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"OpenAI" already used stackoverflow's data to train their GPTs. Now they are trying to cover that up.
Corpo gaslighting
- We didn't do that
- Ok we did but *enter reason
- Nah we didn't
I was just going to say that
This is why I'm confused. This is public knowledge. It is beyond the point of covering it up. So what does SO cooperating with them have to do with anything? It is too late to cooperate or resist. The war is over.
that's why the ai is so trashed out... can't even do a quicksort properly. cracks me up.
Open ai is just hoping the are worth more than they eventually will have to settle for
Closed! Another user posted a similar video.
This should have not been closed, I need to do this same thing in GoLang or Rust! 🤣
@@Create-The-Imaginable Closed, refer to the other video and rtfm. I use arch btw.
@@basdfgwe Thanks! I also need help getting it to run on a a Mac! I know it says it will not work because the build scripts break?
😂😂
this should be the accepted answer
English is not my mother tongue and I speak Arabic
I was browsing people's problems in Angler, which is my field, and I was answering in an organized manner and in formal English, and I was not surprised that Stack thought that if I was using artificial intelligence, I was banned for six days. Frankly, this is annoying.
I feel you. You get a ton of annoying correct spelling answers instead of correct ones.
I've also been accused of being an AI.
@@kattamaran Lol I was corrected from "wanna" to "want to". Is it really that important to correct? I corrected it back out of spite :D
@@ItsNITREX If someone corrected you it is because people get points for correcting spelling mistakes or really any edits.
You also get points for calling someone stupid. I shall not miss Stack Overflow.
Closed as duplicate. No I don't care the previous video is different.
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Please provide an explanation with your answer.
@@jerichaux9219 yeah ... stack overflow vibes
I thought AI models were already being trained on SO data for a long time?
The content is already Creative Commons, and anyone can take a copy of it provided they attribute the copies correctly.
Not sure what this says about AI training, but people *are* within their rights, already can and do export the whole of Stack Overflow and use for any purpose. There are even clone copies of SO content which are completely legit (they just have to preserve the usernames associated with the content).
This is also why SO can legitimately undo Q&A deletions and ban users for trying to "retract" their answers. The answers have officially been given to the public domain for all time. They are not exclusive to the person who wrote them, and not fully under their control any more. This predates AI generated content by over a decade.
Of course a lot of people never bothered with understanding the content rights in the first place. And a lot of people are also hypocrites, benefitting from other people's content then being very unrealistic about their own published in the same way. Some AI-based content producers are terrible for this, protecting their prompts etc, but this is not something that started happening with AI. For a long time plenty of people have been free and easy when copying, but get outraged when they themselves are copied (even when the thing being copied such as an idea for a piece of content is not even protected) . . .
No. Experimental proof: ChatGPT never told me I was a stupid idiot for trying to do whatever I was asking about.
Who would figure a well-mannered chatbot would smash stackoverflow to the ground.
When I was starting out and I couldn't find a solution, I had to ask and got bombarded with downvotes and insults. Asking a question was like preparing for a job interview, where the reward was 3 lines of code... Yes I did my research, yes I searched for duplicates, yes I did that, yes I did this, no I couldn't find the answer...
Just to get marked as a duplicate of a completely different thing that didn't solve any of my problems.
Agreed 100%. Exactly the same experience, just a bunch of elitists who want to gloat about being smarter than everyone else.
@@spearamintwolf6225 Absolutely. And now they are begging the same people they spat on for years to come back? Yeah, right. Hasta la vista, Baby!
We could go back to 2009 where the best answer were in the comments of personal blogs.
Those have also been scanned and integrated
That's brings memories, back in the times as a junior, after two days of searching Google I've found a response on 12 or 15 page of Google for a question about an abandoned framework that we have used. But I didn't know that at first, the site was in Japanese or Chinese, I was so desperate that I've used Google Translator and in the comments was some guy that ears earlier gave the response to question I was searching.
No need. AI can look at code and understand it. The use of SO is overblown. AI don't really need it anyway. SO close? So what? AI is way better anyway.
Ban internet, go back to 1981 where we have to buy C books again.
@@olafsigursons in low level programming ai really sucks, it uses stdlibs when I am in UEFI environment, lol.
Every AI answer trained on Stack: RTFM
Remember when every Reddit user went up in arms against API changes and then everyone stopped using Reddit? Yeah, me neither. This will blow over in a month. Handful of people who feel strongly about it will leave and the site will continue existing as if nothing has happened.
never went back , myself
Right, because "API changes" are on the same society-wide transformational scale as AI. Good comparison there
everyone indeed did not quit reddit. but the troll ratio deepened very quickly as many quality posters went elsewhere or just quit appearing in large gathering places.
@@fdsphone6854, r/popular was always a shit show and nothing has changed in that regard. And individual subreddits remain as useful as they’ve ever been.
Huge difference. As a lifelong developer, Stack Overflow was my last, desperate attempt to solve a problem after hours of following Google dead-ends. In the beginning, it was OK, but after a while, the experience became very negative -- either no responses or condescending responses from people who probably knew the answer but got a kick out of telling me I didn't ask it the right way, or I should know it, or it's a dumb question, or "duplicate" question or whatever else except the answer to the question. Alex did a video on this very subject. So best believe that I now happily use ChatGPT with StackOverflow being a *mostly* bad memory. And I'm sure I'm not the only one. Why would anybody expose themselves to an experience like that, not to mention waiting days for an answer that may or may not come, and may or may not be correct? Why, when you have an almost 80% chance of getting the answer within seconds of asking it? Stack Overflow is done. And, like OnlyFans (who will also be replaced by AI), I will not cry for them when they are gone.
Stackoverflow needs to be archived.
it was already archieved since 2014, no new questions allowed, everything was already answered and is a duplicate question
Anyone know how I could create a private archive? (though I assume if you download all the supporting gifs and images you'd end up with petabytes of data)
Kiwix is the best option :D
Kiwix
I'm quite inexperienced with programming. I posted a question and it was marked as duplicate. The trouble was that I knew so little about what my issue was, I was unable to successfully find it by searching. If a question isn't worth answering, don't answer it.
I tried reddit for my questions and it is a surprisingly friendly place. I'll never post to SO again.
Don't they at least let you know the duplicate source is so that you can be directed to the original question?
@@ICEknightnine they do, if you question is duplicate, you get the link to those similar questions. And it even gives you the link upon creating the question based on title/text to prevent posting of duplicate questions
Yeah I quit using Stack-Overflow a long time ago because it's just a Toxic Community and I've never actually known someone that has ever used it that didn't have a bad experience. If you ask a question your more likely to get down-voted and receive negative comments regarding the fact that you would dare ask a question like that....then you are to get an actual helpful response.
Did you say Reddit….. friendly place? I guess for programming, but for others, the downvote to hide dissenting views shows otherwise.
@@UuU1001. Don't know about you, but I much prefer having a dislike button like in Reddit so I can actually signal if I dislike a post/comment. Plus, having like & dislike button also lets you know if something is controversial (high likes & high dislikes). As for "hide dissenting views" - you can still view any post/comment even if it's been massively downvoted.
hmm, ok, you can train ai on existing questions and answers, but what about future questions where will be no community to ask? Imho ai is cutting branch it is sitting on and stack overflow is shortsighted
Until you realize that SO is just a control of the code they already get from public repositories... Really, people who think this will just end if you quit SO are hopelessly ignorant and or short sighted and probably we part of the problem on SO to begin with. I wouldn't hire them to do anything that's for sure...
Exactly, not to mention that AI is likely to answer giving a false information or a non-optimized code. There is still need for a community of programmers that help each other.
AI, at least at the moment, is merely a harvester rather a grower of quality information. I predict some silent springs ahead.
Go to a forum like back in the old days? Or go to discard channel with knowledgeable people if there is one? If newsgroups is still a thing, that can be used. We're too spoiled to expect an instant answer and it doesn't encourage you to go find the answer yourself. If AI lets the acquisition of new knowledge rot, I think that's a good thing, that means people will have to think for themselves once again and get out of AI paralysis.
definitely cutting a branch we are all sitting on. even chat gpt.. good times for progtammers tho. but you have to wait few years.
I loved the video about SO toxicity! Is it toxic to enjoy some schadenfreude over online toxicity?
i think since you’re not being actively toxic towards others, it’s not toxicity
Claude: We already have everything SO.
for the past 2 to 3 years all the answers I needed came from github issues, so has a huge issue with outdated answers, now it'll just get worse
This is a very shortsighted move by both companies: There will be always a need for a community of programmers that help each other, providing new solutions to new problems.
This way they're both hurting each other for a quick short-term advantage. That's simply dumb.
It's an even more shortsighted move for the community of programmers who aren't taking any account of the fact they posted on a public site and now want to undo that? It's just bizarre. They need to get over themselves. They handed it away the moment they made posts. It just doesn't make any sense to complain about other people using it when the whole purpose of the site is for people to use it. Their personal issues and fears of AI are not a valid reason to suddenly adopt this requirement for consent mentality. It wasn't something they ever attempted to force on platforms in any voluntary way. They simply want other people to adopt this view when it benefits them.
@@Korodarn The problem with SO is that it's a crutch to allow sub-par programmers to perform better. They then go on to potentially displace good programmers.
@@rhone733 Well, now chatGPT and AI will do the same 10X
@@rhone733 They won't be "displacing" good programmers, if they not good themselves. They will be creating additional market for good programmers to re-write and fix the code they wrote.
@@rhone733 counter argument, so was a place to learn and improve until it got kinda gatekeepy at least imo
This video rings true for every site on Stack Exchange. I am not a developer, and I don't even know the first thing about coding, but I have asked questions on other sites in Stack Exchange, and have either received incredibly impolite responses, or the topic was closed for no apparent reason. I left that site long ago for this very reason.
Tried few times to use stack overflow as a user, could never gain enough points to post, answer or contribute... so I deleted my account also several times...
I'm new to SO and programming as such and a genuine question which I didn't see anywhere and then the questionnaires to post a question was so overwhelming and still it wouldn't let me post the question. It won't let me comment to anyone's answers and won't let me uptick it. Basically can't do much other than read it for now. So those newbies like me have no part in it. Sorry SO state.
Deleted my profile long ago, every question to them is "opiniated", its supposed to be a fucking community
Yes. So much bad vibes there
true,blame the owner for that.
Stack Overflow is dead since strange reviewers (middle aged mostly teachers with an 'infinite' wisdom) made a gamification on downvoting legit answers
Anyone who thinks this doesnt happen, I can assure you it absolutely does in some capacity (even if it is small). Met a professor during my time in community college like 5 years ago who bragged about doing just this and replying to SO questions with "do your homework yourself".
Damn, you’re becoming more and more entertaining 😂 Amazing transformation!
I don't know how to feel about this. On one hand, I hate that SO is profiting off the work of thousands of people, on the other hand, SO users are condescending and can F off.
One question, what dud the ros you " signed" when you signed up to the site ( and any tos opdate you got while a member) say about data ownership and use
Its been years since i used stackoverflow. I normally need to use it when I'm learning something new, they say most of the questions have already been answered. But some of the questions are related to older versions - and your question even though you state is different to others due to the api changes etc... is marked as a duplicate to an old question. I've now just relied various forums, and unfortunately AI's.
Quite frankly I am glad to see stack overflow. I have tried to use stack overflow in the past asking questions as a new developer. The responses where less than helpful but more importantly most where rude and condescending.
Oh... These sorts of sites are chock full with folks for whom emotional intelligence is a concept that flies right over, that they may as well be emotionless robots!
But that said, I've been using SO for decades, and never ONCE felt the need to ask a question! Sure, I'm not a new developer, so I can easily navigate the site to find the answers that I'm looking for, because ultimately, if you DO have a question, chances are, that question has already been answered MULITPLE times! Hence the hostility when unwary devs DO ask questions.
But yes, for new and / or junior devs, this website IS toxic! And even though I have a pretty dim view of using AI in software development, I totally understand why it is a much needed and welcome addition to sites like SO!
SO's toxicity has effectively shot itself in the proverbial foot! But I still intend to use it for as long as it is around, because toxicity to one side, if you can navigate the site well enough to find what you want... Because the information that you need WILL be in there... Somewhere! Then I will gladly take a toxic human's answer over anything our current AI systems produce. Because largely, I just find what AI produces is just pure garbage!
But hey... Each to their own! 😁
Yeah, exactly that's why when people ask me about StackOverflow or mention it I tell them don't use that platform because it's not meant to help people. It's an Elitist Circle Jerk is all it is, your more likely to get help with a Programming Question at Walmart then you are Stack-Overflow.
Thanks for creating this video. SO is biting the hands that feeds them.
Tell me about it
But why? What do you lost if an AI is trained on your answers? Would you not lost less than if SO close? All that whining and anxiety about AI. AI don't need SO anyway. They can reason based on the code. And with context window going to the roof, AI will be able to analyze the whole base code. Whine all you want with that attitude you will be the first to be replace by AI anyway.
"I had to let them finish, it's rude to interrupt"... Exactly what I do when I politely ask co-pilot "Can you please..." or "Thanks, but instead I would like...". Being polite with "someone" I know it's neither human nor conscious. Old habits die hard.
Politeness now will serve you well when the robots start taking over.
People seem to forget, that polite conversation produces better responses from LLMs. Because it learns that politeness correlates with professionalism.
I think about the role of politeness in LLM interactions whenever someone complains that their Copilot has gotten "lazy" and now refuses to do their work for them. Like, (A) you're trying to get an AI to do your work for you, so who's being lazy again? And (B) maybe try telling it that it does have the capability you want, instead of swearing at it.
I've largely transitioned from being Google first to AI first regarding tech questions. Either of the premium versions of the two main models are probably worth the money in terms of the time they save as long as you approach them with a modicum of self-awareness (yes, knowing when to say, "Actually, a training course would be better," matters).
If you tinker with open source projects enough, you don't even need OpenAI Premium and use Pay-As-You-Go developer's API, much cheaper than a monthly sub.
Same, AI response is much faster. If it can't answer the question, then I'll start searching the internet.
I haven't used SO for God knows how long. It never solved my problems when I could just google more atomic problems from my well-defined problem and build upwards instead. Way faster than SO ever were. It had a place when I started out, but honestly, now it can just go shit bricks when RUclips itself solves that issue by giving new devs a lot of info. Wish I had that when I started out 20 years ago.
I actually have little issue with them banning people whatsoever given the intent of the site, which is to provide answers to questions. But I don't hold the common moral view, at all. I don't think people can own information, even about themselves. This isn't to say I think people are morally correct to share things that people want to keep confidential. Of course not, but answers on stack overflow are clearly not held in any kind of confidence. The information was always public, the whole purpose of the answer is helped by the answer being public, and it being included in training only increases the value.
So no, I don't take issues with what they did. Consent is not required to view or read something posted publicly. It's ridiculous to assert such a weird made up thing, which we only perceive as fair now that the models work. Nobody was complaining about the fact that training was always going to need to do this when they had no idea whether it would work. Nobody was making any effort to develop contracts or agreements to ensure their data wasn't shared. We all joined an open net, and joined social media, the most public thing that has ever existed. People like to feel like they care about this but they really don't. They'll keep using the free services over the long run.
I was just asking myself, "what happened to the concept of public domain?"
Im on the fence about owning information, but they already surrendered said information to a public website.
I can't remember the last time I visited SO. Documentation and LLMs are the way to go, especially for beginners. SO was extremely toxic to beginners
What was that intro hahahahaha
all stack overflow had to do is stop being asshole to their users or promote a culture to stop user being asshole to each other. would of solve many of these problem now. But they were too high on their horse thinking new user can take it or leave it. Get what's coming to them.
Isn't that exactly what they doing? They giving you personal assistant that will try to help you finding an answer without being asshole and harassing you for posting duplicate. If it won't be able to help you and you actually have a unique new problem you can still post a question and with higher probability no one will blame you for posting duplicate, because AI already covered you there. What's your problem now? I genuinely don't understand all of you who don't like that.
I used AI trained on drizzle-orm that they have on their site to get my answers and it was perfect experience. Instead of re-reading docs I get like 90% of an answer immediately. Now I will have same on SO if I ever need to visit it. Were is the negative side here?
Who will feed the AIs once all such platforms are gone?😮
AI will feed AI that will be used by AI
AI generated code will feed AI which at some point will make really bad code
It is all about AI Agents now! There will be several AI agents to take existing data and create new data to use it for training.
At this point I think it will be sophisticated enough that it will feed itself on docs and actual code.
@@robertpkthey won't need to be fed anymore.
This isn't capitalism. Infinite growth is not needed, and trained models don't decay over time or anything.
Stack overflow help me to clear my final year project . It is one of the best community to get best answers with details.
It's probably in the T&C when you create an account that they can use your data.
Still shitty on Stack Overflow side.
Do you own this data? Isn't it like prohibiting to take a video of you in public?
Anything posted on stack overflow is under the creative commons license, iirc.
It's cute that these users think deleting their answers from the public site mean they don't still have copies lol
if Ai is trained on stack overflow then why do we need stack overflow after this? lol
Alex, they've always operated this way. I called it out during a similar issue was happening years ago and was told not use the platform if I didnt like it by a very senior SO person. (I have the receipts if you wanna see it)
Is this the Reddit blackout version for coders?
Dis gonna be gud. Imagine ChatGPT mass producing advice along the lines of "Instead of doing what you are trying to do, you should instead do that other way cooler thing".
SO's terms were that user provided content was provided on an unconditional and royalty free basis. How else were SO ever going to earn revenue to actually provide the service (regardless of profitability, costs need to be covered). Also, the terms prevent users from revoking access the answers, so rather than ban people they just continue to keep that in the training data sets, even if it's no longer visible on SO. Whatever, SO can't really compete in the short term, and LLM's will degrade as tech develops and there is no data set for them to effectively train on. Ultimately I think that SO's future is to provide the reinforcement by human feedback to LLM's, so they both benefit (and devs too). A lot of people will be sad to see SO die because they put in effort contributing because it's a way of communicating a skill set (recruiters looking at SO status as a guide to experience).
I hope that SO doesn't die, it's still a very useful tool.
>recruiters looking at SO status as a guide to experience
is this actually happening? I haven't spent much time in interviews, but never seen that
Deleted my profile at SO. Bye bye.
Bye
Spare me the faux outrage. It's crazy to me that developers of all people think that there is some kind of way to prevent public data from being used to train AI. If you want to get paid to share programming knowledge, you are already wrong. Back in the 80s and 90s, this behaviour would get you kicked out of many communities. Just leave the community if you don't like it. Sabotaging the knowledge to thwart the man just worstens the worst parts of SO for no real gain for the human developers.
@@Rakstawr 100% agree with you. No sarcasm What expectations does one have of a public forum, right? You ask, you answer, you find answers, you get experience that helps your career. Who promised you money for answers and when do you become a decision maker for the company? So many questions...
Is it me or it smells like entitlement a little? It can be me though...
@@Rakstawr i have no expectation of being paid for my SO contributions. I have an expectation of my contributions not being sold to train some AI models. Your comment is in bad faith as it doesn't address the actual issue.
@@teodorpopescu735 If what you consider the "actual issue" is a company making money off of content that you put on their platform, it's even worse of a faux outrage. No one is doing this with Facebook, Twitter/X, Reddit etc. and most of that content has been used to make money off of contributions from day one. Then there is the fact that developers will use the contributions to make money indirectly every day anyway. So I have no idea why people want to be outraged by this... If you have some novel reason why the seasoned developer should care please tell me. I have given away knowledge in my past that have helped other devs make millions of dollars, and made contributions to companies during covid that have made billions. It is in the job description...
I didn't know ChatGPT had a voice. I wonder how it would read code or ASCII art...
Days? I have found things on there that went unanswered for years. Same issues that I have found, and no answers after 8 years or more.
I don't get it. If you put something on the public internet that any one (or any bot) can see. I don't see how you can object to a computer reading something on the public internet?
SO has fulfilled its purpose. Successor of SO will have to be built on top of AI, not away from it.
Perfectly correct in my opinion, times are changing. It's conceivable that future AIs could open a “forum” where they would ask humans lists of unsolved questions. The AI presenting itself as a “newbie”.
I don’t understand? Isn’t the data on stack overflow already public??
It is public, but the answers are shown alongside your name, giving you reputation which you can show to hiring managers.
Even SO advertised that people with higher reputation have easier time getting a job.
There is no way that chat gpt will be crediting you when it shows your answer to users.
It is public under a specific license, which requires attribution and that any derivative is published under the same license. But Stack Overflow also has a more permissive license (under the terms of use) which might be more appealing to OpenAI, thus the deal.
There's nothing illegal going on but I understand users who are frustrated with the direction the company is going and see this as the final straw.
@@ZoranRavicTech It's what MS copilot doing already - it provides links to sourced it used, so you are wrong.
@@llamerr You clearly didn't watch the video. It is about chat gpt, not copilot. I never saw chat gpt link sources when generating code.
The people that go "erm, my answers are licensed under CC BY-SA, and AI doesn't provide attribution" should look up how code almost didn't get copyright protection, because it was believed that it was too technical and "standardized" to allow for different expressions of the same idea.
Take Duff's device, or the fast inverse square root code. There's only one way to express these ideas, so that expression can't have copyright protection. Now, if you're copying the substantial structure of a larger code base, then sure, now that's copyright infringement, but... I don't think you could fit enough original code to be eligible for copyright protection into a SO answer.
The non-code answer may be a different story, but unless it's copied verbatim, or just slightly rephrased (which shouldn't happen, since AIs should avoid overfitting), there's no plagiarism either.
A thank you for making me laugh so hard!! Intro is priceless!
This was probably the best move for the SO owners. People were already leaving SO in mass and they didn't have the knowledge to develop their own LLM that could compete with chatGPT. The old guard may not like it but they were also the reason people left.
Stack overflow when i first started was great for finding answers but if you are new sometimes the folks there can be a bit mean 😢
Closed! I just felt like it
wasnt gpt 3.5 already trained on stackoverflow scrapings? I dont get the partnership
I mean, if they really wanted to integrate AI in a positive way for StackOverflow as a whole, they could have trained a bot in SO questions so it can identify potential duplicates and suggest them in the comments (not the answers, the comments under the question), asking politely the person who submitted the question whether those related questions solved their issue or not; and if the user says yes _then_ it marks the question as duplicate and posts the link to the original. On top of that, they could block the ability of human users to close questions as duplicate for up to a week or two and forbid users from making such remarks in answers and comments, delegating the responsibility exclusively to the bot during that initial time frame.
Hopefully, this should decrease the hostility with the "Question duplicated. Get out." responses, but also what's important here is that they let _people_ answer the questions. The human factor is key when it comes to knowledge, and it should be upheld and protected at all costs. Let AI bots help with the janitor work, as they can be infinitely patient unlike people, specially when they're not getting paid for it.
I guess there is a high probability that ChatGPT will start to tell users that their question is a duplicate and it needs to be closed
I have never answered questions in SO because of the draconian requirements to post
My concern is what happens when nobody contributes new solutions to new problems? LLM cannot help with novel problems so they too have a shelf life.
But SO has had their data available to the public for years either via their API or you can download it in bulk. The API data is always available, but the bulk data for the current year is available at the end of the year. But anyways, I forgot the license there, but it’s there. So what about people who just download it and use it for other uses? Where is the outrage there because there are hundreds of websites that do that all the time violating the license.
This sounds just like trying to use EEVBlog. A bunch of know it alls telling you not to ask questions and dying to pick fights.
re lack of emotions but can simulate emotional intelligence:
ChatGPT and other LLM's have values in their state that correspond to things we would label with words for moods and emotions. Pausing the program after the prompt has been processed and before the answer is generated, changing these values and then continuing, causes the output to reflect the corresponding mood or emotion.
So, Transformers have some state that is affected by the emotional charge or mood of what you say to it, and its output is affected by this state.
Therefore, it's fair to say that the A.I. has _quasi-emotions_ .
if that’s the case, then ai is highly aware of it’s “emotions” at all times, can switch on a dime, and is in full control. all unlike us
@@AZisk The current LLMs are not explicitly aware of or in conscious control of its state -- that's the of the things missing relative to a full AGI. But it's rare such meta-knowlege would be useful, since it has no thoughts of its own (another missing aspect) -- it only thinks when it is processing a user's prompt.
It would be possible to make access to these states via an API, and give that to the LLM to use.
But... if you ask it to answer sarcastically or lightheartedly or whatnot, it does do so fairly well. So in a sense it does have control over the state that would produce such variations, but it can only do so when you explicitly tell it to, as it doesn't have thoughts of its own -- it doesn't muse over things between prompts.
Deviant Art tried the same opt-in users in silently
I love the tears. Every question is inarticulate. Every response misses the underlying intention. I gave up on it a long time ago, yet somehow it became a repo of knowledge? But hey, a green check mark is all I need.
I Think stack overflow was afraid to loss users in benefits of chatgpt but more people start to come back to stack overflow after chatgpt start to failing more answer
Good to keep a human constructed database. We do not yet know the failure pathways of AI in its short and medium term applications. There are always unanticipated downsides of any new technology.
I do think the knowledge accumulated by stackoverflow should be put to use, no point in keeping that treasure locked away from AI.
Someone needs to develop a Don Rickles AI that makes fun of the user whenever they ask a question. :-)
And charge you more for that. Because BDSM is a niche thing
I would be ok with SO being used to train OpenAI if they also allowed any other Open Source AIs to train on it (which OpenAI is not, they are closed source to the core and lobby to ban open source LLMs).
I think Stack Overflow needed a reset anyway maybe something new comes in. Let me be clear I'm not against AI using public posted stuff the problem for me is it gets exclusive sold. I think when stack overflow and similar sites would make a monthly torrent blob for people who are interested. It would have much less complains.
The core problem with the sites is how duplicated question are handed there a 2 reasons:
Google became really bad in finding specific topic the chance you miss something is really high , the reasons is lot of the answers became outdated because they are many many years old.
Those of us who post the stack overflow don't have any ownership or copyright to our posts. The old saying, "if you don't pay anything, you're the product" applies. So I don't see anything wrong, or even unethical with what Stack Overflow is doing.
SO is circling the drain. They have very rude people there. So for me if it isn't chatgpt I'd use geekforgeeks instead. The answers are not as direct as SO but at least they're not rude.
Your choise, but I prefer to be told that 2+2=4 by Linus Torwalds, who will call me dumb idiot, that be told that 2+2=5 and calling me a special snowflake
I think we should "delve" in this more, clearly we need to "delve" into the implications of this for centuries!
😂😂
Stack Overflow is basically a place where people with low social self-esteem go to make themselves feel better by condescendingly answering technical questions. Tried it twice, cringe, LLM's all the way.
That’s most niche forums actually. Don’t think it’s unique to SO
Just like politicians, everyone has a price that makes crossing the line appealing.
And for people who complain about SO using their answer that became outdated in 1 year it's 2 cents. I would be insulted if someone paid me that money. Actually I refused to be paid for incomplete job from one of my clients, and price for time I spent was like 200$, so that's not a groundless talking
whats wrong with giving the data to open Ai?
SO used to be good.
But in recent years most of the answers are:
“That’s only relevant today, therefore it’s a bad question. CLOSED.”
What about wikipedia?
Guess the SO managers never saw this sketch with John Cleese and Marty Feldman... ruclips.net/video/ZYlOV7K-xOU/видео.html
The SO managers, who could have done something long ago, countenanced "defecating in their own nest" by "early adopter gannets" (read: "hi-rep users")...
(Sadly, this recording does not include the line: "gannets soil their nest". Those who've heard the audio version (record?) will know what I'm referring to.)
RIP Stackoverflow. (BTW: this schadenfreude you've served up is simply delectable!!)
It's sad...
Your demo of OpenAI having better morals than StackOverflow is priceless.
Feels like Reddit all over again with their Apollo fallout.
If it's about community, discord is enough, and it's "official". Like you can even go ask the core devs there. But yeah idk...
Discord is very bad for the job StackOverflow is supposed to do. It's basically a black hole of information since it's a chat app not a forum. You also have to make an account to use it, and many servers requires you to give your phone number so you can ask.
I feel like we've been here before with UGC user revolt.
If StackOverflow goes away - where does ChatGPT get new data to train on?
If chatgpt finds that a question is a duplicate, why can’t it be helpful and provide links ?
haha
It's a meme. It's not a real screenshot.
One can also provide purposefully misleading answers on SO to ruin its value as training data.
Now I know nobody would do such a thing... but just a thought. :)
that's sad. many people shared their knowledge with others and now SO is just monetizing it by brute force.
It was always like that. Nothing changed at all. Except the fact that you noticed that and now feeling entitled to those 20 cents of your share.
I'm an older software engineer who managed to help a few people on SO occasionally, so I gained an okay reputation on SO (nothing fantastic, but enough that I think people think twice before down-voting me... although some will still down-vote me). I rarely ask questions directly on SO, but use it primarily through Google, in that Google sends me to SO when I perform a search for answers to a particular subject. If an SO answer shows up, I examine it for relevancy and maybe benefit. Sometimes, the answer is close, but someone else's answer helps me. Sometimes, I contribute an answer when I see the existing answers are just slightly off or something. The few times I ever asked a question were out of sheer desperation, and I have *never* gained an answer in time to help me ... most of the time, I never get an answer. But, at least, my questions are not down-voted, maybe because of a combination of my reputation, and the sheer detail I give in the question. If I were a less experienced engineer asking a question, though, I would likely not even know how to ask a question that someone else could answer. It really is a skill. And SO does an extremely bad job of helping budding engineers learn how to ask questions in a way that an experienced engineer can help answer (hint: its always about the details... the more details you add, the more an engineer can help you find an answer... and the greater the chance that you'll figure out the answer on your own without actually posting the question, amusingly). I've also occasionally provided answers or friendly comments to down-voted questions, knowing that a lot of SO down-voters are jerks.
Stack of chad overflow.
I'm wondering if Chat GPT will also bully me if I ask questions related to its trained Stack Overflow data 🤣
Can’t wait for it to ask “what are you ACTUALLY trying to achieve?” 🤓
If you have masochistic tendencies, you could try adding to your LLM prompt: "Please respond in the manner of a typical narcissistic, ill-tempered, hi-rep SO early adopter".
Keep the iodine bottle nearby when you do.
With no SO, what will feed the AI monster.
GitHub Copilot
Initial release date: October 2021
I thought programmers are the people who welcomes AI. I'm totally fine for openai to use my answers on so.
Then you are in the minority of users
@@ZoranRavicTech you have any proofs for that?
@@llamerr I base it on comments I see, but it may be the case that this side is just more vocal.
I'd ask you if you have proof for the contrary, but you're clearly only here to argue.
I always used stack overflow, but I never asked questions in it, now I dont have to worry about it i guess.
What if we start to poison the data?
Like we post a bunch of answers that look right to an unexperienced used, and we upvote those a lot.
Sounds like what happened to reddit a year or so ago.
Ah the “It begins” tactic. Popularised by that New Yorker on RUclips who had many for you page videos because of it
it begins… comments about “it begins…” tactic. 😝
Github and Stack Overflow should get together with AI...............Oh they have and it's called Skynet.
I remember i made an account to help some poeple on it that had a problem and nobody seems know how to fix it i knew the fix...
And i never got to post it! Why i need to make 10 posts before i can post wel fuck SO and sorry for others (bet there are a lot who have run in this problem many fixes never fixed) thanks to SO dum as IT staff
first they came for the article writers, it was not my business so i said nothing.
then they came for the artists but it was none of my business so i said nothing
then they came for the coders and there was no one left to stand up for us so nobody said anything