I am in the camp of not wanting a lot of power. I have a FAZUA bike and rarely take it out of ECO mode. I like the moniker of 'pedal bike plus' in that you get a little bit of assistance just to take the edge off.
Same for me. I thought I would get an ebike in 10years at least, when older, but just bought a fuel exe and it's perfect! Turbo is already a loottt and use it when its hot (feels like of 35-38C) or when I only have 1.5/2h hours max to ride before working! I've rented a Rocky Mountain Altitude last year (first ride on an ebike ever) and hated it! Heavy and 108nm wtf that was like a dirt bike!! Going up a steep fireroad I have to put my weight over the front wheel otherwise it could go up and wheelie like a dirtbike! Really?! I think this is more for the DH crowd who are only biking for the downhills but I do mtn bike to be in shape while having fun. I like to sweat and feel that I am doing a sport.
Just sold my 85nm Bosch powered e-bike for the same reason. Picked up a Fuel exe and it’s perfect for me. My mates all have full powered e-bikes and the only time it’s a challenge to keep up with them, is if they turbo it up climbs but I don’t mind that. On the flatter terrain they struggle to keep up with me and going downhill there’s nothing really in it.
I have a KSL with the original 35nm motor and I love it. Just enough power to help me along without feeling like I'm on a motorbike. This looks like a very good alternative to the KSL and Relay. Good work Trek 👏
my Rail weighs 22kg (48.4 lbs.) , has 85NM of torque, 625 battery, Stroked it out just like Rob did (157mm rear and 170mm front). Sure this Slash will descend better and have more natural feel. ( I have new session and the high pivot is magic). BUT as others have said, DJI let us all know what is now possible. I will hold out for this exact bike with full power, full range and less weight. Not enough here yet to have my purchase.
The new ZF centrix would have been a way better choice. 90nm with same small form factor. Man, e-bike tech is like when smart phones came out. As soon as something lunches 6 month later something better just came out.
A great bike from Trek, lot of negativity about the TQ motor with most comments not enough power, that’s the point it’s not trying to compete with the full fats it’s like you said Rob it’s a more trying to be a peddle bike that allows you to do a bit more personally I don’t want the full fat power yet just still want to be the rider and not the passenger in the climbs my only gripe with the exe was the range the new battery has fixed that this bike will certainly be the death of analogue big travel enduro bikes now one other point that a lot of people oversee on the TQ motor it’s one of the few motors that carries a IP67 waterproof rating which for someone like me in the UK is a massive consideration especially as a few of my mates Bosch CX motors have conked due to water ingress
Trek built a bike no one really wants, as a rail owner I like it but it doesn't have enough power & range and steam riders won't buy because it's got a motor, they've obviously developed this bike over the last few yrs so have missed the boat on the new motors.
I get that most people will buy full power bikes in the end. I'd however prefer a low power bike because of the the terrain available to me and I want to ride for the grinds up the hill, the main reason I'd like a motor is for the trip to the forest. The price however is far beyond my budget.
Everybody who wants to ride a big Enduro but has no Bikepark, Lift or just has long distances or little time will love a slash+ because it rides like a slash and overcomes those issues with a click. Slash+ rides just like a new slash and has a lot of power. Try push additional 300 watts for a climb yourself.
Seriously, Orange hat dude reminds me of my motor bike bro, first thing is power to weight ratio of the bike. In fact he is sounds like a closet case motocross guy, check him out, I totally believe you like pedaling with those mtb glasses on 🥸.
I love my alloy Trek Fuel Exe. But this Slash+ is very inciting. I'll wait for an alloy version. As a lighter rider, the TQ 50nm motor provides me with plenty of assistance up the hills
@@woidmoasta4673 , the battery is perfect. It's only a low powered motor, so with extender it is good for a whole day of riding. At least it whould be for me, and I own the Fuel Exe.
Interesting to contrast the Slash with the Decoy SN, which you were far less positive about, despite it being essentially the same proposition. I guess Rob just really wants to try a high pivot! I tend to agree with Adam that there's little point having a low power motor on such a descent focused bike. The mid-power motors are surely best suited for trail riding, not winch and plummet.
Great looking bike...Love my Gen 4 Rail XT. But that 50 nm motor kills it for me. Everything else is awesome...except the most important part of an emtb.
There is a place for lower powered motors and less battery. They should be the cheaper entry level e-bikes. They shouldn’t be more expensive like this bike. Would have preferred the Bosch SX motor on this bike.
In the Slash+ two-model range, prices start at £7,500 / $7,999.99 / €8,000 (country dependent) for the 9.7 and rise to £11,000 / $11,999.99 / €12,000 for the 9.9, which is nigh-on identical to the equivalent human-powered Slash’s prices.
Don't think TQ motor has enough power/torque for tech climbs on a big bike like that and chain drop from top idler and bottom tensioner was a real problem on the analogue bike don't know if the spacers ever really sorted it, I don't really think it looks at Great either missed opportunity I'll take the kenevo sl2 over this all day.Loving the podcast keep them coming the guest have been fantastic
I already have 2022 Slash 9.8 XT which is a killer and i also got Gen 4 Trek rail 9.8 GX. Rail has been an absolute tank. Im kinda interested in this Slash +, but i think ill wait for another generation. Riding so much on rail and slash i think its like combo of rail and slash. Its like the fun of rail and the agressive built of Slash. However i think i will have hard time changing to 50 NM motor. This bike is mainly made to smash pure mountainbike terrain, downhill etc. But 50 NM is kinda disspointing. My rail at 85 NM and 750W can ride for many hours into turbo mode. I never ran out of battery before i was dead tired. This Slash would be so much more fun if it had like 85NM motor and 600w battery. They could have compensated a bit on the weight. It would be something similar to canyon torque on. Idk to early to say, but that 50NM motor is a bit to weak for me.
i have a fuel exe. I don't know what you talk about it not having enough power. I never run mine in boost except for long boring fireroads and for those it's plenty. In return it doesn't feel like a fat pig in corners and when you are on the brakes.
this is aimed at the analog market, if you want full power and that moto experience, go the rail. I feel like any SL conversation turns into “why not full power” conversation. I get this channel is aimed at full power riders, but really have a open mind or just talk about full powered bikes
It would be great to have a smaller battery option for shuttle/lift bike park days. Say a 200Wh to 300Wh battery. On my 2023 Turbo Levo, I only use 7% of my 500Wh battery riding at Deer Valley Bike Park. I hope bike brands will consider this type of option. BTW love the show!
I thought you said light weight E-bikes are dead rob??😂 jokes aside I really think this TQ motor will disappear 🫥 in a few years.. I really thought it would have the the new Bosch SX motor at least.. great podcast as usual keep it up guys
I think this is a fantastic looking bike. Not every rider comes from a full fat riding background. Its priced close to a normal slash which makes this a great option for analogue riders moving into the ebike world. The alternative is the new specialized ksl 2 which the battery is too small. 580wh is a great choice. This is a better bike than the ksl gen 2 in my opinion.
You guys touched on it but it could have been more emphasised that this is a Slash replacement not a Rail replacement. If you want winch and plummet the Rail is still an option. I'd have a mid power like this, or the Dune, and a non electric DH bike for the uplifts and Euro fly out trips. But if one bike goes in the van, it's a mid power.
I will say that Trek make very good looking bikes. On the ebikes in particular they are smart about the colour scheme, as it aides in making the bike silhuette appear smaller. With that said, I do not see the logic in introducing the TQ system to a full blown enduro bike. Already on the Fuel EXe people complained about the motor being underpowered - and that is on a trail bike. I am also surprised by Trek introducing yet another bike to their line-up when they already have a full-powered ebike for the big hits and jumps - the Trek Rail.
@@SsmAnyfeSt they're like 26kg. This is 21kg! At least the Norco had a full fat motor for its weight. Just take a poo before you head out if you are that concerned lol
@@PlaydohDookie oh and when we say such a think, its more for the climbings... those are ebikes, there is a motor so it wont change anything to go poo before. When going down, having to move a 65 pounds bike is a real joke!! Poo wont make a difference here..
Agree about the top tube, in the past most were on a size small mtb.
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Bikes with less powered motors and smaller batteries are for feather weight riders up to 78Kg. The rest of us, over 80kg, will be benefited only with full powered motors and bigger batteries, as well as with more range!
@@mycyclingdisorder On what? Everybody knows that the TQ motor is the weakest among the lighter motors, and I have ridden one. Struggled and couldn't keep up with the others on full powered bikes and run out of juice 90 minutes later when the rest were still pedaling on either emtb or turbo modes and still had about half power left in their tanks
My RR exe is great, but i’d do a dance if I could get the newer bigger TQ battery in it, i’m 95 kgs and the 500+ battery would improve the range significantly, don’t need a Slash+ if the Exe could stuff this new battery in, i’ll keep looking for a full power!
only rented emtb twice 2nd time was to test how powerful they were at climbing, 6516ft of ascent we did including going up slopes that where the front wheel tried to backflip on us and now that you talk about it yes the seat nose constantly tried to remove my shorts, very annoying will definitely take a look at the anomaly grade adapter for my future emtb
Per his point that he's not ridden a proper high pivot bike, I personally ride a full power 'BRAZN' high pivot EMTB, and all I will say is that regarding all the hype around them, it's true, it's DAM TRUE! ;) It's the best suspension feeling and performance I have ever ridden!
True. I have both the Slash 9 2024 analog and in comparison the Nukeproof Giga 297 2024. High pivot eats up the gnar on high speed and makes you even faster. It’s a magic carpet ride. The traditional 4-bar Horst-link on the Giga has its merits on propelling you slightly better on the jumps, which is to say the Slash is comparatively good as well.
Am I the only one who does NOT want angle adjust headsets??? I had a '21 Stumpjumper Evo and it would constantly creak. Having to tear it apart every other week to re-grease the headset is not fun. Cool idea, absolute PITA to deal with.
Surely on the T type cage, it would be far better to have something that flexes on impact then returns to its original shape, instead of something that attempts to withstand the impact completely. So surely the correct layup of carbon would be better and probably not alot more than the cascade ?
Tell it like it is, the tq is not for unathletic lazy people for everyone else, the motor is awesome, 300 watts of power are enough, otherwise you can also ride a motorcycle
Hi Rob great work as always sorry to ask , but is there a discount code for the electric bike shop ? I tried your older one but won't work ? Thanks and keep up the great and informative work 👍🏻
This bike is a great concept, very close to what I would opt for, however the TQ motor is little efficient. It uses too much energy for the power it provides, and that's its biggest down side.
Hey Rob, can you give an update on the Chinese ebike frame/motor/battery combo you built? These are still being sold, but not much info out there still!
I have an Dh Bike and Full fat e bike …I must say that sometimes I miss normal bike …. And if I could have just one bike I feel like the trek could be the one ….lets say in finale….to ride Dh … I am not sure ….. to ride full fat also not sure…also bikepark I can imagine to be good bike (180 fork?) … only one downside I see is to ride with friends on full fats (and the price).
Rob, you think the Slash+ is impressive but you poo pooed the whole point of the Kenevo SL1.2 , a bike of very similar spec' (with the Spesh' range extender), suspension & technology ! What's the reason for your change in opinion between these two bikes ?
Hummm, that Trek has me throughly baffled. How much heavier than the regular version is it? Because if it's something like 5KG heavier, surely you can't really compare them? 25% weight difference is significant in terms of the weight affecting ride feel, I'm thinking. As for the high pivot thing, interesting but overcomplicated?
I’ve with Adam, I’m just over 100kg so all these new bikes with small motor and battery does nothing for me, I’ve a 2022 mondraker crafty XR and want to change my bike but waiting for that breakthrough in technology, give me more travel, more nm, bigger battery and less weight, manufacturers are now giving you less bike for more ££££
I hear you. I think bigger motor would compromise the weight. Def gonna have to earn your effort, but for the right person I think it makes sense. I’ll stick with my Turbo Levo at 38LBS however 🥲
Rob do you mean Why...... Because he doesn't like hunch back frames its not right or wrong its personal choices, you told him he was wrong who are you now Steve Jones please be objective its the reason your channel is one the last bike channels i'm still subscribed to, the rest of the show was great.
Ebikes are so fun and weird. The bro with the orange hat just needs to switch to motocross with an Electric motorcycle. I have because lets be honest if your complaining about pedaling, don't care about clunking noises and bombing trails back to back. My friend just admit your a motocross not a mountain biker. No harm in that and ypu will enjoy it more. For those fat weekend warriors who still like to pedal and keep up with fit men like yourselves this will be perfect. But Yes under powered, but again were to the point full juice e-bike kick out as much power as a 1st gen electric motorcycle. Your complaining about this bike not being as powerful as an electric motorcycle end of the day. Anyway, ride what ever you want, don't front on something your not.
I have the rail 2021 and really i was hoping for something better than this futuristic small engine bike. I think its as ugly as it gets. Plus that engine😢
If guys at your age need ebikes you are completely in the wrong sport. And at the price you can get a grown up motorbike that will last longer and can be used on the road efficiently. If you want assistance in riding get to the gym or ride more and get in shape.
“What’s the point?” What a recidivistic way of offering a constructive appraisal of anything😢 My respond of that is, “What’s the point of a podcaster who summarises their professional appraisal as, ‘What’s the point?’?” Sorry Rob, but I was really irritated by that negativity. And spending time on the curve of the top tube to define an opinion, that too is, frankly, dismissive in this context. There’s injecting a bit of banter to jolly up a pod, but this is doing it for the sake of it. Poor.
I am in the camp of not wanting a lot of power. I have a FAZUA bike and rarely take it out of ECO mode. I like the moniker of 'pedal bike plus' in that you get a little bit of assistance just to take the edge off.
I have a 70nm bike i have in eco 95% of the time and running at 30nm i very rarely take it out of eco
Same for me. I thought I would get an ebike in 10years at least, when older, but just bought a fuel exe and it's perfect! Turbo is already a loottt and use it when its hot (feels like of 35-38C) or when I only have 1.5/2h hours max to ride before working! I've rented a Rocky Mountain Altitude last year (first ride on an ebike ever) and hated it! Heavy and 108nm wtf that was like a dirt bike!! Going up a steep fireroad I have to put my weight over the front wheel otherwise it could go up and wheelie like a dirtbike! Really?! I think this is more for the DH crowd who are only biking for the downhills but I do mtn bike to be in shape while having fun. I like to sweat and feel that I am doing a sport.
Just sold my 85nm Bosch powered e-bike for the same reason. Picked up a Fuel exe and it’s perfect for me. My mates all have full powered e-bikes and the only time it’s a challenge to keep up with them, is if they turbo it up climbs but I don’t mind that. On the flatter terrain they struggle to keep up with me and going downhill there’s nothing really in it.
i must say you something guys. i like this podcast series so much. best thing to watch on youtube for emtb bikers
Thanks, we appreciate this!
I have a KSL with the original 35nm motor and I love it. Just enough power to help me along without feeling like I'm on a motorbike.
This looks like a very good alternative to the KSL and Relay. Good work Trek 👏
my Rail weighs 22kg (48.4 lbs.) , has 85NM of torque, 625 battery, Stroked it out just like Rob did (157mm rear and 170mm front). Sure this Slash will descend better and have more natural feel. ( I have new session and the high pivot is magic). BUT as others have said, DJI let us all know what is now possible. I will hold out for this exact bike with full power, full range and less weight. Not enough here yet to have my purchase.
The new ZF centrix would have been a way better choice. 90nm with same small form factor. Man, e-bike tech is like when smart phones came out. As soon as something lunches 6 month later something better just came out.
@@snowthugs spot on!
A great bike from Trek, lot of negativity about the TQ motor with most comments not enough power, that’s the point it’s not trying to compete with the full fats it’s like you said Rob it’s a more trying to be a peddle bike that allows you to do a bit more personally I don’t want the full fat power yet just still want to be the rider and not the passenger in the climbs my only gripe with the exe was the range the new battery has fixed that this bike will certainly be the death of analogue big travel enduro bikes now one other point that a lot of people oversee on the TQ motor it’s one of the few motors that carries a IP67 waterproof rating which for someone like me in the UK is a massive consideration especially as a few of my mates Bosch CX motors have conked due to water ingress
great podcast, fellas. I look forward to each episode.
Love all three of you great rapport funny intelligent and most of all not afraid of saying what you think great job thanks
I agree with Will don’t like a curved top tube on any bike ….
Trek built a bike no one really wants, as a rail owner I like it but it doesn't have enough power & range and steam riders won't buy because it's got a motor, they've obviously developed this bike over the last few yrs so have missed the boat on the new motors.
I get that most people will buy full power bikes in the end. I'd however prefer a low power bike because of the the terrain available to me and I want to ride for the grinds up the hill, the main reason I'd like a motor is for the trip to the forest. The price however is far beyond my budget.
Good show, Rob-the honest talk and criticism was refreshing
Everybody who wants to ride a big Enduro but has no Bikepark, Lift or just has long distances or little time will love a slash+ because it rides like a slash and overcomes those issues with a click. Slash+ rides just like a new slash and has a lot of power. Try push additional 300 watts for a climb yourself.
Seriously, Orange hat dude reminds me of my motor bike bro, first thing is power to weight ratio of the bike. In fact he is sounds like a closet case motocross guy, check him out, I totally believe you like pedaling with those mtb glasses on 🥸.
I love my alloy Trek Fuel Exe. But this Slash+ is very inciting. I'll wait for an alloy version. As a lighter rider, the TQ 50nm motor provides me with plenty of assistance up the hills
was told there will only ever be these 2 models, the fuel exe was always coming in less spec.
ZF motor next year and I'm in.
As another tall rider i'm with you on chain stay length being important. Size specific stays is on my list of 'requirements' for the next bike...
This needs the ZF or the DJi motors.
DJI broke the mold, this is the way forward. I hope more innovative companies outside the bike industry shake things up.
Agreed. This bike project is probably started the same time as the current slash so that was a couple years ago.
I don't need more power then the TQ and it's lighter then the others. But resale value won't be so great
@@Mountain_Manupower is enough yes but not the Battery...
@@woidmoasta4673 , the battery is perfect. It's only a low powered motor, so with extender it is good for a whole day of riding. At least it whould be for me, and I own the Fuel Exe.
Interesting to contrast the Slash with the Decoy SN, which you were far less positive about, despite it being essentially the same proposition. I guess Rob just really wants to try a high pivot! I tend to agree with Adam that there's little point having a low power motor on such a descent focused bike. The mid-power motors are surely best suited for trail riding, not winch and plummet.
Really like the podcast, keep it on!, good job!
Love the top gear reference!
Great looking bike...Love my Gen 4 Rail XT. But that 50 nm motor kills it for me. Everything else is awesome...except the most important part of an emtb.
spot on
There is a place for lower powered motors and less battery. They should be the cheaper entry level e-bikes. They shouldn’t be more expensive like this bike. Would have preferred the Bosch SX motor on this bike.
I hope they have Patented the high pivot as it will hopefully stop others making the same mistake. E=Mtb²
“Low starting prices at 12.000.99€”
In the Slash+ two-model range, prices start at £7,500 / $7,999.99 / €8,000 (country dependent) for the 9.7 and rise to £11,000 / $11,999.99 / €12,000 for the 9.9, which is nigh-on identical to the equivalent human-powered Slash’s prices.
Don't think TQ motor has enough power/torque for tech climbs on a big bike like that and chain drop from top idler and bottom tensioner was a real problem on the analogue bike don't know if the spacers ever really sorted it, I don't really think it looks at Great either missed opportunity I'll take the kenevo sl2 over this all day.Loving the podcast keep them coming the guest have been fantastic
The problem has been exaggerated, most of the people who complained don't even have a slash + there is a new gear
I already have 2022 Slash 9.8 XT which is a killer and i also got Gen 4 Trek rail 9.8 GX. Rail has been an absolute tank. Im kinda interested in this Slash +, but i think ill wait for another generation. Riding so much on rail and slash i think its like combo of rail and slash. Its like the fun of rail and the agressive built of Slash. However i think i will have hard time changing to 50 NM motor.
This bike is mainly made to smash pure mountainbike terrain, downhill etc. But 50 NM is kinda disspointing. My rail at 85 NM and 750W can ride for many hours into turbo mode. I never ran out of battery before i was dead tired. This Slash would be so much more fun if it had like 85NM motor and 600w battery. They could have compensated a bit on the weight. It would be something similar to canyon torque on. Idk to early to say, but that 50NM motor is a bit to weak for me.
i have a fuel exe. I don't know what you talk about it not having enough power. I never run mine in boost except for long boring fireroads and for those it's plenty. In return it doesn't feel like a fat pig in corners and when you are on the brakes.
Same here, i really don't like the hatchback look top tube. I preferred a straight clean top tube. 😂
this is aimed at the analog market, if you want full power and that moto experience, go the rail. I feel like any SL conversation turns into “why not full power” conversation. I get this channel is aimed at full power riders, but really have a open mind or just talk about full powered bikes
Enduro wrecker with a TQ-HPR50?! REALLY?! Looks great but that's it. Really disappointing to be honest.
It would be great to have a smaller battery option for shuttle/lift bike park days. Say a 200Wh to 300Wh battery.
On my 2023 Turbo Levo, I only use 7% of my 500Wh battery riding at Deer Valley Bike Park. I hope bike brands will consider this type of option.
BTW love the show!
The marketing guys missed the better name - Slashy occurred to me the second I saw the product release. It’s betterer than +
Same colour as the Mondraker Dune. Think I'd go for the Dune over this.
I thought you said light weight E-bikes are dead rob??😂 jokes aside I really think this TQ motor will disappear 🫥 in a few years.. I really thought it would have the the new Bosch SX motor at least.. great podcast as usual keep it up guys
I think this is a fantastic looking bike. Not every rider comes from a full fat riding background. Its priced close to a normal slash which makes this a great option for analogue riders moving into the ebike world. The alternative is the new specialized ksl 2 which the battery is too small. 580wh is a great choice. This is a better bike than the ksl gen 2 in my opinion.
You guys touched on it but it could have been more emphasised that this is a Slash replacement not a Rail replacement. If you want winch and plummet the Rail is still an option. I'd have a mid power like this, or the Dune, and a non electric DH bike for the uplifts and Euro fly out trips. But if one bike goes in the van, it's a mid power.
I will say that Trek make very good looking bikes. On the ebikes in particular they are smart about the colour scheme, as it aides in making the bike silhuette appear smaller. With that said, I do not see the logic in introducing the TQ system to a full blown enduro bike. Already on the Fuel EXe people complained about the motor being underpowered - and that is on a trail bike. I am also surprised by Trek introducing yet another bike to their line-up when they already have a full-powered ebike for the big hits and jumps - the Trek Rail.
Norco VLT bikes would be a better proposition if you were sold on high pivot
mmm why??? Norco are huuggeeee, they seem to be like 60 lbs! lol
@@SsmAnyfeSt they're like 26kg. This is 21kg! At least the Norco had a full fat motor for its weight. Just take a poo before you head out if you are that concerned lol
@@PlaydohDookie oh and when we say such a think, its more for the climbings... those are ebikes, there is a motor so it wont change anything to go poo before. When going down, having to move a 65 pounds bike is a real joke!! Poo wont make a difference here..
@@SsmAnyfeSttbh I don't even know how much 65lbs is mate. So yeah.. Ok cool
Looks like a great shuttle bike
Agree about the top tube, in the past most were on a size small mtb.
Bikes with less powered motors and smaller batteries are for feather weight riders up to 78Kg. The rest of us, over 80kg, will be benefited only with full powered motors and bigger batteries, as well as with more range!
So not true. As a 90kg rider with at TQ motor. But I like MTB. Not full powered eMTB. 3 hours, with 3x the laps is typically enough for me.
@@paulatwork517 3 hours in what mode, Eco and struggling on the climbs? Not my style
I disagree with you.
@@mycyclingdisorder On what? Everybody knows that the TQ motor is the weakest among the lighter motors, and I have ridden one. Struggled and couldn't keep up with the others on full powered bikes and run out of juice 90 minutes later when the rest were still pedaling on either emtb or turbo modes and still had about half power left in their tanks
My RR exe is great, but i’d do a dance if I could get the newer bigger TQ battery in it, i’m 95 kgs and the 500+ battery would improve the range significantly, don’t need a Slash+ if the Exe could stuff this new battery in, i’ll keep looking for a full power!
only rented emtb twice 2nd time was to test how powerful they were at climbing, 6516ft of ascent we did including going up slopes that where the front wheel tried to backflip on us and now that you talk about it yes the seat nose constantly tried to remove my shorts, very annoying will definitely take a look at the anomaly grade adapter for my future emtb
Hearing what is mostly wished for on this Slash+ can be found in the recently updated Norco Range VLT 2024, high pivot, with Bosch CX motor.
I LOVE IT Bcuz it's A TREK 🍁❤
Per his point that he's not ridden a proper high pivot bike, I personally ride a full power 'BRAZN' high pivot EMTB, and all I will say is that regarding all the hype around them, it's true, it's DAM TRUE! ;)
It's the best suspension feeling and performance I have ever ridden!
True. I have both the Slash 9 2024 analog and in comparison the Nukeproof Giga 297 2024. High pivot eats up the gnar on high speed and makes you even faster. It’s a magic carpet ride. The traditional 4-bar Horst-link on the Giga has its merits on propelling you slightly better on the jumps, which is to say the Slash is comparatively good as well.
If you want a full fat high pivot buy a rocky you can always dial it back powerwise.
Am I the only one who does NOT want angle adjust headsets??? I had a '21 Stumpjumper Evo and it would constantly creak. Having to tear it apart every other week to re-grease the headset is not fun. Cool idea, absolute PITA to deal with.
Surely on the T type cage, it would be far better to have something that flexes on impact then returns to its original shape, instead of something that attempts to withstand the impact completely. So surely the correct layup of carbon would be better and probably not alot more than the cascade ?
Tell it like it is, the tq is not for unathletic lazy people for everyone else, the motor is awesome, 300 watts of power are enough, otherwise you can also ride a motorcycle
Hi Rob great work as always sorry to ask , but is there a discount code for the electric bike shop ? I tried your older one but won't work ? Thanks and keep up the great and informative work 👍🏻
Would that convex outward curve of the top tube not improve frame strength?
I thought I was the only one who dislikes curved top tubes , nice one will
Coll video! But a ZF 90 would do it!!! Small enough, light enough...or a dji motor? And I think DJI and ZF is very silent too!
Slash + Aluminum
Then I’ll be interested
Is this an extended advertisement? The podcast platform isn’t well suited for that.
TQ was a mistake...
Hopefully they switch to ZF Centrix to keep a low profile.
Love my TQ fuel exe
Why not Shimano XTR short cage 10-45T casset🤔
Ouch!! Australia prices for the new Slash+ $ 17990 for the T type 9.9 and $ 11499 for the 9.7 XT version…😳 Crikey
There’s no way I’m taking my hands off my bars to adjust my saddle angle.
awesome bike any way to fit that battery in the fuel exe
I dont think this is possible sadly
@@RobRidesEMTB was hoping you'd say yes 🥲
Unfortunately not - different size, different shape
Looking at the photos the frame down tubes look very similar in shape and length , seeing in the flesh would confirm or otherwise
@@JohnWilson-jh5izit’s a definite no I spoke to TQ on instagram very sad 😢
Does the chain stay on on this one?
This bike is a great concept, very close to what I would opt for, however the TQ motor is little efficient. It uses too much energy for the power it provides, and that's its biggest down side.
Hey Rob, can you give an update on the Chinese ebike frame/motor/battery combo you built? These are still being sold, but not much info out there still!
I have an Dh Bike and Full fat e bike …I must say that sometimes I miss normal bike …. And if I could have just one bike I feel like the trek could be the one ….lets say in finale….to ride Dh … I am not sure ….. to ride full fat also not sure…also bikepark I can imagine to be good bike (180 fork?) … only one downside I see is to ride with friends on full fats (and the price).
Can these bike manufacturers just feck off with these 11k bikes, I can buy a KTM 690 enduro for less than
Rob, you think the Slash+ is impressive but you poo pooed the whole point of the Kenevo SL1.2 , a bike of very similar spec' (with the Spesh' range extender), suspension & technology ! What's the reason for your change in opinion between these two bikes ?
What’s the possibility of this new battery retrofitting into the Fuel EXE frame
That whould be so great. Range is my only complaint about the Fuel.
Dont fit
@@weizenobstmusli8232agreed I used my range extender for around 90% of my rides and the new battery does not fit the Fuel EXe as confirmed by TQ 😫
Hummm, that Trek has me throughly baffled. How much heavier than the regular version is it? Because if it's something like 5KG heavier, surely you can't really compare them? 25% weight difference is significant in terms of the weight affecting ride feel, I'm thinking. As for the high pivot thing, interesting but overcomplicated?
I drop 5kg every morning, so it whould be ok for me :-D High pivot feels great. Much smoother. Imagine every obstacle is rounded. That's how it feels.
I agree with Will. Mullet bikes also look like dogs relieving themselves...just saying.
I’ve with Adam, I’m just over 100kg so all these new bikes with small motor and battery does nothing for me, I’ve a 2022 mondraker crafty XR and want to change my bike but waiting for that breakthrough in technology, give me more travel, more nm, bigger battery and less weight, manufacturers are now giving you less bike for more ££££
Checkout the Norco Range VLT 2024. Bosch CX 85nm, 750Wh, high pivot, longer travel, better price.
Mmmm not sold yet
" A sucker born every minute"
Sounds silly but im not a fan of the small trek decals. 😂
Good evening sir please sir I want to start a bicycle tour but I need your help I'm an African
Is every video going to be this podcast style?
No. 1 podcast per week, covering news and new bike stuff. Plenty of actual bike riding videos coming up!
Motor is to small for a big hit bike on the Trek.... makes no sense 😅 Just the industry inventing rubbish again. 🤷♂️🤷♂️
nope. for pure mtbers, i suspect on target. downhill focused for big hits, natural feel, bit of power for self shuttle.
@@paulatwork517 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Pure mountain bikers 🤣🤣🤣🤣 You crack me up 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I hear you. I think bigger motor would compromise the weight. Def gonna have to earn your effort, but for the right person I think it makes sense. I’ll stick with my Turbo Levo at 38LBS however 🥲
The Whyte frame just looks like a Boardman 🤢
Way too underpowered. NEXT
Rob do you mean Why...... Because he doesn't like hunch back frames its not right or wrong its personal choices, you told him he was wrong who are you now Steve Jones please be objective its the reason your channel is one the last bike channels i'm still subscribed to, the rest of the show was great.
Prefer. My 442mm chainstay over 450mm
The problem is it’s a Trek.🤣
Can these bike manufacturers just feck off with these 11k bikes, I can buy a KTM 690 enduro for less
Ebikes are so fun and weird. The bro with the orange hat just needs to switch to motocross with an Electric motorcycle. I have because lets be honest if your complaining about pedaling, don't care about clunking noises and bombing trails back to back. My friend just admit your a motocross not a mountain biker. No harm in that and ypu will enjoy it more. For those fat weekend warriors who still like to pedal and keep up with fit men like yourselves this will be perfect. But Yes under powered, but again were to the point full juice e-bike kick out as much power as a 1st gen electric motorcycle. Your complaining about this bike not being as powerful as an electric motorcycle end of the day. Anyway, ride what ever you want, don't front on something your not.
It’s just another gimmick, who needs high pivot on an ebike!
Useless
I have the rail 2021 and really i was hoping for something better than this futuristic small engine bike.
I think its as ugly as it gets. Plus that engine😢
The guy with the orange cap has no clue. Did he ever ride a bike?
Saw Adam ride when he was on embn pretty sure he's better than you
No one cares about a TQ bike with a range extender . I can’t believe bike manufacturers are using this motor
If guys at your age need ebikes you are completely in the wrong sport. And at the price you can get a grown up motorbike that will last longer and can be used on the road efficiently. If you want assistance in riding get to the gym or ride more and get in shape.
“What’s the point?” What a recidivistic way of offering a constructive appraisal of anything😢 My respond of that is, “What’s the point of a podcaster who summarises their professional appraisal as, ‘What’s the point?’?” Sorry Rob, but I was really irritated by that negativity. And spending time on the curve of the top tube to define an opinion, that too is, frankly, dismissive in this context. There’s injecting a bit of banter to jolly up a pod, but this is doing it for the sake of it. Poor.
Do u mean reductionistic instead?👊