RUclips is a totally unsuitable site for educational content. Historical channels have also taken a huge hit since the monetization catastrophe, since most of history deals with sensitive subjects. RUclips is for feeding advertising to kids.
@@bestplayeralive Maybe? But apparently he deeply regretted that work, and if he went so far as to refuse showing it to anyone, it probably meant it was a point of personal embarrassment. When we act in anger or hate we're often left to live with the consequences on our psyches. With time your memory of a persona slight will fade, but remember an evil you committed tends to stay fresh, if you're not a sociopath that is.
Reminds me of a Knight's Tale and Chaucer's lines: "I will eviscerate you in fiction. Every pimple, every character flaw. I was naked for a day; you will be naked for eternity."
To which the contemporary, over 9000 level IQ internet retort outside "u mad bro" would be "they're living rent free in your head." Funny how every troll paints themselves a Rembrandt, yet with the skill of Steve-O and notoriety of a droplet off a urinal.
Well, the audience did consist of art snobs. It is pretty much their job to understand those references. It is not as if your average Parisian at the time would have understood.
@@jodofe4879'Art snobs' is a bit much. A limited educated elite certainly (this was not art for the masses) but appreciating and understanding the contemporary arts was part of everyday life for the 'upper strata' of European societies back then. Doesn't make them all 'Art Snobs'.
With much less sources, people were exposed to pretty much the same things at all times. So what we'd call an "inside joke" would have been just something normal to them.
As an artists I can see why he felt scammed about receiving half of the pay he was promised, but my sympathy ends there. Everything after that was EXPLICITLY about his own pride. And it's sad that this scenario kept happening back then. Especially considering that he was a flourishing artists with a great career that wouldn't have taken a hit. But nope. Woman makes you mad? Ruin her entire reputation and livelihood.
I feel the same, I drew the line with the child. Also... did he appealed to court to get paid what they agreed? I am sorry, maybe I don't know how it worked back then.
Please stop virtue signalling, there’s no-one but strangers here. This was a bad ass move and she had it coming for being a scoundrel. I might add, none of the things he depicted were untrue, she didn’t conduct herself very well at all
The coin killing the fidelity dove, not only represents Lange’s infidelity but that of Zeus as well. Zeus was known for his adulterous marriage with his sister Hera, who was known for her jealousy, so he took on various forms so she wouldn’t recognise him. Examples of this include him being a bull for Europa, a swan for Leda, a satyr for Antiope, Artemis for Callisto and a golden shower for Danae. These shapeshifting sexcapades were almost always found out by Hera, who mistreated her husband’s lover. Infact she tells Acrisius what happens and he throws Danae and her son Perseus in a box into the sea. Luckily they both survive. Despite not appearing in the painting, her sacred bird the peacock does appear.
By "her sacred bird," you mean Hera's, just to clarify the pronoun's referent. But I had forgotten Perseus was the result of the golden shower, and the peacock/Hera connection whizzed right past me, because I stopped at Vanity. Thanks for this comment. I'm pretty good on Christian symbolism, but I'm not so swift on the Classical symbol-set. I like filling in the many large blanks in my knowledge of Classical images.
Zeus was known for raping girls, boys, & women, not merely for cheating on his wife or seducing others. This Greek king of the gods, later the Roman version called Jove, like many of the classical gods & heroes, took the form of various animals (& clouds, etc) in order to first entice, then rape his victims. His sexual partners were seldom willing participants. As I learned from studying Latin in high school, the classical Greek & later Roman cultures were extremely patriarchal. Rape of women, girls & boys, was acceptable. Translating the myths, which were often told in a romantic way, the object of desire often tried to avoid the rapist god or hero by transforming themselves into trees or flowering plants, thus occasionally succeeding in preventing the rape. My favorite myth was that of Circe & the Argonauts led by Jason, because the male aggressors had the tables turned on them, at least temporarily. Circe & her Sirens, who inhabited their own island, lured Jason & his crew to the island by singing very alluringly, & Jason & his men landing there expecting to exploit the sirens sexually in clearly violent ways. But Circe transformed the men into swine, who proceeded to snort & root about for food. Unfortunately, Jason is able to break the spell & escape with his crew. Speaking of Zeus or Jove or the great mythological male heroes, using terms that indicate consensual sex with women or girls or boys as a rule gives an entirely false impression of these cultures. Western patriarchal structures are largely based upon those of ancient Rome, including marriage as a social & legal structure, & are still deeply embedded in modern society. The family consisted of the male head of household, who legally owned his wife & children, with his wife usually in charge of other slaves who served the household---that is, the wife acted as an overseer but was nonetheless still a slave herself. Upon reaching legal age, a daughter was transferred from her father to her husband's ownership. Male offspring, upon reaching legal age were legally freed & were expected to marry & become head & master of their own families. This & many other ancient customs are still found in modern wedding traditions, such as the father "giving away" his daughter to her husband. But until into the 20th c., western marriage was still very closely aligned with the ancient Roman institution of the husband/father as legal owner of his wife & children.
Agreed, the dispute between Girodet and Lange is a "he said she said" situation (maybe Lange has asked for specific changes and Girodet didn't implement it, maybe Girodet has shown her a draft before and she ok'd it, we just don't know), but even if Lange is 100% at fault, Girodet could have easily left the little girl out of the picture.
I get the feeling one of his big criticisms is that she is a poor influence on her daughter. Notice how she is helping collect the coins, and how the mother's hand is placed directly on her head - I think he is sending a very clear message about how she is being raised. So too far? Yeah... But given what (I think) the critique is, it needed to be said (or painted, in this case).
I DID AN ESSAY ON THIS PAINTING!!! Never thought I’d see it covered on this channel! I suspect that she didn’t like the Venus painting because it depicted her too scandalously and she wanted to distance herself from her promiscuous past as an actress, I mean, she was almost put in jail for the part she played in that royalist play in 1793. But then again, she must have posed for it herself, and it wasn’t scandalous to depict a goddess nude. Maybe she thought it made her seem vain? It does show her gazing into a mirror
Methinks Girodet made several studies of Lange, while working out the composition for the first painting. The artist just pulled out one of the studies, and made a new painting with it.
Could be the mirror bit. Maybe she told him she didn't like it because it made her look vain and he said "Okay I'll make another painting where you're too busy being greedy to look at the broken mirror in your hand"
I think that Lange’s daughter is supposed to be Psyche because Psyche usually is portrayed with having butterfly wings and Lange’s daughter has them, too
I don't understand people in the past. Lady - has her naked body exposed in a painting= no problem Also Lady--her naked body exposed plus a few symbols =tragedy. Ruined reputation.
Naked bodies were a sign that the artist put a lot of effort in the painting to give off a powerful message to those who see it. Thats how most of them went. Nowadays, naked bodies could mean basically anything
Also, it was to emphasize the subject's identity although there are enough evidence to tell that, this means the girodet specifically wanted to target it at her so people will feel the depth of it
I don't think I am mad at the dude as much as I am mad that his reputation recovered after some while, while she was literally forced to move out of the country out of shame. Plus her daughter had nothing to do with the whole thing, that was definitely too far on his part. And I have to assume that the fact we can know all of those details of her life, means that most people in her time probably knew it too, nothing in that painting was supposed to be news to them, nothing should have changed, but because some petty artist dared to talked about it publicly, it's suddenly not that ok. And he really isn't one to judge someone else's greed, when he himself was born rich enough to not even need to be greedy and commit morally questionable deeds like she had to in order to rise to the top of society
That's the point. The double standard of a guy who came from a well-off family does something "scandalous" by societal standards and eventually his reputation will define long run after a taking a small hit. While a woman without much means who has children out of wedlock get hit with a scandal it wrecks her life. This is something like has been going on for a long time. However, no one ever talks about it.
Did you just literally justify someone's greed and morally questionable deeds and that people who are born rich cannot morally question someone's greed? So next time a mugger kills your family and loots them, he is not wrong because.imagine if you were born in the same conditions as him. It is also astonishing that you call a man not receiving his pay as petty as if it is his fault. Really reveals pathetic mentality of the certain sections of society
@@johnlove2954 that's why I said I don't judge him as much as I judge the double standards that allowed his reputation to recover after a while while she had to leave the country. Her wrongdoing was not respecting the agreement she had with the artist, but nothing in the revenge painting was about criticing that action, it was all about her getting expensive gifts from her lovers and her having a daughter outside marriage, what exactly makes her greedy? If the artist wanted to actually criticize her for not paying to him, that's what the painting would have focused on, but it didnt
Reminds me of those despicable revenge acts that happen on social media, with private pictures and videos exposed to thousands or even millions - or those horrible acts of throwing acid into a victim's face that are just heart-breaking to read about. Even if there is some small level of justification to the initial emotion, in no way does it excuse something so cruel. And afterward the perpetrator sheds crocodile tears and are forgiven or at least forgotten, while the actual victim has no real way of ever escaping the torment that was done to them. I have never known about this piece, and maybe she would have preferred it that way, but at the very least the truth should be known to anyone who does see it.
You sound european, mostly because you tried to empathize with an "acid-attacker" (we can't really say what we want to say can we?). I hope you didn't vote for those poor poor people to come into your country, if so you have nothing to complain about now do you?
@@kayerk "Even if there is some small level of justification to the initial emotion" Right there, you read the rest of their comment and assumed there was no empathy didn't you? Perhaps your reading comp is the one in question dear, or maybe I said exactly what I said to incense people like you who have made great errors in judgement. Errors so great you have to worry about acid attacks from complete strangers.
I don't blame people for feeling bad for this woman but your comment doesn't really correlate to the subject much. The model actively chose to pose naked and knew that a bunch of people would see her naked. Paining someone is not a manner of a one second click for a photograph. It's a real commitment. He had all the right to be angry with her. All she had to do was stand around while he put in the effort. He gave her something to really get upset over. Those who leak private nudity photos are usually not the ones making those photos and were not the ones who consented into doing naked photos. Also, what does publishing pictures of naked women has to do with acid throwing? Acid throwing is a whole different horrific subject that stands on it's own. It's full of hardcore violence and misogyny. This painter was bitter but it shows no misogyny and nothing to what those Indians do to women. You are comparison internal shame to victims who survived and live the remainder of their lives in pain and disability. . .
Not friggin' justified. This is like the revenge porn of it's day. No possible justification, and that was before he added her innocent daughter to the thing.
Girodet and Mademoiselle Lange both seem unlikable, yet the painting is executed so well and the story interesting and filled with controversy. Lucky for me, it currently is hanging within a couple of miles from my home at The Minneapolis Institute of Arts. Not exactly a backwater, but I don't often see features on artworks to which I have ready access. Thank you!
It was during a time when primped wigs were all the rage for those who could afford them. A part from natural hair marking you as low class, STDs like syphilis and lice of all sorts were even more rampant than today. People expected there was only one unclean reason to hide.
Me, seeing the tumbnail: Oh my God! What a beautiful painting! Also me, reading the tittle: Oh sh*t, not another madame X situation. I'm not going to lie, all that simbolism the artist implemented in the painting just to basicaly call the model an unfaithfull, greedy and shallow b*tch, is kinda impresive.... But using her daughter to throw shade at her was defenetly going too far. I don't believe the model deserved to have her reputation destroyed.
I don't think this is comparable to Madame X. Both Sargent and the sitter Gautreau had good intetions and Gautreau thought the painting was a masterpiece.
I think he forgot about one thing which was others trust in him. This no doubt put off anyone from working with him for a while. So of course it hit his reputation, likely being seen as a spiteful person who wanted to get back at a client. He should have insisted instead to redo the original one and ask the person which parts are unflattering. It would have instead made his reputation better and improved his image as someone who works well with clients. Instead he got the deserved recognition of his reputation taking a hit. Likely because others might have saw it as ‘he could do this to us too.’
Bruh? She payed him half of what she agreed with him because she decide that such a beautifully made portrait was somehow "unflattering" Imagine spending god knows how many hours and resources making a painting like that just to be told that it sucks and then getting just half of what you were meant to get because the one who comissioned it decided that they don't like it All the time and resources lost plus the damage to his credibility as an artist and the disrespect from the models part What she did is nothing short of theft, she's a bitch
Society hasn't changed a bit. If genders were reversed the same act would be praised and people would say he deserved it. We live in very misandrist society
Not like he made anything up if she was truly a vain, selfish woman who cheated on all of her partners. Truly she ruined herself by being a shit human being. He just pointed it out
What's impressive to me is that people used to be able to "read" and understand paintings like this. If someone were to paint the exact same painting today, but painted with some other famous person as the model, nobody would know any of the significance of any of the symbols. Everyone would likely just say it's a nice painting.
@@laurenpeacock6343 oh, I totally agree. I love painting and would love to have lived with the Old Masters or 19th century masters. But film is our culture's current art form.
That's not really true. Imagine putting Trump's hairstyle on someone, or depicting a woman in Marylin Monroe's blowing dress. Mythology was a big part of pop culture in the Victorian era.
And the ones' able to decipher this painting were prolly of same elite circle as the model meaning the gossip mill was for sure working on full speed.@@Kajenx
He took it too far. All she said was she didn't like the painting. Though she should have honored the original price. Still that painting was not okay, and I’m glad he later regretted it.
So you're saying it's okay to do all of this evil shit and involve an innocent child who had nothing to do with it just because someone doesn't pay you (even though he didn't do what he was supposed to do in turn not earning that pay so I agree with what she did hell she was being kind even giving him anything at all- if I hire someone for say landscaping and they do a half assed job, don't do all of what I asked for or don't do any of what I asked for instead only doing what they want to do then they're not getting paid because they didn't uphold their end of the deal and in your mind if that happens then they have the right to release revenge porn of me, attack my children, attack the people in my life, attack me, shame my livelihood, shame the people who choose on their own accord with their own free will to participate in that livelihood they weren't forced, and ruin my life on top of my loved ones and anyone else within range so much so that I have to flee my home while he barely gets a slap on the wrist and goes on to live his best life)? 😬 He was nothing more then an arrogant selfish immature man baby who was so far up his own ass that he couldn't see how much of a POS he was being and couldn't fathom how someone could even dare to not like his "PeRfEcT" art work on top of being from the upper class and living in a solely man's world where women were nothing but shit on their shoes so please spare me 🙄 He even regretted doing it later on so obviously once he got older and hopefully more wiser and mature even he knew how bad what he did was so obviously it's bad 🤷🏻♀️ Back then a woman's reputation was life or death and even a hint of scandal could ruin her (even though men did it and were even encouraged to do those same things the double standards were very real back then). Even if he had done exactly what she wanted to the T she still didn't deserve what happened to her and to her innocent loved ones. No excuse.
Her mass infidelities no doubt had major impacts on innocent wives and children. She reaped what she sowed. I feel bad about her kid though and I bet that’s why the artist regretted his ire.
@@holyrandomness5654 the fact that her life is ruined by it shows that it isn't minor issue. She got what she deserved. You also sound like someone who doesn't value other persons hardwork. Disgusting.
Yay!!! Another Art Deco video!!!💚 I've been a long-time viewer now, and I'm so very happy I found you! Not only are your videos entertaining and fun, but your explanations make it so much easier for me to digest and understand😅
I live like 3 hours away from the Minneapolis institute of art and distinctly remember seeing this piece when i was younger and even having a post card with the piece on it, and it’s always been my favorite piece of art
I've never heard of this! What a wonderfully evocative event! There's something so modern about the whole drama. I guess it shows that some human experiences are universal, even across time. Another great video, thank you x
I’m aware of the latent dangers hidden in art. I generally paint with the inspiration of love, in the hope of adding to people’s joy, rather than making them mad. I was initially inspired at college, when I first saw one of Cy Twobly’s very bleak grey pictures, which I became very aware had the effect of making me cold and sad. That was like a Road to Damascus experience as far as realising the power of painting was concerned. From that point I immediately launched into a series of 9 pictures illustrating from the Bible in Galatians 5:22,23 The Fruit of the Spirit in my first abstract adventure. That was the start of my adventure into abstract work. From there I did my thesis on the Meaning of Colour, which was personally interesting and provoking. Life has gone on with some great personal exploration in my 60+ pictures through the book of Revelation.
Not the point of this particular look into art and history. But Zeus, I think got someone pregnant by urinating on them from above. You don't do the swan thing, but also impregnate someone with gold, Zeus was a sick freak... And now that I stop to think about it, screwing up someone's life with a painting of them without clothes on and using the rest of the scenery to humiliate someone before poetically ending them with a broken heart sounds like something that old boy would do. Great video, what I said means nothing, just Zeus was the kind of sick, unfiltered freak who would surprise a gal with pregnancy pee.
Both pieces are beyond beautiful, regardless of the symbolism. I wish there were more artists who painted in this style today. All the symbolism is reasons to look longingly at the painting and use critical thinking to understand it. There's a complex story within it. If you look at Warhol's Campbell soup painting, what is there to ponder?
There are artists painting in this style! (Some call it Contemporary Academic Realism.) Check out the Art Renewal Center to see examples. There are classically trained artists doing amazing work out there.
@@KimberlyLetsGo maybe, if you stop going around calling modern art meaningless, the snotty artist (that you seem to meet often) will suddenly become rarer. magic trick, don't share it with anyone
He didn't take revenge. He ruined her life and totally ruined her life. While ge regretted it later it didnt undo the damage. He also ruined an innocent child's life to be petty. He was the villain but he never got any karma. His reputation was safe but misogyny totally ruined her life. She was just a woman trying to survive and make a life for her daughter but the world called her immoral for that.
I like a good revenge story myself. However, I doubt I would have liked Girodet regardless. This painting contradicts the old adage "revenge is a dish best served cold" Girodet wasted no time to let his wrath over the perceived insult cool down.
He definitely went too far bringing an innocent child into his revenge. This is yet another example of how men never get canceled, their career always comes back. But women get canceled forever
If someone ruined my life via sexual humiliation b/c I didn't pay them "enough" to make a commission I hated and rejected, I'd be out for his heads. Yes, both of them, each gets its own pike. He was lucky to get paid at all for unsatisfactory work from someone who was supposedly so greedy. Such a projector.
Everyone knew who she was and what she was like. He just called it like it was. On his part, this is cold, calculating revenge. It is perfectly executed and perfectly timed. Her vanity and greed led to his reaction. Morally, both were wrong, but yeah, he shouldn’t have included her daughter
Thanks Art Deco ! Girodet's works are stunningly beautiful. This is another example of how being involved with an artist IS a double edged sword. By 1793 Lange was already middle-aged for 1790's. She escaped being executed, and should have counted her lucky stars! Girodet also went too far. He supremely insulted her twice. The importance of the Art galleries was unmistakable. The statue on the shelf of Abundance, "Good Hopes and Holy Hearts", they could have lived a different life. So is the story of love's strange path...
I enjoy your analyses of these paintings. You describe the technical artistry plus you bring some history which informs the deeper symbolism all with a light humorous touch. Really entertaining and informative at the same time. Wish you had taught my art history classes.
Ok..he was a driven perfectionistic narcissist...and do they ever go for revenge!! One wonders if this was a battle between 2 narcissists even...Of course he'd later have regrets...but only for his own inner shame, thinking he'd been bested in some way. P.s. another highly observant, well researched and educational video!! Thx!
TL;DR: Hot-headed artist gets duped by a lady because she didn’t like his painting of her, so he gets nuclear revenge by making a new one that uses the power of symbolism to destroy her reputation.
The guy should have just done his job, revenge is empty nonsense, you can't run a business taking 'revenge' on every customer who isn't happy. Girodet was a spoilt little nob.
I love your videos. I adore older paintings precisely for this reason, they all have a story behind them, but unfortunately I don't know the story! Your videos are always so well researched and written, they are a joy to watch 🏵🌼🌻
Poor customer service by the artist. Should have checked with her before displaying the painting and made the necessary corrections instead of his new parody painting.
Girodet didnt just spill a little tea on a deadbeat actress, he went full on nuclear revenge. But he was an extremely talented a-hole. Both paintings were wonderful.
Maybe the daughter helping to grab money is meant that she will end up like her. I really like how much symbolism they had put in to those paintings. And nice to have someone there can explain it for me.
Way Too Harsh! I've heard somewhere that peacock feathers also represented homesexuality! Perhaps it can represent more than just infidelity to include some sorta non-conventional or socially improper relationships? Or did I misunderstand the meaning or interpretation of a peacock feather. Even today calling or branding someone a 'turkey' is pejorative. I also wondered of the artist didn't have a crush on her that wasn't reciprocal, prompting such harsh treatment.
FYI: Only in the sense that “peacock” represents a “dandy”- so it is not sexually suggestive, but more of an attitude of vanity in one’s carriage. (Not all “dandy”’s are homosexual, not all homosexuals are dandy’s.)
@@evelanpatton I was thinking of Edmund Dulac's, 'Charles Ricketts & Charles Shannon'... monks, hinting a male bond w/a peacock feather held in hand. Maybe, perhaps a Rorschach Test exposing more of me than the art??? LOL
How do you know and understand the symbolism in this and many other painting? I am always bewildered by how much you can see and understand. I’m a huge fan of your channel because I love to learn.😊
Bringing her kid into it (who had done nothing to him) was repulsive. I can understand being bitter about someone dissing your work and refusing payment, but keep it to the person who insulted you! Keep their child out of it!
He should have been paid. She saw the sketches, she should have coughed up. However. He was extremely out of order, especially when he added her child into the painting, naked, for yet another cheap point. Vile.
Honestly, I think he as well as society at the time took things too far. And just like with many paintings as time goes on a "scandalous" work of art is seen as a masterpiece.
Okay so I see both sides here, and I get why the artist was mad about not being payed properly, and the painting while maybe a little harsh is very good…I just don’t like that he brought the daughter into it. I understand he was angry but it feels nasty. Wrong. First rule of defaming someone should really be ‘leave their kids out of it this isn’t their problem.’
If you look at the bottom left, you also see the title of Plautus' comedy "Asinaria" (from Latin asinus "donkey"), which is about a couple and a fraud.
I love how you easily explain these paintings, youre one of the reasons why i got into art history in the first place!! :) I would love to hear your thoughts on the painting Hymen, oh Hyménée!
I can't believe he was able to plan and execute all that symbolism in just 15 days
Let alone the oil paint to dry that quickly.
Revenge is a great motivator
I was thinking exactly the same thing. For such a ferocious vengeance, ..huh..undiagnosed narcissist perhaps?!!
That was my thought too! Pulling this off in 15 days is unbridled obsession
That guy was just as angry as he was dedicated.
It’s sad that videos like this get demonetized- if it’s allowed in a museum, it should be allowed on RUclips.
RUclips is a totally unsuitable site for educational content. Historical channels have also taken a huge hit since the monetization catastrophe, since most of history deals with sensitive subjects.
RUclips is for feeding advertising to kids.
Because of the nudity in the painting!?😮
I bet your allowed to show violence, murder and war (hopefully, not real but it wouldn't surprise me if they do)!
They let fking frags go around naked but god forbid you show a picture of the human body. This hypocrisy should be unacceptable.
@@Theodoros.8what’s a frag?
AITA classical art edition.
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I vote YTA on this one. Dude was a little B.
TIFU because i didn't like a portrait of me
No matter how long people are on earth life basically stays the same.
ETA
Hell hath no fury like an artist being told they're mid.
Id say he got the last laugh considering his career continued to grow.
Quoth the Starbucks batista
@@bestplayeralive Maybe? But apparently he deeply regretted that work, and if he went so far as to refuse showing it to anyone, it probably meant it was a point of personal embarrassment. When we act in anger or hate we're often left to live with the consequences on our psyches. With time your memory of a persona slight will fade, but remember an evil you committed tends to stay fresh, if you're not a sociopath that is.
Lol
mid mid mid
Reminds me of a Knight's Tale and Chaucer's lines: "I will eviscerate you in fiction. Every pimple, every character flaw. I was naked for a day; you will be naked for eternity."
Brutal 😮
What did he do on the day he was naked?
Chaucer, on the day that he was naked, (according to the film A Knight’s Tale) trudged.
To which the contemporary, over 9000 level IQ internet retort outside "u mad bro" would be "they're living rent free in your head." Funny how every troll paints themselves a Rembrandt, yet with the skill of Steve-O and notoriety of a droplet off a urinal.
That's a great reference!
amazing how back then, the audience quickly comprehend the content of a full-length feature film out of Hollywood woven into a single painting.
And it was better.
Well, the audience did consist of art snobs. It is pretty much their job to understand those references. It is not as if your average Parisian at the time would have understood.
@@jodofe4879'Art snobs' is a bit much. A limited educated elite certainly (this was not art for the masses) but appreciating and understanding the contemporary arts was part of everyday life for the 'upper strata' of European societies back then. Doesn't make them all 'Art Snobs'.
With much less sources, people were exposed to pretty much the same things at all times. So what we'd call an "inside joke" would have been just something normal to them.
The audience was not your everyday average joe. The people who could access these galleries were wealthy learned ppl
As an artists I can see why he felt scammed about receiving half of the pay he was promised, but my sympathy ends there. Everything after that was EXPLICITLY about his own pride. And it's sad that this scenario kept happening back then. Especially considering that he was a flourishing artists with a great career that wouldn't have taken a hit. But nope. Woman makes you mad? Ruin her entire reputation and livelihood.
Exactly. He went too far to just ruin her whole life like that.
As a woman, I have no sympathy for elite prostitutes. I think they should know their place and not pretend to be aristocrats. Today's and then's.
Exactly.
I feel the same, I drew the line with the child. Also... did he appealed to court to get paid what they agreed? I am sorry, maybe I don't know how it worked back then.
Please stop virtue signalling, there’s no-one but strangers here. This was a bad ass move and she had it coming for being a scoundrel. I might add, none of the things he depicted were untrue, she didn’t conduct herself very well at all
The coin killing the fidelity dove, not only represents Lange’s infidelity but that of Zeus as well. Zeus was known for his adulterous marriage with his sister Hera, who was known for her jealousy, so he took on various forms so she wouldn’t recognise him. Examples of this include him being a bull for Europa, a swan for Leda, a satyr for Antiope, Artemis for Callisto and a golden shower for Danae. These shapeshifting sexcapades were almost always found out by Hera, who mistreated her husband’s lover. Infact she tells Acrisius what happens and he throws Danae and her son Perseus in a box into the sea. Luckily they both survive. Despite not appearing in the painting, her sacred bird the peacock does appear.
By "her sacred bird," you mean Hera's, just to clarify the pronoun's referent. But I had forgotten Perseus was the result of the golden shower, and the peacock/Hera connection whizzed right past me, because I stopped at Vanity. Thanks for this comment. I'm pretty good on Christian symbolism, but I'm not so swift on the Classical symbol-set. I like filling in the many large blanks in my knowledge of Classical images.
Zeus was known for raping girls, boys, & women, not merely for cheating on his wife or seducing others. This Greek king of the gods, later the Roman version called Jove, like many of the classical gods & heroes, took the form of various animals (& clouds, etc) in order to first entice, then rape his victims. His sexual partners were seldom willing participants.
As I learned from studying Latin in high school, the classical Greek & later Roman cultures were extremely patriarchal. Rape of women, girls & boys, was acceptable. Translating the myths, which were often told in a romantic way, the object of desire often tried to avoid the rapist god or hero by transforming themselves into trees or flowering plants, thus occasionally succeeding in preventing the rape.
My favorite myth was that of Circe & the Argonauts led by Jason, because the male aggressors had the tables turned on them, at least temporarily. Circe & her Sirens, who inhabited their own island, lured Jason & his crew to the island by singing very alluringly, & Jason & his men landing there expecting to exploit the sirens sexually in clearly violent ways. But Circe transformed the men into swine, who proceeded to snort & root about for food.
Unfortunately, Jason is able to break the spell & escape with his crew.
Speaking of Zeus or Jove or the great mythological male heroes, using terms that indicate consensual sex with women or girls or boys as a rule gives an entirely false impression of these cultures.
Western patriarchal structures are largely based upon those of ancient Rome, including marriage as a social & legal structure, & are still deeply embedded in modern society. The family consisted of the male head of household, who legally owned his wife & children, with his wife usually in charge of other slaves who served the household---that is, the wife acted as an overseer but was nonetheless still a slave herself. Upon reaching legal age, a daughter was transferred from her father to her husband's ownership. Male offspring, upon reaching legal age were legally freed & were expected to marry & become head & master of their own families. This & many other ancient customs are still found in modern wedding traditions, such as the father "giving away" his daughter to her husband. But until into the 20th c., western marriage was still very closely aligned with the ancient Roman institution of the husband/father as legal owner of his wife & children.
Adding her daughter was definitely going too far!
Agreed, the dispute between Girodet and Lange is a "he said she said" situation (maybe Lange has asked for specific changes and Girodet didn't implement it, maybe Girodet has shown her a draft before and she ok'd it, we just don't know), but even if Lange is 100% at fault, Girodet could have easily left the little girl out of the picture.
totally agreed, but i dont mind if he is putting the adult or matured version of the daughter.
That's a sticking point to me too. But in those days, people were a LOT less protective of children.
I get the feeling one of his big criticisms is that she is a poor influence on her daughter. Notice how she is helping collect the coins, and how the mother's hand is placed directly on her head - I think he is sending a very clear message about how she is being raised.
So too far? Yeah... But given what (I think) the critique is, it needed to be said (or painted, in this case).
Talk shit get hit.
What I want to know is how you find these wonderfully bizarre works of art with their even more outlandish but entertaining stories! 😊
@@joeybloey3631 I took an art history class. It was definitely not as entertaining as this channel!
I DID AN ESSAY ON THIS PAINTING!!! Never thought I’d see it covered on this channel!
I suspect that she didn’t like the Venus painting because it depicted her too scandalously and she wanted to distance herself from her promiscuous past as an actress, I mean, she was almost put in jail for the part she played in that royalist play in 1793. But then again, she must have posed for it herself, and it wasn’t scandalous to depict a goddess nude. Maybe she thought it made her seem vain? It does show her gazing into a mirror
* has a nude painting done of herself *
Why did you make me look so vain?¿?
Methinks Girodet made several studies of Lange, while working out the composition for the first painting. The artist just pulled out one of the studies, and made a new painting with it.
Could be the mirror bit. Maybe she told him she didn't like it because it made her look vain and he said "Okay I'll make another painting where you're too busy being greedy to look at the broken mirror in your hand"
It doesn’t excuse his actions-but I’m glad he at least felt shame about it eventually.
That is one hell of a story. I wouldn't have expected that painting to have a dark story behind it. Great video 👍
Definetely unfair. Spider deserves some pay for ridding the studio of mosquitos.
Does the spider represent Girodet??
@@peterbillings3276To be a fly on the - *slurp*
I think that Lange’s daughter is supposed to be Psyche because Psyche usually is portrayed with having butterfly wings and Lange’s daughter has them, too
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Not him using her DAUGHTER in the painting!! What a piece of work this artist!
I don't understand people in the past.
Lady - has her naked body exposed in a painting= no problem
Also Lady--her naked body exposed plus a few symbols =tragedy. Ruined reputation.
I guess being publicly exposed as a hoe was a bit too far for the French public? 😅😅😅
Naked bodies were a sign that the artist put a lot of effort in the painting to give off a powerful message to those who see it. Thats how most of them went. Nowadays, naked bodies could mean basically anything
Also, it was to emphasize the subject's identity although there are enough evidence to tell that, this means the girodet specifically wanted to target it at her so people will feel the depth of it
I don't think I am mad at the dude as much as I am mad that his reputation recovered after some while, while she was literally forced to move out of the country out of shame. Plus her daughter had nothing to do with the whole thing, that was definitely too far on his part. And I have to assume that the fact we can know all of those details of her life, means that most people in her time probably knew it too, nothing in that painting was supposed to be news to them, nothing should have changed, but because some petty artist dared to talked about it publicly, it's suddenly not that ok. And he really isn't one to judge someone else's greed, when he himself was born rich enough to not even need to be greedy and commit morally questionable deeds like she had to in order to rise to the top of society
That's the point. The double standard of a guy who came from a well-off family does something "scandalous" by societal standards and eventually his reputation will define long run after a taking a small hit. While a woman without much means who has children out of wedlock get hit with a scandal it wrecks her life. This is something like has been going on for a long time. However, no one ever talks about it.
Well put, the double standards are astonishing.
Did you just literally justify someone's greed and morally questionable deeds and that people who are born rich cannot morally question someone's greed?
So next time a mugger kills your family and loots them, he is not wrong because.imagine if you were born in the same conditions as him.
It is also astonishing that you call a man not receiving his pay as petty as if it is his fault.
Really reveals pathetic mentality of the certain sections of society
@@johnlove2954not paying enough for a painting is comparable to murdering someone to you?
@@johnlove2954 that's why I said I don't judge him as much as I judge the double standards that allowed his reputation to recover after a while while she had to leave the country. Her wrongdoing was not respecting the agreement she had with the artist, but nothing in the revenge painting was about criticing that action, it was all about her getting expensive gifts from her lovers and her having a daughter outside marriage, what exactly makes her greedy? If the artist wanted to actually criticize her for not paying to him, that's what the painting would have focused on, but it didnt
Reminds me of those despicable revenge acts that happen on social media, with private pictures and videos exposed to thousands or even millions - or those horrible acts of throwing acid into a victim's face that are just heart-breaking to read about. Even if there is some small level of justification to the initial emotion, in no way does it excuse something so cruel. And afterward the perpetrator sheds crocodile tears and are forgiven or at least forgotten, while the actual victim has no real way of ever escaping the torment that was done to them.
I have never known about this piece, and maybe she would have preferred it that way, but at the very least the truth should be known to anyone who does see it.
You sound european, mostly because you tried to empathize with an "acid-attacker" (we can't really say what we want to say can we?). I hope you didn't vote for those poor poor people to come into your country, if so you have nothing to complain about now do you?
@gymbmymb3465 I think you need to work on your reading comprehension. Is English your first language?
@@kayerk "Even if there is some small level of justification to the initial emotion" Right there, you read the rest of their comment and assumed there was no empathy didn't you? Perhaps your reading comp is the one in question dear, or maybe I said exactly what I said to incense people like you who have made great errors in judgement.
Errors so great you have to worry about acid attacks from complete strangers.
I don't blame people for feeling bad for this woman but your comment doesn't really correlate to the subject much. The model actively chose to pose naked and knew that a bunch of people would see her naked. Paining someone is not a manner of a one second click for a photograph. It's a real commitment. He had all the right to be angry with her. All she had to do was stand around while he put in the effort. He gave her something to really get upset over. Those who leak private nudity photos are usually not the ones making those photos and were not the ones who consented into doing naked photos. Also, what does publishing pictures of naked women has to do with acid throwing? Acid throwing is a whole different horrific subject that stands on it's own. It's full of hardcore violence and misogyny. This painter was bitter but it shows no misogyny and nothing to what those Indians do to women. You are comparison internal shame to victims who survived and live the remainder of their lives in pain and disability. . .
This was fascinating! Thank you!
Thank you!
thanks for explaining paintings!
Paintings are supposed to convey impactful messages. But sometimes they could often their subjects too harshly to the point of absolute no return.
Not friggin' justified. This is like the revenge porn of it's day. No possible justification, and that was before he added her innocent daughter to the thing.
she didnt pay, she suffered the consequences. that's her fault
I love that shit
@@breadispain454 I hope you come to understand the full meaning in time.
@@Laocoon283 That is so unkind, you're the type who deserves this treatment. You want to hurt women, not protect them.
@@edelweissdebergbaldrian7696 it's hot af is what it is
The detail in this painting is astounding.
Girodet and Mademoiselle Lange both seem unlikable, yet the painting is executed so well and the story interesting and filled with controversy. Lucky for me, it currently is hanging within a couple of miles from my home at The Minneapolis Institute of Arts. Not exactly a backwater, but I don't often see features on artworks to which I have ready access. Thank you!
Same here! I was excited to see it on a random youtube recommendation.
Revenge porn of the day. I don’t recall seeing pubic hair in paintings of this era - I wonder if that was controversial
It was during a time when primped wigs were all the rage for those who could afford them. A part from natural hair marking you as low class, STDs like syphilis and lice of all sorts were even more rampant than today. People expected there was only one unclean reason to hide.
Not at all.
Thank you for another very interesting story behind the painting. Looking forward to the next.
Oh your videos are always so well written, told, edited and executed. I enjoy every video you make. ❤
Me, seeing the tumbnail: Oh my God! What a beautiful painting! Also me, reading the tittle: Oh sh*t, not another madame X situation.
I'm not going to lie, all that simbolism the artist implemented in the painting just to basicaly call the model an unfaithfull, greedy and shallow b*tch, is kinda impresive.... But using her daughter to throw shade at her was defenetly going too far.
I don't believe the model deserved to have her reputation destroyed.
I also thought of Madame X
I don't think this is comparable to Madame X. Both Sargent and the sitter Gautreau had good intetions and Gautreau thought the painting was a masterpiece.
Thank you for another terrific story!
Thanks!
I think he forgot about one thing which was others trust in him. This no doubt put off anyone from working with him for a while. So of course it hit his reputation, likely being seen as a spiteful person who wanted to get back at a client. He should have insisted instead to redo the original one and ask the person which parts are unflattering. It would have instead made his reputation better and improved his image as someone who works well with clients. Instead he got the deserved recognition of his reputation taking a hit. Likely because others might have saw it as ‘he could do this to us too.’
He was a petulant brat who ruined a woman out of spite. About as far from "justified" as one can get.
It's OK though because boobies. Well played Girodet, well played...
She was just as petulant...
Bruh? She payed him half of what she agreed with him because she decide that such a beautifully made portrait was somehow "unflattering"
Imagine spending god knows how many hours and resources making a painting like that just to be told that it sucks and then getting just half of what you were meant to get because the one who comissioned it decided that they don't like it
All the time and resources lost plus the damage to his credibility as an artist and the disrespect from the models part
What she did is nothing short of theft, she's a bitch
Society hasn't changed a bit. If genders were reversed the same act would be praised and people would say he deserved it.
We live in very misandrist society
Not like he made anything up if she was truly a vain, selfish woman who cheated on all of her partners. Truly she ruined herself by being a shit human being. He just pointed it out
What's impressive to me is that people used to be able to "read" and understand paintings like this. If someone were to paint the exact same painting today, but painted with some other famous person as the model, nobody would know any of the significance of any of the symbols. Everyone would likely just say it's a nice painting.
But we can read film this way. We have the media literacy that reflects what our culture emphasises.
@@laurenpeacock6343 oh, I totally agree. I love painting and would love to have lived with the Old Masters or 19th century masters. But film is our culture's current art form.
That is a nice painting!
That's not really true. Imagine putting Trump's hairstyle on someone, or depicting a woman in Marylin Monroe's blowing dress. Mythology was a big part of pop culture in the Victorian era.
And the ones' able to decipher this painting were prolly of same elite circle as the model meaning the gossip mill was for sure working on full speed.@@Kajenx
Excellent video! I teach art appreciation and have not seen this painting. I will be adding it to my class.
He took it too far. All she said was she didn't like the painting. Though she should have honored the original price. Still that painting was not okay, and I’m glad he later regretted it.
Not paying is the main problem that you think is minor issue.
It isn't minor issue here.
So you're saying it's okay to do all of this evil shit and involve an innocent child who had nothing to do with it just because someone doesn't pay you (even though he didn't do what he was supposed to do in turn not earning that pay so I agree with what she did hell she was being kind even giving him anything at all- if I hire someone for say landscaping and they do a half assed job, don't do all of what I asked for or don't do any of what I asked for instead only doing what they want to do then they're not getting paid because they didn't uphold their end of the deal and in your mind if that happens then they have the right to release revenge porn of me, attack my children, attack the people in my life, attack me, shame my livelihood, shame the people who choose on their own accord with their own free will to participate in that livelihood they weren't forced, and ruin my life on top of my loved ones and anyone else within range so much so that I have to flee my home while he barely gets a slap on the wrist and goes on to live his best life)? 😬 He was nothing more then an arrogant selfish immature man baby who was so far up his own ass that he couldn't see how much of a POS he was being and couldn't fathom how someone could even dare to not like his "PeRfEcT" art work on top of being from the upper class and living in a solely man's world where women were nothing but shit on their shoes so please spare me 🙄 He even regretted doing it later on so obviously once he got older and hopefully more wiser and mature even he knew how bad what he did was so obviously it's bad 🤷🏻♀️ Back then a woman's reputation was life or death and even a hint of scandal could ruin her (even though men did it and were even encouraged to do those same things the double standards were very real back then).
Even if he had done exactly what she wanted to the T she still didn't deserve what happened to her and to her innocent loved ones. No excuse.
Her mass infidelities no doubt had major impacts on innocent wives and children. She reaped what she sowed. I feel bad about her kid though and I bet that’s why the artist regretted his ire.
@@parthsavyasachi9348 It literally is when a woman’s life is ruined. Plus she did pay, but half the amount. So again, minor.
@@holyrandomness5654 the fact that her life is ruined by it shows that it isn't minor issue.
She got what she deserved. You also sound like someone who doesn't value other persons hardwork.
Disgusting.
I love your videos their educational and fun! Please continue what you're doing I never miss any of your videos. Lots of love to you
Fascinating! Many thanks for this detailed explanation.
This is easily one of the best channels on RUclips.
Including her daughter is just plain vile. Nasty behavior. Poor woman.
Enjoy your interpretations of these masterpieces. I would not have known any of this, so thank you. Look forward to your next painting review.
Yay!!! Another Art Deco video!!!💚
I've been a long-time viewer now, and I'm so very happy I found you! Not only are your videos entertaining and fun, but your explanations make it so much easier for me to digest and understand😅
I live like 3 hours away from the Minneapolis institute of art and distinctly remember seeing this piece when i was younger and even having a post card with the piece on it, and it’s always been my favorite piece of art
there is so much intelligence and talent in this painting its amazing...
The first portrait was lovely.
Another great video. Thanks.
richard
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I've never heard of this! What a wonderfully evocative event! There's something so modern about the whole drama. I guess it shows that some human experiences are universal, even across time. Another great video, thank you x
Another awesome and thought provoking vid!!! I'd love to see you do Guernica by Picasso!!
I swear I learn more and more about painting interpretation from this channel
I absolutely love your videos!
Very informative and humorous, too.
Thanks
Please folks, don’t paint in anger.
I think spite can be a good motivator for art. Just depends on how it’s used.
Considering how good the painting is, especially in terms of symbolist art - I would disagree.
Which would spell the end of painting, but ok
He paints pretty neatly and calmly when angry😅 I wonder how he paints Not angry
I’m aware of the latent dangers hidden in art. I generally paint with the inspiration of love, in the hope of adding to people’s joy, rather than making them mad.
I was initially inspired at college, when I first saw one of Cy Twobly’s very bleak grey pictures, which I became very aware had the effect of making me cold and sad. That was like a Road to Damascus experience as far as realising the power of painting was concerned.
From that point I immediately launched into a series of 9 pictures illustrating from the Bible in Galatians 5:22,23 The Fruit of the Spirit in my first abstract adventure. That was the start of my adventure into abstract work. From there I did my thesis on the Meaning of Colour, which was personally interesting and provoking.
Life has gone on with some great personal exploration in my 60+ pictures through the book of Revelation.
Imagine studying your whole life to become an amazing artist, only to use that talent to call some lady a sl*t in 50 different languages
Sounds like waste of wisdom & talent to me….boy wasted his entirety just to be petty…💀💀
He is a genius. Master artist who went too too too far But when he added her daughter, he deserved to go to jail.
Not the point of this particular look into art and history. But Zeus, I think got someone pregnant by urinating on them from above.
You don't do the swan thing, but also impregnate someone with gold, Zeus was a sick freak... And now that I stop to think about it, screwing up someone's life with a painting of them without clothes on and using the rest of the scenery to humiliate someone before poetically ending them with a broken heart sounds like something that old boy would do.
Great video, what I said means nothing, just Zeus was the kind of sick, unfiltered freak who would surprise a gal with pregnancy pee.
She was vain and greedy. He was spoiled and greedy. You are right. Nothing ever changes. Great videos!
Both pieces are beyond beautiful, regardless of the symbolism. I wish there were more artists who painted in this style today. All the symbolism is reasons to look longingly at the painting and use critical thinking to understand it. There's a complex story within it. If you look at Warhol's Campbell soup painting, what is there to ponder?
There are artists painting in this style! (Some call it Contemporary Academic Realism.) Check out the Art Renewal Center to see examples. There are classically trained artists doing amazing work out there.
Plenty... if you want to find it. But if you're set on sneering, you'll never see it.
@@Serai3 Oooh, another hostile, snotty artist!!!
@@KimberlyLetsGo Ooooo, another supercilious uneducated amateur!!!!
Grow up, little girl.
@@KimberlyLetsGo maybe, if you stop going around calling modern art meaningless, the snotty artist (that you seem to meet often) will suddenly become rarer. magic trick, don't share it with anyone
He didn't take revenge. He ruined her life and totally ruined her life. While ge regretted it later it didnt undo the damage. He also ruined an innocent child's life to be petty. He was the villain but he never got any karma. His reputation was safe but misogyny totally ruined her life. She was just a woman trying to survive and make a life for her daughter but the world called her immoral for that.
While no doubt that same world lined up to sleep with her, the hypocrisy women face from society is insane.
"Bold Lover, never canst thou kiss"
Immortalized in averice and pride. I think this is a beautiful story. Well shared!
I like a good revenge story myself. However, I doubt I would have liked Girodet regardless.
This painting contradicts the old adage "revenge is a dish best served cold" Girodet wasted no time to let his wrath over the perceived insult cool down.
I absolutely love your videos! All the history behind these paintings is so interesting!
Highly creative people are as vicious as anyone else. Only they express it so much better.
This painting is in Minnesota? That's where I live!!
He definitely went too far bringing an innocent child into his revenge. This is yet another example of how men never get canceled, their career always comes back. But women get canceled forever
Love the video as always! Just wondered - what’s the symbolism behind the butterfly (?) wings on her daughter?
Now that is the power of art!😀
If someone ruined my life via sexual humiliation b/c I didn't pay them "enough" to make a commission I hated and rejected, I'd be out for his heads. Yes, both of them, each gets its own pike. He was lucky to get paid at all for unsatisfactory work from someone who was supposedly so greedy. Such a projector.
That's sad, as at first glance the painting is quite beautiful.
Everyone knew who she was and what she was like. He just called it like it was. On his part, this is cold, calculating revenge. It is perfectly executed and perfectly timed. Her vanity and greed led to his reaction.
Morally, both were wrong, but yeah, he shouldn’t have included her daughter
Thanks Art Deco ! Girodet's works are stunningly beautiful. This is another example of how being involved with an artist IS a double edged sword. By 1793 Lange was already middle-aged for 1790's. She escaped being executed, and should have counted her lucky stars! Girodet also went too far. He supremely insulted her twice. The importance of the Art galleries was unmistakable. The statue on the shelf of Abundance, "Good Hopes and Holy Hearts", they could have lived a different life. So is the story of love's strange path...
So, basically, this painting is the original revenge pornagraphy before revenge pornagraphy was even a thing.
Well no. She likely had already posed nude many times and her painting was to be made public anyways. Thus isn’t leaking nudes.
I loved the first one... adore this show..men just can't stand rejection of any kind.😂
@@Shilanga-w2k did you notice the laughing emoji..I was joking..WoW
If it doesn't apply, let it fly.
He wasn’t rejected though. She didn’t pay him the planned amount apparently.
I enjoy your analyses of these paintings. You describe the technical artistry plus you bring some history which informs the deeper symbolism all with a light humorous touch. Really entertaining and informative at the same time. Wish you had taught my art history classes.
This is what society lives for today. But, the symbolism is lost to many. I love it. I want to learn about the symbolism and all that. 😊
I so much love your explanation of paintings. ❤❤❤
Ok..he was a driven perfectionistic narcissist...and do they ever go for revenge!! One wonders if this was a battle between 2 narcissists even...Of course he'd later have regrets...but only for his own inner shame, thinking he'd been bested in some way. P.s. another highly observant, well researched and educational video!! Thx!
TL;DR: Hot-headed artist gets duped by a lady because she didn’t like his painting of her, so he gets nuclear revenge by making a new one that uses the power of symbolism to destroy her reputation.
Defiantly not justified. Her daughter didn't do anything!
True, but it's not like he made anything humiliating regarding the daughter herself, he just put her in there in relation to the lady.
Your work is a wonderful gift! Thank you so much!
The guy should have just done his job, revenge is empty nonsense, you can't run a business taking 'revenge' on every customer who isn't happy. Girodet was a spoilt little nob.
I love your videos. I adore older paintings precisely for this reason, they all have a story behind them, but unfortunately I don't know the story!
Your videos are always so well researched and written, they are a joy to watch 🏵🌼🌻
Poor customer service by the artist. Should have checked with her before displaying the painting and made the necessary corrections instead of his new parody painting.
Ahem, the man was an established Artist, not a decorator. "Corrections?" This Loose woman just had buyer's remorse.
@@larryzink8978 so is porn revenge a way to go? You men are really something else, no matter the times.
Girodet didnt just spill a little tea on a deadbeat actress, he went full on nuclear revenge. But he was an extremely talented a-hole. Both paintings were wonderful.
Revenge is never justified.
yes it is.
Maybe the daughter helping to grab money is meant that she will end up like her. I really like how much symbolism they had put in to those paintings. And nice to have someone there can explain it for me.
Way Too Harsh!
I've heard somewhere that peacock feathers also represented homesexuality!
Perhaps it can represent more than just infidelity to include some sorta non-conventional or socially improper relationships?
Or did I misunderstand the meaning or interpretation of a peacock feather.
Even today calling or branding someone a 'turkey' is pejorative.
I also wondered of the artist didn't have a crush on her that wasn't reciprocal, prompting such harsh treatment.
FYI: Only in the sense that “peacock” represents a “dandy”- so it is not sexually suggestive, but more of an attitude of vanity in one’s carriage. (Not all “dandy”’s are homosexual, not all homosexuals are dandy’s.)
@@evelanpatton I was thinking of Edmund Dulac's, 'Charles Ricketts & Charles Shannon'... monks, hinting a male bond w/a peacock feather held in hand.
Maybe, perhaps a Rorschach Test exposing more of me than the art??? LOL
How do you know and understand the symbolism in this and many other painting? I am always bewildered by how much you can see and understand. I’m a huge fan of your channel because I love to learn.😊
Bringing her kid into it (who had done nothing to him) was repulsive. I can understand being bitter about someone dissing your work and refusing payment, but keep it to the person who insulted you! Keep their child out of it!
He should have been paid. She saw the sketches, she should have coughed up. However. He was extremely out of order, especially when he added her child into the painting, naked, for yet another cheap point. Vile.
I love your content, it is informative and entertaining.
the subtle change in her face at 2:22 was amazing, I wonder how you do that, like photoshop? after effects? I'm sure you cant do it on premiere pro.
Honestly, I think he as well as society at the time took things too far. And just like with many paintings as time goes on a "scandalous" work of art is seen as a masterpiece.
Okay so I see both sides here, and I get why the artist was mad about not being payed properly, and the painting while maybe a little harsh is very good…I just don’t like that he brought the daughter into it. I understand he was angry but it feels nasty. Wrong. First rule of defaming someone should really be ‘leave their kids out of it this isn’t their problem.’
If you look at the bottom left, you also see the title of Plautus' comedy "Asinaria" (from Latin asinus "donkey"), which is about a couple and a fraud.
I found my new favorite channel😂❤ I even bought a print of this painting for my gallery wall because of this video
And that was before social media...oof. Nothing's changed. *smh
I love how you easily explain these paintings, youre one of the reasons why i got into art history in the first place!! :)
I would love to hear your thoughts on the painting Hymen, oh Hyménée!
A definite clash if egos! My goodness I adore this channel!
Excellent painting. Amazing effort for 15 days.