COD Influencer's Stupidest New Buzzword - "Traditional COD"
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Having to deal with nostalgia driven CoD fans on twitter with no opinion of their own is ANNOYING ASF, so I feel you bro. Some of these kids didn't even play "traditional" call of duties lmao
You must be a kid yourself if you think these newer cods are so damn good
@@simonjeremy1776 definitely not a kid, but I am younger, which has nothing to do with it tbh. I’ve played almost every CoD from the first MW game except BOIIII. MW2019 and MWII are my favorite cods by far, if you’d trade the mechanics, and features we have now for no movement, no attachments, no uniqueness at all really, then that’s your choice, but I’d stick with these games any day of the week.
@@Azahoward25 I'm in the same ballpark as you. I started on Black Ops and MW2 but I can easily say that 2019 and MWII are my favorite CODs so far. I love the additional movement mechanics and gunsmith system. I never liked the old perks or weapons in classic MW2. Black Ops was only _slightly_ better. Ghosts has the best perk system and there is some merit with Black Ops II's pick-ten system, but the movement and gunplay in MW2019 and MWII are definitely a step up in quality over older games.
Don't even get me started on how stupidly OP perks like Stopping Power and Ninja were or how the Intervention in MW2 and ACR in MW3 were the only sniper and assault rifle everyone used. So bland and boring
@@alexfrost2799 agree on literally all points there, a man of culture over here.
@@alexfrost2799 MW2 is still my favorite CoD. I used to play it regularly up until I picked up 19 during S1 and the gunsmith and movement is just so much better. It felt like a natural progression to where the early Golden era CoDs were headed. Plus they just bring some really interesting guns to the table you'd never see in the "traditional" CoDs, like the Oden, MG34, the full auto Deagle etc.
It's so moronic - being aggressive is by far, THE most successful way to play MW2, MW2019 - EVERY CoD game. I really hate the people who are wanting CoD to play like Quake fucking arena... bunny hopping, slide cancelling, sidestepping as if you have NO mass. It just looks SO bad.
Mw19s "aggression" is very far an in between the aggression from mw3. For example stalker pro made you be able to viably push a corner with just strafe speed alone. Mw19 the viable method was shitty ass slide canceling. The movement speeds were nerfed so that in theory you could obtain mw3 speeds from the gunsmith (even with the gunsmith the guns were still not as fast without some trade offs of course for balance) Plus the difference in game design like in mw19 the mini map not having red dots making the pace a little slower. I'm not saying older cods were perfect at all I ofc pick and choose what gameplay mechanic or design I think is "good" but the games as a whole are entirely different most of the time.
CoD community in a nutshell... Ask for things then get mad when they get them🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
Give me an example. Genuinely didn't ask for sliding to get nerfed but it did🤷 was pretty upset about it. Not slide canceling just regular sliding is literally useless.
Example. Let's take a step back to 2017. The cod community is sick of exo cod games. They want boots on the ground back and they would like another ww2 game. They give us another ww2 game, and the community hates it. Another example, the community hates supply drops, the mw2019 gives us the battlepass system and the store system, bow I have seen people asking for supply drops back. You just can't satisfy this community. And what I have seen throughout the cod community, the reaction to nerfing slide canceling is mostly positive
@@itsmepoised I don't like slide canceling but it's not what I was talking about. Sliding as a WHOLE got nerfed to the ground. It doesn't even need to exist as a movement mechanic because it has no benefits. The reason most people hated WW2 in the beginning was the executive devs were terrible and left the company the game was trying to be 'realistic" and had unnecessary additions like the division system that got overhauled because nobody liked it. The realism ruined the art design a lot as Chrome camo was not even worth any of the grind it was boring, dull, and looked like shit if you didn't have a heroic variant from supply drops. There is no winning for the cod community but there are objective reasons why WW2 was hated and underperformed. I remember back then I wanted boots on the ground not a wannabe ww2 sim.
@@shadowtitan8545 I agree for the most part. However what really gets me pissed about the cod community right now is how they did nothing but shit on the exo cod games and Infinite Warfare in general and asked for a modern war shooter again. And now they are wanting exo games again even though they did nothing but shit on them. Like they just cant decide lol. I personally would not mind another exo game cause I did not mind them in the first place.
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CoD players asked for complex maps during BO4’s lifecycle . They pointed their fingers at the OG MW2 and said “that’s what we want”. MW2019 shows up and people don’t want complex maps anymore even though they got exactly what they wanted.
It’s just the cod cycle. Nobody really knows what they want.
People saying black ops 4 was traditional,akes me chuckle! First cod I believe which had manual healing, 150 health, dual specialist weapons, or abilities, fog of war within the mini map. Lol...😂
The worst buzz words is “skill gap”
Lmao if you want skill gap play literally any other fps. COD is bottom of the barrel if you want to be “skillful”
@John34bruh That's why it boasts one of the largest eSport scenes of any multiplayer game, ever.
I get it's cool to dunk on CoD, but this is silly.
@@quietresolution4772 lmao it’s cuz cod is one of those most popular franchises ever, regardless of skill. Make it make sense bro
I beat this elden ring boss I was stuck on for weeks ❤
My god, he's alive.
It's like what I always say every single year. The same community which is the COD community who's shitting on BO4 now the same group of people who are saying it's a good game. Hypocrisy to the next level.
2007 - 2014 (Cod4 to Black Ops 2 ) are highly considered the "Golden Era" of cod. These game's mechanics are sometimes referred to as "traditional" because these 6 games set many of the standards for the series going forward. The games themselves were innovative and different but the core gameplay loop and progression system managed to stay consistent such as prestige mode.
Yes, but the problem is people LARGELY ignore the reality of playing those games. They were camping heavy, slow and so much more. Also, sniper rifles weren't nearly as OP as an indirect result of new weapon mechanics which is one of my major gripes about "modern" CoD.
I would argue that by MW3, they weren't really that innovative. The original IW guys said part of the reason that they left the studio was because, and I quote, "Too much same pew-pew, not enough new new."
@@talkingtoaschizophrenic1171 MW3 was still pretty innovative, it wasn't leaps and bounds like how MW2 basically redefined what was possible in CoD but it honestly brought the most new features to a CoD game out of any title.
@@talkingtoaschizophrenic1171 I found it so ironic when the original IW crew left Activision because it was history repeating itself for them. They were the original makers of Medal of Honor Allied Assault and left EA because EA didn't want them to innovate, just make the same game over and over again. They then left EA and started IW and we're picked up by Activision and basically endured years of the same thing.
@@scottjs5207 exactly. I think most the cod community never even played those games because I seen one guy claiming bo2 had slide cancelling and how mwii removed it
Also, I seen so many big name cod players call bo4 mini map traditional. Lmao 🤣 that was wild
it was the worst lol
I’d rather that than the MWII mini-map anyday of the week
@@Xpertfusion nah.
@@ChannelRM1 Ok sentinel
@@solomonrodriguez7565 love how people think that’s a insult lol. If you rely so heavily on a mini map bro you suck at game awareness, just admit you need your hand held
I’m glad Boom called out the mw2019 “movement” people. It’s like bro *what* movement ? Is that why 99% of the games couldn’t reach the score limit? That movement? 😂
You can blame the campiness on map design, dark lighting, and ttk. The actual movement of modern warfare allows is amazing. The only cod I think has better aspects of bootsonground movement is BO4. Mantling in bo4 is super fast. If modern warfare had that. It’d have perfect movement
@@roderickclerk5904 don’t forget the Godzilla footsteps contributing to the camping. It’s just all around *designed* for camping whether we like it or not
The most insidious buzzword that just will not die is "arcade shooter." People really try to justify their preferred mechanics or map design by saying COD is an "arcade shooter." I *hate* it. COD players have as many definitions for "arcade shooter" as they do "campers."
BECAUSE COD WAS AN ARCADE SHOOTER
Yep, while CoD is indeed an arcade shooter. People don’t ask themselves “how much is CoD an arcade shooter” and “in what ways is CoD an arcade shooter”.
Despite popular belief. CoD is not a pure arcade shooter. Or at least it was at one point. Now it’s 100% arcade shooter and I’d say the games are worse because of it.
I would argue the stupidest buzzword is "experience" to refer to just...game modes. It just sort of sprung up at of nowhere and somehow every single influencer started using it at the same time. The "6v6 experience" vs "the 10v10 experience" and "Ground War experience." They are just game modes god damn.
Ah man bo4 is such garbage. Can’t believe someone would argue it being better
I personally just don't enjoy the modern movement systems. Everyone complains about how slow the game is but it's way too fucking fast for me. Before it got shutdown I'd still visit xlabs mw2 classic everyone once in a while and had fun. I just dislike the new game where all people do is tac sprint around like crackheads and jump shot drop shot prefire every corner with a smg so they can exploit the crappy netcode and kill you before they even show up on screen. This basically leads to me camping. I either walk around and get instakilled every time with movement I can't compete with, or I play more angle holdy and camp. This way I can at least shoot back and maybe hit a bullet before they fist me in the ass.
Boom is right, Black Ops 4 is very detached from the other games due to its unique gameplay design. 150 health, specialists, fog of war, etc. But when people mistakingly call it the last "traditional cod" I think what they mean is that it was the last Cod on the old engine, and also the last cod with a seasonal pass system.
Cold War was the last one on the ’old’ engine, not BO4.
@@Deadxet You're wrong
@@JetpacksWasYes2 Nope
@@Deadxet Lmao, you're laughably wrong. In fact. I think we all knew that they are still using the same IW engine that's been used for all cods. The IW engine was just heavily modified once MW (2019) came about. And was used for MWII and will be used for MWIII. They're still modifying that engine with new releases. Black Ops 4 used a modified version of the engine used in 3. Cold war builds off of that engine. So yes. You're very wrong.
@@JetpacksWasYes2 exactly CW used a modified version of the BO4 engine. MW(2019) did not use a modified version of the BO4 engine.
My go to buzzword is "Packet Loss"
Traditional ='s pre 2019 SBMM... that, and that alone..
MW2019 and all games before that really started all with centering every gameplay decision around maximizing microtransactions and profit margin. They don't want a balanced and fun experience, they want the player retention, they want the focus to be on the shopsystem. They cater to this only endgoal. To milk the casual. I hate every form of microtransaction in modern gaming. They are evil and hurtful. MW, MW2 didnt have these stupid systems and they were pure and focused.
I love the perk system in cod ghosts. Easily the best perks in the whole series. Mix a ghosts perk system and mw/bocw gunsmith with bo4/bocw wild card and you get a perfect create a class
4:10 Playing devil's advocate here: MWII arguably has worse movement than MW19, and that game's movement was already a stepdown from BO4's movement. Sliding is still useless, sprint-out times are even slower, and the movement at it's core just feels more sluggish in MWII, which boggles my mind because they added new movement mechanics that improved upon MW19's movement, such as the return of dolphin diving, hanging onto ledges, and the increased mantling distance.
It's good to see someone noticing the echo chamber of Twitter gotta go fast fast fast
Replaying og mw2 was very nostalgic and fun, But it also made me appreciate how far cod has gotten.
The cod burn out has kicked in, all i look forward to in cod is playing zombies in mw3
I don’t get why people clammer for the crazy movement of mw19, I can’t stand it, all we need is mw22 minus the campy bs and time activation of perk system
Few people referring to a traditional COD do not mean COD 4 lol. Like never
Idk what i want from cod but it's not what we're getting tbh i miss jetpacks
Good review of the current situation. For me modern warfare 2019 was the reason i CAME back to COD after call of duty Ghosts. MW goes back to "realistic" guns and maps.
Im a Battlefield playera over the last years and MW did the right thing
Nice to see you moved your studio into a better neighborhood. 😏
A DGD fan knew you had good taste
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Kinda feels like a jab at XclusiveAce... he says traditional cod more than any other youtuber I've heard tbh
Classic IW's map design is the closest thing that I'd say is the traditional map design in Cod. Cod 1, 2, and the original Modern Warfare trilogy had that distinct map design based off of variety and setpieces. Even Treyarch's map design deviated from IW's by basing their maps on a strict three lane rule which I personally feel much harder in the classic Treyarch maps then classic IW maps.
Eh, MW3 was pretty far removed from IW's earlier maps. It wasn't quite as cookie cutter as BO2, but they normally went for a 3X3 approach (3 major lanes and 3 cross lanes). DLC maps were amazing though, but you had to be one of those people who would fork up the cash... Ghosts felt very much like older IW titles but people moaned about it because they were "too big". 3arc is kinda weird though, WaW felt right at home with IW's maps, but then BO1 felt very empty, interesting layouts but mostly empty rooms and corridors... and then BO2 was just straight up 3 lane everything and spawn trapping hell... If you played one map, your pretty much played them all. Took all of a match to learn them.
This games where never that good, and thats that
DGD enjoyer 🤔
That's not even to mention that a lot of these people talking about "Tradition" are likely the same people 5ish years ago that were complaining how ever new CoD game was the same, so they're also fucking hypocrites too.
I just want a cod that caters to all playstyles. Infinity Ward has their audience in focus because catering to them is where the money is at. I don't blame them it just like feels like my playstyle is being shafted by design philosophy not intended for my playstyle to be very viable.
The cod cycle keeps on spinning since waw
Best buzzword was aim assist
4:58 These people should eat...special...brownies so they mellow out (or absolutely get a panic attack cos they said the forbidden phrase: this edible ain't shit)
I always loved the movement mechanics in MW2019... i enjoyed the whole game fr. Its the other players that ruined MW2019 Vanguard and Cold War... MWII is just way too slow mechanically. So now you cant use movement to outplay someone camping their ass off
I don't want "traditional" movement... aside from the fact it was faster... MWII actually is closer to traditional movement mechanics than recent cods... but traditional cod was fast paced arcade style fps games... realistic mil-sim was never part of it... so everyone using "slide canceling isnt realistic" doest even fit traditionally lmfao anyway... i want MWII with Vanguard mechanics fr
My reaction upon seeing that you have "Artificial Selection" as your desktop background
"Ah, I see you too are a man of culture."
the last "Traditional" cod was cold war and probably the last
but people complained about that too
Nah I'd say the majority only complained about how the game was rushed, buggy, not next gen at all, and ugly looking and felt off. However it is the last sort of OG treyarch style cod. Of course with this egregious EOMM.
ahahaha CW was literally nothing like older 3arc games
@@ChewyRibbit besides the perk system and tkk yeah it actually is.
@@shadowtitan8545 I don’t remember Black Ops 1 having unlimited sprint, a consistent jump height, projectiles instead of hitscan, The wacky AF streak system. Etc etc etc
@@mcbonkytron8411 dexterity was a perk where it felt like unlimited sprint. Gunplay and weapon mechanics behave like BO3 and unlimited sprint is from BO3. I forgot to mention the streak system was terrible in cw btw. Red dots on the mini map and the removal of fog of war from bo4. Remastered classic maps from bo2 that play almost the same besides the streak change and unlimited sprint of course. The game plays like boots on the ground bo3 more than bo1 and 2 but still has the older treyarch feel, gameplay design, and gameplay philosophy.
9:21 and the game mode. Grazna HQ and Petrograd Hardpoint were the bomb.
Hell HQ made trash ass Euphrates Bridge actually feel fine.
Traditional is such a traditional word to use
I stopped playing mw2 when it seemed obvious they were nurfing my guns mid match when I'd start going on a rampage. Sbmm didn't bother me too much except when playing with friends.
They probaly didnt
4:20 most ppl complaining only played FFA/TDM and it shows 😂
2:15 is when the uh...."selling out" segment ends 😅😅😅
9:48 how are you gonna go about addressing both MW2s next year? Will you call the original MW2 MW 2009 and the newer one MW 2022 or something?
6:40 What community? CoD is probably the most fragmented community in gaming lmao
The benefits of a tradition in general.
Identity
Values
Strong community
Continuity
“traditional” for call of duty is used highly, because the formula for the original games was either never touched or shifted in a direction where the community would show backlash. things like dots on the minimap, 3 lane maps, original (and balanced) perk system, weapons that defined certain playstyles and were tuned to accommodate its usefulness, and killstreaks that were used to fulfill that playstyle. in my opinion, the “pick 10” system and scorestreaks were innovative because you can still define your playstyle and further customize your class to achieve that playstyle you desire while still maintaining fairness in restrictions. in the last maybe 5+ years, call of duty has pushed away this “traditional feel” and further catered to innovation that 1: is not balanced and the games feel sluggish and 2: has severed most potential of the games by protecting and in fact making the games towards newer players to make reasonable income and push forward concepts and ideas that dont make call of duty, “call of duty.”
L take
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6:01 nah make a video instead on how XDefiant shouldn't be praised.
One way shields? Unbalanced specialists? A certain faction having near instant health regen?
Don't you feel like the devs (who have a lot of experience with multiplayer shooters) released the beta like that on purpose when they know full well those changes won't be well recieved so they can pretend they're listening buy "fixing" obvious bad design decisions? 😅
Cod ain't any better. Plus if you don't like specialists then the game is not for you. I hate specialists but the core gameplay is there something modern cod has lost long ago. I agree the specialists do need lot's and lot's of tweaking and balancing but this was more of an alpha than a beta. The game doesn't even have a release date and at least they made a beta and didn't have the game come out less than the month later.
Saying you’re gonna lose it if you can’t have more attachments than 2 on your gun simply shows how *garbage* the guns in modern COD have become that you need *five* attachments to make a good usable. That’s sad.
You are wrong in MW2019 point. MW2019 was campy because of power-positions oriented map design with hell of a line of sights & fast TTK. They somewhat fixed maps (exept few horrible mistakes like taraq & lighthouse) in MW2022, but they screwed up the movement... game stays campy, no actual improvement.
This exact things that frustrates me the most in CoD franchise is that it doesn`t feel like franchise, or at least multiple parallel franchises(BO, MW, whatever) under same name. New games just don`t capitilize over what was good in previous parts, they just "reshake" things & it just feels like it going nowhere, no actual improvements
Cod 4 had the same philosophy you could just counter them better but cod 4 was campy people tend to forget infinity Ward was always the camper oriented dev team.
Ah yes so the original MW2 maps must be hell on earth
I definitely wouldn’t call BO4 completely traditional, but I absolutely love the gameplay design of it. I don’t think the new CODs are completely traditional either.
Also. We get it. You voted for Biden and regret it lol
Huh?