Why are you merging in the first place, let Vistara be positioned as slight premium airline and Air India be as it is.. just that both should fly on time 😅😂
They Own 4 airlines Rn it's really difficult for TATA to manage all the 4 airlines hence, Air india express and Air asia Have murged and So Vistara and Air india will
Air India has changed, I had recently been in air India and the service has improved. I used to fly by vistara but the leg space is pretty low in vistara but in air India is much better and you get 20kg luggage instead of 15kg
@channel-qd3itDon't blame customers.. we all know how there's no value for money for the general population in India from enterprises and government by businesses..
@channel-qd3itthat is because we are still poor. No matter how many andhbhakts go on pretending that we are Vishwaguru, We are piss poor and instead of accepting that fact and working on it andhbhakts would rather put a veil on it. Just like our supreme leader did during G20.
How did modi come into this? Tf? In fact India's per capita has doubled@@yomamasohot6411(3000) 8% growth every year is the norm now which means the per capita would grow faster too Inflation in 2004-2014 was 10%!! Petrol in 2004 costed 36 in 2014 76! Compared to 97 now lmao
Should keep Vistara a separate entity(and maintain premium appeal)... Air India, Air India express and Air Asia should be one entity(purely focused on low cost model) that way Tata group can operate in both segments smoothly
AI express, air asia are considered low cost carrier Vistara is premium in India, but AI has an int' appeal and loyal customer and huge history, of premium services Just government things, it turned the brand Identity drag down
@avirajpatel-kj6ovKuch bhi😂 ... Tata Sons IPO has completely different reasons ...Tata group is financially sound... and they've even figured out a way to avoid IPO of Tata Sons...kuch bhi khayaali pulav mat pakao
See my dad was a pilot not working now but in last 5 years he said that merging is good q ki vistara bhi air indias and air aisa ki tharah ddca ke under aati thi that means they also cane directory under tata gp but the issue is ground staff jab air india ki boarding hoti hai to wo chaos me hote hai jabki vistara and air aisa aram se dekh rahe hote hai same with vistara and air aisa ground staff me support ki issue hoti hai and obas hai no one want to work for other companies on same pay which increases ultimate aviation cost of india and one more think plans kebal udti hai tabhi nhi khadi rahti hai tab bhi charge lagta hai unpe and its huge amt of money
Everyone talking about how vistara is premium and air India is a low budget flight... Meanwhile me who can only afford indigo because who feels air india is too expensive, watching this debate with popcorn
I think Tata should not merge Vistara and Air India Express Airlines with Air India. What they can do is differentiate these three airlines, like: - Air India should be more of an expensive airline for those who want an ultra-luxury experience on international flights. The price of tickets should be between ₹55,000 to ₹5,00,000+. - Vistara should be for those who want a luxurious experience on domestic and some international flights on a limited budget. The price of tickets should be between ₹10,000 to ₹15,000 for domestic and ₹20,000 to ₹80,000 for international flights. - Air India Express should be a budget or low-cost carrier for those who want cheap tickets to compete with airlines like IndiGo, SpiceJet, etc.
Until the clueless govt merged the two, India had two national airlines, the flag carrier Air India and the domestic-routes-only Indian Airlines. That model expanded on the pre-Independence Tata Airlines and domestic Deccan Airways, and worked perfectly.
After Mr. Ratan Tata, I felt like Tata Group is more concerned about profit and not about it's employees or it's customer. Be it TCS, Vistara.. Employees aren't happy with the management. Afterall not everyone can be a great manager as Mr. Ratan Tata
It is not good for company it will reduce their profit cuz AI AND AIX Pilots will also get increased flying hrs so that's why it is not good idea for company
Yea and compromise on stock holder interest and devalue and defunct the company . Standard working hours for India is 8 hrs a day . For pilots and air crew they get the extra benifit of staying in premium hotels in their arival and departure destinations free of cost . What more should be done . I say fire them all and float a JD to get new pilots
@@Aviator_wings, It's just pilots, If your flights are grounded, you're loosing on revenue and you still need to pay for everything else. And who protests like this? They can easily find a job with some other airlines instead.
First time Narayan Murthy dream came true someone asking to work 70 hours just not in a week but whole month, also I know they get paid by hours buts it’s funny that the hours are coincidentally same
Pilots don't just work for 70hrs a month. This 70 he is just engine on to engine off time. Pilots work BEFORE FLIGHT AND AFTER AFTWR FLIGHT TOO..IN ACTUALITY A PILOT WORKS 50-55hrs a Week.
Raise the contract to 55hr/month there by raising the salary of air india group by 15 and standardising the salary of vistara by 15, hence achieving the pay parity without disrupting too much.
@@railfanVishal coz there is a process called standardisation and its not a fixed pay if they fly more they will get more. Also i am not saying thats the only solution, if it comes to this then its better than what they are doing.
Tata is not doing any charity here, they are paying salary for the services. Tata is getting work in same ratio to their salary ... anyone can say what Vitara is and what air india is.
@@atulmits yep no one is doing charity hence pay parity is needed its a just a way to ensure there is not much disruption. Also you clearly havent recently flown in the new air india fleet.
To run a sustainable and profitable airline business merger is required, vistata can be the premium segment but though merger is important from company perspective. Now handling salary of vistata pilot can be handled other way to solve the issue and end the protest.
What do you think... There are 20000+ dgca license holders pilots and the industry has 3500-5000 aircraft in possession or in Projected possession.... With total required strength of 10000-15000 pilots.. Required.. Guess what will happen... Aviation its the most generic product we see on the "things we need shelf" And even a single rupee plus minus change in the ticket cost determines booking or canceling of tickets.
@@PaulBateman69 he thinks there are more pilots but there are more than 25000 cpl approved by dgca but this are total licenses given from date of 1940 . Airline will need new pilots but if junior pilots shows this behaviour there's no hope they maybe can go jobless airline always need captain's and most of them are captain's so it doesn't matter
The number of pilots is higher than required.. And the irony is that the basic pay of pilots is not much.. They get paid only when they fly.. When a pilot can legally fly upto 80 hours per month if you are asking him to fly only for 40 hours you basically have twice the number of pilots you need.. How many of them will go on a strike.. Even if all of them go on a strike.. An airline will 'wet lease' aircraft ( like in this cease) from other airlines with its entire crew.. And dry lease (without crew) its aircraft to other airlines. In 90s the salary of pilots was 4 or 5 times the equivalent aviation engineer. In mid 2000 it's was 3 times today it's not that much higher.. Than that of an engineer.. So demand and supply.. You can go to DGCA websites and see how many aircrafts are there in the country and also see how many pilots are there in the country.. And google the minimum number of pilots recruits required to high efficiently operate that aircraft.. You will find reasoning for my explanation.
It's not about being a fan. They are a trillion dollar group and have lasted for more than one and a half century and their networth is more than 30 trillion dollars. I am sure they know how to run their company better than you. 😂
The Tata Group can go fuck themselves. I am an employee and their pay is really low. And it’s really old so it’s managed horribly. The sir / madam mentality is fucked up. The work atmosphere in plants and sites are HORRIBLE, especially for the women.
When I first took Vistara, I really loved it. They even used to give snacks in economy. Haven't taken it in a long time because the timings don't suit my current trips anymore. For what it's worth, Akasa is still better than IndiGo.
Everyone treats Ambani, Adani , etc. like they are goons or thugs. I have seen random kids commenting ambani ki jitni net worth h utna to tata ji ne donate kr diya h. Itna donate krne ke bajay TCS, Air India ke employees ki care kr lete. Bache to aise support krte h jaise bhagwan ho.
Bang on buddy. Tata ko bhagvan banake rakha he bacho ne. TCS still highers freshers at 3 lpa. Where is the charity, I don't see free hospitals or schools by TATA. Donation is just for saving taxes. As a middleclass you don't have options.
Now all flights going to AI code which make ease of business, sale, luggage handling etc, full carrier Air india competitive around world airlines in near future & Airindia Express competitive with low cost carriers Indigo, spicejet, Akasa etc. Hopefully, the Tata management & Vistara pilot problem will be solved soon.
There is an option to deem their services as critical and essential services due to which the pilots would have to be examined by company doctors deeming them fit or unfit to fly.
Yeah man. Never flown on vistara but seen thier flight 2 or 3k emore expensive per person per flight in general Edit : this was a reply . i commented normally by mistake
The answer is not flat hours but slab hours where some at 70 and some 40 in a bell curve based on performance . So there is constant motivation to go to higher slab and earn more . When excess hours are there due to more top performers , HR and marketing needs to tap this talent by new sectors and frequency . Flights are so full these days . This is a no brainer .
I don’t know whether the issue still exists : If yes - Merger is always for better. Richness take into count only for the passengers by providing extra amenities. Fly technology to fly is similar to all. Streamline with effective communications is best approach. Acceptance- Long run perks or some kind of value added stuff. Denied- Should be zero scope in fact where everyone has to be respected. Empathy is always sits on top rated to everyone. Thanks
Basically merger will have to make company policies knowledge transfer. Also cancellation of vistara airlines are because eventually vistara planes chart will be off and it will be replaced by airindia chart, so cancellation will make people not to book vistara flights. And yes the merge .issues need to be sorted out offcourse which is the task of vistara managers and talent team to make pilots up understand and study airindia rules and regulations. You can see more news in business newspaper as well regarding this..
It is better to make three divisions under one umbrela of tata aviation 1.economy service class 2.avg service class 3.premium service class And pay the pilot accordingly. I am not a aviation expert but just from a common understanding. If vistara pilot get less pay than what they get now, they will be agitated.
Whatever class a passenger gets in his category, pilot need same skills regardless of food served in aeroplane. So why pilot should accept variation in salary due to food served inside plane ?
Both should be maintained as Separate entity with interoperability clause for the time being, till a permanent solution is found. For interoperability the payments should be made internally
Please mention that they got a 67℅ salary cut while the work cut was just 43℅ so now they get:- 43℅salary for 57℅ of the original work + Pilot experience is very important for promotion and salary increment. Please pin or mention in a separate part.
The Tata Group should also consider giving Air India and Air Express pilots 70 hours per month plus variable pay. To offset this additional cost, the company could explore reducing the salaries of their airline business's top management in the corporate office.
The people in the top management are more valuable than the Pilots. We can get great pilots pretty easily. But the management staff who are absolutely great are rare. So their salary won't be cut. Pilots also get additional benefits other than salary. Plus they don't have to fly longer now. If they don't agree there is no dearth of pilots in India. Infact there are more pilots in India than planes.
@@aasamspb967 Yeah, I forgot that in Capitalism, capitalists ensure they always have excess supply/unemployment to make the employed resources work harder, and pay them less to extract maximum profits. While human lives and welfare don't matter.
My favorite flight on this planet my love for vistara will continue... fabulous staff ... love it's vibe vistara will miss u lobe u for serving me Vistara will be my favorite airlines forever I can never forget paris to delhi flight on vistara my most memorable flight N also outstanding staff of vistara on my greece flight love u vistara
Aloke Singh and Vinod Kannan can not replace Mr Tata's business prudence and concern for his employees. But he is aged and can not look into day to day affair of his companies. The present CEO's are only profit oriented so slowly Tata's empire will die down.
Imagine being on a flight where the pilot is relying on autopilot to handle critical situations No pilots are not allowed to sleep during cruise until its a long haul flight even then 2 pilot should be in cockpit all the time
@dasher2409 My dear friend, let me state some facts for you. 1. In case of any emergency like an engine failure or a rapid decompression or any major emergency who do you think makes sure that the aircraft lands safely? The pilot does. 2. Since an aircraft flies on autopilot who do you think makes sure the autopilot does its job correctly? The pilot does. 3. In order for an autopilot to work it has to be fed with information. Who do you think tells the autopilot what to do? The pilot does. 4. Who do you think has to be aware and awake every moment of the flight? The pilot has to. 5. Pilots have to be proficient in their job and also the odd timings of their flying. Whether it be a day flight or an afternoon one or a night one. 6. Pilot have to be updated on their knowledge 24/7 and also they have tests every 6 months to check their flying skills.
Many of Tata ventures are actually big failures. TCS is completely stagnated zero growth. Big basket is too costly vis a vis Reliance Fresh & Dmart. Air India contonues to bleed losses. Let Vistara be a seperate entity and run as a premium airline
If Tata needs to go diabolical then, Tata can accept the demands of the vistaara pilots. Start the functioning and commence mass hiring of yhe pilots in lower salary, increase salaries of Air India pilots to slightly higher level so that they don't leave. Layoff the pilots with high end salaries post mass hiring. Else if they want to go soft then balance out the salary components of both vistara and air India to a compromising level by increasing budget.
flying is a serious business, hopefully ratan tata and his key people will take thr right decision. I will come to an amicable figures until i find suitable replacements. vistara and tcs are two different segments.
Vistara as premium facility should get more incentives so either make Air india similar or transition of pilots on performance pay else change rules of 40 hrs/ month
The new owner has the right to make necessary changes as per his new plans for better long term future of the organization. Employees should follow the rules so long as they're not removed/retired.
Pilots are killing the brand, hurting the airline, NOT the Tata group. Why inverse the situation? Go check how LKY handled Singapore Airlines pilot protests.
Vistara pilots should be sued for bringing down the brand value of a company. This is pre meditated with intention to destroy the brand. If they don't like the job, then leave.
Vistara tickets cost way more than Air India & Air India Express.......... So does the pilot have their point for not having a steep cut in their pay....... And Vistara is premium flight compared to rest of the budget airlines and is almost on time...... I am afraid about Air India.......... And if tata wants to pay the same scale for both pilots then do the same with the fares too.
If Tata merges Vistara with Air India, we should accept it as a business decision. Only they are entitled to that decision. Vistara is not some Indian institution that needs saving, nor is Vistara 'being killed' as the video title wrongly alleges. In a competitive environment, mergers and splits are what keeps businesses afloat. Also Tatas have to keep their shareholders' welfare in mind. Some decades ago, the government of India had taken the 'business' decision to merge the then Indian Airlines with Air India for various reasons.
It is certainly believable about the Company like TATA that higher salary to the pilots would result in huge losses of the company. So the pilots should sit with the management to find an amicable solution accepting some sacrifices for keeping the company live.
Merging two brands of similar service was suicidal. Low cost airline n premium service airline is the only option to keep employees happy yet service customers
@@aasamspb967 undoubtedly talent is abundance in India but all positions cannot be filled at once and definitely that’s loss for Tata on a temporary basis
Well, Tata should revert back to 70 hours and force the pilots to work 70 hours without fail. Even if they are not needed, fill them up on the flight. Do that for an year or so, that should solve the problem.
Keep Vistara and Aur India separate. Although both under Tata but Vistara employees were not told if they acquire Air India the changes will be as per Air India
Instead of protesting, the pilots should resign and look for better options elsewhere. The TATAS, though would be at a loss temporarily, can improve its performance in the long term.
Tata should compensate the right salary to Vistara Pilots on which they were initially hired. For new hirings they can keep the current salary of tata group.
Why are you merging in the first place, let Vistara be positioned as slight premium airline and Air India be as it is.. just that both should fly on time 😅😂
Thats a good thinking
They won’t get the advantage of star alliance and other facilities that air india possess
keeping 2 businesses with significant overlapping redundancy is how you go bankrupt
M&A significantly reduces overhead expenses
They Own 4 airlines Rn it's really difficult for TATA to manage all the 4 airlines hence, Air india express and Air asia Have murged and So Vistara and Air india will
This is sad. Vistara is so much more premium than Air India, Indigo etc. 😭
Air India has changed, I had recently been in air India and the service has improved. I used to fly by vistara but the leg space is pretty low in vistara but in air India is much better and you get 20kg luggage instead of 15kg
under Tata brand, AI is trying for premium
@channel-qd3itDon't blame customers.. we all know how there's no value for money for the general population in India from enterprises and government by businesses..
@channel-qd3itthat is because we are still poor. No matter how many andhbhakts go on pretending that we are Vishwaguru, We are piss poor and instead of accepting that fact and working on it andhbhakts would rather put a veil on it. Just like our supreme leader did during G20.
How did modi come into this? Tf? In fact India's per capita has doubled@@yomamasohot6411(3000)
8% growth every year is the norm now which means the per capita would grow faster too
Inflation in 2004-2014 was 10%!!
Petrol in 2004 costed 36 in 2014 76! Compared to 97 now lmao
Should keep Vistara a separate entity(and maintain premium appeal)... Air India, Air India express and Air Asia should be one entity(purely focused on low cost model) that way Tata group can operate in both segments smoothly
AI express, air asia are considered low cost carrier
Vistara is premium in India, but AI has an int' appeal and loyal customer and huge history, of premium services
Just government things, it turned the brand Identity drag down
@avirajpatel-kj6ovKuch bhi😂 ... Tata Sons IPO has completely different reasons ...Tata group is financially sound... and they've even figured out a way to avoid IPO of Tata Sons...kuch bhi khayaali pulav mat pakao
Yes Sir, and what Airline do you operate?
See my dad was a pilot not working now but in last 5 years he said that merging is good q ki vistara bhi air indias and air aisa ki tharah ddca ke under aati thi that means they also cane directory under tata gp but the issue is ground staff jab air india ki boarding hoti hai to wo chaos me hote hai jabki vistara and air aisa aram se dekh rahe hote hai same with vistara and air aisa ground staff me support ki issue hoti hai and obas hai no one want to work for other companies on same pay which increases ultimate aviation cost of india and one more think plans kebal udti hai tabhi nhi khadi rahti hai tab bhi charge lagta hai unpe and its huge amt of money
Everyone talking about how vistara is premium and air India is a low budget flight... Meanwhile me who can only afford indigo because who feels air india is too expensive, watching this debate with popcorn
Classic Tata case . They thought they will operate vistara like tcs ..😂😂
Absolutely true, on tcsers will understand why this is happening 😂😂😂😂
Is TCS that bad?
@@ichneumon2776 not bad I will say
@@ichneumon2776no bad,just mediocre
@@ichneumon2776worst
I think Tata should not merge Vistara and Air India Express Airlines with Air India. What they can do is differentiate these three airlines, like:
- Air India should be more of an expensive airline for those who want an ultra-luxury experience on international flights. The price of tickets should be between ₹55,000 to ₹5,00,000+.
- Vistara should be for those who want a luxurious experience on domestic and some international flights on a limited budget. The price of tickets should be between ₹10,000 to ₹15,000 for domestic and ₹20,000 to ₹80,000 for international flights.
- Air India Express should be a budget or low-cost carrier for those who want cheap tickets to compete with airlines like IndiGo, SpiceJet, etc.
Until the clueless govt merged the two, India had two national airlines, the flag carrier Air India and the domestic-routes-only Indian Airlines. That model expanded on the pre-Independence Tata Airlines and domestic Deccan Airways, and worked perfectly.
Yeah
Don't really think tatas care about comment section. They are veteran businessmen and know how to negotiate😅
In this age, no one is totally immune to public opinion.
After Mr. Ratan Tata, I felt like Tata Group is more concerned about profit and not about it's employees or it's customer. Be it TCS, Vistara.. Employees aren't happy with the management. Afterall not everyone can be a great manager as Mr. Ratan Tata
People giving suggestions without having full knowledge 😂
Exactly.
mostly are having their so-called elitist mindset take over their thinking
Exactly
Yap! More and more of the barking by the people who can’t even run their own households.
Exactly
Reverse the contract to 70.hrs in the entire group. Which was the standard practice before tatas took over.
It's not as easy as you think
You're so smart
It is not good for company it will reduce their profit cuz AI AND AIX Pilots will also get increased flying hrs so that's why it is not good idea for company
Yea and compromise on stock holder interest and devalue and defunct the company .
Standard working hours for India is 8 hrs a day . For pilots and air crew they get the extra benifit of staying in premium hotels in their arival and departure destinations free of cost . What more should be done .
I say fire them all and float a JD to get new pilots
@@Aviator_wings,
It's just pilots, If your flights are grounded, you're loosing on revenue and you still need to pay for everything else. And who protests like this? They can easily find a job with some other airlines instead.
First time Narayan Murthy dream came true someone asking to work 70 hours just not in a week but whole month, also I know they get paid by hours buts it’s funny that the hours are coincidentally same
I would encourage people to sleep 70 hours a week and you will be amazed how productive they will become whenever they work.
But atleast they are getting paid unlike IT people who are paid for 40 hrs of their work
Haha good one man and I’m sure with the 40hrs push he’s also planning to start pilot consulting within CTS 😂
And the airline is asking them work 40 hours instead 😂😂
Pilots don't just work for 70hrs a month. This 70 he is just engine on to engine off time. Pilots work BEFORE FLIGHT AND AFTER AFTWR FLIGHT TOO..IN ACTUALITY A PILOT WORKS 50-55hrs a Week.
Raise the contract to 55hr/month there by raising the salary of air india group by 15 and standardising the salary of vistara by 15, hence achieving the pay parity without disrupting too much.
Why would someone accept a pay cut unnecessarily? Is it fair for Vistara pilots?
@@railfanVishal coz there is a process called standardisation and its not a fixed pay if they fly more they will get more. Also i am not saying thats the only solution, if it comes to this then its better than what they are doing.
Holistic approach, nice, they might ask this in IIM interviews not kidding 😂
Tata is not doing any charity here, they are paying salary for the services. Tata is getting work in same ratio to their salary ... anyone can say what Vitara is and what air india is.
@@atulmits yep no one is doing charity hence pay parity is needed its a just a way to ensure there is not much disruption. Also you clearly havent recently flown in the new air india fleet.
To run a sustainable and profitable airline business merger is required, vistata can be the premium segment but though merger is important from company perspective.
Now handling salary of vistata pilot can be handled other way to solve the issue and end the protest.
Ya
I'm still regretting the decision of choosing CSE over a Commercial Pilot as a career
And I’m regretting choosing ME over CSE .. such regrets are not meant to taken to heart buddy, the grass will always be greener on the other side!
I am regretting taking PCM instead of COMMERCE after looking at fees of prvt colleges😂
@@tanishqchhabra590if you are regretting by seeing fees of private college then check the cost to become a pilot,you will die💀.
@@sushant275why crying bro....get a govt job in engineering domain...u ll be at a better place i suppose.
@@prabhat772 I’m crying because Prabhat doesn’t understand English
Tata took over Big basket and now get all items at prices higher than dmart😢😢😢😢😢. Vegetables are 2 timws more than road side push cart
If course delivery stockings paying taxes cost
Ha to dukaan se kharidalo na
Big Basket is often the cheapest among Zepto, Blinkit, Swiggy Instamart, and Big Basket. I order on an almost daily basis in Bangalore.
That's typical of any sociopath, especially ratan tata.
Didn’t know the current problem of pilots; but air India should cater to India needs and pride! Love to see India succeed in airplane service/ sector!
What do you think... There are 20000+ dgca license holders pilots and the industry has 3500-5000 aircraft in possession or in Projected possession.... With total required strength of 10000-15000 pilots.. Required.. Guess what will happen... Aviation its the most generic product we see on the "things we need shelf" And even a single rupee plus minus change in the ticket cost determines booking or canceling of tickets.
This seems so confusing. Are pilots too much or less
You're telling there is so many pilots available than the flights?
@@PaulBateman69 I don't understand what's he saying
@@PaulBateman69 he thinks there are more pilots but there are more than 25000 cpl approved by dgca but this are total licenses given from date of 1940 . Airline will need new pilots but if junior pilots shows this behaviour there's no hope they maybe can go jobless airline always need captain's and most of them are captain's so it doesn't matter
The number of pilots is higher than required.. And the irony is that the basic pay of pilots is not much.. They get paid only when they fly.. When a pilot can legally fly upto 80 hours per month if you are asking him to fly only for 40 hours you basically have twice the number of pilots you need.. How many of them will go on a strike.. Even if all of them go on a strike.. An airline will 'wet lease' aircraft ( like in this cease) from other airlines with its entire crew.. And dry lease (without crew) its aircraft to other airlines. In 90s the salary of pilots was 4 or 5 times the equivalent aviation engineer. In mid 2000 it's was 3 times today it's not that much higher.. Than that of an engineer.. So demand and supply.. You can go to DGCA websites and see how many aircrafts are there in the country and also see how many pilots are there in the country.. And google the minimum number of pilots recruits required to high efficiently operate that aircraft.. You will find reasoning for my explanation.
Why cant they just increase the salaries of all pilots to vistara's previous salary?
TATA fans would not accept any wrong doings from their beloved company. 😂😂😂
What's wrong here ?
It's not about being a fan. They are a trillion dollar group and have lasted for more than one and a half century and their networth is more than 30 trillion dollars. I am sure they know how to run their company better than you. 😂
The Tata Group can go fuck themselves. I am an employee and their pay is really low. And it’s really old so it’s managed horribly. The sir / madam mentality is fucked up. The work atmosphere in plants and sites are HORRIBLE, especially for the women.
@@akhilkothari729330 trillion dollars kuch jyada nhi ho gya bhai
Tata family wealth came from?? Look it up.
The quality and standards of Vistara airlines has dropped after the merge! It was on par with Singapore Airlines, with their standards.
When I first took Vistara, I really loved it. They even used to give snacks in economy.
Haven't taken it in a long time because the timings don't suit my current trips anymore.
For what it's worth, Akasa is still better than IndiGo.
WOW! So many airline industry experts in the comment section. Tata group sincerely thanks you for your guidance 😂
Everyone treats Ambani, Adani , etc. like they are goons or thugs. I have seen random kids commenting ambani ki jitni net worth h utna to tata ji ne donate kr diya h.
Itna donate krne ke bajay TCS, Air India ke employees ki care kr lete.
Bache to aise support krte h jaise bhagwan ho.
16-17 saal ke bacche kya duniya jaane? Bade hoge to pata chal hi jayega ki ghar me 4 paise na Ambani dega na TATA khud hi kamake lane padenge...
@@shubham4845 sahi baat hai.
He retired from Tata group more than 10 years ago , get your facts right
Bang on buddy. Tata ko bhagvan banake rakha he bacho ne. TCS still highers freshers at 3 lpa. Where is the charity, I don't see free hospitals or schools by TATA. Donation is just for saving taxes. As a middleclass you don't have options.
Arre no no, Ambni-adni are basically chors. Not goons.
They should consider average of both that would be beneficial for both
I'm available, I have close to 200hrs of flying exprience in Flight simulator 😂
😂
Now all flights going to AI code which make ease of business, sale, luggage handling etc, full carrier Air india competitive around world airlines in near future & Airindia Express competitive with low cost carriers Indigo, spicejet, Akasa etc.
Hopefully, the Tata management & Vistara pilot problem will be solved soon.
There is an option to deem their services as critical and essential services due to which the pilots would have to be examined by company doctors deeming them fit or unfit to fly.
Forget short notice in 2-5 yrs too it will be difficult
Yeah man. Never flown on vistara but seen thier flight 2 or 3k emore expensive per person per flight in general
Edit : this was a reply . i commented normally by mistake
The answer is not flat hours but slab hours where some at 70 and some 40 in a bell curve based on performance . So there is constant motivation to go to higher slab and earn more . When excess hours are there due to more top performers , HR and marketing needs to tap this talent by new sectors and frequency . Flights are so full these days . This is a no brainer .
As an employee its unfair to reduce the payroll of an employee just because the parent company acquired another firm.
Why they had to do it in 1st place because there was no profit right?😅
@@andromeda838 that's not right, Vistara right now is not on losses
Other firm ? LOL.
Air India is older than vista .
They just taken it back
Im sure they already had this figured out b4 the merger...all corporates have back up plans for such scenarios.
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Why they Merged Vistara at first placed. It could have remained as upperclass flight
highly unsustainable for company. Less profits.
There are surplus pilots. If given a chance we can support with the required piolts
Mid way compromise needed to avoid the ongoing situation.
Merge it and give an options who wants to stay , lot of pilots are available
I don’t know whether the issue still exists : If yes - Merger is always for better. Richness take into count only for the passengers by providing extra amenities. Fly technology to fly is similar to all. Streamline with effective communications is best approach. Acceptance- Long run perks or some kind of value added stuff. Denied- Should be zero scope in fact where everyone has to be respected. Empathy is always sits on top rated to everyone. Thanks
Basically merger will have to make company policies knowledge transfer.
Also cancellation of vistara airlines are because eventually vistara planes chart will be off and it will be replaced by airindia chart, so cancellation will make people not to book vistara flights.
And yes the merge .issues need to be sorted out offcourse which is the task of vistara managers and talent team to make pilots up understand and study airindia rules and regulations.
You can see more news in business newspaper as well regarding this..
He is Ratan Tata. He thinks from where our thoughts end. Definitely he will come out with flying colors.
It is better to make three divisions under one umbrela of tata aviation
1.economy service class
2.avg service class
3.premium service class
And pay the pilot accordingly.
I am not a aviation expert but just from a common understanding.
If vistara pilot get less pay than what they get now, they will be agitated.
Whatever class a passenger gets in his category, pilot need same skills regardless of food served in aeroplane. So why pilot should accept variation in salary due to food served inside plane ?
They have to work less too
There might be other options that they can consider. Let’s say an option to moonlighting. Just an idea! It might work or it might not.
Both should be maintained as Separate entity with interoperability clause for the time being, till a permanent solution is found.
For interoperability the payments should be made internally
Please mention that they got a 67℅ salary cut while the work cut was just 43℅ so now they get:-
43℅salary for 57℅ of the original work + Pilot experience is very important for promotion and salary increment. Please pin or mention in a separate part.
Raise the bar to 60 hours for Vistara and have it the same for Air India
Why don't you go and work as pilot ? Everyone get the services as they pay, if they reduce the pay they will get the reduced services.
Give interest free loans to candidates to become pilots and increase the supply of pilots in 3-5 years they will able to control employees cost.
The Tata Group should also consider giving Air India and Air Express pilots 70 hours per month plus variable pay. To offset this additional cost, the company could explore reducing the salaries of their airline business's top management in the corporate office.
The people in the top management are more valuable than the Pilots. We can get great pilots pretty easily. But the management staff who are absolutely great are rare. So their salary won't be cut. Pilots also get additional benefits other than salary. Plus they don't have to fly longer now.
If they don't agree there is no dearth of pilots in India. Infact there are more pilots in India than planes.
@@aasamspb967 Yeah, I forgot that in Capitalism, capitalists ensure they always have excess supply/unemployment to make the employed resources work harder, and pay them less to extract maximum profits. While human lives and welfare don't matter.
businesses need to be efficient and make profit, they are not charity. And tata group always treated it's employees better than any other organisation
Merge with Air India and raise the salary of Vistara pilots
My favorite flight on this planet my love for vistara will continue... fabulous staff ... love it's vibe vistara will miss u lobe u for serving me
Vistara will be my favorite airlines forever
I can never forget paris to delhi flight on vistara my most memorable flight
N also outstanding staff of vistara on my greece flight love u vistara
Let pilots shut their and go to job! When you merge only the company can reduce their expenses and be competitive in the market
Pilots will decide that, you don't issue many commands.
Aloke Singh and Vinod Kannan can not replace Mr
Tata's business prudence and concern for his employees. But he is aged and can not look into day to day affair of his companies. The present CEO's are only profit oriented so slowly Tata's empire will die down.
Just 70hrs a month and you are allowed to sleep on the job(when it is on autopilot). We are doing more than 70hrs a week without any complaints.
Imagine being on a flight where the pilot is relying on autopilot to handle critical situations
No pilots are not allowed to sleep during cruise until its a long haul flight even then 2 pilot should be in cockpit all the time
@Dasher:
On long haul flights, there are more than 2 pilots.
Flying hours are calculated differently. You can Google it. Moreover its the stress of the job and criticality which makes it difficult.
@dasher2409
My dear friend, let me state some facts for you.
1. In case of any emergency like an engine failure or a rapid decompression or any major emergency who do you think makes sure that the aircraft lands safely? The pilot does.
2. Since an aircraft flies on autopilot who do you think makes sure the autopilot does its job correctly? The pilot does.
3. In order for an autopilot to work it has to be fed with information. Who do you think tells the autopilot what to do? The pilot does.
4. Who do you think has to be aware and awake every moment of the flight? The pilot has to.
5. Pilots have to be proficient in their job and also the odd timings of their flying. Whether it be a day flight or an afternoon one or a night one.
6. Pilot have to be updated on their knowledge 24/7 and also they have tests every 6 months to check their flying skills.
Same as marine captain
what can u expect from tata group. If anyone knows about the salaries at tcs, this shouldn't come as a surprise
Vistara is really one of best domestic airline companies and was still running in a maintained way. Can still run this way.
Tata should stick to it's decision. Even if the pilots decide to leave Tata, there should be airlines to go to!
Many of Tata ventures are actually big failures. TCS is completely stagnated zero growth. Big basket is too costly vis a vis Reliance Fresh & Dmart. Air India contonues to bleed losses. Let Vistara be a seperate entity and run as a premium airline
Vistara should be made a Premium option. Merger would only reduce standards.
There is no sense in the merger. In place of upgrading AI to Vistara standards, they are downgrading Vistara. Absolutely irrational.
They can be less egoistic and start selling new tata cars for cabs too as it is the quality that builds brand value and nothing else
No use of any protesting
They will eventually find replacement for the pilot shortages
Where are the people who always praise tata 😂😂
If Tata needs to go diabolical then, Tata can accept the demands of the vistaara pilots. Start the functioning and commence mass hiring of yhe pilots in lower salary, increase salaries of Air India pilots to slightly higher level so that they don't leave. Layoff the pilots with high end salaries post mass hiring.
Else if they want to go soft then balance out the salary components of both vistara and air India to a compromising level by increasing budget.
Vistara is flying without any problem, in Europe. ❤Tata/Vistara
come up with a gradually making the hours the same say over 5 years.. it gives more time for pilots and Tatas as well.. it is a win win
I quote myself “PILOTS ARE EMPLOYEES AND EMPLOYEES ARE ALWAYS REPLACEABLE”
Corporate conglomerate do not care for anyone, except profit.
The same goes for Tata group too.
Why Tata Group engage in everything? They should work in their core competencies like Steel, Auto and I.T.
flying is a serious business, hopefully ratan tata and his key people will take thr right decision. I will come to an amicable figures until i find suitable replacements. vistara and tcs are two different segments.
I don't have any idea about work hours of pilots but don't 70 hrs is too much higher thn usual?
Vistara as premium facility should get more incentives so either make Air india similar or transition of pilots on performance pay else change rules of 40 hrs/ month
Middle path... 50 hrs.. For both..
The new owner has the right to make necessary changes as per his new plans for better long term future of the organization. Employees should follow the rules so long as they're not removed/retired.
Call PIA pilots. They are known to have Forged flying licenses since decades. Many looking for jobs 😅
Please don't put Sir Ratan Tata image as your primetime it's his company who's run by many individuals,,,most of youths inspire him alot
Tata is not as said, its does not go with its promises in other sectors like titan eye plus store
Pilots are killing the brand, hurting the airline, NOT the Tata group. Why inverse the situation? Go check how LKY handled Singapore Airlines pilot protests.
Vistara pilots should be sued for bringing down the brand value of a company.
This is pre meditated with intention to destroy the brand. If they don't like the job, then leave.
This reminds me singapur airlines and that godly speech
Good case study in organizational development
If both are Indian companies,,, they must not indulge in the cut throat compitition.... difference must be the least.
Power of Unity❤
I think they reached on conclusion this they don’t need vistara flight they had enough with Air India
Come on. You could've gone with" they've taken a sick leave because they are sick of what's happening at work"
Vistara tickets cost way more than Air India & Air India Express.......... So does the pilot have their point for not having a steep cut in their pay....... And Vistara is premium flight compared to rest of the budget airlines and is almost on time...... I am afraid about Air India.......... And if tata wants to pay the same scale for both pilots then do the same with the fares too.
Just had bad experience with Air India yesterday, they may have become TATA but their behaviour, service , quality is still Sarkari
If Tata merges Vistara with Air India, we should accept it as a business decision. Only they are entitled to that decision. Vistara is not some Indian institution that needs saving, nor is Vistara 'being killed' as the video title wrongly alleges. In a competitive environment, mergers and splits are what keeps businesses afloat. Also Tatas have to keep their shareholders' welfare in mind. Some decades ago, the government of India had taken the 'business' decision to merge the then Indian Airlines with Air India for various reasons.
It is certainly believable about the Company like TATA that higher salary to the pilots would result in huge losses of the company. So the pilots should sit with the management to find an amicable solution accepting some sacrifices for keeping the company live.
Joining Tatas would be better in the long run. 40 hrs means they will get paid earlier right...!
No problem, jobless are more than the protesting pilot ❤, and why Air India will get less, Air India plz fight for 75 now ❣️
Merging two brands of similar service was suicidal. Low cost airline n premium service airline is the only option to keep employees happy yet service customers
Air India will be premium and Air India Express will be Low Cost. Tata care about both types. What are you talking about?
Those 25 pilots should not be back in service.
Let SIA Group who are shareholders to manage both Airlines.
For Merger and acquisitions this is quite normal
vistara should compete with Air India and maintain its identity as a premium airline.
I liked the unity amongst pilots
There are so many pilots available here. If they don't agree with Tata then they can kiss their job goodbye. Tata can hire someone else.
@@aasamspb967 undoubtedly talent is abundance in India but all positions cannot be filled at once and definitely that’s loss for Tata on a temporary basis
@@tanuja14rose key words :- temporary basis
Well, Tata should revert back to 70 hours and force the pilots to work 70 hours without fail.
Even if they are not needed, fill them up on the flight.
Do that for an year or so, that should solve the problem.
You cannot force pilots to fly for certain hrs
@@Cloud47Plus Then how can the company be forced to pay for hours that the pilots didn't fly the plane?
Keep Vistara and Aur India separate. Although both under Tata but Vistara employees were not told if they acquire Air India the changes will be as per Air India
The Air india logo used in this video is the old one, pls use the new logo from the next time
Instead of protesting, the pilots should resign and look for better options elsewhere. The TATAS, though would be at a loss temporarily, can improve its performance in the long term.
Haha I can actually relate the scenario to my company n payroll....but only difference is we don't have any support for a protest 😮😢
Tata should compensate the right salary to Vistara Pilots on which they were initially hired. For new hirings they can keep the current salary of tata group.