buried Billy. Common in those days to take a picture with an outlaw you killed in the line of duty
Besides that, I always found strange that the locals just "accepted" the Kid's death, I would imagine that those who loved the kid (and surely He was at Fort Sumner) would chase Garrett over vengeance, but it seems people just carried on with their lives... that seems really strange to me (not to mention that Garret and Billy used to ride together).
I'm not sure if the locals did just accept the fact. It's been reported that most of the locals adored Billy the Kid. If I was one of them and Pat Garrett said he killed the kid when he really didn't, I'd go along with it. Whatever you say,boss. If they spoke up, that would have just caused trouble. If they knew for a fact it wasn't Billy the Kid, then their guy got away. No need to say a word. I read that as time went by, they started talking about in public. Both sides we're playing the game to their advantage.
I will add this as well, I don't think Pat Garrett fired a shot that night! I think it was Kip McKinney who accidentally shot the wrong man on the front Porch of Pete Maxwells house.
Brett, I have to hand it to you, you have more patience than I do dealing with these same questions over and over again. If I had a dollar for every time someone said to me "well, he could not speak Spanish or he was ilitterate" I would be a millionaire by now.
Look at Brushy Bills wrists in the photo of him standing with the man who believed he was Brushy Bill. It was a known fact that Billy Bonny had very slim wrists. It was said that is how he managed to escape a few times, by slipping the handcuffs off his wrists. Also the way he is standing,is very similar to how he is standing in the tin type photo. Also his ears are the same in both pictures. I always believed he was Billy the kid.
Brushy Bill Roberts spoke fluently Spanish ,, he also lived and worked in Juarez Mexico and had a family as well .. My great grandfather. never said that he was Billy the kid due to the fact that he immigrated to El Paso Texas in 1910 ,, but does remember Bill brushing claiming to be Billy the kid many years later ,, It’s definitely a mystery
Very indepth study, I've watched all 4 of your videos on the topics that are always brought up against him. Very well done and straight facts, thank you!
The 2 main things that make me believe completely that Brushy Bill was in fact Billy the kid. 1) There are no death photos of the most notorious outlaw (Billy the Kid) of that time and possibly ever, however he was supposedly killed and buried pretty much immediately. 2) Brushy Bill gained absolutely nothing from reviling that he was Billy kid, nothing. Lincoln Nebraska will forever object to Brushy Bill’s story simply due to tourism.
When it came to the events of the night of July 14, 1881, Brushy said that a man named Billy Barlow was killed by Pat Garrett. Barlow, he said, was partially Mexican, had a beard, looked like the Kid, was a little younger than the Kid, and was possibly related to the Clements family, the cousins of John Wesley Hardin. Brushy also said that he doubted that Billy Barlow was the man's real name. After Barlow was killed, Brushy continued, he fled Fort Sumner. After fleeing Sumner, his story went, he lived in Mexico with a tribe of Yaqui Indians for two years; returned to the U.S. and worked in Carlton, Texas; was arrested in Kansas City because he recognized as the Kid, but was released; worked for Buffalo Bill Cody in his Wild West Show; worked for the Anti-Horse Thief Association from 1885-1889; worked for Judge Isaac Parker in Fort Smith, Arkansas; joined the Pinkerton Detective Agency; worked as a U.S. Marshal investigating train robberies; joined the Rough Riders and went to Cuba; briefly operated his own Wild West Show; fought for Villa and Carranza in the Mexican Revolution; worked as a plainclothes policeman in Gladewater, Texas; married four times; and used a dozen aliases
Did you write that yourself, or did you copy that from someone else? I didn't see a citation at the end. I don't mind if people take excerpts like that from my book, (as long as they credit me), but other authors are more sensitive about people taking such liberties with their work. Also, Roberts was married three times...not four. He was married to Mollie Brown from 1912-1919, to Louticia Ballard from 1925-1944, and to Melinda Allison from 1944 until his death in 1950. A fourth woman often cited as being a former wife of Roberts named Annie wasn't married to Brushy Bill. She was still alive in the early 1980s and was shown pictures of Brushy Bill by researcher Ken Osthimer, and she stated that Brushy Bill wasn't the Oliver Roberts that she was married to. I will cover this in a future video and present all the documents that prove it.
@@brushybret I just remembered what I read from online, so it was just a statement that Brushy Bill was married 4 times. I didn't cite it cause I can't remember which site it was. Now this Annie who was married to Oliver Roberts would've been well over 100 years old if she had been married to the Outlaw Billy the Kid because of the fact that Billy was born in 1859. However, I do believe that Bill Roberts was telling the truth and was in fact the Kid. If we all think about it, it's possible that he lied to his wives and family about his birthdate to keep his identity a secret as he wouldn't want them to be afraid of him
@@ChiefsNation3peat She was born in 1888 and died in 1983. She was married to a man named Oliver P. Roberts, and some researchers and authors have tried to claim that she was married to Brushy Bill Roberts.
@@brushybret Yes I understand that which is why I don't believe that she was married to Brushy Bill. She would've been about 30 years older than Brushy if he was born in 1859 as he claimed. In his interview, he said that he assumed his cousin's identity Oliver Roberts. The other Oliver had a different middle name and he's more than likely the one who was married to Annie. I just have a big feeling that there's some kind of connection between the two. Did you even know that Billy the Kid had a brother? Legend has it that Pat Garrett may have killed Billy Barlow instead of Billy so he was able to sneak out of the night and lived a new life in Hico, Texas. There's even professional photo analysts who claims that Brushy Bill matches with Billy the Kid. I guess my real question is, who was Joe Hines? He obviously knew Billy was living a new life as Brushy Bill. Maybe he's Jesse's brother Frank, or just a close acquaintance of Billy the Kid
@@pendragonU Not necessarily cause of the fact that Brushy’s niece claimed that he was born in 1879 according to their family bible, so it's possible that he lied to his family so they wouldn't think that he was Billy the Kid. He actually did tell his wife that Billy the Kid was his brother, so it makes sense why he did that so they wouldn't fear him
can you explain if Brushy was not Billy, then how did Brushy know details in regards to places...people....details of the letters billy wrote....and among other details not known to many in the 1950s with out internet and such. How would he know details of the letters of billy to wallace. I doubt Billy the kid emailed them to everybody. Only if he was there at that time and places would he know specific details on the settings and things that was happening not know to many.
I see a very striking resemblance to William h Bonnie in that picture right there especially with the shoulders in the arms slung low with the shoulders drooping down like they do. Only I thought William h Bonnie was a little shorter than that
In my opinion,, it don't take a rocket scientist to figure out he was the real billy the kid.... After everything blew over and the world thought he was killed in fact he wasn't , He got a second chance in life and lived low key..... GOOD FOR YOU BILLY!! He deserved it....
@@terrysmith7956 I hope that is true.. I hope Pat Garret saw how he was betrayed by the Governor .hopefully he helped him fake his death. It's a pleasant thought to know he ..hopefully lived a long full peaceful life.
My ol papa said brushy bill was crazy as hell. btw I knew Bob Hefner well. He was hook line and sinker all in on ol brushy. Great folk lore and money maker via tourist back home in Hico.
Im seeing lot's of comments about height. It is very common form to continue growing untill 24 years old. Both of my sons are over 6 feet and where not at 18, not even close. How old was Billy when he allegedly was killed?
Billy the Kid was approximately 21 and was said to be 5'8 tall when the shooting in Ft. Sumner occurred. According to his doctor and the man who prepared his body for burial, Brushy Bill Roberts, was also 5'8.
The real Bill was around 5'7 or 5'8 think of Tom Cruise "tall" which for the XiX century was more of the average for Caucasians than Today's average which is near 5'10 ft. Consider that American natives were taller and a particular tribe, the Comanche were among the tallest in the planet with an average of 5'11 feet, which is even taller than Today's and closer to the average in modern Denmark. But given the nourishment, which in critical years of growing the McCarty boys were neglected, orphaned the may have stunted some from the full growth they should have had. However for someone that in his max growth was about 5'8 ft it means he should have lost 2-3 inches of height by his 60's and definitely by his 90's and his height at death should have been 5'6 ft or less. Much noticeable to don't even confuse them just by eyesight and less by standard measurement ....think of Elijah Wood -Frodo or the Harry Potter pixie guy. This Billy "the Brushed" was not the real Mac
I try and stay open-minded about all things Kid related. With that said, my biggest problem with the Miller claim is that unlike Brushy Bill Roberts, Miller's claim relies almost entirely on statements made by others. While Roberts sat down with William V. Morrison and told his life story, he also kept a journal and collected letters and notarized affidavits to support his claims. Unfortunately, Miller didn't do any of that.
@@brushybret I also looked into Millers claim and he looks more like Billy then Roberts does .A lawyer said he had a trunk belonging to Miller and in that trunk were contents that proved Miller was really the Kid .But the trunk has disappeared .Has anyone ever looked for this trunk ?
@@michaelwhite3488 Like I said before, I try and stay open-minded to all possibilities. However, we just don't have anything concrete to support Miller's claim. Yes, I've heard about this purported trunk...but no one has been able to verify its existence. It would be awesome if it turned up. As far as Roberts and the Kid's physical similarities, I respectfully disagree that Miller looks more like him. Remember, at least 5 people who knew the Kid from his days in New Mexico stated that Roberts not only looked like Billy but was in fact him (Severo Gallegos, Jose Montoya, Martile Ables, William Campbell, and Jim McDaniels). Also, the Kaya Kobayashi Facial recognition study conducted by the University of Texas-Austin also concluded that Roberts and the Dedrick-Upham Tintype were a statistical match (source The Trial of Billy the Kid by Judge Bob Hefner).
I agree with you Shawn, he had facial recognition done as well. He owned alittle hole in the wall ranch which bordered the Indian rez. Had a Mexican wife, raised a adopted Indian kid and kept his mouth shut. Moved to Buckeye Ariz after his wife died and was in bad health, later passing away in Prescott, Ariz. His kid was a believer and said they always traveled at night to town.
There’s evidence Billy the kid was not as educated as legend says . I’ve heard compelling evidence that Brushy Bill was really Billy the Kid. I’ve also heard compelling and contradicting evidence he was not . It’s an interesting story. Records back then were not very good and legends are not accurate . So I don’t believe anyone know for sure.
I used to speak Spanish 25 years ago when I was married to a Peruvian. But after 25 years I’ve forgotten most of it. If you don’t use it you lose it.. that’s the truth.
My Grandfather, ME being 57 told me stories all the time of those days. I was born and raised in San Bernardino county. Grandpa told me lote od stories as I was scared of the dark. He told me stories to put me to sleep as we shared the same room. Not going into detail, Pat Garrett did not kill Billiy
Has anyone ever questioned brushy Bill Roberts regarding what really happened on the night that Pat Garrett claims he shot him? I would also like to know that if Billy The kid did survive where did he go in the ensuing years after he was allegedly killed?
@@thomasandrews8033 Thomas...look up unsolved mysteries Billy the kid...its a good source on what happend with Brushy Bill that night and his story. you must watch it and you should have a good Idea.
There was another boy whose name was Billy, so the Billy the Kid ask him to go see what Pat is doing in the room where Pat was, then that Billy may have walk in and Pat shot him, if Pat see this boy on the floor, then he would know that was not Billy the KId, even he had told everyone he shot Billy the Kid, but that was make it up. He does not want anyone and the law know that Billy the Kid is alive. There are several story on what happened, but nothing had solve the truth.
Brushy Bill's transcript of the formerly thought lost audio tapes in a book by W.C. Jameson gives shocking detail about what happened that night. Billy Barlow was a half mexican young man close in age to Billy who was his friend and it is said he could pass for Billy the Kid in a dark environment. I personally believe Brushy told the truth especially since a later found newspaper report about the killing stated that "Billy's" body was disguised to look mexican and had a dark full beard, which so happens it is said that description fits Billy Barlow. Also if Billy the Kid was killed then why were 2 more warrants for his arrest issued, one in 1882 I believe and again in 1885?? Also there was a point years later in another state where Brushy was arrested for being Billy the Kid but his friends got the law to release him by convincing them he was not Billy the Kid at that time. I admit it will probably always be a mystery due to there not being more available evidence so far, but how in the world did Brushy know stuff about Lincoln that most historians didn't even know until many years later? I personally believe Brushy was in fact the real and only Billy the Kid. But that's my opinion based on the research I've been able to do so far.
He was 5'8'. I made a video where I discuss his physical similarities to Billy the Kid and the results of the facial recognition study conducted by the University of Texas - Austin. ruclips.net/video/Y8KpyQTdBfk/видео.html
Billy the Kid was said to be 5'8 tall. According to his doctor and the man who prepared his body for burial, Brushy Bill Roberts, was also 5'8. Billy the Kid's shoe size was never recorded.
Pat Garrett did not kill Billy the Kid they were best friends and as much time as he spent in Mexico Common Sense would tell you that he could speak Spanish
what i would like to know is if brushy bill was right or left handed. in 1950 they thought Billy was left handed because of the reverse negative photo. but now we know he was right handed as Billy wore his pistol on his right hip and his rifle in his right hand,,,,,,,,,,,
is there any way that brushy bill made everything up and Morrison wanted this guy to be billy the kid that it was orchestrated by them selfs. Could Brushy Bill have read many books about billy the kid to know many of the information that he told Morrison?
I investigated this possibility and found it to be highly unlikely. Morrison was a well respected researcher. He worked with several well known historians like Phil Rasch, Charles Sonnichsen, Robert Mullin, E.B. Mann, etc., who all vouched for his credibility. Even those that disagreed with his opinion on Roberts never questioned his integrity. Even Leon Metz, who was Morrison's neighbor, said he believed Morrison really did believe Roberts was the Kid. Some things Roberts told Morrison wasn't known at the time, and some things Roberts said were to the contrary as to what historians believed about Billy at the time...and were later proven correct. I will be discussing this in an upcoming video.
@@brushybret thanks for the reply and thats one of the many questions upon reading the books. another is then why and for what reason would Pat Garret make a book knowing that it was not billy the kid he shot or if he indeed shot anybody that night. Why make a book knowing that the main person is still alive? makes no sense that he makes a book and that Billy might ever come back or anybody seeing him again. Many say they were friends but Billy was in jail for weeks awaiting trail then broke free. If Pat and Billy were tight friends wouldnt Pat release him at that time and not hunt him down. Also why on earth would Billy ever stay at Fort Sumner three months after he escaped. I think anybody who is on the run and hunted for murder would leave the territory. not mention that people knew that Billy ventured there before. I mean its only 139 miles away and still stay there knowing the law is after him. That night makes no sense in Pats Book. 2 deputies out side and billy sees them and well we knowwhat happens next. Why eould anybody on the run be not scared st night especialy seeing people outside petes place that he does not know go in. Anybody would be skeptical and looking over his shoulder all the time. Somthing is fishy in everything here. so many questions here in Pats book seem no to make sense. why would Pat help Billy escape ehrn he did nothing when he was in jail in Lincoln. Why write a book knowing Billy is alive and risk anybody saying Billy is not dead. Why state in the book that Poe states Billy would not go into the room and that oat shot the wrong man. Why state that. Pat did not get the reward money until weeks or months later due to many people did not believe him. Why make a book. Why would Billy stay in a well known area and risk being shot and hunted. Was it because of a woman?????? its puzzleing to think that he would risk getting caught by trackers, the law, army, Pat and others. I get that Brushy stated things not yet known by historians. Just that some of the things in Morisons Book and Edwards book about Billy has some things almost exactly like first hand account...example is in the books mentions Billy writing to the governer and looking at the actual letters well the wording was kind of an exact match in sense. I mean for being that old how would Brushy remember what he exactly wrote to the governer. Is there any way that Brushy have access to Billies letters and tell Morrison about them in detail. Could Brushy read books anf then tell Morrison. also about Billies prominent front teeth. Brushy doesnt seem to have that problem. Most of the time the prominent front teeth make for a real issue over the years. Thanks
@@ronniebishop2496 According to the UT Austin study which was done using the Kaya Kobayashi facial recognition system, one of the most accurate in existence. A system so reliable that it's been used by law enforcement agencies throughout the world and is admissible in court, Roberts and Billy matched. In the young Roberts photo his facial distances from mid-lip to nose and nose length are exactly the same as the Dedrick -Upham tintype. The chin measurements were also nearly identical with the only significant differences being in the photos of Roberts when he was old and missing teeth. The system assigned a perfect match to the tintype using an MSE (Means Squared Error) of 30 being a perfect match, the photograph of Roberts at age 20 yielded an MSE of 29.3!
Brett Hall The eyes that never change where they set in the head, look wider on Billy and closer to the nose on Brushy, besides how could he just disappear and never contact anyone he knew again especially that señorita he loved, that’s just hard to understand. Did Brushy claim to be Billy and what prompted him to suddenly do that?
And the hours Henry McCarty’s body was left on display after his body was prepared for burial? We have literal dozens of accounts from Fort Sumter residents and other reliable witnesses such as John W. Poe, Iginio Garcia and Jesus Silva who not only saw his body, but played an active role in the funeral. McCarty’s death sent a shockwave through the Hispanic community. The collective trauma left a lasting impact on the community. I find it rather disturbing how that is so easily, if not flippantly, ignored.
I'd also like to add that the individuals that corroborated the Garrett version of the shooting usually did so when speaking to non-Hispanic outsiders. However, when speaking to other Hispanics, friends, or family usually told an entirely different version as to what happened that night. I believe the effects of the Horrell War, which preceded the Lincoln County War, cannot be overstated when considering the distrust amongst the Hispanic community at the time of the shooting.
@@michaelbeck5764 Who was 6-1? Brushy Bill Roberts was 5-8 the same approximate height Billy the Kid was purported to be. Billy wasn't born in New York or Indiana as no real evidence exists to back up either claim. Several historians have covered this such as John Tuska (Billy the Kid His Life & Legend), Stephen Tatum (Inventing Billy the Kid), Phil Rasch (Trailing Billy the Kid), Robert Mullin (The Boyhood of Billy the Kid), etc.etc. Who died in the 1890s? As far as Billy's wounds go, no, he didn't keep a journal, but we know of wounds he received from the accounts of people like George and Frank Coe and other Lincoln County War participants. Brushy Bill's wounds were documented by Morrison and later by Wayne Rutledge, the man who prepared his body for burial.
Brushy Bill was not Billy the Kid...They did not have the same jaw line, Bill's eyes are closer together than Billy's and the newly restored photo of Billy, shows that he had a right ear halfway slashed off and the left ear also cut and healed...
Lady you really need to do some research as your batting zero for life in your posts. According to the facial recognition study conducted by the University of Texas which compared the Dedrick-Upham tintype to multiple images of Roberts determined that Roberts and Billy the Kid were a statistical match! This study was done using The Koya-Koybashi Facial Recognition System. This system is used by law enforcement agencies and has been used in US and international courts. The only discrepancy regarding the jaw was in photos of Roberts when he didn't have any teeth. Sources: The Trial of Billy the Kid by Judge Bob Hefner, The Return of the Outlaw Billy the Kid by WC Jameson and Frederic Bean.
By the way this video is about Roberts ability to speak Spanish! Do you have a retort? Try and stay on topic! I will have a video coming up about the University of Texas study.
@@brushybret There is a younger black&white photo of Brushy that also shows the same jaw/chin line that Brushy always had and never matched BTK. I tried to see the match, however I see two different people. Was Brushy also missing teeth in this photo? I haven't read a single book but only youtube videos on this topic. There is a book by Morrison who represented Brushy. I was wondering if you had any thought on it or which one to read first. I'm looking forward to the upcomming video in regards to the UoT study. Thanks!
@@Hinnybezoz I'm not sure which photo you are referring, but in many of his later photos he was missing teeth and in some cases had no teeth at all. According to the UT Austin study Roberts and Billy's chin matched. In the young Roberts photo his facial distances from mid-lip to nose and nose length are exactly the same as the Dedrick -Upham tintype. The chin measurements were also nearly identical with the only significant differences being in the photos of Roberts when he was old and missing teeth. The system assigned a perfect match to the tintype using an MSE (Means Squared Error) of 30 being a perfect match, the photograph of Roberts at age 20 yielded an MSE of 29.3!
The Morrison book which I often reference in my book, The Real Billy the Kid AKA Brushy Bill Roberts as well as my RUclips videos, is the book that got me into the whole Brushy Bill - Billy the Kid debate. At one time I was a hard core supporter of maintaining the historical status quo but once I started looking into the Roberts case and started collecting Morrison's papers the more I began to realize all the supposed evidence against Roberts couldn't stand up to even the slightest scrutiny, and it seemed the old man might actually have been telling the truth. Alias Billy the Kid is an awesome book and I highly recommend it. W.C. Jameson's books, The Return of The Outlaw Billy the Kid or Billy the Kid Beyond the Grave are also excellent. If you can find them Judge Bob Hefner's The Trial of Billy The Kid is a great read as well (Note: it was the first to publish the UT-Austin Study results). Also, Dr. Jannay Valdez and Bob Hefner's Billy the Kid: Killed In New Mexico - Died In Texas contains a lot of documents and details vital to Roberts' claim. Dr. William A. Tunstill's Billy the Kid And Me Were The Same is very difficult to find and focuses mainly on Roberts genealogy. Before Dr. Tunstill passed away he gave me his papers and videos and I will be including them in future videos.
@@TrumpDesantis-zm3kg With that logic, Billy the Kid in 1881 at the approximate age of 21 was 5'8'. People can continue to grow until around age 30. This is a ridiculous argument. By the way, not everyone shrinks with age and when one does, unless they have osteoporosis the level of shrinkage is usually less than an inch. Source: www.webmd.com/healthy-aging/how-much-do-you-shrink-as-you-age#1
Bill Roberts looks nothing like billy the kid, in my eyes there is zero resemblance, I don't believe pat Garrett killed billy but I also don't believe bill Roberts is the kid
The University of Texas-Austin did a facial recognition study, which showed Roberts and the famous Dedrick-Upham tintype of Billy the Kid to be a statistical match. Source: The Trial of Billy the Kid by Judge Bobby Hefner. Also, multiple individuals who knew Billy the Kid from his days in New Mexico also identified him as being Billy the Kid.
its possible he could of just forgot specially being on the run and making a new life for himself he was a wanted man if they found him they would of killed him. my granddad is bulgarian but hes lived in the uk since he was 18 hes in his 90s now he came here not knowing a single word of english as time went on he learned english the more he learned english and to speak it fluently the more he forgot his first language over the years living here lost his accent too if you spoke to him you would think he was born and raised in the uk hes got a standard london accent he still knows a few bits here and there but his first language has been lost if he ever went back to bulgaria he would be a foreigner just like you and me and wouldnt have a clue what was going on.
But your evidence is anecdotal and sometimes 2nd and 3rd hand, it is highly reliant upon stories passed down . How about finding somebody that spoke with him in Spanish. There are far too many ifs , buts and maybes on both sides of the argument. Did anybody actually see Bills teeth , Billy had prominent front teeth which stood out if seen..
Morrison, Sonnichsen, Ola Everhard, and Severo Gallegos all either conversed with or witnessed Roberts speaking Spanish. My next video addresses the teeth. Thanks for watching.
Trouble w Brushy, his own family contradicted him and proved that brushy was not 90yrs old, but in his 70s which made it impossible for him to be Billy the kid
The 1879 birth has been completely debunked. We have proof that Roberts worked in the mid 1880s to mid 1890s. We have records that he worked for the Anti-Horse-Thief- Association and at Ft. Smith Arkansas this is verified by the following: James R. Smith, Chief Deputy Marshal, Western District of Arkansas, Fort Smith Arkansas letter dated April 23, 1981, to Dr. William A. Tunstill and Jo Ann Kryal, Fort Smith National Historic Site letter dated March 14, 1983, to Dr. William A. Tunstill. Letter dated May 13, 1951, from Hodge Bailey, Secretary of The Anti-Thief- Association to William V. Morrison and letter dated May 14, 1951, from James Westfahl, Secretary of The Anti-Thief-Association, West Oklahoma Division to William V. Morrison. Also, in an interview dated November 30, 1949, from Jim Copeland of the Pinkerton Detective Agency to William V. Morrison, Copeland says that he worked with Roberts in 1888 to 1889 tracking horse thieves along the Red River from Texas to the Indian Territory (Oklahoma). These are just a few, and will include several others in my upcoming video debunking the 1879 birth claim. As far as his family not believing him goes, I have affidavits from more than 10 relatives of Brushy Bill that state they believe him to be Billy the Kid. Only a very vocal minority don't believe his claim.
Unfortunately, the only way we could ever know for sure if he was the true son of Billy the Kid would be through DNA testing. Most Kid historians dismiss him as being Billy's son due to the fact that Telesfor José Jaramillo was born in Fort Sumner on June 7, 1895-14 years after the Kid’s purported death and was the 3rd child to Paulita and José Jaramillo who were married on January 14, 1883. The first of their three children, Adelina, was born in January 1884, Luz their 2nd was born in November 1890.
According to both his Doctor and the man that prepared his body for burial, Brushy Bill Roberts was 5'8. He only looks tall standing next to Morrison, who was short.
@@ronniehenwood8580 I already did a video on this and unlike your comment, I list source citations. Thanks for watching. ruclips.net/video/Y8KpyQTdBfk/видео.html
@@ronniehenwood8580 With all due respect, you seem completely ignorant of the arguments against your side's positions. What books have you read that support Roberts' claim? Or have you arrived at a conclusion with only half of the argument? That is like watching a trial and the jury deliberating after the prosecution rests its case. All the supposed evidence against Roberts being the Kid is completely unfounded and lacks any supporting evidence, as proven in my videos. I've been researching Roberts' case for more than 30 years, and I've served as archivist for 2 museums. Furthermore, I'm completely aware of all the arguments from your side, and they are all complete and total fabrications. That is why your side never cites sources...because they don't exist! For instance, you claim Roberts wasn't 5'8' let's start with that... please cite your source! Roberts' doctor W. F. Hafer stated he was 5'8 as did the man who prepared his body for burial, Wayne Rutledge source: Billy the Kid & Me were The Same by William A. Tunstill. Both William V. Morrison and Charles Sonnichsen confirmed Roberts' height in Alias Billy the Kid by Morrison & Sonnichsen. Okay, it's your turn.
@@ronniehenwood8580 You speak of truth, yet you have admitted to knowing very little of Roberts' claim. If Gale Cooper is your sole source, then that explains a lot. I have all of her books, and about 130 other Billy the Kid & Lincoln County War books, and even seen her videos. I don't agree with her, but a serious researcher examines all the evidence before arriving at a conclusion. You say you're not interested in debating every specific detail of Roberts' claim, but that is precisely the point! How else is one to arrive at the proper conclusion without examining all the available evidence? Everything you stated about Roberts is patently false. In my video on physical similarities, I go over every single one of your claims. Once again, you make a lot of claims but fail to cite a specific source. With regard to Roberts' height, you've demonstrated absolutely no evidence to support your claim that he was taller than 5'8' other than your own baseless opinion. Do you think his doctor and the caretaker were lying when they stated his height to Dr. Tunstill? With regard to his hands and wrists this is discussed in Alias Billy the Kid by Morrison and Sonnichsen and Roberts was even able to demonstrate how he was able to free himself from handcuffs...because he had small hands and large wrists...just like Billy the Kid. His eyes were not brown, and I have no idea where you got that from. Every single person who knew Roberts stated that his eyes were the same as Billy's eyes were said to be. Severo Gallegos, who knew Billy the Kid during his days in New Mexico, met Roberts and verified that he was Billy the Kid and noted how Billy had such unique eyes and that Roberts possessed the same eyes as Billy. As far as his facial similarities go: The University of Texas - Austin did a facial recognition study on Brushy Bill and the Dedrick-Upham Tintype and determined the two men to be a match. The facial recognition study was conducted by 2 PhD scientist who used an internationally recognized facial recognition system that was peer reviewed in 2 scientific journals. They were not historians and had no interest in the Billy the Kid / Brushy Bill Roberts debate... They were completely impartial. I, too, was a longtime member of The Billy the Kid Outlaw Gang. I always enjoyed discussing Billy the Kid and Lincoln County War history with Ron Hadley, Doc Sproull, Jannay Valdez, and many others, I used to love going to the annual campout in Ruidoso. Believe it or not, I was once like you and believed the traditional account however, if you actually research it you'll find that absolutely none of the supposed evidence against Brushy Bill actually exists. I've made detailed videos on each claim and show the documents and evidence to support my contentions. As far as Gale Cooper goes, if she is so interested in the truth, then why when they tried to exhume the body at Ft. Sumner for DNA testing she fought Steve Sederwall and Tom Sullivan every step of the way? Unfortunately, for some people, being right is more important than getting it right. And that's just sad and unfortunate. Here is a link to my video that I discuss the physical similarities: ruclips.net/video/Y8KpyQTdBfk/видео.html Here is a link where I debunk the claim that Roberts was illiterate ruclips.net/video/4m8H-TwLbFo/видео.html Here is link where I debunk the claim that Roberts claimed to be a member of the James Gang: ruclips.net/video/lQYrXql6dCc/видео.html Here is a link where debunk the claim that Roberts was born in 1879 and not old enough to be Billy the Kid: ruclips.net/video/EK9oRxqmee0/видео.html
Looking at the picture of well known picture if William Bonney and this photo of Brushy Bill Roberts I can't see how anyone can say they are the same person. I don't care if Brushy Bill could speak Spanish or not. Anyone living around Spanish speaking people will pick it up. William Bonney's body and structure doesn't look physically fit. He has an awkward body. William Bonney has a homely face. Now if you look at Brushy Bill he has a more healthy looking body. His face looks not as homely. The way anyone can say that Brush Bill is William Bonney is that they wish it to be so.
The tin type of Billy the kid always reminded me of a young guy who was out drinking the night before and had a h*ll of a hangover. There is one other picture that has been verified as billy the kid. He doesn't look like the tin type.
Ancestors of pat ,,, pat never killed billy there were three men the room pat billy and another guy , billy and the other guy were in the room when pat snuck up the third guy was hiding when billy and pat were taking they saw the hotter guy and pat told billy to leave as soon as he left pat shot the other teenager , he couldn’t shoot the teenager while billy was there billy would of killed him so pat for him to leave then shot him and claimed he shot billy
It does not matter if Brushy Bill spoke Spanish or not. He is 110% not Billy the Kid… The photographs are not even remotely close. Totally different eye spacing/shape. Nose, cheek bones ect. I can’t believe people are entertaining this as possibly true…😂😂😂
The University of Texas - Austin facial recognition study that declared Roberts and Billy the Kid to be a match was conducted by 2 PhD scientist who used an internationally recognized facial recognition system that was peer reviewed in 2 scientific journals and further confirmed by two independent arbiters. They were not historians and had no interest in the Billy the Kid / Brushy Bill Roberts debate... They were completely impartial. Furthermore, multiple individuals who knew Billy the Kid during his Lincoln County War days confirmed Roberts was the Kid. Thanks for watching. 🖐🎤
I,personally dont know if brushy bill was BTK but i think there should be DNA done...im sure it cant be done against him and his family members who are still alive..im sure the roberts family would do it for there are many of them who say brushy had mental issues and was not Billy the kid
We actually tried to do DNA testing a few years ago. The plan was to exhume Brushy Bill, Catherine Antrim, and the body buried in Ft. Sumner. However, we were fought every step of the way by the powers that be...this is well documented and is detailed in Steve Sederwall's book, the Dirty on Billy the Kid. With regard to Brushy's relatives thinking he was crazy, that really isn't true. I have affidavits signed by about a dozen relatives who believe he was the real Billy the Kid. Only a vocal minority think otherwise. And keep in mind, we're talking about 2 very distant cousins here, one of which never met him and the other was a small child when Roberts died.
uh ..... how to say, if he can't speak Spanish, while the "Kid" knew how to speak it "and fluently anyway" it's that he's all just a hell of a liar! And I will add shame to him from his very grave!
I already did a video debunking this using census, marriage, employment, personal, and genealogical records to debunk this. No 1880 census exists which states that William Henry Roberts was born in 1879. I actually show the true census record in the first minute or so of the video.ruclips.net/video/EK9oRxqmee0/видео.html
@@brushybret you didn't debunk anything...that's just your ego talking. Census info from 1880 proves brushy Bill was a liar. Bill Roberts was 1year old in 1880. But go on ...
@@brianbreining8816 Yeah, I guess newspaper articles, census, marriage, employment, genealogical and personal records don't mean anything compared to your nonexistent census record that only exists in imagination land. No 1880 census record exists that lists William Henry Roberts as being 1 year old in 1880. I already did a video on this and show the census record in the first minute or so in the video. ruclips.net/video/EK9oRxqmee0/видео.html
i read in one of the news articles from the time billy was on the run, at 19 yrs he was 5'3 and weighed 125 pounds. he slipped through prison bars and climbed up a chimney. look how tall this guy is. 4:24
Brushy Bill Roberts was 5'8' as was Billy the Kid. Billy the Kid was interviewed by J.H. Koogler of the Las Vegas Gazette following his arrest by Pat Garrett at Stinking Springs, who described Billy as being between 5'7 and 5'8'. I already did a video discussing this, thanks for watching. ruclips.net/video/Y8KpyQTdBfk/видео.html
Here is a link to my video where I prove Brushy Bill Roberts wasn't illiterate. ruclips.net/video/4m8H-TwLbFo/видео.html
@ Brett Hall I have been binge watching your videos since last night ever since I heard you on the Blood & Dust podcast. Each video about 3x now. I need to buy your book. lol
Out of curiosity what would the people have to gain by dismissing Brushy Roberts?
For the record I’ve always found it suspicious how quickly pat buried Billy. Common in those days to take a picture with an outlaw you killed in the line of duty
Besides that, I always found strange that the locals just "accepted" the Kid's death, I would imagine that those who loved the kid (and surely He was at Fort Sumner) would chase Garrett over vengeance, but it seems people just carried on with their lives... that seems really strange to me (not to mention that Garret and Billy used to ride together).
There were no photographers from miles around from this town.
I can't believe how stupid people are to believe Roberts was William h bonney
@@princewilliam1717not true. Billy had the tin type photo taken there
I'm not sure if the locals did just accept the fact. It's been reported that most of the locals adored Billy the Kid. If I was one of them and Pat Garrett said he killed the kid when he really didn't, I'd go along with it. Whatever you say,boss. If they spoke up, that would have just caused trouble. If they knew for a fact it wasn't Billy the Kid, then their guy got away. No need to say a word. I read that as time went by, they started talking about in public. Both sides we're playing the game to their advantage.
I will add this as well, I don't think Pat Garrett fired a shot that night! I think it was Kip McKinney who accidentally shot the wrong man on the front Porch of Pete Maxwells house.
Brilliant, hope you make more videos on this topic. Subbed.
Brett, I have to hand it to you, you have more patience than I do dealing with these same questions over and over again. If I had a dollar for every time someone said to me "well, he could not speak Spanish or he was ilitterate" I would be a millionaire by now.
Great information. Thank you for posting.
Look at Brushy Bills wrists in the photo of him standing with the man who believed he was Brushy Bill. It was a known fact that Billy Bonny had very slim wrists. It was said that is how he managed to escape a few times, by slipping the handcuffs off his wrists. Also the way he is standing,is very similar to how he is standing in the tin type photo. Also his ears are the same in both pictures. I always believed he was Billy the kid.
Brushy Bill Roberts spoke fluently Spanish ,, he also lived and worked in Juarez Mexico and had a family as well .. My great grandfather. never said that he was Billy the kid due to the fact that he immigrated to El Paso Texas in 1910 ,, but does remember Bill brushing claiming to be Billy the kid many years later ,, It’s definitely a mystery
Very indepth study, I've watched all 4 of your videos on the topics that are always brought up against him. Very well done and straight facts, thank you!
Nice werk sir.....happy to be aboard!
The ears alone give him away
The 2 main things that make me believe completely that Brushy Bill was in fact Billy the kid. 1) There are no death photos of the most notorious outlaw (Billy the Kid) of that time and possibly ever, however he was supposedly killed and buried pretty much immediately. 2) Brushy Bill gained absolutely nothing from reviling that he was Billy kid, nothing. Lincoln Nebraska will forever object to Brushy Bill’s story simply due to tourism.
New Mexico
When it came to the events of the night of July 14, 1881, Brushy said that a man named Billy Barlow was killed by Pat Garrett. Barlow, he said, was partially Mexican, had a beard, looked like the Kid, was a little younger than the Kid, and was possibly related to the Clements family, the cousins of John Wesley Hardin. Brushy also said that he doubted that Billy Barlow was the man's real name. After Barlow was killed, Brushy continued, he fled Fort Sumner. After fleeing Sumner, his story went, he lived in Mexico with a tribe of Yaqui Indians for two years; returned to the U.S. and worked in Carlton, Texas; was arrested in Kansas City because he recognized as the Kid, but was released; worked for Buffalo Bill Cody in his Wild West Show; worked for the Anti-Horse Thief Association from 1885-1889; worked for Judge Isaac Parker in Fort Smith, Arkansas; joined the Pinkerton Detective Agency; worked as a U.S. Marshal investigating train robberies; joined the Rough Riders and went to Cuba; briefly operated his own Wild West Show; fought for Villa and Carranza in the Mexican Revolution; worked as a plainclothes policeman in Gladewater, Texas; married four times; and used a dozen aliases
Did you write that yourself, or did you copy that from someone else? I didn't see a citation at the end. I don't mind if people take excerpts like that from my book, (as long as they credit me), but other authors are more sensitive about people taking such liberties with their work. Also, Roberts was married three times...not four. He was married to Mollie Brown from 1912-1919, to Louticia Ballard from 1925-1944, and to Melinda Allison from 1944 until his death in 1950. A fourth woman often cited as being a former wife of Roberts named Annie wasn't married to Brushy Bill. She was still alive in the early 1980s and was shown pictures of Brushy Bill by researcher Ken Osthimer, and she stated that Brushy Bill wasn't the Oliver Roberts that she was married to. I will cover this in a future video and present all the documents that prove it.
@@brushybret I just remembered what I read from online, so it was just a statement that Brushy Bill was married 4 times. I didn't cite it cause I can't remember which site it was. Now this Annie who was married to Oliver Roberts would've been well over 100 years old if she had been married to the Outlaw Billy the Kid because of the fact that Billy was born in 1859. However, I do believe that Bill Roberts was telling the truth and was in fact the Kid. If we all think about it, it's possible that he lied to his wives and family about his birthdate to keep his identity a secret as he wouldn't want them to be afraid of him
@@ChiefsNation3peat She was born in 1888 and died in 1983. She was married to a man named Oliver P. Roberts, and some researchers and authors have tried to claim that she was married to Brushy Bill Roberts.
@@brushybret Yes I understand that which is why I don't believe that she was married to Brushy Bill. She would've been about 30 years older than Brushy if he was born in 1859 as he claimed. In his interview, he said that he assumed his cousin's identity Oliver Roberts. The other Oliver had a different middle name and he's more than likely the one who was married to Annie. I just have a big feeling that there's some kind of connection between the two. Did you even know that Billy the Kid had a brother? Legend has it that Pat Garrett may have killed Billy Barlow instead of Billy so he was able to sneak out of the night and lived a new life in Hico, Texas. There's even professional photo analysts who claims that Brushy Bill matches with Billy the Kid. I guess my real question is, who was Joe Hines? He obviously knew Billy was living a new life as Brushy Bill. Maybe he's Jesse's brother Frank, or just a close acquaintance of Billy the Kid
@@pendragonU Not necessarily cause of the fact that Brushy’s niece claimed that he was born in 1879 according to their family bible, so it's possible that he lied to his family so they wouldn't think that he was Billy the Kid. He actually did tell his wife that Billy the Kid was his brother, so it makes sense why he did that so they wouldn't fear him
can you explain if Brushy was not Billy, then how did Brushy know details in regards to places...people....details of the letters billy wrote....and among other details not known to many in the 1950s with out internet and such. How would he know details of the letters of billy to wallace. I doubt Billy the kid emailed them to everybody. Only if he was there at that time and places would he know specific details on the settings and things that was happening not know to many.
He may have rode with Billy.
Newspaper
@@ticket2space621 news papers did not that info.. not even historians new certain info brushy told that was later proven to be true....
@@ronniehenwood8580 with no wifi or internet its hard to believe that this man had access to libraries and knowledge that historians did not know
I see a very striking resemblance to William h Bonnie in that picture right there especially with the shoulders in the arms slung low with the shoulders drooping down like they do. Only I thought William h Bonnie was a little shorter than that
@@brushybret My email is ianmeadows97@yahoo.com. I look forward to hearing from you.
Billy was allegedly killed before he turned 21, a lot of men continue to grow until 23 - 24. Both of my son's did.
i dont think we will ever know, either billy died that night by pat garrett or he didnt
In my opinion,, it don't take a rocket scientist to figure out he was the real billy the kid.... After everything blew over and the world thought he was killed in fact he wasn't , He got a second chance in life and lived low key..... GOOD FOR YOU BILLY!! He deserved it....
MY GREAT UNCLE WAS FRIENDS WITH BILLY THE KID BILLY LIVED TO BE 91
My 3 grate unckl is billy and yes he faked his death and yes he lived to be close to 100
@@terrysmith7956 yes he lived til he was 91 my friend
@@terrysmith7956 I hope that is true.. I hope Pat Garret saw how he was betrayed by the Governor .hopefully he helped him fake his death. It's a pleasant thought to know he ..hopefully lived a long full peaceful life.
@@Beartracks777 pat did help him
This guy is Not BTK.
My ol papa said brushy bill was crazy as hell. btw I knew Bob Hefner well. He was hook line and sinker all in on ol brushy. Great folk lore and money maker via tourist back home in Hico.
Im seeing lot's of comments about height. It is very common form to continue growing untill 24 years old. Both of my sons are over 6 feet and where not at 18, not even close. How old was Billy when he allegedly was killed?
Billy the Kid was approximately 21 and was said to be 5'8 tall when the shooting in Ft. Sumner occurred. According to his doctor and the man who prepared his body for burial, Brushy Bill Roberts, was also 5'8.
He got shot at 21 apparently
The real Bill was around 5'7 or 5'8 think of Tom Cruise "tall" which for the XiX century was more of the average for Caucasians than Today's average which is near 5'10 ft. Consider that American natives were taller and a particular tribe, the Comanche were among the tallest in the planet with an average of 5'11 feet, which is even taller than Today's and closer to the average in modern Denmark.
But given the nourishment, which in critical years of growing the McCarty boys were neglected, orphaned the may have stunted some from the full growth they should have had. However for someone that in his max growth was about 5'8 ft it means he should have lost 2-3 inches of height by his 60's and definitely by his 90's and his height at death should have been 5'6 ft or less. Much noticeable to don't even confuse them just by eyesight and less by standard measurement ....think of Elijah Wood -Frodo or the Harry Potter pixie guy.
This Billy "the Brushed" was not the real Mac
Thanks for putting the truth out there... true history has been hidden so many times .
Why does no one talk about John Miller? I did find alittle on him and it's worth a read, and he looks alot like the tin type.
I try and stay open-minded about all things Kid related. With that said, my biggest problem with the Miller claim is that unlike Brushy Bill Roberts, Miller's claim relies almost entirely on statements made by others. While Roberts sat down with William V. Morrison and told his life story, he also kept a journal and collected letters and notarized affidavits to support his claims. Unfortunately, Miller didn't do any of that.
@@brushybret I also looked into Millers claim and he looks more like Billy then Roberts does .A lawyer said he had a trunk belonging to Miller and in that trunk were contents that proved Miller was really the Kid .But the trunk has disappeared .Has anyone ever looked for this trunk ?
@@michaelwhite3488 Like I said before, I try and stay open-minded to all possibilities. However, we just don't have anything concrete to support Miller's claim. Yes, I've heard about this purported trunk...but no one has been able to verify its existence. It would be awesome if it turned up. As far as Roberts and the Kid's physical similarities, I respectfully disagree that Miller looks more like him. Remember, at least 5 people who knew the Kid from his days in New Mexico stated that Roberts not only looked like Billy but was in fact him (Severo Gallegos, Jose Montoya, Martile Ables, William Campbell, and Jim McDaniels). Also, the Kaya Kobayashi Facial recognition study conducted by the University of Texas-Austin also concluded that Roberts and the Dedrick-Upham Tintype were a statistical match (source The Trial of Billy the Kid by Judge Bob Hefner).
I agree with you Shawn, he had facial recognition done as well. He owned alittle hole in the wall ranch which bordered the Indian rez. Had a Mexican wife, raised a adopted Indian kid and kept his mouth shut. Moved to Buckeye Ariz after his wife died and was in bad health, later passing away in Prescott, Ariz. His kid was a believer and said they always traveled at night to town.
Billy the Kid spoke fluent Gaelic, Spanish & English.
I’ve read several places he could speak Gaelic as well.
There’s evidence Billy the kid was not as educated as legend says . I’ve heard compelling evidence that Brushy Bill was really Billy the Kid. I’ve also heard compelling and contradicting evidence he was not . It’s an interesting story. Records back then were not very good and legends are not accurate . So I don’t believe anyone know for sure.
Yeah he could speak Gaelic because his mother was from Ireland 🇮🇪
Brushy was definitely Billy the kid.
I believe he was too
I used to speak Spanish 25 years ago when I was married to a Peruvian. But after 25 years I’ve forgotten most of it. If you don’t use it you lose it.. that’s the truth.
My Grandfather, ME being 57 told me stories all the time of those days. I was born and raised in San Bernardino county. Grandpa told me lote od stories as I was scared of the dark. He told me stories to put me to sleep as we shared the same room. Not going into detail, Pat Garrett did not kill Billiy
Has anyone ever questioned brushy Bill Roberts regarding what really happened on the night that Pat Garrett claims he shot him? I would also like to know that if Billy The kid did survive where did he go in the ensuing years after he was allegedly killed?
Yes, he gave a detailed account of what happened that night. I will be making a video about this in the future. Thanks for watching.
@@brushybret I'm looking forward to seeing more great work from you. Thanks!
@@thomasandrews8033 Thomas...look up unsolved mysteries Billy the kid...its a good source on what happend with Brushy Bill that night and his story. you must watch it and you should have a good Idea.
There was another boy whose name was Billy, so the Billy the Kid ask him to go see what Pat is doing in the room where Pat was, then that Billy may have walk in and Pat shot him, if Pat see this boy on the floor, then he would know that was not Billy the KId, even he had told everyone he shot Billy the Kid, but that was make it up. He does not want anyone and the law know that Billy the Kid is alive. There are several story on what happened, but nothing had solve the truth.
Brushy Bill's transcript of the formerly thought lost audio tapes in a book by W.C. Jameson gives shocking detail about what happened that night. Billy Barlow was a half mexican young man close in age to Billy who was his friend and it is said he could pass for Billy the Kid in a dark environment. I personally believe Brushy told the truth especially since a later found newspaper report about the killing stated that "Billy's" body was disguised to look mexican and had a dark full beard, which so happens it is said that description fits Billy Barlow. Also if Billy the Kid was killed then why were 2 more warrants for his arrest issued, one in 1882 I believe and again in 1885?? Also there was a point years later in another state where Brushy was arrested for being Billy the Kid but his friends got the law to release him by convincing them he was not Billy the Kid at that time. I admit it will probably always be a mystery due to there not being more available evidence so far, but how in the world did Brushy know stuff about Lincoln that most historians didn't even know until many years later? I personally believe Brushy was in fact the real and only Billy the Kid. But that's my opinion based on the research I've been able to do so far.
Yup a friend doesn’t shoot a friend in the back. He’d let him slip back to Mexico. And live out his life.
How tall was brushy bill Robert’s ? He looks tall in the picture.
He was 5'8'. I made a video where I discuss his physical similarities to Billy the Kid and the results of the facial recognition study conducted by the University of Texas - Austin. ruclips.net/video/Y8KpyQTdBfk/видео.html
@@brushybret The man in the picture with Brushy Bill must have been really short- about 5'4 it looks like.
@@MsMollah That's William V. Morrison, and yes, he was short. Thanks for watching.
@@brushybret Thanks for your reply. Fascinating subject. My mom grew up not far from Hico in a tiny place called Desdemona.
if he was a kid and friends with spanish people of course he speak Spanish when you young and smart you learn in short period
Billy was able to converse in the Irish (Gaeilge) language with the many poor Irish Catholic arrivals who couldn’t speak English.
He was Bullyvthe kid, and he knew Jesse James who also lived. So did Butch Cassidy.
I heard that he used to refer to his girlfriend's as his rucas .
He was betrayed by the Governor. I hope his death was truly faked an tht he lived a long happy life.
How tall was Billy And Brushy? Shoe size? I mean is this hard?
Billy the Kid was said to be 5'8 tall. According to his doctor and the man who prepared his body for burial, Brushy Bill Roberts, was also 5'8. Billy the Kid's shoe size was never recorded.
They were the same
Pat Garrett did not kill Billy the Kid they were best friends and as much time as he spent in Mexico Common Sense would tell you that he could speak Spanish
what i would like to know is if brushy bill was right or left handed. in 1950 they thought Billy was left handed because of the reverse negative photo. but now we know he was right handed as Billy wore his pistol on his right hip and his rifle in his right hand,,,,,,,,,,,
Brushy Bill Roberts was ambidextrous. At the meeting with Governor Mabry, reporters noted that Roberts used his right hand to write.
Yes he did speak it and fluently like me scary
Yes billy the kid spoke Spanish
Well ive noticed alot of wild west storys have alot to do with texas and alot of texans can speak spanish so i would say yes
At that time period not that many Texans spoke Spanish unless they were in a town near the border of Mexico.
@@MsMollah True alot of whites could speak Spanish in towns out towards El Paso Texas and also San Antonio all the way down to the valley of Texas
Cool
is there any way that brushy bill made everything up and Morrison wanted this guy to be billy the kid that it was orchestrated by them selfs. Could Brushy Bill have read many books about billy the kid to know many of the information that he told Morrison?
I investigated this possibility and found it to be highly unlikely. Morrison was a well respected researcher. He worked with several well known historians like Phil Rasch, Charles Sonnichsen, Robert Mullin, E.B. Mann, etc., who all vouched for his credibility. Even those that disagreed with his opinion on Roberts never questioned his integrity. Even Leon Metz, who was Morrison's neighbor, said he believed Morrison really did believe Roberts was the Kid. Some things Roberts told Morrison wasn't known at the time, and some things Roberts said were to the contrary as to what historians believed about Billy at the time...and were later proven correct. I will be discussing this in an upcoming video.
@@brushybret thanks for the reply and thats one of the many questions upon reading the books. another is then why and for what reason would Pat Garret make a book knowing that it was not billy the kid he shot or if he indeed shot anybody that night. Why make a book knowing that the main person is still alive? makes no sense that he makes a book and that Billy might ever come back or anybody seeing him again. Many say they were friends but Billy was in jail for weeks awaiting trail then broke free. If Pat and Billy were tight friends wouldnt Pat release him at that time and not hunt him down. Also why on earth would Billy ever stay at Fort Sumner three months after he escaped. I think anybody who is on the run and hunted for murder would leave the territory. not mention that people knew that Billy ventured there before. I mean its only 139 miles away and still stay there knowing the law is after him. That night makes no sense in Pats Book. 2 deputies out side and billy sees them and well we knowwhat happens next. Why eould anybody on the run be not scared st night especialy seeing people outside petes place that he does not know go in. Anybody would be skeptical and looking over his shoulder all the time. Somthing is fishy in everything here. so many questions here in Pats book seem no to make sense. why would Pat help Billy escape ehrn he did nothing when he was in jail in Lincoln. Why write a book knowing Billy is alive and risk anybody saying Billy is not dead. Why state in the book that Poe states Billy would not go into the room and that oat shot the wrong man. Why state that. Pat did not get the reward money until weeks or months later due to many people did not believe him. Why make a book. Why would Billy stay in a well known area and risk being shot and hunted. Was it because of a woman?????? its puzzleing to think that he would risk getting caught by trackers, the law, army, Pat and others. I get that Brushy stated things not yet known by historians. Just that some of the things in Morisons Book and Edwards book about Billy has some things almost exactly like first hand account...example is in the books mentions Billy writing to the governer and looking at the actual letters well the wording was kind of an exact match in sense. I mean for being that old how would Brushy remember what he exactly wrote to the governer. Is there any way that Brushy have access to Billies letters and tell Morrison about them in detail. Could Brushy read books anf then tell Morrison. also about Billies prominent front teeth. Brushy doesnt seem to have that problem. Most of the time the prominent front teeth make for a real issue over the years. Thanks
Most likely he was Billy
It's sad they missed the chance of meeting the real kid what fools as it's plan too day that Brushy Bill was Billy the kid good day
Wasn’t Billy only 5-7? Brushy looks much taller?
Brushy Bill Roberts was 5-8.
Brett Hall Symmetry looks totally different.
@@ronniebishop2496 According to the UT Austin study which was done using the Kaya Kobayashi facial recognition system, one of the most accurate in existence. A system so reliable that it's been used by law enforcement agencies throughout the world and is admissible in court, Roberts and Billy matched. In the young Roberts photo his facial distances from mid-lip to nose and nose length are exactly the same as the Dedrick -Upham tintype. The chin measurements were also nearly identical with the only significant differences being in the photos of Roberts when he was old and missing teeth. The system assigned a perfect match to the tintype using an MSE (Means Squared Error) of 30 being a perfect match, the photograph of Roberts at age 20 yielded an MSE of 29.3!
Brett Hall The eyes that never change where they set in the head, look wider on Billy and closer to the nose on Brushy, besides how could he just disappear and never contact anyone he knew again especially that señorita he loved, that’s just hard to understand. Did Brushy claim to be Billy and what prompted him to suddenly do that?
Brett Hall I do believe Pat Garret embellished his book to almost straight fiction?
It's new Mexico alot of white people could speak Spanish It's part of the culture of the southwest
The first question I would ask is if Brushy Bill Roberts’ had buck teeth?
He did! In fact, we even found his dentist, a Dr. Cruz from Gladewater, Texas, who removed them.
And the hours Henry McCarty’s body was left on display after his body was prepared for burial? We have literal dozens of accounts from Fort Sumter residents and other reliable witnesses such as John W. Poe, Iginio Garcia and Jesus Silva who not only saw his body, but played an active role in the funeral. McCarty’s death sent a shockwave through the Hispanic community. The collective trauma left a lasting impact on the community. I find it rather disturbing how that is so easily, if not flippantly, ignored.
I'd also like to add that the individuals that corroborated the Garrett version of the shooting usually did so when speaking to non-Hispanic outsiders. However, when speaking to other Hispanics, friends, or family usually told an entirely different version as to what happened that night. I believe the effects of the Horrell War, which preceded the Lincoln County War, cannot be overstated when considering the distrust amongst the Hispanic community at the time of the shooting.
Why didn't they check out bullet wounds ????
They did! Morrison discusses this in his book, Alias Billy the Kid. Also, the man that prepared Roberts' body for burial noted them as well.
@@michaelbeck5764 Who was 6-1? Brushy Bill Roberts was 5-8 the same approximate height Billy the Kid was purported to be. Billy wasn't born in New York or Indiana as no real evidence exists to back up either claim. Several historians have covered this such as John Tuska (Billy the Kid His Life & Legend), Stephen Tatum (Inventing Billy the Kid), Phil Rasch (Trailing Billy the Kid), Robert Mullin (The Boyhood of Billy the Kid), etc.etc. Who died in the 1890s? As far as Billy's wounds go, no, he didn't keep a journal, but we know of wounds he received from the accounts of people like George and Frank Coe and other Lincoln County War participants. Brushy Bill's wounds were documented by Morrison and later by Wayne Rutledge, the man who prepared his body for burial.
I don't know Davey
I believe brushy bill roberts was billy
There was a spirit box session and was alleged billy the kid asked if he was killed no he was brushy bill died of heart attack
Where did you hear that from?
Brushy Bill was not Billy the Kid...They did not have the same jaw line, Bill's eyes are closer together than Billy's and the newly restored photo of Billy, shows that he had a right ear halfway slashed off and the left ear also cut and healed...
Lady you really need to do some research as your batting zero for life in your posts. According to the facial recognition study conducted by the University of Texas which compared the Dedrick-Upham tintype to multiple images of Roberts determined that Roberts and Billy the Kid were a statistical match! This study was done using The Koya-Koybashi Facial Recognition System. This system is used by law enforcement agencies and has been used in US and international courts. The only discrepancy regarding the jaw was in photos of Roberts when he didn't have any teeth. Sources: The Trial of Billy the Kid by Judge Bob Hefner, The Return of the Outlaw Billy the Kid by WC Jameson and Frederic Bean.
By the way this video is about Roberts ability to speak Spanish! Do you have a retort? Try and stay on topic! I will have a video coming up about the University of Texas study.
@@brushybret There is a younger black&white photo of Brushy that also shows the same jaw/chin line that Brushy always had and never matched BTK. I tried to see the match, however I see two different people. Was Brushy also missing teeth in this photo?
I haven't read a single book but only youtube videos on this topic. There is a book by Morrison who represented Brushy. I was wondering if you had any thought on it or which one to read first.
I'm looking forward to the upcomming video in regards to the UoT study. Thanks!
@@Hinnybezoz I'm not sure which photo you are referring, but in many of his later photos he was missing teeth and in some cases had no teeth at all. According to the UT Austin study Roberts and Billy's chin matched. In the young Roberts photo his facial distances from mid-lip to nose and nose length are exactly the same as the Dedrick -Upham tintype. The chin measurements were also nearly identical with the only significant differences being in the photos of Roberts when he was old and missing teeth. The system assigned a perfect match to the tintype using an MSE (Means Squared Error) of 30 being a perfect match, the photograph of Roberts at age 20 yielded an MSE of 29.3!
The Morrison book which I often reference in my book, The Real Billy the Kid AKA Brushy Bill Roberts as well as my RUclips videos, is the book that got me into the whole Brushy Bill - Billy the Kid debate. At one time I was a hard core supporter of maintaining the historical status quo but once I started looking into the Roberts case and started collecting Morrison's papers the more I began to realize all the supposed evidence against Roberts couldn't stand up to even the slightest scrutiny, and it seemed the old man might actually have been telling the truth. Alias Billy the Kid is an awesome book and I highly recommend it. W.C. Jameson's books, The Return of The Outlaw Billy the Kid or Billy the Kid Beyond the Grave are also excellent. If you can find them Judge Bob Hefner's The Trial of Billy The Kid is a great read as well (Note: it was the first to publish the UT-Austin Study results). Also, Dr. Jannay Valdez and Bob Hefner's Billy the Kid: Killed In New Mexico - Died In Texas contains a lot of documents and details vital to Roberts' claim. Dr. William A. Tunstill's Billy the Kid And Me Were The Same is very difficult to find and focuses mainly on Roberts genealogy. Before Dr. Tunstill passed away he gave me his papers and videos and I will be including them in future videos.
The liars were liars even back then Brushy was the kid
buddy Brushy Bill isnt Billy the Kid. its not possible because they dont look the same.
I already did a video debunking this. ruclips.net/video/Y8KpyQTdBfk/видео.html
Billy could speak irish
Who cares. And its Gaelic
@@gitzersmitzer4516 actually it's gaeilge
@@gitzersmitzer4516 it's Irish or Gaeilge. It is not 'Gaelic'
at an advanced age he was 5'8. I'm sure he was at least 5'10 in his prime
What are you basing this on? Do you have a source on that?
@@brushybret The guy that buries him said he was 5'8. He lived till his early 90's. You shrink with age, especially pushing 100 years old
@@TrumpDesantis-zm3kg With that logic, Billy the Kid in 1881 at the approximate age of 21 was 5'8'. People can continue to grow until around age 30. This is a ridiculous argument. By the way, not everyone shrinks with age and when one does, unless they have osteoporosis the level of shrinkage is usually less than an inch. Source: www.webmd.com/healthy-aging/how-much-do-you-shrink-as-you-age#1
Billy the Kid hasn't spoken a word since July 14, 1981, the day he was shot to death by Pat Garrett.
I think ur date is way off
@@JamesJohnson-kn8hc You're right...it's 1881! Thanks.
Bill Roberts looks nothing like billy the kid, in my eyes there is zero resemblance, I don't believe pat Garrett killed billy but I also don't believe bill Roberts is the kid
The University of Texas-Austin did a facial recognition study, which showed Roberts and the famous Dedrick-Upham tintype of Billy the Kid to be a statistical match. Source: The Trial of Billy the Kid by Judge Bobby Hefner. Also, multiple individuals who knew Billy the Kid from his days in New Mexico also identified him as being Billy the Kid.
its possible he could of just forgot specially being on the run and making a new life for himself he was a wanted man if they found him they would of killed him. my granddad is bulgarian but hes lived in the uk since he was 18 hes in his 90s now he came here not knowing a single word of english as time went on he learned english the more he learned english and to speak it fluently the more he forgot his first language over the years living here lost his accent too if you spoke to him you would think he was born and raised in the uk hes got a standard london accent he still knows a few bits here and there but his first language has been lost if he ever went back to bulgaria he would be a foreigner just like you and me and wouldnt have a clue what was going on.
now how that works
But your evidence is anecdotal and sometimes 2nd and 3rd hand, it is highly reliant upon stories passed down . How about finding somebody that spoke with him in Spanish. There are far too many ifs , buts and maybes on both sides of the argument. Did anybody actually see Bills teeth , Billy had prominent front teeth which stood out if seen..
Morrison, Sonnichsen, Ola Everhard, and Severo Gallegos all either conversed with or witnessed Roberts speaking Spanish. My next video addresses the teeth. Thanks for watching.
Trouble w Brushy, his own family contradicted him and proved that brushy was not 90yrs old, but in his 70s which made it impossible for him to be Billy the kid
The 1879 birth has been completely debunked. We have proof that Roberts worked in the mid 1880s to mid 1890s. We have records that he worked for the Anti-Horse-Thief- Association and at Ft. Smith Arkansas this is verified by the following: James R. Smith, Chief Deputy Marshal, Western District of Arkansas, Fort Smith Arkansas letter dated April 23, 1981, to Dr. William A. Tunstill and Jo Ann Kryal, Fort Smith National Historic Site letter dated March 14, 1983, to Dr. William A. Tunstill. Letter dated May 13, 1951, from Hodge Bailey, Secretary of The Anti-Thief- Association to William V. Morrison and letter dated May 14, 1951, from James Westfahl, Secretary of The Anti-Thief-Association, West Oklahoma Division to William V. Morrison. Also, in an interview dated November 30, 1949, from Jim Copeland of the Pinkerton Detective Agency to William V. Morrison, Copeland says that he worked with Roberts in 1888 to 1889 tracking horse thieves along the Red River from Texas to the Indian Territory (Oklahoma). These are just a few, and will include several others in my upcoming video debunking the 1879 birth claim. As far as his family not believing him goes, I have affidavits from more than 10 relatives of Brushy Bill that state they believe him to be Billy the Kid. Only a very vocal minority don't believe his claim.
Of course it was him
What about his son telesfor
Unfortunately, the only way we could ever know for sure if he was the true son of Billy the Kid would be through DNA testing. Most Kid historians dismiss him as being Billy's son due to the fact that Telesfor José Jaramillo was born in Fort Sumner on June 7, 1895-14 years after the Kid’s purported death and was the 3rd child to Paulita and José Jaramillo who were married on January 14, 1883. The first of their three children, Adelina, was born in January 1884, Luz their 2nd was born in November 1890.
wasn't his girlfriend mexican and he was from southwest bro he spoke spanish
Who cares? Gaelic???
Billy The "Kid" was only 5-4'' or 5-5'' tall... Little guy.
He was actually 5'8
So its true???lol
The guys 90 and looks tall, at 21 he was without a doubt over 6 foot tall. Billy the kid was only 5'8
According to both his Doctor and the man that prepared his body for burial, Brushy Bill Roberts was 5'8. He only looks tall standing next to Morrison, who was short.
@@ronniehenwood8580 I already did a video on this and unlike your comment, I list source citations. Thanks for watching. ruclips.net/video/Y8KpyQTdBfk/видео.html
@@ronniehenwood8580 With all due respect, you seem completely ignorant of the arguments against your side's positions. What books have you read that support Roberts' claim? Or have you arrived at a conclusion with only half of the argument? That is like watching a trial and the jury deliberating after the prosecution rests its case. All the supposed evidence against Roberts being the Kid is completely unfounded and lacks any supporting evidence, as proven in my videos. I've been researching Roberts' case for more than 30 years, and I've served as archivist for 2 museums. Furthermore, I'm completely aware of all the arguments from your side, and they are all complete and total fabrications. That is why your side never cites sources...because they don't exist! For instance, you claim Roberts wasn't 5'8' let's start with that... please cite your source! Roberts' doctor W. F. Hafer stated he was 5'8 as did the man who prepared his body for burial, Wayne Rutledge source: Billy the Kid & Me were The Same by William A. Tunstill. Both William V. Morrison and Charles Sonnichsen confirmed Roberts' height in Alias Billy the Kid by Morrison & Sonnichsen. Okay, it's your turn.
@@ronniehenwood8580 You speak of truth, yet you have admitted to knowing very little of Roberts' claim. If Gale Cooper is your sole source, then that explains a lot. I have all of her books, and about 130 other Billy the Kid & Lincoln County War books, and even seen her videos. I don't agree with her, but a serious researcher examines all the evidence before arriving at a conclusion. You say you're not interested in debating every specific detail of Roberts' claim, but that is precisely the point! How else is one to arrive at the proper conclusion without examining all the available evidence? Everything you stated about Roberts is patently false. In my video on physical similarities, I go over every single one of your claims. Once again, you make a lot of claims but fail to cite a specific source. With regard to Roberts' height, you've demonstrated absolutely no evidence to support your claim that he was taller than 5'8' other than your own baseless opinion. Do you think his doctor and the caretaker were lying when they stated his height to Dr. Tunstill? With regard to his hands and wrists this is discussed in Alias Billy the Kid by Morrison and Sonnichsen and Roberts was even able to demonstrate how he was able to free himself from handcuffs...because he had small hands and large wrists...just like Billy the Kid. His eyes were not brown, and I have no idea where you got that from. Every single person who knew Roberts stated that his eyes were the same as Billy's eyes were said to be. Severo Gallegos, who knew Billy the Kid during his days in New Mexico, met Roberts and verified that he was Billy the Kid and noted how Billy had such unique eyes and that Roberts possessed the same eyes as Billy. As far as his facial similarities go: The University of Texas - Austin did a facial recognition study on Brushy Bill and the Dedrick-Upham Tintype and determined the two men to be a match. The facial recognition study was conducted by 2 PhD scientist who used an internationally recognized facial recognition system that was peer reviewed in 2 scientific journals. They were not historians and had no interest in the Billy the Kid / Brushy Bill Roberts debate... They were completely impartial. I, too, was a longtime member of The Billy the Kid Outlaw Gang. I always enjoyed discussing Billy the Kid and Lincoln County War history with Ron Hadley, Doc Sproull, Jannay Valdez, and many others, I used to love going to the annual campout in Ruidoso. Believe it or not, I was once like you and believed the traditional account however, if you actually research it you'll find that absolutely none of the supposed evidence against Brushy Bill actually exists. I've made detailed videos on each claim and show the documents and evidence to support my contentions. As far as Gale Cooper goes, if she is so interested in the truth, then why when they tried to exhume the body at Ft. Sumner for DNA testing she fought Steve Sederwall and Tom Sullivan every step of the way? Unfortunately, for some people, being right is more important than getting it right. And that's just sad and unfortunate. Here is a link to my video that I discuss the physical similarities: ruclips.net/video/Y8KpyQTdBfk/видео.html Here is a link where I debunk the claim that Roberts was illiterate ruclips.net/video/4m8H-TwLbFo/видео.html Here is link where I debunk the claim that Roberts claimed to be a member of the James Gang: ruclips.net/video/lQYrXql6dCc/видео.html Here is a link where debunk the claim that Roberts was born in 1879 and not old enough to be Billy the Kid: ruclips.net/video/EK9oRxqmee0/видео.html
Just have to find out how tall William V. Morrison was.
Looking at the picture of well known picture if William Bonney and this photo of Brushy Bill Roberts I can't see how anyone can say they are the same person. I don't care if Brushy Bill could speak Spanish or not. Anyone living around Spanish speaking people will pick it up. William Bonney's body and structure doesn't look physically fit. He has an awkward body. William Bonney has a homely face. Now if you look at Brushy Bill he has a more healthy looking body. His face looks not as homely. The way anyone can say that Brush Bill is William Bonney is that they wish it to be so.
This will be the subject of my next video. Thanks for watching.
The tin type of Billy the kid always reminded me of a young guy who was out drinking the night before and had a h*ll of a hangover. There is one other picture that has been verified as billy the kid. He doesn't look like the tin type.
Ancestors of pat ,,, pat never killed billy there were three men the room pat billy and another guy , billy and the other guy were in the room when pat snuck up the third guy was hiding when billy and pat were taking they saw the hotter guy and pat told billy to leave as soon as he left pat shot the other teenager , he couldn’t shoot the teenager while billy was there billy would of killed him so pat for him to leave then shot him and claimed he shot billy
Rubbish
@@danielblackburn1241 so what really happened ??
They barried billy the next day if i remember the story told. Didnt they always display corpses for photo ops? Garrett did not kill billy
@@stevenb9913 billy lived on and died of old age
@@stevenb9913 That is what I thought too. Also the people who were working on the ranch said that wasn't Billy.
It does not matter if Brushy Bill spoke Spanish or not. He is 110% not Billy the Kid… The photographs are not even remotely close. Totally different eye spacing/shape. Nose, cheek bones ect. I can’t believe people are entertaining this as possibly true…😂😂😂
The University of Texas - Austin facial recognition study that declared Roberts and Billy the Kid to be a match was conducted by 2 PhD scientist who used an internationally recognized facial recognition system that was peer reviewed in 2 scientific journals and further confirmed by two independent arbiters. They were not historians and had no interest in the Billy the Kid / Brushy Bill Roberts debate... They were completely impartial. Furthermore, multiple individuals who knew Billy the Kid during his Lincoln County War days confirmed Roberts was the Kid. Thanks for watching. 🖐🎤
I can believe Billy was not killed by Garret, but I do not believe Brushy Bill was the kid - it’s taken me a lot of research to make that statement
What are some of the reasons that lead you to that conclusion?
One could read and write, one could not...case closed
I already debunked this... case reopened! ruclips.net/video/4m8H-TwLbFo/видео.html
Roberts was NOT illiterate and was actually quite intelligent. He spoke perfect Spanish.
I,personally dont know if brushy bill was BTK but i think there should be DNA done...im sure it cant be done against him and his family members who are still alive..im sure the roberts family would do it for there are many of them who say brushy had mental issues and was not Billy the kid
We actually tried to do DNA testing a few years ago. The plan was to exhume Brushy Bill, Catherine Antrim, and the body buried in Ft. Sumner. However, we were fought every step of the way by the powers that be...this is well documented and is detailed in Steve Sederwall's book, the Dirty on Billy the Kid. With regard to Brushy's relatives thinking he was crazy, that really isn't true. I have affidavits signed by about a dozen relatives who believe he was the real Billy the Kid. Only a vocal minority think otherwise. And keep in mind, we're talking about 2 very distant cousins here, one of which never met him and the other was a small child when Roberts died.
Billy the Kid was killed by Garret as reported!
What makes you think that, specifically? Thanks for watching.
uh ..... how to say, if he can't speak Spanish, while the "Kid" knew how to speak it "and fluently anyway" it's that he's all just a hell of a liar! And I will add shame to him from his very grave!
This is not BTK. The ears don`t match. Can`t change that.
I already did a video debunking this: ruclips.net/video/Y8KpyQTdBfk/видео.html
He is NOT the real Billy The Kid!! Show some Respect. And Stop with the Lies!! Enough already!!
What lies have I told? And please cite your sources. I show you the evidence for every claim that I make. I'm sorry if the facts hurt your feelings.
@@brushybret who knows
Hey guys, hate to be the bearer of bad news...census info from 1880 shows Bill Roberts was born in 1879. No need to search for the unicorn here.
I already did a video debunking this using census, marriage, employment, personal, and genealogical records to debunk this. No 1880 census exists which states that William Henry Roberts was born in 1879. I actually show the true census record in the first minute or so of the video.ruclips.net/video/EK9oRxqmee0/видео.html
brushy bill was younger than billy
I already debunked this: ruclips.net/video/EK9oRxqmee0/видео.html
@@brushybret you didn't debunk anything...that's just your ego talking. Census info from 1880 proves brushy Bill was a liar. Bill Roberts was 1year old in 1880. But go on ...
@@brianbreining8816 Yeah, I guess newspaper articles, census, marriage, employment, genealogical and personal records don't mean anything compared to your nonexistent census record that only exists in imagination land. No 1880 census record exists that lists William Henry Roberts as being 1 year old in 1880. I already did a video on this and show the census record in the first minute or so in the video. ruclips.net/video/EK9oRxqmee0/видео.html
A MAJOR problem with Brushy was he was born in 1879, so he was a tad bit young to be Billy the Kid.
I already did a video debunking this using census, employment, and genealogy records. Thanks for watching: ruclips.net/video/EK9oRxqmee0/видео.html
brushy bill was 10-yrs younger that billy the kid, so he would have been 11-yrs old when they say he was shot.
I already made a video debunking this: ruclips.net/video/EK9oRxqmee0/видео.html
Billy knew some words but I dout he could speak it fluently
i read in one of the news articles from the time billy was on the run, at 19 yrs he was 5'3 and weighed 125 pounds. he slipped through prison bars and climbed up a chimney. look how tall this guy is. 4:24
Brushy Bill Roberts was 5'8' as was Billy the Kid. Billy the Kid was interviewed by J.H. Koogler of the Las Vegas Gazette following his arrest by Pat Garrett at Stinking Springs, who described Billy as being between 5'7 and 5'8'. I already did a video discussing this, thanks for watching. ruclips.net/video/Y8KpyQTdBfk/видео.html
@@brushybret lol no. he was 5'3
@@tyj9175 Source citation please.
He looks nothing like the known pictures of the Kid.
I already did a video debunking this claim. Thanks for watching. ruclips.net/video/Y8KpyQTdBfk/видео.html