Gonna disagree about the usb sockets, there's little point in adding them over 240V sockets. Fast charging standards are changing at a much faster pace than the lifetime of a train interior, so no matter what you do it'll always end up charging most user's devices slower than they are able when you look at it over a time period of 10-15 years. Not to mention which type of socket were they going to add (A or C?), you're always screwing someone over who's carrying the wrong cable. So I kind of agree with just adding a 240V socket which is a standard that isn't gonna change any time soon and can charge anything provided you carry your charger, which, if you're carrying a USB cable already, is very likely.
Also security concerns as well, the firmware in a shocking number of public USB chargers can be hijacked to install a payload on a device plugged into it.
@@swunt10Nuance, ever heard of it? There's no need to fast charge every night, that does have an impact on battery life (because you do it hundreds to thousands of times over the life of a phone), but on a train is definitely one of the situations where it might come in handy.
German medias foremost point in reporting on this new and improved ICE3 were the windows finally allowing for much better cell reception. You could see those special silvery crosses in the window glass on several occasions in the video. In addition to rural mobil coverage being famously bad in DE the windows in prior ICE generations going back 30yrs all had special coating to keep the sun out while making it that much harder to get mobile 4 and 5G bandwidth. Back in the pre 4G GSM days ICE 1 trains had phone booths run by Deutsche Telekom (and a smokers section which was extra yucky when wandering the entire train as a child in search for the special coach with video screens like on long haul flights).
Agree, easily the best high speed train out there imo too, spacious, modern, and well designed. Will be interesting to see what the next gen ICE trains will have to offer, with possibly some level boarding too!
The ICE 5 is in planning. While the next ICE 3 would probably be just the next Velaro from Siemens (like the other ICE 3s, though you could argue that the original ICE 3 isn't a Velaro because Velaro was based off of that exact train), the ICE 5 is supposed to actually be a new train. There's early planning with Siemens and Alstom already I think. Sadly, for some reason, partial double decker trains are not something DB aims to have, even though it would massively increase their capacity without actually building more infrastructure. But I could see the problem in the train stations when even more people have to leave the trains, so that might be an argument against it...
@@jan-lukas Yes, it's really bad if we have so many passengers disembarking at the same time then jousting for the passing room and evading the obstacles on the platforms and staircases, especially at the terminal stations such as Munich and Frankfurt.
@@jan-lukas From a passengeer POV, double deckers are a massive downgrade. Luggage storage would be a way bigger topic and to realise relevant gains in capacity, they would have to go for a way more cramped layout. After having a trip in the double decker TGV (as well as IC 2 and regional trains), I'm glad that this is not on the table.
Rode on these from Paris Gare De L'est to Stuttgart around April on a trip to Austria, coming from the UK these ICE 3 NEO units are the *best* I have ever rode on.
That the delay would be picked up is not a surprise. On the high speed line between Frankfurt and Köln, trains are not scheduled for the full 300 kph, so there is headroom for small delays.
16:47 short annotation: the ICE T also features a bike storage, so make sure you don’t pick that one accidentally. (But they mainly run on slower and older lines, because they have a tilting technology and only reach 230 km/h, so you probably won’t see them on the main high speed lines)
Yeah. Also for the future, I think the new ICE-L's will also feature bike storage but those are also limited to 230km/h and mainly slower routes like Hamburg-Berlin, Hamburg-Cologne, and some international services like the one to Vienna, Amsterdam-Berlin, and long term likely to Copenhagen via the Fehmarn tunnel when that and the Vogelflug Neubaustrecke is completed.
@@MrEvilLP Only ICE 3, 3M, and 3neo are certified to operate on Frankfurt Flughafen-Cologne segment due to the steeper grades. When ICE 3 were temporarily withdrawn from the service due to the cracked axles, Deutsche Bahn regretted its decision for steeper grades since no other trains are allowed to travel on that segment.
Accidentally took one between Aachen and Brussels a few days ago (our night train stopped at Aachen due to works). Even second class comfort was amazing. Despite all the hassle of our trip (5 hours delay NightJet, missed connexion, stress about finding seats), my wife noticed it was the most comfortable seat she's been on for a while (and we had traveled around Poland just before, even taking the EIP). Interior feels relaxing. My last ride on a ICE3 (koln-Brussels, early 2020) didn't feel as comfortable and soothing, even in first class.
Thanks for the great video! The new ICE looks fantastic! For families - a word of warning about the "family rooms". We used one before because we had a 1-year-old at the time and it was terrible - super crowded and cramped, as was the case in this video. You would rather use the regular seats to be honest.
Some minor detail i have to correct: Limburg Süd is the ONLY station, only served by long-distance services. Frankfurt Airport Fernbahnhof, despite its name, serves regional trains in the form of the HLB RB58! Otherwise great insieghts, haven't had the pleasure of riding the neo yet, although i live right along the route this train took ^^
And one more thing, I'm fairly certain the new interior design is not meant to be retrofitted to already built units of any ICE type, at least not until their first grand overhaul is scheduled. For the ICE3neo, that wont be for the next 8 to 10 years. They stated that the 17th train at the end of the year will receive it, i haven't seen anything about retrofitting the until then existing 16 units...
What I miss is the direct line to the various aims in Germany, Hamburg, Berlin, Munich, Stuttgart. Why is there the odd necessity to go first to Frankford Main Railwaystation ? I do hope that in 100 years we have got a net for faster trains - 800 km per h and more - which covers all European countries, including the UK and Asian countries, India and China .
Looks so much better than UK trains. Passengers actually appear to be at the forefront of the design whereas I dont feel the same about British trains.
Thank you for this excellent video ! I agree the ICE3 neo is a superb train, and the proposed revised interior looks great. The ICE4s which operate some services over the high speed line from Cologne to Frankfurt Airport cannot run at 300kph, and are therefore a little slower in their journey time ! Nevertheless, they are also excellent trains, and sadly all new generation D.B ICE trains put the U.K Hitachi Class 800 series trains to shame.
Im a Traindriver for DB Fernverkehr AG so i drive these trains. you was kinna lucky for the delay at frankfurt. Otherwise we usualy only drive 250 km/h because you would still be on time in Cologne. Its consumes way more energy to drive 300 km/h so we are told to only drive so fast, when we have delays.
thanks for mentioning that. The fact that the exponential rise in energy consumption between 250 vs. 300+kph is being taken into consideration by DB is ignored by "more is more" train nerds : ) P. S. Watching lots of EN reviews of rail journeys in DE I get the feeling that its a) fashionable to crap on DB, it's delays while ignoring what volume and variety of users the system has to deal with and the problems and complexities that arise. b) comparing apples with oranges, i.e. praising HSR systems with much less usage that were built twenty yrs ago, like Spain with a network that has delivered high volume services within the past hundred years or praising Copenhagen Metro (built 2000s onwards) and crapping on London underground while ignoring what complexities arise from having had such infrastructure for more that a century earlier. c) and finally, folks not from DE tend to project this "but you're the Germans where everything MUST be perfect/on time/efficient" resulting in disappointments being felt three times harder because of the unrealistic expectations. And I'm not defending opportunities missed by nat governments in the past two decades to improve the grid but show me a country of similar size with network comparable in age, complexity and bandwidth on all levels down to local transport... you get where I'm going with this : )
@@jan-lukas Not sure what you are comparing here. The US has only 2000km of electrified rail, while Germany has over 20000km. Even if you count all the old rail lines, that are maybe used once a week in the US, Germany's railroad grid is 5 times denser than the US. Germany has 3 times more passenger kilometers with 1/4 of the population, so an average German travels 12 times further by train than an American. The problem with the German rail system is that since the privatization in the 90ies, the investments into the grid were basically stopped, apart from some high prestige projects, like the few 300km/h lines, or Stuttgart 21. France build separate high speed lines for it's TGV, while in Germany the HSR has to share lines with local lines and transport. The grid is just at peak usage in many places. Like the Hohenzollern bridge in Cologne, where every train that has to go to Cologne main station automatically gets a nice 10 minute delay.
@@velotillGermany might be compared to continental France, nearly 2/3 of its size with nearly 20 million more people and a better economy and GDP. TGV passengers and ICE passengers are about the same in both countries. I think the "energy saving" is too much of an easy answer considering that : - domestic flights still exist - DB trains run at 320km in France - Germany has been very ambitious and proactive in remodelling its energy production industry (abandonning down nuclear power and installing thousands of wind turbines) - Double deck trains are a good way to limit traffic. My guess is that Germany dicided and managed since the 80s to play smart with its old grid but this optimistic strategy reached limitations that technical innovations can't remedy. Also surely that long distance trips (>500km) are much less needed in Germany and average ICE trips probably way shorter than in France (to and from Paris direct trips are a regular necessity for most French citizens). Looks like (numerous) other reasons are not publicly put on the table... Many in Europe say that France is very protective of its SNCF interests, it seems that Germany is even more (maybe indirectly) protective of the DB interests : international competitition is not promoted on the domestic market...
What about the inside of the doors? No more money for professional panelling. And FYI, first class almost always has in-seat catering. Hopefully these seats are much better than the bad ICE 4 and the usual retrofits. Thanks for the video!
Yeah, really try to avoid last-minute ICE tickets. The price scaling is ridiculous. Bought a ticket from Amsterdam all the way to Europapark near Ringheim in Southern Germany, close to Freiburg. I bought it like 2 months in advance and only costs 50 euro each way, and it includes the high-speed stretch from Dusseldorf via Frankfurt Flughaven to Mannheim. On the day you couldnt get a ticket for just that part of the journey for that price.
the 408 has new reservation indicators, a prm lift, and a slightly different etcs system. 408 didn't have an major exterior upgrade over the 407 because the 408 were needed for Brussels and Amsterdam services.
@@AdmiralMidway Additionally, it features dedicated room for (8) bicycles, more space for luggage, windows that lets mobile data through, more and better visible (notice the thicker black border) doors, tablet holders and outlets on every seat (including 2. class) and a fancy new lighting system (if you're into that) that adapts to the time of day (like the ICE 4).
Hey I have a question, how do you know when what trainset is used? I commute often between cologne to frankfurt Airport but never seem to catch a ice3neo.
The two trains have different goals: ICE 4 aims for efficiency and capacity (that's why it's only 250-265km/h fast), while the ICE 3 doesn't have quite as many seats and is less efficient, but is much faster at up to 300km/h in Germany and 320km/h in France
16:06 It's always good to end a video on a joke. ("arriving early" - lol). Joke aside. Excelent video. I only disagree with the topic of the foot rest - imo every seat (includin 2nd class) should have them.
I think raising the platforms would require the Regional (RE and RB), which are commonly low floored trains (at least in NRW), to have a higher door, since most platforms are roughly at height for those doors.
@@zephyros256 It could be a problem if there is a platform change yes, but usually there are dedicated platforms designed for intercity trains. They are not as high as the floor of those trains though because some regional trains with higher floors (for example some double decker dostos) stop on them to. I dont know if that is the actual reason though. It seems like the actual one is that the defined max height of a platform here is 960mm which is too low to be level with ICEs floor height. Ive had some experiences of Bombardier Talent 2 stopping on ICE platforms and you needed to step up and out of the train while the other platforms are level with the Talent 2s floor. I also got into dostos on those platforms and its closer to their floor height than the normal, lower, regional train platforms The whole platform thing is something we need to fix asap. Its crazy that our upper limit in allowed platform height isnt even high enough to ensure level boarding on ICE trains. Those platforms should get raised. ICEs can still have retractable stepping aids in case there is a platform change.
@@Guy-Zero This is not entirely correct. 76cm is a standard platform height even for regional trains in many parts of Germany (there are a few different platform heights in use for regional trains depending on the region of Germany, which admittedly sucks). And there are loads of stations where regional trains and intercity trains use the same platform. Separate high-level platforms for intercity trains is impossible, a majority of large city stations have a shortage of platforms already and not being able to use even 2 of them would mean regional services would have to be cut down significantly because of missing capacity. And in many stations the ICEs use way more than 2 platforms. This is also the reason why there exists no ICE to Britain via the Eurotunnel, because the passport checks would have to happen at the train station and the platform would have to be separated from the rest of the station, which is just not possible in Cologne, Frankfurt, etc. because of missing capacity. Raising the platforms to ICE floor height (125cm) would make the platform unusable for all other trains, which would mean unacceptable capacity loss in already overcrowded stations. It's sad but it's reality.
@@lukasmaier8247 I only spoke from my experience. The train station I use nearly daily does it like that. Platforms 2+3 are higher and served by ICE, IC and RE services with dostos. Sometimes some RB lines with Talent 2s stop on those too which results in the platform being higher than the floor height of that train. Well, I more often experience misaligned heights than level boarding since I commute from a town to the city with the aforementioned platforms for intercity trains. Germany does have a lot of main stations which are already over capacity but we should look into stations were something like this might be possible. Maybe raising the floor height of regional trains might also be a solution. All of the equipment could be placed under the floor instead of on the roof. While it will make double decker emus easier it can also make it a bit harder to get to some components. I guess there are always some downsides. Personally I think we should standardize height to the height of ICEs because getting the floors of them lower will be quite a challenge for EMU ICEs. The equipment needs to stay under the floor for better handling (lower center of gravity) at those speeds as far as I know
@@Guy-ZeroYou might be comparing 55cm platfroms to 76cm ones. 96cm(the highes possible platformheight allowed) is only used for s-bahns. It would be ideal to have level boarding on ICE trains, but that would neccesitate a seperate network or a platform rebuilding for most rural stations. both not feasable. What would be possible is camel stations
Well I much prefer the older ones, they have compartment wagons, a bar wagon in addition to the restaurant one, and also the restaurant of the older ones have Much better seats in m opinion.
Putting reservations on the wall like British trains is a mistake in my book, as it makes it harder to reconfigure the seat layout. The ICE3 set-up with reservation screens on the seats themselves is much more flexible. If TPE had put the screens on the seats instead, they could sort out the terrible window alignment on the Nova3 sets.
According to this video, this seems the best high speed train in Europe, not the Frecciarossa 1000 (wich is very poor in my opinion). Not every train provides mobile phone holders, bicycle racks, compartments for families with children and dadicated doors for disabled people including their own boarding ramps. This is how every train should be built in any civilised country!
I disagree with the bike storage actually. Like not bringing your kitchen sink it is something you can acquire wherever you’re going. It is not much space to bring many bikes but when it’s busy it could be quite a couple extra people
I totally agree. It can also be complicated if the ICE3neo is replaced by an older model without bike racks on a short notice. This led to a delay of 20 mins once because the cyclists refused to leave the train and had to be removed by security.
The ICE service to Brussels and Netherlands has in recent years suffered as the trains have aged and sadly susceptible to breakdowns and if they breakdown in Belgium (or the Netherlands) getting it fixed is a big problem for DB. On the route between Köln and Brussels we have had cancelled trains and then a change of station in Brussels because of problems in the old rolling stock. My favourite was coming back from Brussels and having at Düren (between Aachen and Köln) to swap trains so the passengers on the ICE going to Brussels got put on our train and we got to use their train Absolute bedlam on the island platform as the trains were in the opposite direction to each other and my handicapped partner and I just went into an ordinary 2nd class carriage which was not the best. This was because they were short of international ICE stock.
I can gladly assure you that this ICE3neo is replacing the old stock in the end of the year as tests in Belgien and Netherlands are performed since a while.
@@InTeCredo I too prefer riding ICE to Thalys but because I travel with a disabled person delays and breakdowns are a problem. I am glad that the international fleet is being replaced.
I've only travelled by ICE once. I think it was a model 4. The seats were absolutely terrible; the lower back support was too low, just above the pelvis. They actually hurt to sit in. I have literally never experienced worse seats on any train, and that includes historic trains with wooden benches.
Yeah the ice 4 isn‘t that well liked and I‘m glad they went back to the roots and focus on the ice 3 design. I like the wooden interior, comfortable seats and the max speed of up to 300km/h unlike the slow 265km/h ice 4
Regarding the power socket vs. USB sockets - I’m in favour of power sockets for the following reasons: -there’s still lots of people with older phones who use USB-A connectors. USB-C isn’t something everyone has yet. But everyone has a power brick that accommodates their cable type. -people don’t just want to charge their phones, I see lots of people working on their laptops as well. Many of them require a full power socket and not just a tiny USB-C power socket (at least, if they don’t use a MacBook). I think it’s way more inclusive to use a European power socket. I know Brits use other power sockets, but in my opinion, if you go to a different country, you should take an adapter with you. This whole situation with so many countries using different power sockets is very ridiculous and infuriating, but I really don’t see any other solution. If I remember correctly, you can buy adapters at some airports and trainstations.
USB doesnt have to and most likely wont replace the EU power sockets, its supposed to be an added feature. Same as you can see with modern power sockets for your home, which offer the USB in the corners of the power socket enclosure for example.
@@TheKartoffel101 yeah I get that one but I always thought they are just electrically powered and can't send or receive data. But USB isn't exactly what I do for a living so I might be wrong.
It has 4% grades and curve radii of only 3400m, both the absolute maximum/minimum allowed, it's the steepest HSR line in the world afaik. Anything else would've required significantly more tunnels and if you can save on those you usually win. When possible, grades that are less steep are used to ensure all ICE sets can use the line (ICE 1 and 2 are not allowed or able to go on this line), sometimes even freight traffic during the night is allowed.
In recent years, Deutsche Bahn has waived to drive with their high speed trains as fast as possible (depending on train and track) for energy consumption reasons. As a conswquence, if there is a delay, they may compensate it by moderate speeding as in this video. IMO, this strategy should be applied more often to optimize real travel times, even if they are a little bit longer according to schedule.
@@Loanshark753 As the train is not driving with maximum speed, it can compensate some delay. However, lately in Germany the delays are to big for compensation. The large number of trains share the rail network using a complicated time schedule which is sensitive to small disturbances. There are also many construction sites because the netwqrk has been neglected for 20 years.
@@Loanshark753Think my country's subway/metro also used to practice such timetable padding back when trains used fixed-block ATC signalling, in case of delays e.g. doors left open for longer @ a station due to more people boarding last min, or if trains have to be manually braked when entering stations during rain (because the ATC wasn't advanced enough to adapt to the more slippery rails when raining). Now that we've upgraded to CBTC moving block signalling, its smart enough to adjust trains' braking accordingly when raining, & doors are also programmed to auto-close at stations at fixed time stamps on the train's timetable, that padding has been removed & trains now go full speed in-between stations (unless there's another train nearby). Looks like padding has been instead added to trains' dwell times @ stations instead though, with older trains that brake slower at stations leaving their doors open for shorter durations than newer trains that brake faster. I guess if its raining & trains brake slower as a result, the doors are also opened for a shorter duration bef closing, but otherwise, if its not raining & the train brakes faster into stations, it now seems that trains leave their doors open for longer as compared to bef the signalling upgrade
It is. You are confusing the ICE3neo with the ICE3 Velaro D, which was built between 2009 and 2012. These trains however are in service since December 2022.
Recently back from a trip to Germany and agree with the DB late train phenomenon - but in my case it was half and hour to over and hour late. The sample size was 10 high speed trains during a week of travel from Frankfurt to Munch via Wurzburg, Nuremberg, Regensburg and all points in between. The worst part was the seriously delayed trains where you were originally supposed to depart platform 4, then you have to move to platform 8 before "surprise" your train that is now an hour late is departing from platform 2 so move your fat ass and bags to that platform otherwise you'll be spending an extra night in Wurzburg, Nuremberg, Regensburg. TLDR, in a week of ICE train journeys not one single freaking train was on time . . . but the hour plus delays were a major pain as it totally throws your plans out of kilter - instead of arriving into the next city at 7pm and dropping your bags to the hotel before heading out to get a drink and bit to eat you're now arriving at 9pm and you arrive into the centre at 10pm and everything's closed. Why DB, why?
@@qjtvaddictit's not "they", the DB. It's politicians and NIMBYs. When what feels like half of your government is sponsored by the car lobby over and over again then you won't get reliable trains, and also every stupid person living remotely close to anything that's being built can go to court over the issue...
...absolutely NOTHING: At least 3 wagon-connections have only single doors instead of double. Some wagon connections have no toilets or single instead of double and the same applies for the wagon garbage-bins! The train is not as big of an upgrade against the ICE 4 (room arrangement; telematic; connectivity and digital displays) and against some older ICEs (3 and downwards) both 3n and the 4 feel like a downlgrade due to some "space savings"....
I think the 3neo doesn't really improve much on the main passenger experience problems of the older ICEs... They still lack level boarding and the ability for wheelchair users to board without assistance, in general the boarding is still slow due to the large step up and the confined space around the vestibule areas, and a lot of nice stuff like seating compartments that existed on the ICE 1/2 are being stripped out. They are still comfortable trains to ride in but previous ICEs already set that bar very high. And even if they end up being far more reliable than the ICE3Ms, they won't singlehandedly fix DBs horrible timeliness.
They won't fix that problem on their own BUT they will be a major part of fixing it step by step. Reliable and fast trains can actually increase punctuality by large margins because they can stop the small delays of a few minutes in the first place that would otherwise snowball to much longer delays. The lacking level boarding is one of the biggest problems with all ICE trains
I don't entirely agree that the ICE3neo is the best train on Deutsche Bahn. Like all ICEs in Germany, the ICE3neo has steps and is therefore not 100% barrier-free. Although there is an "on-board lift", this can only be operated by trained staff and as a wheelchair user you are obliged to register the trip accordingly. So Deutsche Bahn continues to actively discriminate against people with disabilities and wheelchair users. It may be one of the best trains for people without disabilities, but anyone who is dependent on a wheelchair experiences terrible, discriminatory and sometimes insulting situations at DB again and again and that should be taken into account in such "reviews" in future. We should all start thinking outside the box and see what's on our left and what's on our right.
Its BS ! China is making better High speed Trains. In Germany trains cannot go at sustained high speed for long distances, as there are not enough straight lines. In France they do achieve it. And I do not like the shape of these German trains, nor the French ones. They are not aerodynamic enough.
Someone got triggered, yes? China literally also is operating ICEs next to other trains... so I doubt their own trains are "better", instead of "different". And of course the ICEs can go at high speed for long distances, because otherwise a regular train would be able to do the same job just fine... instead of paying for expensive fast trains.
There's a difference between the trains and the system. German high speed trains only have one problem being the missing level boarding. The system however sucks, we have less rail kilometers per person than the US (7th densest network in the world though), only few actual HSR lines, many delays in long distance trains (only few in regional trains). But this comment sounds as if the HSR lines themselves aren't good enough which is not true. While they're not very straight (which massively reduces costs because fewer tunnels and bridges are needed) they do enable speeds of 250-300km/h depending on the length and age of the route. Some HSR lines like the recently opened Wendlingen-Ulm line are just to short for 300km/h, doing that would've cost more, but it's only a few minutes (like less than 5) faster, I don't remember the exact amount. Also Germany is a) much denser than most countries, including china, which makes building rail much harder as you have to dodge cities, and b) actually protects human rights, in contrast to china, so the state cannot just take your property away for no reason. It can be done, but it always results in court cases which are too long to reliably do when planning infrastructure
@@jan-lukas - Nonsense about the human rights... as if Europe has a clean record of human rights during colonialism, WW2 and Imperial wars since 1950s ! Utter nonsense. I have sat on the HSR in Germany, the ICE 3, the average speed was about 125 kmph , the 300 kmph was maintained only for less than 10% of the time, depending on the straight lines. In China they are covering 1200 KMs in 3.5 hours, average speed of about 320 kmph, max of 350 kmph ! Simply incredible. Even Japan has very highly dense towns and cities, yet they have a very good HSR system across Japan !
Gonna disagree about the usb sockets, there's little point in adding them over 240V sockets. Fast charging standards are changing at a much faster pace than the lifetime of a train interior, so no matter what you do it'll always end up charging most user's devices slower than they are able when you look at it over a time period of 10-15 years. Not to mention which type of socket were they going to add (A or C?), you're always screwing someone over who's carrying the wrong cable.
So I kind of agree with just adding a 240V socket which is a standard that isn't gonna change any time soon and can charge anything provided you carry your charger, which, if you're carrying a USB cable already, is very likely.
Absolutely agree, especially since type f sockets guarantee the ability to charge laptops.
Also security concerns as well, the firmware in a shocking number of public USB chargers can be hijacked to install a payload on a device plugged into it.
Fast charging is stupid and only destroys batteries. Never use it.
@@swunt10Nuance, ever heard of it? There's no need to fast charge every night, that does have an impact on battery life (because you do it hundreds to thousands of times over the life of a phone), but on a train is definitely one of the situations where it might come in handy.
Fully agree with that. I remember once charging my phone on an airline USB socket. It took the entire flight to charge it.
German medias foremost point in reporting on this new and improved ICE3 were the windows finally allowing for much better cell reception. You could see those special silvery crosses in the window glass on several occasions in the video.
In addition to rural mobil coverage being famously bad in DE the windows in prior ICE generations going back 30yrs all had special coating to keep the sun out while making it that much harder to get mobile 4 and 5G bandwidth.
Back in the pre 4G GSM days ICE 1 trains had phone booths run by Deutsche Telekom (and a smokers section which was extra yucky when wandering the entire train as a child in search for the special coach with video screens like on long haul flights).
I noticed that, too, when using the GPS speed monitor app on my iPhone. I couldn't get any GPS signal on ICE 3 but could on ICE 4.
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Agree, easily the best high speed train out there imo too, spacious, modern, and well designed. Will be interesting to see what the next gen ICE trains will have to offer, with possibly some level boarding too!
You mean the ICE L? I guess that technically isn't an ICE but DB is branding it as such.
@@mstrmren they're starting to think about the next gen of the ICE 3's, with some level boarding too, though the ICE L will be interesting
The ICE 5 is in planning. While the next ICE 3 would probably be just the next Velaro from Siemens (like the other ICE 3s, though you could argue that the original ICE 3 isn't a Velaro because Velaro was based off of that exact train), the ICE 5 is supposed to actually be a new train. There's early planning with Siemens and Alstom already I think. Sadly, for some reason, partial double decker trains are not something DB aims to have, even though it would massively increase their capacity without actually building more infrastructure. But I could see the problem in the train stations when even more people have to leave the trains, so that might be an argument against it...
@@jan-lukas Yes, it's really bad if we have so many passengers disembarking at the same time then jousting for the passing room and evading the obstacles on the platforms and staircases, especially at the terminal stations such as Munich and Frankfurt.
@@jan-lukas From a passengeer POV, double deckers are a massive downgrade. Luggage storage would be a way bigger topic and to realise relevant gains in capacity, they would have to go for a way more cramped layout. After having a trip in the double decker TGV (as well as IC 2 and regional trains), I'm glad that this is not on the table.
Rode on these from Paris Gare De L'est to Stuttgart around April on a trip to Austria, coming from the UK these ICE 3 NEO units are the *best* I have ever rode on.
On the LGV they show just how much quieter, smoother and comfortable they are compared to TGVs
Thank you for showing the bikespace👍🇪🇺🇳🇱🚵♂️🚄
The menus is 1st class are there because you get served at your seat and don't need to go to the restaurant car to order.
That the delay would be picked up is not a surprise. On the high speed line between Frankfurt and Köln, trains are not scheduled for the full 300 kph, so there is headroom for small delays.
Nice. Thanks for the interior tour. It was good to see all the amenities.
16:47 short annotation: the ICE T also features a bike storage, so make sure you don’t pick that one accidentally. (But they mainly run on slower and older lines, because they have a tilting technology and only reach 230 km/h, so you probably won’t see them on the main high speed lines)
Yeah. Also for the future, I think the new ICE-L's will also feature bike storage but those are also limited to 230km/h and mainly slower routes like Hamburg-Berlin, Hamburg-Cologne, and some international services like the one to Vienna, Amsterdam-Berlin, and long term likely to Copenhagen via the Fehmarn tunnel when that and the Vogelflug Neubaustrecke is completed.
The ICE T is not allowed on the highspeed track Frankfurt-cologne
@@MrEvilLP Only ICE 3, 3M, and 3neo are certified to operate on Frankfurt Flughafen-Cologne segment due to the steeper grades. When ICE 3 were temporarily withdrawn from the service due to the cracked axles, Deutsche Bahn regretted its decision for steeper grades since no other trains are allowed to travel on that segment.
@@InTeCredo The ICE 4/412 is also certified to operate there :)
Accidentally took one between Aachen and Brussels a few days ago (our night train stopped at Aachen due to works). Even second class comfort was amazing. Despite all the hassle of our trip (5 hours delay NightJet, missed connexion, stress about finding seats), my wife noticed it was the most comfortable seat she's been on for a while (and we had traveled around Poland just before, even taking the EIP). Interior feels relaxing.
My last ride on a ICE3 (koln-Brussels, early 2020) didn't feel as comfortable and soothing, even in first class.
I found that the train I am riding to Aachen from Frankfurt is an ICE3neo. Thanks for the video, looking forward to it!
Excellent German made ice bullet train wow.
Thanks for the great video! The new ICE looks fantastic! For families - a word of warning about the "family rooms". We used one before because we had a 1-year-old at the time and it was terrible - super crowded and cramped, as was the case in this video. You would rather use the regular seats to be honest.
Thank you for the interesting video, I really enjoyed it!
Some minor detail i have to correct: Limburg Süd is the ONLY station, only served by long-distance services. Frankfurt Airport Fernbahnhof, despite its name, serves regional trains in the form of the HLB RB58! Otherwise great insieghts, haven't had the pleasure of riding the neo yet, although i live right along the route this train took ^^
And one more thing, I'm fairly certain the new interior design is not meant to be retrofitted to already built units of any ICE type, at least not until their first grand overhaul is scheduled. For the ICE3neo, that wont be for the next 8 to 10 years. They stated that the 17th train at the end of the year will receive it, i haven't seen anything about retrofitting the until then existing 16 units...
07:10 : those little bin is designed to open it and close it with the tip of your shoe that your fingers does not become dirty :D
What I miss is the direct line to the various aims in Germany, Hamburg, Berlin, Munich, Stuttgart. Why is there the odd necessity to go first to Frankford Main Railwaystation ?
I do hope that in 100 years we have got a net for faster trains - 800 km per h and more - which covers all European countries, including the UK and Asian countries, India and China .
A pleasure to see this new train, and now they should be on time ! Because, unfortunately, the Deutsche Bahn has become a byword for delays :(
And frequent technical disruptions, namely the RE München-Nürnberg-Express with Škoda double-levelled trainsets.
Looks so much better than UK trains. Passengers actually appear to be at the forefront of the design whereas I dont feel the same about British trains.
Thank you for this excellent video ! I agree the ICE3 neo is a superb train, and the proposed revised interior looks great. The ICE4s which operate some services over the high speed line from Cologne to Frankfurt Airport cannot run at 300kph, and are therefore a little slower in their journey time ! Nevertheless, they are also excellent trains, and sadly all new generation D.B ICE trains put the U.K Hitachi Class 800 series trains to shame.
In the long run only 300km/h trains (ICE 3 and later 5) are supposed to run there
Frankfurt Airport long-distance Train Station is also served by RB58 Rüsselsheim Opelwerk to Laufach since December 2020
Good video. I am subscribed to your channel.
But please do a review on Renfe's lovely AVE services. I am going to travel with them in August
nice review!
A pleasure to see this new train🐴🐴🐴
Beautiful train., when would he also drive to the Netherlands
I think in Turkey TCDD has the same ones operating between İstanbul-Ankara-Konya line.
The velaro from Siemens is it
They aren’t the same
Im a Traindriver for DB Fernverkehr AG so i drive these trains. you was kinna lucky for the delay at frankfurt. Otherwise we usualy only drive 250 km/h because you would still be on time in Cologne. Its consumes way more energy to drive 300 km/h so we are told to only drive so fast, when we have delays.
thanks for mentioning that. The fact that the exponential rise in energy consumption between 250 vs. 300+kph is being taken into consideration by DB is ignored by "more is more" train nerds : )
P. S. Watching lots of EN reviews of rail journeys in DE I get the feeling that its
a) fashionable to crap on DB, it's delays while ignoring what volume and variety of users the system has to deal with and the problems and complexities that arise.
b) comparing apples with oranges, i.e. praising HSR systems with much less usage that were built twenty yrs ago, like Spain with a network that has delivered high volume services within the past hundred years or praising Copenhagen Metro (built 2000s onwards) and crapping on London underground while ignoring what complexities arise from having had such infrastructure for more that a century earlier.
c) and finally, folks not from DE tend to project this "but you're the Germans where everything MUST be perfect/on time/efficient" resulting in disappointments being felt three times harder because of the unrealistic expectations.
And I'm not defending opportunities missed by nat governments in the past two decades to improve the grid but show me a country of similar size with network comparable in age, complexity and bandwidth on all levels down to local transport... you get where I'm going with this : )
@@velotillGermany has less rail per person than the USA btw... Something is definitely off there
@@jan-lukas Not sure what you are comparing here. The US has only 2000km of electrified rail, while Germany has over 20000km. Even if you count all the old rail lines, that are maybe used once a week in the US, Germany's railroad grid is 5 times denser than the US. Germany has 3 times more passenger kilometers with 1/4 of the population, so an average German travels 12 times further by train than an American. The problem with the German rail system is that since the privatization in the 90ies, the investments into the grid were basically stopped, apart from some high prestige projects, like the few 300km/h lines, or Stuttgart 21. France build separate high speed lines for it's TGV, while in Germany the HSR has to share lines with local lines and transport. The grid is just at peak usage in many places. Like the Hohenzollern bridge in Cologne, where every train that has to go to Cologne main station automatically gets a nice 10 minute delay.
@@velotillGermany might be compared to continental France, nearly 2/3 of its size with nearly 20 million more people and a better economy and GDP.
TGV passengers and ICE passengers are about the same in both countries.
I think the "energy saving" is too much of an easy answer considering that :
- domestic flights still exist
- DB trains run at 320km in France
- Germany has been very ambitious and proactive in remodelling its energy production industry (abandonning down nuclear power and installing thousands of wind turbines)
- Double deck trains are a good way to limit traffic.
My guess is that Germany dicided and managed since the 80s to play smart with its old grid but this optimistic strategy reached limitations that technical innovations can't remedy.
Also surely that long distance trips (>500km) are much less needed in Germany and average ICE trips probably way shorter than in France (to and from Paris direct trips are a regular necessity for most French citizens).
Looks like (numerous) other reasons are not publicly put on the table...
Many in Europe say that France is very protective of its SNCF interests, it seems that Germany is even more (maybe indirectly) protective of the DB interests : international competitition is not promoted on the domestic market...
What about the inside of the doors? No more money for professional panelling. And FYI, first class almost always has in-seat catering. Hopefully these seats are much better than the bad ICE 4 and the usual retrofits. Thanks for the video!
1:53 I thought I heard you say Limburg Sued, but fortunately the subtitle indicate you meant "limbo suit" ...
Nothing beats japanese shinkansen 😅😅
now "dusseldörf" (quoting the subtitles) sounds cute :D (should actually be "düsseldorf")
Great video. Though if you are going review trains you must take one for the team and eat in the dining car.
Very good
Trains with massage seats to reduce fatigue of passengers reaching there long distance destinations afresh as they had boarded the train.
Yeah, really try to avoid last-minute ICE tickets. The price scaling is ridiculous. Bought a ticket from Amsterdam all the way to Europapark near Ringheim in Southern Germany, close to Freiburg. I bought it like 2 months in advance and only costs 50 euro each way, and it includes the high-speed stretch from Dusseldorf via Frankfurt Flughaven to Mannheim. On the day you couldnt get a ticket for just that part of the journey for that price.
What's the main difference between the velaro d (class 407) and ice 3 neo (class 408)?
the 408 has new reservation indicators, a prm lift, and a slightly different etcs system. 408 didn't have an major exterior upgrade over the 407 because the 408 were needed for Brussels and Amsterdam services.
@@itmkoeln thank you! was trying to look for it on the internet and failed
@@AdmiralMidway Additionally, it features dedicated room for (8) bicycles, more space for luggage, windows that lets mobile data through, more and better visible (notice the thicker black border) doors, tablet holders and outlets on every seat (including 2. class) and a fancy new lighting system (if you're into that) that adapts to the time of day (like the ICE 4).
@@Guy-Zero cant wait to be on one some day!
30 t less weight and the same seat capacity + Space for bikes.
there's a pic where some has put a banana in the tablet holder 😂
Nicest HST interior I’ve seen. 👍🏻🏴
Hey I have a question, how do you know when what trainset is used? I commute often between cologne to frankfurt Airport but never seem to catch a ice3neo.
You know the ICE 3 is the best when there is a ICE version 4 but now they build an upgraded ICE 3 too
The two trains have different goals: ICE 4 aims for efficiency and capacity (that's why it's only 250-265km/h fast), while the ICE 3 doesn't have quite as many seats and is less efficient, but is much faster at up to 300km/h in Germany and 320km/h in France
Hi, do you get into any trouble while filming around the station and on board? Do you need to request a filming permit beforehand?
If you act according to all rules you need a filming permit, but most people don't care
16:06 It's always good to end a video on a joke. ("arriving early" - lol).
Joke aside. Excelent video.
I only disagree with the topic of the foot rest - imo every seat (includin 2nd class) should have them.
Beautiful train. But why doesn't Siemens design an HSL train with level entry to the platform.
Cause then you need locomotives again and can't use powercase as they do in the newer ICE trains.
@@Sotha42only half of the cars are powered anyways, the other half you both be double decker and have level boarding...
We need night Highspeed trains where you can sleep like in China.
How many variants of the ICE 3 are there? And what about the ICE 4? They really though should raise the platforms to eliminate the steps
I think raising the platforms would require the Regional (RE and RB), which are commonly low floored trains (at least in NRW), to have a higher door, since most platforms are roughly at height for those doors.
@@zephyros256 It could be a problem if there is a platform change yes, but usually there are dedicated platforms designed for intercity trains. They are not as high as the floor of those trains though because some regional trains with higher floors (for example some double decker dostos) stop on them to. I dont know if that is the actual reason though. It seems like the actual one is that the defined max height of a platform here is 960mm which is too low to be level with ICEs floor height. Ive had some experiences of Bombardier Talent 2 stopping on ICE platforms and you needed to step up and out of the train while the other platforms are level with the Talent 2s floor. I also got into dostos on those platforms and its closer to their floor height than the normal, lower, regional train platforms
The whole platform thing is something we need to fix asap. Its crazy that our upper limit in allowed platform height isnt even high enough to ensure level boarding on ICE trains. Those platforms should get raised. ICEs can still have retractable stepping aids in case there is a platform change.
@@Guy-Zero This is not entirely correct. 76cm is a standard platform height even for regional trains in many parts of Germany (there are a few different platform heights in use for regional trains depending on the region of Germany, which admittedly sucks). And there are loads of stations where regional trains and intercity trains use the same platform. Separate high-level platforms for intercity trains is impossible, a majority of large city stations have a shortage of platforms already and not being able to use even 2 of them would mean regional services would have to be cut down significantly because of missing capacity. And in many stations the ICEs use way more than 2 platforms. This is also the reason why there exists no ICE to Britain via the Eurotunnel, because the passport checks would have to happen at the train station and the platform would have to be separated from the rest of the station, which is just not possible in Cologne, Frankfurt, etc. because of missing capacity.
Raising the platforms to ICE floor height (125cm) would make the platform unusable for all other trains, which would mean unacceptable capacity loss in already overcrowded stations. It's sad but it's reality.
@@lukasmaier8247 I only spoke from my experience. The train station I use nearly daily does it like that. Platforms 2+3 are higher and served by ICE, IC and RE services with dostos. Sometimes some RB lines with Talent 2s stop on those too which results in the platform being higher than the floor height of that train. Well, I more often experience misaligned heights than level boarding since I commute from a town to the city with the aforementioned platforms for intercity trains. Germany does have a lot of main stations which are already over capacity but we should look into stations were something like this might be possible. Maybe raising the floor height of regional trains might also be a solution. All of the equipment could be placed under the floor instead of on the roof. While it will make double decker emus easier it can also make it a bit harder to get to some components. I guess there are always some downsides. Personally I think we should standardize height to the height of ICEs because getting the floors of them lower will be quite a challenge for EMU ICEs. The equipment needs to stay under the floor for better handling (lower center of gravity) at those speeds as far as I know
@@Guy-ZeroYou might be comparing 55cm platfroms to 76cm ones. 96cm(the highes possible platformheight allowed) is only used for s-bahns. It would be ideal to have level boarding on ICE trains, but that would neccesitate a seperate network or a platform rebuilding for most rural stations. both not feasable. What would be possible is camel stations
what's the difference between the ICE 3Neo and Velaro D? Aren't they pretty much the same?
From the outside, yes. You can barely tell them apart. On the inside, it’s quite an upgrade.
Well I much prefer the older ones, they have compartment wagons, a bar wagon in addition to the restaurant one, and also the restaurant of the older ones have Much better seats in m opinion.
Putting reservations on the wall like British trains is a mistake in my book, as it makes it harder to reconfigure the seat layout. The ICE3 set-up with reservation screens on the seats themselves is much more flexible. If TPE had put the screens on the seats instead, they could sort out the terrible window alignment on the Nova3 sets.
According to this video, this seems the best high speed train in Europe, not the Frecciarossa 1000 (wich is very poor in my opinion).
Not every train provides mobile phone holders, bicycle racks, compartments for families with children and dadicated doors for disabled people including their own boarding ramps. This is how every train should be built in any civilised country!
What was the lanching date of this train
Dec 2022
how do you track the route?
How tall are you for leg room reference?
I disagree with the bike storage actually. Like not bringing your kitchen sink it is something you can acquire wherever you’re going. It is not much space to bring many bikes but when it’s busy it could be quite a couple extra people
I totally agree. It can also be complicated if the ICE3neo is replaced by an older model without bike racks on a short notice. This led to a delay of 20 mins once because the cyclists refused to leave the train and had to be removed by security.
The ICE service to Brussels and Netherlands
has in recent years suffered as the trains have
aged and sadly susceptible to breakdowns
and if they breakdown in Belgium (or the Netherlands)
getting it fixed is a big problem for DB.
On the route between Köln and Brussels
we have had cancelled trains
and then a change of station in Brussels
because of problems in the old rolling stock.
My favourite was coming back from Brussels
and having at Düren (between Aachen and Köln)
to swap trains
so the passengers on the ICE going to Brussels
got put on our train
and we got to use their train
Absolute bedlam on the island platform
as the trains were in the opposite direction to each other
and my handicapped partner and I just went
into an ordinary 2nd class carriage
which was not the best.
This was because they were short of international ICE stock.
I can gladly assure you that this ICE3neo is replacing the old stock in the end of the year as tests in Belgien and Netherlands are performed since a while.
I would prefer riding ICE instead of Thalys due to the shockingly cramped interior in Thalys.
@@InTeCredo Thalys is a joke. No luggage space and seats are very cramped
@@InTeCredo
I too prefer riding ICE to Thalys but because I travel with a disabled person delays and breakdowns are a problem. I am glad that the international fleet is being replaced.
I also had to do this
Maybe we were at the same train
When did ICE 3 neo debut?
December 2022
I've only travelled by ICE once. I think it was a model 4. The seats were absolutely terrible; the lower back support was too low, just above the pelvis. They actually hurt to sit in.
I have literally never experienced worse seats on any train, and that includes historic trains with wooden benches.
Yeah the ice 4 isn‘t that well liked and I‘m glad they went back to the roots and focus on the ice 3 design. I like the wooden interior, comfortable seats and the max speed of up to 300km/h unlike the slow 265km/h ice 4
I've seen the first ICE replicas in China so i always relate them with China instead of Germany.
Regarding the power socket vs. USB sockets - I’m in favour of power sockets for the following reasons:
-there’s still lots of people with older phones who use USB-A connectors. USB-C isn’t something everyone has yet. But everyone has a power brick that accommodates their cable type.
-people don’t just want to charge their phones, I see lots of people working on their laptops as well. Many of them require a full power socket and not just a tiny USB-C power socket (at least, if they don’t use a MacBook).
I think it’s way more inclusive to use a European power socket. I know Brits use other power sockets, but in my opinion, if you go to a different country, you should take an adapter with you. This whole situation with so many countries using different power sockets is very ridiculous and infuriating, but I really don’t see any other solution. If I remember correctly, you can buy adapters at some airports and trainstations.
USB doesnt have to and most likely wont replace the EU power sockets, its supposed to be an added feature. Same as you can see with modern power sockets for your home, which offer the USB in the corners of the power socket enclosure for example.
USB plugs are a security issue so I'm glad that there non
Why should it be one?
@@lucas.9718 because you can potentially read out the data from every device that's connected to it.
Yeah, there's a reason why we don't have USB plugs in people's homes, not directly at least
@@TheKartoffel101 yeah I get that one but I always thought they are just electrically powered and can't send or receive data.
But USB isn't exactly what I do for a living so I might be wrong.
@@jan-lukas it's the same as wifi. It's safe as long as you know and trust the people who are using it.
Why do you call the Koln-Frankfurt line a "roller coaster"? Does it make you dizzy? Nauseous?
its a nickname form train nerds because of the high slopes on the line only a few trainsets are allowed on it
It has 4% grades and curve radii of only 3400m, both the absolute maximum/minimum allowed, it's the steepest HSR line in the world afaik. Anything else would've required significantly more tunnels and if you can save on those you usually win.
When possible, grades that are less steep are used to ensure all ICE sets can use the line (ICE 1 and 2 are not allowed or able to go on this line), sometimes even freight traffic during the night is allowed.
In recent years, Deutsche Bahn has waived to drive with their high speed trains as fast as possible (depending on train and track) for energy consumption reasons. As a conswquence, if there is a delay, they may compensate it by moderate speeding as in this video. IMO, this strategy should be applied more often to optimize real travel times, even if they are a little bit longer according to schedule.
Traveltime padding consisting of driving slower than the speedlimit is observed, enabling the train to catch up if late, but slowing down trips.
@@Loanshark753 As the train is not driving with maximum speed, it can compensate some delay. However, lately in Germany the delays are to big for compensation. The large number of trains share the rail network using a complicated time schedule which is sensitive to small disturbances. There are also many construction sites because the netwqrk has been neglected for 20 years.
@@Loanshark753Think my country's subway/metro also used to practice such timetable padding back when trains used fixed-block ATC signalling, in case of delays e.g. doors left open for longer @ a station due to more people boarding last min, or if trains have to be manually braked when entering stations during rain (because the ATC wasn't advanced enough to adapt to the more slippery rails when raining). Now that we've upgraded to CBTC moving block signalling, its smart enough to adjust trains' braking accordingly when raining, & doors are also programmed to auto-close at stations at fixed time stamps on the train's timetable, that padding has been removed & trains now go full speed in-between stations (unless there's another train nearby). Looks like padding has been instead added to trains' dwell times @ stations instead though, with older trains that brake slower at stations leaving their doors open for shorter durations than newer trains that brake faster. I guess if its raining & trains brake slower as a result, the doors are also opened for a shorter duration bef closing, but otherwise, if its not raining & the train brakes faster into stations, it now seems that trains leave their doors open for longer as compared to bef the signalling upgrade
Only if they can operate on time 😂
408 has 73 ordered
DB ordered a further 17 in May, bringing the total to 90 - hope that clarifies!
Looks a lot like the Eurostar lol
Since they are all Siemens Velaro trains, based on the original ICE 3 model.
Modern and Well designend but Infrastructure isn't
do you know that ice 3 neo is not the newest highspeed train in germany? :D
It is. You are confusing the ICE3neo with the ICE3 Velaro D, which was built between 2009 and 2012. These trains however are in service since December 2022.
Recently back from a trip to Germany and agree with the DB late train phenomenon - but in my case it was half and hour to over and hour late. The sample size was 10 high speed trains during a week of travel from Frankfurt to Munch via Wurzburg, Nuremberg, Regensburg and all points in between. The worst part was the seriously delayed trains where you were originally supposed to depart platform 4, then you have to move to platform 8 before "surprise" your train that is now an hour late is departing from platform 2 so move your fat ass and bags to that platform otherwise you'll be spending an extra night in Wurzburg, Nuremberg, Regensburg.
TLDR, in a week of ICE train journeys not one single freaking train was on time . . . but the hour plus delays were a major pain as it totally throws your plans out of kilter - instead of arriving into the next city at 7pm and dropping your bags to the hotel before heading out to get a drink and bit to eat you're now arriving at 9pm and you arrive into the centre at 10pm and everything's closed.
Why DB, why?
They won’t build dedicated express tracks in the cities sharing tracks with local trains is a bad idea.
@@qjtvaddictit's not "they", the DB. It's politicians and NIMBYs. When what feels like half of your government is sponsored by the car lobby over and over again then you won't get reliable trains, and also every stupid person living remotely close to anything that's being built can go to court over the issue...
Don’t ask DB, ask the politicians who refused to invest in rail infrastructure for decades.
Face‥‥ design‥oh my
Buys a second class ticket, sits down in first class.
Train is new, seats haven't changed a bit... Coat hangers and smartphone holders are just goodies, nothing really new.
Why do you want USB ports
Who does not have a Brick for their phone with them?
...absolutely NOTHING: At least 3 wagon-connections have only single doors instead of double. Some wagon connections have no toilets or single instead of double and the same applies for the wagon garbage-bins! The train is not as big of an upgrade against the ICE 4 (room arrangement; telematic; connectivity and digital displays) and against some older ICEs (3 and downwards) both 3n and the 4 feel like a downlgrade due to some "space savings"....
I think the 3neo doesn't really improve much on the main passenger experience problems of the older ICEs... They still lack level boarding and the ability for wheelchair users to board without assistance, in general the boarding is still slow due to the large step up and the confined space around the vestibule areas, and a lot of nice stuff like seating compartments that existed on the ICE 1/2 are being stripped out. They are still comfortable trains to ride in but previous ICEs already set that bar very high. And even if they end up being far more reliable than the ICE3Ms, they won't singlehandedly fix DBs horrible timeliness.
They won't fix that problem on their own BUT they will be a major part of fixing it step by step. Reliable and fast trains can actually increase punctuality by large margins because they can stop the small delays of a few minutes in the first place that would otherwise snowball to much longer delays.
The lacking level boarding is one of the biggest problems with all ICE trains
Germany Have Some Nice Train's 👍
I don't entirely agree that the ICE3neo is the best train on Deutsche Bahn. Like all ICEs in Germany, the ICE3neo has steps and is therefore not 100% barrier-free. Although there is an "on-board lift", this can only be operated by trained staff and as a wheelchair user you are obliged to register the trip accordingly. So Deutsche Bahn continues to actively discriminate against people with disabilities and wheelchair users. It may be one of the best trains for people without disabilities, but anyone who is dependent on a wheelchair experiences terrible, discriminatory and sometimes insulting situations at DB again and again and that should be taken into account in such "reviews" in future. We should all start thinking outside the box and see what's on our left and what's on our right.
you forgot they still travel on the German Railways so they are still shit. i was on one early december and both journeys got delayed or cancelled
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
No hyperloop its ould
Its BS ! China is making better High speed Trains. In Germany trains cannot go at sustained high speed for long distances, as there are not enough straight lines. In France they do achieve it. And I do not like the shape of these German trains, nor the French ones. They are not aerodynamic enough.
Someone got triggered, yes?
China literally also is operating ICEs next to other trains... so I doubt their own trains are "better", instead of "different".
And of course the ICEs can go at high speed for long distances, because otherwise a regular train would be able to do the same job just fine... instead of paying for expensive fast trains.
There's a difference between the trains and the system. German high speed trains only have one problem being the missing level boarding. The system however sucks, we have less rail kilometers per person than the US (7th densest network in the world though), only few actual HSR lines, many delays in long distance trains (only few in regional trains).
But this comment sounds as if the HSR lines themselves aren't good enough which is not true. While they're not very straight (which massively reduces costs because fewer tunnels and bridges are needed) they do enable speeds of 250-300km/h depending on the length and age of the route.
Some HSR lines like the recently opened Wendlingen-Ulm line are just to short for 300km/h, doing that would've cost more, but it's only a few minutes (like less than 5) faster, I don't remember the exact amount.
Also Germany is a) much denser than most countries, including china, which makes building rail much harder as you have to dodge cities, and b) actually protects human rights, in contrast to china, so the state cannot just take your property away for no reason. It can be done, but it always results in court cases which are too long to reliably do when planning infrastructure
@@jan-lukas - Nonsense about the human rights... as if Europe has a clean record of human rights during colonialism, WW2 and Imperial wars since 1950s ! Utter nonsense. I have sat on the HSR in Germany, the ICE 3, the average speed was about 125 kmph , the 300 kmph was maintained only for less than 10% of the time, depending on the straight lines. In China they are covering 1200 KMs in 3.5 hours, average speed of about 320 kmph, max of 350 kmph ! Simply incredible. Even Japan has very highly dense towns and cities, yet they have a very good HSR system across Japan !
@@artus198 When your argument is whataboutism and you have to go back in history, you should realise that the original argument is a very valid point.
take the meds
The best train for the worst railway company 😂
DB ist the worst company ever. All trains are always late or canceled. Don't take trains in Germany!
Very ugly interior looks like slow trains in Spain back to the years 2000
Freeking Germany cool place.
Beste Bahn auf maroden Gleisen, meistens zu spät, schmutzige Toiletten und falsche Ansagen, gute Fahrt