This Painting Ruined Her Life. Here's Why.

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  • Опубликовано: 23 дек 2024

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  • @mrjakeisnumber1
    @mrjakeisnumber1 9 месяцев назад +2298

    I can't believe he was able to plan and execute all that symbolism in just 15 days

    • @JasonTabile
      @JasonTabile 9 месяцев назад +153

      Let alone the oil paint to dry that quickly.

    • @rachreid8746
      @rachreid8746 9 месяцев назад +188

      Revenge is a great motivator

    • @globalheart
      @globalheart 9 месяцев назад +92

      I was thinking exactly the same thing. For such a ferocious vengeance, ..huh..undiagnosed narcissist perhaps?!!

    • @humanthetooth
      @humanthetooth 9 месяцев назад +78

      That was my thought too! Pulling this off in 15 days is unbridled obsession

    • @seeleunit2000
      @seeleunit2000 9 месяцев назад +69

      That guy was just as angry as he was dedicated.

  • @formulaveeracingusa
    @formulaveeracingusa 9 месяцев назад +1577

    It’s sad that videos like this get demonetized- if it’s allowed in a museum, it should be allowed on RUclips.

    • @greyfells2829
      @greyfells2829 9 месяцев назад

      RUclips is a totally unsuitable site for educational content. Historical channels have also taken a huge hit since the monetization catastrophe, since most of history deals with sensitive subjects.
      RUclips is for feeding advertising to kids.

    • @rixx46
      @rixx46 9 месяцев назад +49

      Because of the nudity in the painting!?😮

    • @leighfoulkes7297
      @leighfoulkes7297 9 месяцев назад +40

      I bet your allowed to show violence, murder and war (hopefully, not real but it wouldn't surprise me if they do)!

    • @Theodoros.8
      @Theodoros.8 9 месяцев назад +32

      They let fking frags go around naked but god forbid you show a picture of the human body. This hypocrisy should be unacceptable.

    • @60Airflyte
      @60Airflyte 9 месяцев назад +33

      @@Theodoros.8what’s a frag?

  • @ElfInTheFlowers
    @ElfInTheFlowers 9 месяцев назад +1284

    AITA classical art edition.

    • @Art_Deco
      @Art_Deco  9 месяцев назад +140

      🤣

    • @Tulku
      @Tulku 9 месяцев назад +113

      I vote YTA on this one. Dude was a little B.

    • @winkleperiwinkle808
      @winkleperiwinkle808 9 месяцев назад +42

      TIFU because i didn't like a portrait of me

    • @zuzuspetals9281
      @zuzuspetals9281 9 месяцев назад +27

      No matter how long people are on earth life basically stays the same.

    • @mioatomic
      @mioatomic 9 месяцев назад +5

      ETA

  • @George_M_
    @George_M_ 9 месяцев назад +851

    Hell hath no fury like an artist being told they're mid.

    • @bestplayeralive
      @bestplayeralive 9 месяцев назад +36

      Id say he got the last laugh considering his career continued to grow.

    • @custos3249
      @custos3249 9 месяцев назад +11

      Quoth the Starbucks batista

    • @SC-dm1ct
      @SC-dm1ct 8 месяцев назад +29

      @@bestplayeralive Maybe? But apparently he deeply regretted that work, and if he went so far as to refuse showing it to anyone, it probably meant it was a point of personal embarrassment. When we act in anger or hate we're often left to live with the consequences on our psyches. With time your memory of a persona slight will fade, but remember an evil you committed tends to stay fresh, if you're not a sociopath that is.

    • @LilyFlowers-hh3sc
      @LilyFlowers-hh3sc 8 месяцев назад

      Lol

    • @anasalsubhi6370
      @anasalsubhi6370 8 месяцев назад +1

      mid mid mid

  • @casimirgythe2181
    @casimirgythe2181 9 месяцев назад +520

    Reminds me of a Knight's Tale and Chaucer's lines: "I will eviscerate you in fiction. Every pimple, every character flaw. I was naked for a day; you will be naked for eternity."

    • @Jeff-q4u
      @Jeff-q4u 9 месяцев назад +14

      Brutal 😮

    • @geraldmartin7703
      @geraldmartin7703 9 месяцев назад +7

      What did he do on the day he was naked?

    • @MsDormy
      @MsDormy 9 месяцев назад +13

      Chaucer, on the day that he was naked, (according to the film A Knight’s Tale) trudged.

    • @custos3249
      @custos3249 9 месяцев назад +7

      To which the contemporary, over 9000 level IQ internet retort outside "u mad bro" would be "they're living rent free in your head." Funny how every troll paints themselves a Rembrandt, yet with the skill of Steve-O and notoriety of a droplet off a urinal.

    • @mmde-fb5rq
      @mmde-fb5rq 3 дня назад

      That's a great reference!

  • @KenNeumeister
    @KenNeumeister 9 месяцев назад +546

    amazing how back then, the audience quickly comprehend the content of a full-length feature film out of Hollywood woven into a single painting.

    • @billpetersen298
      @billpetersen298 9 месяцев назад +14

      And it was better.

    • @jodofe4879
      @jodofe4879 9 месяцев назад +56

      Well, the audience did consist of art snobs. It is pretty much their job to understand those references. It is not as if your average Parisian at the time would have understood.

    • @captainlengthwidth6692
      @captainlengthwidth6692 8 месяцев назад +27

      @@jodofe4879'Art snobs' is a bit much. A limited educated elite certainly (this was not art for the masses) but appreciating and understanding the contemporary arts was part of everyday life for the 'upper strata' of European societies back then. Doesn't make them all 'Art Snobs'.

    • @Kkubey
      @Kkubey 7 месяцев назад +7

      With much less sources, people were exposed to pretty much the same things at all times. So what we'd call an "inside joke" would have been just something normal to them.

    • @Shahi_lancer
      @Shahi_lancer 6 месяцев назад +9

      The audience was not your everyday average joe. The people who could access these galleries were wealthy learned ppl

  • @awesomyth
    @awesomyth 9 месяцев назад +1390

    As an artists I can see why he felt scammed about receiving half of the pay he was promised, but my sympathy ends there. Everything after that was EXPLICITLY about his own pride. And it's sad that this scenario kept happening back then. Especially considering that he was a flourishing artists with a great career that wouldn't have taken a hit. But nope. Woman makes you mad? Ruin her entire reputation and livelihood.

    • @mimsydreams
      @mimsydreams 9 месяцев назад +100

      Exactly. He went too far to just ruin her whole life like that.

    • @petiaivailova2563
      @petiaivailova2563 9 месяцев назад

      As a woman, I have no sympathy for elite prostitutes. I think they should know their place and not pretend to be aristocrats. Today's and then's.

    • @seeleunit2000
      @seeleunit2000 9 месяцев назад +22

      Exactly.

    • @fmor2779
      @fmor2779 9 месяцев назад +68

      I feel the same, I drew the line with the child. Also... did he appealed to court to get paid what they agreed? I am sorry, maybe I don't know how it worked back then.

    • @firelordOzai3
      @firelordOzai3 9 месяцев назад +49

      Please stop virtue signalling, there’s no-one but strangers here. This was a bad ass move and she had it coming for being a scoundrel. I might add, none of the things he depicted were untrue, she didn’t conduct herself very well at all

  • @trickstergod6503
    @trickstergod6503 9 месяцев назад +197

    The coin killing the fidelity dove, not only represents Lange’s infidelity but that of Zeus as well. Zeus was known for his adulterous marriage with his sister Hera, who was known for her jealousy, so he took on various forms so she wouldn’t recognise him. Examples of this include him being a bull for Europa, a swan for Leda, a satyr for Antiope, Artemis for Callisto and a golden shower for Danae. These shapeshifting sexcapades were almost always found out by Hera, who mistreated her husband’s lover. Infact she tells Acrisius what happens and he throws Danae and her son Perseus in a box into the sea. Luckily they both survive. Despite not appearing in the painting, her sacred bird the peacock does appear.

    • @haplessasshole9615
      @haplessasshole9615 9 месяцев назад +2

      By "her sacred bird," you mean Hera's, just to clarify the pronoun's referent. But I had forgotten Perseus was the result of the golden shower, and the peacock/Hera connection whizzed right past me, because I stopped at Vanity. Thanks for this comment. I'm pretty good on Christian symbolism, but I'm not so swift on the Classical symbol-set. I like filling in the many large blanks in my knowledge of Classical images.

    • @janegarner6739
      @janegarner6739 9 месяцев назад

      Zeus was known for raping girls, boys, & women, not merely for cheating on his wife or seducing others. This Greek king of the gods, later the Roman version called Jove, like many of the classical gods & heroes, took the form of various animals (& clouds, etc) in order to first entice, then rape his victims. His sexual partners were seldom willing participants.
      As I learned from studying Latin in high school, the classical Greek & later Roman cultures were extremely patriarchal. Rape of women, girls & boys, was acceptable. Translating the myths, which were often told in a romantic way, the object of desire often tried to avoid the rapist god or hero by transforming themselves into trees or flowering plants, thus occasionally succeeding in preventing the rape.
      My favorite myth was that of Circe & the Argonauts led by Jason, because the male aggressors had the tables turned on them, at least temporarily. Circe & her Sirens, who inhabited their own island, lured Jason & his crew to the island by singing very alluringly, & Jason & his men landing there expecting to exploit the sirens sexually in clearly violent ways. But Circe transformed the men into swine, who proceeded to snort & root about for food.
      Unfortunately, Jason is able to break the spell & escape with his crew.
      Speaking of Zeus or Jove or the great mythological male heroes, using terms that indicate consensual sex with women or girls or boys as a rule gives an entirely false impression of these cultures.
      Western patriarchal structures are largely based upon those of ancient Rome, including marriage as a social & legal structure, & are still deeply embedded in modern society. The family consisted of the male head of household, who legally owned his wife & children, with his wife usually in charge of other slaves who served the household---that is, the wife acted as an overseer but was nonetheless still a slave herself. Upon reaching legal age, a daughter was transferred from her father to her husband's ownership. Male offspring, upon reaching legal age were legally freed & were expected to marry & become head & master of their own families. This & many other ancient customs are still found in modern wedding traditions, such as the father "giving away" his daughter to her husband. But until into the 20th c., western marriage was still very closely aligned with the ancient Roman institution of the husband/father as legal owner of his wife & children.

  • @mikesmith6838
    @mikesmith6838 9 месяцев назад +1686

    Adding her daughter was definitely going too far!

    • @tsumu6959
      @tsumu6959 9 месяцев назад +124

      Agreed, the dispute between Girodet and Lange is a "he said she said" situation (maybe Lange has asked for specific changes and Girodet didn't implement it, maybe Girodet has shown her a draft before and she ok'd it, we just don't know), but even if Lange is 100% at fault, Girodet could have easily left the little girl out of the picture.

    • @astherlia7292
      @astherlia7292 9 месяцев назад +8

      totally agreed, but i dont mind if he is putting the adult or matured version of the daughter.

    • @charlottewagner715
      @charlottewagner715 9 месяцев назад +29

      That's a sticking point to me too. But in those days, people were a LOT less protective of children.

    • @ImCurrentlyNaked
      @ImCurrentlyNaked 8 месяцев назад +12

      I get the feeling one of his big criticisms is that she is a poor influence on her daughter. Notice how she is helping collect the coins, and how the mother's hand is placed directly on her head - I think he is sending a very clear message about how she is being raised.
      So too far? Yeah... But given what (I think) the critique is, it needed to be said (or painted, in this case).

    • @zeframmann1641
      @zeframmann1641 8 месяцев назад

      Talk shit get hit.

  • @daveseddon5227
    @daveseddon5227 9 месяцев назад +87

    What I want to know is how you find these wonderfully bizarre works of art with their even more outlandish but entertaining stories! 😊

    • @joanhoffman3702
      @joanhoffman3702 9 месяцев назад +11

      @@joeybloey3631 I took an art history class. It was definitely not as entertaining as this channel!

  • @cinderfox5217
    @cinderfox5217 9 месяцев назад +328

    I DID AN ESSAY ON THIS PAINTING!!! Never thought I’d see it covered on this channel!
    I suspect that she didn’t like the Venus painting because it depicted her too scandalously and she wanted to distance herself from her promiscuous past as an actress, I mean, she was almost put in jail for the part she played in that royalist play in 1793. But then again, she must have posed for it herself, and it wasn’t scandalous to depict a goddess nude. Maybe she thought it made her seem vain? It does show her gazing into a mirror

    • @cftyftyufyfuyfty
      @cftyftyufyfuyfty 9 месяцев назад +30

      * has a nude painting done of herself *
      Why did you make me look so vain?¿?

    • @sameaston9587
      @sameaston9587 9 месяцев назад +43

      Methinks Girodet made several studies of Lange, while working out the composition for the first painting. The artist just pulled out one of the studies, and made a new painting with it.

    • @welcome2myhappyworld
      @welcome2myhappyworld 9 месяцев назад +27

      Could be the mirror bit. Maybe she told him she didn't like it because it made her look vain and he said "Okay I'll make another painting where you're too busy being greedy to look at the broken mirror in your hand"

  • @glorygloryholeallelujah
    @glorygloryholeallelujah 9 месяцев назад +44

    It doesn’t excuse his actions-but I’m glad he at least felt shame about it eventually.

  • @danieltorres7519
    @danieltorres7519 9 месяцев назад +139

    That is one hell of a story. I wouldn't have expected that painting to have a dark story behind it. Great video 👍

  • @lFathomEmotion
    @lFathomEmotion 9 месяцев назад +156

    Definetely unfair. Spider deserves some pay for ridding the studio of mosquitos.

  • @mariaochenas3634
    @mariaochenas3634 9 месяцев назад +56

    I think that Lange’s daughter is supposed to be Psyche because Psyche usually is portrayed with having butterfly wings and Lange’s daughter has them, too

  • @janicea135
    @janicea135 9 месяцев назад +48

    This is my comfort channel. Its also about art. Double win❤❤❤❤

  • @matrixiekitty2127
    @matrixiekitty2127 9 месяцев назад +19

    Not him using her DAUGHTER in the painting!! What a piece of work this artist!

  • @naly202
    @naly202 9 месяцев назад +94

    I don't understand people in the past.
    Lady - has her naked body exposed in a painting= no problem
    Also Lady--her naked body exposed plus a few symbols =tragedy. Ruined reputation.

    • @m.ceniza4688
      @m.ceniza4688 6 месяцев назад +1

      I guess being publicly exposed as a hoe was a bit too far for the French public? 😅😅😅

    • @SimplyGullible
      @SimplyGullible 6 месяцев назад +2

      Naked bodies were a sign that the artist put a lot of effort in the painting to give off a powerful message to those who see it. Thats how most of them went. Nowadays, naked bodies could mean basically anything

    • @SimplyGullible
      @SimplyGullible 6 месяцев назад +1

      Also, it was to emphasize the subject's identity although there are enough evidence to tell that, this means the girodet specifically wanted to target it at her so people will feel the depth of it

  • @fruity4820
    @fruity4820 9 месяцев назад +392

    I don't think I am mad at the dude as much as I am mad that his reputation recovered after some while, while she was literally forced to move out of the country out of shame. Plus her daughter had nothing to do with the whole thing, that was definitely too far on his part. And I have to assume that the fact we can know all of those details of her life, means that most people in her time probably knew it too, nothing in that painting was supposed to be news to them, nothing should have changed, but because some petty artist dared to talked about it publicly, it's suddenly not that ok. And he really isn't one to judge someone else's greed, when he himself was born rich enough to not even need to be greedy and commit morally questionable deeds like she had to in order to rise to the top of society

    • @seeleunit2000
      @seeleunit2000 9 месяцев назад +84

      That's the point. The double standard of a guy who came from a well-off family does something "scandalous" by societal standards and eventually his reputation will define long run after a taking a small hit. While a woman without much means who has children out of wedlock get hit with a scandal it wrecks her life. This is something like has been going on for a long time. However, no one ever talks about it.

    • @Foxiepawstotti
      @Foxiepawstotti 9 месяцев назад +22

      Well put, the double standards are astonishing.

    • @johnlove2954
      @johnlove2954 9 месяцев назад +11

      Did you just literally justify someone's greed and morally questionable deeds and that people who are born rich cannot morally question someone's greed?
      So next time a mugger kills your family and loots them, he is not wrong because.imagine if you were born in the same conditions as him.
      It is also astonishing that you call a man not receiving his pay as petty as if it is his fault.
      Really reveals pathetic mentality of the certain sections of society

    • @Olivia-kt9gr
      @Olivia-kt9gr 9 месяцев назад +28

      @@johnlove2954not paying enough for a painting is comparable to murdering someone to you?

    • @fruity4820
      @fruity4820 9 месяцев назад +21

      @@johnlove2954 that's why I said I don't judge him as much as I judge the double standards that allowed his reputation to recover after a while while she had to leave the country. Her wrongdoing was not respecting the agreement she had with the artist, but nothing in the revenge painting was about criticing that action, it was all about her getting expensive gifts from her lovers and her having a daughter outside marriage, what exactly makes her greedy? If the artist wanted to actually criticize her for not paying to him, that's what the painting would have focused on, but it didnt

  • @Skaitania
    @Skaitania 9 месяцев назад +140

    Reminds me of those despicable revenge acts that happen on social media, with private pictures and videos exposed to thousands or even millions - or those horrible acts of throwing acid into a victim's face that are just heart-breaking to read about. Even if there is some small level of justification to the initial emotion, in no way does it excuse something so cruel. And afterward the perpetrator sheds crocodile tears and are forgiven or at least forgotten, while the actual victim has no real way of ever escaping the torment that was done to them.
    I have never known about this piece, and maybe she would have preferred it that way, but at the very least the truth should be known to anyone who does see it.

    • @gymbmymb3465
      @gymbmymb3465 9 месяцев назад +2

      You sound european, mostly because you tried to empathize with an "acid-attacker" (we can't really say what we want to say can we?). I hope you didn't vote for those poor poor people to come into your country, if so you have nothing to complain about now do you?

    • @kayerk
      @kayerk 9 месяцев назад +15

      ​@gymbmymb3465 I think you need to work on your reading comprehension. Is English your first language?

    • @gymbmymb3465
      @gymbmymb3465 9 месяцев назад

      @@kayerk "Even if there is some small level of justification to the initial emotion" Right there, you read the rest of their comment and assumed there was no empathy didn't you? Perhaps your reading comp is the one in question dear, or maybe I said exactly what I said to incense people like you who have made great errors in judgement.
      Errors so great you have to worry about acid attacks from complete strangers.

    • @valvihk3649
      @valvihk3649 2 месяца назад

      I don't blame people for feeling bad for this woman but your comment doesn't really correlate to the subject much. The model actively chose to pose naked and knew that a bunch of people would see her naked. Paining someone is not a manner of a one second click for a photograph. It's a real commitment. He had all the right to be angry with her. All she had to do was stand around while he put in the effort. He gave her something to really get upset over. Those who leak private nudity photos are usually not the ones making those photos and were not the ones who consented into doing naked photos. Also, what does publishing pictures of naked women has to do with acid throwing? Acid throwing is a whole different horrific subject that stands on it's own. It's full of hardcore violence and misogyny. This painter was bitter but it shows no misogyny and nothing to what those Indians do to women. You are comparison internal shame to victims who survived and live the remainder of their lives in pain and disability. . .

  • @ThepupsnameisBrian
    @ThepupsnameisBrian 9 месяцев назад +47

    This was fascinating! Thank you!

    • @Art_Deco
      @Art_Deco  9 месяцев назад +2

      Thank you!

  • @2Btoobee
    @2Btoobee 9 месяцев назад +23

    thanks for explaining paintings!

  • @sophiaisabelle027
    @sophiaisabelle027 9 месяцев назад +64

    Paintings are supposed to convey impactful messages. But sometimes they could often their subjects too harshly to the point of absolute no return.

  • @cambiata
    @cambiata 9 месяцев назад +351

    Not friggin' justified. This is like the revenge porn of it's day. No possible justification, and that was before he added her innocent daughter to the thing.

    • @breadispain454
      @breadispain454 9 месяцев назад +17

      she didnt pay, she suffered the consequences. that's her fault

    • @Laocoon283
      @Laocoon283 9 месяцев назад +2

      I love that shit

    • @edelweissdebergbaldrian7696
      @edelweissdebergbaldrian7696 9 месяцев назад +35

      @@breadispain454 I hope you come to understand the full meaning in time.

    • @edelweissdebergbaldrian7696
      @edelweissdebergbaldrian7696 9 месяцев назад

      @@Laocoon283 That is so unkind, you're the type who deserves this treatment. You want to hurt women, not protect them.

    • @Laocoon283
      @Laocoon283 9 месяцев назад +1

      @@edelweissdebergbaldrian7696 it's hot af is what it is

  • @trailcameralakeloon
    @trailcameralakeloon 9 месяцев назад +9

    The detail in this painting is astounding.

  • @jfu5222
    @jfu5222 9 месяцев назад +29

    Girodet and Mademoiselle Lange both seem unlikable, yet the painting is executed so well and the story interesting and filled with controversy. Lucky for me, it currently is hanging within a couple of miles from my home at The Minneapolis Institute of Arts. Not exactly a backwater, but I don't often see features on artworks to which I have ready access. Thank you!

    • @Kajenx
      @Kajenx 6 месяцев назад +1

      Same here! I was excited to see it on a random youtube recommendation.

  • @rixx46
    @rixx46 9 месяцев назад +106

    Revenge porn of the day. I don’t recall seeing pubic hair in paintings of this era - I wonder if that was controversial

    • @custos3249
      @custos3249 9 месяцев назад +5

      It was during a time when primped wigs were all the rage for those who could afford them. A part from natural hair marking you as low class, STDs like syphilis and lice of all sorts were even more rampant than today. People expected there was only one unclean reason to hide.

    • @RuthvenMurgatroyd
      @RuthvenMurgatroyd 9 месяцев назад +1

      Not at all.

  • @kathieann5936
    @kathieann5936 9 месяцев назад +8

    Thank you for another very interesting story behind the painting. Looking forward to the next.

  • @LadybugPrinzess
    @LadybugPrinzess 9 месяцев назад +9

    Oh your videos are always so well written, told, edited and executed. I enjoy every video you make. ❤

  • @despinasgarden.4100
    @despinasgarden.4100 9 месяцев назад +52

    Me, seeing the tumbnail: Oh my God! What a beautiful painting! Also me, reading the tittle: Oh sh*t, not another madame X situation.
    I'm not going to lie, all that simbolism the artist implemented in the painting just to basicaly call the model an unfaithfull, greedy and shallow b*tch, is kinda impresive.... But using her daughter to throw shade at her was defenetly going too far.
    I don't believe the model deserved to have her reputation destroyed.

    • @edelweissdebergbaldrian7696
      @edelweissdebergbaldrian7696 9 месяцев назад +6

      I also thought of Madame X

    • @Kajenx
      @Kajenx 6 месяцев назад

      I don't think this is comparable to Madame X. Both Sargent and the sitter Gautreau had good intetions and Gautreau thought the painting was a masterpiece.

  • @nancyhope2205
    @nancyhope2205 9 месяцев назад +11

    Thank you for another terrific story!

  • @johnzengerle7576
    @johnzengerle7576 9 месяцев назад +1

    Thanks!

  • @Fujoshi1412
    @Fujoshi1412 9 месяцев назад +6

    I think he forgot about one thing which was others trust in him. This no doubt put off anyone from working with him for a while. So of course it hit his reputation, likely being seen as a spiteful person who wanted to get back at a client. He should have insisted instead to redo the original one and ask the person which parts are unflattering. It would have instead made his reputation better and improved his image as someone who works well with clients. Instead he got the deserved recognition of his reputation taking a hit. Likely because others might have saw it as ‘he could do this to us too.’

  • @Serai3
    @Serai3 9 месяцев назад +228

    He was a petulant brat who ruined a woman out of spite. About as far from "justified" as one can get.

    • @joeybloey3631
      @joeybloey3631 9 месяцев назад +6

      It's OK though because boobies. Well played Girodet, well played...

    • @Laocoon283
      @Laocoon283 9 месяцев назад +13

      She was just as petulant...

    • @gbrla110
      @gbrla110 9 месяцев назад

      Bruh? She payed him half of what she agreed with him because she decide that such a beautifully made portrait was somehow "unflattering"
      Imagine spending god knows how many hours and resources making a painting like that just to be told that it sucks and then getting just half of what you were meant to get because the one who comissioned it decided that they don't like it
      All the time and resources lost plus the damage to his credibility as an artist and the disrespect from the models part
      What she did is nothing short of theft, she's a bitch

    • @parthsavyasachi9348
      @parthsavyasachi9348 9 месяцев назад

      Society hasn't changed a bit. If genders were reversed the same act would be praised and people would say he deserved it.
      We live in very misandrist society

    • @bennu547
      @bennu547 9 месяцев назад +1

      Not like he made anything up if she was truly a vain, selfish woman who cheated on all of her partners. Truly she ruined herself by being a shit human being. He just pointed it out

  • @KEP1983
    @KEP1983 8 месяцев назад +65

    What's impressive to me is that people used to be able to "read" and understand paintings like this. If someone were to paint the exact same painting today, but painted with some other famous person as the model, nobody would know any of the significance of any of the symbols. Everyone would likely just say it's a nice painting.

    • @laurenpeacock6343
      @laurenpeacock6343 8 месяцев назад +12

      But we can read film this way. We have the media literacy that reflects what our culture emphasises.

    • @KEP1983
      @KEP1983 8 месяцев назад +4

      @@laurenpeacock6343 oh, I totally agree. I love painting and would love to have lived with the Old Masters or 19th century masters. But film is our culture's current art form.

    • @danielkoher1944
      @danielkoher1944 8 месяцев назад +2

      That is a nice painting!

    • @Kajenx
      @Kajenx 6 месяцев назад +6

      That's not really true. Imagine putting Trump's hairstyle on someone, or depicting a woman in Marylin Monroe's blowing dress. Mythology was a big part of pop culture in the Victorian era.

    • @ishitapandey2037
      @ishitapandey2037 4 месяца назад +2

      And the ones' able to decipher this painting were prolly of same elite circle as the model meaning the gossip mill was for sure working on full speed.​@@Kajenx

  • @kellyparkerdesigns
    @kellyparkerdesigns 9 месяцев назад +9

    Excellent video! I teach art appreciation and have not seen this painting. I will be adding it to my class.

  • @holyrandomness5654
    @holyrandomness5654 9 месяцев назад +195

    He took it too far. All she said was she didn't like the painting. Though she should have honored the original price. Still that painting was not okay, and I’m glad he later regretted it.

    • @parthsavyasachi9348
      @parthsavyasachi9348 9 месяцев назад +15

      Not paying is the main problem that you think is minor issue.
      It isn't minor issue here.

    • @iTsEfFiNsTePhh
      @iTsEfFiNsTePhh 9 месяцев назад

      So you're saying it's okay to do all of this evil shit and involve an innocent child who had nothing to do with it just because someone doesn't pay you (even though he didn't do what he was supposed to do in turn not earning that pay so I agree with what she did hell she was being kind even giving him anything at all- if I hire someone for say landscaping and they do a half assed job, don't do all of what I asked for or don't do any of what I asked for instead only doing what they want to do then they're not getting paid because they didn't uphold their end of the deal and in your mind if that happens then they have the right to release revenge porn of me, attack my children, attack the people in my life, attack me, shame my livelihood, shame the people who choose on their own accord with their own free will to participate in that livelihood they weren't forced, and ruin my life on top of my loved ones and anyone else within range so much so that I have to flee my home while he barely gets a slap on the wrist and goes on to live his best life)? 😬 He was nothing more then an arrogant selfish immature man baby who was so far up his own ass that he couldn't see how much of a POS he was being and couldn't fathom how someone could even dare to not like his "PeRfEcT" art work on top of being from the upper class and living in a solely man's world where women were nothing but shit on their shoes so please spare me 🙄 He even regretted doing it later on so obviously once he got older and hopefully more wiser and mature even he knew how bad what he did was so obviously it's bad 🤷🏻‍♀️ Back then a woman's reputation was life or death and even a hint of scandal could ruin her (even though men did it and were even encouraged to do those same things the double standards were very real back then).
      Even if he had done exactly what she wanted to the T she still didn't deserve what happened to her and to her innocent loved ones. No excuse.

    • @38nrce38
      @38nrce38 9 месяцев назад +1

      Her mass infidelities no doubt had major impacts on innocent wives and children. She reaped what she sowed. I feel bad about her kid though and I bet that’s why the artist regretted his ire.

    • @holyrandomness5654
      @holyrandomness5654 9 месяцев назад +14

      @@parthsavyasachi9348 It literally is when a woman’s life is ruined. Plus she did pay, but half the amount. So again, minor.

    • @parthsavyasachi9348
      @parthsavyasachi9348 9 месяцев назад

      @@holyrandomness5654 the fact that her life is ruined by it shows that it isn't minor issue.
      She got what she deserved. You also sound like someone who doesn't value other persons hardwork.
      Disgusting.

  • @Starowlnightwatch
    @Starowlnightwatch 9 месяцев назад +8

    I love your videos their educational and fun! Please continue what you're doing I never miss any of your videos. Lots of love to you

  • @williamevans9426
    @williamevans9426 9 месяцев назад +5

    Fascinating! Many thanks for this detailed explanation.

  • @h0rriphic
    @h0rriphic 9 месяцев назад +3

    This is easily one of the best channels on RUclips.

  • @sharonkaczorowski8690
    @sharonkaczorowski8690 9 месяцев назад +27

    Including her daughter is just plain vile. Nasty behavior. Poor woman.

  • @judithcatlett8518
    @judithcatlett8518 9 месяцев назад +5

    Enjoy your interpretations of these masterpieces. I would not have known any of this, so thank you. Look forward to your next painting review.

  • @LadyMauraM
    @LadyMauraM 9 месяцев назад +3

    Yay!!! Another Art Deco video!!!💚
    I've been a long-time viewer now, and I'm so very happy I found you! Not only are your videos entertaining and fun, but your explanations make it so much easier for me to digest and understand😅

  • @PippiCat-ti4jd
    @PippiCat-ti4jd 5 месяцев назад +1

    I live like 3 hours away from the Minneapolis institute of art and distinctly remember seeing this piece when i was younger and even having a post card with the piece on it, and it’s always been my favorite piece of art

  • @michasia_michelle2008
    @michasia_michelle2008 8 месяцев назад +3

    there is so much intelligence and talent in this painting its amazing...

  • @electraruby
    @electraruby 9 месяцев назад +4

    The first portrait was lovely.

  • @josephhargrove4319
    @josephhargrove4319 9 месяцев назад +6

    Another great video. Thanks.
    richard
    --

  • @mmde-fb5rq
    @mmde-fb5rq 3 дня назад

    I've never heard of this! What a wonderfully evocative event! There's something so modern about the whole drama. I guess it shows that some human experiences are universal, even across time. Another great video, thank you x

  • @4everasinger286
    @4everasinger286 9 месяцев назад +10

    Another awesome and thought provoking vid!!! I'd love to see you do Guernica by Picasso!!

  • @Tebogojm87
    @Tebogojm87 9 месяцев назад +2

    I swear I learn more and more about painting interpretation from this channel

  • @lauramonroe3702
    @lauramonroe3702 9 месяцев назад +4

    I absolutely love your videos!
    Very informative and humorous, too.

  • @nancyhope2205
    @nancyhope2205 9 месяцев назад

    Thanks

  • @rosezingleman5007
    @rosezingleman5007 9 месяцев назад +101

    Please folks, don’t paint in anger.

    • @zeltzamer4010
      @zeltzamer4010 9 месяцев назад +7

      I think spite can be a good motivator for art. Just depends on how it’s used.

    • @Wind_Falcon
      @Wind_Falcon 9 месяцев назад +14

      Considering how good the painting is, especially in terms of symbolist art - I would disagree.

    • @custos3249
      @custos3249 9 месяцев назад +6

      Which would spell the end of painting, but ok

    • @oaktharas
      @oaktharas 9 месяцев назад +6

      He paints pretty neatly and calmly when angry😅 I wonder how he paints Not angry

    • @expressoevangelism80
      @expressoevangelism80 6 месяцев назад +1

      I’m aware of the latent dangers hidden in art. I generally paint with the inspiration of love, in the hope of adding to people’s joy, rather than making them mad.
      I was initially inspired at college, when I first saw one of Cy Twobly’s very bleak grey pictures, which I became very aware had the effect of making me cold and sad. That was like a Road to Damascus experience as far as realising the power of painting was concerned.
      From that point I immediately launched into a series of 9 pictures illustrating from the Bible in Galatians 5:22,23 The Fruit of the Spirit in my first abstract adventure. That was the start of my adventure into abstract work. From there I did my thesis on the Meaning of Colour, which was personally interesting and provoking.
      Life has gone on with some great personal exploration in my 60+ pictures through the book of Revelation.

  • @ellysetaylor5908
    @ellysetaylor5908 9 месяцев назад +27

    Imagine studying your whole life to become an amazing artist, only to use that talent to call some lady a sl*t in 50 different languages

    • @orchidia_J7
      @orchidia_J7 5 месяцев назад +3

      Sounds like waste of wisdom & talent to me….boy wasted his entirety just to be petty…💀💀

  • @Fadak_206
    @Fadak_206 7 месяцев назад +5

    He is a genius. Master artist who went too too too far But when he added her daughter, he deserved to go to jail.

  • @galloe8933
    @galloe8933 9 месяцев назад +10

    Not the point of this particular look into art and history. But Zeus, I think got someone pregnant by urinating on them from above.
    You don't do the swan thing, but also impregnate someone with gold, Zeus was a sick freak... And now that I stop to think about it, screwing up someone's life with a painting of them without clothes on and using the rest of the scenery to humiliate someone before poetically ending them with a broken heart sounds like something that old boy would do.
    Great video, what I said means nothing, just Zeus was the kind of sick, unfiltered freak who would surprise a gal with pregnancy pee.

  • @karencorcoran4628
    @karencorcoran4628 9 месяцев назад +19

    She was vain and greedy. He was spoiled and greedy. You are right. Nothing ever changes. Great videos!

  • @KimberlyLetsGo
    @KimberlyLetsGo 9 месяцев назад +57

    Both pieces are beyond beautiful, regardless of the symbolism. I wish there were more artists who painted in this style today. All the symbolism is reasons to look longingly at the painting and use critical thinking to understand it. There's a complex story within it. If you look at Warhol's Campbell soup painting, what is there to ponder?

    • @folioio
      @folioio 9 месяцев назад

      There are artists painting in this style! (Some call it Contemporary Academic Realism.) Check out the Art Renewal Center to see examples. There are classically trained artists doing amazing work out there.

    • @Serai3
      @Serai3 9 месяцев назад +17

      Plenty... if you want to find it. But if you're set on sneering, you'll never see it.

    • @KimberlyLetsGo
      @KimberlyLetsGo 9 месяцев назад +1

      @@Serai3 Oooh, another hostile, snotty artist!!!

    • @Serai3
      @Serai3 9 месяцев назад +1

      @@KimberlyLetsGo Ooooo, another supercilious uneducated amateur!!!!
      Grow up, little girl.

    • @ammena
      @ammena 9 месяцев назад +3

      ​@@KimberlyLetsGo maybe, if you stop going around calling modern art meaningless, the snotty artist (that you seem to meet often) will suddenly become rarer. magic trick, don't share it with anyone

  • @anayadegani626
    @anayadegani626 9 месяцев назад +50

    He didn't take revenge. He ruined her life and totally ruined her life. While ge regretted it later it didnt undo the damage. He also ruined an innocent child's life to be petty. He was the villain but he never got any karma. His reputation was safe but misogyny totally ruined her life. She was just a woman trying to survive and make a life for her daughter but the world called her immoral for that.

    • @rustyhowe3907
      @rustyhowe3907 8 месяцев назад

      While no doubt that same world lined up to sleep with her, the hypocrisy women face from society is insane.

  • @ronin2963
    @ronin2963 6 месяцев назад

    "Bold Lover, never canst thou kiss"
    Immortalized in averice and pride. I think this is a beautiful story. Well shared!

  • @smorgasbroad1132
    @smorgasbroad1132 9 месяцев назад +4

    I like a good revenge story myself. However, I doubt I would have liked Girodet regardless.
    This painting contradicts the old adage "revenge is a dish best served cold" Girodet wasted no time to let his wrath over the perceived insult cool down.

  • @pigtailgoddessOMGS
    @pigtailgoddessOMGS 9 месяцев назад +1

    I absolutely love your videos! All the history behind these paintings is so interesting!

  • @Pooneil1984
    @Pooneil1984 9 месяцев назад +18

    Highly creative people are as vicious as anyone else. Only they express it so much better.

  • @jessicajayes8326
    @jessicajayes8326 9 месяцев назад +9

    This painting is in Minnesota? That's where I live!!

  • @rose13red
    @rose13red 9 месяцев назад +15

    He definitely went too far bringing an innocent child into his revenge. This is yet another example of how men never get canceled, their career always comes back. But women get canceled forever

  • @WBK96
    @WBK96 9 месяцев назад +2

    Love the video as always! Just wondered - what’s the symbolism behind the butterfly (?) wings on her daughter?

  • @pharaohcaesar
    @pharaohcaesar 9 месяцев назад +3

    Now that is the power of art!😀

  • @BornRemaining
    @BornRemaining 8 месяцев назад +2

    If someone ruined my life via sexual humiliation b/c I didn't pay them "enough" to make a commission I hated and rejected, I'd be out for his heads. Yes, both of them, each gets its own pike. He was lucky to get paid at all for unsatisfactory work from someone who was supposedly so greedy. Such a projector.

  • @damnyankeerebelprepper1324
    @damnyankeerebelprepper1324 9 месяцев назад +12

    That's sad, as at first glance the painting is quite beautiful.

  • @jeffreybrannen9465
    @jeffreybrannen9465 Месяц назад +1

    Everyone knew who she was and what she was like. He just called it like it was. On his part, this is cold, calculating revenge. It is perfectly executed and perfectly timed. Her vanity and greed led to his reaction.
    Morally, both were wrong, but yeah, he shouldn’t have included her daughter

  • @zorromaskedman8220
    @zorromaskedman8220 9 месяцев назад +10

    Thanks Art Deco ! Girodet's works are stunningly beautiful. This is another example of how being involved with an artist IS a double edged sword. By 1793 Lange was already middle-aged for 1790's. She escaped being executed, and should have counted her lucky stars! Girodet also went too far. He supremely insulted her twice. The importance of the Art galleries was unmistakable. The statue on the shelf of Abundance, "Good Hopes and Holy Hearts", they could have lived a different life. So is the story of love's strange path...

  • @kalinaribic6383
    @kalinaribic6383 9 месяцев назад +6

    So, basically, this painting is the original revenge pornagraphy before revenge pornagraphy was even a thing.

    • @BeansPredi-ch6xk
      @BeansPredi-ch6xk 5 месяцев назад +2

      Well no. She likely had already posed nude many times and her painting was to be made public anyways. Thus isn’t leaking nudes.

  • @ABeautfulMess
    @ABeautfulMess 9 месяцев назад +24

    I loved the first one... adore this show..men just can't stand rejection of any kind.😂

    • @ABeautfulMess
      @ABeautfulMess 9 месяцев назад +7

      @@Shilanga-w2k did you notice the laughing emoji..I was joking..WoW

    • @DiabolicalAngel
      @DiabolicalAngel 9 месяцев назад +1

      If it doesn't apply, let it fly.

    • @zeltzamer4010
      @zeltzamer4010 9 месяцев назад +6

      He wasn’t rejected though. She didn’t pay him the planned amount apparently.

  • @Chiller11
    @Chiller11 9 месяцев назад

    I enjoy your analyses of these paintings. You describe the technical artistry plus you bring some history which informs the deeper symbolism all with a light humorous touch. Really entertaining and informative at the same time. Wish you had taught my art history classes.

  • @ashleyklump4638
    @ashleyklump4638 9 месяцев назад +3

    This is what society lives for today. But, the symbolism is lost to many. I love it. I want to learn about the symbolism and all that. 😊

  • @brooklynrocks2396
    @brooklynrocks2396 9 месяцев назад +2

    I so much love your explanation of paintings. ❤❤❤

  • @globalheart
    @globalheart 9 месяцев назад +5

    Ok..he was a driven perfectionistic narcissist...and do they ever go for revenge!! One wonders if this was a battle between 2 narcissists even...Of course he'd later have regrets...but only for his own inner shame, thinking he'd been bested in some way. P.s. another highly observant, well researched and educational video!! Thx!

  • @JoeyCannoli
    @JoeyCannoli 9 месяцев назад +2

    TL;DR: Hot-headed artist gets duped by a lady because she didn’t like his painting of her, so he gets nuclear revenge by making a new one that uses the power of symbolism to destroy her reputation.

  • @aseretbrown
    @aseretbrown 9 месяцев назад +9

    Defiantly not justified. Her daughter didn't do anything!

    • @Wind_Falcon
      @Wind_Falcon 9 месяцев назад

      True, but it's not like he made anything humiliating regarding the daughter herself, he just put her in there in relation to the lady.

  • @edwardquin4464
    @edwardquin4464 2 месяца назад

    Your work is a wonderful gift! Thank you so much!

  • @deanteasdale8261
    @deanteasdale8261 8 месяцев назад +3

    The guy should have just done his job, revenge is empty nonsense, you can't run a business taking 'revenge' on every customer who isn't happy. Girodet was a spoilt little nob.

  • @Jeff-q4u
    @Jeff-q4u 9 месяцев назад

    I love your videos. I adore older paintings precisely for this reason, they all have a story behind them, but unfortunately I don't know the story!
    Your videos are always so well researched and written, they are a joy to watch 🏵🌼🌻

  • @geminiblue6677
    @geminiblue6677 9 месяцев назад +6

    Poor customer service by the artist. Should have checked with her before displaying the painting and made the necessary corrections instead of his new parody painting.

    • @larryzink8978
      @larryzink8978 6 месяцев назад +1

      Ahem, the man was an established Artist, not a decorator. "Corrections?" This Loose woman just had buyer's remorse.

    • @Valentina.Montano
      @Valentina.Montano 2 месяца назад

      ​@@larryzink8978 so is porn revenge a way to go? You men are really something else, no matter the times.

  • @keltaruusutravels4024
    @keltaruusutravels4024 9 месяцев назад +2

    Girodet didnt just spill a little tea on a deadbeat actress, he went full on nuclear revenge. But he was an extremely talented a-hole. Both paintings were wonderful.

  • @microdesigns2000
    @microdesigns2000 9 месяцев назад +7

    Revenge is never justified.

  • @radarmusen
    @radarmusen 9 месяцев назад +2

    Maybe the daughter helping to grab money is meant that she will end up like her. I really like how much symbolism they had put in to those paintings. And nice to have someone there can explain it for me.

  • @ErsatzMcGuffin
    @ErsatzMcGuffin 9 месяцев назад +12

    Way Too Harsh!
    I've heard somewhere that peacock feathers also represented homesexuality!
    Perhaps it can represent more than just infidelity to include some sorta non-conventional or socially improper relationships?
    Or did I misunderstand the meaning or interpretation of a peacock feather.
    Even today calling or branding someone a 'turkey' is pejorative.
    I also wondered of the artist didn't have a crush on her that wasn't reciprocal, prompting such harsh treatment.

    • @evelanpatton
      @evelanpatton 9 месяцев назад +6

      FYI: Only in the sense that “peacock” represents a “dandy”- so it is not sexually suggestive, but more of an attitude of vanity in one’s carriage. (Not all “dandy”’s are homosexual, not all homosexuals are dandy’s.)

    • @ErsatzMcGuffin
      @ErsatzMcGuffin 9 месяцев назад +2

      @@evelanpatton I was thinking of Edmund Dulac's, 'Charles Ricketts & Charles Shannon'... monks, hinting a male bond w/a peacock feather held in hand.
      Maybe, perhaps a Rorschach Test exposing more of me than the art??? LOL

  • @HBADGERBRAD
    @HBADGERBRAD 9 месяцев назад +1

    How do you know and understand the symbolism in this and many other painting? I am always bewildered by how much you can see and understand. I’m a huge fan of your channel because I love to learn.😊

  • @cindchan
    @cindchan 9 месяцев назад +12

    Bringing her kid into it (who had done nothing to him) was repulsive. I can understand being bitter about someone dissing your work and refusing payment, but keep it to the person who insulted you! Keep their child out of it!

  • @Nyctophora
    @Nyctophora 7 месяцев назад +2

    He should have been paid. She saw the sketches, she should have coughed up. However. He was extremely out of order, especially when he added her child into the painting, naked, for yet another cheap point. Vile.

  • @marianajmj
    @marianajmj 9 месяцев назад +3

    I love your content, it is informative and entertaining.

  • @Rapha_Carpio
    @Rapha_Carpio 9 месяцев назад

    the subtle change in her face at 2:22 was amazing, I wonder how you do that, like photoshop? after effects? I'm sure you cant do it on premiere pro.

  • @seeleunit2000
    @seeleunit2000 9 месяцев назад +3

    Honestly, I think he as well as society at the time took things too far. And just like with many paintings as time goes on a "scandalous" work of art is seen as a masterpiece.

  • @FlossTheBoss-iv3tf
    @FlossTheBoss-iv3tf 9 месяцев назад +4

    Okay so I see both sides here, and I get why the artist was mad about not being payed properly, and the painting while maybe a little harsh is very good…I just don’t like that he brought the daughter into it. I understand he was angry but it feels nasty. Wrong. First rule of defaming someone should really be ‘leave their kids out of it this isn’t their problem.’

  • @galdramann2478
    @galdramann2478 9 месяцев назад +4

    If you look at the bottom left, you also see the title of Plautus' comedy "Asinaria" (from Latin asinus "donkey"), which is about a couple and a fraud.

  • @Awesumpye25
    @Awesumpye25 Месяц назад

    I found my new favorite channel😂❤ I even bought a print of this painting for my gallery wall because of this video

  • @birdieberry
    @birdieberry 9 месяцев назад +6

    And that was before social media...oof. Nothing's changed. *smh

  • @tsokoo_585
    @tsokoo_585 9 месяцев назад

    I love how you easily explain these paintings, youre one of the reasons why i got into art history in the first place!! :)
    I would love to hear your thoughts on the painting Hymen, oh Hyménée!

  • @kimberlypatton205
    @kimberlypatton205 9 месяцев назад +5

    A definite clash if egos! My goodness I adore this channel!

  • @LostInThe0zone
    @LostInThe0zone 9 месяцев назад +1

    Excellent painting. Amazing effort for 15 days.