George Soros Lecture Series: General Theory of Reflexivity

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  • Open Society Foundations chairman and founder George Soros shares his latest thinking on economics and politics in a five-part lecture series recorded at Central European University, October 26-30, 2009. The lectures are the culmination of a lifetime of practical and philosophical reflection.
    Soros discusses his general theory of reflexivity and its application to financial markets, providing insights into the recent financial crisis. The third and fourth lectures examine the concept of open society, which has guided Soros's global philanthropy, as well as the potential for conflict between capitalism and open society. The closing lecture focuses on the way ahead, examining the increasingly important economic and political role that China will play in the future.
    Learn more and watch the lecture series: www.opensocietyfoundations.org...

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  • @danielcarter491
    @danielcarter491 Год назад +166

    “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it."
    H.L. Mencken

    • @Cjnw
      @Cjnw Год назад +1

      #Emberiség

    • @posttyped11
      @posttyped11 Год назад +16

      Listening to his choice of words, he's definitely full of himself, even self-important. Money has diminishing returns after 1/2 billion dollars. The best the world offers... food, experience, etc is capped at that amount, and after that, some of these billionaires turn their meaning-of-life seeking energies to influencing and controlling humanity. I wish they'd leave us alone.

    • @timothyspence9009
      @timothyspence9009 Год назад +2

      "Crongress=cronies....the military is the only way!"

    • @ChannelMath
      @ChannelMath Год назад

      @@timothyspence9009 who are you quoting?

    • @ChannelMath
      @ChannelMath Год назад +2

      Mencken was a wit but I don't find him deeply insightful. Pessimism always sounds sophisticated, but take this saying to it's logical conclusion, and it's Ayn Rand

  • @stevezane7920
    @stevezane7920 Год назад +27

    Rich man imposing his philosophy on the world. In a nut shell.

    • @LeeZaslofsky
      @LeeZaslofsky 9 месяцев назад

      By giving a lecture? Where are his armies, his bombs, his artillery, his ships? What punishments does he inflict on those who don't obey him?
      The man is expressing his views. Yes, he is very rich. You can listen to him or tune him out. He has no power over you. He is not interested in ruling the world. He is interested, now that he has made his pile of money, in promoting freedom of speech and the other basic freedoms.
      He is now a man in his 90s, probably pretty frail. He probably doesn't have the energy to get up every morning and rule the world. He probably is happy if he can get a good breakfast and relieve himself without too much strain.
      He is a successful capitalist. He started out poor and had the smarts and the luck to make himself rich. Isn't that the way capitalism is supposed to work?
      Let's face it, the main thing that most of his enemies hold against him is not his wealth-- there are many people as rich as he is, or richer -- by the fact that he is a Jew.
      For some people the very words "rich Jew" are deeply upsetting. The most prominent holder of this view was Adolf Hitler, who rose form the streets to rule a major country, and used his power to murder as many Jews as he could -- about 6 million of them.
      The people who hate Soros are like Hitler in their hatred of Jews, especially rich Jews. They are vicious people, murderous, filled with hate and rage. Luckily most of them are too weak or too stupid or too cowardly to do anything about their hatred. They just like to express it. They hope that another Hitler will come along and do their dirty work for them.
      These people would crucify Christ all over again if they had the chance. After all, he too was a Jew.

  • @kckc4258
    @kckc4258 11 месяцев назад +10

    The principle of fallibility and reflexivity reminded me of the central dogma of psychology/neurobiology " Your brain affects your environment, and your environment affects your brain".

  • @tommyharmon214
    @tommyharmon214 3 года назад +47

    Putting aside negative opinions. These talks are a testament and demonstrates the power of philosophy and critical thinking. Maybe that’s why it’s always being described a “useless “degree, to push people away from something that is very powerful when utilized correctly.

    • @onewotldgovernmentonlywhen9044
      @onewotldgovernmentonlywhen9044 3 года назад +4

      Depending what it is. He talks about manipulative function

    • @richardsmith7917
      @richardsmith7917 2 года назад

      Anyone that came from the holocaust and talks about mass manipulation is in a postion to help history repeat itself! Anyone that fancies himself is never a good people person especially in postions of power! But really haven't they always done that?

    • @sp123
      @sp123 10 месяцев назад +2

      Philosophy is a luxury for people wealthy enough to think all day instead of working like stoics

    • @tommyharmon214
      @tommyharmon214 10 месяцев назад +3

      Stoicism IS Philosophy.

    • @ukaszwojtalik8198
      @ukaszwojtalik8198 6 месяцев назад

      ​@@sp123no, it's the curse actualy, look at this wealthy idiots, he rly thinks he is something new and fresh... in reality he is an old fart, who is using fancy words to cover old fashist shaizzzzzz he he he he

  • @jakecarlo9950
    @jakecarlo9950 Год назад +11

    “I contend that the slavish imitation of natural science inevitably leads to the distortion of human and social phenomena.” The man’s on point right there.

    • @daluxe2000
      @daluxe2000 Год назад

      Well to be honest the Anglosaksian self correcting mechanisme to compete with the imaginairy science will lead to opportunisme of self awareness therefor troubling the mind to the point of falsefied view on scientific argued reality. It will bring participants in conflict with non binary principles and cause a false view on the subject. However if it is and stays in line with scientific laws and proved by testing it is verifiable. Predictions will only be rational if they follow that principle and create a symmetrie as a concept for supreme simplicity as a central rol in relative knowledgement. Very strong arguments that professor Soros is trying to make us believe here. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😴

  • @diogenestheshadow-banned2322
    @diogenestheshadow-banned2322 Год назад +44

    Some people are frightened by Jason Vorhees, Michael Myers, Freddy Kruger etc.. but I assure you there are no 2 words that warrant more terror than "Billionare philanthropist"

    • @Antifacio
      @Antifacio Год назад +2

      Sam Bankman Fried created concept of efficient altruism to help world as mutch us possible. At the end he donated most to the politicians in charge of finance regulation.

    • @maximt1401
      @maximt1401 Год назад

      @@Antifacio and a good amount of $$ to his parents too

    • @LeeZaslofsky
      @LeeZaslofsky 9 месяцев назад

      Yeah, that awful Andrew Carnegie was a real bastard, the way he built libraries all over the US out of his own money. And Bill Gates is a bastard for funding the distribution of AIDS medication and treatment all over the world.
      I know what you would do if you had a billion dollars. You wouldn't be a philanthropist -- of course not! Not one penny to the poor, the sick, the hungry, the persecuted!
      No, you would buy estates and yachts and golf courses and employ lovely girls (or boys) to serve you and give you nice "happy endings", to cook delicious meals, and to write books and articles that will express your contempt for philanthropy far and wide.
      Because selfishness is GOOD. Helping others is a sickness.

    • @A_friend_of_Aristotle
      @A_friend_of_Aristotle 3 месяца назад

      @@Antifacio ...and no one is blaming the ideas behind "Effective Altruism." Ideas are what people act upon. SBF's altruism is why he's in jail, and why his investors and customers are poorer than they were before they met him.

  • @phily8020
    @phily8020 3 года назад +29

    This is the sort of video, that if you can get your head around will make you very wealthy.

  • @Kevinsungeun
    @Kevinsungeun Год назад +23

    21:09 David Hume
    39:48 Karl Popper
    44:10 Sigmund Freud
    44:34 Karl Marx
    46:13 Economica

  • @sahngcobo
    @sahngcobo Год назад +15

    This is a breakdown of the mind and how we think .... We take this for granted but this is where we need to think

    • @timothyspence9009
      @timothyspence9009 Год назад

      " 1982, George Soros, anything goes 👇, nice 🌬️ Job, Wall Street said, and the temple of Doom"!

    • @dbsteve3152
      @dbsteve3152 Год назад

      Absolutely

  • @jamesha6419
    @jamesha6419 5 лет назад +18

    How many people here fully understand his lecture?

    • @Julia-Julia
      @Julia-Julia 3 года назад +16

      It is impossible to understand because it is a nightmare of a crazy and demonic person!

    • @helenajennings4912
      @helenajennings4912 3 года назад +7

      Communism

    • @francescoghizzo
      @francescoghizzo 2 года назад +5

      It's actually not that hard to understand

    • @federicogarcia-hangseninte3690
      @federicogarcia-hangseninte3690 2 года назад +9

      The people that did, will not reply to your question

    • @charlizezarahsmith4537
      @charlizezarahsmith4537 Год назад +1

      He is a real honest filantropist!
      😅😅😂😂😂🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️!

  • @twosongs7396
    @twosongs7396 2 года назад +10

    Subjectivity = Perception while Objectivity = Reality, I agree, completely. Personal (past) experience, passions, misinterpretation and prejudices affect one’s perception, which often are NOT congruent with actual Reality.
    Please correct me if I misunderstood you
    Example: It will be extremely difficult for a person used to being robbed by others to trust even those whom are fundamentally honest (who in representing the true Reality, do not reflect that person’s Reality or least his/her own Perception of Reality, “Perception” being the keyword, here)
    The rest of what you speak of reminds me of Schrödinger’s Cat, where we corrupt Truth/Reality by OBSERVING it.
    I’m really enjoying this talk. I will most certainly seek the following ones you offer. I will also be getting your book “The Alchemy of Finance”

  • @Schoolship.
    @Schoolship. 3 года назад +23

    I know this is ten years old. I just stopped by to give this video the middle finger quick. now I'll be going to listen to people who don't hate humanity.

    • @ouxu597
      @ouxu597 2 года назад +6

      lol cry

    • @johnrolling6569
      @johnrolling6569 2 года назад +6

      Amen! He is a sociopath completely disconnected from reality he thinks he is reality

    • @armyofimrankhanpti1516
      @armyofimrankhanpti1516 2 года назад +1

      ruclips.net/video/c8yiM-uI0nI/видео.html

    • @cherylspencer3662
      @cherylspencer3662 2 года назад +2

      Amen

    • @Estimated
      @Estimated 2 года назад

      @@why4308 He left that part out.

  • @LDacic
    @LDacic 2 года назад +11

    TLDR: market participants and policy makers are irrational and the over/under valuations of certain asset classes reflect that irrationality through bubbles.

  • @DeborahJB
    @DeborahJB 4 года назад +8

    So sounds like he knows his statements can have negative effects on markets but since the participants also have a role to play he has no guilt.

  • @mathaithomas2816
    @mathaithomas2816 2 года назад +2

    Since I am not an economist most of the lecture was incomprehensible

  • @bibibibi9457
    @bibibibi9457 6 лет назад +31

    SUPER THANK YOU-the basic enlightment I achieved from listening to George soros, is 'know thy enemy'-manipulate their weaknesses, hence all wealth will be YOURS!

    • @papajay111
      @papajay111 4 года назад +3

      BOT CITY!

    • @docducttape9270
      @docducttape9270 4 года назад +1

      Yeah, just take it from the people being hauled off to be killed.
      ruclips.net/video/X9tKvasRO54/видео.html

    • @armyofimrankhanpti1516
      @armyofimrankhanpti1516 2 года назад

      ruclips.net/video/c8yiM-uI0nI/видео.html

  • @rubensnijder7069
    @rubensnijder7069 6 лет назад +67

    This works in people as well - when I was younger I used to make drawings and when I showed them to my teacher she said I was a genius. But she said that of everyones drawings! The positive feedback loop I got made me think I was quite brilliant (in my own bubble). Long story short; I was no genius

    • @artjomaltenhof9691
      @artjomaltenhof9691 4 года назад +8

      This was a simple lie and not a positive feedback loop. You didn’t understand Soros lesson.

    • @Yatukih_001
      @Yatukih_001 4 года назад +7

      If you want to be a genius you do like me. You study other geniuses. Then you master their technique. Then you choose which one you´d like to make a drawing or a painter like. Then you invent new things. Most people stop at the point of just studying other geniuses but do not make any new things. For example if you want to study Leonardo Da Vinci, you can not just study him and make no drawing that is like his on your own.

    • @fasihz
      @fasihz 4 года назад

      This is quite like the Pygmalion effect.

    • @hedgehogpancakes6174
      @hedgehogpancakes6174 4 года назад +6

      You're not looking at the bigger picture it's not about the individual

    • @KillerMcDiller
      @KillerMcDiller 3 года назад +8

      wut I don’t think your seeing the bigger picture like hearing but not listening, no mass population should ever be subjected to mass thought manipulation or told how to think. He’s preaching an open society but he is talking about controlling HOW people think or how they should live. That for example is why America is for and about freedom to live and think freely, his foundations are by force trying to manipulate or tell you HOW you or a society how to think. I don’t give a shit about his story or life. America is just fine without him or his socialist ideas. FUCK GEORGE SOROS.

  • @AisaKlubbz
    @AisaKlubbz 7 лет назад +13

    Understand that his theory is revolutionary since prior understanding of behaviour in the financial market is that participants act in their best interest. This is obviously wrong. Human beings on a day-to-day basis will act against their own self-interest. Reflexivity only has more moving parts in explaining this concept.

    • @fitnesspoint2006
      @fitnesspoint2006 5 лет назад +1

      Not true all the finacial pudits of old clamied the markets are emotionally driven and predictable its in recent times the claim that markets are rational and fair. The Japanese candlesticks are an example of reading emotional buying and selling pressures from the 18th century.

    • @armyofimrankhanpti1516
      @armyofimrankhanpti1516 2 года назад

      ruclips.net/video/c8yiM-uI0nI/видео.html

  • @GNeis7345
    @GNeis7345 7 месяцев назад +2

    Super lecture, i am learning in my elderly years a little bit here and there.

  • @Troglodyte2021
    @Troglodyte2021 3 года назад +5

    Interesting talk!

  • @wilhelmhesse1348
    @wilhelmhesse1348 2 года назад +17

    Non scripted, straight and flowing perfectly from the brain. This man is highly intelligent.

    • @TroyWhatcott
      @TroyWhatcott 2 года назад +6

      Reading it all from a teleprompter 😂

    • @davidburrows4801
      @davidburrows4801 Год назад

      destroyer

    • @albertawheat6832
      @albertawheat6832 Год назад +1

      You don't have to be that smart, to manipulate lesser intelligent people.

    • @daluxe2000
      @daluxe2000 Год назад

      Most evil person the world has known.

    • @saytax
      @saytax 5 месяцев назад

      ​@@ssgdhgsdfff8887lol, holy crap.

  • @earthstick
    @earthstick 6 лет назад +18

    After a 1/2 hour there is nothing new or inspired. I realised this by 10.

  • @aconsideredmoment
    @aconsideredmoment 10 месяцев назад

    The sound quality is extraordinary. Thank you!!!!

  • @chefmemesupreme
    @chefmemesupreme 2 года назад +1

    "results that reinforce the distortion" - like this lecture

  • @boobus11
    @boobus11 4 года назад +10

    Why in the world did this show up in my queue?!

  • @darkMuffin31
    @darkMuffin31 4 года назад +18

    Set the playback speed to 2x and it will make more sense.

  • @DeborahJB
    @DeborahJB 4 года назад +6

    Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle but as relates to Economics.

  • @kristinamikhailova1659
    @kristinamikhailova1659 Год назад +14

    “Policy-oriented philanthropist” 😂😂😂👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

    • @timothyspence9009
      @timothyspence9009 Год назад

      "Happy New year, 🎇 old Testament Revealed, the New Testament say, hmmm, 🧐 Omni Bill Gates blocked, hmmm 🤔, Yoda say..."

  • @fightington
    @fightington 3 года назад +5

    When you have read Ken Wilber, you no longer need to hear any other philosophy, it's game over.
    After that it is time to practice disidentification with thought and realization of being as the ground of reality
    Only from awareness can any true change come and any worthwhile society be created, or anything worthy to be created

    • @dennismarin2351
      @dennismarin2351 2 года назад

      What should I start reading from Wilber? Any advice?

    • @epic6434
      @epic6434 2 года назад

      And who set's the standards for these worthy to be created if you could kindly provide. I just think the influence of the reporting in multiple factors are defamatory if you're believing in the world I can't see for myself to make anyone my God.

    • @Jukau
      @Jukau 4 месяца назад

      Why could ken not demonstrate his own knowledge in this time

  • @BinanceUSD
    @BinanceUSD 3 года назад +3

    Down the rabbit hole of individual freedom

    • @johnrolling6569
      @johnrolling6569 2 года назад

      Or collective identity that is a complete myth

  • @AlvaSudden
    @AlvaSudden 3 года назад +3

    Social sciences suffer from the suspicion that they are not as precise as natural science. Soros says social sciences are in fact imprecise, but this can be used to advantage. Perception can influence what is observed in a social science, and the ways that perception vary results can be studied.

  • @GhostOnTheHalfShell
    @GhostOnTheHalfShell 2 года назад +2

    Reflexivity makes a point analogous to the Buddhist tenet: Attachment leads to dukkha. Particularly in the US, the field of economics is not one of inquiry but proselytization. It is functional not reflective.

  • @betam8815
    @betam8815 4 года назад +14

    He skipped the introduction part where he helped Nazis to seized Jewish people's wealth while the Jewish people were send in the death camp. He said this on his interview.

    • @durshutt8359
      @durshutt8359 4 года назад

      Hi, I remember my dad told me about this interview and I'm wondering if you have the video saved anywhere?

  • @revpgesqredux
    @revpgesqredux 2 года назад +3

    Time is a variable in every "testing" and in the uncertainties of every tester and observer - in physics as well...

    • @gwho
      @gwho Год назад

      not in physics. only when you get to quantum or relativistic tests. you're often testing reproducible principles.

    • @bobleclair5665
      @bobleclair5665 Год назад

      Hejira, what about the double slit experiment ?

  • @zvxcvxcz
    @zvxcvxcz 2 года назад +2

    Ah, hearing Soros talk about reflexivity makes it make sense (Patrick Boyle's description was pretty vague). If I were to rephrase my understanding so far I would say that it is akin to the concept of the self-fulfilling prophecy.

  • @spencermenken5671
    @spencermenken5671 Год назад +6

    We need a book or movie about the adventures of Soros' father!

  • @thejalliethstory7014
    @thejalliethstory7014 11 месяцев назад +7

    This guy is a straight up G I don’t what anyone else says. That was all off the top of his head

  • @annecook4067
    @annecook4067 3 года назад +6

    A lifetime of reflecting on how people do things based on thier perception of reality or a lifetime contemplating this theory and how you can impress people's perception of reality to do what benefits you? Why are we calling him genius?

    • @jayjayndebele3686
      @jayjayndebele3686 2 года назад

      Cause he just passed you game now use it🤣

    • @manojku232
      @manojku232 Год назад +2

      Because he didn't just write about it like most arm chair philosophers. He used it to nearly break a bank and brought a government to it knees.
      He also used it to win wars in some part of the world even before it began. How often do u see a philosopher execute his philosophy in real world and make real impact. ? Very rare.

    • @yukimurashun
      @yukimurashun 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@manojku232 exactly.

  • @richardsmith7917
    @richardsmith7917 2 года назад +1

    We need a society of freedom and thoughts?

  • @Yo1982p
    @Yo1982p 3 месяца назад

    Sir. GS, i'm just starting studying your theory, and as you said it is really abstract and difficult to follow, because we need a very deep diving to process such as brilliant detailed information. It seems that is a whole life construction, thankyou for sharing the experience and Congatulations for such a human contribution.

  • @chris-dx6oh
    @chris-dx6oh Год назад +7

    I find myself coming back to this video over and over… someday it will be regarded as the classic it really is. Thank you George for this amazing contribution to understanding what it is to be human. Everything clicks when you practice critically thinking with these principles. The greatest speculator to have ever done it 🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐

    • @timothyspence9009
      @timothyspence9009 Год назад

      "I go to parties sometimes till 4, it's hard to leave when you can't find the door..they say I'm lucky but I take All my time, .. ohh yeah... life's been good to me far.. YEAH yeah 😎.. YEAH 😂👍😎...!

    • @timothyspence9009
      @timothyspence9009 Год назад

      *please listen 👂 too, Song life's been good to me far, kid, grab a snow ❄️ summit board 🛹😂👍😎, devolution dude... everyone Sirf in now, common a safari with..."Jannah MIA And Big Bear City CA USA class of 1995.. Shaun white 🤍 was still in diapers... safari with Janna Miah and me.....make a note 🎶 welcome to the club 🦵🤠 duhh 🦉 club 🦵 , 13..13.. colonies Free Mason's AMERICA MAGA AMEN AMERICA!"

    • @timothyspence9009
      @timothyspence9009 Год назад

      "Shawn White tending to his old knee cap 🎓
      Get a Clue 🧩, we are only pilgrims passing through and Young 🌱 once in a lifetime, please Snow Board with fuckin fun 😊.... Sincerely MAGA AMEN AMERICA AMEN "!

    • @timothyspence9009
      @timothyspence9009 Год назад

      "this is too George Soros, like kids r we, taking your grand daughter on the slopes..and a prom in Big Bear City CA USA 😎, Old Testament Concealed and the new Testament Revealed is the Bible... Grand Central banking parent... please....let go and wedding ring 💍 GOD is this Palpatine Soros, I'm still dating your Snow Board ING Grand daughter Palpatine Soros..make a note 🎶 welcome to the club 🦵😉..star ship enterprise spangled banner 🎋.. Palpatine Soros...! Happy New year, make a note 🎶 welcome to the club and God bless America USA MAGA again AMEN!"
      .

  • @chessdad182
    @chessdad182 4 года назад +4

    Insightful

    • @jett3332
      @jett3332 3 года назад

      Ya, but your an indoctrinated communist. Stay home.

  • @mowi33
    @mowi33 4 месяца назад

    13 years ago and still as relevant

  • @LaureanoLuna
    @LaureanoLuna 7 лет назад +5

    He seems to be suggesting that theories have a blindspot because they are themselves determinants of the reality they mean to describe and they cannot take their own determining influence into account but I'd say he never states it in any definite way.

  • @Metroid28
    @Metroid28 7 лет назад +111

    Separate the art from the artist. Even if you don't like the guy his ideas are definitely worth hearing.

    • @captainpearly3994
      @captainpearly3994 3 года назад +4

      I never thought the art was separate from the artist if it was by his design. An extension, if you will, on some evolved creative level.

    • @liamfrith2018
      @liamfrith2018 3 года назад +13

      @Teresa Gerhardt chill it’s not that deep

    • @moirangthemvikassingh6175
      @moirangthemvikassingh6175 3 года назад +8

      @Teresa Gerhardt he is jew . How can he be nazi ?

    • @franktranks9445
      @franktranks9445 3 года назад +4

      @@moirangthemvikassingh6175 Come on, man. Don't you understand the laws of logic bend to suit you when you're a conspiracy theorist?

    • @nikc888
      @nikc888 3 года назад +4

      @@moirangthemvikassingh6175 During ww2 he changed his name and worked with the nazi's. He actually helped them rob the possessions of other Jews. When asked if he felt any guilt for this in a sixty minutes interview in the nineties he sad , "no". The justification he gave was something along the lines that If he hadn't done it someone else would. He's no practising Nazi but he is truly evil.

  • @BobWidlefish
    @BobWidlefish 5 лет назад +3

    19:00 equilibrium economic theory.

  • @JCResDoc94
    @JCResDoc94 7 лет назад +2

    48:44 dichotomy accepted

  • @jamalalafgani1137
    @jamalalafgani1137 2 года назад

    i using this theory in math by calculated with syncronitation function. it gives me better prediction

  • @GuyMitchell007
    @GuyMitchell007 4 года назад +4

    He says so much without saying anything at all.

  • @vivianoosthuizen8990
    @vivianoosthuizen8990 4 года назад +18

    You can know a man by his actions

  • @nicholasgeorge1384
    @nicholasgeorge1384 2 года назад +5

    He should have been on yes Minister .

  • @zhess4096
    @zhess4096 3 года назад +14

    Well, his point is right. Economics by nature is a social science. It is not as exact as engineering, physics, or computer science. Understanding economics needs psychology, biology, and philosophy, but it needs numbers and models to those theories. These economic theories are not exact and we should not treat them like the laws of gravity because economics is very new and not set on stone. It needs to be dynamic.

    • @themaskedman221
      @themaskedman221 2 года назад +1

      No one ever said economics is 'exact'. Very few sciences are as 'exact' as physics, and even there quantum mechanics isn't exact.

    • @zhess4096
      @zhess4096 2 года назад

      @@themaskedman221 Quantum mechanics is pretty exact. It's one of the most accurate theories to date

    • @zhess4096
      @zhess4096 2 года назад

      @@themaskedman221 I don't think you understand quantum mechanics lol

    • @themaskedman221
      @themaskedman221 2 года назад +1

      @@zhess4096 Quantum logic is _probability theory,_ and thus quantum mechanics is a theory about the statistical distribution of possible outcomes of measurements in atomic and subatomic systems (ie, atoms and subatomic particles). It is the _least_ exact of the physical sciences by the very nature of probability (probability theory is, in a literal sense, the "science of uncertainty").
      " I don't think you understand quantum mechanics lol"
      You don't _think_ anything about this subject, because you don't know what you're talking about. Nor does Soros understand the nature of the natural sciences vs economics. He clings to Popper's philosophical theories as if they are immovable objects, and then completely misapplies them .

    • @zhess4096
      @zhess4096 2 года назад

      @@themaskedman221 Exactly, you could the say stuff about the social sciences, but sociology, economics, and political science, but they rely on psychology and human behavior.
      We are arguing in semantics here so I digress. Exact isn't the proper word, but precise is the better word.
      Mathematics and logic are not natural sciences, but they are the most precise science we have.
      Quantum mechanics is the most precise natural science we have. We have problems with measurement, but it has a high probability of predictions. It has been tried and tested.
      Above that we have physics and general relativity. Then chemistry, biology, and neuroscience, psychology.
      Above those are economics and other social sciences? Are we okay with that?

  • @nighthawkviper6791
    @nighthawkviper6791 5 лет назад +10

    The knot of His tie just so happens depict the Kaballah Tree of Life! Synchronicity! Thank you for including these lectures, they are invaluable to me.

    • @laurentambeau5543
      @laurentambeau5543 3 года назад

      Wow good eye, it really does look like it. Guarantee this douche bag is all about the esoteric teachings of the kabbalah. It is a fascinating subject though. The practitioners of that science just happen to be running the whole world right now so maybe there's something to it.

    • @armyofimrankhanpti1516
      @armyofimrankhanpti1516 2 года назад

      ruclips.net/video/c8yiM-uI0nI/видео.html

    • @nathanthemoneyman9191
      @nathanthemoneyman9191 2 года назад +2

      Breaking News: George Soros announces he is part of a satanic conspiracy by wearing a tie!

  • @dongjitoni2975
    @dongjitoni2975 6 лет назад +24

    When this guy puts his theories in action, economies fall and millions starve.

    • @tnndll4294
      @tnndll4294 5 лет назад +2

      Why listen to a so-called "intelectual" when he's always been on the wrong side of history.
      The 20th Century was America's century and Western Civilization. And within that both Jews and Germans made comebacks from WW2. He's upset about that.

    • @user-ro2th2sk5k
      @user-ro2th2sk5k 4 года назад +1

      But you do nothing neither besides watching RUclips.

  • @AngryJock1982
    @AngryJock1982 12 лет назад +4

    'Philosophy isn't very professional'? Read a book or some journal articles. Basing economic theory on totally unrealistic assumptions is not only unprofessional it's damaging to the real world economy. What he is say isn't original but it's definitely true. Look up intersubjectivity and performativity. Perception moves the markets fact: Option Pricing Theory is an obvious an verifiable example.

  • @_N0_0ne
    @_N0_0ne Год назад

    Thank you

  • @legoguy217
    @legoguy217 4 года назад +31

    Honestly, if you put the politics aside and pay close attention, he's actually insanely insightful.

    • @jett3332
      @jett3332 3 года назад +7

      BIG NO!

    • @ashishmanavarthe1476
      @ashishmanavarthe1476 3 года назад +1

      take that back right now

    • @antviv
      @antviv 2 года назад

      duh. evidenced by the fact that youtube comments have a low distribution of fund managers

    • @MBB563
      @MBB563 2 года назад +1

      sure if you are a communist.

    • @brainbomb.
      @brainbomb. 2 года назад +1

      Translation:
      CO-MU-KNEES'M GOO'D.

  • @kurdistankardo126
    @kurdistankardo126 5 лет назад +13

    16:45 he was waiting for applause

  • @revpgesqredux
    @revpgesqredux 2 года назад +2

    Id love to see his proof that Heisenberg uncertainty principle not changing particle behavior... Those experiments were percepts that became shared percepts, and they might very well change things

    • @revpgesqredux
      @revpgesqredux 2 года назад +1

      In fact he thinks he's so slick that he can gloss over the fact that Heisenberg uncertainty principle proves dispositively that science can never find Truth. ROFL

  • @JohnG-gd8yv
    @JohnG-gd8yv 2 года назад +2

    Hi Mr. Soros, Your concepts on Thought-Passion and Consciousness needs expanding, it is incorrect in my view. The mind is not material as you think, the mind is knowledge it is existence, ever-expanding and ever-growing. Look inside of you to see how you evolved, you are mind, like all of us. Economics is a measurement of naturalization of human activity. Already knowledgeable, but our bodies is what gives us human emotional based behaviors and habits. However, it is always subject to change. And, subject to a reflective reactive concepts. It is subject also to the mind capacity which itself is a learned traits of the society. If you read literature by ancients, doesnt it strike a strange feeling their complexity in language at a time we thought them to be more impulsive ? How we think matters more than what we know. But, your concepts are really good from your perspective and Really well worth learning. thank you.

  • @antoine8194
    @antoine8194 3 года назад +3

    reflexivity is very interesting in the crypto market, wich is mainly driven by people fear and influence

  • @murk4heart
    @murk4heart 7 лет назад +9

    So his theory sounds like a word play reflecting the same Mr Market idea of Benjamin graham ... in still waiting to see what so unique and different ..

    • @JamminStuff
      @JamminStuff 4 года назад +1

      So would you say I could study that and skip Georgie's speech?

    • @kevinparsley6806
      @kevinparsley6806 4 года назад +1

      the difference is actually gone over in the alchemy of finance. written by soros

  • @cemsil
    @cemsil 10 месяцев назад

    reflexive (= showing that the person who does the action is also the person who is affected by it) is "What you put out is what you get back" or a characterization of one of Isaac's pillar laws, like the legs on a chair or a table that are not too many as to not prevent someone from being able to fit their legs beneath it because of there being the presence of too many legs. Similarly, via the phenomenon of auto-synchronizing metronomes, the presence of 2 wheels (illustration alternative to pillars) are needed for there to be a stabilizing balance. A different circumstance needing an assortment of conditions to be fulfilled, among which is ones of a number aesthetically few and versatile

    • @cemsil
      @cemsil 10 месяцев назад

      He says uncertainty is the key feature of human affairs not confidence/certainty, which makes sense because confidence/certainty doesn't carry as much weight room as a word or concept including degree and a sense of accurateness. If anything they are at least equals, certainty and doubt (19:40). The former is like "1" without degradation or variation whereas doubt does - it is the one with variation, description or information. Confidence has degrees too or is also of capability but he makes a good point.

  • @DianaLuckysova
    @DianaLuckysova 3 года назад +20

    The lecture has broken my brain a little bit;) but I liked the point where he talks about how participants, who are responsible for the very reality they are creating, cannot grasp its complexity, and resort to generalizations, labels etc. I think that's why there are so many trolling comments on this video.

    • @onetwothree4148
      @onetwothree4148 3 года назад +6

      He's a controversial figure. As someone who only read the Alchemy Of Finance recently, I have to agree that it's philosophically interesting, but not particularly deep or profound.
      I recall understanding the concept of reflexivity as a child trading baseball cards and rather regard the book as an easy way for Soros to make money off of people who have never given one serious thought to the subject of finance.
      I can't imagine that many top financiers really doubted the validity of reflexivity, even if they made money pretending otherwise. And that he knows this, I think that's where the conspiracies about Soros come from...

    • @VonJay
      @VonJay 3 года назад +10

      @@onetwothree4148 I'm a black male and have known about high and low reflexivity for a while. For me, it's rather interesting that he speaks on reflexivity and backs groups like BLM and Prison Reform.
      I don't believe in race at all, and I think it's purpose is solely to highlight differences in people. Through social proof, in a low reflexive phase, people follow others just because of the way they look. High reflexive social proof phases allow others to look towards character, which is obviously less superficial than skin color.
      That is why it is very odd that he backs BLM, knowing spectrum of reflexivity.
      If he's not being sinister, he probably knows a way to break low reflexivity in the black community, and isn't showing his full hand.
      He's aware of some plot to do harm to minority communities and sought to reinforce solidarity or hive mind thinking, showing strength through numbers.
      If he is being sinister, I can only see this as the negative branding of blacks, or a way for him to make money (idk why black police shootings get more air time than white ones on the news), etc.
      If he's aloof, then he's just one of the many people who believe in race and cannot think outside of that box

    • @onetwothree4148
      @onetwothree4148 3 года назад +5

      @@VonJay interesting take. I'd assume he's like most people and never questioned racial politics in his life. People are very religious about that topic and tend to merely reinforce whatever they already believe about that. And you're right, many famous wealthy people are too morally insecure to risk taking any controversial stances on those topics, even if they do think otherwise

    • @jayjayndebele3686
      @jayjayndebele3686 2 года назад +2

      You smart😂

    • @VonJay
      @VonJay 2 года назад +4

      @@cuttyflam6136 yeah it's very weird. However, Steve Bannon actually worked for Cambridge Analytica, the company which pushed the most amount of Brexit propaganda. Brexit imo served as a petri dish for the 2016 US elections. It was an absolute masterful propaganda campaign. It even used intersectionality to stemmy the feminist movement.
      The biggest problem I have is massive amounts of people aren't smart enough to know that they're being manipulated. In what way is it productive for the feminist movement, to talk about the intersectional differences between treatment of woman based on color. That conversation has the ability to impedes the emotional inertia of the overall movement.

  • @satrapclete3067
    @satrapclete3067 10 лет назад +3

    I wish he would comment on Peak Oil and its effect on the Petro Dollar

  • @cindymcconnell5864
    @cindymcconnell5864 2 года назад +21

    "Do you see a person wise in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him" Proverbs .26:12
    Woe to those who are wise in the eyes of their soul and are intelligent in front of their own faces! Isaiah 5: 21
    He that oppresseth the poor to increase his riches, and he that giveth to the rich, shall surely come to want. Proverbs 22:16

    • @pedro97w
      @pedro97w 2 года назад

      Thank you Cindy

    • @larrymaulsby1711
      @larrymaulsby1711 2 года назад +3

      Just sit back, smoke your crack and just accept the bullshit he vomits. His judgement of perfect is far from perfect, this reptilian needs to be dropped off in the middle of Antarctica.

    • @lukebased7842
      @lukebased7842 2 года назад

      Cindy the useful idiot
      These demons love stupid gullible people like you

    • @elwynlear
      @elwynlear 2 года назад +1

      @@larrymaulsby1711 reptilian needs???? drop you off in antartica hahaha

    • @elwynlear
      @elwynlear 2 года назад

      @@lukebased7842 omg demons????? go to church then this is philosophy

  • @bocckoka
    @bocckoka Год назад +1

    Open society and it's enemies... the people living in that society.

  • @Igwestockex
    @Igwestockex 6 лет назад +3

    Thanks for sharing this

  • @S.Sarajlic
    @S.Sarajlic 6 лет назад +13

    I appreciated the lecture, although it was hard to understand on many occasions. It looks like a way to make philosophical knowledge useful to make profits, instead of useless pure abstraction.

    • @karenpeaden271
      @karenpeaden271 4 года назад +4

      Hes just trying to convince us to give him our lives and ne his slaves in communism, but in a different name so as to not frighten us....to refuse him... lie his programs in .....deception.....lies. .refuse all his programs...they are lies to give him power....take his power by rejecting his programs.....his definitions are false...as he describes the belief in a higher power as a deception....all his words are ment to deceive....and make him seem so wise ....instead of a liar and used car dealer....hes a determined salesman. .....destroying others to get more power.....hes fake philosophical ideas are garbage......George take the red pill.....stop making yourself into god.....false god....your mouth is open ....lies are spewing out

    • @epic6434
      @epic6434 2 года назад

      He's confession about going berserker on the trading game you you turned and stretched out your neck to give him a bit of blood pudding huh? Compliments to the chef. 🤘🏼

    • @gwho
      @gwho Год назад +2

      abstraction is always useful. it just takes more steps to apply it.

    • @gwho
      @gwho Год назад

      @@epic6434 oo look. an articulate narrow minded person.

    • @daluxe2000
      @daluxe2000 Год назад

      He is just a manipulatve evil man, expressing a lot of BS EXPRESSED IN A WAY THAT makes it impossible to follow or make sense. Don’t be fooled, he has destroyed a lot of lives

  • @terijune3307
    @terijune3307 4 года назад +5

    I wonder if George has gone back to making money since he said he had done that before after he felt he'd failed as a philosopher. I wonder how many people would pick up his ideas and run with them. George can go perhaps many directions but he's stated two ways....., making money and wanting to do good with his ideas or philosophy. I don't know where his mind is at this time, but it does no good to call him names. We should encourage the side that wants to help the world. I really don't know how far his open society goes, but according to him, all can participate in making the world a better place. If George reads this, and I hope he does, I'm going to be participatory in a reality that you want to help the world not to hurt it, and that Quantum Physics in connection with at least some of your ideas needs to be heard. You are right. We can influence our world by our thoughts and ideas, and beliefs. Our world needs to know that.

    • @karenpeaden271
      @karenpeaden271 4 года назад +1

      He never quit.....power and money....his bread of life

    • @epic6434
      @epic6434 2 года назад

      I think philosophy isn't made to be settled into being an individual work of mind and thought in different areas and culture to the age of the man or woman it's a good thing to be open to agreeing with and disagree with what isn't in your own thought of the same person's philosophy they're people in different positions that are more likely education professors or scholars and not actually sure at this point about much of the details of the philosopher realized ghost writing and deception in this age I'm hitting the walls at times he's Sun Tzu and war is his art for he seen it up close and father had spoken about it to him he's said with a helpless position in these places that made him a target of dislike I'd say he's been amazing to be unheard of till the end he achieved the recognition I have to think he has cleared the board.

  • @leonardodantas8955
    @leonardodantas8955 2 года назад +2

    it starts at 16:49

  • @abcnikhiltripathi
    @abcnikhiltripathi 3 месяца назад

    "Expectation" is subjective and "reality" is objective. The market price of any stock or index as a whole is built upon a lot of future expectations (which subjective thing exposed to fallibility). But when the subjectivity meets objectivity (i.e. expectations meet reality), a market crash can happen. In simple words, EPS of any index you expected to be 1000 for next year. But it turned out to be 800 only. There's a 20% correction.

  • @KH-uv5ph
    @KH-uv5ph Год назад +2

    All I can see when I look at him is the carnage he leaves behind as well as a very, very dark future. No matter how much adrenochrome he takes, he can NOT live forever.

  • @benjaminjiin8432
    @benjaminjiin8432 3 года назад +3

    Around about 32:00, Conscerning thinking and human affairs, and thinking having no causal effect on reality: I understand that human thinking is part of the state of nature and can also be a manipulative force. For instance if trees hold top soil innately and humans realize this then they plant trees to aid in stopping soil erosion. Similarly if we notice the mind has some natural or innate tendencies, once noticed and understood can be grown to have desired effect. Yes this is manipulation, and yet it arises even if one does not manipulate, albeit more haphazardly or sporadic.

  • @AnsonTanTheTradveller
    @AnsonTanTheTradveller 4 года назад

    Very Good Talk!

    • @BOBON0101
      @BOBON0101 4 года назад +1

      Criminal

    • @jett3332
      @jett3332 3 года назад

      But your already an indoctrinated communist!

  • @giovannigaleotti2623
    @giovannigaleotti2623 Год назад +1

    Isn't this pretty much the same concept as the Keynsian beuty contest?

  • @susettesantiago5509
    @susettesantiago5509 2 года назад +3

    Nothing is hidden…………the gist is to deprive them of their function………………as often as possible…………..

  • @sdjnwhyNZ
    @sdjnwhyNZ 9 лет назад +5

    Are we all fucked? :(

    • @nexusxmoon
      @nexusxmoon 8 лет назад

      +sdjnwhyNZ ... some of us Get fucked. ...but yes without power you are fucked.... soonar or lata

    • @sakatis
      @sakatis 8 лет назад

      +sdjnwhyNZ fucked in this density

  • @mmmoroi
    @mmmoroi 4 года назад +4

    Suggest that he may offer lecture on the subject "General Theory of Plundering and Usurpation" or "The Art of Bloodsucking"

  • @vasilysidorenko8821
    @vasilysidorenko8821 Год назад

    Why you can have profound philosophical insight that are right about 95% about everything but still be wrong in your action.
    If you listen closely he admits he was stumped by why the reality of what you see in the world doesn’t seem to correspond to what people say they believe.
    This is why you should know your enemies arguments better than they do because most often they are not straw men but a force to be reckoned with.
    The created cannot make rules for the creator. As people we do not live in an open society but still as subjects to Gods law, we can try to find loopholes to this but as the created we must humble ourselves to this truth.

  • @43Danc
    @43Danc 3 года назад +11

    Mr Soros’s own philosophy is a good example of reflexivity. His theories of cause and effect are themselves self referencing within and endless loop from which he cannot escape. I do believe he’s identified a very real condition, but not one that supersedes absolute laws, rather something that is subject to the absolute. In other words, Mr Soros try’s to make the subjective, objective after already identifying the subjective as being what it is; Subjective. Ultimately reflexivity is a condition of absurdity. That much is true.

    • @grantcolbiedavis
      @grantcolbiedavis 3 года назад

      This is amazing ^^^ Thank you so much for sharing! Wisdom!

  • @CB-pt2uo
    @CB-pt2uo 3 года назад +12

    He is a legend, however I'm now tired now , anyone for a green tea. lol

  • @wileyonek7876
    @wileyonek7876 4 года назад +6

    Is this an insomnia seminar? JC, the audience and especially me fell asleep in two hundred and forty seconds. Better than tylenol pm!

    • @666777kenny
      @666777kenny 3 года назад

      Great! The lecture is worthwhile even for dum-dums then😇

    • @wileyonek7876
      @wileyonek7876 3 года назад +1

      @@666777kenny idk, can't stay awake past 5 minutes. I can tell you are having trouble sleeping, try it. It really works!

    • @armyofimrankhanpti1516
      @armyofimrankhanpti1516 2 года назад

      ruclips.net/video/c8yiM-uI0nI/видео.html

  • @kpbleung
    @kpbleung 9 лет назад +10

    i love the realm of abstractions man.... please stay in it.

    • @jett3332
      @jett3332 3 года назад +2

      Stay in your own communistic government.

    • @armyofimrankhanpti1516
      @armyofimrankhanpti1516 2 года назад

      ruclips.net/video/c8yiM-uI0nI/видео.html

  • @stephenmills6005
    @stephenmills6005 4 года назад +5

    I did like this class. Reminds me of Froid. But Jung had some good points too. Well done.

    • @stephenmills6005
      @stephenmills6005 4 года назад

      Friod. Sorry spelled it wrong.

    • @stephenmills6005
      @stephenmills6005 3 года назад

      You never heard of Froid? The Froidian theory?

    • @stephenmills6005
      @stephenmills6005 3 года назад

      Ok. Here's one that's a harder question. For Soros. What do i have in common with Aliya Moldaguiova ? Peter Fechter? Hint is Dominno Effect.

    • @stephenmills6005
      @stephenmills6005 3 года назад

      George. How did I know t move the stock two days before market crashed.

    • @jeremylodge3911
      @jeremylodge3911 3 года назад

      @@stephenmills6005 freud

  • @peacefulwarrior5583
    @peacefulwarrior5583 4 года назад +13

    The Lecture has really opened my eyes to the open society. The world in today's time would be good for both Economic and Political climates as we globalize. I'm going to study more of lectures. Excellent reality conceptual perspective.

    • @onewotldgovernmentonlywhen9044
      @onewotldgovernmentonlywhen9044 3 года назад +7

      But did you know that he is in favor of a New World Order hitlers ideology? Or am I confused? I know that many member of The New World Order are not all evil but why try to make the entire world to be the same when we are all different and it’s okay as long as it’s not a sin or a crime. Why should everyone be forced to be in a one same world bank and government and religion? You can stop hunger and crime without forcing people into a one same world government.

    • @armyofimrankhanpti1516
      @armyofimrankhanpti1516 2 года назад

      ruclips.net/video/c8yiM-uI0nI/видео.html

    • @dddd-uk4vn
      @dddd-uk4vn 2 года назад +2

      @@onewotldgovernmentonlywhen9044 He's Jewish. Why would he be in favor of Hitler's ideology? At least call it by what it actually is

    • @Desmondbrown73
      @Desmondbrown73 2 года назад +2

      You were naïve a year ago, how are you doing now?

    • @jayboxking567
      @jayboxking567 2 года назад +2

      They want to raise themselves against Jesus , become gods themselves, controlling every single aspect of our lives

  • @adielstephenson2929
    @adielstephenson2929 3 года назад +9

    That story about his dad, if true, is new to me, as I've always been told that no one ever escaped from a Siberian prison.

  • @Desmondbrown73
    @Desmondbrown73 2 года назад +1

    Thank you for allowing me to come here and lie to you, all while slobbering all over the microphone stand…

  • @AlexSGabor
    @AlexSGabor 7 лет назад +5

    Thanks George

  • @michealscandura3224
    @michealscandura3224 4 года назад +4

    I don't need 10 minutes with George rose I make him beg

  • @channelno.7994
    @channelno.7994 6 месяцев назад

    You will recognize them by their actions, not by their words.

  • @rory132
    @rory132 4 года назад +7

    fascinating insights

  • @carolhama4156
    @carolhama4156 4 года назад +13

    He must've been banned from Hungary AFTER this event took place.

  • @keleko_
    @keleko_ 3 года назад +16

    I don’t like this guy but damn he is pretty prolific.

    • @prongs1998ggmu
      @prongs1998ggmu 3 года назад +2

      explain why you dont like him?

    • @keleko_
      @keleko_ 3 года назад

      @@prongs1998ggmu What do you think it is that I don’t like about him?

    • @profoot6917
      @profoot6917 3 года назад +2

      @@keleko_ You probably believe in conspiracy theories. If you don't believe in conspiracy theories I really don't know why you don't like him.

    • @armyofimrankhanpti1516
      @armyofimrankhanpti1516 2 года назад

      ruclips.net/video/c8yiM-uI0nI/видео.html

    • @albertawheat6832
      @albertawheat6832 Год назад

      @@profoot6917 You probably believe in fairy tales. I guess we are even.

  • @FoundSanctity
    @FoundSanctity 2 года назад +1

    Those who have eyes but yet cannot see
    Those who have ears but cannot hear

  • @SodiumGated
    @SodiumGated 13 лет назад +3

    Thank You for posting this. This will be looked at 300 years later by posterity in awe....it is as if Voltaire himself is lecturing and was recorded on camera....

  • @StyzeSoulmaker
    @StyzeSoulmaker 8 лет назад +80

    I can see his reflexivity in the real world. His media calls things racist, and they 'become' racist. Or sexist.

    • @gurgy3
      @gurgy3 8 лет назад +18

      Exactly. I used to wonder why politicians keep spouting absolute bullshit in the face of hard statistics proving them wrong, but now I understand what has filled their minds. Reflexivity is just a snake oil term for keep lying and lying until everyone believes it is true. The truth doesn't matter, only what you can make people believe. They used to call this charlatanism, now i guess it is called "Reflexivity".

    • @StyzeSoulmaker
      @StyzeSoulmaker 7 лет назад +2

      ***** Cultural Marxism: the original memers

    • @StyzeSoulmaker
      @StyzeSoulmaker 7 лет назад +2

      ***** I guess religions are memes too

    • @davidscott1619
      @davidscott1619 6 лет назад +4

      Looks like letsdothisshiat taught you something about discussing known facts with the loony left liberals. Here's some Liberal strategy: Call it conspiracy theory. If you can't call it conspiracy theory then call them racist. If you can't call them racist then call them racist anyhow because none of what you say makes sense anyhow.

    • @hedgehogpancakes6174
      @hedgehogpancakes6174 4 года назад

      "There is no truth. There is only you and what you make the truth."

  • @redhidinghood9337
    @redhidinghood9337 5 лет назад +12

    Am I the only whos here for the forex education loll???

    • @Rgodsey07
      @Rgodsey07 4 года назад +1

      Red Hiding Hood nope!! This is a double whammy for me.

    • @rando_webb8704
      @rando_webb8704 4 года назад +4

      Nope, I don't give a fuck If he is the right hand man to satan himself, he knows what he's talking about.

    • @user-ro2th2sk5k
      @user-ro2th2sk5k 4 года назад

      Jim Hathaway exactly, that’s how winners think.

    • @somesh8376
      @somesh8376 4 года назад

      I am with you bro🙋‍♂️

    • @JamminStuff
      @JamminStuff 4 года назад

      Yepp there's no definitive body of knowledge in fired compared to science n philosophy, so we all here to learn from the best

  • @extremerap
    @extremerap 13 лет назад +1

    related videos include Tupac Shakur??

  • @isaywenukethewholefuckingp2128
    @isaywenukethewholefuckingp2128 6 лет назад +4

    I have the answer